1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Very so for senior political correspondence with us. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 2: Hey, Barry, Good afternoon, Heather. 3 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 3: She's the Obamas have got star power. Well, I say 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 3: the Obamas. But he's writing on her coattails, isn't he? Oh, 5 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 3: she has got star power. 6 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: Certainly was tonight in Chicago. There's no doubt about it. 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: It's their hometown, of course. And you know, talk in 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: the past has been about Michelle Obama maybe becoming a 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: nominee for the president's job. I'll tell you what. I 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: was watching her today. I'd love to have been there 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: because the crowd went wild, much more enthusiastic, i've got 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: to say, for her than they were for Barrick. But nevertheless, 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: it was very entertaining. She was first up wooing what 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: is a massive crowd before introducing her husband, as if 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: he needed any introduction. Here they are. 16 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 4: For years, Donald Trump did everything in his power to 17 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 4: try to make people fear us. See his limited, narrow 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 4: view of the world made him feel threatened by the 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 4: existence of too hard work and high educated, successful people 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 4: who happen to be black. I want to know, I 21 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 4: want to know who's gonna tell him that the job 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 4: he's currently seeking might just be one of those black jobs, 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 4: the same old Cohn doubling down on ugly, misogynistic races 24 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 4: lives as a substitute for real ideas and solutions that 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: will actually make people's lives better. 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 5: I don't know. 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 6: About you, but I'm feeling fired up. This will still 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 6: be a tight race in a closely divided country. Here's 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 6: a seventy eight year old billionaire who has not stopped 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 6: whining about his problems since he wrote down his Golden 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 6: Escalator nine years ago. It has been a constant stream 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 6: of gripes and grievances that's actually been getting worse now 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 6: that he's afraid of losing the common. 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: So it was great stuff. It was great oratory, It 35 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: was pure showmanship, was just most Certainly, then don't forget 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: that Trump question whether Barack Obama was legitimate and running 37 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: for president, that he said is lineage. He put a 38 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: question over that. So they are no friends, I no 39 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: doubt about that, And both of them obviously feel quite aggrieved. 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: Barry, do you get the feeling Winston is wabbling a 41 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: little bit on the Treaty Principal's bill. 42 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. You only had to listen 43 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: to him in the House this afternoon. Now, Christopher Luxon, 44 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: he took the White Tongui Tribunal to task recently forgetting 45 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: ahead of themselves attacking the bill before it's even been written. 46 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: He of course could attract the same criticism for opposing 47 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: the bill pass its first reading, given that he hasn't 48 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: seen it himself either. But Winston Peters, standing in for 49 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister at question time in Parliament today, indicated 50 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: that the implacable opposition to allowing the Treaty Principle's Bill 51 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: to proceed past its first reading may not be as 52 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: hard and fast as has been stayed to ever. 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 5: Listen, I think one is entitled to believe that, despite 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 5: all of the previous statements, that if there was prevailing 55 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 5: compelling evidence to change one's mind, as a fantasy economists 56 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 5: once said, when the facts change, I changed my mind. 57 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 5: What do you do? So is the Prime Minister indicating, 58 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 5: as he seems to have in his last answer, that 59 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 5: he's open to changing his mind on the second reading 60 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 5: of the Treaty Principal's Bill. What I was and unsating 61 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 5: is what the Prime Minister said in the Coalition agreement, 62 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 5: as did we. But I did offer the opinion that 63 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 5: sometimes and I don't think will happen this case. Of course, obviously, 64 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 5: sometimes you do have a fan hope that others might 65 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 5: have it right. 66 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: So there you go, I mean, in not as hard 67 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: and fast. You remember, it wasn't Winston Peters that spoke 68 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: at the King's Coronation commemoration the other day, Shane. It 69 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: was Shane Jones. And I can't. 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: Imagine that Shane would have done it without Winston's blessing. 71 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: No, well, they're sitting right beside Winston Peters. But you know, 72 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: who knows what this bill is going to look like 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: when it finally emerges in November. They have painted themselves 74 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: into a corner. And you know one thing that David 75 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: Seymour is he shrewd and he'll know how to write 76 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: something that could maybe appease not just the general public 77 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: but the political opportunists in both parties. 78 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: What's Nicole McKee said in her defense? 79 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: Oh well, I think you know what she has said 80 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: is purely I mean, she many have seen a poacher 81 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: turned gamekeeper, given that she was a lobbyist, a gun lobbyist. 82 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: But the point that she made was that more people 83 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: were convicted of firearm related offenses in twenty twenty three, 84 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: last year than in twenty nineteen was up eighteen percent. 85 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: And you know this government came in, it gave you'll 86 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 2: remember that changed the Arms Act. In fact, they gave 87 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: submitters three days to make submissions and then changed the 88 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: Arms Act outlawing certain armaments. The point that Nicole McKee 89 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: makes is that don't go after the legitimate firearms owners, 90 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: go after the gangs and those who cause trouble in 91 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: the community. And we've got one mad Australian come into 92 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: the country, caused havoc and the whole country has to change. 93 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: Barry, thank you appreciated this very Soper Senior political correspondence. 94 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 6: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 95 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:37,119 Speaker 6: News Talks. 96 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 5: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 97 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 5: on iHeartRadio.