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Speaker 2: First Deputy Leader and Minister Shane Jones is called for

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Speaker 2: severe jail terms the owners of dogs that have become aggressive,

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Speaker 2: and Shane Jones joins us on the line. Now, Minister,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Hey, goody folks.

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Speaker 4: How bad is the feral dog situation in Northland?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the third person that I certainly know

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Speaker 3: has died. There's a variety of other individuals Faro who

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Speaker 3: have been severely mauled and injured by these dogs. But

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Speaker 3: we're not talking about the real problem here. Here. The

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Speaker 3: dogs are lethal, the dogs are homicidal, But what's really

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Speaker 3: feral is the character of the owners and those of

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Speaker 3: us who have to put up with this devastative behavior

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Speaker 3: from them. Grossly anti social. We should be putting the

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Speaker 3: acid back on them. No tolerance. I mean, seriously, kiwis

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Speaker 3: what else do we need to happen before we as

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Speaker 3: a community, quite apart from the politicians, move in and

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Speaker 3: do what my dad and them used to do. Innui,

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Speaker 3: If you had a stray, they're all dog it got shot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what punishments are available to authorities now for owners

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Speaker 4: of dogs that attack people.

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Speaker 3: Well, you would know that the SPCA has a range

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Speaker 3: of powers and they do take people to the court

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Speaker 3: where there's reckless cases of endangement of animals and other

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Speaker 3: very sort of nasty things that are done to animals,

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Speaker 3: and occasionally people get sent down to the LFI prison.

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Speaker 3: But it's apparent to me the culture, the cultural mindset

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Speaker 3: of a lot of these owners and they're not all

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Speaker 3: gang members, but sadly a host of them are. They

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Speaker 3: refuse to accept any obligation to change either their personal

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Speaker 3: habits or indeed the habits of their dogs, and it's

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Speaker 3: their right they believe to impose all of these negative

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Speaker 3: effects on the community. I mean, let's look at what's

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Speaker 3: been in the media. These dogs have been well known

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Speaker 3: about in that community. They've been scaring people, they've been

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Speaker 3: chasing people. Mate, when I was in Awunui, if my

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Speaker 3: father in his generation saw dog do that to the

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Speaker 3: tarmoniki or the young people, that dog would be dead

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Speaker 3: the next days.

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Speaker 4: That causes problems, though, isn't it could? I mean, you

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Speaker 4: can't be suggesting that people get someone's yard, can you?

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Speaker 3: Well, if you find a dog is pursuing stock, even

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Speaker 3: to the state of my arm it's outside right to

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Speaker 3: put their dog down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what do you do about those gumbag owners? Minister?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, do your ban people from owning dogs if

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Speaker 2: they can't actually do what's needed to be a responsible

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Speaker 2: dog owner. How do you stop gang members from doing

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Speaker 2: the backyard breeding and it's not just gang members, it's

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Speaker 2: up and down the country. How do you she have

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Speaker 2: teeth and legislation to combat that.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty simple in my view that there should

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Speaker 3: be a level of moral fitness in terms of people

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Speaker 3: who are now the putative owners of these dangerous dog breeds.

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Speaker 3: There are individuals who, for example, are never allowed to

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Speaker 3: drive cars if they're recidibus drugs. So we need to

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Speaker 3: consider a whole host of penalties that are not necessarily

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Speaker 3: directed to garden variety. Kiwis love who love their animals,

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Speaker 3: who are devoted to their animals, But these people devoted

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Speaker 3: to themselves and they're destructive, dangerous, murderous ways of life.

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Speaker 4: We were just talking to Dr Vaughan from their SPCA

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Speaker 4: and she was saying a lot of these problems happen

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Speaker 4: in lower socioeconomic areas, and there was some suggestion that

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Speaker 4: the government should be paying for desexing of potentially dangerous dogs.

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Speaker 4: Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 3: So some kind of transgenderism and dogs? Is that what

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Speaker 3: you're telling you about?

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Speaker 2: That is twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 1: Minister, Come on.

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Speaker 3: Bro Okay, if a vet says that dogs might be

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Speaker 3: safer if they go through some some yeah, but look,

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Speaker 3: I'm from New Zealand. First, we're not We're not into that.

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Speaker 3: But if you're asking me, should we explore all options

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Speaker 3: and put you know that are pushed by vets and experts? Okay,

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Speaker 3: but quite frankly, these dogs I encounter in are not

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Speaker 3: not always areas that are so so so you a

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Speaker 3: low socio economic but if you're going to own an

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Speaker 3: animal and it's not registered and it is dangerous, then sorry,

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Speaker 3: then animal is removed and if it cannot find a

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Speaker 3: good home, then just as we euthanize people now there

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Speaker 3: in their in their old age. Not that I ever

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Speaker 3: voted for the euthanasia bill, We're going to need a

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Speaker 3: certain category, it would seem to me, the youth in

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Speaker 3: these animals.

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Speaker 4: So if a dog attacks and kills a person, should

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Speaker 4: the owner be tried in the same way as someone

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Speaker 4: who has attacked a person with a weapon.

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Speaker 3: Of course, if your level of negligence as such that

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Speaker 3: someone has died, then there's you sorry, You're going to

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Speaker 3: face the consequences. I mean, unless there's some clear boundaries,

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Speaker 3: then how are you going to uphold a sense of

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Speaker 3: empowerment in the community. I mean, people do get frightened

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Speaker 3: of feral neighbors who don't accept their obligations in terms

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Speaker 3: of being a good neighbor. And if they've got dogs

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Speaker 3: and they're using the dogs as some sort of weapon,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is awful for the animal, but it's

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Speaker 3: a side bloody worse mate for the person on the

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Speaker 3: receiving end of a Marling.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're getting a lot of support on the text, Minister,

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Speaker 2: and it's fired up the phone lines, which is what

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Speaker 2: we always want. But really appreciate your time this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, buddy bo.

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Speaker 2: That is Minister Shane Jones, who has called for severe

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Speaker 2: jail terms and an overhauling of our dog control laws.

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