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Speaker 1: Ay, good afternoon. The government's release it's next to do list.

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Speaker 1: This is the action plan for Q three and a

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Speaker 1: significant feature is law and order, including passing a Lord

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Speaker 1: of how police crack down on gangs, a Lord of

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Speaker 1: Tough and sentencing, and also launching the boot Camps pilot.

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Speaker 1: The Justice Minister is Paul Goldsmith.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Paul good, Hey, there you going very well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you. How much of the forty things on the

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Speaker 1: list are actually going to be done by the end

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Speaker 1: of Q three.

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Speaker 2: Well, a number of things are passing. The legislation that

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Speaker 2: we're working our way through now. Everybody's sort of impatient.

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Speaker 2: They want the police to have the extra power to

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Speaker 2: deal with gangs, that they want to deal with the

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Speaker 2: firearms control. But we do have to pass the legislation

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Speaker 2: and it's important that to go through the selectmmittee process,

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Speaker 2: people have a chance to talk about it and make

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Speaker 2: sure that we've got everything right. But a number of

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Speaker 2: those pieces of legislation will pass in the third quarter

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Speaker 2: and then they'll be implemented before the end of the

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking at.

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Speaker 1: Things that just having a look at it first blush,

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Speaker 1: look like they're actually going to be past. It's one

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Speaker 1: two three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine. Is that

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Speaker 1: about right? Nine out of forty?

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Speaker 2: Well, in terms of the list of forty, I just

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Speaker 2: haven't got that list in front of me. But yes,

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Speaker 2: I mean we're getting through a lot of work. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: it's a very busy government.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, is it. Did you manage to finish everything

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Speaker 1: on the list for Q two? Because I can see

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Speaker 1: three things that are not finished?

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Speaker 2: Well, look useful. I mean not everything has been announced,

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Speaker 2: but we've made decisions and I think just about every

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Speaker 2: area we got through everything in the first quarter. And

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Speaker 2: look the Prime Minister, he cracks the whip. There's no

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Speaker 2: question about that. He's very determined to focus that we

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Speaker 2: get things done, and he set a high sort of

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Speaker 2: threshold and we go as fast as we can, always

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Speaker 2: sort of balancing the need, as I say, to go

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Speaker 2: with speed, but also to have enough time for people

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Speaker 2: to have a say on important legislation. And of course

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Speaker 2: you don't want to be coming back and having to

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Speaker 2: fix thing. So you didn't quite get it right because

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Speaker 2: you were rushing. So there's always a tension that we've got.

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Speaker 1: So one of the three things that you don't seem

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Speaker 1: to have done with the last list was to commission

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Speaker 1: the study into Marsden Point Oil Refiner around whether it

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Speaker 1: to reopen it or not. Why not?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, there will be something that Shane Jones is

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Speaker 2: working his way through and I don't have any particular

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Speaker 2: insight into that. Yes, so yep, Well, I think people

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Speaker 2: will be pleased that we're actually making progress on the

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Speaker 2: very big things, which is restoring law and orders right

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Speaker 2: off the top.

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Speaker 1: I'm only asking you because that one seems easy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you disappoint some people to do the study.

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Speaker 2: Don't you. Well, there may be there's probably a very

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Speaker 2: good reason, but I don't have it on me at

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Speaker 2: the moment.

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Speaker 1: Now, as the Justice Minister, are you prepared to beef

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Speaker 1: up year three strikes law?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I look that the basic engine there and

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Speaker 2: Nicole McKee, my colleague, is shippening this through. The basic

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Speaker 2: tension is that you can go absolutely hard out but

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Speaker 2: you face the reality that Heaven forbidden twelve years time

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Speaker 2: when we get trying out at the next election, the

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Speaker 2: next government will sort of overturn it in your back.

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Speaker 1: Come on, and you're not using that lame argument for

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Speaker 1: anything else that you're doing. The fact of the matter

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Speaker 1: is you guys are going to get absolute pressure from people.

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Speaker 1: When people start a cotton on on how watered down

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Speaker 1: this is, you're going to get a lot of emails.

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Speaker 2: Very cross. I don't agree. It's just ensuring all the

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Speaker 2: only different fundamental difference is ensuring that strike offenses are

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Speaker 2: for offenses when people have actually been imprisoned for twenty

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Speaker 2: four months. And you know the whole purpose of it

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Speaker 2: is to keep our worst repeat offenders off the street

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Speaker 2: for longer so that they can harm New Zealanders. And

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Speaker 2: I think that that threshold at twenty four months is

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Speaker 2: ready to take in.

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Speaker 1: Are you prepared to beef it up there? Are you

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Speaker 1: open minded?

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, that's why we're having a select committee process,

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Speaker 2: and so people can have an argument. It could be

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Speaker 2: eighteen months or it could be twenty four. Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're not completely closed minded on these things. But I

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Speaker 2: think it does need to be a higher threshold than

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Speaker 2: it had in the passed in the first iteration, if

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Speaker 2: only to increase the chances that we get some measure

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Speaker 2: of bipartisan support for this and so we can have

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Speaker 2: a more I think that's the broad issue, is to

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Speaker 2: try and improve our chances of having something that can last,

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Speaker 2: you know, last over cross government, which we failed without

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Speaker 2: last time around. That's why it's important to have this discussion.

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Speaker 1: Paul, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: As Paul Goldsmith, the Justice Minister. For more from Hither

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