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Speaker 1: Now, primate expert and environmentalist Jane Goodle has died at

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Speaker 1: the age of ninety one. She was a pioneer and

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Speaker 1: primate research and science who redefined how we understand chimpanzees.

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Speaker 1: Karen Fifield is the CEO of Wellington Zoo and with

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Speaker 1: us now, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Karen, Cira, Heather, how are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, thank you? Do you reckon that her

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Speaker 1: research has been instrumental in changing the way that we

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Speaker 1: understand the chimps.

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Speaker 2: I think her research was definitely part of changing the

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Speaker 2: way we see chimps and all animals really around sentience

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Speaker 2: and around what animals think and feel and how we

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Speaker 2: can actually make their lives better and be part of

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Speaker 2: that journey towards better science.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you ever see her speaking?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've known Jane since nineteen ninety eight and a

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Speaker 2: few times she's been to Wellington Zoo as well, and

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Speaker 2: so I had the honor and privilege of actually interviewing

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Speaker 2: her last year and when she was in Wellington at

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Speaker 2: the Opera House, and it was actually one of the

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Speaker 2: honors of my life, I must say, to share the

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Speaker 2: stage with someone as wonderful as Jane, and we had

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Speaker 2: a lovely chat to a packed audience in Wellington and

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Speaker 2: you could just see people just honoring this amazing woman

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Speaker 2: who had done so much for people, animals and the planet.

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Speaker 1: So totally different fields, but someone has compared her work

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Speaker 1: to Einstein's in terms of how importance it is important

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Speaker 1: it is? What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it was groundbreaking and she was a

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Speaker 2: true trailblazer and she was brave and bold and did

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Speaker 2: things that people said she could never do and she

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Speaker 2: went and did it. And she you know, she's the

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Speaker 2: first to say she said, I just did it. And

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Speaker 2: she was just incredibly brave out in the wilds of

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Speaker 2: Africa with her mother doing this work with chimpanzees, and

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Speaker 2: obviously Lewis Leakey having that trust in her to send

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Speaker 2: her out to do this work was incredible as well.

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Speaker 2: But it was groundbreaking. The fact that we understood was

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Speaker 2: she understood first of all, that chimpanzees used tools, did

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Speaker 2: many things that humans do, and we know that chimpanzees

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Speaker 2: grieve and have expressions of love and all of those

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Speaker 2: things that we have as well. And that really came

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Speaker 2: from Jane opening our eyes to what was happening with

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Speaker 2: chimpanzees in the wild.

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Speaker 1: Hey, it's really good to talk to you, Karen. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time. That's Karen Fifield, Wellington

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