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Speaker 1: Jevin mcskimming has faced this punishment in court. He was

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Speaker 1: sentenced to nine months home detention. His replacement has also

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Speaker 1: been announced. It's Mike Pennett, who's now the Deputy Commissioner,

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Speaker 1: who was most notably the National Commander during the twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen christ Church terror attack response, and he's with us Morning.

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Speaker 2: Mike, Good morning, Heather, Mike.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people were surprised what with what we

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Speaker 1: would consider to be a fairly light sentence handed down

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Speaker 1: to mc skimming yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Will you that's a matter for the courts, Heather, And

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Speaker 2: you know it's very much with the courts to determine

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Speaker 2: without knowing any other detail.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible that the courts and the

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Speaker 1: public have parted ways on what we consider to be

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Speaker 1: appropriate punishments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Once again, either it's one that probably on better

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Speaker 2: not to comment on and something for the judiciary and

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Speaker 2: the public sview.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, Mike, that you guys have got your

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Speaker 1: hands I mean, coming into the job, do you feel

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Speaker 1: like you've got your work cut out for you with

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Speaker 1: all of the stuff that's going on at the moment reputationally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and looking that that was part of taking the

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Speaker 2: role on. There's some big challenges ahead of us, and

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Speaker 2: policing is even more complex and dynamic than it has

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Speaker 2: been in the past. I'm up for that challenge. But

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Speaker 2: the commitment to work with the Commissioner in over fifteen

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Speaker 2: thousand of our staff is really important.

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon's the biggest problem facing us crime

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Speaker 1: wise in the country.

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Speaker 2: I think crime wise is actually the influence of transnational

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Speaker 2: organized crime, but how it radiates outwards into organized crime

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Speaker 2: that are affecting so many different areas of the country

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Speaker 2: in often innocuous ways. But for the likes of cyber fraud,

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Speaker 2: just how it impacts it right across the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I see that in Australia they are talking now.

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Speaker 1: This isn't the wake of BONDI they're talking now about

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Speaker 1: putting the kibosh on any kind of protests, you know,

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Speaker 1: Palestinian related protests. Would we take a similar.

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Speaker 2: Approach, Well, that's very much a matter for the government.

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Speaker 2: But New Zealanders a very open and transparent society, and

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Speaker 2: I think that society I would want to keep those values,

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Speaker 2: the ability of free speech, and I think that's supportant

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Speaker 2: for US as a country.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mike. You look after yourself and enjoy the job.

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Speaker 1: That's Mike Pennett, Deputy Police Commissioner. For more from the

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