1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,972 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk zed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: Follow this and our Wide Ranger podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,653 --> 00:00:18,533 Speaker 2: So this week in ki we sports fans face a 4 00:00:18,653 --> 00:00:21,293 Speaker 2: tough choice. The Warrior is Nral final kicks off at 5 00:00:21,293 --> 00:00:24,012 Speaker 2: six five on Saturday, just an hour before the AB's 6 00:00:24,053 --> 00:00:26,853 Speaker 2: take on the spring Box. Two big games, one night 7 00:00:26,973 --> 00:00:29,773 Speaker 2: and limited screens. Joining us to break it all down 8 00:00:29,773 --> 00:00:32,452 Speaker 2: and where our loyalties may lie is All Blacks Legends, 9 00:00:32,453 --> 00:00:34,893 Speaker 2: Sir John Kerr and JK? How are you? 10 00:00:36,213 --> 00:00:38,373 Speaker 3: What about the scheduling, mate? Someone needs to chat to 11 00:00:38,453 --> 00:00:41,092 Speaker 3: the c NRL and telling them to sort of stuff 12 00:00:41,132 --> 00:00:43,933 Speaker 3: out too, right, mate? We want to watch both. 13 00:00:44,132 --> 00:00:46,572 Speaker 4: It's going to be causing a lot of arguments with 14 00:00:46,613 --> 00:00:49,573 Speaker 4: the remote control across the country and there's probably gonna 15 00:00:49,573 --> 00:00:51,373 Speaker 4: be some dust ups and bars when people try and 16 00:00:51,412 --> 00:00:53,933 Speaker 4: turn off the was now. 17 00:00:54,013 --> 00:00:56,653 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've installed two TVs, so I'm all good. 18 00:00:58,893 --> 00:00:59,373 Speaker 1: Now, JK. 19 00:00:59,493 --> 00:01:03,093 Speaker 4: The win last week was obviously incredibly emotional and epic 20 00:01:03,093 --> 00:01:05,093 Speaker 4: and historic. But do you think the All Blacks were 21 00:01:05,093 --> 00:01:07,053 Speaker 4: impressive or a bit lucky at Edenbark? 22 00:01:08,493 --> 00:01:11,613 Speaker 3: Not incredibly impressive. I was really really happy with last week. 23 00:01:11,653 --> 00:01:14,732 Speaker 3: I thought it was outstanding and I was happy because 24 00:01:14,733 --> 00:01:17,853 Speaker 3: I thought our young guys stood up physically. I mean, 25 00:01:17,893 --> 00:01:21,133 Speaker 3: to play South Africa, you know, it takes you an 26 00:01:21,133 --> 00:01:23,813 Speaker 3: extra two days to recover. They are just brutal in 27 00:01:23,853 --> 00:01:27,973 Speaker 3: the contact and I felt especially and so if you 28 00:01:27,973 --> 00:01:32,613 Speaker 3: start winning those confrontations at the contact point, then you 29 00:01:32,652 --> 00:01:35,173 Speaker 3: can get your line speed up and so you can't 30 00:01:35,212 --> 00:01:37,413 Speaker 3: let them, you know, getting half a yard through you 31 00:01:38,173 --> 00:01:40,253 Speaker 3: through your sort of contact line. And I thought our 32 00:01:40,292 --> 00:01:42,853 Speaker 3: young guys really stood up physically. I thought the selection, 33 00:01:43,652 --> 00:01:47,613 Speaker 3: you know, to Pauv, I thought was outstanding, a message, 34 00:01:47,733 --> 00:01:50,253 Speaker 3: probably a subtle message to the coaches to say I 35 00:01:50,253 --> 00:01:52,573 Speaker 3: want to play Lock, you know, because been playing pretty 36 00:01:52,613 --> 00:01:55,613 Speaker 3: good at Sex. But at Lock he was great and 37 00:01:55,653 --> 00:01:58,413 Speaker 3: he's actually a line out caller. But I thought his 38 00:01:58,533 --> 00:02:02,893 Speaker 3: physicality and some of the young guys I thought was 39 00:02:02,933 --> 00:02:04,693 Speaker 3: just really really good. So I thought it was a 40 00:02:04,733 --> 00:02:08,053 Speaker 3: really good win. Like I think for me. So we 41 00:02:08,093 --> 00:02:10,773 Speaker 3: lost a couple of critical moments last year when we 42 00:02:10,813 --> 00:02:15,293 Speaker 3: played them in South Africa, and you know, we were 43 00:02:15,413 --> 00:02:19,613 Speaker 3: really dominant for sixty minutes, I felt. And then to 44 00:02:19,653 --> 00:02:21,773 Speaker 3: win that test, I think we'll give them confidence to 45 00:02:21,853 --> 00:02:22,692 Speaker 3: kick on a bit more. 46 00:02:24,532 --> 00:02:28,173 Speaker 4: So Eden Park as obviously as was much hyped last 47 00:02:28,173 --> 00:02:30,693 Speaker 4: week as you know as the All Blacks fortress. The 48 00:02:30,813 --> 00:02:33,692 Speaker 4: cake tin for anything is the opposite of a fortress, 49 00:02:33,733 --> 00:02:35,852 Speaker 4: whatever that is for the All Blacks. Do you think 50 00:02:35,972 --> 00:02:38,133 Speaker 4: do you think the venue will come into play this weekend? 51 00:02:39,173 --> 00:02:42,373 Speaker 3: No, not at all. I think you know, for me 52 00:02:43,453 --> 00:02:46,573 Speaker 3: to win a World Cup, I always you know, people say, oh, 53 00:02:47,093 --> 00:02:49,253 Speaker 3: we're still a few years out, but I think there's 54 00:02:49,293 --> 00:02:52,453 Speaker 3: critical wins that you need to do, critical things on 55 00:02:52,493 --> 00:02:56,533 Speaker 3: the way to building the confidence with the team to 56 00:02:56,613 --> 00:02:59,293 Speaker 3: win the type moment. So for me, I feel this 57 00:02:59,333 --> 00:03:03,813 Speaker 3: week is probably more important from an overall confidence of 58 00:03:03,853 --> 00:03:08,173 Speaker 3: our squad understanding that we can beat the world champion. 59 00:03:09,252 --> 00:03:11,693 Speaker 3: So for me it's a really big win. I don't 60 00:03:11,733 --> 00:03:14,773 Speaker 3: think that you know that it's hard to play in 61 00:03:14,773 --> 00:03:16,813 Speaker 3: Wennington sometimes because of the weather you don't can get 62 00:03:16,813 --> 00:03:19,213 Speaker 3: a bit swirly and it's a bit difficult, But I 63 00:03:19,213 --> 00:03:21,933 Speaker 3: don't really think it's a major factor this. 64 00:03:22,293 --> 00:03:25,292 Speaker 2: Debut on Leeroy Carter. He's been labeled the fastest player 65 00:03:25,293 --> 00:03:27,773 Speaker 2: and you said in Rugby JK, here is a gazelle. 66 00:03:28,133 --> 00:03:29,292 Speaker 2: Is that what we need? Speed? 67 00:03:30,053 --> 00:03:33,253 Speaker 3: I totally I am so happy with that selection. I 68 00:03:33,252 --> 00:03:37,013 Speaker 3: think Leroy has had this amazing journey come through the sevens. 69 00:03:37,493 --> 00:03:40,333 Speaker 3: I mean his individual skills around the ruck, out wide 70 00:03:40,373 --> 00:03:43,053 Speaker 3: and stuff which you need are really good. But I 71 00:03:43,093 --> 00:03:46,373 Speaker 3: think we need pace. You know, there's been a couple 72 00:03:46,413 --> 00:03:50,013 Speaker 3: of occasions where if you get half a break, and 73 00:03:50,053 --> 00:03:54,373 Speaker 3: we've seen it, you know with the Australian winger I 74 00:03:54,453 --> 00:03:57,653 Speaker 3: played against ole Man Jorgenson. You know, he's just got 75 00:03:57,693 --> 00:04:00,893 Speaker 3: this little bit of extra pace. So it's inches at 76 00:04:00,893 --> 00:04:02,893 Speaker 3: this level and I think if we can give him 77 00:04:02,893 --> 00:04:04,813 Speaker 3: some ball early with a little bit of space, he's 78 00:04:04,813 --> 00:04:07,133 Speaker 3: going to be hard to handle. So I'm really excited 79 00:04:07,133 --> 00:04:07,493 Speaker 3: for him. 80 00:04:07,733 --> 00:04:10,173 Speaker 4: What about the other changes that Razor has made. What 81 00:04:10,213 --> 00:04:11,973 Speaker 4: do you think of the what's what the team that's 82 00:04:12,413 --> 00:04:13,613 Speaker 4: going on the park in Wellington. 83 00:04:14,733 --> 00:04:18,373 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think I think for me, I was 84 00:04:18,533 --> 00:04:21,373 Speaker 3: disappointed for Rico. I'm a I'm a fan of Rico, 85 00:04:22,573 --> 00:04:24,332 Speaker 3: but I've been where he's at. A lit'll be a 86 00:04:24,333 --> 00:04:27,653 Speaker 3: moment in his life where he's he'll be disappointed and 87 00:04:27,653 --> 00:04:30,373 Speaker 3: and want to prove you know, he's he's been playing 88 00:04:30,413 --> 00:04:35,053 Speaker 3: center then put on the wing, so he'll be really disappointed, 89 00:04:35,093 --> 00:04:36,893 Speaker 3: but I'm sure he'll get another crack at it. I 90 00:04:36,933 --> 00:04:42,453 Speaker 3: think the other changes I thought the half back Combo 91 00:04:42,613 --> 00:04:46,213 Speaker 3: was pretty good. I did think Damien came on last 92 00:04:46,213 --> 00:04:48,413 Speaker 3: week and really made a difference on pleased for Damien 93 00:04:48,453 --> 00:04:52,053 Speaker 3: because he's he's so talented. So I think the changes, 94 00:04:53,493 --> 00:04:56,173 Speaker 3: you know, have been a little bit on form and 95 00:04:56,173 --> 00:04:58,453 Speaker 3: and a little bit on look what happened? You know, 96 00:04:58,493 --> 00:05:02,773 Speaker 3: I think Imonia was was unlucky. I thought he was, 97 00:05:02,973 --> 00:05:05,453 Speaker 3: you know, got to get decent test match. So I 98 00:05:05,493 --> 00:05:08,293 Speaker 3: think when you see the contrast of the saying that 99 00:05:08,333 --> 00:05:10,453 Speaker 3: freaking side right. So they haven't settled at all on 100 00:05:10,533 --> 00:05:13,653 Speaker 3: what their top fifteen is. I think with Raiser, he's 101 00:05:14,213 --> 00:05:17,813 Speaker 3: he hasn't been quick to change, so he's given people 102 00:05:17,893 --> 00:05:21,693 Speaker 3: an opportunity. But I actually think the changes will bring 103 00:05:21,733 --> 00:05:23,853 Speaker 3: them a bit of an excitement and a bit more 104 00:05:23,893 --> 00:05:24,773 Speaker 3: internal competition. 105 00:05:25,453 --> 00:05:28,173 Speaker 4: Now, Sir John Coman, obviously you're an absolute legend of 106 00:05:28,453 --> 00:05:31,533 Speaker 4: rugby union, but you also played for the Warriors. Where 107 00:05:31,533 --> 00:05:34,693 Speaker 4: do you think the nation's heart is sitting this weekend? 108 00:05:34,813 --> 00:05:37,493 Speaker 4: Is it with the Warriors or with the All Blacks? 109 00:05:37,813 --> 00:05:40,173 Speaker 3: Oh? With both, mate, Like this is why I'm annoyed 110 00:05:40,213 --> 00:05:42,573 Speaker 3: that we didn't get our scheduling right. So someone needs 111 00:05:42,613 --> 00:05:45,533 Speaker 3: to talk about that, because you know, the Warriors are 112 00:05:45,573 --> 00:05:49,653 Speaker 3: the nation's league side, right, Yeah, and you know I 113 00:05:49,693 --> 00:05:51,973 Speaker 3: love the Warriors. I was worrying number twenty two. I 114 00:05:52,053 --> 00:05:54,133 Speaker 3: watched them all the time. I really enjoy watching them, 115 00:05:54,653 --> 00:05:56,853 Speaker 3: and that is sport nowadays. You can have your favorite 116 00:05:56,973 --> 00:05:58,733 Speaker 3: league team, you can have your favorite rugby team, you 117 00:05:58,773 --> 00:06:02,373 Speaker 3: can have your favorite basketball team. Whatever you want. So 118 00:06:02,573 --> 00:06:04,853 Speaker 3: for me, you know, I'm really excited about the Wars. 119 00:06:05,173 --> 00:06:07,653 Speaker 3: I was a little bit disappointed hoping they'd get a 120 00:06:07,693 --> 00:06:10,213 Speaker 3: double life, but that's not been the case. You know, 121 00:06:10,253 --> 00:06:13,733 Speaker 3: a little bit worried about the well, if you're attacking us, 122 00:06:13,813 --> 00:06:15,493 Speaker 3: you attack down the left hand side. You know, our 123 00:06:15,573 --> 00:06:18,973 Speaker 3: left hand side has been a little bit put under pressure. 124 00:06:19,213 --> 00:06:21,133 Speaker 3: But it's not just similar to the All Blacks. I 125 00:06:21,133 --> 00:06:24,173 Speaker 3: think when you're playing sudden death. You know, when we 126 00:06:24,213 --> 00:06:26,693 Speaker 3: lost against Argentina with the All Blacks. You know, some 127 00:06:26,773 --> 00:06:29,413 Speaker 3: of our big players had quiet nights last week. They 128 00:06:29,453 --> 00:06:34,253 Speaker 3: all had great games. So, you know, our superstars, our 129 00:06:34,333 --> 00:06:37,733 Speaker 3: heroes of this side, not some of the new boys. 130 00:06:37,933 --> 00:06:39,973 Speaker 3: They're going pretty good, but some of the older heads. 131 00:06:39,973 --> 00:06:42,293 Speaker 3: They need to have big nights for us to have, 132 00:06:42,493 --> 00:06:45,013 Speaker 3: you know, to have a good one. So I'm really 133 00:06:45,053 --> 00:06:47,613 Speaker 3: confident that we're going to do that. I think the side, 134 00:06:47,813 --> 00:06:50,813 Speaker 3: this particular Warriors side, well they haven't showed a shitload 135 00:06:50,853 --> 00:06:53,973 Speaker 3: of consistency over the eighty minutes, so a whole lot 136 00:06:54,013 --> 00:06:56,013 Speaker 3: of character and that's what I like about this thing. 137 00:06:56,533 --> 00:06:58,773 Speaker 4: Well, mate, it's been awesome talking to you in a 138 00:06:58,813 --> 00:07:03,493 Speaker 4: total honor, and look enjoy the watching both games on 139 00:07:03,573 --> 00:07:06,213 Speaker 4: two separate televisions on Saturday night. 140 00:07:06,973 --> 00:07:08,373 Speaker 3: Yeah, how good is that? 141 00:07:08,813 --> 00:07:10,733 Speaker 2: Maybe the n r L needs to subsidize all of 142 00:07:10,813 --> 00:07:13,053 Speaker 2: us for that second screen, mate, I think that's where it's. 143 00:07:15,613 --> 00:07:15,773 Speaker 1: Right. 144 00:07:15,973 --> 00:07:18,213 Speaker 2: JK, you're a great man. Thanks very much for having 145 00:07:18,213 --> 00:07:21,973 Speaker 2: to chat with us. That is sir John Kerwin, all 146 00:07:22,013 --> 00:07:22,773 Speaker 2: Black's Legend. 147 00:07:23,413 --> 00:07:26,013 Speaker 1: For more from news Talks at b listen live on 148 00:07:26,133 --> 00:07:29,093 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 149 00:07:29,133 --> 00:07:31,733 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio