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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: You stalk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: we're going to go to Florida for the latest on

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Speaker 3: the Trump assassination attempt. After five, the Polkinghorn trial is

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Speaker 3: wrapping up. The prosecutors have said what the most compelling

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Speaker 3: evidence against him is? They think at least and Nikola

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Speaker 3: Willis is with us as per usual.

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Speaker 4: After six o'clock, ever, duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Weirdly, Okay, my first reaction to the news this morning

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Speaker 3: that someone had tried to shoot Donald Trump was not shock.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that weird? Miss? Someone tried to shoot again a

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Speaker 3: past president of the United States, a man who could

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Speaker 3: well be president again in just a few months, and

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Speaker 3: who was one of the most famous men on the

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Speaker 3: earth at this point in time. I wasn't shocked that

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Speaker 3: they tried to shoot him. I think it's a combination

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Speaker 3: of things. I think it's because it's the second attempt

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Speaker 3: on his life in just the last few months. I

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Speaker 3: Almost for us to be shocked, I feel like it

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Speaker 3: also think it's because we know the depths of the

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Speaker 3: loathing for this man that some people in some groups

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Speaker 3: Capital Riots and so on. I think it's becoming just

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Speaker 3: think instead of shock was to it was to wonder

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Speaker 3: And after thinking about it for a few hours, I

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Speaker 3: we're not shocked, right. I don't think that this is

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Speaker 3: not be an outpouring of sympathy this time like there

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Speaker 3: the best that Donald Trump will get from this is

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Speaker 3: just a lot of extra media coverage. Now that's good

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Speaker 3: for him. That is extremely helpful. Right, because what are

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Speaker 3: we not talking about again? We're not talking about Karmela

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Speaker 3: of the matter is Donald Trump can and does generate

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Speaker 3: day in this US election campaign, doesn't it ever do?

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Speaker 1: For ce Allen, two is.

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Speaker 3: The text number. Standard text fees apply back here. Great

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Speaker 3: news for Hamilton and Dunedin trans Tasman flights are gonna

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Speaker 3: make a return next year. Jetstar has announced it's going

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Speaker 3: to operate three return flights a week from Hamilton and

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Speaker 3: Jetstar Group CEO is Stephanie Tully has Stephanie.

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Speaker 5: Hi heaven, how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm good? Thank you Hamilton hasn't been doing this for

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Speaker 3: twelve years. I mean they do, they still have the infrastructure.

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Speaker 5: They need to do a little bit of work, but

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Speaker 5: But apart from that, I think the airport's good to

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Speaker 3: Why are you doing this? Why are you flying into

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Speaker 5: Oh, look, we just think there's opportunity for jet It's

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Speaker 3: This is not designed to put pressure on All Clan Airport.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not wrong if I think that you

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, We've said for a long time that we think

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Speaker 5: just so. We see our role as providing lowfares and

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Speaker 5: to be intervention on that. Heather, What kind of intervention

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Speaker 3: So what do you want Auckland Airport to do? Just

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we think that it's overdone for what's needed. There's

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Speaker 5: we think there's definitely opportunities and we've provided some of

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Speaker 5: we're really keen that that happens and that obviously jet

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Speaker 3: Hey, so how big is the catchment? Do you think

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Speaker 3: And then the Dunedan thing. I mean, if I was

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Speaker 3: Stephanie, thank you really appreciate your time. That Stephanie Tully

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c

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Speaker 2: Hello, Heather.

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Speaker 3: The black Fern's a charming off the field, but on

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Speaker 7: England are just quite good. I know that that is,

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Speaker 7: we need to get better.

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Speaker 2: But that's two tests now. They've beaten us.

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Speaker 7: They beat us in the back in the last year

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Speaker 7: in WXV one and again over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: We've got another crack at them in about three.

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Speaker 7: Weeks and this this year's edition of w x V

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Speaker 7: I think you would say, over the next twelve months

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like who ever named this competition WXV

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Speaker 3: paper it looks also, Yeah, saying it out loud is

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Speaker 7: If you walked down the street and said, oh, hey,

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Speaker 3: You talking about? Talking about motor racing for a start, Yes, yes, yeah, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I feel like maybe I feel like if anybody from

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Speaker 3: maybe they need to change that. Piney, Now, this Commonwealth

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Speaker 3: Games thing is fascinating to me, right, So Glasgow's going

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Speaker 3: to do it in twenty twenty six. They are up

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Speaker 7: Well, what they do have is the infrastructure from twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 7: the stuff is still there. Money wise Australia, you know Victoria,

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Speaker 3: Talk said big thank you for the explanation. Apparently Pizza

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Speaker 3: Listen to this? Okay, So this morning, when I was

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Speaker 3: Hither This assassination attempt seems a bit stage. Hither My

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Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump will not debate Karmala Harris again.

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Speaker 3: He has a little bit more information on the suspect

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Speaker 11: Ryan Wesley Ralph, fifty eight year old individual who has

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Speaker 12: Create stories so that the American media actually pays attention

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Speaker 3: because that is a penalty or just because you people

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Speaker 3: are decent?

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Speaker 13: No, it's a penalty, But I mean it sounds ridiculous, right,

439
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Speaker 13: two hundred million dollars plus everything else in the national

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Speaker 13: and international shame and embarrassment of canceling and a agreement

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Speaker 13: to hold the Commonwealth Games and now Glasgow, Scotland's going

442
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Speaker 13: to pick it up. We're having to foot the bill

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Speaker 13: for two hundred million dollars of the Commonwealth Games in Scotland.

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Speaker 13: Isn't that outrageous?

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Speaker 3: Why is it outrageous?

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Speaker 13: Because why should we beginning Scotland a pretty penny? And

447
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Speaker 13: it just makes Victoria look like the most embarrassing place

448
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Speaker 13: in the world that they can't hold their word. Why

449
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Speaker 13: would you go and do business with a government of Australia,

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Speaker 13: even the entire Australian government now for major sporting events

451
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Speaker 13: if they can go back on their word. And the

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Speaker 13: Queensland Premier Stephen Miles, if he could have wriggled out

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Speaker 13: of the Olympics, he would have done it, Heather. He

454
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Speaker 13: was only that he came up with that second awful

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Speaker 13: plan to redevelop what used to be the Brisbane Broncos

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Speaker 13: old home ground that he had managed to salvage the

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Speaker 13: Olympics for now. So look, I don't like the trend

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Speaker 13: more over about the international look at his for Australia

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Speaker 13: and I can understand I'd prefer that two hundred million

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Speaker 13: dollars yes to go towards Scotland so they can hold

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Speaker 13: the damn thing and it being just a penalty given

462
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Speaker 13: to the Commonwealth Games Organizing Committee and everybody loses out.

463
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Speaker 13: But it is just nuts that we are giving Scotland

464
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Speaker 13: two hundred million dollars to hold the Commonwealth Games and

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Speaker 13: it's just embarrassing for Australia.

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Speaker 3: Ollie, is your problem that that Victoria pulled out? Or

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Speaker 3: is your problem yeah, oh okay, so you think you

468
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Speaker 3: guys should have just stuck with it and kept the money.

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Speaker 13: Of course, absolutely, we should have stuck with it. We

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Speaker 13: should be holding the Commonwealth Games. Otherwise why bid for

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Speaker 13: these things? And again, you know for other international sporting

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Speaker 13: codes and major events? Why would you do business with

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Speaker 13: Australia if they're going to pull out?

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Speaker 3: I see what you're saying, and look, I can kind

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Speaker 3: of I can kind of I can kind of see

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Speaker 3: where you're coming from with it. But why would you

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Speaker 3: carry on with a dumb idea?

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Speaker 13: What just cancel the Commonwealth Games altogether?

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Speaker 14: Okay?

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Speaker 3: You're talking about like the Commonwealth Games are basically ninety

481
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Speaker 3: years old and about to fall over like that, you

482
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Speaker 3: know what I mean? If they were a human being,

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Speaker 3: you'd probably put them into East Home, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, But I'd just like gold, We win lots of it,

485
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Speaker 13: like we're really good at it, so you know, it

486
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Speaker 13: something to celebrate. You know, Australians beat the New Zealander

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Speaker 13: isn't something else, like it's just easy to.

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Speaker 6: Rub it in.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I can see cheap wins there, but you

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Speaker 3: know that's okay, whatever cost Well in your case it's

491
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Speaker 3: very bloody expensive wins. To be honest. Hey, this old

492
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Speaker 3: chap who was found dead after waiting for the ambo,

493
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Speaker 3: what happened here terrible.

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Speaker 13: So he fell in his home in Victoria on Saturday

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Speaker 13: night at about two am, and his neighbors could hear

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Speaker 13: his cries for help. They called an ambulance. This our

497
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Speaker 13: neighbors had a fall. It took four hours for an

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Speaker 13: ambulance to arrive. At six o'clock in the morning he

499
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Speaker 13: was dead. And Victorian Ambulance authorities, the paramedics, they had

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Speaker 13: fifty crews header call in sick on Saturday night, so

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Speaker 13: you can understand there's so under stuff. They't had about

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Speaker 13: ninety crews on the road. And you know, our hospitals

503
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Speaker 13: are choked at the moment. I'm sure it's the same

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Speaker 13: in New Zealand where ambulance as sit for hours and

505
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Speaker 13: hours on ends outside hospitals with patients who are ramped

506
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Speaker 13: and they can't clear those patients out of their responsibility

507
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Speaker 13: before going to get the next patient. But that is

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Speaker 13: just a horrible situation. The Ambulance Union of Victoria is

509
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Speaker 13: looking into it. They say it's a terrible situation. Shouldn't

510
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Speaker 13: have happened, obviously reports being prepared for the coroner, but

511
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Speaker 13: you would expect a lot better service out of that.

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Speaker 13: If you're calling triple zero for a paramedic on a

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Speaker 13: Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: Who, right, did anybody go and hang out with the

515
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Speaker 3: old chep while he was lonely?

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Speaker 13: That's what we don't know. I mean, if you're the

517
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Speaker 13: neighbor and you hear somebody screaming out for help, then

518
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Speaker 13: surely you're going in as well to see if they're

519
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Speaker 13: okay or try and break down the door, right, And

520
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Speaker 13: if you haven't heard an ambulance, or if you're the

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Speaker 13: person that made that phone call and an ambulance hasn't

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Speaker 13: arrived within fifteen twenty minutes, I mean, I'd be doing

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Speaker 13: everything I can to try and expedite the urgency of saying, hey,

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Speaker 13: I've now tried to knock knock on his door's not

525
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Speaker 13: opening the door. You might not be here anymore. What's

526
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Speaker 13: going on? So we don't know that level of detail yet,

527
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Speaker 13: but it's just a terrible situation. This could happen in Melbourne,

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Speaker 13: Victoria on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Quite by the way. On another subject, so I quite

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Speaker 3: like the fact that Albanize is holding the line on

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Speaker 3: the social media bullies.

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Speaker 13: Aim, Look, it is good. I mean there's a little

533
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Speaker 13: bit in this. It's a little bit of cat and mouse.

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Speaker 13: Don't get me wrong. I think the idea of the

535
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Speaker 13: age limit to help people and to help parents and

536
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Speaker 13: to set a bit of an example is good. I've

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Speaker 13: come full circle on it. But there's a bit of

538
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Speaker 13: cat and mouse in this in terms of the social

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Speaker 13: media organizations not wanting to pay Australian news companies, you know,

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Speaker 13: again a pretty penny for that content.

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Speaker 6: So I like that. I see.

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Speaker 3: Also, are you suggesting, Olie that because of the debate

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Speaker 3: that's happening about paying media for news content, Albanize has

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Speaker 3: decided to crack down on them on the age limit

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Speaker 3: for kiddies, to kind of punish them.

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Speaker 13: Awey bit on, Oh yeah, got on to say, hey,

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Speaker 13: you're not given to give us the cash, Well, I'm

548
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Speaker 13: going to make life more difficult for you. I would

549
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Speaker 13: hazard a guest header. If all of a sudden, Elon

550
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Speaker 13: Musk and Mark Zuckerberd say you know what, We'll continue

551
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Speaker 13: to pay for Australian news and content. I reckon this

552
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Speaker 13: issue would disappear.

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Speaker 15: Do you really think so?

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Speaker 3: But what about the kids?

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, well, everybody can be bought, can't I?

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Speaker 3: Who cares about the kids? Ollie?

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Speaker 6: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: I appreciated, Oliver Peters and six PR Perth Life presenter. Actually,

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Speaker 3: I'm planning to talk to Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister

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Speaker 3: about this when she's with us six o'clock after six o'clock,

561
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Speaker 3: because she is the mother of four kids. Her kids

562
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Speaker 3: will be around about the age the eldest at least

563
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Speaker 3: where they will be starting to get into the old

564
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Speaker 3: social medium begging now can I have a phone? Can

565
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Speaker 3: I have a phone? Can I have a phone? You

566
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Speaker 3: know that kind of carry on. Get her take on

567
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Speaker 3: what we're going to do because Luxein's kept the door

568
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Speaker 3: open to the possibility that we do actually ban the

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Speaker 3: social media for kids under whatever age, but hasn't said

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Speaker 3: much more. They've been quite non committal on it. So

571
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Speaker 3: where are we at with it? Are we going to

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Speaker 3: do it? Would we use it as leverage if they

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Speaker 3: don't pay up for the news media with a digital

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Speaker 3: bargaining bill and so on and so on. So we'll

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Speaker 3: have a chat to her about that after six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soap is next Quarter two.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certainty Barry Soaper, senior political correspondence with US Now.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Barry, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Heyes, So the announcement in the post cabinet press conference

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Speaker 3: today is that they're going to do the sentencing changes

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Speaker 3: this week.

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Speaker 8: Yes, they are, and it's rather interesting that at the

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Speaker 8: very same time they looked at the targets. Who remember

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Speaker 8: they set themselves quarterly targets. One was on emergency housing.

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Speaker 8: That's looking good. That target is quite healthy. But one

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Speaker 8: target that certainly isn't as good as what they would expected.

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Speaker 8: They were hoping to have twenty thousand fewer people that

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Speaker 8: were victim of a violent assault well or a sexual

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Speaker 8: assault or robbery, but the June reporters found that the

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Speaker 8: number had increased by thirty thousand over the period that

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Speaker 8: was captured. So with that in mind, then they tell

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Speaker 8: us the good news about sentencing. So it was I

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Speaker 8: guess to deflect from properly what was a bit of

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Speaker 8: a failure there. But the sentencing bill will come in

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Speaker 8: this week, so they're getting on with it. They'll be

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Speaker 8: capping sentence discounts, as we know by judges at forty

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Speaker 8: percent you know how they take all sorts of things

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Speaker 8: into account, preventing repeat discounts for youth and for those

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Speaker 8: who show remorse. They are encouraging the use of cumulative

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Speaker 8: sentences for offenses committed while on bail or on parole.

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Speaker 8: And the interesting thing is that there's a two additional

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Speaker 8: things that they're going to look at in this bill

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Speaker 8: that comes in this week, and it was a labor idea.

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Speaker 8: One is adults who exploit children and young people by

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Speaker 8: aiding and obetting them to offend. That'll become part of

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Speaker 8: this new sending law. And defenders who glorify their criminal

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Speaker 8: activities by live streaming or posting them online, there'll also

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Speaker 8: be another offense.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 8: Paul Goldsmith, who was standing alongside Chris Luxon at the

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Speaker 8: news conference today, he says even tougher laws could be

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Speaker 8: introduced for glorifying crimes and this could be just the start.

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Speaker 16: These changes send a clear message that social media cannot

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Speaker 16: be a tool to glorify or celebrate the actions of

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Speaker 16: callous individuals, nor should the adults exploit children and young

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Speaker 16: people in the commission of crime. We think it's important

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Speaker 16: to reinforce to the courts that victims interests should always

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Speaker 16: be at the front of mind and sentencing. Today you've

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Speaker 16: heard what the government has agreed to, but now we

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Speaker 16: want to hear from you New Zealanders as to whether

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Speaker 16: this goes far enough. We're open for change, We're open

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Speaker 16: to going further so.

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Speaker 8: That going further select committee process, people can have their own.

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Speaker 3: There verry apart from the fact that they've announced that

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Speaker 3: they're doing it this week, is there anything actually substantially.

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Speaker 2: New in this No, not from what we already know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so am I wrong in starting to get a

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Speaker 3: little irritated by this? This is exactly the kind of

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Speaker 3: stuff that the last government was doing. The doing government

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Speaker 3: was announcements of announcements of announcements of announcements, and then

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Speaker 3: you'd have like seven announcements before you actually got.

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Speaker 8: The The new announcement here is that it is coming

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Speaker 8: in this week, and you know.

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Speaker 3: There's well that's not exciting, is it?

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Speaker 6: Just do it?

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Speaker 8: It's coming in this week?

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Speaker 3: Getting on my tap toping so frustrated?

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Speaker 8: For goodness, it takes time.

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Speaker 3: To go you what can I tell you where I'm

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Speaker 3: coming from. I have been waiting for this for months now,

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Speaker 3: and we've talked about it so many blinking times. I

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Speaker 3: just want them to get on.

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Speaker 6: And do it.

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Speaker 17: I say it.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't mean it's going to happen overnight. That's the

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Speaker 8: point that I'm making a legislator. The legislative process does

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Speaker 8: take some time.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you for explaining that.

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Speaker 13: Very all right.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of the poll?

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, I mean it's it's okay, but it's

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Speaker 8: I don't think there'll be dancing in the aisles on

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Speaker 8: this one.

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Speaker 3: That there's the Darians hurt the Greens that way.

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Speaker 8: So yes, absolutely, this is the taxpayers Union curier pole.

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Speaker 8: National's gone up one point four percent. Well again not

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Speaker 8: a lot, but it's on thirty percent, again not a

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Speaker 8: high rating for a party of this age. And Government

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Speaker 8: Labors are up itself by point eighty percent. Again neither

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Speaker 8: here nor there. They are on twenty six point seven percent,

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Speaker 8: so you know, they're pretty much evil even pegging these

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Speaker 8: two parties. The Greens are down one and a half percent.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean, it's it's nothing to write home

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Speaker 8: about this pole. But the interesting thing is when you

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Speaker 8: look at the personal the preferred prime minister rating, that's

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Speaker 8: the thing that interests me. Now, Chris lax and he's

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Speaker 8: down from July one point eight percent to thirty two

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Speaker 8: point seven. But it's Chris Hopkins that'll be in fact

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Speaker 8: not very happy about that. He's down six point one

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Speaker 8: percent to just twelve and a half percent. So Hopkins

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Speaker 8: is not looking that good in Labor at the moment.

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Speaker 8: And I know there's quite a lot of talking. A

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Speaker 8: lot of people have asked me who's going to be

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Speaker 8: the next leader of the labor pather.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is a reflection of the fact that

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Speaker 3: I would say that everybody knows that he's just a

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Speaker 3: care tail.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think so yes, I think so yeah. I

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Speaker 8: think there's a general acceptance in the party of that.

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Speaker 3: Now, Barry, thank you. I really appreciate it's very so

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Speaker 3: for senior political correspondence eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: Government's moving to all our unregistered teachers to relieve classes.

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Speaker 18: Unions don't like it because in the minister as Eric

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Speaker 18: at Stamford, who's with us.

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Speaker 19: What we're experiencing at the moment is a huge increase

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Speaker 19: in teacher sickness that's compounded with teachers out the classroom

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Speaker 19: through professional learning and development. And so we've seen us

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Speaker 19: here a massive spike and needs for the leader teachers.

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Speaker 19: There's a whole lot of great ex teachers out there

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Speaker 19: have recently retired or recently left to a baby who

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Speaker 19: we want to get back.

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Speaker 20: How could the union subject to that?

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Speaker 18: Have you were once a teacher of the fact you're

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Speaker 18: no longer register doesn't make you not a teacher anymore?

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Speaker 6: Does this?

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Speaker 19: It's surprising from the unions. Christab A Crombie, the smart guy,

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Speaker 19: we get on quite well. I don't know why he's

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Speaker 19: been in the truth getting away a good story at

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Speaker 19: the time.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: the Jaguar fas used talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Hither it feels to me like Trump has divine intervention. Geez,

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I've got. I feel much the

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Speaker 3: same as you.

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Speaker 6: Like.

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Speaker 3: How on earth has the sky managed to escape? The

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Speaker 3: first one was remarkable to have escaped it. The second one,

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Speaker 3: or just the fact that the sky this guy's just

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Speaker 3: down a hole down in the with the rifle poking

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Speaker 3: out the old bushes. Like the fact that Trump has

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Speaker 3: been Trump has got lucky. He really has. Isn't he

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Speaker 3: like he needs to go and buy himself a lotto

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Speaker 3: ticket right now? Now we've had as I was telling you,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to go to Florida shortly after the news. Actually,

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Speaker 3: just get the update on what we know about the

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Speaker 3: guy who's actually been busted for trying to carry out

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Speaker 3: this assassination attempt. Emmy's are on Baby Reindeer. Creepy old

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Speaker 3: Baby Reindeer has picked up two awards so far. So

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Speaker 3: Jessica Gunning, who played Martha the Stalker, she has, he's

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Speaker 3: got a supporting actress in a limited series, and the

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Speaker 3: guy who actually played the lead actor and also wrote

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Speaker 3: the whole thing, the creator, Richard Gadd, has taken home

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Speaker 3: writing for a limited series.

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Speaker 21: I never ever thought I'd be able to rectify myself

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Speaker 21: with what had happened to me and get myself back

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Speaker 21: on my feet again, and then here I am, just

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Speaker 21: over a decade later, picked it up one of the

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Speaker 21: biggest writing I've always in television. Yeah, Now, I don't

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Speaker 21: mean that to sound arrogant. I mean it as encouragement

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Speaker 21: for anyone who's gone through a difficult time right now

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Speaker 21: to persevere and no matter how bad it gets it

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Speaker 21: always gets impeded.

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Speaker 3: I feel triggered by him. It's such a hard show

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Speaker 3: to watch, but it's also compelling. I'm not telling you

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Speaker 3: not to. The beer has also snatched up some awards now.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Allen White one Outstanding Lead Actor for his performance.

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Speaker 22: This shows has changed my life. It is instilled a

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Speaker 22: faith that that change is possible. If you are able

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Speaker 22: to reach out, you are really truly never actually alone.

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Speaker 3: If you're wondering who Jeremy Allen White is, he's one

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Speaker 3: of the you don't remember how everybody got weird about

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Speaker 3: about like fancying all the boys in Hollywood who look

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Speaker 3: like mice Rodent men. Thank you, Laura Rodent men. He's

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Speaker 3: one of the lead Rodents men. Anyway, I'll keep you up,

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Speaker 3: I'll keep you posted on what's going on at the

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Speaker 3: Emmy's gonna go to Florida X and then actually Paul Goldsmith,

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Speaker 3: Justice Minister on the Sentencing Act, changes with us very shortly.

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Speaker 3: News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 1: The only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to Clan Drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and news talk.

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Speaker 13: As zed B.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, The FBI are investigating another assassination attempt on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Ryan Wesley Ruth has been identified as the suspect. Or

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Speaker 3: Ralph has been identified as the suspect. He had an

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Speaker 3: AK forty seven, two backpacks and a GoPro in the

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Speaker 3: bushes at Trump's Florida Golf golf course where he was

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Speaker 3: hiding out, and he got as close as two hundred

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Speaker 3: and seventy five meters away from try. Lauren Tomasi is

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Speaker 3: Channel nine's US correspondent and is in Florida.

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Speaker 23: Hey Lauren, Hey, good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 3: What do we know about the suspect?

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Speaker 23: Look, so far, he has been named as Ryan Raup.

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Speaker 23: This is a fifty eight year old man. He's from

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Speaker 23: Hawaii originally, but has been here in his daughter's car.

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Speaker 23: And it's all thanks to a witness that Ryan Rout

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Speaker 23: has been tracked down and now under arrest in custody

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Speaker 23: with police. That witness spotted him running from the Trump

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Speaker 23: golf course into his vehicle and took a photo of

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Speaker 23: that car. He then fled down the highway a couple

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Speaker 23: of kilometers, but police quickly caught up with him. Look

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Speaker 23: He's been quite vocal on his social media platforms, very

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Speaker 23: pro Ukrainian, calling for freedom fighters to join the fight

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Speaker 23: for Ukraine, and has made multiple posts about.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump before. But when it comes to a motive

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Speaker 3: as to why.

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Speaker 23: He may have allegedly carried out this attempted assassination, just

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Speaker 23: don't know.

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Speaker 3: There is a lot of criticism right now of the

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Speaker 3: Secret Service for the fact that this guy was able

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Speaker 3: to get this close to Donald Trump. Should they not, also, though,

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Speaker 3: be praised for actually stopping it, And.

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Speaker 23: Certainly there is both of that from both sides here

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Speaker 23: in Florida tonight. There is questions as to how you know,

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Speaker 23: for the second time in two months, could a person

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Speaker 23: with a weapon get within striking this stance of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 23: But look, the Secret Service certainly acted very quickly.

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Speaker 14: This time.

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Speaker 23: It was an agent who was one hole ahead of

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Speaker 23: Donald Trump on the golf course. They scout ahead of

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Speaker 23: the former president as he's playing, and they spotted that

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Speaker 23: tip of the rifle in the bushes coming through the

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Speaker 23: fence of the outskirts of Donald Trump's golf course, and

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Speaker 23: the move to act quickly, Around four to six shots

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Speaker 23: were fired, and that's what sent Ryan Ralph running to

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Speaker 23: his vehicle. So certainly praise for the Secret Service for

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Speaker 23: acting quickly there, but also questions as to why the

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Speaker 23: perimeter of the golf course wasn't secured in the perth place,

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Speaker 23: and local authorities here in West Palm Beach in Florida

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Speaker 23: are saying, Look, if he was the sitting president, it

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Speaker 23: may have been a different story. But it's certainly setting

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Speaker 23: an awful president of political violence here in the United States.

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Speaker 3: It's too right, Lauren, do you think he gets a

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Speaker 3: bump in the polls? Does this help him to get

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Speaker 3: re elected or has the previous assassination attempt already pushed

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Speaker 3: that out to its maximum limit.

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Speaker 23: Look, it's such a rocky road here on the polls

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Speaker 23: in the United States. It's been up and down, and

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Speaker 23: this is an election cycle like you just we've never

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Speaker 23: seen before in America. After that last attet, did the

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Speaker 23: assassination in Butler, Pennsylvania a couple of months ago. Certainly

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Speaker 23: Donald Trump had that boost of support, as you say,

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Speaker 23: and he went into the Republican Convention riding that high.

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Speaker 23: But then around comes car Laharis, changing up this road

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Speaker 23: to the White House once again things were different, and

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Speaker 23: it's been neck and neck in the polls now, so

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Speaker 23: how does this, you know, impact his supporters. We'll have

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Speaker 23: to wait and see.

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Speaker 3: But look, the thing that is different here is.

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Speaker 23: This suspected shooter who is accused of carrying out or

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Speaker 23: trying to carry out this attempt at assassination is alive

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Speaker 23: and he will be able to answer questions for police.

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Speaker 23: So there's a lot to unpack here, certainly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Lawrence, and thank you very much for running us

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Speaker 3: through that. Lauren Tomasi Channel nine's US correspondent.

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Speaker 1: Heather Do for c Ellen.

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Speaker 3: The governments announced it will tough en up the sentencing

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Speaker 3: laws this week. They will include extra punishment for bragging

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Speaker 3: online about a crime, as well as using a youth

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Speaker 3: or a child to commit a crime. Justice Minister Paul

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Speaker 3: Goldsmith is with me. Hey, Paul, hi, how are you

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Speaker 3: very well? Thank you? How long before this is through

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Speaker 3: the whole process and his law?

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Speaker 20: Well, we're going to introduce it later this week as

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Speaker 20: his first reading goes off to Slick Committee where it's

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Speaker 20: in the hands Parliament. But my expectation is that'll be

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Speaker 20: reported back at probably the end of January and past

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Speaker 20: early February.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, how much tougher. Will it be the sentences

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Speaker 3: for bragging online about a crime?

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Speaker 20: Well, I mean that's up to the judges. But what

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Speaker 20: we're doing here is making that an aggravating factor when

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Speaker 20: it comes to sentencing. When somebody is caught and I've

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Speaker 20: done a particular crime, whether it's aggravated robbery or burglary,

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Speaker 20: and it might be a sort of a starting point

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Speaker 20: at ten years, and then there's various discounts applied, and

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Speaker 20: part of the main purpose of the legislation is to

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Speaker 20: reduce those number of discounts to forty percent. You might

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Speaker 20: get a discount for pleading guilty, but were worried about

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Speaker 20: all these excessive discounts that were being added. And then

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Speaker 20: there's aggravating factors which go the other way and such

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Speaker 20: as being a gang member. And this is another one

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Speaker 20: that we've added to that list to send a signal. So,

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Speaker 20: I mean, what Parliament does through the Sentencing Actor is

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Speaker 20: it sends the message to the judiciary and then they

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Speaker 20: apply their discretion. But the basic message that we're sending

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Speaker 20: is that we want tougher sentences and more real consequences

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Speaker 20: for because that's what the community wants to see.

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Speaker 3: Why is the number of victims of violent crime up

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Speaker 3: by thirty thousand.

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Speaker 20: Well, the measure that we're using there is a survey,

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Speaker 20: it's the Victims of Crime Survey, and the question that's

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Speaker 20: asked is have you experienced crime in the past twelve months?

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Speaker 20: And so what we're looking at is a rolling sort

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Speaker 20: of average over a year, and so that includes people

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Speaker 20: who were asked in July last year what they did,

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Speaker 20: what happened to them twelve months before, so there's a

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Speaker 20: kind of a two year lag and so what I

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Speaker 20: think we're witnessing is that there was a big increase

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Speaker 20: in violent crime last year that peaked and we're hoping

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Speaker 20: that it'll be starting to turn down. But I think

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Speaker 20: it represents the fact that we've still got a massive

876
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Speaker 20: challenge when it comes to violent crime. That's why we

877
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Speaker 20: more the things we're doing.

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Speaker 3: Paul, thank you, appreciate your time. Paul Goldsmith, the Justice

879
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Speaker 3: Minister Heather to the Emmys. We can claim one of

880
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Speaker 3: the winners is our own love doing this, even if

881
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: it's tenuous, but I reckon this is one of ours.

882
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: Japanese act Anna Sawai has one Outstanding Lead Actress and

883
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: she's one of the winners for Showgun, which is a

884
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Speaker 3: Japanese series which has just cleaned up at the Emmys.

885
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: She was born in New Zealand moved to Japan when

886
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Speaker 3: she was ten. Basically ours like that would be she's

887
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 3: she could be she could be five oh one, do

888
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? So if she could be

889
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Speaker 3: five oh one, she's ours. We'll take the bad guys,

890
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: will take the good guys too, Anna Sawai one of ours.

891
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 3: Outstanding Actor, Jeremy Allen White and The Bear Ebon moss

892
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: a backrack one. I don't know how to pronounce that,

893
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Speaker 3: chapsdamn apologize, apologize to him. He's one Outstanding Supporting Actor.

894
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: Also in The Bear, which is also cleaned up by

895
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Speaker 3: the way, and then Outstanding Supporting Actress also went to

896
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Speaker 3: The Actress and The Bear. Showgun won total of eighteen awards.

897
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Speaker 3: Outstanding Actor and a Drama was one of the ones

898
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Speaker 3: that they also won. Actually, the guy who won that

899
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Speaker 3: beat out the likes of Idris Alba and Gary Oldman

900
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Speaker 3: and Dominic Wester. He's done really well. Unfortunately. Oh then

901
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: also maybe Reindeer is one a few of those ones,

902
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 3: so you know, worth seeing. Unfortunately, what we do in

903
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Speaker 3: the Shadows, which is one of our locally made ones

904
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: here didn't clean up anything at all. Fourteen pass. You're

905
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: going to talk about David Seymour in just a minute.

906
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Speaker 14: Right now.

907
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Speaker 3: It's seventeen past five. Now we are on the very

908
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Speaker 3: last bit of the trial against Philip Polkinghorn. Today Crown prosecuted.

909
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: The Crown prosecutor summed up her case against Polkinghorn.

910
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Speaker 17: There is an arrogance and doctor Polkinghorn, I suggest that

911
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 17: you should not underestimate. The crown case is that he

912
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 17: has taken his wife's life and he has blamed her

913
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Speaker 17: for it. As he blamed her in life, he blames

914
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Speaker 17: her in death.

915
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: Now Polkinghorn's case is actually that Pauline Hannah committed suicide.

916
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Speaker 3: She wasn't murdered. The Crown told the jury they have

917
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Speaker 3: to decide what's true. This case is binary.

918
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 19: If it's not suicide, it's murder.

919
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 3: The Herald's court reporter George Block has been sitting through

920
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Speaker 3: the trialers with us.

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Speaker 24: Now George evening here, how are you.

922
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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. What were the main points

923
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Speaker 3: of the prosecution impressed on the jury today?

924
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Speaker 24: Essentially an Alisia mclintock's closing address today, which is almost finished.

925
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Speaker 24: She said that Polkinghorn in Hannah's lives were sort of

926
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Speaker 24: on a collision course. Before her death. She said, Hannah

927
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Speaker 24: was doing quite well or really well at work. She

928
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Speaker 24: was by all accounts, holding it together despite some in

929
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Speaker 24: the minute struggles. But on the other hand, polking Horn

930
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Speaker 24: was using an increasing amount of myth, the prosecution said,

931
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Speaker 24: and in her words, being an older white man didn't

932
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Speaker 24: make him immune from the effects of methamphetamine. There was

933
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Speaker 24: a thirty seven point seven grams found in his house

934
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Speaker 24: indicating what the Crown said was regular use. And we've

935
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Speaker 24: heard from Crown the experts cited by the prosecutor Andy

936
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Speaker 24: closing address, saying that that increases your aggression. And in

937
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Speaker 24: the midst of all this, he was setting up a life,

938
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Speaker 24: the prosecution said, with or planning. He set up a

939
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Speaker 24: life medicination, This Ossie escort he was seeing. So the

940
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Speaker 24: prosecution will say all those factors sort of conspired to

941
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Speaker 24: come to a sort of crescendo on April five, twenty

942
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Speaker 24: twenty one, leading to what they said was there was

943
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Speaker 24: the strangulation of Pauline Hannah George.

944
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Speaker 3: Throughout the trial, they talked about the fact that paul

945
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Speaker 3: and Hannah died by strangulation. But there was nothing more

946
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Speaker 3: than that, right, nothing exact about it. What did the

947
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 3: crowns say about that today?

948
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Speaker 6: That's right.

949
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Speaker 24: They said that if you had to solely rely on pathologists,

950
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Speaker 24: then every case would be tried only by a pathologists.

951
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Speaker 6: Right.

952
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 24: What Alicia McClintock's point was that the pathology is open.

953
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Speaker 24: It leaves it says that she died via net compression.

954
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Speaker 24: But all four pathologists said that you couldn't really determine

955
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Speaker 24: if it was definitively strangulation or suicide by hanging. Now,

956
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 24: the defense pathologist said that he would have concluded suicide

957
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Speaker 24: by hanging because the lack of defensive wounds, but the

958
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Speaker 24: prosecutor said, no, that that just leaves the door open

959
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Speaker 24: to any cause of net compression. And you had to

960
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 24: look at the circumstantial evidence like Polkinhorn's Google searches right

961
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Speaker 24: after his wife's death, for example, And.

962
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Speaker 3: According to the crown, the most important piece of evidence

963
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Speaker 3: they have is the fact that she had thirteen months

964
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Speaker 3: earlier said that he tried to strangle her before.

965
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Speaker 25: Yeah, that's right.

966
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Speaker 24: Yeah, they seized on that as a real sign of

967
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Speaker 24: likelihood of future domestic violence. We know they brought him

968
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Speaker 24: that law right for strangulation attacks because someone strangling the

969
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 24: intimate partner is such a predictor of future violence. And

970
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Speaker 24: Alisha McLintock said that that was the most important piece

971
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Speaker 24: of single piece of evidence, that he had put his

972
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Speaker 24: hands on her neck previously and said I could do

973
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Speaker 24: this any time, and that, she said, was a predictor

974
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Speaker 24: of future violence. And that's what came to fruition on

975
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Speaker 24: that night.

976
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Speaker 3: She said, George, thank you very much for runningus through

977
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: and I appreciate your time very much. That's George Block.

978
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: The Herald's Court report of five twenty one, the.

979
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Speaker 1: Name you trust to get the answers you need had

980
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: a dup to c Allen Drive with one New Zealand

981
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: let's get connected the New talk as they'd be.

982
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: Hey, now, if you've been following what the government's been

983
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: doing with the contractors and the Uber case, you'll be pleased.

984
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: I'd imagine you'd be pleased to see that the government

985
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: stepped in to fix up the contractor's law. And this

986
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: is really freaking out there. They did this over the weekend.

987
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: It's really freaking out the unions and of course it's

988
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: freaking out the unions. And if it's not obvious why

989
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: it's freaking out the unions, I'll explain to you later why.

990
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: But we're going to talk to Business New Zealand about

991
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 3: it in about twelve minutes time. It's five point twenty

992
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: four at the moment. Now I've got a bit of

993
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 3: respect for what David seem was admitted. Just over the weekend,

994
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 3: he's written a chapter for a political science book about

995
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: last year's election, and in this book he's admitted that

996
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 3: the single biggest mistake that caused the act Parties support

997
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: to collapse last year was a mistake that he himself

998
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: had made. And the mistake was that he said publicly

999
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: that if he didn't get what he wanted out of

1000
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: National and Coalition negotiations, he just wouldn't join the government.

1001
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: He was going to sit on the cross benches. And

1002
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: if you remember Castile, mind back and remember that that's

1003
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 3: exactly what happened. People freaked out and his support collapsed

1004
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 3: and it went over to National. His right to say

1005
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: that that was the big mistake, and we know it

1006
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: was the big mistake, but you know, even though you know,

1007
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: it still takes a lot for the person who makes

1008
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: the mistake, and especially one that big to admit it

1009
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: was them. So good on him for having the self awareness. However,

1010
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: he might not want to just stop there with the

1011
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: self examination because frankly, that was just one example, the

1012
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: most egregious one, but just one example of a pattern

1013
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: of behavior from David Seymour. Actually he can be a

1014
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: bit of a brat, he really can. He's been doing

1015
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: it recently, even now that he's in government. He said

1016
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: he didn't believe Remember, if you think about the Treaty

1017
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 3: Principle's Bill, said he didn't believe Chris Luxon. When Luxon

1018
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 3: said he would kill the Treaty Principle's Bill after the

1019
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: second reading, he implied that Luxon would flip if the

1020
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: bill was popular. Now, he may or may not be right,

1021
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: but you don't say that out loud. About a week ago,

1022
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: he revealed to media that he was going to kill

1023
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: another cabinet minister's supermarket regulation. He also beat down the

1024
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: same cabinet minister over the buy now, Pay later scheme regulation,

1025
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: which the media then found out about stuff that had

1026
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: happened in cabinet. We're generally not supposed to find out

1027
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 3: about that stuff, And if you cast your mind back

1028
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: to the COVID days, you'll remember there was another massive

1029
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: clanger from David Seymour, which was that he released the

1030
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: Maori Party the Maori priority vaccination codes on Twitter. Do

1031
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: you remember now. I don't have a problem with his

1032
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 3: ideological position on any of these things. In fact, I

1033
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: think he's right on most of them, if not all

1034
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: of them. And politically, yes, he does need to hold

1035
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 3: his line and he does need to let his voters

1036
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: know that he's holding his line on these things. But

1037
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: there is more than one way to skin a cat.

1038
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: It is possible to hold a line on something like

1039
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: a statesman and not like a brat And judging by

1040
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: the fact that David Seymour is still being a wee

1041
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: bit bratty about it in the last week, even that's

1042
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: still something that is a distinction he clearly still needs

1043
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 3: to figure out for himself. But he might want to

1044
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: figure that one out because the way our politics works

1045
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, it's slightly presidential. Voters have to like

1046
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: what you do, but they also have to like you.

1047
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: Heather duper se Ellen.

1048
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: Talk to the huddle about it when they are with us.

1049
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: Very shortly Joe SPIEGANI and David Farrell will bear us

1050
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: this evening. If you're looking for an e scooter, boy,

1051
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: have I got a bag and for you? You know

1052
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 3: Beam e scooters. These are the ones that got themselves

1053
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 3: canceled for a bit of I'm gonna get in trouble

1054
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: if I say they're being a bit dishonest. Now they

1055
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: were being dishonest, hard out. They were being dishonest and

1056
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: they got busted anyway. They had their license canceled in

1057
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: Auckland and Wellington. So where is the result. They're selling

1058
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: off the scooters now, these apparently are Segway scooters. The

1059
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: retail equivalent is fifteen hundred bucks. If you buy them

1060
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 3: new fifteen hundred bucks. You can buy them from Beam

1061
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: right now for towe ninety nine. Hey, how about that?

1062
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: You can buy one of those scooters and then you

1063
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: can go to Pizza Hut and buy two pizzas you

1064
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 3: still have money left over. Headlines next, he still said.

1065
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 24: Be.

1066
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

1067
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: your car on your drive Heather due to see allan

1068
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected, and news

1069
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: Talk said be.

1070
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 6: Still bread.

1071
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: I'm planning by going to be with us very shortly

1072
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 3: and Nikola Willis Finance Minister after six o'clock. Heather, aren't

1073
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: you a brat most times? Yep? But I'm not trying

1074
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: to get elected, am I? Who ever said a radio

1075
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: host with statesman like right? So I get away with it.

1076
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: I think I've got a free bounce on that one.

1077
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: Hither I disagree. I like David symore just the way

1078
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 3: he is and for what he does. I'm sure I'm

1079
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: not the only one. Don't change David. David made by

1080
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 3: the way, David made a very very good point on

1081
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: the media that is absolutely worth discussing. I'm going to

1082
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 3: run you through it later because I reckon he's bang on.

1083
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: What's going wrong with the country, with the media in

1084
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: this country at the moments. We'll deal with it in

1085
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: the next hour or so. Now, at the moment, it's

1086
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 3: twenty four away from six, the government is stepping into

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Speaker 3: tidy up the contract, a situation created by the Uber

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Speaker 3: court decision. The courts have created a bit of confusion

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Speaker 3: here because they rule that for Uber drivers were actually employees,

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Speaker 3: not contractors. Catherine Beard is the advocacy director at Business

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. Hi Katherine, Hi you think very well?

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Speaker 6: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Do these do you think these four tests that the

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Speaker 3: government is introducing will will basically clear the situation up?

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Speaker 25: Yes, absolutely, It's makes it very clear what definition and

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Speaker 25: a contractor is. And we've been advocating for this to happen.

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Speaker 25: You know, we feel that that court case potentially put

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Speaker 25: at risk all platform kind of business models, but potentially

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Speaker 25: also anyone in business who uses contractors. So yeah, nobody

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Speaker 25: really wants to end up in court. It's expensive, it

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Speaker 25: creates uncertainty, and this will just give everyone, including contractors,

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Speaker 25: a much better idea of where they stand.

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Speaker 3: What was going on here that this actually happened. Was

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Speaker 3: there just some sort of like ambiguity in the in

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Speaker 3: the legislation around contractors or what?

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Speaker 25: Look, I think to be honest, the unions are not

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Speaker 25: terribly keen on the whole gig economy. So they you know,

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Speaker 25: find a few drivers that maybe are working you know

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Speaker 25: a lot, maybe exclusively with one platform, and decided to

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Speaker 25: take a court case to test it out. So I

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Speaker 25: think the majority, to be honest, so I have seen

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Speaker 25: that Uber did it got an independent market research company

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Speaker 25: to survey the drivers and most well, the vast majority

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Speaker 25: were very happy with the with the arrangement gives them

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Speaker 25: lots lots of flexibility. They can work for any other platform,

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Speaker 25: you know, they're not tied to one platform, et cetera.

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Speaker 25: So yeah, most people find that, you know, it fits

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Speaker 25: into their lives and gives them options.

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Speaker 3: The unions, particularly the seat use is that this will

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Speaker 3: encourage with these changes go through, this will encourage businesses

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Speaker 3: to exploit the contractor loophole. What do they mean by that?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I'm not sure really because actually our view of

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Speaker 25: what this will do is to take back to the

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Speaker 25: status quo before that, before the Ober Court case came along.

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Speaker 3: It feels to me like the implication on what they're

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Speaker 3: saying is that everybody wants to be an employee and

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Speaker 3: the boss will force you into a contractor situation, which

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Speaker 3: is a subpar arrangement. But that's not necessarily the case

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Speaker 3: for people, is it.

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Speaker 25: Well, no, and de pick you know, as I say,

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Speaker 25: did the market research with an independent company, and the

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Speaker 25: vast majority of people were extremely happy with the arrangement.

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Speaker 25: You know, it means they can work for any other platform.

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Speaker 25: I mean, people have have choices. They could go work

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Speaker 25: for Blue Bubble if they wanted, you know, they could

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Speaker 25: go be a career driver. They have options. So you know,

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Speaker 25: there's a whole range of reasons people want the platform

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Speaker 25: kind of opportunity. They might be trying to boost their

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Speaker 25: you know, their their income. They might have a regular job.

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Speaker 25: A lot of them do you know, we all talk

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Speaker 25: to our drivers. They might be students, they you know,

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Speaker 25: they might be mums or dads, juggling childcare doings, et cetera.

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Speaker 25: So you know, there's a lot of benefits to it.

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Speaker 3: Catherine, appreciate talking to you, Catherine Beer, Business New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Advocacy Director.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and

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Speaker 1: global exposure like no.

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Speaker 3: Other on the Huddle of this has even got Joseph Gani,

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Speaker 3: CEO of ChildFund, and David farah Key we blogging Curierpolster

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Speaker 3: Hello you two.

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Speaker 26: Hello Josie.

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Speaker 3: Good move from the government on this.

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Speaker 27: Well, we do need certainty, so yes, it's good to

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Speaker 27: get some certainty. I think the issue though I'm not

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Speaker 27: sure it really helps. You use the Uber drivers as

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Speaker 27: an example. So one of the tests that government has,

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Speaker 27: one of the four tests is things like you know,

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Speaker 27: you can work for multiple platforms, as Catherine just said,

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Speaker 27: but the reality is a lot of Uber drivers will

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Speaker 27: tell you is it's just not realistic. You know, you

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Speaker 27: tend to work for one over the other and if

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Speaker 27: you don't take a job. So one of the other

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Speaker 27: tests is that you can turn down an activity or

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Speaker 27: a job, you know, or some something that the employers

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Speaker 27: asked you to do.

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Speaker 26: And what the Uber drivers.

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Speaker 27: Find that if you turn down too many rides, then

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Speaker 27: you get logged out. You're basically having it terminated. So

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Speaker 27: I think Catherine's absolutely right that that, you know, people

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Speaker 27: want the flexibility of contracting, but it's a take it

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Speaker 27: or leave it approach. I think in some sectors you

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Speaker 27: need to be able to sort of have a negotiation

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Speaker 27: as to whether you want to be an employee, have

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Speaker 27: sick leave, holiday pay, or whether you are a contractor.

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Speaker 26: And I think that's part of the problem. It's just

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Speaker 26: to take it or leave it thing.

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Speaker 3: David. Are you still there?

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Speaker 14: Yes, I am sorry, just ahead, call coming, David.

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Speaker 3: Are you still there?

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Speaker 26: I'm still here. David's the contract that contractor, David.

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Speaker 3: Because all we're hearing is beeping and then you just

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Speaker 3: disappear for ages. David Listen, I feel like the reason

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Speaker 3: that the unions are fighting so hard on this one

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Speaker 3: is because they want us to be employees, not contractors,

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Speaker 3: because they can only represent employees not contractors. This is

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Speaker 3: about protecting their own future, isn't it.

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Speaker 14: Oh to a large degree, yes, because the vast majority

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Speaker 14: of Uber drivers don't want to be employees, they want

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Speaker 14: to be contractors.

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Speaker 6: That has the flexibility.

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Speaker 14: Where even though Josie's right to say, like, once you're

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Speaker 14: on the job there can be issues if you're turn

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Speaker 14: them down, there's no one there that if you decide

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Speaker 14: tomorrow I want to work for one hour or six hours,

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Speaker 14: it's totally up to you.

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Speaker 6: So you've got the flexibility of.

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Speaker 14: Contracting, but the courts then saying well, no, maybe you're

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Speaker 14: not at c And in the end, it really just

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Speaker 14: comes down to do you want certainty where if you

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Speaker 14: agree with someone, I'm going to be a contractor, can

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Speaker 14: you have the certainty that the courts aren't then going

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Speaker 14: to go in and say, well, actually we've got a

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Speaker 14: different view.

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Speaker 27: I think there's an issue here though, David, and you're

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Speaker 27: absolutely right about the union's Heather. I think the unions

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Speaker 27: need to get much more savvy about how they represent

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Speaker 27: contractors in a way that's realistic, right, rather than just

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Speaker 27: wishing they were all employees, because a lot of us

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Speaker 27: want to be contractors. And I worked in the film

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Speaker 27: industry for years as a contractor, and I liked that.

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Speaker 27: We want to be you know, work for three months,

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Speaker 27: then we go off and we go and work on

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Speaker 27: another commercial or a film. The problem is when you're

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Speaker 27: to take that sector, when you're working on a long

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Speaker 27: term project like Lord of the Rings for like two years,

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Speaker 27: and you go, well, hold on a minute, I'm basically

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Speaker 27: becoming an employee for two years, and I quite like

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Speaker 27: to have sick.

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Speaker 26: Leave and holiday pay and minimum wage.

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Speaker 6: And so on.

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Speaker 26: So I think that's the problem. The unions can get

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Speaker 26: much better.

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Speaker 27: At representing that where the gray areas are when you

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Speaker 27: become an employee.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I understand that. I think they also might want

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Speaker 3: to tone down their rhetoric because it sounds so ridiculous

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Speaker 3: you can hardly listen to them. Now, David, do you

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Speaker 3: reckon that the assassination attempt on Donald Trump is going

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Speaker 3: to help us reelection?

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Speaker 6: Not necessarily?

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Speaker 14: The first one I think undoubtedly did, partly because it

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Speaker 14: was so shock he got hit.

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Speaker 6: His actions were so iconic.

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Speaker 14: The second one certainly probably helps Raoul his base up.

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Speaker 14: They're pretty angry about her and it's a bit strang

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Speaker 14: you know. This one looks politically motivated.

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Speaker 6: The first one.

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Speaker 14: I think the guy just wanted death by cop and

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Speaker 14: was going for anyone famous. But willould still be a

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Speaker 14: factor in six weeks time. Probably not, because I was

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Speaker 14: surprised how quickly the impact from the first one faded, yeah, etc.

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Speaker 14: Where it's not really still an issue. So it was

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Speaker 14: very sad what happened, and thankfully they stopped it. It

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Speaker 14: may help him a bit, but I think mainly around

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Speaker 14: the margins.

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Speaker 3: I am Josie was surprised at my reaction to it

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Speaker 3: when I heard about it this morning, which was not

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Speaker 3: to be shocked at all, And then I subsequently have

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Speaker 3: read there's a piece I think it might have been

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Speaker 3: on the Sydney Morning Herald which basically argues the same

1251
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Speaker 3: thing that the fact that we are not all that

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Speaker 3: shocked by it is kind of freaking is kind of

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Speaker 3: freaking in its own way, isn't it.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, And I think it's partly that this time it

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Speaker 27: just makes Trump look sort of in the center of chaos.

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Speaker 27: And I think he's had a bad few weeks with

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Speaker 27: Kamala having the winning the debate and sort of winning

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Speaker 27: the Democratic National Convention and so on.

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Speaker 26: So I think it just that's part of the problem

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Speaker 26: is we just look at it and go, oh my god,

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Speaker 26: not more chaos.

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Speaker 27: You know, and even the sort of slightly comical image

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Speaker 27: rather than the iconic image, this time, we have an

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Speaker 27: image of some weird shooter in the shrubbery with an

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Speaker 27: AK forty seven sneaking through on the golf course, and

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Speaker 27: you kind of think it almost looks kind of ridiculous,

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Speaker 27: and how on earth did another shooter get so close

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Speaker 27: to a former president. So I think secret Service in

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Speaker 27: the in the use the phrase in the gun again

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Speaker 27: about you know what of our systems and protocols. So

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Speaker 27: I think it just looks negative this time. And part

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Speaker 27: of the problem for Trump is that he's fallen into

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Speaker 27: this sort of combative style the hiatiins that immigrants are

1274
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Speaker 27: eating up hats rather than when he's positive. And where

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Speaker 27: you have to say he has currency is when the

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Speaker 27: Republicans and Trump talk about border controls and cost of living,

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Speaker 27: and that feels kind of positive, like you we're going

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Speaker 27: to fix this problem now it just looks negative and chaotic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's actually a very good point. Guys will take

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Speaker 3: a break, come back very shortly talking about David Seymore

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Speaker 3: Quarter two, the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, elevate the marketing

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Speaker 1: of your home back with.

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Speaker 3: The Huddle of Got Joseph Gani and David Ferrer. David

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Speaker 3: David Seymour is right, isn't he when he basically takes

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Speaker 3: responsibility for having tanked the Act party support during the campaign.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well it's not.

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Speaker 14: All down to him, but he is the leader and

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Speaker 14: I thought it was very ballsy or him actually too

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Speaker 14: to talk quite openly about that.

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Speaker 6: The campaign didn't go well that and hindsight.

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Speaker 14: They were worried about losing bohust New Zealand first, so

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Speaker 14: they started attacking New Zealand first and that turned out

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Speaker 14: with Heinze to be a mistake and also trying to

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Speaker 14: play it tough with National saying maybe what we won't

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Speaker 14: support you unless we get more policy ones, etc. So

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Speaker 14: you know, most parties make mistakes and campaigns. It's pretty

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Speaker 14: rearre to have a party quite so blunt about what

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Speaker 14: the mistakes were.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think Josie? Does he deserve some

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Speaker 3: applause for that?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 27: Absolutely, any politician. And it's the Tony Blair mantra. You know,

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Speaker 27: if you lose an election. He didn't lose, but he

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Speaker 27: dropped half of his support during the campaign. If you

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Speaker 27: do that, the first question you ask yourself is not

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Speaker 27: what's wrong with the voters, but what do we do wrong?

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Speaker 26: You know, well, what mistakes do we make? So, yes,

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Speaker 26: he does deserve credit for that.

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Speaker 27: I think there's another mantra in politics, which is who

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Speaker 27: you succeed when you own the future.

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Speaker 26: And I think for act.

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Speaker 27: They succeed when they're positive, when they're talking about things like,

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Speaker 27: you know, small governments, lower taxes, libertarian stuff.

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Speaker 26: That's what they stand for. It's not what I vote for,

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Speaker 26: but I but I really respect what they stand for.

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Speaker 26: And when they do that, they win.

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Speaker 27: When they do the race bating, when they do the

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Speaker 27: attack Winston Peters in New Zealand. First, he's a terrible,

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Speaker 27: terrible person.

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Speaker 26: People don't like it. It's negative.

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Speaker 3: Well, so I would disagree with you on the race

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Speaker 3: bating because I think if you paint a future, if

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Speaker 3: you race bait that's not going to get you into air.

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Speaker 3: But if you paint a picture of a future New

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Speaker 3: Zealand where everybody is treated equally instead of treated in

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Speaker 3: an unequal manner based in your ethnicity, that's positive.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, and ACT can do that.

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Speaker 27: ACT can do that in a way which is really

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Speaker 27: consistent with their principles. And we've talked about this before,

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Speaker 27: where they do devolution, where you know, look, we'll give

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Speaker 27: Mary the right to have a say individual rights, you know,

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Speaker 27: the right to have a say over their own people

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Speaker 27: and their own service provision. That's a very ACT principle.

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Speaker 27: But when they do this treaty principles Bill, whatever you

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Speaker 27: think of it, it's always going to be divisive. And

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Speaker 27: the problem is you've got to party Mari, who are

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Speaker 27: going fantastic, thank you very much.

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Speaker 6: ACT.

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Speaker 27: We will play that role in to visit two, and

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Speaker 27: everyone along the sidelines is going, I don't like this.

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Speaker 27: This isn't the way we should be talking about New

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Speaker 27: Zealand in the future. So I think it's back fired

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Speaker 27: on that.

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Speaker 3: I do think David and I did say this earlier

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Speaker 3: that David Seymour and I'd noticed it in the last

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Speaker 3: week especially. I just thought you could have, you could

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Speaker 3: afford to be a little less bratty.

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Speaker 6: Do you not think you want to be bratty but

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Speaker 6: not too bratty? Yes? Is you want to get across

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Speaker 6: here in the media.

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Speaker 14: You want to be stirring things up about but you

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Speaker 14: don't want people thinking that's all you're doing now to

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Speaker 14: be few to them. I don't think they are. And

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Speaker 14: with the talk of the Treaty Principal's bill, I only

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Speaker 14: rediscovered this a couple of days ago. But for all

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Speaker 14: theory about her, did you know in two thousand and

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Speaker 14: six the entire labor carcus voted for a bill at

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Speaker 14: first reading because it was in their coalition agreement to

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Speaker 14: delete the principles of the treat of writing ladder of

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Speaker 14: the coverage that this has got that.

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Speaker 26: Politics is entirely rational, and that we would go, oh, no,

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Speaker 26: that's right.

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Speaker 3: When politicians are now will.

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Speaker 26: Be consistent and say something, yeah, the same. How naive

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Speaker 26: of you, David.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that very much.

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Speaker 3: Hey, very quickly, David. In fact of either of you

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Speaker 3: guys watched Showgun, which is just cleaned up with the Emmys.

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Speaker 26: No, I've completely missed it. But then my views are

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Speaker 26: very trashy. So yeah, I'm not very arty about what

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Speaker 26: I wanted. Completely missed it.

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Speaker 3: It's totally in Japanese. Have you watched it, David, No,

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Speaker 3: but I have.

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Speaker 6: Watched the Mad Stalker Woman documentary, which.

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Speaker 14: What I loved about that wasn't just her, but he

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Speaker 14: played himself, not that sympathetically.

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Speaker 6: You saw all the stuff he was doing wrong and

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Speaker 6: going no, no, no, why would you do that? Dur

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Speaker 6: why didn't you go? Is good when you yell at

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Speaker 6: the character, too.

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Speaker 3: Right, jose I feel like when you say he's the

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Speaker 3: David sever Seymour of Netflix, you clearly haven't watched it,

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Speaker 3: so go away and watch it.

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Speaker 26: I've watched it.

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Speaker 6: I have watched it.

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Speaker 26: I mean that he's been self deprecating and putting himself

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Speaker 26: in a bad Let you explain, modify, let me explain, Michael.

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Speaker 3: Guys, thank you. I really appreciate the pair of you.

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Speaker 3: You have a lovely evening. Joseph Gurney and David Farrar

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Speaker 3: huddle seven away from six on.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your

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Speaker 1: car on your drive home. Heather Dupless Allen drive with

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Speaker 1: one New zealand one Giant Leap for Business News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Five Away from six Nichola Willis is going to be

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Speaker 3: us shortly after six o'clock. Did you realize, by the way,

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Speaker 3: you know how the black ferns went viral with the

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Speaker 3: you know, the hug that they gave King Charles, did

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Speaker 3: you realize that before that all happened, Ruey Towey had

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Speaker 3: addressed the king as sup G. I didn't realize this

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Speaker 3: until somebody sent me the video the weekend. They were like,

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Speaker 3: how great? How great are the black ferns? Are so funny?

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Speaker 3: So I watched the video not only okay, so here

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Speaker 3: it is, right, I guess here she is first of all,

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Speaker 3: meeting him by saying cheers, mate, Subg, how are you?

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Speaker 3: And he responds by saying not bad Walter Cress Pannicotta.

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Speaker 3: There's a long word for a small Yeah. No, that's

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Speaker 3: them talking about food.

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Speaker 26: This is it subject.

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Speaker 3: Subg to the king. Now he seems like he. I

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Speaker 3: think the impression I got from watching it was that

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Speaker 3: he was a bit like, oh, that's a bit weird,

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Speaker 3: but I'm going to handle it. His handlers, though his

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Speaker 3: handlers are more pompous than he is. They would be flipping.

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Speaker 3: They will still be talking about it today. They'll still

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Speaker 3: be going out for little martitis in London and talking

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Speaker 3: about those horrible, horrible New Zealand rugby players. Then Ruby

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Speaker 3: Twoey also talks to him about playing rugby, and at

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Speaker 3: the end of it, if you listen really carefully, he

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Speaker 3: talks about his broken nose. She says, I'm impressed, Brove,

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Speaker 3: does you play rugby me?

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Speaker 10: First five?

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Speaker 6: I'm impressed.

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Speaker 3: I'm impressed brouv to the king. So now she's called

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Speaker 3: him G, and she's called him mate, and she's called

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Speaker 3: him Brove. And then just to cap it all off,

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Speaker 3: he says, send my love to New Zealand and she says, we'll.

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Speaker 6: Do Boss.

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Speaker 3: Ruby twe just broke all the protocols, called him Boss, Brov,

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Speaker 3: G and Mate. I don't know which of them is

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Speaker 3: my favorite. To be honest with you, now, Nikola willis,

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Speaker 3: as I say, is with us. Next we're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about the fifth rules. If you don't know about

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Speaker 3: the Foreign Investment Fund rules, I'm going to get you

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Speaker 3: across this with her, because this apparently is keeping money

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Speaker 3: out of the country. That's ridiculous. So we've got to

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Speaker 3: sort that out, fix it up. She's just the lady

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Speaker 3: to do that news talk.

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Speaker 6: Z E B.

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Speaker 1: If we're a business insight the Business Hour, we're the

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Speaker 1: header duple c Ellen and my Hr on news B.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, Auckland Airport

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Speaker 3: has announced that big capital race. We're gonna have a

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Speaker 3: chat to Shane Soley about what he thinks about that.

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Speaker 3: We've got another mill decision read the power prices due

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Speaker 3: this week. This is the paper mill in Auckland due Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Talked to the Union after six thirty And of course

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray is with US out of the UK at

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Speaker 3: seven past six and with us now is Nicola will

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Speaker 3: us the Finance and say hey Nicola Hi. Ever, Nicola

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Speaker 3: Google's threat to pull out of New Zealand because of

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Speaker 3: the Digital Bargaining Bill, is that real?

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Speaker 15: Well, look, I'm actually not privy to those conversations. I mean,

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Speaker 15: there's no denying that they have a strong view on

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Speaker 15: this and I'm sure they'll be putting forward that perspective.

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Speaker 15: Those discussions are ongoing. Minister Goldsmith hasn't shared with me

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Speaker 15: that that's a threat that's on the table, But I

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Speaker 15: don't really have anything more I can add.

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Speaker 3: If I was to just reading it right, So, you know,

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Speaker 3: by the sounds of things about as much as I do,

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Speaker 3: which is reading the reports of that, I don't believe

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Speaker 3: they're actually going to do it, do you.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 15: I know that in some countries around the world where

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Speaker 15: legislation like this has been proposed, they have found compromise

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Speaker 15: positions in which they have made funding contributions to the

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Speaker 15: local media scene in other ways. I don't know whether

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Speaker 15: that's what they're looking for here, but they have been

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Speaker 15: pretty vocal in their opposition to this legislation on the.

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Speaker 3: Social media companies, which is kind of related to Google.

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Speaker 3: Would you guys consider going as far as Australia and

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Speaker 3: banning the kids off the social media.

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Speaker 15: It is something that the Prime Minister has said that

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Speaker 15: he wants to look into and get a bit more

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Speaker 15: advice about. You know, it's one of those issues where

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Speaker 15: on the one hand, there's all of the practical questions

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Speaker 15: about how would you enforce that and make that happen.

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Speaker 15: On the other hand, there is emerging evidence that extensive

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Speaker 15: social media use by young people can be pretty harmful,

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Speaker 15: and as a mother of a fourteen year old, I

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Speaker 15: can tell you that stuff is really, really addictive and

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Speaker 15: I'm pretty sure it's not growing brain cells, right, so

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Speaker 15: why not do it? Well, it's about enforcibility, and it's

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Speaker 15: also about the role of parents versus the role of government.

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Speaker 15: And I think the question is would it be a

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Speaker 15: really big help to parents or would parents say well, actually,

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Speaker 15: in the case of my child, I think the benefits

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Speaker 15: out weigh the costs. Those are some of the things

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Speaker 15: we need to work through.

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Speaker 3: Cool fair to say that at the moment we're not

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Speaker 3: going to do it.

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Speaker 15: Well, it's not something that Cabinet has actively considered, but

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Speaker 15: the Prime Minister has said, well, let's have a look

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Speaker 15: at what these other countries are doing, let's consider what

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Speaker 15: the evidence is telling us, and let's work through that.

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Speaker 26: But it's not top of the priority list here.

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Speaker 3: But as a parent, I mean, look, I tend to

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Speaker 3: agree with you that obviously the responsibility and the actual

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Speaker 3: safety does lie with parents. We're the ones who have

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Speaker 3: to teach the kids how to handle the stuff, not

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Speaker 3: just when they're small, but when they're big as well

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Speaker 3: and adults. But would it not be helpful to be

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Speaker 3: able to say to your child, no, actually the law

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Speaker 3: says you can't have it at whatever age and also

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Speaker 3: then know that there are all of these extra obstacles

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Speaker 3: they have to get through in order to be able

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Speaker 3: to get on there.

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Speaker 15: Well, that's right. It just makes it a bit easier

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Speaker 15: if I can say to my son and my daughter, hey, look,

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Speaker 15: no one's allowed to be on these social media platforms.

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Speaker 15: If you want to get in touch with your friend,

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Speaker 15: just give them a call, because often they will say, oh, look,

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Speaker 15: I'm just going on to message my friend about a

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Speaker 15: bike ride, and then somehow they get caught out watching

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Speaker 15: ten reels in a row about absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 3: So what's the harm in doing it? I mean, I

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01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 3: take your point that it's hard to enforce, and I

1518
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 3: take all of the points I thought about the stuff

1519
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 3: as well. But what's the harm.

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01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 15: Well, I think that the harm could be that some

1521
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 15: parents may say, look for my child, this is a

1522
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 15: really important place of social connection and engagement. Or they

1523
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 15: might just say, bigger off, I don't want the government

1524
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 15: telling me.

1525
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 3: How to parent my kids nanny states.

1526
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 15: So yeah, there is that to be considered, But also

1527
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 15: just that practical dimension of is this actually a band

1528
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 15: that would be enforceable or would it lead to us

1529
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 15: being the laughing stock of teenagers? Who would find workarounds

1530
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 15: very quickly. So all of that needs to be worked through.

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01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 15: I think what's clear, and I know as the Prime

1532
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 15: Minister's concern, is that there is emerging evidence that social

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01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 15: media can do quite a lot of harm to teenagers

1534
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 15: and young people when it's not used well, and we

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01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 15: have to be conscious of that. It's also a big distraction.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 15: I feel really lucky that as a teenager I didn't

1538
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 15: get distracted by social media and that actually I just

1539
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 15: had to hang out with real people and do real things.

1540
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah too, right, Hey, are you up for changing the

1541
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 3: Foreign Investment Fund rules?

1542
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 15: I'm up for more foreign investment coming into New Zealand

1543
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 15: and changing the Overseas Investment Act to support that.

1544
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 23: Yes.

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01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 3: Would you not have to change the fift rules as well, though,

1546
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 3: because it sounds like it's keeping people with money out

1547
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 3: of the country.

1548
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 15: Look, that is something that we have on the Text

1549
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 15: working program and it is something that I am up for.

1550
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 3: Yes, what is your timeline?

1551
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 15: It's something that I have asked in Land Revenue for

1552
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 15: advice on, and that is on the Text policy program.

1553
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 15: Thing that lots of people have raised with me.

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01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 13: That's you.

1555
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,839
Speaker 15: Look, there are some really smart people who might otherwise

1556
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 15: keep their investments in New Zealand, who want to be here,

1557
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 15: who want to live here, that these tax rules are

1558
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 15: catching about, And so I've said, let's go and look

1559
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 15: at those rules and see if we can make them

1560
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 15: work more sensibly.

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01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 3: Okay, you don't sound like it's the top of your

1562
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 3: priority list.

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01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 6: Is that?

1564
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 3: Because why there aren't that many people caught.

1565
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 6: Up by it? Oh?

1566
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 15: It is something that I've asked for advice on, and

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01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 15: I don't ask for advice on everything either. It's one

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01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 15: of those ones that I put on the program of

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01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 15: this looks like something that it might be sensible to change.

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01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 15: Give me some advice on what that would look like

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01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 15: so we can consider it in fact as part of

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01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 15: our budget process.

1573
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, listen, Are you worried about method X now

1574
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 3: also downsizing? And if you are, what can you do

1575
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 3: about it?

1576
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 6: Well?

1577
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 15: Look, I'm worried about any firm that's falling over because

1578
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 15: I worry about the loss of jobs. I worry about

1579
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 15: the loss of export income. I worry about the local

1580
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 15: economic effects.

1581
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 14: What can we do about it?

1582
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 15: Well, first, there's the megaeconomy. That's where we've said, get

1583
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 15: inflation under control, interest rates come down, everyone feels better,

1584
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 15: get your regulations in better condition, get infrastructure going better.

1585
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:08,839
Speaker 26: All of that matters.

1586
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 15: And the case of Method X in some of these

1587
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 15: other firms, it's very specifically, I think electricity policy that

1588
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 15: we need to look at because New Zealand needs affordable

1589
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,440
Speaker 15: energy into the future if we're going to have industrial

1590
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 15: players like Methods and so that's why we have brought

1591
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 15: forward changes in that sector. That's why we've got the

1592
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,560
Speaker 15: Commerce Commission and Electricity Authority looking into competition issues with

1593
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 15: their task force. But you make high prices from the

1594
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 15: wholesale market of problematic yes methods.

1595
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: That's really a gas problem. And what they're saying is

1596
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 3: that unless you guys are able to attract in the

1597
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 3: foreign investors again to start drilling in the ground, they

1598
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 3: are going to have to shut down. Are you getting

1599
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 3: anywhere with getting these guys in.

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01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 15: Well, for us, it's a very high priority to make

1601
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 15: sure that we can have oil and gas exploration happening again,

1602
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 15: and we are looking at what the options are because,

1603
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 15: as you know, the issue for these overseas investors is

1604
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 15: not our government. They know that we're embracing them. The

1605
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 15: issue is they look down the pipe and say what

1606
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 15: if one day a Labor green government got elected, then

1607
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 15: that could be the end of our business. So we're

1608
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 15: looking at how can we give them some confidence and

1609
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 15: assurance that this country isn't going to be a banana

1610
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 15: republic that turns off the gas when clearly it's required

1611
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 15: for energy and economics.

1612
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 3: But what can you do about it? I mean short

1613
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 3: of Labour actually changing their minds, and they clearly happened

1614
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 3: at the moment, so they continue to repel these guys.

1615
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,839
Speaker 3: So are we still at the position where the overseas

1616
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 3: investors are saying not going to come in labor.

1617
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 15: I've got two reasons for hope. The first is if

1618
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 15: Labor ever gets serious about winning an election, they'll have

1619
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 15: to realize that you need to look after the economy.

1620
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 15: You can't do that without affordable energy and with that gas.

1621
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 15: The second reason for hope is that there may be

1622
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 15: contracting obligations that we could put in that could give

1623
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 15: some assurance. So that's one of the areas that I

1624
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 15: know that Shane Jones is working on with officials and

1625
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 15: we'll see what comes out of that.

1626
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 3: Fingers crossed, Hey, have you seen Wayne Brown's bridge idea?

1627
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 3: For Auckland.

1628
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 26: I haven't looked into this in any great detail. Is

1629
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 26: it a good idea or a bad idea?

1630
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 6: Well?

1631
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 3: I think it might be a good idea, but because

1632
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 3: what it is is that instead of sort of spending

1633
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 3: huge amounts of money on a tunnel or a traditional bridge,

1634
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 3: you build on the Meola reef which goes eighty percent

1635
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 3: across the way from Points Chevalier to Cody Point on

1636
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 3: the other side. Does that kind of sound to you

1637
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 3: like this? Okay, this is the problem. Nickeler Point chev

1638
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 3: is going to be cross with you bringing all the

1639
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 3: cars in and you know it's middle class winds there,

1640
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 3: and then Cody Points is a bit of a reservey thing.

1641
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 3: So the Greens are going to be upset about that.

1642
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1643
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 15: Well, look, the thing with all of these projects is

1644
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 15: you've got to look at the business case. You've got

1645
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 15: to say it, does it stack out? There are all

1646
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 15: sorts of ideas, but then it's bringing things to fruition.

1647
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 15: That's why we've put out our transport plan saying here

1648
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 15: are the big projects we're committed to, because otherwise we

1649
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 15: could all spend the next ten to twenty years drawing

1650
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 15: diagrams on the backs of Africans at the cafe. Let's

1651
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 15: get on and build the things we know I needed.

1652
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 3: Have I have I just done it? Like have I

1653
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 3: weet your wrapp. I've done some lobbying here for Wayne

1654
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 3: Brown for you.

1655
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 6: Well, I know that.

1656
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 15: Wayne Brown knows a thing or two about roads, So

1657
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 15: you've weted my appetite.

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01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 3: I'll go ahead, great, fantastic. I'm going to charge him

1659
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 3: for that, Nicola, thank you very much appreciated, Nichola Milli's

1660
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 3: finance mins. There's a lobbying fee coming straight at them.

1661
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 3: Sixteen past six, crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplice Ellen with the business hours thanks to

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01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: my HR, the HR platform for SME on news talks V.

1664
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 3: Get on your here to keep on about the second bridge.

1665
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 3: It's a no brainer. We need it. Speaking of which

1666
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 3: on that, somebody has the idea at the moment is

1667
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 3: that we keep funneling everybody down state Hiwa on the

1668
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 3: existing State Hiwa one which goes over the Harbor Bridge, right,

1669
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 3: and then we just make a little off shoot somewhere

1670
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 3: and we do a little tunnel or something nearby, you know,

1671
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 3: and then every bridge just like oh on this one

1672
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 3: road over and under the bridge and they came out

1673
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 3: the other side. How dumb is that? Obviously that's just

1674
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 3: going to create a gigantic pinch point. Obviously, what you

1675
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 3: want to do is have a second because we do

1676
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 3: have a second crossing. It's a state ivory. What's the

1677
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 3: one that goes north? Is that Stay Highway sixteen? To

1678
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 3: say she got stay Iver one going north? State Highway

1679
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 3: sixteen going north. Imagine if we had like State Highway

1680
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 3: eighty seven or something going through Point Chef, how good

1681
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 3: would that be? A three ways across and you could

1682
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 3: pick any one of them. That's what I'm into. Twenty

1683
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 3: past six, Shane Solly, Harbor Asset Management is with us now,

1684
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 3: Hey Shane, Hey, hey, what did you make?

1685
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 6: What's that?

1686
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 8: Love?

1687
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 17: You?

1688
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 6: Love?

1689
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 28: You to push on the next half across?

1690
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 6: And I wouldn't.

1691
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 28: Let's get it go this, Shane.

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01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 3: This is said as a man who does not live

1693
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:28,879
Speaker 3: in Point.

1694
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 28: Chief, right, I've watched I don't live in Point Shed No.

1695
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's okay, so great. That makes too for the.

1696
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 28: People Point Chief, that's that's an issue for sure.

1697
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 3: I'm kirkaha to them and the rest of us want

1698
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 3: to drive through. So you and myself and Wayne Brown

1699
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 3: and the three of us are going to make this happen.

1700
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:43,560
Speaker 6: I love it.

1701
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 3: Hey, what do you make of the Auckland Airport equity raise?

1702
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 28: Yeah, look, massive raise today, one of the biggest equity

1703
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 28: raises we've seen in some time here in New Zealand.

1704
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 28: The Orkan Airport raising one point four billion of new

1705
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 28: equity and that's the fund it's current capital developed program.

1706
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 28: And today they announced a eight hundred million dollar contract

1707
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 28: with Hawkins to build new domestic terminals. So one point

1708
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 28: four b in one point two b in of that

1709
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 28: is a underwritten placements that's happening right now, mainly institutional vestors.

1710
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 28: And there's two hundred million available for retail on thisstess

1711
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 28: that everybody gets a chance, pricing six dollars ninety five

1712
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,759
Speaker 28: and that's a seven percent discount on where it crows

1713
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 28: last Friday, seven forty eight. And this is about giving

1714
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 28: the company comfort against their debt metrics as they go

1715
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 28: through this major capital works and also gives them a

1716
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 28: bit of flexibility for future capital investments. So yeah, big move,

1717
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 28: significant for the country.

1718
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 3: Do you assume that Auckland Council is going to try

1719
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 3: to retain its holding or just allow it to be diluted.

1720
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 28: I don't look to be honest with either.

1721
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 25: I don't have a view.

1722
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 28: You know, it's a tough one for the council. Clearly

1723
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 28: they are looking to reduce their investment and the import

1724
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 28: and create the spitture funds. So it's a tough tough

1725
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 28: call for them. Let's see, let's see what happens overnight.

1726
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, central bank announcements, we're going to have them

1727
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 3: this week. What are you looking for here?

1728
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 28: Yeah, it's a bit of a frenzy for central banks,

1729
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 28: a bit of a geek geek stuff for me and

1730
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 28: the others in the capital markets. Big one is the

1731
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Speaker 28: US Schedule Reserve known is a FID expected to cut

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Speaker 28: rates by zero point two five percent, quarter of a

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Speaker 28: percent on Wednesday. It's a few people picking half a percent,

1734
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 28: but I'm not sure that data's not quite there to

1735
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 28: support that. And it's the key thing here is about

1736
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 28: the tone, you know, whether there is it's an aggressive

1737
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 28: we've got to go faster with there's consecutive cuts, and

1738
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 28: that'll be what capital markets really watched for. But then

1739
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 28: later in the week here that we've got the bank

1740
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 28: of Japan coming out. Normally people don't worry about that

1741
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 28: too much, but last time last month, they came out

1742
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 28: with an unusual increase in rates that people expected and

1743
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 28: that gave a bit of a shock to capital market.

1744
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 28: So we're going to watch that. And just as a

1745
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 28: bit of a left field, we had some more week

1746
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 28: data in China over the weekend, so there's a little

1747
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 28: bit of anticipation that actually China central bankers could actually

1748
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 28: start to get active and try and stimulate the economy.

1749
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 28: And even here in New Zealand on Thursday with got

1750
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 28: our musing on GDP number. Again, maybe not the market

1751
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 28: mover some of these other events are, but certainly it

1752
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 28: might tell us just how bad things have been. So yeah,

1753
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 28: quite a lot going on.

1754
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to that. Did the presidential debate in

1755
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 3: the end massive to the capital markets?

1756
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 28: Look, it was a bit of a increased volatility around

1757
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 28: the edges, But the answer is no, you know, it

1758
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 28: didn't really provoke any lasting moves. What we've seen is

1759
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 28: capital markets at the margin have favored some of the

1760
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,560
Speaker 28: beneficiaries of a Harris winds. So we've seen companies like

1761
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 28: some of the companies in the sustainable energy sector. For example,

1762
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 28: the ones in solar or wind have a bit of

1763
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 28: a lift because if mister Trump and the Republicans come in,

1764
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 28: they're looking to where they winebacks support there. But I

1765
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 28: think overall we do see volatility increasing. Capital markets don't

1766
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 28: like this lead up period to an election. I'm not

1767
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 28: sure many people do something. We get pretty excited about it,

1768
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 28: but kepital markets get upset about it. So that's probably

1769
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 28: the only real takeout is that we're going to expect

1770
01:20:58,120 --> 01:20:58,839
Speaker 28: some more volatility.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enoughpeciate. Always good to talk to you, mate,

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01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Talk to you next week. That

1773
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 3: Shane Soley of Harbor Asset Management.

1774
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: Six twenty four everything from SMEs sort of big corporates,

1775
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather duple Clans and my Hr

1776
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: the HR Solution for busy SMEs on News Talk ZBA.

1777
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 3: Were going to talk about the paper mill after half

1778
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 3: past because this is the only paper mill in the country,

1779
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 3: by the way, so if this one shuts down on Wednesday,

1780
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 3: then we're going to have no more paper recycling in

1781
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 3: the country. So stand by and we'll have a chat

1782
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 3: about that. Twenty six past six now. David Seymour on

1783
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 3: the Media He says in this chapter that he's written,

1784
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 3: he got cross to the media for three different things

1785
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 3: that happened during the election campaign, and one of them

1786
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 3: was the scuffle I don't know if you remember that

1787
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 3: happened at the ACT party's campaign launch and it was

1788
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 3: between camera operators and ACT supporters, and David Seymour says

1789
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 3: that the media were actually involved in that, but then

1790
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 3: refused to acknowledge its involvement, and he reckons he saw

1791
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 3: footage that made it pretty clear that the media were

1792
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 3: involved in this. And actually this is no surprise to

1793
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 3: me because I had heard from I had heard behind

1794
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:02,600
Speaker 3: the scenes they were really upset with news Hub over that.

1795
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 3: He didn't name news Hub, but I just did. There

1796
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 3: you go, that's a gift for you, asn't it was

1797
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 3: news Hub. They were really really upset about the way

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01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 3: that that thing was handled.

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Speaker 16: He says.

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Speaker 3: The journalists involved know who they are. It needs to

1801
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 3: be recorded that they did enormous damage to journalism and

1802
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 3: democracy through their actions. Having defended journalism from various accusations

1803
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 3: of bribery and bias over many years, I have little

1804
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 3: faith left and I see no reason to defend them. Unfortunately,

1805
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 3: they are every bit as venal and incompetent as their

1806
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 3: worst critics contend. Actions like these deserve to be recorded.

1807
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 3: The people deserve to know how these journalists act and

1808
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 3: their bosses condone. As the debate about the future of

1809
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 3: media unfolds, what's become clear is it's not just the

1810
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 3: business model, it's the product. Isn't he right about that?

1811
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 3: If you think about it, right, I mean, some of

1812
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 3: it is the business model, right, some of it is

1813
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: the way that the media are running their businesses is

1814
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 3: a bit crappy and they don't really know what they're

1815
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 3: doing in their way. Too sentimental about the media and

1816
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, but a lot of it is actually

1817
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 3: what you'll being given. Some content is becoming really hard

1818
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 3: to consume lately. I don't know, I'm not gonna name names,

1819
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 3: but geez, I'll tell you some radio that I have

1820
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 3: to listen to. G was it's just like it kills you.

1821
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,839
Speaker 3: You're like, there's nothing in this, it's not even interesting anymore.

1822
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 3: And so I feel like he's got a point. He's

1823
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 3: got a point that actually it's not just what's happening

1824
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 3: to the media, but it's also what the media give

1825
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 3: you is just like it's like crappy Coca cola. You

1826
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,799
Speaker 3: go buy better coca cola elsewhere, don't you. News dogs'd

1827
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 3: be headlines next.

1828
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1829
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather duplic Al and My HR

1830
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: The HR Solution for busy sms on Newstalk.

1831
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 3: ZB Gavin Gray's going to be us out of the

1832
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,440
Speaker 3: UK and ten minutes time have we had the tornadoes

1833
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 3: and Auckland yet? Have they arrived? Apparently we're supposed to

1834
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 3: get them. I always, I always get excited about stuff

1835
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 3: like this because I always you know how I feel

1836
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 3: about these predictors of the weather. It's always woo and

1837
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 3: then nothing, and then it's always like now it's going

1838
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,560
Speaker 3: to be chill, guys, flooding or cleaned. So yeah, I

1839
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 3: feel like I don't know which way this is going

1840
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 3: to go. If they're predicting tornadoes, it's either going to

1841
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 3: be just fine out there or it's going to be

1842
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 3: like there's something refect. Isn't it the worst when you've

1843
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 3: ever seen in your entire life, wipes out the entire

1844
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 3: city type thing. Anyway, don't know if there are tornadoes

1845
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 3: coming better apparent. Well, obviously we don't because it's a

1846
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 3: bet service prediction. But they say that they're coming. And

1847
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 3: also there is a pole of oltex, which is the

1848
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 3: reason for it. And I don't know about you, but

1849
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 3: I'm here for a pole of all tex. That sounds

1850
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 3: really exciting. I'm really enjoying. How as if the weather

1851
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 3: is not exciting enough just because it impacts every single

1852
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 3: one of us, the guys who forecast the weather that

1853
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 3: feel like they've got to lift the like, really lift

1854
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,560
Speaker 3: lift the energy and the hype on the weather and

1855
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 3: just bring in all of these like intense sounding things

1856
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 3: that are have happening. It's already intense, mate, it's cold.

1857
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 3: You don't need to call it a pole of all

1858
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 3: text for me to be into it. Anyway, listen, full disclosure, right,

1859
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 3: I've been sitting on a bunch of texts telling me.

1860
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 3: I need to tell you that I am way off

1861
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 3: with everybody on the Ruby tooe thing. Judging by the

1862
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 3: texts that I have received, Literally no one else thought

1863
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 3: that that was funny. They thought that she was rude.

1864
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 3: Ruby Tooey is a rude, silly, little smart ass blah

1865
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 3: blah blah, says a text Heather Ruby Tooey is playing

1866
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 3: rude Heather. When I met the royal family a number

1867
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 3: of years ago, I was informed of the protocols for Ruby,

1868
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 3: Towey and the New Zealand rugby team to perform specta

1869
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 3: King Charles. In the way that they did was nothing

1870
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 3: short of being disrespectful. Now, fair point. Fair point to

1871
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 3: people who believe that this was done for attention. Of

1872
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 3: course it was done for attention. Ruby was miked up

1873
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 3: and there was a camera there right, so obviously she

1874
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 3: was hamming it up. But I do believe this is

1875
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 3: true to her nature. She just kind of amplified her

1876
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 3: own nature. But yeah, fair point. I mean it was

1877
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 3: rude to the King. Please remember I'm a Republican, so

1878
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 3: I don't care about being rude to the king. Twenty

1879
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 3: two away from seven Heather dup s Allen. This week

1880
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 3: staff of yet another Pulp Mell will find out their fate.

1881
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 3: This is og Pulp. They've got the mill and pen

1882
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 3: Rose have been considering the closure there. Seventy five jobs

1883
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 3: are on the line. We're expecting a decision on Wednesday.

1884
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 3: First union organizer Justin Wallace is with us. Now, Hey, Justin, Hey,

1885
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 3: are you well, thank you. Which way do you think this.

1886
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 6: Is going to go?

1887
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 29: Well, we're fighting all the way through till Wednesday morning,

1888
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 29: so you know, we're looking for the positive out of this. Also,

1889
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 29: they'll potentially be a negative, but we'll be there supporting

1890
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 29: the members through whatever decisions made.

1891
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 3: You sound to me like you're expecting them to close.

1892
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 29: No, well, I mean, hey, Helen, pigs might fly, who knows.

1893
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 29: I mean, the way things are going, the submissions information

1894
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 29: that we've put in, the feedback that we've received, our

1895
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 29: submissions had value. The responses we had back went overly

1896
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 29: positive towards those looks. It's another sign of manufacturing having

1897
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 29: to leave the country because these large employers of these

1898
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 29: large sites are struggling when it comes to paying fixed

1899
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 29: prices for power and spot prices for power, even though

1900
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 29: the power cost now has reduced considerably. I think the

1901
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 29: decision was already made quite a while ago. And of

1902
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 29: course now we're going to be seeing product being sent

1903
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 29: overseas to Malaysia to then be made into paper which

1904
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 29: then could be brought back into New Zealand and sold.

1905
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 3: Both our paper mill.

1906
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 29: Pretty much yeah, that recycles cardboard and paper and it

1907
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 29: uses Auckland and the surrounds and parts of the country.

1908
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 29: So you know, it's this whole recycling model Helen, right,

1909
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 29: Like you know, it's this clean green image that we're

1910
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 29: trying to put out there, but we just don't have

1911
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,560
Speaker 29: the processes and play to be able to do it.

1912
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 29: So it's it's disappointing that og have decided to do this.

1913
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 29: I mean, we've argued today have a social license on this.

1914
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 29: You know, they have a responsibility to keep this plant running. Yeah,

1915
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 29: we also believe that there are parts of the business

1916
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 29: that they could make a bit better, Helen. We're talking

1917
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 29: about a plant that is efficient, right, We're not talking

1918
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:16,759
Speaker 29: about a rundown old mill that's not producing good quality product.

1919
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 29: They are doing all that. This decision is being made

1920
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 29: at a higher level, and it's going to cost the

1921
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 29: seventy five workers potentially and seventy five families. Now those

1922
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 29: are just the direct impact. We're also talking about the

1923
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 29: you know, the impact of workers that feed into this

1924
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 29: pulp mill. So we're talking about a lot more than

1925
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,759
Speaker 29: seventy five people who and families who could be affected

1926
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 29: by this closure.

1927
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 3: And we aren't really going to send paper all the

1928
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 3: way to Malaysia and then bring it back here again,

1929
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 3: are we I mean, the carbon footprint on that and

1930
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 3: the cost must speak extraordinary. Why don't we just burn

1931
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:50,759
Speaker 3: We're going to be chucking on the landfill.

1932
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 29: Well, because there's money in it, Helen, Right, This, this

1933
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 29: is how they've been able to tap into this industry

1934
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 29: to make money out of it. Right, it makes sense.

1935
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 29: I mean, it's it's simple. It makes since. You just

1936
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 29: it's the full circle sort of ideal. Right, you keep

1937
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 29: recycling so you can keep making the same product. The

1938
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 29: problem we've got here is that and and this is

1939
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 29: successive governments. I'm not not here to pick on any

1940
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 29: specific government, but this is successive governments.

1941
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 6: Right.

1942
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 29: We have failed for decades to get our a mt

1943
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Speaker 29: G when it comes to this sort of model. You know,

1944
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 29: we've allowed businesses to come into the country, get their

1945
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 29: footprint in here, and then they'll use our product or

1946
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 29: use our expertise or knowledge and then take it away

1947
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 29: back home and then start selling it back to us.

1948
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 29: It's just I mean, we did it with wood, we're

1949
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 29: doing it with our meal products. It just doesn't seem

1950
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 29: to work. And yet, and yet now at the moment,

1951
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 29: there seems to be more concerned about teachers dealing lunches

1952
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 29: and road cones. I mean, where is the you know,

1953
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 29: where's the full process at the moment in central government?

1954
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 29: They should not be allowing this to happen because I think,

1955
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 29: I mean this, this is the sneic of Mehale and

1956
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 29: that you see tends to be a need to move

1957
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 29: up unemployment. I just under whether this government at the

1958
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 29: moment is trying to get unemployment to a point where

1959
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 29: once it gets to that level, they'll start looking at

1960
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Speaker 29: making decisions on keeping the rest of the country in jobs.

1961
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Speaker 29: And are these workers not.

1962
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Speaker 3: Just the government does not trying to help, Well, they're not.

1963
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Speaker 29: I mean, there hasn't been any sort of suggestion. Well, well,

1964
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Speaker 29: this is the thing, Helen. They haven't even bothered the

1965
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Speaker 29: coming of conversations. I mean, they are one of the

1966
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Speaker 29: largest shareholders within the power companies. What can they do

1967
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 29: justin well, well, they could come in and start having

1968
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 29: conversations like they did with.

1969
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Speaker 3: It's not going to save the jobs.

1970
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Speaker 29: It's not going to save the jobs. But they haven't

1971
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Speaker 29: even bothered to engage. We do simply what they what

1972
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Speaker 29: they did with t y point, come into these companies

1973
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 29: and start giving them some financial support in trying to

1974
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 29: get through this right, have a look at the gen

1975
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Speaker 29: Taylor's and have some conversations about reducing the prices through

1976
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Speaker 29: these periods.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, yep, okay, I mean, neither of them

1978
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 3: are going to work, but at least you have ideas.

1979
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Speaker 3: Justin thank you very much, really appreciate it. Justin Wallace,

1980
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 3: first union organized six times, I started counting up. I

1981
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 3: was like, nah, that first one was a mistake. After

1982
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 3: three times I started counting, it was a full six Helen's.

1983
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 3: And then I didn't want to tell him you're talking

1984
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 3: to Heather because then he might be like, oh, dear god,

1985
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 3: am I talking to Heather diplicy Allen? Oh no, hell no,

1986
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:18,560
Speaker 3: and then hung out. And I didn't want that to

1987
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 3: happen on air. So I was like, let's just continue

1988
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 3: to Let's allow him to believe it's Helen. I don't

1989
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,759
Speaker 3: know that there's an interviewer in this country called Helen

1990
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 3: on the radio. But it got us through, didn't it.

1991
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 3: It did anyway, it made my ego, which really bruised it.

1992
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Speaker 24: Though.

1993
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Speaker 3: I six, I don't know if it's worse than Hoskings.

1994
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Speaker 3: I think it's worse because at least with him is

1995
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 3: just another s with me as a completely different person.

1996
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Speaker 3: Sixteen away from seven.

1997
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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplessy

1998
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the

1999
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: HR solution for busy smys on news TALKSB I got it.

2000
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Speaker 3: Silky through what's gone on with you? I don't know

2001
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 3: if you realize this, but there is like merchandise. It

2002
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 3: comes up with with mari language. But you've got to

2003
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 3: run you through that shortly. Right now, it's thirteen away

2004
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 3: from seven and Gavin Gray are UK correspondence with us. Now,

2005
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Speaker 3: Hey Kevin, Kevin, now, oh there you are.

2006
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Speaker 6: Hello.

2007
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 3: Sorry, we're having well, we're having issues with the phones today. Anyway,

2008
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 3: it's good to talk to you. Hugh Edwards. What do

2009
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 3: you reckon?

2010
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 4: He's going to get in sentencing, Yeah, back in for

2011
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 4: sentencing today. The forty one year old does potentially face

2012
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 4: up to three years in jail or could receive a

2013
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 4: community order with a condition that he undergoes a sex

2014
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 4: offender treatment program. So this is all because he has

2015
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 4: pleaded guilty to charges involving having and receiving in decent

2016
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 4: images of children they were sent to him on WhatsApp,

2017
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,759
Speaker 4: including some showing a victim age between seven and nine,

2018
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 4: and therefore very very serious on the scale of these

2019
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 4: sorts of things. At his last appearance he pleaded guilty

2020
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 4: to three counts of making indecent images of children. Now,

2021
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 4: to be clear, that means you could just open an

2022
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 4: attachment with an indecent image, so it is a rather

2023
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 4: sort of catch or phrase. But under the law as well,

2024
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 4: those images can mean photos or video clips. So this

2025
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 4: is very very serious for him. He has of course

2026
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 4: now left the BBC, but this is a man who

2027
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 4: guided the nation through elections, through the death of Queen Elizabeth,

2028
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,640
Speaker 4: through the coronation of King Charles. I mean, one just

2029
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 4: can't stress how important he's been in British sort of

2030
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 4: news and society. So this is a big, big downfall.

2031
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,560
Speaker 4: And perhaps the last chapter in this could be in

2032
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 4: roughly two and a bit ours time when he's due

2033
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 4: in court at Westminster Forth sentence.

2034
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Speaker 3: It's going to be fascinating to see how it plays

2035
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 3: that Gevin not going well for the government with the

2036
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 3: early release of the.

2037
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 4: Prisoners, is it I no, it's not so we reported,

2038
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 4: didn't we about how the government's got overcrowding in prisons here.

2039
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Speaker 4: The current government is blaming that on the previous government.

2040
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Speaker 4: And when I say overcrowding, I do mean pretty much

2041
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 4: every single space being used. So they've decided to release

2042
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 4: people early. The normal status is to release somebody after

2043
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 4: good behavior, after they've served half their sentence. The government

2044
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 4: reduced that to forty percent, and so last week two

2045
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 4: thousand prisoners were released. Now we learn that a thirty

2046
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 4: one year old man who had just been released was

2047
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 4: rearrested after he allegedly sexually assaulted a woman. So I mean,

2048
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 4: you couldn't make it up, really, could you. The Ministry

2049
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 4: of Justice said the early release scheme is necessary because

2050
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 4: it had inherited prisons in crisis and on the brink

2051
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 4: could collapse. But the government is saying, look, we have

2052
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 4: to do this. Whereas this particular man, a Mari Ward,

2053
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 4: is alleged to have intentionally touched a woman who did

2054
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:48,839
Speaker 4: not consent in Kent in Southeast England. He was arrested

2055
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 4: at an address later in South London, charged with sexual assault,

2056
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 4: denied bail and recalled to prison. The government said we

2057
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 4: did not release anyone who was convicted. Of a violent

2058
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 4: affair or domestic abuse or anything very very serious. But

2059
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 4: I think many will highlight this case in particular as

2060
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 4: showing that the government has made a big mistake allowing

2061
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 4: so many people out, and incidentally more people coming out

2062
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 4: in the next few weeks.

2063
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 3: Given the problem is that one of the big benefits

2064
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 3: of part of Keir Starmer's brand had been the tough

2065
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 3: prosecutor guy. Right, This has got to knock right to

2066
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 3: the heart of that.

2067
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2068
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely so. This was the man who's the former head

2069
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 4: of State Prosecutions, the Crown Prosecution Service, playing it tough,

2070
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,639
Speaker 4: trying to take a leaf out of the former government's book,

2071
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 4: which is always the party that's been respected for law

2072
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 4: and order, and now having to admit that he's releasing

2073
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:40,879
Speaker 4: people early has not gone down.

2074
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 3: Well, not at all.

2075
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 6: Hey.

2076
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 3: For us in New Zealand, the phones in school ben

2077
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 3: has been brilliant. So it's going to work with you guys,

2078
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 3: isn't it.

2079
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 2: Well, I would hope so.

2080
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:54,720
Speaker 4: And the government's looking at this. I know Australia and

2081
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 4: New Zealand getting very very tough on this, but here

2082
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 4: in the UK it's up to individual head teachers.

2083
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 3: But they kind of feel a.

2084
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 4: Bit left, you know, left out, as in not really

2085
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 4: being given any instruction or any guidance by the government.

2086
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 4: Now we learn that one particular organization that runs forty

2087
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 4: two state or free schools across the country with thirty

2088
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 4: five thousand pupils is saying to kids, right when you

2089
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,639
Speaker 4: come in, you're going to put your mobile phone into

2090
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 4: a locker and lock it and at the end of

2091
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 4: the day you can get access again and take your

2092
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,560
Speaker 4: phone home with you. In other words, they are completely

2093
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 4: banning the use of phones during the day. They reckon

2094
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 4: it's going to increase in attention spans and also improve results.

2095
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 4: And I have to say it has been very popular

2096
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 4: with parents and students when it's been done in a trial.

2097
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 4: At least it's been popular with parents, should I say ether.

2098
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 4: But this is something that lots of countries are looking

2099
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 4: at and it may just lead to the start of

2100
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 4: other schools saying do you know what they've poked the

2101
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 4: head above the power bit, They've shown it works, I'm

2102
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 4: going to do the same.

2103
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 3: Kevin always good to talk to you. Talk to you

2104
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 3: in a couple of days. It's Kevin Gray are UK

2105
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 3: corresponding here? There funny that they're going called you, Helen

2106
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 3: because we all know your name is Karen. Thanks Bob.

2107
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

2108
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

2109
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME US talk SIP.

2110
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 3: Here the you even't been talking to Kerry, have you?

2111
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 3: I suggest you both get off to David Seamore's back

2112
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 3: O Glenn. Thank you for raising that, because I actually

2113
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:25,679
Speaker 3: didn't mean to. I didn't realize this, but producer Laura

2114
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 3: told me that Kerry the other day was the Thursday.

2115
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 3: Kerrie the other day on Thursday had Christopher Luxen and

2116
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 3: was talking to him about the fact that she thought

2117
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 3: that David Seymore was a brat, and then David asked

2118
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 3: for a ride of replying did he have it today, Laura?

2119
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 3: And then he had it today? So honest, God did

2120
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 3: not know about that. But what that tells you is

2121
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 3: that you have two hyper intelligent women who came to

2122
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:47,879
Speaker 3: the same conclusion.

2123
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 30: And I've also booked out five ten tomorrow for David

2124
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 30: have your eyes complaining.

2125
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 3: The hyper intelligent women obviously being Kerry mckiva and Helen,

2126
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:00,640
Speaker 3: not me, just the other one. My oldter ego. Her

2127
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:01,639
Speaker 3: produces Helen too.

2128
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:04,719
Speaker 2: Hey, Carrie's producers.

2129
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 3: Helles not confuse people now, okay, because I think what's

2130
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 3: happening is maybe people are calling to talk to Carrie

2131
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 3: and they're talking to Helen and then they're projecting that

2132
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:14,719
Speaker 3: lovely Helen onto me. And I don't want to upset

2133
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 3: Helen by letting her think that people think we're the

2134
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 3: same person. No, because I'm probably ruining her reputation. Really

2135
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 3: quick smart at the moment, hey, very quickly. Okay, So listen,

2136
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 3: do you know about this?

2137
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2138
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if you probably do, but you will

2139
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:31,639
Speaker 3: have seen people walking around with these Kia kahaterial Maori

2140
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 3: jumpers and T shirts and stuff like that. That is

2141
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 3: the official Marti Language week merchandise that is sold through

2142
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 3: a co lab between the Marii Language Commission. Until Wade

2143
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 3: Fuddy the warehouse right that stuff sold out this weekend.

2144
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 3: They like, this is an unexpected craze for me. They

2145
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 3: put it online at midnight and by ten past midnight

2146
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 3: on Saturday, so literally ten minutes into the sale, all

2147
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 3: of it was gone from online. And if you think, oh,

2148
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 3: that's just whatever, there were people apparently at the Dunedin

2149
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 3: South Warehouse who were queuing up before the doors opened

2150
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:07,839
Speaker 3: at eight on a Saturday morning. Now, I can't explain

2151
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 3: that one of two things is going on here. People

2152
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 3: are really into the language, like excellently into the language,

2153
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 3: and there's a possibility. But the other thing is also

2154
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 3: that the warehouse has done little trick where they limit

2155
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 3: the supply. So it sounds like everybody loves it because

2156
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 3: it'll sala. Remember Louis Lewis, the Lewis Rode Creamery did

2157
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 3: that with the chocolate milk and you know what happens. Now.

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Speaker 3: I want to jump her because I didn't get one right.

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Speaker 3: That's how it works, so I do want to jump her.

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Speaker 3: And Andy geezz Helen, I've been here since mid Can

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Speaker 3: you be ants and I'll be Helen for the rest

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Speaker 3: of the show.

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Speaker 30: Okay, Right, tonight we go out with Taylor Swift too.

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Speaker 30: Donald Trump, which it's been quite the day for the guy,

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Speaker 30: hasn't It really had the guy hiding in the bush.

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Speaker 30: And then before that he was actually tweeting out saying

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Speaker 30: all in capitals, I hate Taylor Swift for no apparent reason.

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Speaker 3: For apparent reason, she endorsed Karmela.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but she never mentioned him.

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Speaker 3: She endorsed his rifle.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, but does that? I mean, I hate Taylor.

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Speaker 2: So that's all he said, just randomly.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows why, what is?

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Speaker 6: Why?

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Speaker 3: Is this a surprise to you?

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Speaker 30: I was not a surprised, but this, you know, she

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Speaker 30: never mentioned him.

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Speaker 3: She picked his opponent. I hate Taylor Swift. It's a

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Speaker 3: bit intense.

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Speaker 10: It's a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit much, isn't it. Yeah, could tone it down,

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Speaker 3: like maybe he could just have written that normal caps. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think, okay, fairy Taylor and caps and so you

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Speaker 3: make a great point.

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Speaker 8: Always good.

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