1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,453 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,453 --> 00:00:14,573 Speaker 2: A'd be Robert much and Moore has written some of 4 00:00:14,613 --> 00:00:17,373 Speaker 2: the best books that young readers can get their hands on. 5 00:00:17,493 --> 00:00:21,453 Speaker 2: His Cherub series is credited with shaking up young adult 6 00:00:21,533 --> 00:00:26,173 Speaker 2: literature using realistic language and challenging traditional portrayals of heroes, 7 00:00:26,213 --> 00:00:31,293 Speaker 2: and his themes are kind of unconventionally sophisticated. His latest 8 00:00:31,293 --> 00:00:36,733 Speaker 2: book tackles concepts like corruption, protection, rackets, and late stage 9 00:00:36,773 --> 00:00:40,253 Speaker 2: capitalist failure, so big stuff for young readers. Of course. 10 00:00:40,813 --> 00:00:43,373 Speaker 2: His latest read is a twist on the classic tale 11 00:00:43,453 --> 00:00:48,053 Speaker 2: of Robin Hood. It's in his Fury Fire and Frost series, 12 00:00:48,293 --> 00:00:50,413 Speaker 2: so it kind of looks if whether or not Robin 13 00:00:50,573 --> 00:00:53,453 Speaker 2: lived today in today's world and was a twelve year 14 00:00:53,493 --> 00:00:55,813 Speaker 2: old boy, how he would deal with some of the 15 00:00:55,973 --> 00:00:59,253 Speaker 2: challenges he encountered. Robert Muchamore is here with us this morning, 16 00:00:59,333 --> 00:01:00,013 Speaker 2: kild A, Good. 17 00:00:59,853 --> 00:01:02,453 Speaker 3: Morning, Good morning. It's great to be here. 18 00:01:02,773 --> 00:01:06,373 Speaker 2: You know what. We speak to some prolific authors from 19 00:01:06,453 --> 00:01:08,813 Speaker 2: time to time on this program. But Fury, Fire and 20 00:01:08,853 --> 00:01:11,933 Speaker 2: Frost is the ninth book in your Robin Hood series, 21 00:01:11,973 --> 00:01:14,053 Speaker 2: and you are churning them out, So how much time 22 00:01:14,093 --> 00:01:15,573 Speaker 2: do you spend actually not writing. 23 00:01:17,853 --> 00:01:20,373 Speaker 3: The funny thing is is that I do write reasonably quickly. 24 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:22,373 Speaker 3: I usually write a book in six to eight weeks 25 00:01:22,413 --> 00:01:24,653 Speaker 3: once it's all planned and worked out. And I think 26 00:01:24,693 --> 00:01:26,813 Speaker 3: it's really important when you work for kids, when you 27 00:01:26,853 --> 00:01:29,493 Speaker 3: write for children, because if I say to an adult, 28 00:01:29,533 --> 00:01:31,573 Speaker 3: you know, my next book's out in a year, that's okay. 29 00:01:31,813 --> 00:01:33,573 Speaker 3: If I say to a kid, you know, my book's 30 00:01:33,613 --> 00:01:35,653 Speaker 3: out in three months, it's like, oh god, that's such 31 00:01:35,653 --> 00:01:37,973 Speaker 3: a long time. So I think it's really important for 32 00:01:38,053 --> 00:01:40,893 Speaker 3: children's authors to kind of keep feeding them and keep 33 00:01:40,973 --> 00:01:43,893 Speaker 3: kids interested because they grow up and they change so fast. 34 00:01:44,093 --> 00:01:47,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, there must be. It sort of adds a tricky dynamic, though, 35 00:01:47,373 --> 00:01:49,453 Speaker 2: doesn't it. That means you really have to have everything 36 00:01:49,573 --> 00:01:52,813 Speaker 2: sorted quite early in the process if you're trying to 37 00:01:53,813 --> 00:01:56,293 Speaker 2: serve the readers whom you first capture with your first 38 00:01:56,293 --> 00:01:57,053 Speaker 2: book in a series. 39 00:01:58,893 --> 00:02:00,733 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's absolutely right. 40 00:02:01,293 --> 00:02:04,013 Speaker 2: So tell us about the decision to go with a 41 00:02:04,013 --> 00:02:07,893 Speaker 2: modern Robin Hood character. For those of our listeners who 42 00:02:07,893 --> 00:02:10,653 Speaker 2: haven't read any of the books in the series yet, obviously, 43 00:02:10,693 --> 00:02:13,773 Speaker 2: this is a modern reimagining of the famous character. 44 00:02:15,253 --> 00:02:18,533 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, what I wanted to do was. I really 45 00:02:18,573 --> 00:02:20,653 Speaker 3: liked the idea of Robinhood and always been attracted to 46 00:02:20,733 --> 00:02:23,933 Speaker 3: Robin Hood's stories. But when I started researching in very 47 00:02:23,933 --> 00:02:26,293 Speaker 3: often when I'm researching or thinking about doing something new, 48 00:02:26,333 --> 00:02:28,653 Speaker 3: I look into lots of different things, but robin Hood 49 00:02:28,733 --> 00:02:31,733 Speaker 3: really fascinated me because it's this very old I mean, 50 00:02:31,773 --> 00:02:34,173 Speaker 3: it was around in the sort of fourteenth fifteenth century. 51 00:02:34,213 --> 00:02:36,933 Speaker 3: As you know, stories passed on by word of mouth, 52 00:02:36,973 --> 00:02:40,053 Speaker 3: and it's progressed and every new format that's come along, 53 00:02:40,093 --> 00:02:43,173 Speaker 3: whether it's you know, poems, whether it's early plays as 54 00:02:43,173 --> 00:02:45,573 Speaker 3: a Shakespeare played with Robin Hood in. You know, it's 55 00:02:45,613 --> 00:02:47,653 Speaker 3: this kind of legend that's been around for so long 56 00:02:47,813 --> 00:02:50,293 Speaker 3: and everyone gets to interpret it in their own way. 57 00:02:50,453 --> 00:02:53,733 Speaker 3: So my Robinhood lives in a very contemporary world, and 58 00:02:54,253 --> 00:02:56,293 Speaker 3: you know, the Sheriff of Nottingham is a kind of 59 00:02:56,773 --> 00:02:59,093 Speaker 3: I guess you'd say, a kind of trump like populist 60 00:02:59,173 --> 00:03:02,173 Speaker 3: kind of figure. And my version of Robinhood is a 61 00:03:02,253 --> 00:03:05,053 Speaker 3: twelve thirteen year old boy who is very much like 62 00:03:05,133 --> 00:03:05,933 Speaker 3: most modern kids. 63 00:03:06,093 --> 00:03:09,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, you to try and connect with this audience and 64 00:03:09,453 --> 00:03:11,733 Speaker 2: make him relevant to this audience, do you have to 65 00:03:11,813 --> 00:03:13,573 Speaker 2: do things like spend a lot of time on social media. 66 00:03:16,013 --> 00:03:17,413 Speaker 3: Do you know it's funny? I was chatting to a 67 00:03:17,493 --> 00:03:19,413 Speaker 3: friend about this because as I'm getting older, I must 68 00:03:19,493 --> 00:03:21,533 Speaker 3: confess I do find it a little bit harder to 69 00:03:21,533 --> 00:03:23,693 Speaker 3: stay in touch with kids. I do find that kids 70 00:03:23,733 --> 00:03:25,733 Speaker 3: are more different to me than when I first started 71 00:03:25,773 --> 00:03:28,653 Speaker 3: writing for kids about twenty years ago. So you really 72 00:03:28,693 --> 00:03:31,453 Speaker 3: do have to be humble and talk to kids and 73 00:03:31,493 --> 00:03:34,133 Speaker 3: listen to what they say. And kids are quite ruthless. 74 00:03:34,173 --> 00:03:36,013 Speaker 3: You know, any kid who's a fan of my books, 75 00:03:36,053 --> 00:03:38,213 Speaker 3: I'll always a reply to any email they send me 76 00:03:38,293 --> 00:03:40,773 Speaker 3: via there with my website, but they're always quite ruthless. 77 00:03:40,773 --> 00:03:42,733 Speaker 3: If you get something wrong, will you use a phrase 78 00:03:42,773 --> 00:03:44,853 Speaker 3: that isn't hit anymore or something like that. 79 00:03:45,253 --> 00:03:47,653 Speaker 2: Can you think of an example where you've had one 80 00:03:47,653 --> 00:03:50,253 Speaker 2: of your fans come back with some ruthless feedback? 81 00:03:52,693 --> 00:03:53,013 Speaker 1: Do you know? 82 00:03:53,653 --> 00:03:55,093 Speaker 3: You know you've put me on the spot there? And 83 00:03:55,133 --> 00:03:58,013 Speaker 3: I can't actually think of one specific example. The one 84 00:03:58,013 --> 00:04:00,093 Speaker 3: I always like. One of my all time favorite fan 85 00:04:00,173 --> 00:04:02,453 Speaker 3: mails from a kid was he turned around to me 86 00:04:02,453 --> 00:04:05,293 Speaker 3: and he said, dear mister, muchamore, your books have taken 87 00:04:05,333 --> 00:04:08,693 Speaker 3: over like a Your books have taken off like wildfire 88 00:04:08,733 --> 00:04:10,853 Speaker 3: since our headmaster banned them from US school. 89 00:04:11,853 --> 00:04:15,213 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is a curious dynamic with at 90 00:04:15,293 --> 00:04:18,973 Speaker 2: least one of your books. But you know, it seems 91 00:04:18,973 --> 00:04:21,213 Speaker 2: remarkable in this day and a that we're still kind of, 92 00:04:21,453 --> 00:04:23,453 Speaker 2: you know, considering banning books and they can be kind 93 00:04:23,493 --> 00:04:25,733 Speaker 2: of moral panic about these things. But what was the 94 00:04:25,773 --> 00:04:29,693 Speaker 2: impact of the concerns that your storytelling might be having 95 00:04:29,733 --> 00:04:31,213 Speaker 2: on young and pressionable minds. 96 00:04:33,213 --> 00:04:35,613 Speaker 3: I think there will always be an element of people 97 00:04:35,653 --> 00:04:39,933 Speaker 3: who because my books have realistic themes and you know, 98 00:04:40,053 --> 00:04:43,093 Speaker 3: sometimes there's some quite nasty violence, or sometimes there's some 99 00:04:43,613 --> 00:04:45,933 Speaker 3: very mild sexual content, to be honest, less so in 100 00:04:45,933 --> 00:04:48,453 Speaker 3: my Robin Hood books, which ranged at slightly younger audience. 101 00:04:49,213 --> 00:04:51,653 Speaker 3: But I just think it's really important. You know, I'm 102 00:04:52,253 --> 00:04:54,733 Speaker 3: competing with kids who are playing, you know, video games, 103 00:04:54,733 --> 00:04:58,093 Speaker 3: and they're watching you know, dramas on Netflix. And the 104 00:04:58,213 --> 00:05:01,773 Speaker 3: idea that children's books is this very cozy, twee world. 105 00:05:02,453 --> 00:05:04,053 Speaker 3: I think if we stick to that, we end up 106 00:05:04,093 --> 00:05:05,973 Speaker 3: in a world where it's cozy and twea and lots 107 00:05:06,013 --> 00:05:08,413 Speaker 3: of little it's read the books. But once boys get 108 00:05:08,453 --> 00:05:10,773 Speaker 3: to that kind of twelve thirteen, and girls as well, 109 00:05:10,973 --> 00:05:13,173 Speaker 3: once they get to that sort of difficult age where 110 00:05:13,173 --> 00:05:15,973 Speaker 3: they stop reading you neque content that appeals to that 111 00:05:16,053 --> 00:05:16,573 Speaker 3: age group. 112 00:05:16,813 --> 00:05:19,053 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point. It's kind of a 113 00:05:19,893 --> 00:05:23,453 Speaker 2: you know, an interesting thought experiment to imagine, you know, 114 00:05:23,493 --> 00:05:26,373 Speaker 2: how an Enid Blyton or someone would go publishing those 115 00:05:26,373 --> 00:05:31,733 Speaker 2: stories today in a world where all of the attention 116 00:05:31,893 --> 00:05:35,333 Speaker 2: demands on young kids, or all of the kind of 117 00:05:35,413 --> 00:05:39,733 Speaker 2: seductive digital devices that they have, you know, very often 118 00:05:39,773 --> 00:05:42,013 Speaker 2: at their fingertips are kind of calling their name. So 119 00:05:42,053 --> 00:05:44,253 Speaker 2: you really need to find a way to punch through, 120 00:05:44,333 --> 00:05:45,053 Speaker 2: that's what you're saying. 121 00:05:46,773 --> 00:05:49,173 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I mean I do find myself, you know, 122 00:05:49,213 --> 00:05:52,453 Speaker 3: when I'm with my young niece's nephews, things like that. 123 00:05:52,493 --> 00:05:54,973 Speaker 3: You know, I do find myself. You know, I've turned 124 00:05:55,013 --> 00:05:56,573 Speaker 3: into that old man who's like, do you know how 125 00:05:56,613 --> 00:05:58,413 Speaker 3: lucky you are? All the things you've got now that 126 00:05:58,453 --> 00:05:59,773 Speaker 3: I didn't have when I was a kid. 127 00:06:00,253 --> 00:06:02,333 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think we all all find this as 128 00:06:02,333 --> 00:06:04,653 Speaker 2: a bit like that at the moment, So begs Robin Hood. 129 00:06:05,853 --> 00:06:08,573 Speaker 2: I suppose the original character appealed to people because of 130 00:06:08,613 --> 00:06:11,693 Speaker 2: his you know sense of you know, for what we 131 00:06:11,773 --> 00:06:15,373 Speaker 2: might turn today as kind of social justice, obviously taking 132 00:06:15,373 --> 00:06:18,293 Speaker 2: from the rich to give to the poor. How do 133 00:06:18,373 --> 00:06:23,413 Speaker 2: you settle upon a kind of moral framework, or how 134 00:06:23,413 --> 00:06:25,733 Speaker 2: do you make him appealing in the same kind of 135 00:06:25,773 --> 00:06:28,253 Speaker 2: way to a young audience who might not be so 136 00:06:28,293 --> 00:06:32,213 Speaker 2: easily seduced by, you know, that the morals that defined 137 00:06:32,293 --> 00:06:34,413 Speaker 2: him three or one hundred years ago. 138 00:06:35,533 --> 00:06:40,013 Speaker 3: I think I think the interesting thing about young people 139 00:06:40,053 --> 00:06:43,373 Speaker 3: actually is they because you know, because very often young people, 140 00:06:43,453 --> 00:06:45,893 Speaker 3: they're in positions of weakness. You know, everyone did takes 141 00:06:45,893 --> 00:06:47,733 Speaker 3: to them. They mostly have to do what they're told. 142 00:06:48,253 --> 00:06:50,413 Speaker 3: They don't have a great deal of freedom. So I 143 00:06:50,453 --> 00:06:54,733 Speaker 3: think kids are actually incredibly sensitive to win equalities and 144 00:06:55,213 --> 00:06:58,133 Speaker 3: you know, any sense of injustice or inequality, kids are 145 00:06:58,173 --> 00:07:00,053 Speaker 3: on it like a ton of bricks. So I actually 146 00:07:00,093 --> 00:07:03,893 Speaker 3: think a Robin Hood character who's younger, actually they can 147 00:07:03,933 --> 00:07:07,013 Speaker 3: relate to that very closely because they always see justices 148 00:07:07,013 --> 00:07:09,213 Speaker 3: in their own lives, and very often with kids, they're 149 00:07:09,253 --> 00:07:12,333 Speaker 3: pretty powerless to do anything about it. 150 00:07:12,093 --> 00:07:14,973 Speaker 2: So Robert as what I think, twenty one years since 151 00:07:15,133 --> 00:07:17,453 Speaker 2: The Recruit was published, you're the first book and the 152 00:07:17,493 --> 00:07:20,213 Speaker 2: Cherub series. Yeah, yeah, I mean that is remarkable. So 153 00:07:20,573 --> 00:07:24,173 Speaker 2: how how how has the Cherub series kind of changed 154 00:07:24,173 --> 00:07:25,333 Speaker 2: your life? 155 00:07:26,253 --> 00:07:26,453 Speaker 1: Oh? 156 00:07:26,493 --> 00:07:28,933 Speaker 3: I mean I remember when I got my I wrote 157 00:07:28,933 --> 00:07:30,933 Speaker 3: the book kind of on Spec didn't have a publishing 158 00:07:30,973 --> 00:07:33,053 Speaker 3: dealer or anything like that. And I remember when it 159 00:07:33,093 --> 00:07:34,813 Speaker 3: first come out, I still had a full time job, 160 00:07:34,853 --> 00:07:36,573 Speaker 3: you know, I didn't get a big, fabulous advance and 161 00:07:36,653 --> 00:07:38,653 Speaker 3: quit my job or anything like that. And I remember 162 00:07:38,653 --> 00:07:40,293 Speaker 3: saying to the guys I worked with, you know, it 163 00:07:40,333 --> 00:07:42,333 Speaker 3: would be really nice if I've written a book, which 164 00:07:42,373 --> 00:07:44,213 Speaker 3: is something I've always wanted to do, and if I 165 00:07:44,293 --> 00:07:47,053 Speaker 3: come out of this, you know, with enough money to 166 00:07:47,093 --> 00:07:48,933 Speaker 3: go on a nice holiday and I've got family in 167 00:07:48,933 --> 00:07:51,213 Speaker 3: Australia and good friends in New Zealand. And that was 168 00:07:51,293 --> 00:07:52,613 Speaker 3: kind of what I was thinking. You know, if I 169 00:07:53,013 --> 00:07:55,173 Speaker 3: can get my book published with my name on the cover, 170 00:07:56,013 --> 00:07:57,853 Speaker 3: it would be a special thing in my life, something 171 00:07:57,893 --> 00:08:01,653 Speaker 3: I've achieved. I never envisaged, because you know, very few 172 00:08:01,653 --> 00:08:04,053 Speaker 3: authors get to the level of success that I've had, 173 00:08:04,813 --> 00:08:07,053 Speaker 3: and I wasn't really thinking in those terms when I 174 00:08:07,093 --> 00:08:08,093 Speaker 3: first started at all. 175 00:08:08,293 --> 00:08:10,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be like, it must be such a 176 00:08:10,813 --> 00:08:13,013 Speaker 2: buzz to travel around the world to come to a 177 00:08:13,053 --> 00:08:14,813 Speaker 2: place like New Zealand. I think you see your all 178 00:08:14,853 --> 00:08:17,933 Speaker 2: time record for book signings the last time you were 179 00:08:17,933 --> 00:08:20,333 Speaker 2: here in christ it's two and a half thousand people 180 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:23,173 Speaker 2: lining up to the book sign It must have ben 181 00:08:23,253 --> 00:08:26,453 Speaker 2: incredible experience to see that kind of love. 182 00:08:27,013 --> 00:08:29,373 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was funny because I did this tour. 183 00:08:29,413 --> 00:08:31,533 Speaker 3: It was a seventeen day tour. It was new I 184 00:08:31,573 --> 00:08:33,453 Speaker 3: think I was three days in New Zealand and twelve 185 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:36,133 Speaker 3: days in Australia. And the publishers, you know, when they're 186 00:08:36,133 --> 00:08:38,693 Speaker 3: paying your airfare and they're playing your hotel there, they 187 00:08:38,773 --> 00:08:41,133 Speaker 3: want to work your hard. And I just remember that 188 00:08:41,253 --> 00:08:44,893 Speaker 3: signing and it was an amazing thing and I did 189 00:08:45,093 --> 00:08:47,013 Speaker 3: as I say, definitely the biggest signing I've ever done 190 00:08:47,173 --> 00:08:49,013 Speaker 3: was in New Zaland and I was just signing and 191 00:08:49,053 --> 00:08:51,133 Speaker 3: signing books and kids were turning up with five or 192 00:08:51,133 --> 00:08:53,613 Speaker 3: six books and it was amazing that it happened. But 193 00:08:53,693 --> 00:08:56,093 Speaker 3: I must have been while it was happening. I was 194 00:08:56,213 --> 00:08:59,173 Speaker 3: just absolutely exhausted. I think it was like the tenth 195 00:08:59,253 --> 00:09:01,013 Speaker 3: day of the tour and there were just so many 196 00:09:01,053 --> 00:09:02,853 Speaker 3: people and you're trying to be happy, and you know 197 00:09:02,933 --> 00:09:04,573 Speaker 3: people have queued up a long time to see you 198 00:09:04,573 --> 00:09:07,453 Speaker 3: when you want to make them happy, but a big 199 00:09:07,453 --> 00:09:09,933 Speaker 3: book signing like that can be absolutely exhausting. 200 00:09:10,173 --> 00:09:12,893 Speaker 2: Yeah. I can only imagine you're going back to your 201 00:09:12,893 --> 00:09:15,413 Speaker 2: publisher and saying, I'm heavy to do the book signing, 202 00:09:15,493 --> 00:09:17,253 Speaker 2: but the next book's going to take an extra month 203 00:09:17,293 --> 00:09:19,973 Speaker 2: because I've got terrible cramp. It's all throughout my arrest. 204 00:09:20,053 --> 00:09:21,253 Speaker 2: I'm going to be able to type. 205 00:09:23,253 --> 00:09:25,933 Speaker 3: I'm left handed, so when I sign books, I always 206 00:09:25,933 --> 00:09:28,253 Speaker 3: get ink all over my hand. I'm a proper messy 207 00:09:28,533 --> 00:09:29,933 Speaker 3: and that I look at my hand at the end 208 00:09:29,973 --> 00:09:31,973 Speaker 3: of these book signers and it's just like this massive 209 00:09:32,013 --> 00:09:32,533 Speaker 3: blue ink. 210 00:09:32,973 --> 00:09:36,413 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Do you do you learn about your audience? 211 00:09:36,453 --> 00:09:37,933 Speaker 2: We go to those live of the inso you know, 212 00:09:38,373 --> 00:09:41,813 Speaker 2: having the kind of the in life interactions with your 213 00:09:42,173 --> 00:09:44,293 Speaker 2: with your readers, do you learn about them in ways 214 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:47,413 Speaker 2: that you don't with your kind of vociferous communications with 215 00:09:47,453 --> 00:09:48,133 Speaker 2: them online. 216 00:09:49,173 --> 00:09:51,973 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's I mean, these days it's it's 217 00:09:52,333 --> 00:09:54,853 Speaker 3: kids message me on Instagram and they send me your 218 00:09:54,853 --> 00:09:57,773 Speaker 3: messages through my website, and it is actually quite nice 219 00:09:57,813 --> 00:10:01,733 Speaker 3: to get that feedback and really see how you know, 220 00:10:01,773 --> 00:10:03,453 Speaker 3: how they react. And I think when kids have that 221 00:10:03,533 --> 00:10:05,693 Speaker 3: degree of remoteness, when you meet them at a book signing, 222 00:10:05,893 --> 00:10:09,133 Speaker 3: they're not belief very polite. You know, they're quite excited. 223 00:10:09,173 --> 00:10:11,533 Speaker 3: It's a novel experience. They want to get their book signed, 224 00:10:11,693 --> 00:10:14,133 Speaker 3: but actually when they email you or when they've got that, 225 00:10:14,253 --> 00:10:16,933 Speaker 3: you know, that degree of separation from the author, that's 226 00:10:17,013 --> 00:10:19,533 Speaker 3: when they're a bit more honest about how they really feel. 227 00:10:19,773 --> 00:10:22,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, there's no kind of filter, right, 228 00:10:22,893 --> 00:10:26,053 Speaker 2: there's no Mam or Day appearing over the shoulders and saying, oh, 229 00:10:26,133 --> 00:10:29,893 Speaker 2: that's not the nicest thing to say. I know, there's 230 00:10:29,893 --> 00:10:31,493 Speaker 2: been a lot of you know, there's always been kind 231 00:10:31,533 --> 00:10:34,893 Speaker 2: of a lot of talk about the possibility of The Recruit 232 00:10:34,933 --> 00:10:36,493 Speaker 2: being turned into a film. Is that going to happen? 233 00:10:36,573 --> 00:10:38,293 Speaker 2: Do you think sometimes soon? How would you feel about that? 234 00:10:39,373 --> 00:10:41,893 Speaker 3: I've been telling the same joke for so long now, 235 00:10:42,293 --> 00:10:44,293 Speaker 3: and I've been saying for you. You know, the Cherub 236 00:10:44,373 --> 00:10:47,253 Speaker 3: film has been two years away for the last twenty years, 237 00:10:48,213 --> 00:10:51,973 Speaker 3: and the project is still very active getting I'm going 238 00:10:52,013 --> 00:10:55,453 Speaker 3: to meetings, I'm chatting to people. Scripts have been worked on, 239 00:10:55,933 --> 00:10:58,853 Speaker 3: there have been various actors assigned, and it always just 240 00:10:58,933 --> 00:11:02,733 Speaker 3: goes on and on and on, and it's quite frustrated 241 00:11:02,733 --> 00:11:05,813 Speaker 3: in a way. And I don't know. I think it 242 00:11:05,853 --> 00:11:09,333 Speaker 3: will happen and someday. I'm a natural optimist, but I'm 243 00:11:09,333 --> 00:11:10,453 Speaker 3: not going to have I'm not going to. 244 00:11:10,453 --> 00:11:13,373 Speaker 2: Say when yeah, fair enough. Well, look, Robert, we are 245 00:11:13,853 --> 00:11:17,533 Speaker 2: delighted that the ninth in your robin Hood series, Fury 246 00:11:17,653 --> 00:11:21,253 Speaker 2: Fire and Frost, is being published and we look forward 247 00:11:21,293 --> 00:11:22,813 Speaker 2: to having you back in New Zealand and hopefully the 248 00:11:22,813 --> 00:11:24,973 Speaker 2: next time you hear you can break that record once again. 249 00:11:26,413 --> 00:11:29,093 Speaker 3: I certainly very much hope, So thanks for having me on. 250 00:11:29,493 --> 00:11:31,413 Speaker 2: That is Robert MUCHA Moore, his latest book in that 251 00:11:31,533 --> 00:11:35,413 Speaker 2: robin Hood series, Fury Fire and Frost. Try and say 252 00:11:35,453 --> 00:11:38,773 Speaker 2: that four Times Fast is out now. 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