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Speaker 1: Afternoon, Speaker Jerry Browne has suggested that he thinks the

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Speaker 1: Mary Party MPs are being punished too harshly. He said,

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Speaker 1: no one's ever been suspended from Parliament for twenty one days.

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Speaker 1: The max thus far is three. It's very severe and

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Speaker 1: unprecedented to be punished like this, and he's recommended Parliament

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Speaker 1: that it doesn't It was reminded rather Parliament that it

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to do what the Privileged Committee says, but

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Speaker 1: can actually change the punishment. David Carter is the former

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House. David, Hello, Hi, Are you surprised

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Speaker 1: he said this?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I am. His job was to send it to

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Speaker 2: the Select Committee, to the Privileges Committee, which is the

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Speaker 2: most powerful select committee in Parliament. His job then, in

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Speaker 2: my mind, is to report the findings of the Select Committee.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised that he'd make the comments of the as.

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Speaker 1: Any any idea what would have come over him?

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Speaker 2: Well, he obviously thinks the penalties are too severe. If

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Speaker 2: I'd been there, I would probably have argued that the

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Speaker 2: penalties weren't severe enough. Why But Jerry's job is to

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Speaker 2: report it back to Parliament and for Parliament now decide

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Speaker 2: whether to accept the select Committee report.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think they're not harsh enough?

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Speaker 2: I've never seen behavior like this. The standards of Parliament

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Speaker 2: are dropping significantly. We used to have a democracy that

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Speaker 2: we're proud of. But when you rewatch what happened in

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Speaker 2: that Harker and the intimidating behavior of those the co

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Speaker 2: leaders of the Barley Party, that is unacceptable. And then

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Speaker 2: to refuse to appair before the Privileges Committee again is

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Speaker 2: yet another contempt of the rules of Parliament.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that precedent is a consideration here? Not

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Speaker 1: just what they've done, but the suggestion that they are

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Speaker 1: going to do it again or rather deterred, is a consideration?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Is it a consideration? Do you need to punish them

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Speaker 1: harshly enough to stop them doing it again?

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Speaker 2: I think that's why the Privileges Committee has ruled that

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Speaker 2: the penalty should be where they are. Bear in mind,

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Speaker 2: the Mary Party and the Green Party on that Privileges

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Speaker 2: Committee would argue that there has been no contempt. Labor

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Speaker 2: did acknowledge that there has been contempt by the actions

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Speaker 2: of these two members of Parliament. Their only argument is

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Speaker 2: that the penalties too severe. The Privileges Committee is made

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Speaker 2: up that represents the composition of Parliament, so the majority

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Speaker 2: of them, without doubt accepted contempt occurred. The only argument

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Speaker 2: now is the severity of the penalty.

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Speaker 1: David, do you think I mean there's some argument coming

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Speaker 1: through on the text machine that Jerry needs to take

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Speaker 1: responsibility for the standards in the House because actually quite

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Speaker 1: a lot has happened under him. We've had Julian Genter's behavior,

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Speaker 1: we've had the sea bomb, we've had the Hucker. Is

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Speaker 1: he to blame for any of this?

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Speaker 2: It's very difficult to be the Speaker. You've got to

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Speaker 2: make decisions which are instant. I think the standards have

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Speaker 2: dropped considerably and Jerry, therefore, as Speaker has responsible to

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Speaker 2: lift those standards again. He had an opportunity with the

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Speaker 2: penalties that have been passed out by the Privileges that

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Speaker 2: he I'm surprised that he would choose them to criticize

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Speaker 2: him so soon after the reports tabled in Parliament.

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Speaker 1: David, thank you for your time. Always appreciated. This is

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Speaker 1: David Carter, the former Speaker. For more from Hither Duplessy

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