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Speaker 1: Many grounded in the face of this rising conflict, which

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Speaker 1: to that I heard yesterday, our Defense Minister Judith Collins

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Speaker 1: has a couple of Air Force planes on standby to

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Speaker 1: this as someone who used to work on them. Good

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Speaker 1: buddy of mine, Captain Grant Stewart, got a great job for.

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Speaker 2: The new Hurts, the new Lockheed Martin super Js. And

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Speaker 2: I mean I've spent five years on forty squadron, purely

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Speaker 2: a transport squadron. They've been in all sorts of campaigns

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Speaker 2: from World War Two right up to Operation and during Freedom,

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Speaker 2: on the H model, so they were retired last year.

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Speaker 2: Sixty years of amazing service. But now we've got these

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Speaker 2: new what do you do see one thirty super Js,

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Speaker 2: which are a little bit different. They kind of look

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Speaker 2: like a herb but one of the defining features of

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Speaker 2: them as propellers, they got these big six blade composite

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Speaker 2: props on them. So we've got the four engines and

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Speaker 2: although they're different. They've gone English guys, and they've got

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Speaker 2: D three ends and so they're about forty seven hundred

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Speaker 2: shaft pools power each. But the other defining feature on

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Speaker 2: the big underwing external tanks on it, so it's got

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Speaker 2: what a great job, you know. I think they've got

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Speaker 2: two of them on standby is contingency from Fanulpai, which

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Speaker 2: is where forty squadron are based, and they will make

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Speaker 2: the journey which is around I believe fifteen thousand k

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Speaker 2: so what's that nine thousand miles. It's going to take

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Speaker 2: four thousand k's.

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Speaker 1: Or oh that's what I was going to ask. Can

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Speaker 2: No, they won't make it in one go. It'll be

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Speaker 2: three hops if they did it that way. So they'll

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Speaker 2: do they'll do two or three hops with reserve and

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Speaker 2: But they snip along. They get a long at about

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Speaker 2: muck point five eight, so it's around three hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty three hundred and fifty nine. Its four hundred and

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Speaker 2: ten mile an hour, beautiful piece of kit. And the

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Speaker 2: other the finally difference in them as well is that

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Speaker 2: and they have a loadmaster. There's no flight engineer, which

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Speaker 2: is what I was. There's no navigator because it's all

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Speaker 2: electronic now, all glass what we call glass cockpit.

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Speaker 1: So it degree to fly these things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, pretty much anyone at primary school because there

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Speaker 2: are system's operator now, although you know, I often said

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Speaker 1: A herk and that's lo and behold, that's what's happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So should that phone call come you mentioned there be

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that what we have normally done in

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Speaker 2: and they won't be loaded heading over and they're noisy.

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Speaker 2: They're really noisy inside you'd have your air upide. But

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Speaker 2: if you had a pilot that knew that you were

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Speaker 2: positive gen their negative g nick minute you're floating, but

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Speaker 1: It's not often we're venturing into an active war zone.

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Speaker 2: Definitely heightened the winness. They do carry flares, not the

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Speaker 2: ones like you and I wear. These are actually flares

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Speaker 2: that they discharge out of the thing that can actually.

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Speaker 1: If a missile comes for them, yes.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: And what they also do is they do technical landers

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Speaker 2: probably do six nine, maybe eleven, maybe twelve degrees straight

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Speaker 2: will be totally aware of that. Anyway, there might be

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Speaker 2: I would expect that that could be the case. We

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Speaker 1: Area just keeping we get some friendly wing men that

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Speaker 1: and gooses and gooses that would be reassuring. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: Heightened risk awareness obviously. But forty Squadron are the ones

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Speaker 2: for the job. And you know the keywis and we

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Speaker 2: know strangers to going into conflict zones and.

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Speaker 1: So we trained for this, We trained for this, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for this, well, that's some confidence as well. A couple

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Speaker 1: that there's thousands of kiwis over there that could require

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Speaker 1: some trenk sport. Are these things capable of moving that

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Speaker 2: You'd probably find I think they can move these ones

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Speaker 2: around one hundred and twenty eight people or ninety eight

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Speaker 1: It's going to take a few trips.

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Speaker 2: Then it will take a few trips. But I think

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Speaker 2: in the meantime, you know, we'll just get over there

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Speaker 2: an assess the situation and see what's happening. But and

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Speaker 2: it's a great it's great for the new birds too.

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Speaker 2: It helps them run in and the old days you

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Speaker 2: It'll bed them in of it. So a great effort

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Speaker 2: by government right down through the royals on the Air Force,

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Speaker 2: defend mod and forty Squadron.

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Speaker 1: Certainly the obligation to look after New Zealand citizens. Can

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Speaker 1: you give us an idea of what this operation will cost.

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Speaker 2: Oh I couldn't. I could, And to even tell you

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Speaker 2: an hour, So I'm sure that you could probably put

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's they're sucking a lot of the kerosene.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what the cost will be, but

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the government would will will be soaking that up.

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Speaker 2: And again it's gred on the world stage. So no,

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Speaker 2: as the red phone goes, I got all the confidence

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Speaker 2: in the world with forty squad and with the hrks.

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Speaker 2: Of course we've got three other hrks here as well,

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Speaker 2: new ones, and then we've got the two Boeing seven

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Speaker 2: five sevens is.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, well, actually that's a good point. If a

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Speaker 1: hurt can only take one hundred people at a time,

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Speaker 1: why are we not sending a larger plane?

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Speaker 2: I think because of the tactical capabilities of the hercules,

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Speaker 2: So maybe they're looking at sending the seven fives. I

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Speaker 1: Well that's one the Prime Minister rides on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, yeah, so the Bowings, the Buing seven five sevens,

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Speaker 2: and you know that they do go us or unserviceable

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Speaker 2: a lot because they're not used that much. And a

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Speaker 2: nearliner like that has used to be plowing almost twenty

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Speaker 2: four sevens.

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Speaker 1: If I'm wanting to get out of an active ward zone,

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Speaker 1: I want something that's guaranteed to work, mate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean, And if I get the call

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Speaker 2: up and that you have one chipmunk, the nineteen fifty

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Speaker 2: chipmunks that don't fly, I can take one person if

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Speaker 2: they've only got the toilet bag and maybe one pair

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Speaker 2: of shorts.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful. Appreciate your time, Captain Grant.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Luke, all the very best