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Speaker 1: Barrisobersen your political correspondence with us.

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Speaker 2: Now, how Barry, good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: How are we not following the UK in recognizing Palestine

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Speaker 1: as a state?

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Speaker 2: Well, we will eventually, I mean clearly, Winston Peter has

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Speaker 2: made that clear right from the beginning that the two

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Speaker 2: state solution is the end should be the end result.

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Speaker 2: But of course in the meantime, this dreadful situation has

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Speaker 2: happened in Gaza, and the problem with it is that

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Speaker 2: it's seen as using Palestine as a bargaining chip, and

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Speaker 2: I guess in a way that's what is happening. But look,

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Speaker 2: label was asking Winston Peters in the house this afternoon

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Speaker 2: why we weren't following the British example. Peter's found himself

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Speaker 2: agreeing with Simon Court that's from the act party when

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Speaker 2: it comes to recognizing Palestine.

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Speaker 3: If we are recognize the state of Palestine, if he

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Speaker 3: even wants to know that what we are recognizing is

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Speaker 3: a legitimate, representative, viable political entity.

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Speaker 4: We're recognizing the state of Palestine before Hamas has returned

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Speaker 4: the hostages and laid down their weapons. Constitute a reward

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Speaker 4: for exit terrorism.

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Speaker 3: That's most likely how it'll be interpreted that very condition

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Speaker 3: is part of the request that we are making by

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Speaker 3: way of demands that they give back the hostages.

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Speaker 2: See, and there's no way Palestine could ever be recognized

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Speaker 2: whilst the hostages are there. And I don't. And so

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Speaker 2: Kis Starmer is not saying that either. He's saying there's

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Speaker 2: got to be a cessation of what's going on from

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Speaker 2: the Israeli side.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so what you're saying, is k one of Kis

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Speaker 1: Starmer's I guess contingencies for this is not that the

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Speaker 1: hostages are back. Well, it's only forcing Israel's hand, Yes

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Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, that's fair enough. I do understand that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So what's Willie Jackson got to say about these changes

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Speaker 1: to electoral.

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Speaker 2: You'll never die not knowing what Willie Jackson thinks, will

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Speaker 2: you really? As usual, no one left in any doubt

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Speaker 2: about Willie Jackson what he thought about the changes, particularly

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Speaker 2: the one requiring people to enroll thirteen days out of

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Speaker 2: an election. Jackson called the coalition government rotten and a

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Speaker 2: useless government. Well that was the starters before he launched

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Speaker 2: into entirerade about what he really thought.

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Speaker 5: Never before in my political life have I seen a

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Speaker 5: new Zealand government actively suppressed the vote. I rise today

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Speaker 5: to heat criticism and contempt upon the government for passing

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Speaker 5: voter suppression rules as egregious as this, and it's racist

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Speaker 5: dis enfranchisement. I don't know what's more offensive, the gerry

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Speaker 5: mendering of their voting rules to wreck the election or

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Speaker 5: the Deputy Prime Minister referring to six hundred thousand people

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Speaker 5: as dropkicks. Every key We of conscience, no matter what

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Speaker 5: their political persuasion, should denounce this and denounce mister Seymour.

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Speaker 5: I said before, and I'll say it again. He is

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Speaker 5: the most dangerous politician of the last generation. And surely

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Speaker 5: mister Speaker not only a disgrace as the Deputy Prime Minister,

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Speaker 5: but surely the biggest rock kick of all.

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Speaker 2: Like I say, you're never left thinking or wondering what

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Speaker 2: Willie Jacksons play bingo?

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Speaker 1: With everything there? Jackson bis is a disgrace. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: what do you make of Kiwi Bank being partially privatized.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's interesting, isn't it? Because look, the under capitalization

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Speaker 2: of Kiwi Bank means that it's a bit player when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the four big Australian banks. And I

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Speaker 2: think it's a great move that you know, this bank

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Speaker 2: is going to be a bank to be more reckoned with,

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Speaker 2: although to take on those Big four is going to

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Speaker 2: be really difficult. But the Government will still own fifty

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Speaker 2: one percent of the bank minimly, and so it means

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Speaker 2: that it still will be a government bank to an extent.

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Speaker 2: But the interesting thing to me is that the bank

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Speaker 2: is run by Kiwi Group Capital. Now the chair of

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Speaker 2: that is David MacLean, who is the former c of Westpac.

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Speaker 2: And there's always been an argument as to key we

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Speaker 2: back never being big enough to do the government's business

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Speaker 2: and west Pack has got that job and has had

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Speaker 2: that job since nineteen eighty nine when it was given

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Speaker 2: to it by Roger Douglass. Before that, interestingly, it was

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Speaker 2: the Bank of New Zealand and of course we flogged

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Speaker 2: that off to the Australian so it's no longer ours,

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Speaker 2: so they didn't do the job. But it's a massive jobs,

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Speaker 2: from paying benefits to you know, looking after public service salaries.

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Speaker 2: So you can imagine what west Pack is making out

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Speaker 2: of this contract. And I think it's good that David

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Speaker 2: McLain is the man that will be at the center

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Speaker 2: of this bid to get what five hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: into the bank, and you know who knows. Further down

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Speaker 2: the track, we may see this bank becoming the official banker,

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Speaker 2: and it should be the government owns it. The Australians don't.

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Speaker 2: Why shouldn't we have them as our banker?

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Speaker 1: You use it, don't you.

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Speaker 2: I'm most certainly do loyal to New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and how do you find their service nowadays?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely magnificently.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe a word coming out of your mouth. Okay,

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Speaker 1: very sober, Senior political corresponder.

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