WEBVTT - NZH Presents: Mr Asia - A Forgotten History 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:06.280 Hilda. 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.480 I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the front Page, a 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:15.880 daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. For much 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.439 of the nineteen seventies, Marcy Johnstone operated as one of 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:25.080 New Zealand's most notorious drug dealers. Dubbed mister Asia by journalists, 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.880 Johnstone rose from North Shore menswear salesman to head of 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.680 a global heroin empire, but his life at the top 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:37.000 was short lived. In November nineteen seventy nine, his mutilated 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.440 body was found in a quarry in Lancashire, England. It 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:42.880 was just twenty seven years old when he was murdered, 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.120 killed by his best friend Andy Mayer. The epic rise 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.000 and rapid fall of one of the country's most infamous 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.440 drug gangs is retold in Mister Asia A Forgotten History, 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.800 a six part podcast series from The New Zealand Herald 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:02.560 and Bird of Paradise Productions. Here's a snippet from episode one, 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:08.000 when Terry met Marty. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.479 Just a warning here. The series features adult language drug 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.639 use in descriptions of violent crime, including assault and murder. 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:35.119 So we're coming down a lane that's called Too Good Lane, and. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:40.319 There's some houses here which look reasonably recently built, and 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:45.400 I'm trying to imagine that forty five years ago it 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:50.640 would have been quite rural and quite remote. There's no 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.760 from what I can see, there's no street lights, are 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:55.280 very few street lights. 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:59.000 It's a very narrow English country road. It's a two 0:01:59.080 --> 0:01:59.560 lane road. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.760 The hours of octoberteenth, nineteen seventy nine, a brown jag 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:08.160 Urix J six drove along this road. It's isolated just 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.520 outside a small town called Truly in the north of England, 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.520 at least than twenty minutes from the neighboring cities of 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.800 Manchester and Liverpool. There were two men in the front seats, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.440 the driver and this passenger cousins, both British, but in 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.520 the boot of the car was the body of another 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:27.200 man in New Zealand. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:28.320 What's it saying? 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:29.959 What scuba diving? 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:31.240 Yeah? Got it? 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:32.240 That's it? 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.359 Is it saying del scuba Diving Center? 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:34.600 Yet? 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:35.079 That's it? 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:36.119 Yeah? 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.400 I thought we were going forever asy center. 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:40.000 Well I think they. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.280 I mean, they do a bit of leisure here, they 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:43.280 do a bit of diving. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.080 But it's not really the weather for it is this? 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.919 Nor What have you got it? 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:48.520 I do? 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:50.119 I have an umbrella in my bag. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:51.080 Of course I do, but. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:55.040 I came from Ireland, so I start with me, Oh 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.000 my goodness, it's pouring. 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:58.800 Yeah, so we just wait a minute. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:00.359 I'm just going to consult my ma. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:03.520 Instiniches of. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.680 The driver and the dead man had first met each 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.639 other in the early nineteen seventies when they were both 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.560 around twenty years old. That'd worked together in New Zealand 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.800 and around the world, run close enough over the years 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.560 for the driver to name the firstborn child after the 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:22.320 man in the boot. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.359 Did you ever hear about the poorly handless corpse? 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:31.000 So in nineteen seventy nine a body was found. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:34.720 In the Delf by these two recreational divers. These two 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.920 guys used to dive on the weekend and they thought 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.200 it was a tailor's dummy sitting on a ledge about 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.880 twenty feet down, but it was actually a man who 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:44.360 had been. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:49.120 Killed earlier that night. The driver, Andy Maher, had shot 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.800 his best friend, twenty seven year old Marry Johnston twice 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.360 in the back of the head, killing him. He then 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.720 stabbed him multiple times in the stomach, looking to prevent 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:04.480 jomp then floating up from his watery grave. Then mar 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.480 cut off Johnston's heads and basted his face with a hemmer, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.480 aiming to break his teeth. He'd done this in the 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:18.120 hope of avoiding identification of the body. Finally, Andy May 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.520 had come here with his cousin to throw his friend's 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.360 corpse into the flooded quarry Edigleston delf. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.320 They said they were taking him up to Scotland for 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.760 a meat with I think a connection in Glasgow who 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.400 could help him sell heroin, because that's what they were selling. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.760 And they killed him on the way, dumped him here. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.880 And the thing is, if they had dumped him a 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.960 meter to the left, it's sixty meters deep there and 0:04:59.000 --> 0:04:59.560 he never. 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.159 Would have been so it was kind of bad luck 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:02.680 good luck. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:04.840 So I think what I'm going to do is go 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.919 inside and ask now, just to fact check myself for 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:13.080 a second, what I meant to say was sixty feet deep, 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.760 not sixty meters, And the connection in Glasgow was from 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:21.000 marijuana rather than heroine. And look, sorry about the tone here. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.119 It feels a bit gleeful listening back. But I've only 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.920 just met Ben. He's a charter driver. I found him 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.839 through my cousin who uses him to go to Liverpool matches. 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.120 I've asked him to bring me here to this random place. 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.440 And now I'm talking about a handless corpse, but I'm 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:42.320 trying to be nice, trying to make it seem normal. Anyway, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.520 we're here at Eccleston delf and while it's actually very 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:51.440 beautiful birds and trees and water and flowers, it also 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.359 feels kind of creepy when you know what happened. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.800 Okay, So now I'm walking up towards the cliff face, 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:07.440 which looks familiar from the Lancashire police photos from nineteen 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:11.240 seventy nine of them masked at the spot where the 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.680 body was found. And remember when the body was initially found, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.520 they didn't oh whose it was. It just didn't have 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:22.159 any hands and was quite grotesquely wounded, and by all. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.240 Accounts back in nineteen seventy nine, this was a dumping ground, 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.480 a disused quarry that had filled up with water at first. 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.279 Then old cars and rubbish divers weren't even supposed to 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.080 be here. The visibility was terrible and it was actually. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:39.680 Dangerous anyway, Heroin or marijuana sixty meters is sixty feet. 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.240 If the body had missed the ledge that sticks out 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.080 just at this point it wouldn't have been discovered until 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:51.880 years later when they eventually drained Eccleston delf and who 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:52.960 knows what that might have. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.800 Meant, But they did find it, and when they found 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.040 out who he was, it standed a manhut that led 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.240 to one of the biggest cour cases in English history 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.800 and a Royal Commission of Inquiry of unprecedented scope in 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:08.080 Australia and New Zealand, because while the dead man's name 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.320 was Mailey Johnston, on the other side of the world 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.360 he was known as mister Asia. 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.680 It's a tale of killer drugs earning countless millions of 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.400 pearls for a syndicate whose members had a strange tendency 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.440 to suddenly disappear off the face of the earth, sometimes 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.760 to turn up again in the most brittly circumstances. 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.640 From Bird of Paradise Productions and the New Zealand Herald, 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:39.640 this is Mister Asia, a forgotten history. I'm Noel mccausen and. 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.920 I'm John Daniel. This is the story of some ordinary 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.840 Kiwis wanting to make their fortune, and they weren't too 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:47.520 fussy about how they did it. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.360 I think when the Mister Asa syndicate started, they were 0:07:58.480 --> 0:07:59.440 very entrepreneurial. 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.920 As they stepped up, they were the biggest in the world. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.400 You know, they had the biggest connections. Their choice of 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.000 business was always going to be a problem. That last 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.640 three years of my using was awful because every morning 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.520 I woke up, I wished I'd died in the night, 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.200 and I just think, fuck, can you have to start 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.119 all over again through another day. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.880 In the end, trust gave way to greed and the 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.120 dream became a nightmare of violence and betrayal. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.280 Julie was walking ahead, Terry dropped back. Then he just 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.200 falled out a gun, shut her in the back of 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.319 the head, and then said to Wayne, you're going to 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:38.520 help me burier otherwise you go too, And so Wayne did. 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:49.959 Episode one when Terry met Marty. The discovery of Mardie 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.480 Johnston's body in that flooded quarry in the north of 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.120 England was the beginning of the end for the Mister 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:59.360 Asia Syndicate. They were an international drug trafficking organization who 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.199 had made tens of millions of dollars in left behind 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:03.920 a trail of dead bodies. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.640 The syndicate had dozens of affiliated people in different roles 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.280 across at least three continents, but at its heart was 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:16.400 the relationship between Marty Johnston and the man who ordered 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:22.280 his murder, another New Zealander, Terry Clark. That relationship changed 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.760 the face of drug culture in New Zealand. Drugs went 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.319 from a cottage industry to a multi national business. 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.439 Yeah, it was absolutely a jump shift and you can 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.040 still see the effects playing out today. His GREEG Williams, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.120 the head of New Zealand Police's National Organized Crime Group, 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.960 speaking to The Herald in August of twenty twenty three 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.360 after another huge bust. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.480 So we have a large number of these transnational crime 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.960 quats across the world just wanting to pump drugs like 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.040 meth and petamine into communities like cows, and they're really 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.880 targeting New Zealand because we continue to pay some of 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.520 the highest prices in the world for meth and pedamine 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.880 and there's just mass of profits for them in this respect. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.800 In the years following the unraveling of the Mister Asia gang, 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.200 the Australian and New Zealand government set up a Royal 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:13.520 inquiry into drug trafficking, the focus being Terry Clark and 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.240 his associates. Over the course of nearly two years, the 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.920 Commission heard from more than five hundred witnesses, many of 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.240 them in secret to avoid retribution. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.800 Yeah, and we'll come back to the inquiry and the 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:30.240 unraveling because those huge numbers are important. Marty and Terry 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.320 are the central characters. But the way it works, it 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:38.280 spreads out and touches first dozens, then hundreds, then thousands 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.080 of people. Today around half of New Zealanders have tried 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.160 illegal drugs of some sort. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:48.000 Yes, sometimes just a homegrown joint for private use, but 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.719 often it's a purchase, meaning a dealer and in all 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:56.120 likelihood a system behind that out of sight running a 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:01.000 long way back through the hands of an organized criminal gang. Now, 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:05.040 over the last few decades this has become normalized, but 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.439 back in the day it wasn't really the case. 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.640 Yeah, so it help us get a hand on how 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:11.920 this all worked. We're going to talk to a few 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.440 Kiwis who will get to know over the course of 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.600 the series, people who were directly involved with the mister 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.480 Asia Gain but whose lives thread in and out of 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:21.160 that story. 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.480 And about seventy five seventy six, I remember going and 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.480 I got involved. I had a store at Cock Street 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.800 Market and making clothes by that stage, we were making 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.800 hippie dresses and stuff, and we would sort of go 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.720 down and pick up some pot to sell at the market. 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.120 I remember being down there and I was sitting there 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.120 and I think that's when Marty Johnson, that's when I 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.440 first met him. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.000 This is Malcolm who was running with a counterculture crowd 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.920 who grew a little dope on the side Dan and Coromandel. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.520 He came in with a couple of other guys and 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.400 they were all with black leather jackets on and shades, 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.000 and they looked at me and said, who these bunnies? 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:03.480 And we were sort of happy. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.560 So, you know, Malcolm is the same age as Marty. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.120 They're born less than a year apart, in nineteen fifteen, 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.880 nineteen fifty one. But Malcolm says they had a very 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.160 different outlook towards selling drugs. 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.120 They were business. They were doing business. We were just 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.719 having fun, you know, making enough money to be able 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.199 to have free drugs. You know, it was a means 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.199 to an end. These guys were serious. They were buying quantities. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.720 They didn't want anyone else to be seen and there, 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.199 and they resented our presence being there. You know, do 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.600 they look good? So they look well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:44.319 they looked well. I would say they looked like very 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.560 slick salesman. You know, no, not probably not even very 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.120 sex They looked like people out of a movie. Really, 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.640 you know, they just looked a little bit too sharp, 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.480 a little bit too well dressed, and you know, shiny 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.800 shoes and flash cars and stuff like that. 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:06.040 You know, it's not that surprising that the hippie guy 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:10.400 isn't a fan of Marty's look. Before he becomes mister Asia, 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.760 Marty Johnston is a men's wear retailer on Queen Street 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.360 in downtown Auckland. That's where he meets Andy Maher. They 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.040 work together at a place called Collars and Cuffs, and 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.920 all the way through the nineteen seventies people will be 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:28.320 struck by the expensive clothes he wears. The nineties killed, 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.720 he's wearing a handmade French silk shirt, a very high 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:33.760 end watch that costs as much as a car. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.719 His dad ran men's wear stores in Auckland. And he's 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.880 a good looking guy too, quite tall six foot one 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.600 and a half according to his police file, is hazel build, 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:49.560 solid distinguishing marx an appendix scar on his abdomen and 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.640 a scar on the right side of his head. 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.440 Yeah, and that police file from November nineteen seventy six 0:13:55.600 --> 0:14:00.199 says those men's wear businesses were successful and quote there 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:04.080 is obviously some wealth in the family. Madi Johnson had 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.160 grown up on a farm just south of Auckland. Then 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.440 the family had moved into the city and had gone 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.839 to Takapuna Grammar on the north Shore. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.760 This in prestigious alumni from Takapuna Grammar. Sir Peter Bleak 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.360 of America's cop theme was a couple of years ahead 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:19.400 of Marti in school. 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.960 Yes, and sailing will come into the story in a 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.720 big way in the next episode. After school, Madey goes 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.200 into the menswick game, as we mentioned, but he's also 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.640 doing a little petty crime on the side. Busted in 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.000 nineteen sixty eight for burglary. 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.880 Untaffed, but he doesn't go to prison. He's just sixteen 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:38.240 seventeen years old. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.320 And then he stays out of trouble for a bit 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:44.160 before being convicted in nineteen seventy three for possession of 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.120 a single marijuana plant. It is flat, but again he 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:51.480 avoids jail and then doesn't keep busted again at all. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.440 He does have a close call in nineteen seventy five. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.800 But just looking at this internal police file from late 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.800 nineteen seventy six, the cops say, quote, it is thought 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.000 that he is possibly not very bright, but quite cunning. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.160 And at this point nineteen seventy five, nineteen seventy six, 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.360 that's where Malcolm's meeting him at the Cook Street market 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.080 and Marty Johnston has been running a relatively low level 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.320 marijuana operation that is starting to ramp up. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.560 Yeah, he's clearly ambitious. Police file is standing to get 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.360 quite thick. They're obviously aware of him in our recording, 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.360 things like his implications to carry money overseas because they 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.200 know he's involved in drug dealing, even if they can't 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:32.240 pin anything on them. 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.040 And it's important to note that difference that Malcolm brought 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.960 up earlier. These guys who were checking him out of 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:43.280 the Cook Street market in central Auckland, Marty, probably Andy Maher, 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.960 one or two others, they're not really part of the counterculture, 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.200 no doubt they think they're cool, but they also have 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:58.000 quite conservative ambitions around respectability, particularly Marty without middle class 0:15:58.400 --> 0:15:59.960 north Shore grammar school back. 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.080 Just looking at his business card, he's Mattin Johnson Esquire 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.600 the Esquire is a bit of an affectation, and that's 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.560 what his codename or nickname in the organization is Esquire, 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.360 so other people have noticed. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.120 It's also the name of one of his dad's menswear stores. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:21.200 And Maddie yearns for that classic middle class success, the 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.360 opposite of the Hippi mentra of turn on, tune and 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.960 drop out. He wants money and power, and so he's 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.280 really serious about selling drugs in a way that hasn't 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.240 previously been done here in New Zealand. 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.200 That's right, they're dealing to make a profit with a 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:47.000 sophisticated international supply chain. Anyway, early in the nineteen seventies, Malcolm, 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.600 the hippie guy from the market who'd been selling grass 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:54.600 alongside dresses, he'd been busted trying to sell four tabs 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.040 of acid to offset costs of a trip to Nelson. 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.440 He was sent to jail for six months. 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:02.880 Terry Clark was in there, and I think he was 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.040 in there for. I don't think it was a drug charge. 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:07.639 I'm not sure what he was in Weetacher for. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.679 But can you tell me what your first impressions of 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.800 Terry Worre? Do you remember when you met him first, 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:15.040 what you thought. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:19.880 Used car salesman. That's what I thought. I just thought, 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.720 I've heard this stack before. This is the used car salesman. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.040 He's you know, he just had the stack. He had 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.199 the rap, he had the rave, but he didn't do drugs, 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:29.840 not to my knowledge. 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.479 So again, unsurprisingly, Malcolm the hippie is not impressed by 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.040 a guy who's pretty straight and starting to set himself 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.080 up as someone who thinks he could be a big deal. 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.720 He just had a swagger about him and that he 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.120 was he was above us all. He was on some 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.520 kind of elite level that we couldn't attain. You know. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.840 That's what I felt about him, that he just he 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.040 had tickets on himself. 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.000 Malcolm's recollections of Terry Clark might be colored by what 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.119 happened over the coming years, because the innocence of the 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.600 drug scene would be gone forever by the end of 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:03.320 the decades. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.159 It changed. And I mean there was a young girl 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.919 who was a woman who was sort of involved in 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.880 the commune down in coramand who called the OHU down there, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:14.960 and she was a lovely young thing. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.639 Malcolm's talking about a woman called Barbara who used to 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:19.760 date his friend Bruce. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.240 Anyway, Bruce said, we're going to go and visit Barbara, 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.000 and I said, oh god, where this is Tokyo bath House. 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.159 And we went to Tokyo bath House and she was 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.800 she was a hooker, you know, And I was going, 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.119 what the hell's going on there? And apparently she lost 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.560 she had had a bag of drugs and lost it. 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:38.960 She had to pay it off on her back and 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.600 she had to work for this this alway house to 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:43.720 pay the money back. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:45.960 And did you know who she was doing that for? 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.440 It was definitely typed some way, or rather to Terry 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.760 Clark here. And I met the woman who ran that place, 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:57.280 a woman who ran all the girls that owe Terry 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.560 money there, and she said no, she said, yeah, we're 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.560 a woman who were victims and there were people like 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.480 me who were enforcers. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.720 That was the first part of episode one of Mister 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:16.040 Asia A Forgotten History. 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