1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Hilda. 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the front Page, a 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. For much 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 2: of the nineteen seventies, Marcy Johnstone operated as one of 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 2: New Zealand's most notorious drug dealers. Dubbed mister Asia by journalists, 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: Johnstone rose from North Shore menswear salesman to head of 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: a global heroin empire, but his life at the top 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: was short lived. In November nineteen seventy nine, his mutilated 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: body was found in a quarry in Lancashire, England. It 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: was just twenty seven years old when he was murdered, 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: killed by his best friend Andy Mayer. The epic rise 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: and rapid fall of one of the country's most infamous 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: drug gangs is retold in Mister Asia A Forgotten History, 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: a six part podcast series from The New Zealand Herald 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: and Bird of Paradise Productions. Here's a snippet from episode one, 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: when Terry met Marty. 17 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 3: Just a warning here. The series features adult language drug 18 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,639 Speaker 3: use in descriptions of violent crime, including assault and murder. 19 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: So we're coming down a lane that's called Too Good Lane, and. 20 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 4: There's some houses here which look reasonably recently built, and 21 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 4: I'm trying to imagine that forty five years ago it 22 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 4: would have been quite rural and quite remote. There's no 23 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: from what I can see, there's no street lights, are 24 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 4: very few street lights. 25 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: It's a very narrow English country road. It's a two 26 00:01:59,080 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: lane road. 27 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: The hours of octoberteenth, nineteen seventy nine, a brown jag 28 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: Urix J six drove along this road. It's isolated just 29 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: outside a small town called Truly in the north of England, 30 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: at least than twenty minutes from the neighboring cities of 31 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: Manchester and Liverpool. There were two men in the front seats, 32 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: the driver and this passenger cousins, both British, but in 33 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: the boot of the car was the body of another 34 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: man in New Zealand. 35 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 5: What's it saying? 36 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 6: What scuba diving? 37 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 7: Yeah? Got it? 38 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 8: That's it? 39 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 5: Is it saying del scuba Diving Center? 40 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: Yet? 41 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 9: That's it? 42 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 7: Yeah? 43 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: I thought we were going forever asy center. 44 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: Well I think they. 45 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 5: I mean, they do a bit of leisure here, they 46 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 5: do a bit of diving. 47 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: But it's not really the weather for it is this? 48 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: Nor What have you got it? 49 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 4: I do? 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 5: I have an umbrella in my bag. 51 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: Of course I do, but. 52 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 9: I came from Ireland, so I start with me, Oh 53 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 9: my goodness, it's pouring. 54 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we just wait a minute. 55 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 5: I'm just going to consult my ma. 56 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: Instiniches of. 57 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: The driver and the dead man had first met each 58 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 3: other in the early nineteen seventies when they were both 59 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: around twenty years old. That'd worked together in New Zealand 60 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: and around the world, run close enough over the years 61 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: for the driver to name the firstborn child after the 62 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: man in the boot. 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: Did you ever hear about the poorly handless corpse? 64 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 5: So in nineteen seventy nine a body was found. 65 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: In the Delf by these two recreational divers. These two 66 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: guys used to dive on the weekend and they thought 67 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: it was a tailor's dummy sitting on a ledge about 68 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: twenty feet down, but it was actually a man who 69 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: had been. 70 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: Killed earlier that night. The driver, Andy Maher, had shot 71 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: his best friend, twenty seven year old Marry Johnston twice 72 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: in the back of the head, killing him. He then 73 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: stabbed him multiple times in the stomach, looking to prevent 74 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: jomp then floating up from his watery grave. Then mar 75 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: cut off Johnston's heads and basted his face with a hemmer, 76 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: aiming to break his teeth. He'd done this in the 77 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: hope of avoiding identification of the body. Finally, Andy May 78 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 3: had come here with his cousin to throw his friend's 79 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: corpse into the flooded quarry Edigleston delf. 80 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: They said they were taking him up to Scotland for 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: a meat with I think a connection in Glasgow who 82 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: could help him sell heroin, because that's what they were selling. 83 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: And they killed him on the way, dumped him here. 84 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: And the thing is, if they had dumped him a 85 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: meter to the left, it's sixty meters deep there and 86 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: he never. 87 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 9: Would have been so it was kind of bad luck 88 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 9: good luck. 89 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 5: So I think what I'm going to do is go 90 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 5: inside and ask now, just to fact check myself for 91 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 5: a second, what I meant to say was sixty feet deep, 92 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 5: not sixty meters, And the connection in Glasgow was from 93 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 5: marijuana rather than heroine. And look, sorry about the tone here. 94 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,119 Speaker 5: It feels a bit gleeful listening back. But I've only 95 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 5: just met Ben. He's a charter driver. I found him 96 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 5: through my cousin who uses him to go to Liverpool matches. 97 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 5: I've asked him to bring me here to this random place. 98 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 5: And now I'm talking about a handless corpse, but I'm 99 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 5: trying to be nice, trying to make it seem normal. Anyway, 100 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 5: we're here at Eccleston delf and while it's actually very 101 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 5: beautiful birds and trees and water and flowers, it also 102 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 5: feels kind of creepy when you know what happened. 103 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 9: Okay, So now I'm walking up towards the cliff face, 104 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 9: which looks familiar from the Lancashire police photos from nineteen 105 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 9: seventy nine of them masked at the spot where the 106 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 9: body was found. And remember when the body was initially found, 107 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 9: they didn't oh whose it was. It just didn't have 108 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 9: any hands and was quite grotesquely wounded, and by all. 109 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: Accounts back in nineteen seventy nine, this was a dumping ground, 110 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 3: a disused quarry that had filled up with water at first. 111 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 3: Then old cars and rubbish divers weren't even supposed to 112 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: be here. The visibility was terrible and it was actually. 113 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 5: Dangerous anyway, Heroin or marijuana sixty meters is sixty feet. 114 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 5: If the body had missed the ledge that sticks out 115 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 5: just at this point it wouldn't have been discovered until 116 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 5: years later when they eventually drained Eccleston delf and who 117 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 5: knows what that might have. 118 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: Meant, But they did find it, and when they found 119 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: out who he was, it standed a manhut that led 120 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: to one of the biggest cour cases in English history 121 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: and a Royal Commission of Inquiry of unprecedented scope in 122 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: Australia and New Zealand, because while the dead man's name 123 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: was Mailey Johnston, on the other side of the world 124 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 3: he was known as mister Asia. 125 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 6: It's a tale of killer drugs earning countless millions of 126 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 6: pearls for a syndicate whose members had a strange tendency 127 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 6: to suddenly disappear off the face of the earth, sometimes 128 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 6: to turn up again in the most brittly circumstances. 129 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 5: From Bird of Paradise Productions and the New Zealand Herald, 130 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 5: this is Mister Asia, a forgotten history. I'm Noel mccausen and. 131 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: I'm John Daniel. This is the story of some ordinary 132 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: Kiwis wanting to make their fortune, and they weren't too 133 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: fussy about how they did it. 134 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 8: I think when the Mister Asa syndicate started, they were 135 00:07:58,480 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 8: very entrepreneurial. 136 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 7: As they stepped up, they were the biggest in the world. 137 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 5: You know, they had the biggest connections. Their choice of 138 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 5: business was always going to be a problem. That last 139 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 5: three years of my using was awful because every morning 140 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 5: I woke up, I wished I'd died in the night, 141 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 5: and I just think, fuck, can you have to start 142 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,119 Speaker 5: all over again through another day. 143 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: In the end, trust gave way to greed and the 144 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: dream became a nightmare of violence and betrayal. 145 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 8: Julie was walking ahead, Terry dropped back. Then he just 146 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 8: falled out a gun, shut her in the back of 147 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 8: the head, and then said to Wayne, you're going to 148 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 8: help me burier otherwise you go too, And so Wayne did. 149 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 3: Episode one when Terry met Marty. The discovery of Mardie 150 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: Johnston's body in that flooded quarry in the north of 151 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: England was the beginning of the end for the Mister 152 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: Asia Syndicate. They were an international drug trafficking organization who 153 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 3: had made tens of millions of dollars in left behind 154 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: a trail of dead bodies. 155 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 5: The syndicate had dozens of affiliated people in different roles 156 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 5: across at least three continents, but at its heart was 157 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 5: the relationship between Marty Johnston and the man who ordered 158 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 5: his murder, another New Zealander, Terry Clark. That relationship changed 159 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 5: the face of drug culture in New Zealand. Drugs went 160 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 5: from a cottage industry to a multi national business. 161 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was absolutely a jump shift and you can 162 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: still see the effects playing out today. His GREEG Williams, 163 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: the head of New Zealand Police's National Organized Crime Group, 164 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 3: speaking to The Herald in August of twenty twenty three 165 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: after another huge bust. 166 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 10: So we have a large number of these transnational crime 167 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 10: quats across the world just wanting to pump drugs like 168 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 10: meth and petamine into communities like cows, and they're really 169 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 10: targeting New Zealand because we continue to pay some of 170 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 10: the highest prices in the world for meth and pedamine 171 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 10: and there's just mass of profits for them in this respect. 172 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 5: In the years following the unraveling of the Mister Asia gang, 173 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 5: the Australian and New Zealand government set up a Royal 174 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 5: inquiry into drug trafficking, the focus being Terry Clark and 175 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 5: his associates. Over the course of nearly two years, the 176 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 5: Commission heard from more than five hundred witnesses, many of 177 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 5: them in secret to avoid retribution. 178 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll come back to the inquiry and the 179 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: unraveling because those huge numbers are important. Marty and Terry 180 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: are the central characters. But the way it works, it 181 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: spreads out and touches first dozens, then hundreds, then thousands 182 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 3: of people. Today around half of New Zealanders have tried 183 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: illegal drugs of some sort. 184 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 5: Yes, sometimes just a homegrown joint for private use, but 185 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 5: often it's a purchase, meaning a dealer and in all 186 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 5: likelihood a system behind that out of sight running a 187 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 5: long way back through the hands of an organized criminal gang. Now, 188 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 5: over the last few decades this has become normalized, but 189 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 5: back in the day it wasn't really the case. 190 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it help us get a hand on how 191 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: this all worked. We're going to talk to a few 192 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: Kiwis who will get to know over the course of 193 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: the series, people who were directly involved with the mister 194 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: Asia Gain but whose lives thread in and out of 195 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: that story. 196 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 7: And about seventy five seventy six, I remember going and 197 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 7: I got involved. I had a store at Cock Street 198 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 7: Market and making clothes by that stage, we were making 199 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 7: hippie dresses and stuff, and we would sort of go 200 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 7: down and pick up some pot to sell at the market. 201 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 7: I remember being down there and I was sitting there 202 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 7: and I think that's when Marty Johnson, that's when I 203 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 7: first met him. 204 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 5: This is Malcolm who was running with a counterculture crowd 205 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 5: who grew a little dope on the side Dan and Coromandel. 206 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 7: He came in with a couple of other guys and 207 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 7: they were all with black leather jackets on and shades, 208 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 7: and they looked at me and said, who these bunnies? 209 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 7: And we were sort of happy. 210 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 5: So, you know, Malcolm is the same age as Marty. 211 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 5: They're born less than a year apart, in nineteen fifteen, 212 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 5: nineteen fifty one. But Malcolm says they had a very 213 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 5: different outlook towards selling drugs. 214 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 7: They were business. They were doing business. We were just 215 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 7: having fun, you know, making enough money to be able 216 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 7: to have free drugs. You know, it was a means 217 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 7: to an end. These guys were serious. They were buying quantities. 218 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 7: They didn't want anyone else to be seen and there, 219 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 7: and they resented our presence being there. You know, do 220 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 7: they look good? So they look well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 221 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 7: they looked well. I would say they looked like very 222 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 7: slick salesman. You know, no, not probably not even very 223 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 7: sex They looked like people out of a movie. Really, 224 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 7: you know, they just looked a little bit too sharp, 225 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 7: a little bit too well dressed, and you know, shiny 226 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 7: shoes and flash cars and stuff like that. 227 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's not that surprising that the hippie guy 228 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: isn't a fan of Marty's look. Before he becomes mister Asia, 229 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: Marty Johnston is a men's wear retailer on Queen Street 230 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: in downtown Auckland. That's where he meets Andy Maher. They 231 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: work together at a place called Collars and Cuffs, and 232 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: all the way through the nineteen seventies people will be 233 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 3: struck by the expensive clothes he wears. The nineties killed, 234 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: he's wearing a handmade French silk shirt, a very high 235 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: end watch that costs as much as a car. 236 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 5: His dad ran men's wear stores in Auckland. And he's 237 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 5: a good looking guy too, quite tall six foot one 238 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 5: and a half according to his police file, is hazel build, 239 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 5: solid distinguishing marx an appendix scar on his abdomen and 240 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 5: a scar on the right side of his head. 241 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that police file from November nineteen seventy six 242 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 3: says those men's wear businesses were successful and quote there 243 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 3: is obviously some wealth in the family. Madi Johnson had 244 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: grown up on a farm just south of Auckland. Then 245 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: the family had moved into the city and had gone 246 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 3: to Takapuna Grammar on the north Shore. 247 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 5: This in prestigious alumni from Takapuna Grammar. Sir Peter Bleak 248 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 5: of America's cop theme was a couple of years ahead 249 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 5: of Marti in school. 250 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: Yes, and sailing will come into the story in a 251 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: big way in the next episode. After school, Madey goes 252 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: into the menswick game, as we mentioned, but he's also 253 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: doing a little petty crime on the side. Busted in 254 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight for burglary. 255 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 5: Untaffed, but he doesn't go to prison. He's just sixteen 256 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 5: seventeen years old. 257 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: And then he stays out of trouble for a bit 258 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: before being convicted in nineteen seventy three for possession of 259 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: a single marijuana plant. It is flat, but again he 260 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: avoids jail and then doesn't keep busted again at all. 261 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: He does have a close call in nineteen seventy five. 262 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: But just looking at this internal police file from late 263 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six, the cops say, quote, it is thought 264 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: that he is possibly not very bright, but quite cunning. 265 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 5: And at this point nineteen seventy five, nineteen seventy six, 266 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 5: that's where Malcolm's meeting him at the Cook Street market 267 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 5: and Marty Johnston has been running a relatively low level 268 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 5: marijuana operation that is starting to ramp up. 269 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's clearly ambitious. Police file is standing to get 270 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: quite thick. They're obviously aware of him in our recording, 271 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 3: things like his implications to carry money overseas because they 272 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: know he's involved in drug dealing, even if they can't 273 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: pin anything on them. 274 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 5: And it's important to note that difference that Malcolm brought 275 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 5: up earlier. These guys who were checking him out of 276 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 5: the Cook Street market in central Auckland, Marty, probably Andy Maher, 277 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 5: one or two others, they're not really part of the counterculture, 278 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 5: no doubt they think they're cool, but they also have 279 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 5: quite conservative ambitions around respectability, particularly Marty without middle class 280 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 5: north Shore grammar school back. 281 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 3: Just looking at his business card, he's Mattin Johnson Esquire 282 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: the Esquire is a bit of an affectation, and that's 283 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 3: what his codename or nickname in the organization is Esquire, 284 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: so other people have noticed. 285 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 5: It's also the name of one of his dad's menswear stores. 286 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 3: And Maddie yearns for that classic middle class success, the 287 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 3: opposite of the Hippi mentra of turn on, tune and 288 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: drop out. He wants money and power, and so he's 289 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: really serious about selling drugs in a way that hasn't 290 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: previously been done here in New Zealand. 291 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 5: That's right, they're dealing to make a profit with a 292 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 5: sophisticated international supply chain. Anyway, early in the nineteen seventies, Malcolm, 293 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 5: the hippie guy from the market who'd been selling grass 294 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 5: alongside dresses, he'd been busted trying to sell four tabs 295 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 5: of acid to offset costs of a trip to Nelson. 296 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 5: He was sent to jail for six months. 297 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 7: Terry Clark was in there, and I think he was 298 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 7: in there for. I don't think it was a drug charge. 299 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 7: I'm not sure what he was in Weetacher for. 300 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 5: But can you tell me what your first impressions of 301 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 5: Terry Worre? Do you remember when you met him first, 302 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 5: what you thought. 303 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 7: Used car salesman. That's what I thought. I just thought, 304 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 7: I've heard this stack before. This is the used car salesman. 305 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 7: He's you know, he just had the stack. He had 306 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 7: the rap, he had the rave, but he didn't do drugs, 307 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 7: not to my knowledge. 308 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 3: So again, unsurprisingly, Malcolm the hippie is not impressed by 309 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 3: a guy who's pretty straight and starting to set himself 310 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: up as someone who thinks he could be a big deal. 311 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 7: He just had a swagger about him and that he 312 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 7: was he was above us all. He was on some 313 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 7: kind of elite level that we couldn't attain. You know. 314 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 7: That's what I felt about him, that he just he 315 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 7: had tickets on himself. 316 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 5: Malcolm's recollections of Terry Clark might be colored by what 317 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 5: happened over the coming years, because the innocence of the 318 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 5: drug scene would be gone forever by the end of 319 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 5: the decades. 320 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 7: It changed. And I mean there was a young girl 321 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 7: who was a woman who was sort of involved in 322 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 7: the commune down in coramand who called the OHU down there, 323 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 7: and she was a lovely young thing. 324 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 5: Malcolm's talking about a woman called Barbara who used to 325 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 5: date his friend Bruce. 326 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 7: Anyway, Bruce said, we're going to go and visit Barbara, 327 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 7: and I said, oh god, where this is Tokyo bath House. 328 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 7: And we went to Tokyo bath House and she was 329 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 7: she was a hooker, you know, And I was going, 330 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 7: what the hell's going on there? And apparently she lost 331 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 7: she had had a bag of drugs and lost it. 332 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 7: She had to pay it off on her back and 333 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 7: she had to work for this this alway house to 334 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 7: pay the money back. 335 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 5: And did you know who she was doing that for? 336 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 7: It was definitely typed some way, or rather to Terry 337 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 7: Clark here. And I met the woman who ran that place, 338 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 7: a woman who ran all the girls that owe Terry 339 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 7: money there, and she said no, she said, yeah, we're 340 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 7: a woman who were victims and there were people like 341 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 7: me who were enforcers. 342 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: That was the first part of episode one of Mister 343 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: Asia A Forgotten History. All six episodes are out now 344 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: and available on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts. 345 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: The Front Page will be back with a new episode 346 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: on Monday.