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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather dupless Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to

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Speaker 1: News Talks Evy.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're going

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Speaker 3: to get an expert opinion on whether we should be

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Speaker 3: getting a little optimistic about peace between Hamas and Israel.

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Speaker 3: Former Maori Party leader to Uudor Flavel on that drama

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Speaker 3: today and everyone's favorite ag economist Jacqueline Roweth on the

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Speaker 3: Nesley News.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Ellen, Well, it's happened again.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the Maori Party has hijacked Parliament once again with

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Speaker 3: a hukker. It played out like this or any kaiper

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Speaker 3: who's their new MP, who's replacing the late Tash Takatai

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Speaker 3: Takatai tash KEMP delivered her maiden speech because today's her

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Speaker 3: first day in Parliament obviously, and afterwards there was a

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Speaker 3: song and the public gallery was involved, and she stepped

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Speaker 3: out of her seat into the aisle onto the floor

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Speaker 3: to receive the song. As soon as the song ended,

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Speaker 3: someone and it sounded like it was somebody up in

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Speaker 3: the public gallery, started to hucker. He started to hucker back.

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Speaker 3: I think from news reports that I've read that one

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Speaker 3: of the other MP's hand AFTERTI might be cluck also

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Speaker 3: started to hucker. Jerry Brownlee, the speaker said on no,

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Speaker 3: not that, and he said that was not the agreement

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Speaker 3: that had been struck. But they didn't stop. They basically

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Speaker 3: ignored him. He got to his feet, at which point

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Speaker 3: the house is usually supposed to stop everything it's doing

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Speaker 3: and go quiet to allow him to speak. They just

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Speaker 3: completely ignored him. He threw his hands in the air.

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Speaker 3: He then suspended the house, walked off and the camera

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Speaker 3: feed cut. He's comeback subsequently, very unhappy about it, and

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Speaker 3: I'm going to bring you up to speed and all

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Speaker 3: of that now. The thing is, though, before you get

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Speaker 3: angry about it, don't bother wasting energy on being angry

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Speaker 3: at the Maori Party for doing this, because that's a

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Speaker 3: kin to wasting energy on getting angry at an alcoholic

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Speaker 3: for getting drunk if you put beer in front of them,

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Speaker 3: or getting angry at a toddler for packing a tantrum

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Speaker 3: if they're tired. This is what the Maori Party does, right.

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Speaker 3: This is the stuff that they thrive on. They thrive

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Speaker 3: on performance. They thrive on sticking the middle finger to authority.

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Speaker 3: It's basically what they would call their co poppa. I'm

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Speaker 3: just surprised that Jerry brownly got hoodwinked so easily into

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Speaker 3: making an agreement with them and thinking this wouldn't happen,

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Speaker 3: or maybe he didn't, or maybe someone in Parliament didn't

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Speaker 3: get hoodwinked, because it looks like someone was prepared for this.

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Speaker 3: As soon as that haucker started, the Cameron never cut

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Speaker 3: back to the Maori Party or the Gallery. It stayed

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Speaker 3: on Jerry and as soon as he suspended Parliament, the

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Speaker 3: feed cut. Now what that means is you never really

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Speaker 3: see the Maori Party doing the hucker or anyone doing

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Speaker 3: the hkker. You can just kn't of hear it in

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Speaker 3: the background, but you can't see it. That basically robs

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Speaker 3: the Maori Party of the ability to do what they

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Speaker 3: did previously. Strip the crisp professional parliamentary tvfe'ed, put it

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Speaker 3: on their social media and hope the thing goes viral.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to happen this time because that footage

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Speaker 3: is not there for them now. It is not ideal. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: having Parliament's rules broken like this for obvious reasons, but

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Speaker 3: it is not unexpected. So I think given all things,

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Speaker 3: the best outcome may be the one that was achieved today,

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Speaker 3: which is just a blackout together do for ce Allen

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Speaker 3: nineteen is the text number standardext fees apply, let me

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Speaker 3: know what you thinking. I'm going to play you the

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Speaker 3: audio and just a tech. The Drug Foundation is calling

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Speaker 3: for all drugs in the country country to be decriminalized.

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Speaker 3: It's released a report this morning into fifty years of

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Speaker 3: our drug laws and deduced they don't work. Meth and

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Speaker 3: cocaine use has doubled in the last twelve to eighteen

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Speaker 3: months and there were around three fatal overdoses happening every

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Speaker 3: week last year. Fiona Hutton is Associate professor at Victoria

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Speaker 3: University's Institute of Criminology and It's investor. Now, hey, Fiona,

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Speaker 3: do you support decriminalization.

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Speaker 4: I do, Yes, I do support decriminalization. Why well, I think,

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Speaker 4: as the Drug Foundation laid out in their report, what

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Speaker 4: we're doing right now is not working at all. It's

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Speaker 4: not achieved its aims our Misuse of Drugs Act, and

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Speaker 4: we really need to do something different because what we're

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Speaker 4: doing is actually causing harm instead of stopping harm or

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Speaker 3: Causing harm, Well.

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Speaker 4: It's causing harm because, as noted in the report, things

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Speaker 4: like drug overdoses of rising addiction hasn't really been properly addressed.

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Speaker 4: Things like methanphetamine use are causing real harm in our communities.

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Speaker 4: And you know, people are being criminalized and so on

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Speaker 4: for minor offenses like cannabis possession, which you know stays

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Speaker 4: of evidence based report really says, look, we need to

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Speaker 4: do something different, and I agree. I think decriminalization would

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Speaker 4: be a good first.

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Speaker 3: As British Columbia and Canada and Oregon in the States

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Speaker 3: both tried to decriminalize in the hope that it would

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Speaker 3: turn around exactly what you've just talked to out. For example,

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Speaker 4: Well, I think those are really complex problems that they

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Speaker 3: Have the same problems here, which so we would have

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Speaker 3: the same outcome.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, I don't think so, because you're looking at

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Speaker 4: different sorts of drug issues in that context, and you're

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Speaker 4: don't forget that the problems in Canada and Oregon that

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Speaker 4: decriminalization was just one of the tools to try and

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Speaker 4: So we haven't got that scale of problem here. So

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Speaker 4: we need to act before we do, you know. And yes,

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Speaker 4: we have similar problems. You know, mental health and addiction

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Speaker 4: We need to do something, We need to do something different.

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Speaker 4: We need to make sure that we address these problems

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Speaker 4: So I think, you know, we need to make you know,

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Speaker 4: the silver bullet. It goes much wider than that, and

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Speaker 4: we need to We've left it too long already, right, right,

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Speaker 4: so we need to make sure these problems I really

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Speaker 3: It's been drama in the house. Fiona hasn't Associate professor

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Speaker 3: at Victoria University Institute of Criminology, Right, thank you very

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Speaker 3: much for that. You go, here's the hacker in the house.

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Speaker 5: Not that the guarantee was that would not be taking place.

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Speaker 6: Who's suspended.

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Speaker 7: At this point.

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Speaker 3: Jerry's stormed off and the camera is cut right, camera's cut,

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Speaker 3: but you can still hear it going on in the background.

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Speaker 3: Floor to Barvo, I mean no, not that what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Oh Jerry, Oh Jerry. Anyway, Barry Sober was hoting and

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Speaker 3: holler and when he was watching this live. So he's

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Speaker 3: going to be with us in about half an hour's time.

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Speaker 3: Give us his thought on it, and Jerry's rolling the

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Speaker 3: Hither I guess there order any kipit is starting a

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Speaker 3: guess you didn't have her phone ready for that one. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's off it. It's got to be a possibility, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters with us. Hello, Darcy

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Speaker 3: get a man. Did you find the thing that you're

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Speaker 3: looking for on your phone right now?

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Speaker 8: Another Ruckers in Parliament.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nice to see.

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Speaker 3: Are you looking for your betting as I was looking

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Speaker 3: for it?

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Speaker 8: Because of course the rat bet responsibly if you're going

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Speaker 8: to have a bit of a flourish. I watched the

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Speaker 8: Breakers finally win last night.

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Speaker 3: Were you excited?

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Speaker 8: Very excited? It wasn't just the fact that they won,

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Speaker 8: It was the manner in which they won. That's what

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Speaker 8: got me about it. They've been pretty rotten all season.

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Speaker 8: They were our and four going into that, Oh what

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Speaker 8: are you going to do? But they had like a

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Speaker 8: got it incredibly right last night against the reigning championships.

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Speaker 8: I'm y champions are the Elaworra Hawks, so they've they've

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Speaker 8: they've lifted things up dramatically. So there was a home game.

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Speaker 8: It was absolutely packed there. Well it looked like the

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Speaker 8: and to me, it looked like it might be a

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Speaker 8: team that's finally starting to realize its potential. Because you

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Speaker 8: remember they won the preseason blitz tournament, so they've got

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Speaker 8: a lot of talent and I think a lot of

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Speaker 8: So it was really coaching specific. But then a lot

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Speaker 8: wanted to talk about that because I'm trying to find

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Speaker 8: out what it costs to actually back them to win

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Speaker 8: the whole season, because I'm so enthusiastic.

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Speaker 3: Do you want do you want the German to see

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Speaker 3: if she can find out?

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Speaker 9: Wow?

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Speaker 8: Like I can't find it. She gambles, but I've got

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Speaker 8: I've got something else to play with, and I like

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Speaker 8: very very much because you know I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 8: It's what happens this weekend is a huge weekend of motorsport,

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Speaker 8: huge weeking favorite, and that's brought Phoenie three dollars thirty

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Speaker 8: Brady Sticky when last year is at four to seventy five.

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Speaker 8: But I think I like this option. It's seven dollars.

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Speaker 8: It's Matt Pain who's been tremendous all throughout the year

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Speaker 8: with Garth Tander who's got a great record there and

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Speaker 8: that's his co driver. So it's seven dollars. I think

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Speaker 8: that represents reasonably good coin.

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Speaker 3: How do you rate the chances of the White Ferns

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Speaker 3: winning tomorrow?

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Speaker 8: It's funny. I'm going to be talking to Craig McMillan

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Speaker 8: about that in the show tonight, about what aren't you've

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Speaker 8: got to rate them reasonably highly because you've got to

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Speaker 8: think that Susie Bates is not going to get a

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Speaker 8: third consecutive duck. She went through a stage of how

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the drugs are so addictive that if we didn't

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Speaker 3: Actually, that's a fair point. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 5: I suspended the house because of a disruption in the

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Speaker 3: Now he says he's going to try and find out

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Speaker 5: And when we have people coming into the house who

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Speaker 3: And then he makes a point which I think is fair,

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Speaker 5: Because people go on to Mariah all over the country

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now it's not all over for the Maori Party.

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Speaker 3: They're doing their big reset which I think is underway

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Speaker 3: release already said Paris is in trouble. I think Paris

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Speaker 2: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 2: like no one else us talk.

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Speaker 1: They'd be.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 3: The government's opened the books, will treasuries open? The book's

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Speaker 3: It never really is. At the moment. Also, we are

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Speaker 3: So we'll talk about that after five o'clock. Murray Olds

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Speaker 3: it's twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: So as I say, a peace steel has been reached

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I was just given a note by the Secretary

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Speaker 1: So I would take a couple of more equations.

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Speaker 3: And now the peace agreement has now been confirmed by

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Speaker 11: The whole world came together to be honest, so many

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Speaker 12: They came together.

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Speaker 3: Many are urging all parties to respect the deal's terms,

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Speaker 3: and Trump's expected to head to Egypt, where the mediation

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Speaker 3: has been taking a place. And finally, thank the Good Lord,

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Speaker 7: Well check to you.

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Speaker 3: I'm working hard here.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not ready to die yet. I don't think

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Speaker 4: God is through with me, and I ain't done working.

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand Business Murray.

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Speaker 3: Old's Australia correspondence with US. Now, how mus good afternoon, Heather,

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Speaker 3: Your federal government's welcome this Gaza piece.

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Speaker 14: there's a lot of stuff to happen before it's a

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Speaker 14: But all that's to come, Suffice to say for now,

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Speaker 14: towards peace. Australia goes on to wordial parties to respect

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Speaker 14: he says Albanzi in Gaza, You've got to secure a

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Speaker 14: over two years now. Dreadful horror, dreadful images every night

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Speaker 3: Has the Court of Appeal just banned that pro Palestine protest.

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Speaker 14: Baned it from going to the Sydney Opera House. There's

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Speaker 14: In this case they said no, too dangerous to public safety.

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Speaker 14: extreme risk to public safety. You've got maybe forty to

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Speaker 14: And the Court of Appeal says if you go down there,

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Speaker 14: you in court of that's what you want to do.

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Speaker 3: Must have someone else been shot dead in daylight?

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Speaker 1: Have they? This is ridiculous.

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Speaker 14: This is another one of these shootings. You know it's

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Speaker 14: Now you're not targeting mum and dad just walking home

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Speaker 14: So it's look, it's buddy, Hell has guns for hire, mate,

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Speaker 14: it's a mess and police are to make the best

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Speaker 14: to get on topic.

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Speaker 3: This really is I muz, thank you, look after yourself.

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Speaker 1: Ever due for see Allen.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how the Maori Party feels about its

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Speaker 3: on the Facebook live stream they have about ninety people watching.

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Speaker 3: That's nine zero nine beati. What about on the Insta though,

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Speaker 3: because I mean a lot of you know Facebook is

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Speaker 3: Facebook's dead, Facebook's for old people. No one uses Facebook anymore.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why you are. Do you want to

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Speaker 3: go on the insta and count how many people are

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Speaker 3: on there? Yes, she's going to do that. So this

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Speaker 3: is what we're about, accuracy, fairness and balance, aren't we

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Speaker 3: That's what everybody says about us. Anyway, Listen, I've got

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Speaker 3: to talk about the government books because this is not

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Speaker 3: great and I think I think if you've been following it,

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Speaker 3: you're not going to be impressed with.

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Speaker 12: This at all.

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Speaker 3: So what's happening is our debt is going up, and

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Speaker 3: it's going up and going up and going up, and

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Speaker 3: it's gone up in the last So this is according

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Speaker 3: to the financial statements for the year to June release

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Speaker 3: by Treasury today. Debt was last year one hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy five billion dollars or thereabouts. It is now one

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty two billion dollars and thereabouts. So what

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Speaker 3: that means is, not only do we have more debt,

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Speaker 3: but we also have to pay back more, don't we

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Speaker 3: because that interest bill is going up every time the

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Speaker 3: debt goes up. Revenue was up, well, let's say it's

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Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy billion dollars slightly higher than last year.

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Speaker 3: So that's good, mainly though, because of GST going up,

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Speaker 3: because of we're not going up, but because a greater

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Speaker 3: take of GST because you've been paying more than your

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Speaker 3: electricity bills. So that's really cool, isn't it. Expenses Government

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Speaker 3: expenses have gone up too. They are now at one

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty three and a half billion dollars. Now

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Speaker 3: you will notice for the eagle eyed, the eagle eye

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Speaker 3: will have spotted the problem right there. Expenses one hundred

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Speaker 3: let's round it down one hundred and eighty three billion

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Speaker 3: dollars revenue one hundred and seventy billion dollars. That's right,

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Speaker 3: that's your deficit right there. That's a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a problem, isn't it. When you're paying more than you're

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Speaker 3: bringing in, that's our structural defath. It an action right there.

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Speaker 3: That's the country's problem, is that every single year we

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Speaker 3: pay more than we bring in. And it's bigger this

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Speaker 3: year than last year, because last year it was eight

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Speaker 3: point eight billion dollars and now it's nine point three

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Speaker 3: billion dollars. Now, I don't think I need to say

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Speaker 3: the obvious thing to you, which is that this government

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Speaker 3: can blame the last government all it likes. But if

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Speaker 3: you are racking up the thing more and more, if

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Speaker 3: your debt is going up every end, if your structural

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Speaker 3: deficit is increasing every year, that's on you. Jeez, Barry

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Speaker 3: sober so keen, he's already in the studio. He's with

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Speaker 3: us next sixteen away from.

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Speaker 2: Five politics with centric credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 2: payments thirty listen.

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Speaker 3: They're not broadcasting this thing on Instagram, so it's just

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Speaker 3: just ninety people on Facebook Live. And also we have

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Speaker 3: to talk about the Tom Phillips update today. Right now,

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Speaker 3: it's thirteen away from five. Barry Sober, Senior political correspondence

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Speaker 3: with US Barry, good afternoon, Heather. Did you make of

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Speaker 3: what happened in parliament?

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Speaker 9: Well before that, ro We wide to Tea on the

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Speaker 9: Facebook feed, I think it is announcing their review of

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Speaker 9: the partying is well recent, Sorry of the party. I

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Speaker 9: think it was recent parliament this afternoon actually, but he said,

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Speaker 9: and I quote, since they've been in parliament, they've encountered

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Speaker 9: the vilest humans to ever walk the Spenawa. So that's

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Speaker 9: the flavor of the of the reset of the Maldi party.

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Speaker 9: But look, there was bedlam in parliament again today and

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Speaker 9: no doubt about it. The former broadcast Renny Kuiper. She

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Speaker 9: was giving her maiden speech, or about two more than

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Speaker 9: half of it was in Maldi. It went on for

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Speaker 9: more than twenty minutes, when the rules specifically say that

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Speaker 9: a maiden speech should be no more than fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 9: So the bell was ringing for five minutes, last five

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Speaker 9: minutes of his speech. And I've got to say after it,

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Speaker 9: she came to the floor when they were burst into

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Speaker 9: a waiata in the public galleries, and that was by

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Speaker 9: permission of the Speaker. Clearly she came to the barefooted,

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Speaker 9: to the center of the debating chamber and sort of

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Speaker 9: led the waiata and at the end of it, and

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Speaker 9: you can see it quite clearly, she went into huck

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Speaker 9: A mode. So even though they may have had an agreement,

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Speaker 9: the party knew full well.

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Speaker 3: I think it was orchestrated.

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Speaker 9: I've totally orchestrated. And you only have to look at

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Speaker 9: the video to see that. Here's the end of the

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Speaker 9: way art and the Speaker's response to it.

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Speaker 5: No, not that the guarantee was that would not be

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Speaker 5: taking place.

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Speaker 6: Who is suspended?

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Speaker 11: Nobody took any notice at all. Disrespectful, Oh, totally disrespectful.

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Speaker 11: I've never seen anything like it in Parliament. Honestly in

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Speaker 11: more than forty years. The House, as you say, was

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Speaker 11: suspended for more than half now. When it resumed, the

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Speaker 11: Speaker talked about that agreement.

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Speaker 5: No one member is more or less elected than anyone else,

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Speaker 5: and the time that the House allocates for anyone to

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Speaker 5: speak in here is by agreement. And when we have

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Speaker 5: people coming into the House who decide they are not

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Speaker 5: going to abide by their agreements, then they put themselves

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Speaker 5: in a contemptuous position. The behavior in the gallery was

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Speaker 5: contemptuous and as my intention over the next couple of

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Speaker 5: days to find out whether or not that was by

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Speaker 5: agreement with any party inside this house, because people go

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Speaker 5: on to Mariah all over the country and respect the protocols.

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Speaker 5: We have a protocol here. It is our Tea Kner

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Speaker 5: that Tea Cager is based, as I said before, on agreement.

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Speaker 3: It's true, though, how do you rate his chances though,

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Speaker 3: that they're going to actually face up to him a

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Speaker 3: year we all chestrated.

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Speaker 9: Well, no, you only have to look at the videos

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Speaker 9: I've done several times now to see that Ireny Carpara

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Speaker 9: kuiper knew exactly what was expected following the waiata because

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Speaker 9: she went into hukka mode and if they look at

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Speaker 9: that closely enough was orchestrated from the floor of the house.

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Speaker 3: What's hukka mode, Well, it's you know, she's pulling the pookanna, pulling.

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Speaker 9: The pookanna and waving her arms like the hakka, so

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Speaker 9: she will certainly doing it. So here's what the new

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Speaker 9: mp Copra had to say.

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Speaker 15: Great things everyone, I'm not going to stand here and

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Speaker 15: tell you about the impacts of colonization on far No

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Speaker 15: hapu Ewie and even on me. That story is well documented.

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Speaker 15: One only has to turn to the handsard to see

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Speaker 15: and plain black and white how this government and past

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Speaker 15: governments have perceived our people. Instead, I will speak of resilience,

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Speaker 15: the resilience of Mari, the resilience that has carried us

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Speaker 15: through generations of struggle and survivals. We are the culmination

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Speaker 15: of dreams, of purpose, of hard work and intention. We

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Speaker 15: are here by design. I've broken barriers, but now I

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Speaker 15: choose to break cycles. I've covered stories and now I

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Speaker 15: choose to change them.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, there you go.

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Speaker 3: Okay, listen. The Michael Forbes investigation has stated the bleedingly obvious,

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Speaker 3: hasn't it that the Prime Minister's office should have been told?

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Speaker 9: Well, just to refresh your listener's memory, Michael Forbes was

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Speaker 9: the press secretary in Chris Luckson's offers who was essentially

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Speaker 9: recording videos of sex workers in Wellington, and the police

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Speaker 9: had investigated it. They decided not to charge Michael Forbes,

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Speaker 9: so it was kept within the police precincts and the

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Speaker 9: office of the Prime Minister wasn't alerted. Now the Department

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Speaker 9: of Internal Affairs. They've done an investigation into it. They

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Speaker 9: say that there should be no surprises, and that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 9: I mean, you can't have a press secretary even if

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Speaker 9: the police decide not to charge.

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Speaker 3: Well, why, I mean there already is no surprise as

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Speaker 3: ll well, really that there should be no surprises rule,

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Speaker 3: it's that Andy Andy no warrant, cops, No, Andy did

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Speaker 3: know well, no, but it.

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Speaker 9: Wasn't Andy that was running. Basically, Richard Chambers came into

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Speaker 9: the job of November last year. So wasn't that this year?

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Speaker 9: Was it last year?

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Speaker 16: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think Andy was in charge when the hookers took

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Speaker 3: Michael's phone overnight or how over long Andy was in charge. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: the cops should have told the Prime Minister's.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, and I'd want to know if I was the

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Speaker 9: Prime Minister and somebody in my office was filming hookers,

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Speaker 9: I'd say, look, I have to know this.

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Speaker 3: Lord, honestly, Barry, thanks very much, appreciate it, Barry. So

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Speaker 3: for senior political correspondent, it's coming up seven away from five.

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Speaker 2: Hard Talk, Bold takes big stories. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 17: Oh cash right down two point five Chris smaller's ABC

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Speaker 17: Business Sales CEO. Does the world seem like a different place?

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Speaker 18: Do you?

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Speaker 12: Definitely? The benefit is important, but the more important thing

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Speaker 12: is the consumer. He's going to be more so it's

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Speaker 12: the mental left that it gives a business owner.

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Speaker 17: Nikola Willis the Finance Minister. The claim I think it

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Speaker 17: was from Laby THEBS doing the work for you, fair

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Speaker 17: or not?

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Speaker 3: No, the RBNZ is doing its job.

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Speaker 17: Do you think inflation will breach three? And if it does,

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Speaker 17: do you worry?

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Speaker 19: That is what some of the forecasters are telling us.

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Speaker 3: That would be temporary, a little blo.

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Speaker 4: It's okay.

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Speaker 3: What's not okay is.

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Speaker 4: Three years out of target as it was under the

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Speaker 4: last government.

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Speaker 17: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: Maybe's real Estate News Talk said, b.

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Speaker 3: Okay, just an update on this big Maori party reset.

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Speaker 3: Debing Aiwa Packer has just taken over and has something

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Speaker 3: to say.

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Speaker 20: We've been tested in ways we've never been tested before

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Speaker 20: as a movement, and we own that we have listened carefully.

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Speaker 20: Our people want direction, discipline and delivery, so we're tightening

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Speaker 20: the lastings, clarifying roles, front footing, communication and you'll see

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Speaker 20: it and you'll feel it.

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Speaker 3: To order or flavel whatever that means, by the way,

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Speaker 3: to order it or flavel is going to be This

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Speaker 3: former leader of the Maori Party is going to be

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Speaker 3: with us very shortly. Talk us through what's happened today

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Speaker 3: in the reset. Just quickly on Tom Phillips. Now, Tom

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Speaker 3: Phillips's parents have written a letter to their community apologizing

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Speaker 3: for what he did. It was given to the King

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Speaker 3: Country News and he says, they say, send sincere apology

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Speaker 3: for the loss of privacy and the inconvenience and the

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Speaker 3: property you know, caused by Tom. We in no way

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Speaker 3: supported him or agreed with any of his actions in

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Speaker 3: the past four years. Now, what I want to know

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Speaker 3: from this, because I think this is fascinating pr from them.

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Speaker 3: What I want to know is when they say they

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Speaker 3: never supported him, do they mean they never supported him

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Speaker 3: as in never approved of what he was doing. Or

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Speaker 3: do they mean they never supported him as in they

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Speaker 3: never dropped off casseroles to the bush for the kids

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Speaker 3: to eat.

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Speaker 14: Do you know?

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Speaker 3: Because there's a difference there anyway, Just set for.

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Speaker 14: What it is.

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Speaker 3: It's some pr going on right there. Anyway. Let's go

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Speaker 3: to Gaza. Well, let's go to an expert to explain

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Speaker 3: whether we should have hope for the situation in Gaza.

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Speaker 21: Next Newstalks at BAM.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can try tru to ask

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Speaker 2: the questions, We get the answers, find the fact and

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Speaker 2: give the analysis. Here the duplicy Ellen Drive with One

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Speaker 2: New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news talks

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Speaker 2: be afternoon.

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Speaker 3: There is hope that the Israeli hostages may be released

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Speaker 3: as early as this weekend. Hummus and Israel have agreed

655
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Speaker 3: to the first phase of the cease fire deal. This

656
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Speaker 3: is Trump's deal now. This means the hostages will be

657
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Speaker 3: released and Israeli troops will retreat from the front lines

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Speaker 3: of Gaza. Anasek Tit is a senior lecturer in Arab

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Speaker 3: and Islamic studies at the Australian National University and with

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Speaker 3: US high on US.

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Speaker 16: Hello, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: How do you rate the chances that the hostages will

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Speaker 3: be released this weekend?

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Speaker 16: Well, it is highly likely that Israeli captives in Gaza

665
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Speaker 16: and Palacinian prisoners held in Israeli detention camps and prisons

666
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Speaker 16: will also be released. It is also highly likely that

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Speaker 16: the agreement about the Israeli military withdrawing to a specific

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Speaker 16: line instead of Gaza will also be implemented in order

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Speaker 16: to facilitate the prisoners exchange. So this first step, which

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Speaker 16: is largely technical, will most likely be successful and will

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Speaker 16: be implemented over the next few hours or over the

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Speaker 16: next seventy two hours.

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Speaker 3: Rather, once Israel gets what it wants, which is its

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Speaker 3: hostages back, do you trust them to hold to the agreement?

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Speaker 16: I think the agreement has many ambiguous pillars, which include

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Speaker 16: the point that you're alluding to, which is the fact

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Speaker 16: that once Israel has the has its captives from Gaza,

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Speaker 16: that the war may be continued or the ongoing humanitarian

679
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Speaker 16: situation will continue to be at its trophic level or

680
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Speaker 16: as castrophic as it is right now. So there are

681
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Speaker 16: very little guarantees in the plan itself. However, the fact

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Speaker 16: that an agreement has been reached suggests that guarantees have

683
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Speaker 16: been put in place. In addition to that, the way

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Speaker 16: that this agreement has been communicated, whether it is by

685
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Speaker 16: the United States or various participants in the negotiations over

686
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Speaker 16: the past few days, the way that they have communicating

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Speaker 16: the communicated disagreement suggests that there are guarantees about other

688
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Speaker 16: plans or other pillars in this plan being implemented.

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Speaker 3: Now do we know if Hamas has There's a couple

690
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Speaker 3: of really curly things, right, do we know if Hamas

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Speaker 3: has agreed to give up its arms and has it

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Speaker 3: agreed to step back from governance future governance of the

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Speaker 3: Gaza Strip.

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Speaker 16: So other than the technical aspects about prisoners exchanges and

695
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Speaker 16: limited Israeli withdrawals instead of Gaza, and nothing has been

696
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Speaker 16: agreed yet. This includes the future of of the Gaza Strip,

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Speaker 16: the future of Palestinian quality there, the future of governance

698
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Speaker 16: in Gaza is also complete withdrawal from Gaza, the lifting

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Speaker 16: of the humanitarian blockade and so on. So this hasn't

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Speaker 16: been discussed at this stage, although as I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 16: there seems to be guarantees about at least these negotiations occurring.

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Speaker 16: But the most likely outcome is that the technical aspects

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Speaker 16: will be implemented, mainly about prisoners exchanges, and then the

704
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Speaker 16: political aspects will most likely forestall for a very long

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Speaker 16: period of time.

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Speaker 3: All right, honest, thanks very much on us Ektite, who's

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Speaker 3: the senior lecturer in Arab and Islamic studies. Just so

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Speaker 3: you know how this is being met. The news is

709
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Speaker 3: being met in Tel Aviv. As soon as the news

710
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Speaker 3: came through, families and friends of the hostages gathered together

711
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Speaker 3: and it was early morning for them and they chanted

712
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Speaker 3: Nobel Prize to Trump teen past.

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Speaker 1: Five, Heather do for Seli.

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Speaker 3: Parliament's being thrown into disarray again today with the Maori

715
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Speaker 3: Party again caught up an ohakka controversy at somewhat overshadowing

716
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Speaker 3: the party's big reset, which was supposed to change the

717
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Speaker 3: narrative after some pretty weird internal stuff. Former leader or

718
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Speaker 3: Flavel was watching the reset and it's with us high

719
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Speaker 3: it or he does it feel to you like an

720
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Speaker 3: error pulling the hakka stunt on this day?

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean, I don't know whether Ordini had any

722
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Speaker 12: part to play, and that I think it was accepted.

723
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Speaker 12: Protocols has always been to allow way to take place.

724
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Speaker 12: In the past, there's been hot to that it followed.

725
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Speaker 12: There hasn't been a big deal and I'm wondering why

726
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Speaker 12: even now that it is such a big deal. It's

727
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Speaker 12: simply a part of finishing off a way out. There's

728
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Speaker 12: nothing in it about it. Let it ride, it would

729
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 12: have finished and then everybody carry on seems to have

730
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Speaker 12: gone to another place. Unfortunately.

731
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Speaker 3: Now, what are you making of this reset? I mean,

732
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Speaker 3: it seems like it's stealing with a couple of things here.

733
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Speaker 3: The first is tightening up on discipline, in the second

734
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Speaker 3: is releasing policy and wanting to be taken seriously. Are

735
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Speaker 3: they actually going to tighten up on discipline? What does

736
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Speaker 3: that mean for Kappa Kini?

737
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Speaker 12: Well, as probably there's quite a lot of lot going

738
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Speaker 12: on in the party at the moment, and I think

739
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 12: the idea of reset is probably appropriate right now, bearing

740
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Speaker 12: in mind that there's been a few issues that they've

741
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Speaker 12: had to deal with over the last couple of months

742
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Speaker 12: or so, and there's an election coming around around the

743
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Speaker 12: around the corner in another year or so. They signaled

744
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Speaker 12: a desire to work with the Green and the Labor

745
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Speaker 12: Party and therefore probably does need to, I suppose, give

746
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Speaker 12: a different view about how they see their role in politics.

747
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Speaker 12: So it's a good move to have a reset, whether

748
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Speaker 12: that trans what that means in terms of translating into

749
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Speaker 12: policy gains, what means in terms of taking an approach

750
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Speaker 12: to the country and indeed reflecting the original cope of

751
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Speaker 12: the Party Maori, I think still remains to be seen.

752
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Speaker 3: Do you think Ken is safe in her position in

753
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Speaker 3: the party?

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Speaker 12: I think I think, well, who knows, but I think

755
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 12: she's done it. She has done a wonderful job. You know,

756
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Speaker 12: she's she's a Staunton in her beliefs and where she

757
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 12: wants to go, she's considered, she knows where she wants

758
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Speaker 12: to go, and of I've always enjoyed the interactions that

759
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Speaker 12: I've had with her because she she talks from a

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Speaker 12: real common sense position. So I mean, in the end,

761
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Speaker 12: there's there's a number of things with there's a number

762
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Speaker 12: of things even bringing nah hunnah forward. And as unfortunate

763
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Speaker 12: as you say that that things happen on today because

764
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Speaker 12: already had the moment and it was a big day

765
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Speaker 12: for her and her fino, and it could have been

766
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 12: about about more about that than anything else. But I mean,

767
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Speaker 12: at least there's a resetting and focusing on the future,

768
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Speaker 12: which hopefully will be the best interest for the party

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Speaker 12: in the country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, heye to order or thank you as always

771
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Speaker 3: order or level former Maori Party co leader Heather Do

772
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Speaker 3: for the album. So the guys at Sky and ins

773
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Speaker 3: I have released the viewing figures for the All Blacks

774
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Speaker 3: matches that in the last in this past season. And

775
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. We're still tuning in for tests,

776
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: aren't we? Like those are big numbers they're pulling. So

777
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Speaker 3: combining the tally and the streaming one close to one

778
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Speaker 3: point four million is more like one point oh gosh,

779
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Speaker 3: I can't remember I worked it out. One point My

780
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Speaker 3: maths is rubbish, like my geography and all my science.

781
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Speaker 3: One point six sish. I think a one point three

782
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Speaker 3: sixish or something like that million who tuned in to

783
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Speaker 3: watch the All Blacks take on the spring Box. That

784
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Speaker 3: was the most engaged audience that they saw. Now what

785
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: they mean by most engaged is basically how long we

786
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Speaker 3: stayed watching it for. We watched that one right to

787
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Speaker 3: the end, because obviously the All Blacks only watched that one,

788
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 3: only won that one by one converted try. So it

789
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Speaker 3: was it was a tight game and it was always

790
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Speaker 3: a bit here, he wasn't it. The most watched game

791
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Speaker 3: was actually the All Blacks versus the Wallabies, which was

792
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Speaker 3: on a couple of weeks later at Eden Park. That

793
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Speaker 3: got a viewing audience of one point two million, which

794
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Speaker 3: is not bad. Now, obviously we all know, right the

795
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Speaker 3: Wallabies ain't got nothing on the spring Box So the

796
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: question is, well, was the why was the Wallabies more

797
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Speaker 3: watched than the spring Box one? And well that would

798
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Speaker 3: of course been because remember the Warriors clash that happened

799
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Speaker 3: with the spring Box games. So there were a whole

800
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Speaker 3: bunch of people who chose the Warriors over the spring

801
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Speaker 3: Box match. And let that be a lesson to the

802
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Speaker 3: people who organize these kinds of things in the future,

803
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Speaker 3: which I think is the NRL actually quarter past. Hey,

804
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 3: how cool is this team up between Farmlands and BYD.

805
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806
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807
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808
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Speaker 3: holders can now use their cards at BYD dealerships across

809
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Speaker 3: the country. You have yourself some exclusive offers on all

810
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Speaker 3: BYD vehicles and servicing and for October only, if you

811
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812
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Speaker 3: you will get yourself a five hundred dollar charge net credit.

813
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Speaker 3: And if you do buy yourself a BYD, especially given

814
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Speaker 3: you're doing something on the land, obviously, can I recommend

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Speaker 3: that you take a good long look at that Shark

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Speaker 3: six ut. It's a perfect all rounder. You can use

817
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Speaker 3: it in town, you can use it on the farm.

818
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Speaker 3: And if you buy one, you can choose four thousand

819
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Speaker 3: dollars in either vehicle optional extras and accessories, or you

820
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Speaker 3: can just reduce what you pay by four thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: That four thousand dollars your weigh Shark six offer is

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Speaker 3: valid until the end of this month or while stocks

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Speaker 1: Heather duper Cy Alan, I'm going a little bit more.

826
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Speaker 3: Of Debbie to plays. It does sound very much like

827
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: Debbie is going. This is Debbie from the Marti Party

828
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: is going to work with the Labor Party and the

829
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Speaker 3: Greens a little bit more constructively. So standby will get

830
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: to it. At eighteen past five, got some new rules

831
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Speaker 3: for meth contamination of rental properties. The Housing Ministry has

832
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Speaker 3: determined that a house with meth levels of over fifteen

833
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: fifteen micrograms per one hundred square meters must be decontaminated,

834
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Speaker 3: and if the levels had double that thirty either the

835
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Speaker 3: landlord or the tenant can walk away from the lease

836
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: within a week. Now it still needs cabinet sign off,

837
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Speaker 3: but it's expected to come into force next year. Serena

838
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Speaker 3: Given is the director of Tenancy Advisory and with US

839
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Speaker 3: high Serena, Hey, Heather, how are you good? Thank you?

840
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Speaker 3: The sum like common sense to.

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Speaker 22: You, super common sends. And also, in fact, these levels,

842
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 22: or at least a fifteen micrograms level, has been in

843
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Speaker 22: place since US far back as twenty seventeen, and that's

844
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Speaker 22: the legal president's being set by the district courts, So

845
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Speaker 22: the tribunal have been applying that level for a number

846
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Speaker 22: of years now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so why are we letting it get to thirty?

848
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Speaker 3: What is thirty? Does that not denote that something more

849
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Speaker 3: serious has been going on in the property?

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Speaker 22: Yes, I think based on I'm pretty sure that based

851
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 22: on the science that we're aware of, thirty will give

852
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 22: a primer facie case of more likely than not there

853
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 22: had been manufacturing on site and it's deemed us more

854
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 22: contaminated and more more damaging and dangerous to the occupants

855
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Speaker 22: of the property.

856
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: In which case, why would a landlord have to give

857
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 3: the tenants seven days notice? I mean, they've been manufacturing

858
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: on site. Surely you want to kick them out within

859
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Speaker 3: the hour.

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00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 22: Yeah. Absolutely. And look the way the uninhibitability provision works

861
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 22: worth the RTA is that as long as the party

862
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Speaker 22: is not at fault. So in the case of a

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Speaker 22: tenant tenant cause contamination, the landlord gives a seven day notice.

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Speaker 22: The landlord can give noses. Tenant cannot give the notice

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Speaker 22: if the property was supplied to the tenant in the

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Speaker 22: first place. At over that thirty microgrammar level, it is

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Speaker 22: deemed us the landlord is the party at fault. The

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Speaker 22: tenant gives a two day notice to terminate and walk

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Speaker 22: away quickly. And that is that disparacy between the seven

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Speaker 22: and two days is really in line with other provisions

871
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Speaker 22: of the RTA. That essentially reflects that the primary purpose

872
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Speaker 22: of the RTA is a consumer protection piece and that

873
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 22: it is there ultimately to protect the tenants. So the

874
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Speaker 22: tenants walk away sooner and the landlord have a bit

875
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Speaker 22: more day, a few more days that they're going to

876
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Speaker 22: have to ride with the tenancy.

877
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Speaker 3: All right, Serena, thanks very much, appreciate it. Your take

878
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Speaker 3: on it, as Serena Gibbon, who is a tendency advisory director,

879
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: so as I was saying from this big reset that

880
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: the Malordi Party has done, it sounds very much like

881
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: the Maldi Party and debing Nada Wopaka want to be

882
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: taken a lot more seriously than they have.

883
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 20: We've stopped hearing our own solutions because we've been in

884
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 20: the storm of one of the worst our little environments

885
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 20: ever imaginable, and we got to commit to a common cause,

886
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 20: shared with the Greens and shared with Flavor, to make

887
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 20: this the last term of this government.

888
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 22: It's not because we.

889
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 20: Hate them, but because we love our people more.

890
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: This is these guys fighting to be included in the

891
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Speaker 3: next government. I'll be interested. I'll be surprised if that happens.

892
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: Leopards and spots and stuff like that. Five point twenty two.

893
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

894
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen

895
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite

896
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Speaker 2: mobile News talks the being.

897
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Speaker 3: Five point twenty four. Now, as we heard earlier in

898
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Speaker 3: the program, once again we have a call for the

899
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Speaker 3: decriminalization of drugs in New Zealand. This time it's coming

900
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Speaker 3: from the New Zealand Drug Foundation, who released a report

901
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: at Parliament this morning looking back at fifty years of

902
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: drug laws and deciding that the drug laws haven't worked

903
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 3: and therefore calling for the decriminalization of not just weed,

904
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: all drugs, P cocaine, speed, LSD, the whole bloody lot

905
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 3: of them. Now, look, I have some sympathy for the

906
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Speaker 3: argument that our drug laws are failing, because they clearly

907
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: are failing. I mean, we have more drug busts than ever,

908
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: and yet drug us is going up. But just because

909
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: the war on drugs isn't working, doesn't mean that the opposite,

910
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: being going soft on drugs, is going to work. These guys,

911
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: and pretty much everyone who champions decriminalization always uses Portugal

912
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: as an example of how beautifully it works. But what

913
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: about the places where it hasn't worked? Oregon, that's an example.

914
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: They decriminalized drugs there in twenty twenty and then they

915
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: reversed the decision four years later because of rising street

916
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: level disorder and to spike and overdose deaths. And what

917
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: about British Columbia and Canada another example, They tried it

918
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Speaker 3: for about a year twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four,

919
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: and they also decided to reverse it because basically the

920
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Speaker 3: same thing happened there, disorder overdoses, public frustration over drug

921
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: users openly using drugs in public places like parks. Now,

922
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 3: that is the reality of what would happen if no

923
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: one got in trouble for doing drugs, more drugs would

924
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Speaker 3: be done, and they would be done more openly, and

925
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: they would cause more harm. Now, in order for this

926
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: to even have a chance of working, right if we

927
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Speaker 3: decided yep, we're going to go for the decriminalization, in

928
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Speaker 3: order for that to even have a chance of working,

929
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: you would have the first massively invest in drug treatment,

930
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: which we're not going to do as a nice idea,

931
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Speaker 3: but we're not going to do it because we do

932
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Speaker 3: not have enough money to run hospitals for everyone, never

933
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Speaker 3: mind massively boosting specialized services for drug addicts. Now, I

934
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Speaker 3: suspect that most of us already know this, even just intuitively.

935
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Speaker 3: So I suspect that, yet again, this call will not

936
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Speaker 3: be taken seriously, Just like every other.

937
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Speaker 1: Time, either dupe Allen.

938
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Speaker 3: Winston has taken to calling the co leader of the

939
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Speaker 3: Greens Crowbar Chloe, which has an element of te about it,

940
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Speaker 3: so at least he's well, I mean, look, I'm sure

941
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Speaker 3: he's not enjoying the situation, but at least he's sort

942
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Speaker 3: of making the most of it.

943
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Speaker 13: Isn't he.

944
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Speaker 3: Uh now Nessleigh, as I told you earlier, has pulled

945
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Speaker 3: out of this methane reducing global alliance that they've been

946
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Speaker 3: part of. So we're going to talk to land Row

947
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Speaker 3: with about that. Very shortly. Got the huddle standing by,

948
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Speaker 3: Rob Campbell and Phil O'Reilly are going to be with

949
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: us and AI. Now you know that I love the AI.

950
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 3: I love the AI very much. But there is a

951
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Speaker 3: lot of chat going on, including this morning on Mike's program,

952
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: about whether AI is in fact a bubble. The Bank

953
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 3: of England has weighed into this and has declared that

954
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: year probably it does look a little bit like it

955
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: is a bubble and you need to be aware of it.

956
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 3: And there's some interesting numbers about that that I'm going

957
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: to run you through and then Sam Dickey will talk

958
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: us through it and whether he thinks it's a bubble.

959
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 3: In about an hour's time, News talks a b.

960
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Speaker 2: Whatever cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's

961
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Speaker 2: Heather duf c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage

962
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Speaker 2: like no one else news talks.

963
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Speaker 1: That'd be.

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00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 13: Heather having just been.

965
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Speaker 3: To San Francisco, people everywhere smoking dope and the bus drivers,

966
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Speaker 3: the taxi drivers says, or the whole lot of them.

967
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: What that meant is that the streets, well, this is

968
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Speaker 3: the non prosecution of addicts means the streets are full

969
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Speaker 3: of zombie stealing everything to pay for the addiction. And

970
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Speaker 3: John is obviously not a fan of it. See Brad Olsen,

971
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Speaker 3: by the way, is going to be with us after

972
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: six o'clock to talk us through the government's books which

973
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: open and as I told you, have shown us that

974
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: debt is going up again. Got the huddle standing by

975
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Speaker 3: as well, Fellow Riley and Rob Campbell. Right now it's

976
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: twenty four away from six. Now Nessley has pulled out

977
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: of a global alliance for cutting methane emissions from dairy farming.

978
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 3: The Dairy Methane Action Alliance was launched less than two

979
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Speaker 3: years ago, and now Nessley has quit. And this has

980
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 3: come just days after the Net zero Banking Alliance basically

981
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Speaker 3: voted to end itself. Agribusiness expert doctor Jacqueline Roworth is

982
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: with us on this. Hi, Jaqueline, Hello, I know why

983
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Speaker 3: do you think NESLA has done this?

984
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 19: Not moving fast enough for them? The alliance has not

985
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 19: worked as well as they thought. And remember Neslie's done

986
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 19: some really good work around the world of agriculture with

987
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 19: cropping and with us with New Zealand, lots of rewards

988
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 19: for farmers who are able to cut their meathing. So

989
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 19: they're putting their money where they're actually getting action, and

990
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 19: that makes sense to me. We're well New Zealand and

991
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Speaker 19: around the world, in America a bit in Britain through

992
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 19: the EU certainly trying to cut with cropping, which is

993
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 19: not our forte Well, how is the domestic supply is

994
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 19: our good cropping stuff? So with the export the stuff

995
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 19: that they buy, the money is going through from various

996
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 19: of the dairy companies to directly to the farmers to

997
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 19: encourage them to do ever better. And the farmers are

998
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 19: doing ever better, so it makes sense to me to

999
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 19: do good investment.

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Speaker 3: The optics of this are not great, are they, though,

1001
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 3: Because it looks like this LAY just doesn't want to

1002
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: be held to account on methane emissions and their supply chains,

1003
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: which is what the Alliance does.

1004
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 19: But they are reporting, but not through that alliance and

1005
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 19: I think there's been problems with the alliance, with other

1006
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 19: companies not doing they said they would do, so the

1007
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 19: alliance itself has not been working successfully.

1008
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: So they're pating ties with the bundle leg ads.

1009
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Speaker 19: Well, I think that's what I would hate to call

1010
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 19: them legards, but they yes, possibly because they haven't been

1011
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 19: reporting well and it took them a while to get together.

1012
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 19: So the reports well about.

1013
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 3: The X Party and just as a case and point

1014
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 3: about the optics, the X Party is looked at this

1015
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 3: put out a press release and said this adds weight

1016
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: to the argument that we should pull out of the

1017
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: PA or at least tweak the Paris Climate Agreement because

1018
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: all of these initiative, all of these alliances are starting

1019
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: to fall apart.

1020
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 19: Oh two of them are. But the global research.

1021
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: Are at least poor.

1022
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Speaker 19: Jacqueline Ah, Okay, yes, globally it is really difficult to

1023
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 19: do because everything is contexture. But in New Zealand we

1024
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 19: are doing good work. We are working with some of

1025
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 19: the big customers. Remember we sell to Nestle, and that's

1026
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 19: why they're doing all this encouragement and able to report

1027
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Speaker 19: that they are reducing me done. But for us being

1028
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 19: part of the Paris Agreement allows us with the trade agreement,

1029
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 19: and it allows a social license. Can you imagine what

1030
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 19: it would be like if the farming community actually pulled

1031
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 19: out of Paris? And remember Paris Agreement does say do

1032
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 19: everything you can without reducing food production, and we are

1033
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 19: approaching that point. We've done an awful lot of the

1034
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Speaker 19: things we can do and most countries haven't. So we

1035
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Speaker 19: have the well, we have the high ground at the moment,

1036
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Speaker 19: and we have trade deals.

1037
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 3: Do you think that assurance is got which is the

1038
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Speaker 3: thing that a lot of people cling to in the

1039
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 3: Paris Agreement, do you think that that is going to

1040
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Speaker 3: be honored by part signatories to the agreement who we

1041
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 3: trade with.

1042
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 19: Yeah, most countries are still trying to reduce methane and

1043
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 19: they haven't done the reducing that it hasn't impact on

1044
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 19: the food production. But yes, it may be that everything

1045
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 19: changes in the future when people realize that food production

1046
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 19: is the major goal for the world, given the increasing

1047
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 19: population and the increasing in practice.

1048
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 3: How does it work in practice?

1049
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: Right?

1050
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 3: So we get to the point where, because we have

1051
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: talked in the past, Jackal and I mean here what

1052
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 3: Economa has talked about culling like fifteen percent of our

1053
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 3: herd in order to get the numbers down. So how

1054
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: do we in practice? How what happens? Do we go

1055
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: as the New Zealand government does? The New Zealand government go, look,

1056
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 3: we have reduced to the point as far as we

1057
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 3: can and the next step is to start shooting cows,

1058
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 3: and the rest of the world goes, oh, it's cool,

1059
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: don't shoot them, you carry on emitting.

1060
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 19: Well, I've just been at the SAO Food and Aquaculture

1061
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 19: Organization meeting in Rome about sustainable livestock production, and there

1062
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 19: is a recognition that we have to keep going with

1063
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Speaker 19: with meat and milk because that's the most sufficient way

1064
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 19: of people getting their nutrition they need. So for New Zealand,

1065
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 19: the fifteen percent was really trying to get improved deficiencies

1066
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 19: and we are doing that and they data from the

1067
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Speaker 19: milk companies.

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Speaker 3: That's not what I'm asking you. What I'm asking you

1069
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: how is it going to work if New Zealand stands

1070
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: up and goes, hey, guys, we've done everything we can

1071
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: short of actually shooting our animals. So are you cool

1072
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: if we keep all these animals and we're emitting a

1073
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: little bit more than we wanted to is the rest

1074
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Speaker 3: of the we're going to be like that's fine or

1075
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: are they gonna be out?

1076
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 19: I think I think that the big customers, the Nestles, Dunnan's, McDonald's,

1077
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Speaker 19: will say we want your milk because it's lower emissions

1078
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Speaker 19: per kila or product that we want than any other components.

1079
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Speaker 19: So yes, I do think that what will happen. Okay,

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Speaker 19: and of course sometimes to gaze in my gazing in

1081
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Speaker 19: my crystal ball, but they want on milk because it's

1082
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Speaker 19: low emissions.

1083
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, Hey, Jacqueline, thank you, always appreciate your time.

1084
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Speaker 3: That's doctor Jacqueline Row with agribusiness expert and daarien Z

1085
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Speaker 3: director nineteen away from.

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Speaker 3: On the Huddle us. This evening we have fellow Riley

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Speaker 3: of Iron Duke Partners and Rob Campbell, aut Chancellor, former

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Speaker 3: Boss of Health New Zealand hie lads. Hard to argue

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Speaker 3: with Jacqueline, isn't it Phil?

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Speaker 18: I didn't hear it. I was so son and maybe

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Speaker 18: let robstart.

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Speaker 3: Okay, hard to argue with Jacqueline, isn't it Rob?

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Speaker 13: I'm sure, I could pick an ug with Jacqueline, but

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Speaker 13: I don't really need to about this. The main thing

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Speaker 13: is to focus on what we are doing and what

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Speaker 13: we need to go on doing. I think this whole

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Speaker 13: business about pulling out and not pulling out of trade

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Speaker 13: agreements for US is the Paris Agreement et cetera. For

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Speaker 13: US is a bit of a sideline. If we keep

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Speaker 13: focusing on what we're doing, there's no need for us

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Speaker 13: to pull out or not pull out. Eventually this will

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Speaker 13: work its way through. We've got to keep on doing

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Speaker 13: what we need to do. That's the issue, and that's

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Speaker 13: what acts jumping up and down about this. And I

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Speaker 13: see quite incredibly that chat Cameron, who was speaking for them,

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Speaker 13: described our past policies as being unrelated to the science. Well,

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Speaker 13: if there's anything less related to the science than what

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Speaker 13: Cameron comes out with, I've never heard it. So what

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Speaker 13: we have to do is keep on with the keep

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Speaker 13: on with what we're doing, improving our practices, lifting our

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Speaker 13: game all the time, and then we will be listening

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Speaker 13: to in the world circles if we need to talk

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Speaker 13: to them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well again, let's talk about phil I'm quite

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Speaker 3: teen to talk about what's going on with the Maori Party.

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Speaker 3: It looks to me very much like this reset is

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Speaker 3: basically aimed at a big behavior switch and them being

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Speaker 3: taken sort of toning down their behavior and being taken

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Speaker 3: seriously enough to be part of a future cabinet with

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Speaker 3: the Labor Party in the Greens. What do you think?

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Speaker 18: And then they do a hacker in the parliament. I mean,

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Speaker 18: you know, it's kind of weird. So I'm not sure

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Speaker 18: that by just calming down a bit they'll be seen

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Speaker 18: as any more or many more part of a cabinet

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Speaker 18: by the non Mari Party voter than before. Actually, I

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Speaker 18: think they really do need to come out with some

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Speaker 18: policy that's more than just grievance and more than just

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Speaker 18: protest and actually sit down and said we make you

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Speaker 18: deal them better. And I just I just don't see

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Speaker 18: them doing that. Frankly, the politics inside mark the Maro

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Speaker 18: patic clearly is intense. They'd seem unwilling or incapable of

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Speaker 18: complying with some basic rules or even if they want

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Speaker 18: to change them, having a proper conversation about changing them.

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Speaker 18: So I think they're quite a long way away from

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Speaker 18: being seen as a force in any future government Franklin.

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Speaker 18: I I agree with those who say Crucipkens should think

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Speaker 18: about ruling them out at she'd probably do them good.

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Speaker 13: I don't think that to party is all that concerned

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Speaker 13: about what we three are likely to decide tonight. Is

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Speaker 13: a good thing for them to do. I mean they're

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Speaker 13: appealing to a mari electric quite specifically. They're just a

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Speaker 13: new MP in de Parliament, pretty decisively against the Labor Party.

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Speaker 13: I think that the issue is not so much whether

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Speaker 13: they take themselves seriously, but it's whether we take them seriously,

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Speaker 13: and in fact we have to. They're a significant element

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Speaker 13: in our political equation and if some people don't like them,

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Speaker 13: well that's just hard luck. They're significant.

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Speaker 3: I think you're failing to understand something. It's not hard luck,

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Speaker 3: it's you're not in cabinet.

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Speaker 13: Well we'll see whether that proves to be the case

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Speaker 13: or not. I've always found politicians be pretty flexible when

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Speaker 13: it comes to the number crunching to get them in department.

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Speaker 13: I'm I'll wait and see about that.

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Speaker 14: I don't know.

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Speaker 18: I mean it'll be a key issue in the Electric

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Speaker 18: Day election though, with the nets are going to say,

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Speaker 18: look at those guys, you can't you don't elect Chippy

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Speaker 18: because those guys are going to in the government. So

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Speaker 18: you know, it's quite an important piece practically because it's

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Speaker 18: not the lot the people that vote for them that'll

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Speaker 18: be the problem. It'll be the people that might otherwise

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Speaker 18: vote for for Labor or the Greens.

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Speaker 13: I think, yeah, and I wait and see, let's wait

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Speaker 13: and see.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think we need to wait and see, Phil.

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Speaker 3: I think we've already seen it today, haven't we. You

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Speaker 3: can make all the decisions you like. If you can't

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Speaker 3: get your own MPCE to toe the line, there's no chance,

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Speaker 3: is there.

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Speaker 18: It's just it's just an unnecessary own goal in terms

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Speaker 18: of their Well, I understand what it's trying to do it.

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Speaker 18: In fact, I won't argue, by the way, can change

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Speaker 18: the standing orders so they can be a hardkart in

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Speaker 18: the parliament. Good for them, you know, great, But you

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Speaker 18: can't do it until you change the standing orders. And

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Speaker 18: I think you need to lean into that process with

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Speaker 18: everybody else to say, look, let's come up with some

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Speaker 18: proper arrangements here other than simply poking the borax and

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Speaker 18: poking your thing out. It literally that what's going on.

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Speaker 18: I just don't think can look sensible to anybody other

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Speaker 18: than them and their relatively small group of supporters there.

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Speaker 18: You're not even all of Marridam is a support of

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Speaker 18: the Murray party, so you know, it's quite a niche

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Speaker 18: thing and powerful, I know, and the Marray seats of

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Speaker 18: buts we to look a bit more like everybody else

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Speaker 18: could could understand them and trying to work with them.

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Speaker 18: I think that's the nature democracy.

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Speaker 3: All Right, we'll take a break, come back to you guys.

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Speaker 3: Shortly caught a.

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Speaker 2: Two the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, the

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back with the Huddle, Rob Campbell and Fuller Riley. Rob,

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Speaker 3: how optimistic are you about peace in Gaza?

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Speaker 13: I'm very unoptimistic about peace in Gaza. I'm really pleased

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Speaker 13: that some of the bombing and killing will stop. I'm

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Speaker 13: really pleased that hostages and prisoner's interesting distinction, hostages and

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Speaker 13: prisoners are going to be released. That's a good thing.

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Speaker 13: But there's a long way to go before there is

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Speaker 13: peace in Palestine, I'm afraid to say. But look, you'd

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Speaker 13: be a bad person if you whn't happy about stopping

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Speaker 13: people getting killed.

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Speaker 3: Rob Where are you worried it falls apart? At what point?

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Speaker 13: I think? I'm no expert in this, but it seems

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Speaker 13: to me that when it becomes to the question of

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Speaker 13: power and the alignment of power and who's going to

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Speaker 13: make decisions across the whole of Palestine, that it will

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Speaker 13: start to fall apart. So I think those negotiations have

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Speaker 13: really led to really yet to happen.

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Speaker 18: What do you think so well, I'm actually a little

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Speaker 18: more positive than Robot. I think to get overall peace

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Speaker 18: in Palestine is a very hard ask, but this is

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Speaker 18: a this is a massive step forward. This is an

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Speaker 18: organization who's very nature harmas is to destroy the Jewish

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Speaker 18: people and destroy Israel. And you know, lookily now they've

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Speaker 18: they've done what they what they should have done, you know,

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Speaker 18: years ago, many many months ago in terms of the hostages,

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Speaker 18: and so you know that and obviously some backing down

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Speaker 18: b Israel as well, and so you know the way

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Speaker 18: in which Trump has managed to achieve this. I mean,

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Speaker 18: you can criticist trumple You're like I've always found with

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Speaker 18: political leaders, they don't do everything wrong, and they don't

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Speaker 18: do everything right. Trump does an awful lot wrong. I

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Speaker 18: think we can all agree with that, But on this one,

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Speaker 18: I think he's got it right and a little hopeful.

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Speaker 18: And Robin the sense that this kind of technocratic group

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Speaker 18: that he's going to chair, which is going to look

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Speaker 18: to look after Palestine in the meantime, I think there's

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Speaker 18: some there's some there's something to that. It's what happened

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Speaker 18: after the Second World War in the likes of Berlin,

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Speaker 18: and it kind of worked, So I think there's something

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Speaker 18: to that. I think we should we should just suspend

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Speaker 18: judgment for a minute or two and see how it

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Speaker 18: plays out. To Rob's point, the chances of were being

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Speaker 18: completely successful pretty small. But look, it's better than I've

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Speaker 18: seen in the last ten years, so good for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll give it a chance. Now, Rob, I'm terrified

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Speaker 3: of asking you this question because I feel like I

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Speaker 3: know what the answer is going to be. Do you

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Speaker 3: think we should decriminalize drugs in New Zealand?

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Speaker 13: You might pusher? Are you going to come out unveil

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Speaker 13: yourself as my pusher?

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Speaker 18: Are you.

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Speaker 3: If I'm pushing you drugs, I'm probably only pushing your

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Speaker 3: drugs for your heart or something like that. What do

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Speaker 3: you think?

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Speaker 13: Look, I think that we have to address the drug

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Speaker 13: issue as primarily a health issue, and by that I

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Speaker 13: mean a social health as well as physical health issue.

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Speaker 13: To the extent that decriminalization can help that, I support it.

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Speaker 13: And for example, I think some things have been effectively

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Speaker 13: decronalized anyway, like cannabis, I think is something that we

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Speaker 13: could readily move. On some of the more serious drugs.

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Speaker 13: I think we would want to proceed reasonably carefully, but

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Speaker 13: the direction should be towards not criminalizing people for using,

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Speaker 13: but criminalized people for making and trading even the dangerous drugs.

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Speaker 13: So there's got to be a way through that thicket,

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Speaker 13: in my view, to get to the real issues.

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Speaker 18: I grew with rollin this issue. I was been a

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Speaker 18: bit of a fan for decriminalization, which is a different

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Speaker 18: thing to legalization, right, it's a different thing. And I

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Speaker 18: think that the challenge is when you say that, what

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Speaker 18: do you mean, who are you decriminalizing? And you can't

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Speaker 18: decriminalize the mung or pushing the stuff, can you? So

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Speaker 18: how do you actually draw that line in the sand,

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Speaker 18: and how do you get away from standind.

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Speaker 3: Of entities don't use the personal use?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, in theory, although you know you can see

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Speaker 18: how you can stuck in some lines there. But I

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Speaker 18: agree with Robin this clearly the current situation is not

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Speaker 18: working effectively. If I suspect has never happened to because

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Speaker 18: I don't need drugs, but apparently, but you know, if

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Speaker 18: I suspect, if you we've found with some drugs by

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Speaker 18: the police, they probably wouldn't do too much. I suspect

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Speaker 18: they just you know, leave your mind mass you're doing

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Speaker 18: something other bad. So you know, we need to just

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Speaker 18: get that real. And I certainly agree with Rob that

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Speaker 18: and other advocates too. We need to treat this as

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Speaker 18: a health issue and that's the best way to out it,

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Speaker 18: to get people actually declaring it to saying I need help,

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Speaker 18: and that'll actually help clean it up. But gee, it's

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Speaker 18: a hard road.

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Speaker 3: That's a hard road, really is guys. It's great to

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Speaker 3: chat to the pair of you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Rob Campbell, Fellow Riley Huddle eight away from six.

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Speaker 3: Oh lord, it started already. Heather Fellow Riley would be

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Speaker 3: a great leader of the National Party. Jays James, They

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Speaker 3: only had one poll with a toe in front of it,

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Speaker 3: and if you rounded it up, it hit thirty because

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Speaker 3: it was twenty nine point six and you're already deciding

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Speaker 3: who the next leader should be. Very tough crowd, this

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Speaker 3: one five away from six. Now Winston Peters is laying

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Speaker 3: into Fonterra. This is because of the consumer business sale, right,

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Speaker 3: and at the moment that the thing, Look, I don't

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Speaker 3: know why is he bothering Because the voting is open

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Speaker 3: at the moment for farmer farmers and shareholders and farmer

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Speaker 3: shareholders and all the shareholders. They're all voting at the moment,

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Speaker 3: and I think they've got to the end of the

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Speaker 3: month and it's a done deal, right, Like we're dangling

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Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of dollars in front of each of

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Speaker 3: these dudes to say yes. They're going to say yes

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Speaker 3: to the deal. Anyway. When he's having a crack at it,

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Speaker 3: he's upset about a couple of things. First of all,

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Speaker 3: he's not sure that that long term agreement by Lactalis

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Speaker 3: to take the New Zealand milk is actually that long term,

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Speaker 3: and he wants to know what happens after that and

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Speaker 3: whether all our farmers are going to go without a

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Speaker 3: place to send the milk. Also, he's hinting that there

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Speaker 3: are very sweet bonuses in the deal for the executives

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Speaker 3: for having put the thing together. Now, he's probably right,

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Speaker 3: because I think that's kind of running mill, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: If an executive stitches together a massive deal, they generally

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Speaker 3: get a massive bonus, just like the broker who put

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Speaker 3: the thing together. So I don't know that I'm particularly

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Speaker 3: stressed out about that. I mean, let me know if

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Speaker 3: you are, I might ask Hamish Mackay is going to

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Speaker 3: be this latter, or I'll ask him if he is.

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Speaker 3: Now apparently this song is on high rotate in the

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Speaker 3: beehive because someone has done something very unusual. This is

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Speaker 3: Joey Gribbon, who's running for Wellington City Council on the

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Speaker 3: Labor ticket. She's actually using AI obviously written herself a

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Speaker 3: campaign song.

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Speaker 7: I can see it.

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Speaker 1: I can set your smile.

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Speaker 7: Your vote is all one in my arms off.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Your voter is all I've wanted and your

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Speaker 3: my arms are open wide. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 3: about you, but that is that's a vibe. That's a

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Speaker 3: vibe anyway, if you want joy by the way, if

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Speaker 3: you're like, hmmm, look, if you're one of the five

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Speaker 3: people in the country who went by I know that name,

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Speaker 3: that Joey was one of Justinda's press sex, one of

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Speaker 3: just inder senior press sex, so yes you have so yes,

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Speaker 3: Joey knows how things work and she is taking politics

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Speaker 3: to the next dimension, which is campaign songs. High rotate,

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Speaker 3: I'm told high rotate and the bee of course it is. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: let's talk next to Brad Olsen about what's going on

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Speaker 3: with our national debt and our structural deficits and how

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Speaker 3: much we should be panicking right now.

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Speaker 7: News Talks B from m open to clue, mister, I haven't.

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Speaker 2: We're Business meets Insight of a Business Hour with Heather

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Speaker 2: duplessy Ellen and Mas for Insurance Investments and Kilie Safer.

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Speaker 1: You're a good as News Talks dB.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: ask Hamish mackay when he makes of Winston Peter's Fonterra

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Speaker 3: complaints Sam Dickey on whether the AI bubble is about

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Speaker 3: to pop an end of Brady is with us out

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Speaker 3: of the UK at seven past six now, the government's

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Speaker 3: financial statements are out and it's not looking that great.

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Speaker 3: Debt is now at forty one point eight percent of GDP.

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Speaker 3: It's gone up in the last year obviously. The operating

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Speaker 3: deficit obergal X is sitting on nine point three billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: That's higher than last year's which was eight point eight

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Speaker 3: billion dollars. Revenue is up, expenses up. Of course, Finance

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Speaker 3: Minister Nicolaullis managed to spin it in a good light health.

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Speaker 20: And education, but as a proportion of the overall economy,

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Speaker 20: Crown spending is reducing.

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Speaker 3: Brad Olson is infometrics principle economist and with us high

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Speaker 3: Brad good evening obviously not great. But how much of

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Speaker 3: this should we give them slack fall because of the

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Speaker 3: state of the economy.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think more than that, just the state of

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Speaker 10: the economy. The challenges is that a lot of these

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Speaker 10: numbers were baked in by previous decisions, and unless you

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Speaker 10: were going to see some really really fundamental changes, and

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Speaker 10: that would probably have to affect the likes of, you know,

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Speaker 10: different welfare and social spending, health and education, you probably

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Speaker 10: couldn't do too much of a turnaround job too quickly.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that some of these.

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Speaker 10: Indicators have either stabilized or started to move slightly in

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Speaker 10: the right direction. Yes, it's not enough yet, but some

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Speaker 10: of them. I mean, you look at the likes of

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Speaker 10: spending now a smaller percentage of GDP. You mentioned the

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Speaker 10: debt figure up six point seven billion dollars from last

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Speaker 10: year but three point five billion lower than was forecast

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Speaker 10: in the budget, and the fact that it stabilized at

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Speaker 10: forty one point eight percent. The first change, and it

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Speaker 10: will first part of a turnaround is at least leveling

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Speaker 10: things out and stopping them going higher. So I guess

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Speaker 10: on that front there is a bit of a change,

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Speaker 10: but clearly there's still a long, hard slog for the

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Speaker 10: government books to get back into a more reasonable position.

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Speaker 10: That's probably going to take quite a few years, until

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Speaker 10: probably the twenty thirties.

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Speaker 3: But why is the operating deficit still widening?

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean the government is still spending more in

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Speaker 10: general than it's earning. If you look at the sort

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Speaker 10: of spending figures. Total revenue, so money earned by government

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Speaker 10: was up two point five billion from last year, spending

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Speaker 10: up three point four billion, but again a lot of

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Speaker 10: that coming down to the likes of social security and welfare.

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Speaker 10: That's both jobs seeker support. Because the economy is weak here,

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Speaker 10: you've got more people out of jobs, so that's sort

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Speaker 10: of cyclical. But of course you've also got those higher

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Speaker 10: superannuation payments. Like when you look through the numbers, those

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Speaker 10: are the areas that you see the biggest changes. What

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Speaker 10: the government has done, particularly around Kaying Aura has seen

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Speaker 10: a little bit less going through in the expense line,

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Speaker 10: so that's an important change. But at the same time,

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Speaker 10: there are then concerns in the community around social housing.

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Speaker 10: So all of this is a very delicate and very

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Speaker 10: difficult balancing act.

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Speaker 3: I think, what is it We're supposed to hit surplus

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Speaker 3: in about four years and twenty twenty nine. Is that credible?

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean it also depends on exactly what you

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Speaker 10: include or exclude from the various measures. I mean it's

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Speaker 10: sort of I think it's around twenty thirty is sort

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Speaker 10: of where my mind is sitting when you look at

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Speaker 10: the various indicators and realizing that's still a long way

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Speaker 10: away in terms of other economic shocks that could come

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Speaker 10: through and a whole lot of other changes. So look,

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Speaker 10: I think we we are seeing that first shift towards

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Speaker 10: stabilizing things, to bringing down expenses as a proportion of GDP,

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Speaker 10: But it's still going to take a while for those

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Speaker 10: numbers to get back into what we might feel as

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Speaker 10: a sort of comfortable and sustainable zone. Let's remember the

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Speaker 10: reason we need to get the government accounts back into

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Speaker 10: a more sort of sensible order is that the next

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Speaker 10: time something comes out of the blue and hits the economy,

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Speaker 10: we need to have buffer room to respond. And at

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Speaker 10: the moment, we're still trying to pay off the credit

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Speaker 10: card bill from the last couple of times we've wrapped

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Speaker 10: it up.

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Speaker 3: Hey, listen, what do you make of the OCR announcement

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Speaker 3: yesterday with the double cut. Do you think that that

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Speaker 3: is enough to get us spending again?

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Speaker 10: Well, in a sense, I mean the proof will be

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Speaker 10: in the pudding, but not for another twelve months. I mean,

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Speaker 10: those decisions that were made yesterday still won't flow through

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Speaker 10: to the economy fully.

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Speaker 3: Brad, it was still for a while. No, But Brad,

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Speaker 3: it was supposed to be a head change, a game

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Speaker 3: changer in our heads. Right, We're supposed to stop being scared,

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Speaker 3: stop saving, and start spending effective. Now is that going

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Speaker 3: to work? Well, that's the talk.

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Speaker 10: But that's why I'm a little bit sort of I

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Speaker 10: guess curious, and a little bit there's a part in

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Speaker 10: the bottom of my stomach here that still worries that

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Speaker 10: if we've got you know, three hundred or so basis

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Speaker 10: points of cuts and that hasn't done anything, but we're

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Speaker 10: waiting for just that extra little cut to get us

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Speaker 10: over the line. I worry that when inflation is nearly

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Speaker 10: at three percent and similar, by goodness, we could look

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Speaker 10: back at this decision any year's time ago, we might

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Speaker 10: have overdone it. I get the call for stimulus and support,

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Speaker 10: but that inflation worry. It really does sort of stick

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Speaker 10: in the back of my throat and it worries me

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Speaker 10: that will be there in a year's time and still concerned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, thanks very much. Brad always appreciated this. Brad

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Speaker 3: also infometrics principle economist.

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Speaker 1: Ever do for Sellen.

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Speaker 3: Right, So the AI bubble, So Sam Dicky is going

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Speaker 3: to talk to us shortly about whether the AI bubble

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Speaker 3: is about to burst, because, as I was telling you earlier,

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Speaker 3: the Bank of England is worried. It's warned of a

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Speaker 3: sudden correction. It says on a number of measures, equity

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Speaker 3: market valuations appear stretched, particularly for technology companies focused on AI.

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Speaker 3: This leaves equity markets particularly exposed to expectations around the

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Speaker 3: impact of AI become less optimistic, which is probably going

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Speaker 3: to happen, isn't it, Because I mean, let's just look

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Speaker 3: at how stretch the valuations may well be open. AI

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Speaker 3: has gone from being worth one hundred and fifty seven

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Speaker 3: billion US dollars last October to five hundred billion US

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Speaker 3: dollars this October. Anthropic has almost tripled its valuation in

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Speaker 3: just six months. It was sixty billion dollars US in March.

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Speaker 3: It was one hundred and seventy billion dollars last month.

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Speaker 3: MIT and just in terms of the optimism around what

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Speaker 3: it can do, MIT put out research showing that ninety

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Speaker 3: five percent of organizations are getting zero returned from their

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Speaker 3: investments in generative AI. So anyway, Sam Dickey on that

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Speaker 3: after half past thirteen past.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: on my Heart Radio powered by news dog ZEBI.

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Speaker 3: All right, just a quick update on what's going on

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Speaker 3: at Parliament. This is not to do with the Maldi Party,

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Speaker 3: you'll be pleased to hear. It's about a completely different

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Speaker 3: subject altogether. Parliament has banned the MPs and staff over

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Speaker 3: there from using the new Ubrey type ride sharing thing DEDI,

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Speaker 3: which launched I feel like July this year. Problem is

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Speaker 3: it's Chinese owned. So what happened is Yesterda, our Parliamentary

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Speaker 3: Service sent a message to MPs and staff saying that

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Speaker 3: the app's going to be removed from all of the

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Speaker 3: corporate phones, the phones that have been issued to them

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Speaker 3: by Parliamentary Service, and if they're using d D on

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Speaker 3: their personal phones they need to also then take it

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Speaker 3: off remove the apple together. They say it has been

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Speaker 3: determined that the risks associated or posed by d D

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Speaker 3: are not acceptable in the current parliamentary environment. Remember that

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Speaker 3: they did the same thing with TikTok, so I think

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Speaker 3: we should expect a little bit more of this to

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Speaker 3: come with the old Chinese technology in the future.

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Speaker 14: Now.

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Speaker 3: I meant to say this yesterday and I didn't get

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Speaker 3: a chance to get around to it, but I think

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Speaker 3: it is worth raising this. This is ree Stewart Nash

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Speaker 3: and what has gone down with him being on that

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Speaker 3: trip and then booted off. Right, So yesterday what happened

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Speaker 3: is Newstalk zb's news team unearthed a bunch of texts

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Speaker 3: that have been sent by Stuart Nash to Todd McLay,

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Speaker 3: who's the minister in charge of this trip to the US,

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Speaker 3: the trade trip. So if you don't remember what how was,

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Speaker 3: and this is chronologically what happened. Nash made those crass

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Speaker 3: remarks about what a woman is and as a result,

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Speaker 3: Todd McLay then dumped Nashi from the US trade trip.

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Speaker 3: So then Nashi, we didn't realize this until yesterday, sent

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01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 3: him across text and complained about it. And then there

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01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 3: was pretty much radio silence, and the official story was

1511
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 3: the story Nawhi was telling the media, which was that

1512
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 3: he pulled out of the trade trip because his son

1513
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 3: had broken his leg. But then things got a bit

1514
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 3: weird about a week later, this is mid September, when

1515
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 3: Todd McClay said the opposite. He said, actually, no, I

1516
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 3: dumped Stuart Nash. He didn't pull out. I dumped him

1517
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 3: because of his comments. So this is where the this

1518
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 3: is an important text in this Nash sends this test Todd.

1519
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 3: The deal I had with Peter Crisp, who's the interim

1520
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 3: invest New Zealand chief executive. The deal I had with

1521
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 3: Peter Crisp is that if I withdrew from the trip

1522
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 3: on Thursday, my name would not be mentioned and that

1523
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 3: the story would not be that I was asked to withdraw.

1524
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 3: Now this I think for anybody who doesn't watch politics,

1525
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 3: this is illuminating because this is how politics were works.

1526
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 3: Todd wanted to try Nash off the trip, so Peter

1527
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 3: coord Nash and so you need to withdraw from the trip.

1528
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 3: And if you don't withdraw, we're going to sack you.

1529
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 3: So to save face, Nash withdraws from the trip. That's

1530
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 3: how politics work. So it's the same with Adrian Or.

1531
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 3: You know how Adrian or quit so that he wasn't fired.

1532
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 3: Same same what an insight eighteen past six.

1533
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 1: The Rural report on hither do for see Alan dreve a.

1534
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 3: Miss McKay who's hosting the country for Jamie mckie's with us. Hello,

1535
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 3: haymish Heather now am I'm very well, thank you. Now,

1536
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 3: see Winston's complaining about this like littali steel or however

1537
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 3: you pronounce it, and he reckons there's going to be

1538
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 3: bonuses for the executives at Fonterra for stitching the thing together.

1539
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 23: What do you say he's come off the long run,

1540
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 23: hasn't he he's dugging in shore. It's a real bouncer

1541
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 23: from Winston because this thing looks like it's the lady

1542
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 23: on Masia happening. Farmer's going to get half a million dollars.

1543
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 23: But this is a bit of a curve ball about

1544
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 23: Miles Harrell and the rest of them, and he's sort

1545
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 23: of Winston's saying, you know, they're going to take their

1546
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 23: big check and or off, so to speak, which you know,

1547
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 23: I think that would probably raise a few shackles. I

1548
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 23: would have thought that one or two might get a

1549
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 23: little bit upset about that. But you know, like and

1550
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 23: then the other thing, I quite like what went to

1551
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 23: the saying is you know, where's our pride in our

1552
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 23: in those brands, those Kiwi brands that have been established.

1553
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 23: And he's also thoroughly stressed and right, you know, it

1554
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 23: seems like it's an eight to ten year deal to

1555
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 23: provide the milk, but you know he's wanting to see

1556
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 23: a bit more surety around that. So yeah, so they're

1557
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 23: going around the meetings at the moment, going around the

1558
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 23: farmers and you know, telling them how much they're going

1559
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 23: to get and what it all means. But he's just

1560
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 23: kind of like just while it seemed like a done deal,

1561
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 23: he's probably just put a little bit of color into

1562
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 23: the water that's going under the bridge at the morment.

1563
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 3: Very interesting. Now I've got to say thank you to

1564
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 3: you because you've you've literally stepped off a stage to

1565
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 3: talk to us say.

1566
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, well, I'm just I'm down at Wayaki golf

1567
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 23: Course of the beautiful Waacky golf Course for it's a

1568
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 23: charity fundraiser run by PTS Logistics out of the Manor

1569
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 23: were Too for Farmstrong and being Mental Health to win

1570
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 23: a sweet gum. Yes, I'm up on a stage at

1571
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 23: the moment with Wallaby coach Joe Smith, Blues coach Burncotta,

1572
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 23: I'm up there with Sam Whitelocke and everything. But I

1573
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 23: said I had a priority and that was you and

1574
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 23: everybody in the room. Everybody in the room just let up.

1575
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 23: Ever it was like a ticket to anything that I

1576
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 23: could do. And when I said, she'll even let me

1577
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 23: mention the event I'm at. You know, I said, here

1578
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 23: there is so bloody lovely she and so you know,

1579
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 23: so you you know you're upper lights here tonight.

1580
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 3: You know what, it is no surprise to me that

1581
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 3: you are married when you with that kind of carry on,

1582
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 3: because geez, honestly, I mean talk about buttering up. Hey,

1583
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 3: can I just ask you a favorite? Can you find

1584
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 3: a cupboard for me and just push Joe Schmidt into

1585
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 3: it and lock it.

1586
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 23: He doesn't coach. That's not a team to beat us.

1587
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1588
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to go back to the Wallabies. I

1589
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 3: just want to keep him here, kind of like a hostage.

1590
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 23: We need him because you know, if Raser ends up

1591
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 23: doing a day knoles or something, you know, who knows

1592
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 23: what the story is there. You know we need Joe.

1593
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 18: Get right up. I'll keep him.

1594
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 23: I'll tell him. I'll tell him that you you said

1595
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 23: that he has to coach the all black sets. I'm

1596
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 23: just going to make it up.

1597
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I need to get myself in so

1598
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 3: much trouble. Hamish, go and enjoy yourself, Hamish mackuy hosting

1599
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 3: the country hither as a farmer. We are so very

1600
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 3: anti this Fontira brand sale. The infogiven has been so slanted.

1601
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 3: Not surprised if the bonuses are massive one of the

1602
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,759
Speaker 3: main arguments, as the brands are not returning an investment,

1603
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 3: will slap me silly but should the boards be making

1604
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 3: it so? Shouldn't the board's job be making it so?

1605
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 3: It's probably probably probably a fair point. But I particularly

1606
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 3: like the the phrase slap me silly, and I shall

1607
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 3: get adopting that six twenty two.

1608
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

1609
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1610
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 2: and Mass for Insurance Investments and Kiwye Safer you're in

1611
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 2: good hands us talks.

1612
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 3: That'd be Hey, you know that Fiji Airways plane that

1613
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 3: was circling christ Church Airport, It's finally managed to land.

1614
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 3: It was circling it for ages because it had to

1615
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 3: burn off fuel before it could land. And Jesus, I

1616
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 3: tell you what you want to take a take a

1617
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 3: look at the photographs. There is an enormous dent in

1618
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 3: the nose of the aeroplane because it had a bird

1619
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 3: trigger warning. You know how TVNS did the trigger warning

1620
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 3: the other day because they were gonna be there was

1621
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 3: gonna be meat. Carcass has been cut up on it.

1622
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 3: I feel like, in the spirit, in the spirit of

1623
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 3: TVNS inid trigger warning, I think you can still see

1624
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 3: some of the birds blunt there, So don't be looking

1625
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 3: at that unless you've got a strong stomach or don't

1626
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 3: care about birds, which is also possible. Twenty five past six.

1627
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

1628
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 3: Yes, this is nine inch Nails. And there's a reason

1629
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 3: we're playing you nine inch Nails because we're discussing the

1630
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 3: most polarizing film of the year. This is a Neutron movie. Now,

1631
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 3: that's the franchise about those guys who live in a

1632
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 3: computer and their ride motorcycles around and battle each other

1633
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 3: with the motorcycles. And I'm not entirely sure who was

1634
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 3: who watched the original movie back in nineteen eighty two

1635
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 3: and said, yes, we need to continue this franchise over

1636
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 3: forty years later, but someone did, and it's out today

1637
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 3: and it's called tron Aries. And this time, instead of

1638
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 3: a man going into the tron world, the tron world

1639
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 3: comes into our world.

1640
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 23: So much talk of AI and big tech today vir

1641
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 23: twelve worlds, what they can to look like.

1642
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 3: When will we get there?

1643
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: Twelve folks, We're not going there.

1644
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 14: Today?

1645
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 6: Are coming here?

1646
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 2: Now?

1647
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 3: All of that weird sound that you heard in the background,

1648
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 3: all that stuff, that's thanks to the film's composers who

1649
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 3: just happened to be Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross from

1650
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 3: Nine Inch Nails, which is why we were playing Nine

1651
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 3: inch Nails. Yeah, yeah, yay. They made it big as

1652
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 3: composers in Hollywood, and you'll know their score from the

1653
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 3: movie Challenges, where Zindaia is a tennis player. Great soundtrack

1654
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 3: apparently for a morning run, says Sam the producer. Anyway,

1655
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 3: the back here with their signature industrial sound. The film

1656
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 3: is getting really mixed reviews because it's super polarizing. It's

1657
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 3: got fifty four percent on Rotten Tomatoes, and the main

1658
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 3: reason that people are saying it's bad is because of

1659
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 3: Jared Letto, who's in the main role. Because most of

1660
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 3: us think that he's a bit of a creep to

1661
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 3: look at and quite off putting. Apparently, according to Sam

1662
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 3: the producer, there is a fair number of people who

1663
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 3: also look at him and think, Wow, that guy's a

1664
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 3: hot babe. But he is a little bit like a

1665
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,600
Speaker 3: hot baby. He's a dark hot babe, asn't he is,

1666
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 3: but weird anyway. But if Jared leto and crazy motorcycle

1667
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 3: chases are your thing, like that's quite the Venn diagram,

1668
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 3: then go and check out tron aries at the cinema

1669
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 3: this weekend. Actually, can I just say, okay, I'm watching

1670
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 3: the third season at the moment of what's that show

1671
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 3: called that I've been talking about Beatie and just like

1672
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 3: that and just like that the Sex and the City.

1673
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 3: I'm on season I'm on episode two, so I'm only

1674
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 3: just starting. But geez, that guy's a creep who she's

1675
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:52,759
Speaker 3: going out with? They what's his name again, Aidan Oh?

1676
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 3: Isn't he a creep? You know what? It's weird because

1677
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 3: in the entire seasons of Sex and the City I

1678
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 3: never realized what a creepy is. But he is a

1679
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 3: creep anyway, they tell me. It gets worse as the

1680
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 3: season goes on, so don't give me any spoilers, but Aiden,

1681
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 3: who what a jerk? News is next.

1682
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 2: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business Hour

1683
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 2: with Heather dupic Ellen and Mads for Insurance Investments and

1684
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 2: Huey Safer and You're in Good Hands News.

1685
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: Talks edb.

1686
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 3: Inder Brady out of the UK with us in ten

1687
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,959
Speaker 3: minutes time. Grant McCallum, who is the MP for Northland,

1688
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 3: is bugging me and he's not irritating me like he's

1689
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 3: hounding me. He wants me to get a message out

1690
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 3: and I think it's probably fair enough and this is

1691
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 3: what makes him a great MP for Northland. He is

1692
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 3: calling on Northland parents to get their kids vaccinated immediately

1693
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 3: because the measles outbreak out there. He wants if you've

1694
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 3: got kids in the Northland region, he wants you to

1695
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 3: check where your kids are at with your vaccination status

1696
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 3: for them and then if they're not vaccinated, it up

1697
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 3: to you want to get them vaccinated up to day

1698
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 3: because you don't want your kids to get measles. And

1699
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 3: the problem with Northland is that we have a target

1700
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 3: nationally of getting I think it's ninety five percent of

1701
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:13,839
Speaker 3: kids under the age of two jabbed for the MMR,

1702
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 3: and I think in Northland it's sits somewhere like seventy

1703
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 3: two percent, so it's well short. So yeah, there we go.

1704
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 3: Grant will now lay off me because I've done the

1705
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 3: thing he asked me to do, and it's also for

1706
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 3: the better of the people of Northland, so I can't complain.

1707
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 3: Twenty four away from seven now, AI investments still on fire,

1708
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 3: but there is growing concern that it may be a bubble,

1709
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 3: and there's also a sense that maybe we're seeing a

1710
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 3: few things that are quite similar to the dot com

1711
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 3: boom bust, Vendor financing, artificially inflated demand and so on.

1712
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 3: Sam Dicky from Fisher Funds is with us. Hey, Sam,

1713
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: what exactly is vendor financing and why should investors care

1714
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 3: about this?

1715
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 24: Yeah, it's quite normal in many industries, so when supplies

1716
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,799
Speaker 24: lend money to customers specifically to buy their own products,

1717
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 24: essentially paying customers to be customers. And it's often used

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Speaker 24: in small business sales or equipment sales when the buyers

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01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 24: otherwise can't get credit easily. However, it is also used

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01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,799
Speaker 24: at big turning points in technology when massive, bold investment

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01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 24: is required, and when supplies start leading billions of dollars

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Speaker 24: to customers so they can buy their own products. It's

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01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 24: arguably artificial demand, and history suggests we should stand up

1724
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 24: and pay attention.

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Speaker 3: Now, how does today's AI vendor finance and compare to

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01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 3: the dot com bubble?

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01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 24: Some similarity? So in two thousand, let's use Lucent as

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01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 24: the poster child. It made networking in telco equipment required

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01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 24: for their early internet and mobile bone, and they and

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01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 24: others were lending to large telcos but primarily small startup

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01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 24: telcos and internet service providers to stoke demand for their product.

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01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 24: And the thing was those small telco customers had were

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01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 24: burning cash and had stretched balance sheets. Now today in Vidia,

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01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 24: AMD and Oracle are funding customers like open Ai, the

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01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 24: owner of ch GBT and Carewe who's a sort of

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01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 24: data center provider, to buy their chips or space and

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01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 24: their data centers.

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Speaker 1: So definitely some similarities.

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Speaker 24: And for context, in two thousand, loosent in co leant

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01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 24: around twenty five billion dollars, which was about one hundred

1741
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 24: and fifty percent of their earnings back then. Today the

1742
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 24: number is greater than one hundred billion, but it's a

1743
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 24: smaller percentage of earnings because the balance sheets and cash

1744
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 24: flow generation of the companies today, both on the on

1745
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 24: the vendor side so in Video and Co, but also

1746
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 24: that their big customers like Meter and Google are significantly

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01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 24: healthier than loosened to the startup customers so it's not

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01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 24: nearly as severe as two thousand yet. And at one

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01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 24: point in two thousand, just for context, loosen wasn't even

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01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 24: selling equipment anymore. It was just giving stuff away on

1751
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 24: credit and calling it a sale. So there was some

1752
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 24: fraud back then, as well.

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01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are some of the warning signs that we're

1754
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 3: seeing today.

1755
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Speaker 24: I think it's apart from the circular nature of this

1756
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 24: the money merry go round, it's the sheer scale of

1757
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 24: the deal. So you and I talked last week about

1758
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 24: the staggering deal where open ai sign a contract to

1759
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 24: pay Oracle three hundred billion dollars over five years. Yet

1760
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 24: open ai itself only has fifteen billion dollars in revenue

1761
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 24: in total today and it just signed up to pay

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01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 24: one of its supplies three hundred billion dollars and the

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01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 24: other one is AMD, which is sort of the the

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01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 24: big La LaGG out or the poor man's in video.

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01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 24: They signed away ten percent of their equity to open

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Speaker 24: Ai as a customer, just so open Ai would buy

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01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 24: lots of its chips so it could try.

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Speaker 6: And catch up to in Video.

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Speaker 24: And that The final one to keep an eye on

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01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 24: is the fact that a lot of the credit or

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01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 24: the loans are being backed or collateralized by these Sameai chips,

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01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 24: which actually is quite reminiscent of how Loosen's customers used

1773
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 24: overinflated telecom spectrum licenses back in the day. Is collateral

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01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 24: for the debt?

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Speaker 13: Right?

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01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 3: Well, what does this mean for investors?

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01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 24: And no doubt that some floppy signs and even today

1778
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 24: you saw the Bank of England and the IMF warning

1779
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 24: people about the risks of AI. What we don't know

1780
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 24: is how much longer this exuberance can continue for and

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01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 24: for now, and this is important. The primary customers of

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01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 24: these AI chips are companies with incredibly strong balance sheets

1783
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 24: and cash generation, and that is quite different than two thousand.

1784
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 24: But we do need to keep an eye on this.

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Speaker 5: Header.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting stuff, Sam, thank you very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Sam Dickie Fisher Funds twenty away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Heather dup CLA.

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Speaker 3: We're putting a lot of texts saying that one news

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01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 3: hasn't even mentioned the hucker that happened in Parliament today,

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01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 3: which are fine, remarkable. I mean, there will be some

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01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 3: who will be absolutely thrilled about this, obviously because it's

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01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 3: done for publicity. So if you give it publicity, then

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01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 3: you encourage it to happen again, which is what happened

1795
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 3: last time. But it is also quite a weird thing

1796
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 3: to just completely ignore that this has happened. I mean,

1797
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 3: if and I'll tell you why, I don't love ignoring

1798
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 3: it because the Maori parties trying to do this reset

1799
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 3: right right now and be taken seriously, start to kind of,

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Speaker 3: you know, pull its horns in, get the behavior under control,

1801
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 3: maybe look a little bit more kind of mainstream rather

1802
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 3: than the radicals they have been. I think what happened

1803
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 3: today in the with the hukker in Parliament is a

1804
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 3: really great example of how hard that's going to be

1805
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 3: for them, right because they may get Debbie and Rawari

1806
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 3: can say, okay, guys, we're going to be serious, are

1807
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 3: going to release some serious policy. We're going to quit

1808
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 3: the genocide language and all that kind of stuff, stop

1809
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 3: giving the finger to the colonial and construct that is Parliament.

1810
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 3: But then it's very hard to tell Hannah Ters he

1811
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 3: might be Clark and already need to do that, and

1812
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 3: all the supporters and stuff, because next minute they're doing

1813
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 3: a hukker and they're giving the middle finger to the

1814
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 3: colonial construct that is Parliament. Do you know what I mean?

1815
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 3: So if you don't broadcast the hooker that just happened,

1816
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 3: if all you're talking about on one News is all

1817
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 3: look at the b reset and they're going to be

1818
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 3: grown ups now and be serious, you don't show that

1819
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 3: they're failing at the first hurdle.

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Speaker 22: Well, I.

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01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 3: Feel like that's not the full story anyway, Tory. So

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01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 3: Tory pops up again. So yesterday she gave her final

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01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 3: speech and I thought, okay, well that's the end of that.

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01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 3: Tory keeps on delivering the news bombs. The latest is

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01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 3: that Wellington City Council spent seventh thousand dollars on a

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01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 3: painting of her when the rules say that they will

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01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 3: commission nor more paintings of them former mayors because they

1828
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 3: need to save money and they're going to stick to

1829
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 3: the photos instead. The Wellington the City Council says it

1830
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 3: was done in error. Come off it, mate, how do

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01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 3: you do a painting an error? I mean painting is

1832
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 3: a little bit more than one moment. Anyway, they said

1833
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 3: they'd misunderstand the rules, because of course they misunderstood the rules.

1834
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 3: That's no surprise at all. Now, in the spirit of

1835
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 3: coming to the defense of Tory, which apparently is the

1836
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 3: thing that I'm doing in the last couple of days. Look,

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01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 3: obviously they shouldn't have done this, and they should have

1838
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 3: done the photo and this is just another example of

1839
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 3: them wasting rate payers money. But seven thousand dollars for

1840
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 3: a painting is actually quite cheap because fran Wilds was

1841
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 3: nine thousand dollars and that was back in nineteen ninety five,

1842
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 3: which is thirty years ago. So you add inflation to that,

1843
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 3: that'll be a hell of a lot more than nine

1844
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. Mark Blumski's was eight and a half thousand

1845
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 3: dollars and that was in two thousand and one, and

1846
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 3: what's that twenty four years ago. You add inflation, it's

1847
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 3: a lot more. And it's not like painting is a

1848
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 3: technology that somehow cheaper and cheaper is that it's probably

1849
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 3: the opposite. Were paying more and more for time anyway,

1850
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 3: also loved the brief that Tory gave the painter. Has

1851
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 3: admitted giving the painter mana serving diva seventeen away from seven.

1852
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1853
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with.

1854
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: The header duper c Ellen and maz for.

1855
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 2: Insurance investments and Kuye safer and you're in good hands

1856
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 2: news talks, that'd be yeah.

1857
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 3: So the German has gone back and had a look

1858
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 3: and in fact one news, what did one News do?

1859
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 3: They didn't cover it at all. They did a Mikey

1860
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 3: did a thing peace to cam and she just talked

1861
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 3: about the Marti Party's reset and then a clipped from

1862
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 3: all any speech and then no mention of the hiker,

1863
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 3: Like that thing did not happen, and like the speaker

1864
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 3: didn't suspend the house, and like the feed wasn't cut.

1865
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 3: None of that happened. Fourteen away from seven Ender Brady

1866
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 3: UK correspondence with us Helo Enda, Hey how are you?

1867
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 3: I'm well, thanks very much. The toy is are going

1868
01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 3: to scrap the stamp duty.

1869
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 6: They are, so they've finally got some headlines in the UK. Look,

1870
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 6: it's been a long time kemmy Badenoch not punching through

1871
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 6: at all. Her position as actual leader of the opposition

1872
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 6: has been usurped by Nigel Farage for quite some time

1873
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 6: because he just wants to talk about migration and how

1874
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 6: bad Starmar is in the handling of it. So Badanock

1875
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 6: has come out with the Conservative Party conference this week

1876
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 6: with a big keynote key policy that if she's elected,

1877
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 6: she will get rid of stamp duty all property purchases.

1878
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 6: It's the bane of people's lives. It's another form of

1879
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 6: taxation on the money. You've already earned to buy the

1880
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 6: house in the first place, and she's saying that she

1881
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 6: will get rid of it now. I just my mind boggles.

1882
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 6: Stamp duty is never going to be got rid of.

1883
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 6: The budget as it stands is going to be difficult.

1884
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 6: Stamp duty brings in somewhere in the region of eighteen

1885
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 6: billion dollars a year for the UK government and Kenny

1886
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 6: doesn't seem to have done her suns. But look, it's

1887
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 6: a look. If they make me Prime Minister, I'll give

1888
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 6: everyone a see figure salary and no one has to work.

1889
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 6: Doesn't work?

1890
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's just mad.

1891
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 3: But this is what happens, right, So how many people

1892
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 3: are going to believe it? Or are people actually irrational

1893
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 3: enough to hear it and go nah, that's just dreaming.

1894
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 6: I think if you went out on the streets today

1895
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 6: and said to people this woman kemmy Badenoch, a lot

1896
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 6: of people would say who is she? And then they

1897
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 6: would say, okay, yeah, but what about the migrants because

1898
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,679
Speaker 6: Nigel Faras says he's going to send them all home?

1899
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 6: Oh and by the way, haven't you got an Irish accent?

1900
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 6: When are you leaving? That's the standard of political debate

1901
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 6: in the UK at the moment, Heather, I'm sorry.

1902
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 13: Not good. Iye.

1903
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:35,679
Speaker 3: What's it like in France?

1904
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 14: Though?

1905
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,440
Speaker 3: Are they about to get another PM?

1906
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 6: So, yeah, it's very interesting what's going on. They've lost

1907
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 6: three prime ministers, or rather I should say Macron has

1908
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:47,919
Speaker 6: lost three prime ministers in twelve months, and the whisper

1909
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 6: is that there will be another announced in the next

1910
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 6: forty eight hours. But I think the big problem coming

1911
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 6: down the line is the budget. Whoever comes in as

1912
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 6: Prime minister, they need to get the budget over the

1913
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 6: line and they need to start saving money because the

1914
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 6: French government is quite simply spending more than his coming

1915
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:07,759
Speaker 6: in in tax chaos in France.

1916
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting. You watch the Clarkson's fan, don't you.

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Speaker 5: I do.

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01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 6: I love it, And there's a little bit of a

1919
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 6: development done that today.

1920
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 3: Now I don't watch the Clarksons fam, so you're gonna

1921
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 3: have to tell me all the background on us.

1922
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 6: So take Jeremy Clarkson, who makes top gear for decades

1923
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 6: and basically some people love him, most people kind of

1924
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 6: are in the middle, and a lot of people hate him.

1925
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 6: He goes off and he buys a farm in West

1926
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 6: Oxfordshire and he starts filming and he makes a TV

1927
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 6: show called Clarkson's Farm. He has done wonders for the

1928
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,839
Speaker 6: farming sector. I would say, not just in this country,

1929
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 6: people all over the world are getting more of an

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01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 6: understanding of just how bloody hard it is. And I

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Speaker 6: speak as the grandson of dairy farmers in Ireland, how

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Speaker 6: bloody hard it is to make a living off the land.

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Speaker 6: So he's gone and done this. Caleb Cooper is a

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Speaker 6: young ox rich farmer who has become very very well

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Speaker 6: known in England off the back of being kind of

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Speaker 6: the farming brains of the operation. And he's like, you know,

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Speaker 6: he's he can occasionally come across as a bit of

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Speaker 6: a fool, but he ultimately makes Starkson look the fool.

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Speaker 6: He is today getting on a plane for the first

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Speaker 6: time in his life. He is going to Australia and

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Speaker 6: they're going to make a little farming documentary for four

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Speaker 6: months in Australia about farming down Under. So Caleb Cooper

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Speaker 6: having he's never even been on a train, I think

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Speaker 6: I heard him say once on the podcast. So now

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Speaker 6: he's flying to Australia and good on Jeremy Clarkson, because

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Speaker 6: he's kind of shone a light not just on farming,

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Speaker 6: but he's helped this young man achieve things that are

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Speaker 6: just astounding and brilliant. And I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant, love it. Hey, thank you very much. Inda

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Speaker 3: Indo Brady UK Correspondent. When I sit to Inda, I

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Speaker 3: start with them. I didn't mean, like right at the basics.

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Speaker 3: Did understand that Jeremy had done a show called Clutson's

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Speaker 3: fam But I didn't mind it, didn't mind it at all.

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Speaker 3: By the way, just because we have been covering the

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Speaker 3: firefighters warnings that their trucks are falling apart, I have

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Speaker 3: another example of the firefighters warning and being proven right

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Speaker 3: that their trucks are falling apart. So there was a

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Speaker 3: fire last night in Herne Bay. There was a house

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Speaker 3: under construction and I think the top story it caught

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Speaker 3: on fire. Whatever. The fire truck that was first sent

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Speaker 3: was the one from the Graylan fire station. Now, if

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Speaker 3: you know where the Grayland fire station is, you know

1963
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Speaker 3: that it's on Williamson Av. Right, So it looks like

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Speaker 3: the firefighters pretty much made their way up Williams and

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Speaker 3: Av around the corner onto Ponsber Road and broke down.

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Speaker 3: And that is as far as they got and then

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Speaker 3: basically had to sit in a bus stop and wait

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Speaker 3: for I don't know what. They took a photograph and

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Speaker 3: put it on social media to kind of prove their point.

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Speaker 3: Had they actually got out, they would have been the

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Speaker 3: first fire appliance at the fire and would have started

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Speaker 3: fighting the fire before all the other ones started arriving.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, pretty worrying. I mean, like, it's not great

1974
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Speaker 3: when they warn about the thing and then the thing

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Speaker 3: keeps happening and they keep warning about the thing and

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Speaker 3: nobody actually does anything about it. But then they do

1977
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Speaker 3: buy them some new fire trucks, but the new fire

1978
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Speaker 3: trucks are so small we have to cut holes in

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Speaker 3: them for the gear. That's not a great situation, is it.

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Speaker 3: Nine Away from seven It's the.

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Speaker 2: Heather Tooper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 16: O.

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Speaker 3: Holy listen. Because we've done a lot of television, I

1985
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Speaker 3: need to tell you. The other thing in television that

1986
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Speaker 3: is actually quite a big deal is that the two

1987
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Speaker 3: what are they called the two Chasers have been confirmed

1988
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Speaker 3: for the chase when it comes down and the kiwis

1989
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Speaker 3: you know Kiwi contestants get to take part. It's going

1990
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Speaker 3: to be the Governess, and then it's going to be

1991
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Speaker 3: the new one from Ozzie, who's the super called the Supernerd.

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Speaker 3: Now nobody knows who the Supernerd is. I mean, he's

1993
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Speaker 3: been there five minutes. But the Governess, I'm told, is

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Speaker 3: like the face of the chase. So that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: So that kicks off, and I'm actually here for this

1996
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Speaker 3: because I love Paul Henry, love him, and he's hosting

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Speaker 3: the thing, and i'd watch it. I'm honestly going to

1998
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Speaker 3: watch it just for Paul Henry, just for the lolls

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Speaker 3: that that man's going to deliver. But there you go.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got Paul Henry and the Governess and the

2001
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Speaker 3: other one from Australia who doesn't really matter anyway. There

2002
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Speaker 3: is a bridge in China that has been constructed that

2003
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Speaker 3: is like something out of my worst nightmare. You don't

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Speaker 3: I almost want to say, go and look at it,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like there's a trigger warning attached to

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Speaker 3: this that is probably greater than the trigger warning attached

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Speaker 3: to the plane that struck the bird. This bridge is

2008
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Speaker 3: the highest bridge in the world. It's in hua Jiang

2009
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Speaker 3: hua Jiang Grand Canyon, bridge in southern China. If you like,

2010
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Speaker 3: just to paint you the picture right, like as like

2011
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Speaker 3: a proper canyon. Right, you got one side, and you

2012
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Speaker 3: got the other side, and then you've got quick right

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Speaker 3: down at the bottom, and this bridge goes across right.

2014
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Speaker 3: And the bridge when you're standing in the middle and

2015
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Speaker 3: you're looking down at the bottom, it's a fall of

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Speaker 3: six hundred and twenty five meters to the valley below.

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Speaker 3: So if you get if you have a fear of heights,

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Speaker 3: and if looking down gives you the willies, which is me,

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Speaker 3: you're not gonna wun to cross it. But then I

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Speaker 3: know what you're thinking, We'll just shut your eyes and

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Speaker 3: walk and get over it.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: It's also the world's longest bridge in a mountainous area,

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Speaker 3: so in order to get from one side to the

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Speaker 3: other side, the thing is three long. Now, I don't

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Speaker 3: think the three k's is like spanning the edge to

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Speaker 3: the edge of the cliff, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I think that that danger zone where if you fool

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Speaker 3: you die from like it's stepping off again. Now there's

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Speaker 3: a valley below me to oh, the valley's behind me.

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Speaker 3: That is about one point five k's one point five

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Speaker 3: k's every k takes you ten minutes to walk. You

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Speaker 3: would have to walk for what fifteen you'd have to

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Speaker 3: walk for fifteen minutes to get back into safety. Good, hideous, hideous.

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Speaker 3: It was like my worst nightmare, Libby.

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Speaker 25: From one bridge to another. I've got a bit of

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Speaker 25: a dell with water under the bridge to take us up.

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Speaker 3: We didn't even plan this. It's like we're on the

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Speaker 3: same team as it was. Hive mind.

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Speaker 25: You kind of called this the other day. But Taylor

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Speaker 25: Swift has broken some records with her album. She's broken

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Speaker 25: Adull's previous streaming eero record, because that's what we have

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Speaker 25: to differentiate now. Yes, Adell in twenty fifteen with her

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Speaker 25: album twenty five sold three point three seven eight million

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Speaker 25: copies in the first week.

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Speaker 3: Apparently it's a lot of amazing love albums.

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Speaker 25: Those are both physical and digital. But The Life of

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Speaker 25: a Show Goal by Taylor Swift has sold three point

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Speaker 25: five million in the first week, so she's kind of

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Speaker 25: smashed it out.

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Speaker 3: The part brilliant stuff she's she's I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: she's she is impressive. We can say, yeah, we can

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Speaker 3: say that, all right, We'll see you tomorrow. Tomorrow is

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Speaker 3: a wonderful day, isn't it? Because's Friday? Enjoying the evening.

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