1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,693 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from news Talks EDB. Follow 2 00:00:12,773 --> 00:00:16,213 Speaker 1: this and our wide range of podcast now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:17,813 --> 00:00:22,053 Speaker 1: Inside the Game from every angle. It's Rugby Direct with 4 00:00:22,253 --> 00:00:24,013 Speaker 1: Elliott Smith powered. 5 00:00:23,613 --> 00:00:24,573 Speaker 2: By News Talks EDB. 6 00:00:24,933 --> 00:00:28,693 Speaker 3: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Access Solutions, elevating you 7 00:00:28,773 --> 00:00:32,293 Speaker 3: and your business to a higher level. After a few weeks, 8 00:00:32,333 --> 00:00:34,893 Speaker 3: we've hit the lights back on in the Rugby Direct 9 00:00:34,933 --> 00:00:38,813 Speaker 3: Auckland studio and we are back again. Elligott Smith with 10 00:00:38,853 --> 00:00:42,013 Speaker 3: me Liam napier As was to review the weekend that 11 00:00:42,333 --> 00:00:45,493 Speaker 3: was in Rugby and Liam, great to have your company 12 00:00:45,573 --> 00:00:48,053 Speaker 3: once again. I should flag this to the top of 13 00:00:48,053 --> 00:00:52,253 Speaker 3: the podcast. The handover has happened, but. 14 00:00:52,333 --> 00:00:55,613 Speaker 2: Special was very touching, very moving and it was only 15 00:00:55,613 --> 00:00:57,813 Speaker 2: fitting rarely after we spent a week in the Capitol 16 00:00:57,853 --> 00:01:01,333 Speaker 2: and it really won you over that we finally you 17 00:01:01,453 --> 00:01:04,213 Speaker 2: finally made good on the bet and you are now 18 00:01:04,253 --> 00:01:07,733 Speaker 2: willing to line supporter and I for one welcome you 19 00:01:07,853 --> 00:01:11,213 Speaker 2: to the fan and look forward to celebrating this year's 20 00:01:11,253 --> 00:01:11,893 Speaker 2: title with them. 21 00:01:12,573 --> 00:01:13,933 Speaker 3: Well on the back of what we saw on the 22 00:01:13,973 --> 00:01:18,173 Speaker 3: weekends being absolutely pumped by Counties Monaco that shirt. Very 23 00:01:18,173 --> 00:01:21,213 Speaker 3: grateful I am for Wellington Rugby donating it and sending 24 00:01:21,253 --> 00:01:23,493 Speaker 3: it up is going to depreciate seriously in Valley on 25 00:01:23,493 --> 00:01:24,573 Speaker 3: the back of that lost to Counties. 26 00:01:24,693 --> 00:01:28,413 Speaker 2: Well look, let's just say Canterbury had their worst loss 27 00:01:28,413 --> 00:01:28,933 Speaker 2: in history. 28 00:01:29,013 --> 00:01:30,613 Speaker 4: So it's a good time vie to jump ship. 29 00:01:31,093 --> 00:01:34,453 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's go the Tasman Marco. Right, let's get 30 00:01:34,453 --> 00:01:36,813 Speaker 3: into the weekend that was. You can catch a video 31 00:01:36,973 --> 00:01:38,293 Speaker 3: by the way, Liam's going to put up on his 32 00:01:38,293 --> 00:01:41,453 Speaker 3: social media if it's not the already but later on 33 00:01:41,493 --> 00:01:43,853 Speaker 3: ons the podcast is out. But let's get into the 34 00:01:43,893 --> 00:01:46,133 Speaker 3: weekend that was the All Blacks thirty three, the Wallaby's 35 00:01:46,133 --> 00:01:50,533 Speaker 3: at thirteen in the Capitol final game of the Rugby Championship, 36 00:01:50,613 --> 00:01:53,973 Speaker 3: second game out of the Bledderslow Cup series, and the 37 00:01:54,013 --> 00:01:57,293 Speaker 3: All Blacks were I don't know how you to describe it, Liam, 38 00:01:57,333 --> 00:02:02,253 Speaker 3: but I'd say dominant without being clinical and left a 39 00:02:02,253 --> 00:02:04,973 Speaker 3: fair few points out there. But it was certainly I 40 00:02:04,973 --> 00:02:07,333 Speaker 3: thought an improvement on the week prior from the All Blacks. 41 00:02:07,573 --> 00:02:11,133 Speaker 3: A couple of things extinguished, the Capital Curse, the last 42 00:02:11,173 --> 00:02:15,533 Speaker 3: twenty minute fades, all those things sort of out but 43 00:02:15,773 --> 00:02:18,173 Speaker 3: still left about out there on the park. What did 44 00:02:18,173 --> 00:02:18,693 Speaker 3: you make of it? 45 00:02:19,333 --> 00:02:19,733 Speaker 4: They did? 46 00:02:19,853 --> 00:02:21,333 Speaker 2: Yes, look it was a step forward for the ou 47 00:02:21,373 --> 00:02:25,613 Speaker 2: Blecks and it needed to be particularly just given the opposition. Right, 48 00:02:25,973 --> 00:02:28,133 Speaker 2: let's be real about where the Wallerbries are at tenth 49 00:02:28,213 --> 00:02:30,173 Speaker 2: in the world. You gave him a good uppercut last 50 00:02:30,173 --> 00:02:32,533 Speaker 2: week and said that they were the in your type 51 00:02:32,573 --> 00:02:37,893 Speaker 2: five column the Westerndies of world rugby, so I'm not 52 00:02:37,893 --> 00:02:39,813 Speaker 2: sure if they put that on their changing room walls. 53 00:02:40,133 --> 00:02:43,253 Speaker 2: Possibly may have inspired this start, actually because they started 54 00:02:43,293 --> 00:02:43,973 Speaker 2: really well. 55 00:02:43,773 --> 00:02:46,973 Speaker 3: Started love the West Indies started strongly. Chris gailisk came 56 00:02:47,013 --> 00:02:48,653 Speaker 3: out of the blocks herely then had nothing to back 57 00:02:48,693 --> 00:02:48,933 Speaker 3: it up. 58 00:02:49,053 --> 00:02:52,133 Speaker 2: That's right, swung for the fences and did really bring 59 00:02:52,133 --> 00:02:54,613 Speaker 2: a fearless attitude and should have been up fourteen. Nils 60 00:02:55,213 --> 00:02:57,293 Speaker 2: had the Oblacks on the rack to a degree, some 61 00:02:57,413 --> 00:03:03,053 Speaker 2: nice Joshits specials scrum moves and we've seen that over 62 00:03:03,053 --> 00:03:05,533 Speaker 2: the last two weeks, but couldn't maintain it. 63 00:03:05,653 --> 00:03:06,653 Speaker 4: They don't have the depth. 64 00:03:07,853 --> 00:03:10,213 Speaker 2: They had some prolonged periods on the All Blacks line 65 00:03:10,213 --> 00:03:13,093 Speaker 2: in the second half, but they conceded twenty one unanswered 66 00:03:13,093 --> 00:03:16,253 Speaker 2: points and the All Blacks were vastly improved in the 67 00:03:16,293 --> 00:03:18,893 Speaker 2: second half. They got a bit more pay from their 68 00:03:18,973 --> 00:03:23,253 Speaker 2: bench to mite Williams was excellent, Patrick Tupolotu and look, 69 00:03:23,453 --> 00:03:24,773 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'd go as far as say 70 00:03:24,773 --> 00:03:28,493 Speaker 2: the final quarters fades have been banished, but certainly the 71 00:03:28,493 --> 00:03:33,213 Speaker 2: capital curse has and it was a positive step for 72 00:03:33,253 --> 00:03:37,293 Speaker 2: the All Blacks and what was a patchy Rugby Championship campaign. 73 00:03:37,533 --> 00:03:40,333 Speaker 3: It was similar the last week in periods where I 74 00:03:40,333 --> 00:03:42,493 Speaker 3: felt the dam was about to break off the Wallabies 75 00:03:42,493 --> 00:03:44,893 Speaker 3: and the All Blacks just couldn't quite get there. The 76 00:03:45,093 --> 00:03:47,893 Speaker 3: cross for tries. It felt early in the second spell 77 00:03:47,973 --> 00:03:49,773 Speaker 3: that if they had scored one they might have been 78 00:03:49,813 --> 00:03:52,053 Speaker 3: able to score one, two, three pretty quickly. As it was, 79 00:03:52,453 --> 00:03:54,013 Speaker 3: they got scored one when able to back it up. 80 00:03:54,053 --> 00:03:56,213 Speaker 3: There were little eras in the twenty two. There was 81 00:03:56,253 --> 00:03:58,093 Speaker 3: a t J. Pett and Ara knock on from the 82 00:03:58,173 --> 00:04:01,013 Speaker 3: quick tap which very much felt like lived by the sword, 83 00:04:01,013 --> 00:04:03,933 Speaker 3: Die by the sword sort of stuff from the All Blacks. 84 00:04:04,293 --> 00:04:06,653 Speaker 3: You're right, the last twenty could still have been better 85 00:04:06,693 --> 00:04:08,853 Speaker 3: from the All Blacks. They finally got some points in 86 00:04:08,893 --> 00:04:12,093 Speaker 3: the last twenty, but I thought more so than the 87 00:04:12,093 --> 00:04:15,093 Speaker 3: perhaps the attack, the defensive shift from the All Blacks 88 00:04:15,133 --> 00:04:18,053 Speaker 3: is probably the most pleasing considered that try early could 89 00:04:18,053 --> 00:04:21,053 Speaker 3: have gone fourteen kneel down. But for a ball being 90 00:04:21,093 --> 00:04:23,413 Speaker 3: placed in the end goal when it was kicked through 91 00:04:24,573 --> 00:04:26,773 Speaker 3: bone Barratt mister it Jake Gorden could have got there 92 00:04:28,573 --> 00:04:29,853 Speaker 3: and then the end of the while he could have 93 00:04:29,853 --> 00:04:31,693 Speaker 3: got a consolation try at the end, and I think 94 00:04:32,533 --> 00:04:34,653 Speaker 3: the try wouldn't have mattered. But it was quite pleasing 95 00:04:34,693 --> 00:04:36,453 Speaker 3: to see the All Blacks put in a shift on 96 00:04:36,493 --> 00:04:40,053 Speaker 3: their line didn't break. I think there's a lot to 97 00:04:40,053 --> 00:04:42,173 Speaker 3: be learned from that, and the defensive system seems to 98 00:04:42,213 --> 00:04:45,613 Speaker 3: be holding up relatively well better than it did the 99 00:04:45,613 --> 00:04:47,373 Speaker 3: previous week any when they were cut to shreds a 100 00:04:47,373 --> 00:04:48,933 Speaker 3: little bit, especially when they were down to thirteen. 101 00:04:49,653 --> 00:04:52,493 Speaker 2: The All Blacks defense this year's on the whole been 102 00:04:52,533 --> 00:04:56,053 Speaker 2: pretty good and they're actually bringing some really aggressive defense 103 00:04:56,373 --> 00:05:00,413 Speaker 2: and looking to play and that Bill Blacks for me, 104 00:05:00,773 --> 00:05:03,253 Speaker 2: have looked at their best from an unstructured play and 105 00:05:03,293 --> 00:05:06,973 Speaker 2: that was again evident in Wellington. They scored from turnovers, 106 00:05:07,093 --> 00:05:10,773 Speaker 2: they scored from broken play, whether it's Sevarice coming off 107 00:05:10,813 --> 00:05:14,173 Speaker 2: as wing or Boden Barrett ghosting across field, Wallace a 108 00:05:14,253 --> 00:05:19,293 Speaker 2: TSI in the midfields roaming off floating, so putting pressure 109 00:05:19,293 --> 00:05:21,933 Speaker 2: on with your defense and getting turnover possession. That's when 110 00:05:21,973 --> 00:05:25,573 Speaker 2: the All Blacks thrive. But on their line this was 111 00:05:26,213 --> 00:05:30,453 Speaker 2: a real standard bearing second half wasn't As Scott Barrett 112 00:05:30,453 --> 00:05:33,253 Speaker 2: talked to that in the postmatch press, Currents talked about 113 00:05:33,493 --> 00:05:36,053 Speaker 2: the fact that that needed to be the standard that 114 00:05:36,093 --> 00:05:38,533 Speaker 2: they carry north because they are going to be under 115 00:05:38,533 --> 00:05:43,173 Speaker 2: massive pressure at times against Ireland, England France and they 116 00:05:43,173 --> 00:05:47,413 Speaker 2: are going to need to remain composed and their discipline 117 00:05:47,573 --> 00:05:49,253 Speaker 2: still remains a bit of an issue. I think they 118 00:05:49,293 --> 00:05:52,333 Speaker 2: considered the first six penalties against the Wallabies. There's another 119 00:05:52,533 --> 00:05:55,773 Speaker 2: late yellow card maybe a bit harsh for Caleb Clark, 120 00:05:56,253 --> 00:05:58,573 Speaker 2: but they think that's six in the past four tests. 121 00:05:58,653 --> 00:06:01,253 Speaker 2: So discipline is still an area they need to improve. 122 00:06:01,373 --> 00:06:03,533 Speaker 2: But that defense on their own line was a big 123 00:06:03,533 --> 00:06:04,133 Speaker 2: step forward. 124 00:06:04,253 --> 00:06:06,613 Speaker 3: It was I thought Nicko Mischa Kelly actually had a 125 00:06:06,613 --> 00:06:11,813 Speaker 3: pretty good game with the referee. He was consistent. He 126 00:06:12,013 --> 00:06:16,213 Speaker 3: was slightly pedantic, but at least he was consistent. One 127 00:06:16,253 --> 00:06:18,213 Speaker 3: of that quick release ball very very much and we 128 00:06:18,253 --> 00:06:20,453 Speaker 3: saw a lot of early penalties basically hit the floor 129 00:06:20,893 --> 00:06:22,893 Speaker 3: and he'd blow it up, you know. He was onto 130 00:06:22,893 --> 00:06:24,773 Speaker 3: that pretty quickly. So it took while for the All 131 00:06:24,773 --> 00:06:26,493 Speaker 3: Blacks to adjust to what he wanted to see. I 132 00:06:26,533 --> 00:06:28,413 Speaker 3: think they got that by the second spell. Discipline was 133 00:06:28,413 --> 00:06:32,093 Speaker 3: a lot better after halftime. Yellow cart aside, what the 134 00:06:32,133 --> 00:06:34,013 Speaker 3: All Blacks did well as well. With the tackle count 135 00:06:34,053 --> 00:06:37,253 Speaker 3: it was roughly one hundred versus fifty. The All Blacks 136 00:06:37,253 --> 00:06:39,613 Speaker 3: had to make one hundred and the first spell Wallaby's 137 00:06:39,653 --> 00:06:42,693 Speaker 3: just fifty. By full time it was relatively even around 138 00:06:42,693 --> 00:06:45,853 Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy each and so the Warbies had 139 00:06:45,853 --> 00:06:47,773 Speaker 3: to make about one hundred and twenty second half tackles 140 00:06:48,173 --> 00:06:51,173 Speaker 3: and the All Blacks had to make a roughly seventy themselves, 141 00:06:51,173 --> 00:06:53,693 Speaker 3: So they forced the Warbies into a bit more defensive 142 00:06:53,733 --> 00:06:56,773 Speaker 3: pressure in the second spell. Able to build periods pressure 143 00:06:56,853 --> 00:06:58,333 Speaker 3: under for periods of time, and I think it's been 144 00:06:58,373 --> 00:07:00,973 Speaker 3: an issue with the All Blacks is building pressure that've 145 00:07:00,973 --> 00:07:05,013 Speaker 3: scored tryers, breakout tries, but pressure in the twenty two 146 00:07:05,053 --> 00:07:07,653 Speaker 3: has not been something been able to do often enough 147 00:07:07,733 --> 00:07:10,733 Speaker 3: this year like teams have been able to do to 148 00:07:10,773 --> 00:07:12,253 Speaker 3: them building pressure in the twenty two. 149 00:07:12,733 --> 00:07:13,773 Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't perfect. 150 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:17,773 Speaker 2: There were still some a lot of frustrating moments handling 151 00:07:17,813 --> 00:07:22,773 Speaker 2: eras there was a number of offloads that were dropped 152 00:07:22,813 --> 00:07:25,973 Speaker 2: and the TJ. Pedrian are a quick tap from a penalty, 153 00:07:26,973 --> 00:07:29,893 Speaker 2: you know a little instances that are still not quite clicking. 154 00:07:30,693 --> 00:07:35,693 Speaker 2: But the last quarter, the finish was vastly improved, wasn't it. 155 00:07:35,893 --> 00:07:39,533 Speaker 2: Bill Blacks had one try denied for Cody Taylor bobble 156 00:07:39,733 --> 00:07:42,173 Speaker 2: at the ruck, but then they scored in that last 157 00:07:42,293 --> 00:07:45,773 Speaker 2: quarter and they did apply a lot of pressure to 158 00:07:45,813 --> 00:07:49,613 Speaker 2: the Wallabies in that periods. So it was a massive 159 00:07:49,653 --> 00:07:53,493 Speaker 2: steps forward from the previous week in Sydney when they collapsed, 160 00:07:53,693 --> 00:07:57,893 Speaker 2: and from blowing leads against South Africa in South Africa, 161 00:07:58,173 --> 00:08:01,933 Speaker 2: the Pumas and Wellington previously. And thank god that the 162 00:08:02,013 --> 00:08:07,333 Speaker 2: Capitol curse has been broken because that's been absolutely bizarre, hudo, 163 00:08:07,453 --> 00:08:07,933 Speaker 2: isn't it. 164 00:08:07,933 --> 00:08:11,093 Speaker 3: It has been very very odd, no rhyme or reason 165 00:08:11,173 --> 00:08:15,333 Speaker 3: to it, you know, draws, losses, It's been very odd. 166 00:08:15,333 --> 00:08:17,813 Speaker 3: But fortunately that's banished until we get to next year 167 00:08:17,853 --> 00:08:19,733 Speaker 3: when you can bring out the stat the All Blacks 168 00:08:19,733 --> 00:08:21,693 Speaker 3: have won only two of their last what is eight 169 00:08:21,853 --> 00:08:25,533 Speaker 3: at sky Stadium, so did but maybe not exactly buried. 170 00:08:26,333 --> 00:08:28,853 Speaker 3: A couple other things from the game, Sam Kine, tjped 171 00:08:28,893 --> 00:08:31,853 Speaker 3: Andara Milestone game, so them Sam Kain's one hundredth TJ 172 00:08:31,933 --> 00:08:34,613 Speaker 3: Pedanara final game on home soil. I think it was 173 00:08:34,653 --> 00:08:37,973 Speaker 3: an eighty eighth test. On the weekends. We were in 174 00:08:37,973 --> 00:08:40,053 Speaker 3: the media conference room when the Wallabies were giving their 175 00:08:40,093 --> 00:08:42,733 Speaker 3: post match media conference and it's right next to where 176 00:08:42,733 --> 00:08:44,813 Speaker 3: the All Blacks changing rooms were for that night, and 177 00:08:44,973 --> 00:08:48,333 Speaker 3: the Wolves were absolutely shaking with a pretty fiery hucker 178 00:08:48,453 --> 00:08:51,373 Speaker 3: which we later found out was from the All Blacks 179 00:08:51,413 --> 00:08:55,213 Speaker 3: towards samkin led by t J Petanara. Look a special 180 00:08:55,213 --> 00:08:57,973 Speaker 3: occasion for both of those players to sign off their 181 00:08:58,173 --> 00:09:00,893 Speaker 3: careers in New Zealand. We saw the guard of honor 182 00:09:01,293 --> 00:09:03,773 Speaker 3: for Sam Kain. Look special night for both of them. 183 00:09:03,813 --> 00:09:05,373 Speaker 3: We're going to get into whether they should go on 184 00:09:05,373 --> 00:09:07,973 Speaker 3: the Endigate tour but later on. But you know, there's 185 00:09:08,013 --> 00:09:10,133 Speaker 3: only few teen all back centurions and now Sam Kane 186 00:09:10,213 --> 00:09:10,973 Speaker 3: is one of them. 187 00:09:11,333 --> 00:09:15,533 Speaker 2: He is and there's probably been none other that's gone 188 00:09:15,573 --> 00:09:20,373 Speaker 2: through such adversity to get there. I didn't think either 189 00:09:20,413 --> 00:09:23,613 Speaker 2: of them, you know, had the greatest games, to be honest. 190 00:09:23,653 --> 00:09:26,613 Speaker 2: I thought Sam missed a couple of pretty obvious tackles 191 00:09:26,613 --> 00:09:30,293 Speaker 2: in the first half and TJ was a bit you know, 192 00:09:30,453 --> 00:09:33,093 Speaker 2: erratic at times. But it is a big occasion and 193 00:09:33,613 --> 00:09:35,853 Speaker 2: It is a really a nice way for those guys 194 00:09:35,893 --> 00:09:39,213 Speaker 2: to finish with a victory with standing ovations when when 195 00:09:39,253 --> 00:09:42,853 Speaker 2: they left the field. The Postmas presentation was very emotional 196 00:09:42,853 --> 00:09:45,173 Speaker 2: for Sam Kane, Boden Barrett presenting his cap and as 197 00:09:45,213 --> 00:09:49,773 Speaker 2: you mentioned, the inner sanctum hucker so got. He's a 198 00:09:49,813 --> 00:09:54,693 Speaker 2: guy who has been through a broken neck. He fronted 199 00:09:54,733 --> 00:09:58,293 Speaker 2: through the lows of m Foster era and the red 200 00:09:58,293 --> 00:10:01,213 Speaker 2: card in the World Cup Final and you know, fully 201 00:10:01,253 --> 00:10:04,573 Speaker 2: deserving of such a milestone, isn't he. 202 00:10:05,533 --> 00:10:07,373 Speaker 4: And interesting to see where things go now. 203 00:10:07,573 --> 00:10:10,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say about Sam Kain is that he's coming 204 00:10:10,133 --> 00:10:12,733 Speaker 3: for plenty of criticism, but he has always fronted up 205 00:10:14,013 --> 00:10:16,853 Speaker 3: post match after the World Cup Final. I mean, there 206 00:10:16,853 --> 00:10:19,093 Speaker 3: was the criticism of the Chiefs last year which has 207 00:10:19,133 --> 00:10:21,533 Speaker 3: been explained away, but by and large, Sam Kaine has 208 00:10:21,533 --> 00:10:23,853 Speaker 3: fronted up when things have not been going well on 209 00:10:23,893 --> 00:10:26,133 Speaker 3: the All Blacks jersey, which has been a semi regular 210 00:10:26,133 --> 00:10:28,613 Speaker 3: occurrence in recent years. He's been one of the public 211 00:10:28,613 --> 00:10:31,413 Speaker 3: faces of that team and he's always fronted to media 212 00:10:31,453 --> 00:10:33,853 Speaker 3: and answered some questions. Yeah. 213 00:10:33,853 --> 00:10:37,013 Speaker 2: Another thing I like about Cain is that if you 214 00:10:37,013 --> 00:10:39,573 Speaker 2: think about All Blacks captains in recent times, they're very 215 00:10:39,573 --> 00:10:43,573 Speaker 2: good at saying nothing and actually doing that on purpose 216 00:10:43,613 --> 00:10:46,613 Speaker 2: to a degree. I know the All Blacks Captains run 217 00:10:47,333 --> 00:10:51,133 Speaker 2: is set with a stopwatch, but Cain, no matter what 218 00:10:51,173 --> 00:10:54,213 Speaker 2: the circumstances were, you always felt like he listened to 219 00:10:54,253 --> 00:10:56,813 Speaker 2: the question and did his best to genuinely answer it. 220 00:10:56,893 --> 00:11:00,333 Speaker 4: And that was through some very dark times. 221 00:11:00,053 --> 00:11:04,253 Speaker 2: And from our side of the fence, I always respected that. 222 00:11:05,173 --> 00:11:07,453 Speaker 3: Right, Let's move on to some awards for the Rugby 223 00:11:07,533 --> 00:11:09,613 Speaker 3: Championship that we've carved out. 224 00:11:09,853 --> 00:11:10,533 Speaker 4: Drum roll. 225 00:11:12,533 --> 00:11:16,093 Speaker 3: The best All Blacks performer of the Rugby Championship. 226 00:11:17,373 --> 00:11:19,893 Speaker 2: Look, it's hard to go past the final of the year, 227 00:11:19,933 --> 00:11:24,493 Speaker 2: isn't it. Wallace a Titi playing in outer position largely. 228 00:11:25,053 --> 00:11:29,453 Speaker 2: He's not accustomed to blindside flanker and he will be, 229 00:11:30,133 --> 00:11:32,613 Speaker 2: in my view, the All Blacks long term number eight. 230 00:11:32,693 --> 00:11:35,053 Speaker 2: I think we will see a shift at some point there. 231 00:11:35,533 --> 00:11:37,613 Speaker 2: But for a young guy to come in and we've 232 00:11:37,653 --> 00:11:41,293 Speaker 2: seen this with others in South Africa, but thrusting to 233 00:11:41,413 --> 00:11:46,093 Speaker 2: start because of injury and he hasn't been perfect, missed 234 00:11:46,093 --> 00:11:49,893 Speaker 2: the odd tackle here and there, but his relentless ball carrying, 235 00:11:50,773 --> 00:11:53,733 Speaker 2: his range of skill at quick feed, at the line 236 00:11:54,293 --> 00:11:58,133 Speaker 2: offloading line out ability, you know, line out steels at 237 00:11:58,173 --> 00:12:03,733 Speaker 2: the weekends, his confidence to demand the ball. 238 00:12:04,173 --> 00:12:05,853 Speaker 4: He's been exceptional. There's been others. 239 00:12:05,893 --> 00:12:09,773 Speaker 2: Caleb Clark I think is really impressed so yellow cards 240 00:12:09,813 --> 00:12:15,213 Speaker 2: aside Will Jordan's I think claimed that the fullback position 241 00:12:15,293 --> 00:12:17,813 Speaker 2: for now, of course is Ram has been good, but 242 00:12:18,333 --> 00:12:21,013 Speaker 2: Wallace a tt absolute standout. 243 00:12:21,573 --> 00:12:24,173 Speaker 3: I'm going to go with two pou Vi for the 244 00:12:24,213 --> 00:12:27,613 Speaker 3: best all blacks performing the Rugby Championship. I think back 245 00:12:27,613 --> 00:12:29,773 Speaker 3: to the start of the Rugby Championship, Scott Barrett was injured, 246 00:12:29,813 --> 00:12:32,693 Speaker 3: Patrick two pilot was injured. Two po five thrust into 247 00:12:32,853 --> 00:12:36,053 Speaker 3: being a starting lock, and not only that, but he 248 00:12:36,093 --> 00:12:38,333 Speaker 3: was calling the line outs for both of those Asian 249 00:12:38,373 --> 00:12:42,813 Speaker 3: Tina games. I thought he grew immensely through that period 250 00:12:42,893 --> 00:12:46,173 Speaker 3: of time. Started he started the last six seven tests 251 00:12:46,173 --> 00:12:49,013 Speaker 3: in a row. Now every test in the Rugby Championship 252 00:12:49,053 --> 00:12:53,013 Speaker 3: and his come into his own and looks like he 253 00:12:53,093 --> 00:12:56,253 Speaker 3: might have nailed on that other lock spot starting at 254 00:12:56,333 --> 00:12:59,213 Speaker 3: least for the moment beside Scott Barrett. When at the 255 00:12:59,213 --> 00:13:02,253 Speaker 3: start of the year Patrick twy PILOTU appeared set for that. 256 00:13:02,293 --> 00:13:04,813 Speaker 3: Patrick twop a loto gets injured, Two po Vi comes in. 257 00:13:05,053 --> 00:13:07,053 Speaker 3: He's doing outstanding job I think in the second row 258 00:13:07,213 --> 00:13:09,853 Speaker 3: carrying very hard across the park as well grade line 259 00:13:09,853 --> 00:13:10,253 Speaker 3: out option. 260 00:13:10,853 --> 00:13:13,893 Speaker 2: I'm giving it to two per h totally agree. The 261 00:13:13,973 --> 00:13:17,053 Speaker 2: other one for me is to Mighty Williams. I think 262 00:13:17,413 --> 00:13:20,293 Speaker 2: he would two starts in South Africa when Ethan the 263 00:13:20,293 --> 00:13:24,613 Speaker 2: group was injured. For me, he has surpassed the group 264 00:13:24,693 --> 00:13:27,373 Speaker 2: and that might be a wee bit unfair because the 265 00:13:27,413 --> 00:13:29,973 Speaker 2: group's coming back from injury, maybe still finding his feet. 266 00:13:30,173 --> 00:13:33,053 Speaker 2: But Tomighty just offers so much more around the field 267 00:13:33,493 --> 00:13:37,853 Speaker 2: and he proved him himself from a scrummaging perspective, but 268 00:13:38,533 --> 00:13:42,933 Speaker 2: ball carrying, defensively, mobility, he offers a lot more. But 269 00:13:42,973 --> 00:13:46,613 Speaker 2: it is an interesting dynamic that because then the group's 270 00:13:46,653 --> 00:13:48,373 Speaker 2: not really a prospect you bring off the bench to 271 00:13:48,453 --> 00:13:51,253 Speaker 2: Mighty does that role very well, so it's interesting to 272 00:13:51,253 --> 00:13:52,133 Speaker 2: see where that goes. 273 00:13:52,733 --> 00:13:55,773 Speaker 3: All right, So the biggest upset in the Rugby Championship 274 00:13:57,533 --> 00:13:58,533 Speaker 3: Plumas and Wellington. 275 00:13:59,693 --> 00:14:03,893 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think anyone really rarely saw that coming 276 00:14:04,933 --> 00:14:09,333 Speaker 2: and it probably speaks to then shift that we need 277 00:14:09,373 --> 00:14:11,253 Speaker 2: to have with the Pumas about where they are at. 278 00:14:12,293 --> 00:14:14,653 Speaker 2: You know, they beat the Springboks in South Africa, they 279 00:14:14,653 --> 00:14:17,333 Speaker 2: should have beaten the Wallabies twice. They handed them their 280 00:14:17,333 --> 00:14:20,733 Speaker 2: worst defeat in history and that second match, I think 281 00:14:21,333 --> 00:14:24,853 Speaker 2: they are rarely starting to build something under Felipe Contapomei. 282 00:14:25,773 --> 00:14:27,573 Speaker 2: I still don't think they'll should be losing to them 283 00:14:27,573 --> 00:14:30,093 Speaker 2: at home, but they demanded a lot more respect, So 284 00:14:30,693 --> 00:14:32,533 Speaker 2: for me, that was a shock result. 285 00:14:32,653 --> 00:14:35,693 Speaker 3: Yeah. Biggest uposite for me would probably be Australia beating Argentina. 286 00:14:36,413 --> 00:14:42,573 Speaker 3: Yeah no, actually it would be Argentina beating South Africa. Yes, 287 00:14:42,573 --> 00:14:44,133 Speaker 3: they rested a couple of players, but it was a 288 00:14:44,173 --> 00:14:47,093 Speaker 3: very good performance from Argentina. Unfortunately couldn't back it up 289 00:14:47,173 --> 00:14:50,333 Speaker 3: in the Rugby Championship decider on the weekend in South Africa. 290 00:14:51,413 --> 00:14:54,413 Speaker 3: But they are clearly growing. I like what Felippe Kontopomi's 291 00:14:54,453 --> 00:14:58,773 Speaker 3: doing with that team, and you know that maybell build 292 00:14:59,253 --> 00:15:03,173 Speaker 3: ahead of the twenty twenty seven Rugby World Cup. Worst 293 00:15:03,253 --> 00:15:08,813 Speaker 3: moment out of the Rugby Championship look best moment for me. 294 00:15:10,813 --> 00:15:12,413 Speaker 3: I've got to give it to you. The way that 295 00:15:12,493 --> 00:15:14,973 Speaker 3: South Africa played, You've got to give just as an 296 00:15:15,013 --> 00:15:18,653 Speaker 3: overall picture coming out of World Cup is always tricky, 297 00:15:18,933 --> 00:15:22,653 Speaker 3: but I think they improved on what they put on 298 00:15:22,693 --> 00:15:25,653 Speaker 3: the Paddock last year. So for me, if I had 299 00:15:25,733 --> 00:15:27,973 Speaker 3: to narrow it down to a specific moment, probably the 300 00:15:28,013 --> 00:15:32,293 Speaker 3: South African comeback and at Alice Park that showed grit, 301 00:15:32,333 --> 00:15:35,493 Speaker 3: that showed termination. Didn't like it as a New Zealander. 302 00:15:35,533 --> 00:15:38,733 Speaker 3: But credit to South Africa because the Rugby Championship changes 303 00:15:38,853 --> 00:15:41,253 Speaker 3: big time on the basis that last ten minutes in 304 00:15:41,253 --> 00:15:43,373 Speaker 3: that Test match and all of a sudden South afri 305 00:15:43,373 --> 00:15:46,853 Speaker 3: could go through and whin the Rugby Championship. If they don't, 306 00:15:46,933 --> 00:15:48,693 Speaker 3: they slipped to a loss to the All Blacks. Very 307 00:15:48,773 --> 00:15:52,773 Speaker 3: very changeable sort of tournament from that point onwards. So 308 00:15:52,813 --> 00:15:56,453 Speaker 3: best moment goes to South Africa. Worst moment don't really 309 00:15:56,453 --> 00:15:59,773 Speaker 3: have one. Probably if I had to look holistically, probably 310 00:15:59,773 --> 00:16:03,413 Speaker 3: that Australian collapse in La Plaza from just a sense 311 00:16:03,413 --> 00:16:05,013 Speaker 3: of what a hell is Australian rugby doing. 312 00:16:06,213 --> 00:16:11,613 Speaker 2: My best moment is the Park Test, as you'd a test, 313 00:16:11,653 --> 00:16:14,653 Speaker 2: just a magic occasion. Obviously watching from a farm myself 314 00:16:14,653 --> 00:16:18,253 Speaker 2: this time, but I think there's something special about that 315 00:16:18,293 --> 00:16:23,533 Speaker 2: ground that evokes just brilliant test matches every time, the vibe, 316 00:16:23,693 --> 00:16:26,613 Speaker 2: the history of the legacy, everything that comes with it. 317 00:16:27,053 --> 00:16:28,973 Speaker 2: The All Blacks up by ten points and then they 318 00:16:28,973 --> 00:16:34,093 Speaker 2: couldn't hold on. Just a brilliant adversement for world rugby 319 00:16:34,853 --> 00:16:36,933 Speaker 2: and the worst moments. I'm going to go with a 320 00:16:37,053 --> 00:16:40,573 Speaker 2: half full Caketon for the All Blacks against the Pumas. 321 00:16:40,813 --> 00:16:44,893 Speaker 2: That's a really bad look for the All Blacks for Wellington. 322 00:16:45,813 --> 00:16:49,013 Speaker 2: I'm not sure we've touched on different reasoning for that, 323 00:16:49,093 --> 00:16:51,693 Speaker 2: whether the Puma's are on a lure where there's a 324 00:16:51,693 --> 00:16:54,893 Speaker 2: bit of apathy there. But last weekend it was sold 325 00:16:54,893 --> 00:16:55,773 Speaker 2: out for the Wallabies. 326 00:16:56,053 --> 00:16:59,133 Speaker 3: It was and it was a great atmosphere, amazing waterfront 327 00:16:59,213 --> 00:17:01,333 Speaker 3: on the weekend. Part of me thinks that there might 328 00:17:01,373 --> 00:17:04,373 Speaker 3: have been some sort of joint family trips where some 329 00:17:04,453 --> 00:17:06,053 Speaker 3: members of the family went off to the rugby on 330 00:17:06,093 --> 00:17:08,333 Speaker 3: the Saturday night and some members went to the World 331 00:17:08,373 --> 00:17:10,933 Speaker 3: of Wearable Arts and made a weekend out of it 332 00:17:10,973 --> 00:17:13,693 Speaker 3: with the family, and that contributed to a real sense 333 00:17:13,733 --> 00:17:16,373 Speaker 3: of occasion around Wellington that things are actually happening in 334 00:17:16,413 --> 00:17:19,973 Speaker 3: the city. A lot of All Blacks, Wallaby's jerseys around 335 00:17:20,093 --> 00:17:22,573 Speaker 3: and families around on the weekend. It was a real 336 00:17:22,613 --> 00:17:24,973 Speaker 3: sense of occasion for a Test match, which you don't 337 00:17:24,973 --> 00:17:28,253 Speaker 3: often find, maybe outside of Dunedin, Hamilton and New Zealand. 338 00:17:28,253 --> 00:17:29,573 Speaker 3: Some of the biggest cities. You just don't get that, 339 00:17:29,613 --> 00:17:30,893 Speaker 3: but you did on Saturday. 340 00:17:30,693 --> 00:17:33,253 Speaker 2: Yes, Sam Caine, noting it was the best he'd seen 341 00:17:33,253 --> 00:17:35,893 Speaker 2: Wellington and he played a number of test matches there 342 00:17:35,933 --> 00:17:38,733 Speaker 2: and it was really heartening to see locals come up 343 00:17:38,773 --> 00:17:41,253 Speaker 2: and see you and say, oh, are you in the 344 00:17:41,653 --> 00:17:45,573 Speaker 2: world of wearable arts? Because it's really admiring your outfits. 345 00:17:45,653 --> 00:17:47,493 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was that Wellington Lines Jersey. You gave me 346 00:17:48,373 --> 00:17:50,813 Speaker 3: right beat to Itale, What have you got for us live? Oh? 347 00:17:50,893 --> 00:17:52,613 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've gone back and forth on this one, but 348 00:17:53,053 --> 00:17:56,933 Speaker 2: I'm going to go with your disgust when I gave 349 00:17:56,973 --> 00:17:59,853 Speaker 2: you a wee bloody Mary and the it was nice 350 00:17:59,853 --> 00:18:01,853 Speaker 2: to you to take me on one of the clubs. 351 00:18:01,933 --> 00:18:06,053 Speaker 2: I don't have a corded lounge membership, so Elliott took 352 00:18:06,093 --> 00:18:08,813 Speaker 2: me along graciously and I've got him a blame Mary. 353 00:18:08,893 --> 00:18:12,693 Speaker 2: After a couple of spruce and martinis with Oli Ritchie 354 00:18:12,733 --> 00:18:15,013 Speaker 2: and the disgust on your face, Sally, I don't think 355 00:18:15,013 --> 00:18:17,733 Speaker 2: I'll ever forget that, so I had to drink it myself. 356 00:18:17,813 --> 00:18:23,613 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, tomato is for saucers, not for juice, and every 357 00:18:23,733 --> 00:18:30,133 Speaker 3: time Lingam Napier gets one of them. It disgusts me quite. 358 00:18:29,973 --> 00:18:31,573 Speaker 4: Frankly, still looking for a sponsorship. 359 00:18:31,893 --> 00:18:33,813 Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can go and do your own podcast 360 00:18:33,853 --> 00:18:36,573 Speaker 3: if you're going to do that. bestI Itali. Actually that 361 00:18:36,613 --> 00:18:38,093 Speaker 3: might be my best one as well, because I just 362 00:18:38,093 --> 00:18:40,573 Speaker 3: didn't have to drink tomato juice. It was a great 363 00:18:40,573 --> 00:18:44,253 Speaker 3: couple of weeks though in Sydney and Wellington enjoyed we 364 00:18:44,413 --> 00:18:46,093 Speaker 3: spot of at. 365 00:18:45,973 --> 00:18:47,853 Speaker 4: Cujie Shout out to the Cujie Pavilion. 366 00:18:47,933 --> 00:18:49,693 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a good good wie spot. All right, 367 00:18:49,893 --> 00:18:53,773 Speaker 3: serious matters grade the Rugby Championship for the All Blacks. 368 00:18:55,253 --> 00:18:56,813 Speaker 2: I've gone back and forth on this one, as you 369 00:18:56,853 --> 00:18:59,733 Speaker 2: know earlier. I'm a very harsh marker. I'm gonna go 370 00:18:59,813 --> 00:19:03,853 Speaker 2: with a C plus, which I feel is quite generous, 371 00:19:05,133 --> 00:19:08,973 Speaker 2: and that's on the back of what happened at the weekend. 372 00:19:09,053 --> 00:19:11,533 Speaker 2: I think we've seen enough from this All Black team 373 00:19:12,533 --> 00:19:13,693 Speaker 2: to suggest. 374 00:19:13,333 --> 00:19:16,373 Speaker 4: That they're there, that they are close ish. 375 00:19:17,213 --> 00:19:21,533 Speaker 2: But if you step back three and three, you lose 376 00:19:21,573 --> 00:19:25,213 Speaker 2: the Rugby Championship title for the first time since twenty nineteen. 377 00:19:25,253 --> 00:19:28,213 Speaker 2: You lose the Freedom Cup for the first time I 378 00:19:28,253 --> 00:19:30,533 Speaker 2: think it was in fifteen years. You know, there's pittures 379 00:19:30,573 --> 00:19:33,493 Speaker 2: going around the Springboks fully deserving, but they're on their 380 00:19:33,493 --> 00:19:36,493 Speaker 2: team bus, look like they're having rum and coke, maybe 381 00:19:36,493 --> 00:19:42,533 Speaker 2: some clippies branding drinking out of the Rugby Championship title, 382 00:19:42,613 --> 00:19:45,853 Speaker 2: you know those a lot of those players have. That's 383 00:19:45,893 --> 00:19:49,293 Speaker 2: the first time they've they've won that title. So I 384 00:19:49,333 --> 00:19:51,933 Speaker 2: think you could say on balance it was a failure 385 00:19:51,973 --> 00:19:54,893 Speaker 2: that the Rugby Championship from an All Black perspective. 386 00:19:54,733 --> 00:19:57,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you could rugby Championship when we ran 387 00:19:57,613 --> 00:19:59,173 Speaker 3: in a couple of years. It's going to be dismandled. 388 00:20:00,213 --> 00:20:01,173 Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. 389 00:20:01,213 --> 00:20:03,533 Speaker 2: And look two years ago the All Blacks went one 390 00:20:03,533 --> 00:20:06,693 Speaker 2: on one in South Africa. So I think the Springbok 391 00:20:06,733 --> 00:20:08,933 Speaker 2: team is better. But I think I think we are 392 00:20:09,053 --> 00:20:11,453 Speaker 2: right to demand excellence from this All Black team, as 393 00:20:11,493 --> 00:20:17,773 Speaker 2: they do from themselves. We're right to demand more and 394 00:20:16,693 --> 00:20:22,493 Speaker 2: it was it was just too inconsistent highs and lows, collapses, 395 00:20:23,173 --> 00:20:27,453 Speaker 2: second half fades, discipline issues, So that gray would have 396 00:20:27,493 --> 00:20:29,733 Speaker 2: been a lot worse had it not been for the weekend. 397 00:20:30,293 --> 00:20:32,893 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was asked by Brian Kelly a similar question 398 00:20:32,893 --> 00:20:35,773 Speaker 3: and I gave six out of ten six and a 399 00:20:35,773 --> 00:20:38,733 Speaker 3: half out of ten for them in terms of a 400 00:20:38,853 --> 00:20:43,213 Speaker 3: numerical number for the Rugby Championship. Promising signs, but a 401 00:20:43,253 --> 00:20:44,333 Speaker 3: lot of improvement required. 402 00:20:44,773 --> 00:20:46,933 Speaker 2: It's going to be a very very tough Northern tour. 403 00:20:47,453 --> 00:20:51,133 Speaker 2: And so what the All Blacks are? Six wins, three losses. 404 00:20:51,253 --> 00:20:54,933 Speaker 2: So it's very delicately poised, isn't it? 405 00:20:54,933 --> 00:20:56,813 Speaker 3: It is indeed right, let's take a break. 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Liam sam Kine, t J Purnara Should they 415 00:21:32,733 --> 00:21:35,093 Speaker 3: go on the end of year to a yes or no. 416 00:21:36,853 --> 00:21:39,613 Speaker 2: I'm on the fence about sam Kine, but TJ Piternara 417 00:21:39,653 --> 00:21:44,253 Speaker 2: I would say no. Cam Royguard is making his comeback 418 00:21:44,293 --> 00:21:47,853 Speaker 2: with County's. Monaco has missed all this year through a 419 00:21:47,893 --> 00:21:51,813 Speaker 2: torn patella. But and so there's a there's an element 420 00:21:52,013 --> 00:21:55,973 Speaker 2: of needing to protect him. A Weber and not throw 421 00:21:56,053 --> 00:22:00,533 Speaker 2: him and too soon. But he is an exceptional prospect 422 00:22:00,773 --> 00:22:05,253 Speaker 2: and my top three half backs in New Zealand are Courts. 423 00:22:06,533 --> 00:22:07,893 Speaker 4: Rogard and Noah Hotham. 424 00:22:07,933 --> 00:22:10,653 Speaker 2: So I would have TJ Petenarra with the All Blacks 425 00:22:10,653 --> 00:22:16,533 Speaker 2: fifteen and with Sam Kin. I don't mind him being 426 00:22:16,533 --> 00:22:18,693 Speaker 2: in the squad, but I want to see the All 427 00:22:18,733 --> 00:22:21,413 Speaker 2: Blacks evolve and so I think you could justify having 428 00:22:21,453 --> 00:22:24,773 Speaker 2: his leadership presence there. But I think it's time to 429 00:22:24,773 --> 00:22:27,613 Speaker 2: move on from him being a starter. And I think 430 00:22:27,653 --> 00:22:31,533 Speaker 2: we've seen while the game's up North will be different. 431 00:22:31,573 --> 00:22:33,813 Speaker 2: I think we saw the Wallabies target him at times 432 00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:38,493 Speaker 2: in open field. He's a great defender in the close quarters, 433 00:22:38,533 --> 00:22:40,773 Speaker 2: but he can be exposed in open field and I 434 00:22:41,213 --> 00:22:43,653 Speaker 2: think we saw that from the Wallabies. So I want 435 00:22:43,693 --> 00:22:45,293 Speaker 2: to see I want to see Ardie go to seven. 436 00:22:45,373 --> 00:22:47,653 Speaker 2: I want to see Wallace at eight. I don't know 437 00:22:47,693 --> 00:22:49,973 Speaker 2: why we're waiting to do that. I think Kine could 438 00:22:50,013 --> 00:22:52,573 Speaker 2: potentially be on the bench, but I want to see 439 00:22:52,573 --> 00:22:54,653 Speaker 2: some evolution there well. 440 00:22:55,053 --> 00:22:56,613 Speaker 3: As we discussed last week, I think you've got to 441 00:22:56,693 --> 00:23:00,293 Speaker 3: view each test and isolation and snowpoint looking twenty five 442 00:23:00,333 --> 00:23:02,413 Speaker 3: and beyond now because you're playing in twenty twenty four 443 00:23:04,453 --> 00:23:07,093 Speaker 3: and sam Kin for me, yes, didn't have a great 444 00:23:07,133 --> 00:23:09,413 Speaker 3: game at the weekend, but I think we're only a 445 00:23:09,493 --> 00:23:11,293 Speaker 3: year or move from probably the best game of his 446 00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:14,373 Speaker 3: Test career against Island in the quarter final. If he 447 00:23:14,373 --> 00:23:17,093 Speaker 3: can put out performances like that again in the closing 448 00:23:17,133 --> 00:23:19,693 Speaker 3: stages of Test one hundred and one, two, three, four, 449 00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:22,733 Speaker 3: whatever of his Test career, I think they're important to 450 00:23:22,733 --> 00:23:24,613 Speaker 3: have in the All Blacks, and then next year you 451 00:23:24,653 --> 00:23:25,933 Speaker 3: look for that open side thinker. 452 00:23:26,973 --> 00:23:28,573 Speaker 2: If you're looking at the composition of the bench, I 453 00:23:28,613 --> 00:23:32,013 Speaker 2: think there's an argument to potentially have Cain in the 454 00:23:32,053 --> 00:23:35,253 Speaker 2: mix on the bench. If you're looking at those closing 455 00:23:35,293 --> 00:23:38,973 Speaker 2: quarters experience, the makeup of it, he could be a 456 00:23:39,013 --> 00:23:42,573 Speaker 2: pretty valuable guy to have there. I just really want 457 00:23:42,573 --> 00:23:47,093 Speaker 2: to see Ardie and Wallace in that dynamic. I know 458 00:23:47,133 --> 00:23:50,973 Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter, you know the in Scott Robertson 459 00:23:51,053 --> 00:23:53,773 Speaker 2: certainly pushing the fact that Luis Ford trio at least 460 00:23:53,853 --> 00:23:56,533 Speaker 2: loose for is a versatile numbers don't matter, but while 461 00:23:56,533 --> 00:23:59,413 Speaker 2: it's off the back of the scrum could be very, 462 00:23:59,613 --> 00:24:03,693 Speaker 2: very damaging. And I think Artie is almost playing like 463 00:24:03,693 --> 00:24:07,213 Speaker 2: a seven now anyway, So I want to see that, 464 00:24:07,893 --> 00:24:10,733 Speaker 2: but I do think Sam has a role to play. 465 00:24:11,133 --> 00:24:14,053 Speaker 2: The question then, is if you do to take Sam Kame, 466 00:24:14,933 --> 00:24:17,733 Speaker 2: what to do Peter Luckeye and the remainder of the 467 00:24:17,733 --> 00:24:21,653 Speaker 2: loose forwards. Because the A's taking thirty six they had 468 00:24:21,653 --> 00:24:24,093 Speaker 2: thirty six in the Rugby Championship squad, there's no room 469 00:24:24,133 --> 00:24:27,613 Speaker 2: to move there. So I'll ask you what do you 470 00:24:27,653 --> 00:24:31,133 Speaker 2: do with Peter Luckeye and do all the All Blacks 471 00:24:31,173 --> 00:24:33,173 Speaker 2: loose forwards that we're in the Rugby Championship go north? 472 00:24:33,613 --> 00:24:35,173 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's going to be some horse trading 473 00:24:35,693 --> 00:24:38,333 Speaker 3: between these two squads. And Scott Robertson mentioned as much 474 00:24:38,333 --> 00:24:41,293 Speaker 3: as that there's probably some players that play the Test 475 00:24:41,333 --> 00:24:44,533 Speaker 3: match or go to Japan that won't be with the 476 00:24:44,533 --> 00:24:47,853 Speaker 3: All Blacks when they go to London. They'll be instead 477 00:24:47,893 --> 00:24:50,413 Speaker 3: going to Munster and then playing and playing against Georgia. 478 00:24:50,533 --> 00:24:56,693 Speaker 3: So it won't be sixty five names. It'll probably be 479 00:24:56,733 --> 00:24:58,853 Speaker 3: closer to fifty five to sixty. There'll be a few 480 00:24:58,893 --> 00:25:01,973 Speaker 3: that cross over. Having said that I would select Peter 481 00:25:02,053 --> 00:25:05,893 Speaker 3: Luckeye and the All Black squad as a player that 482 00:25:06,973 --> 00:25:08,573 Speaker 3: the only thing I'll say about Peter Luye is that 483 00:25:08,653 --> 00:25:11,133 Speaker 3: I think in some of his recent NPC games he's 484 00:25:11,173 --> 00:25:13,693 Speaker 3: looking a little tired. He's had a big workload this year. 485 00:25:15,053 --> 00:25:17,773 Speaker 3: And whether he's capable of playing Test rugby this year 486 00:25:17,853 --> 00:25:19,453 Speaker 3: or not, I'm not entirely sure, but I think he 487 00:25:19,493 --> 00:25:21,453 Speaker 3: needs to be around that All Blacks because he seems 488 00:25:21,453 --> 00:25:24,413 Speaker 3: like a real player of the future. So I would 489 00:25:24,453 --> 00:25:27,133 Speaker 3: take Peter Luckeye. I think Sama Penni feen Now might 490 00:25:27,453 --> 00:25:30,293 Speaker 3: be the unlucky player when you look at will the 491 00:25:30,373 --> 00:25:32,613 Speaker 3: tt you know Sanma Penie feen Now has been there 492 00:25:32,653 --> 00:25:34,933 Speaker 3: who could have started up blowing soe Flanka there didn't 493 00:25:35,733 --> 00:25:38,613 Speaker 3: Ethan Blackadder is presumably the next blind Side Flanca, so 494 00:25:38,653 --> 00:25:41,853 Speaker 3: that leaves Santa Pennie feen Now. You know it's the 495 00:25:41,893 --> 00:25:44,093 Speaker 3: third tier blind Side instead. I think you bring him 496 00:25:44,133 --> 00:25:46,293 Speaker 3: out and put Luckeye in and Fena goes with the 497 00:25:46,533 --> 00:25:48,013 Speaker 3: All Blacks fifteen to get some game time. 498 00:25:48,613 --> 00:25:51,973 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's I'd agree with that because 499 00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:54,613 Speaker 2: the other guy that's really slipped out of favor is 500 00:25:54,693 --> 00:25:58,133 Speaker 2: Dalton Papalin, hasn't he he He was the heir apparent 501 00:25:58,413 --> 00:26:01,733 Speaker 2: to Sam Kine for three years. He started this year 502 00:26:01,773 --> 00:26:04,493 Speaker 2: as Scott Robertson's first choice open side. Then he had 503 00:26:04,493 --> 00:26:07,493 Speaker 2: a thumb injury and South Africa Sam Kine started and 504 00:26:07,533 --> 00:26:09,733 Speaker 2: he hasn't been so since, not even on the bench. 505 00:26:10,093 --> 00:26:14,533 Speaker 2: Luke Jacobson has fulfilled that bench role. So it's if 506 00:26:14,533 --> 00:26:16,573 Speaker 2: you're bringing Luck, I know, and I agree I would 507 00:26:16,573 --> 00:26:18,293 Speaker 2: have him there. I think, get him and now he's 508 00:26:18,373 --> 00:26:21,253 Speaker 2: twenty one year old, likes the tit is the future 509 00:26:21,253 --> 00:26:23,733 Speaker 2: of the All Blacks, loose forwards. Get him and now 510 00:26:24,573 --> 00:26:28,893 Speaker 2: he can play against Italy, you know, potentially against Japan 511 00:26:28,973 --> 00:26:30,973 Speaker 2: might be a bit early. He can bounce between the 512 00:26:31,053 --> 00:26:33,293 Speaker 2: All Blacks and the All Blacks fifteen. But get him 513 00:26:33,293 --> 00:26:38,173 Speaker 2: and get him involved and either Summer Pennie or perhaps 514 00:26:38,253 --> 00:26:42,093 Speaker 2: Dalton rebuild that confidence, get some game time. But I 515 00:26:42,133 --> 00:26:45,453 Speaker 2: agree with you, I think Summer Pennie could be you know, 516 00:26:45,533 --> 00:26:46,013 Speaker 2: go with CLAYT. 517 00:26:46,053 --> 00:26:46,493 Speaker 4: McMillan. 518 00:26:46,573 --> 00:26:49,413 Speaker 2: It's his chiefs coach. Good relationship there, that would make sense. 519 00:26:51,173 --> 00:26:52,533 Speaker 3: A couple of other things that have just come up 520 00:26:52,573 --> 00:26:56,453 Speaker 3: from that tour squad we didn't know. We don't know, 521 00:26:56,933 --> 00:26:58,573 Speaker 3: but I wonder whether the All Blacks were name an 522 00:26:58,613 --> 00:27:02,773 Speaker 3: apprentice apprentice players like they have previously in the past, 523 00:27:02,813 --> 00:27:05,333 Speaker 3: and if there is any apprentice players I would look 524 00:27:05,333 --> 00:27:09,373 Speaker 3: at selecting Fabian Horned not until next year's End of 525 00:27:09,453 --> 00:27:11,853 Speaker 3: View tour, but if you are able to bring him 526 00:27:11,853 --> 00:27:14,053 Speaker 3: along for the five test matches that have come get 527 00:27:14,093 --> 00:27:16,333 Speaker 3: him in the All Blacks environment. He looks like a 528 00:27:16,333 --> 00:27:18,613 Speaker 3: player that is certainly capable of playing All Black s 529 00:27:18,653 --> 00:27:21,653 Speaker 3: rugby when he is eligible at the end of twenty 530 00:27:21,693 --> 00:27:24,093 Speaker 3: twenty five. I would take him as an apprentice player 531 00:27:24,133 --> 00:27:25,173 Speaker 3: on this end of View tour. 532 00:27:25,533 --> 00:27:27,413 Speaker 4: Well, can he play for the All Blacks fifteen? 533 00:27:27,413 --> 00:27:28,973 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think it's a capture team, so maybe 534 00:27:29,013 --> 00:27:31,013 Speaker 3: he could play for that. It's not a captured team 535 00:27:31,013 --> 00:27:33,733 Speaker 3: in Timson national eligibility, so in theory maybe you could 536 00:27:33,733 --> 00:27:34,533 Speaker 3: play for them as well. 537 00:27:34,733 --> 00:27:36,933 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that would be make a lot of 538 00:27:36,973 --> 00:27:39,213 Speaker 2: sense and you could potentially bring him in for a 539 00:27:39,253 --> 00:27:43,013 Speaker 2: few days, groom him, get him into that environment, because he, 540 00:27:43,853 --> 00:27:45,973 Speaker 2: like Lackeye, is the future. 541 00:27:46,053 --> 00:27:47,013 Speaker 4: There's no doubt about that. 542 00:27:47,053 --> 00:27:50,253 Speaker 2: He's got the size, he's got the attitude, and he's 543 00:27:50,293 --> 00:27:53,493 Speaker 2: only going to get better. So he's bolted on for sure. 544 00:27:53,973 --> 00:27:56,453 Speaker 3: Any other players in the NPC that have stood up 545 00:27:56,453 --> 00:27:58,013 Speaker 3: that maybe will get in the All Blacks fifteen, but 546 00:27:58,053 --> 00:28:00,013 Speaker 3: not necessarily that All Black squad. 547 00:28:00,133 --> 00:28:03,253 Speaker 2: Well, let's go through the squad here. Because you've got 548 00:28:03,253 --> 00:28:05,613 Speaker 2: guys like Stephen Peter Fetzer. He will make a return. 549 00:28:06,333 --> 00:28:09,333 Speaker 2: I think off the bench with Taranaki and the round 550 00:28:09,373 --> 00:28:13,013 Speaker 2: fish shield challenge against Tasman. That's assuming Tasman defended against Auckland. 551 00:28:13,173 --> 00:28:18,173 Speaker 2: Correct that that game is on Sunday. So the pressure 552 00:28:18,173 --> 00:28:26,133 Speaker 2: points here are Stephen Peterfetter or Harry Plummer Petifetter agreed 553 00:28:26,573 --> 00:28:33,213 Speaker 2: at Locke, Sam Darry or Josh Lord or Dary has 554 00:28:33,253 --> 00:28:34,693 Speaker 2: to be For me, I think Josh Lord has to 555 00:28:34,693 --> 00:28:37,773 Speaker 2: play all Works fifty. We barely played rugby. Josh Lord. 556 00:28:39,133 --> 00:28:41,613 Speaker 3: Darry has been the option that was used when three 557 00:28:41,613 --> 00:28:43,613 Speaker 3: Perot two was injured. So for me, Josh Lola plays 558 00:28:43,613 --> 00:28:44,253 Speaker 3: all Nex fifteen. 559 00:28:44,893 --> 00:28:48,893 Speaker 2: It's interesting, well, I think test rugby ready now in 560 00:28:48,973 --> 00:28:52,493 Speaker 2: terms of size and physicality, I think Josh Lord. But 561 00:28:53,133 --> 00:28:56,693 Speaker 2: whether yeah he's had enough game time this year probably not. 562 00:28:56,853 --> 00:28:59,693 Speaker 2: So I think that's a very fifty to fifty call. 563 00:29:00,333 --> 00:29:04,133 Speaker 2: And those are the main pressure that we talked about. 564 00:29:04,173 --> 00:29:06,533 Speaker 2: The loose forwards, I think whether you take six or 565 00:29:06,573 --> 00:29:09,893 Speaker 2: seven props, and then in the side backs, I really 566 00:29:09,893 --> 00:29:12,133 Speaker 2: want to see ammaning nar Hour back in the squad. 567 00:29:13,213 --> 00:29:15,613 Speaker 2: But I don't know whether they would look to bring 568 00:29:15,693 --> 00:29:16,053 Speaker 2: him back. 569 00:29:16,293 --> 00:29:19,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think he'll probably should be in 570 00:29:19,173 --> 00:29:22,013 Speaker 3: the mix. He's played a very good NPC. I'd like 571 00:29:22,053 --> 00:29:23,893 Speaker 3: to see Josh Jakn going that All Blacks fifteen tour. 572 00:29:23,973 --> 00:29:25,893 Speaker 3: For me, he seems like a play with game time 573 00:29:25,893 --> 00:29:29,093 Speaker 3: that could be a real potential All Black starter at 574 00:29:29,133 --> 00:29:32,293 Speaker 3: ten down the track, and you only learned that by 575 00:29:32,333 --> 00:29:34,893 Speaker 3: playing quality opponents. I would like to see Josh Jacon 576 00:29:34,933 --> 00:29:37,493 Speaker 3: get a go. And that's All Blacks MACS topic number 577 00:29:37,493 --> 00:29:39,813 Speaker 3: two leading on from the tens. Has Boden Barrett done 578 00:29:39,853 --> 00:29:41,653 Speaker 3: enough to retain the All Blacks ten dusy for the 579 00:29:41,653 --> 00:29:43,493 Speaker 3: big games on the end of year tour? From what 580 00:29:43,533 --> 00:29:44,813 Speaker 3: you saw on Saturday night. 581 00:29:45,893 --> 00:29:50,053 Speaker 2: I'm going to say, yes, it wasn't a spectacular performance 582 00:29:50,053 --> 00:29:53,933 Speaker 2: from Bone, but he didn't need to be. And look 583 00:29:54,413 --> 00:29:57,213 Speaker 2: there was his first test at number ten and two 584 00:29:57,253 --> 00:30:00,493 Speaker 2: years and what he did he did largely very well. 585 00:30:00,813 --> 00:30:05,013 Speaker 2: I think he mistouched for one penalty, which Dylan Peach 586 00:30:05,013 --> 00:30:08,133 Speaker 2: did really well to keep that in. He missed won penalty, 587 00:30:08,333 --> 00:30:10,933 Speaker 2: so I think he kicked four from five. He had 588 00:30:10,973 --> 00:30:13,453 Speaker 2: a hand in two of the All Blacks first three 589 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:18,613 Speaker 2: first half tries. It brought a sense of calm I 590 00:30:18,613 --> 00:30:21,213 Speaker 2: think for the All Blacks. And also I thought Damien 591 00:30:21,293 --> 00:30:24,013 Speaker 2: McKenzie was good off the bench allow freed him up 592 00:30:24,013 --> 00:30:27,053 Speaker 2: to play his natural game, to flit around. He set 593 00:30:27,133 --> 00:30:31,333 Speaker 2: up Caleb Clark for his second try. So I thought 594 00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:36,173 Speaker 2: that dynamic worked really well. But it is a very 595 00:30:36,173 --> 00:30:39,573 Speaker 2: delicate situation for Scott. Robertson invested heavily and Damien McKenzie 596 00:30:39,573 --> 00:30:42,093 Speaker 2: through the first eight tests of this year. Then he 597 00:30:42,133 --> 00:30:46,013 Speaker 2: gave Boden one starts. But I don't think it was 598 00:30:46,053 --> 00:30:48,453 Speaker 2: a coincidence that there was a bit more calm at 599 00:30:48,453 --> 00:30:49,373 Speaker 2: the back end of that match. 600 00:30:49,413 --> 00:30:52,493 Speaker 3: It felt a lot more structured the All Blacks attack, 601 00:30:52,733 --> 00:30:56,933 Speaker 3: I thought, And for me, I think he starts against England. 602 00:30:57,133 --> 00:30:59,413 Speaker 3: I think he's certainly capable of driving that team around 603 00:30:59,453 --> 00:31:03,413 Speaker 3: the park. It just felt as though there was a 604 00:31:03,453 --> 00:31:07,333 Speaker 3: lot more a to b and that game plan of 605 00:31:07,373 --> 00:31:10,853 Speaker 3: what Bonon Baritt was dry, whereas Damian McKenzie can be 606 00:31:10,853 --> 00:31:14,133 Speaker 3: a little bit scartery and game management still work on 607 00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:16,013 Speaker 3: for him, and I felt there was more of that 608 00:31:16,053 --> 00:31:16,573 Speaker 3: from Boden. 609 00:31:16,813 --> 00:31:19,453 Speaker 2: The one thing I'd say is I wouldn't I think 610 00:31:19,493 --> 00:31:24,933 Speaker 2: the All Blacks will make subtle tweaks between England's, Ireland 611 00:31:25,053 --> 00:31:27,613 Speaker 2: and France. I think there's fifteen days or something between 612 00:31:27,613 --> 00:31:29,613 Speaker 2: those three tests, so you're not going to be able 613 00:31:29,613 --> 00:31:32,133 Speaker 2: to roll out the same starting fifteen. They are going 614 00:31:32,173 --> 00:31:34,133 Speaker 2: to try and put out their best team obviously to 615 00:31:34,173 --> 00:31:39,373 Speaker 2: win those matches, but players will be very fatigued across 616 00:31:39,413 --> 00:31:42,653 Speaker 2: that stretch, so there will be the old subtle tweaks 617 00:31:42,653 --> 00:31:45,573 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't be surprised to see maybe Bowden start two. 618 00:31:45,613 --> 00:31:50,613 Speaker 3: McKenzie one Media will be as well, and Writers goes 619 00:31:50,653 --> 00:31:54,933 Speaker 3: out top number three. The ANZAC Test, which is now 620 00:31:54,973 --> 00:31:59,493 Speaker 3: gaining one momentum. I see that Mark Robinson has said 621 00:31:59,493 --> 00:32:01,893 Speaker 3: that they're provisionally on board with this idea and some 622 00:32:01,973 --> 00:32:04,093 Speaker 3: quotes with the Sydney Morning Herald is to play an 623 00:32:04,533 --> 00:32:09,773 Speaker 3: Anzac Day Test in twenty twenty six onwards, incorporating a 624 00:32:09,893 --> 00:32:12,213 Speaker 3: super round around it. As part of a super rounds. 625 00:32:12,213 --> 00:32:14,893 Speaker 3: You might have super rugby going on that whole weekend 626 00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:18,613 Speaker 3: and a Test match is part of it. And sounds 627 00:32:18,653 --> 00:32:21,213 Speaker 3: like that we potentially three tests against the Strataga once 628 00:32:21,253 --> 00:32:23,613 Speaker 3: again for a blitter's low. Now this is seemingly to 629 00:32:23,733 --> 00:32:27,333 Speaker 3: plicate them with the rugby's greatest rivalry to it poised 630 00:32:27,333 --> 00:32:29,093 Speaker 3: to be announced from twenty twenty six, between the All 631 00:32:29,093 --> 00:32:32,853 Speaker 3: Blacks and South Africa. Liam Good idea about idea. 632 00:32:33,413 --> 00:32:35,373 Speaker 2: Well, it's a as you say, it's a trade off, 633 00:32:36,013 --> 00:32:38,973 Speaker 2: that's what it is. It's a dangling of the carra 634 00:32:39,093 --> 00:32:45,573 Speaker 2: It's a business negotiation to keep Ossie on side and 635 00:32:46,293 --> 00:32:48,293 Speaker 2: so New Zealand had to throw them a bone. And 636 00:32:48,333 --> 00:32:51,653 Speaker 2: that's what the Sanzac Test is. The issue is you 637 00:32:51,933 --> 00:32:56,533 Speaker 2: are shitting all over Super rugby again because it's not 638 00:32:56,653 --> 00:32:59,333 Speaker 2: just one week. Let's just say it plays out like 639 00:32:59,373 --> 00:33:03,293 Speaker 2: this that the Inzact Test takes place around Anzac Day. 640 00:33:03,573 --> 00:33:06,533 Speaker 2: It's the middle, it's basically the middle of the Super 641 00:33:06,613 --> 00:33:09,413 Speaker 2: rugby and it's not just going to that competition because 642 00:33:09,453 --> 00:33:11,613 Speaker 2: you take all the Wallabies and All Blacks out, it's 643 00:33:11,653 --> 00:33:14,093 Speaker 2: not just one week. It'll be you know, there'll be 644 00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:18,053 Speaker 2: wider ramifications, it might be injuries. You're looking at potential 645 00:33:18,173 --> 00:33:24,533 Speaker 2: two week window. It will affect that competition. And this 646 00:33:24,613 --> 00:33:27,013 Speaker 2: is a time when Super rugby's already a state of flux, 647 00:33:27,453 --> 00:33:30,533 Speaker 2: going back to eleven teams. You've got two draws, two 648 00:33:30,573 --> 00:33:34,773 Speaker 2: buyers this year, starting earlier, it's going longer. You know, 649 00:33:34,813 --> 00:33:38,213 Speaker 2: so there's already frustrations around it. It's not if you 650 00:33:38,253 --> 00:33:41,733 Speaker 2: talk to Super Rugby coaches they don't want the SANSC Test. 651 00:33:42,373 --> 00:33:44,493 Speaker 3: Well, there are ways you can get around it by 652 00:33:45,053 --> 00:33:47,213 Speaker 3: not getting around it necessarily, but you could have a 653 00:33:47,253 --> 00:33:50,653 Speaker 3: whole competition by in the week before it, and so 654 00:33:51,853 --> 00:33:54,173 Speaker 3: there are no games, you're not missing the Super Rugby players. 655 00:33:54,173 --> 00:33:55,013 Speaker 4: But then it does. 656 00:33:54,893 --> 00:33:58,013 Speaker 2: Hold the momentum of Super Rugby though, then you're going, then, 657 00:33:58,373 --> 00:34:00,693 Speaker 2: how does it affect the July window, like there's already 658 00:34:00,733 --> 00:34:03,013 Speaker 2: a very well, yeah, but they've got they got the 659 00:34:03,053 --> 00:34:06,533 Speaker 2: Nation's Championship coming in as well next year. They've got 660 00:34:06,533 --> 00:34:10,213 Speaker 2: two buyers per team and starting in on Valentine's Day 661 00:34:11,013 --> 00:34:13,653 Speaker 2: for Super Rugby. So there are ways I think you 662 00:34:13,733 --> 00:34:16,613 Speaker 2: can change things around with the draw and give teams 663 00:34:16,613 --> 00:34:21,213 Speaker 2: a break. I'm not sure I get why they're doing it. 664 00:34:21,653 --> 00:34:24,173 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of cash involve that, whether 665 00:34:24,213 --> 00:34:27,613 Speaker 2: it's the Western Australian government or whoever is going to 666 00:34:27,653 --> 00:34:30,053 Speaker 2: help out and sort of line the coffers a little bit. 667 00:34:30,093 --> 00:34:33,013 Speaker 2: I'm not sold on the idea necessarily. I don't need 668 00:34:33,173 --> 00:34:35,133 Speaker 2: I don't think we need a third Test against Australia 669 00:34:35,133 --> 00:34:37,173 Speaker 2: they haven't proven that they're worthy of a third test 670 00:34:37,933 --> 00:34:41,253 Speaker 2: against the All Blacks, so for me, the jury is 671 00:34:41,293 --> 00:34:43,253 Speaker 2: still out on this idea. What it will do, though, 672 00:34:43,293 --> 00:34:46,053 Speaker 2: is help Rugby Australia in their broadcast negotiations because they 673 00:34:46,053 --> 00:34:48,133 Speaker 2: can go to Channel nine and stand and whoever else 674 00:34:48,213 --> 00:34:50,533 Speaker 2: is in the mix and go, look, we've got a 675 00:34:50,533 --> 00:34:52,693 Speaker 2: third bled Aslow Cup Test and it's going to be 676 00:34:52,693 --> 00:34:55,213 Speaker 2: around a super Round and that'll probably increase the amount 677 00:34:55,253 --> 00:34:55,853 Speaker 2: of money they can. 678 00:34:55,733 --> 00:34:56,493 Speaker 4: Get, oh massively. 679 00:34:56,493 --> 00:34:59,773 Speaker 2: The All Blacks are Australia's biggest straw card, that's no secret, 680 00:34:59,853 --> 00:35:02,533 Speaker 2: and that's why they want three tests. That's why they 681 00:35:02,573 --> 00:35:05,253 Speaker 2: want a new concept to throw into the mix. I 682 00:35:05,293 --> 00:35:10,453 Speaker 2: think the ends that concept works, it will be you know, 683 00:35:10,493 --> 00:35:12,973 Speaker 2: having Test Rugby earlier in the year. Test Rugby is 684 00:35:13,053 --> 00:35:16,613 Speaker 2: Rugby's pinnacle, right, That's where all the eyeballs come, So 685 00:35:16,733 --> 00:35:19,413 Speaker 2: it will work. It's just a flow on effect that 686 00:35:19,413 --> 00:35:21,493 Speaker 2: that has on Super Rugby at a time when that 687 00:35:21,533 --> 00:35:24,613 Speaker 2: competition is still trying to re establish itself, got a 688 00:35:24,653 --> 00:35:27,533 Speaker 2: new finals format, all these things, and then you're throwing 689 00:35:27,573 --> 00:35:28,613 Speaker 2: something else in the mix. 690 00:35:28,853 --> 00:35:33,333 Speaker 3: Indeed, topic number four is there a crusader's bias in 691 00:35:33,413 --> 00:35:36,653 Speaker 3: the All Blacks. Chaffy Hackey called in last week, is 692 00:35:36,733 --> 00:35:41,013 Speaker 3: injury cover for some of the All Blacks players, liam 693 00:35:41,093 --> 00:35:43,653 Speaker 3: usaid used to this question, so you can floor as 694 00:35:43,693 --> 00:35:44,533 Speaker 3: yours all. 695 00:35:44,573 --> 00:35:46,413 Speaker 2: Right, here we go, the gloves are off, elout. It's 696 00:35:46,413 --> 00:35:48,653 Speaker 2: time to really get down and dirty. Look, I'm just 697 00:35:48,653 --> 00:35:50,973 Speaker 2: going to name a few players for you. We'll start 698 00:35:50,973 --> 00:35:53,733 Speaker 2: off easy. We'll go look Severy Reese on the on 699 00:35:53,773 --> 00:35:58,973 Speaker 2: the right wing. I think he has been favored quite 700 00:35:59,013 --> 00:36:01,853 Speaker 2: quite heavily this year at times when he hasn't played well. 701 00:36:03,053 --> 00:36:09,173 Speaker 2: George Bell, Ricky Ricky Telly outplayed him thoroughly Super Rugby, 702 00:36:09,213 --> 00:36:11,133 Speaker 2: and I know they picking for the future on age, 703 00:36:11,453 --> 00:36:17,213 Speaker 2: but George Bell's throwing was awful this year. George Bauer, 704 00:36:17,733 --> 00:36:21,813 Speaker 2: great guy. Xavier new Meer had a superb Super Rugby season, 705 00:36:22,453 --> 00:36:27,053 Speaker 2: got injured at untimely manor, and then we had Scheffi Hackey. 706 00:36:27,333 --> 00:36:31,453 Speaker 2: And I think Shaeff Hacke is a talent, but he 707 00:36:31,493 --> 00:36:35,933 Speaker 2: has yet to prove himself and there are an infinite 708 00:36:36,013 --> 00:36:38,533 Speaker 2: number of wing fullbacks playing better than him right now. 709 00:36:39,093 --> 00:36:46,693 Speaker 2: Sean Stevenson, Jacob rut Of, ki Vuki Nipkins and a 710 00:36:46,773 --> 00:36:50,253 Speaker 2: number of others. Whether he's going to play or not. 711 00:36:50,293 --> 00:36:52,373 Speaker 2: I think it's relevant. I think it's the optics. I 712 00:36:52,413 --> 00:36:54,453 Speaker 2: think it's the message of sending to players about the 713 00:36:54,493 --> 00:36:57,893 Speaker 2: next guy in line. So I think the Schefficky one 714 00:36:57,933 --> 00:36:59,853 Speaker 2: was the straw that broke the camel's back. And I 715 00:36:59,893 --> 00:37:03,693 Speaker 2: think there is an unconscious crusader's bias here. 716 00:37:03,773 --> 00:37:06,053 Speaker 3: Well, the message clearly to those players is get better, 717 00:37:06,733 --> 00:37:08,253 Speaker 3: get to hear Schaffee Harckey's playing. 718 00:37:09,773 --> 00:37:11,213 Speaker 2: I know you just turned this to wye me up here, 719 00:37:11,253 --> 00:37:14,893 Speaker 2: and you do. You're on the cusp of me storming 720 00:37:14,933 --> 00:37:17,533 Speaker 2: out of the studio. Turn a Matthew Ridge. You cannot 721 00:37:17,573 --> 00:37:20,253 Speaker 2: sit there with a straight face and tell me that 722 00:37:20,333 --> 00:37:23,573 Speaker 2: you think that Shaefi Hacky is deserving of his place. 723 00:37:23,853 --> 00:37:25,533 Speaker 3: But he wasn't called into the backs. He's called in 724 00:37:25,533 --> 00:37:26,093 Speaker 3: his injury cut. 725 00:37:26,173 --> 00:37:27,533 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter answer the question. 726 00:37:27,693 --> 00:37:30,173 Speaker 2: Answer the question, is he deserving as being the next 727 00:37:30,173 --> 00:37:31,933 Speaker 2: man in line for selection? 728 00:37:33,293 --> 00:37:35,053 Speaker 3: Well, we haven't got a full explanation as to why 729 00:37:35,053 --> 00:37:38,893 Speaker 3: he was called in and whether it was decided to 730 00:37:38,933 --> 00:37:41,253 Speaker 3: keep in morning that I worked with his NBC team 731 00:37:41,293 --> 00:37:44,653 Speaker 3: because they were playing on the Saturday with that didn't 732 00:37:44,653 --> 00:37:46,973 Speaker 3: get runway to Vicky Nepkins in because they had a 733 00:37:47,013 --> 00:37:50,413 Speaker 3: storm week last week and therefore had two games. Sewan 734 00:37:50,493 --> 00:37:55,333 Speaker 3: Stevenson was involved in midweek game as well storm week. 735 00:37:55,413 --> 00:37:57,853 Speaker 2: So whether it's Aunt Sullivan like there's so many other 736 00:37:57,933 --> 00:38:01,853 Speaker 2: fullbacks and he's on a rugby wings, yeah. 737 00:38:01,693 --> 00:38:03,973 Speaker 3: Well shaefe. He can play midfield as well and there 738 00:38:03,973 --> 00:38:05,093 Speaker 3: are a few players like that. 739 00:38:05,133 --> 00:38:06,693 Speaker 2: He had a great game for Canbury on the weekend 740 00:38:06,733 --> 00:38:09,413 Speaker 2: as well when he went back his opposite squad. 741 00:38:10,293 --> 00:38:11,813 Speaker 3: If he hadn't be pulled out of that squad, they 742 00:38:11,853 --> 00:38:13,933 Speaker 3: might have won, might have been able to turn around. 743 00:38:13,973 --> 00:38:16,213 Speaker 3: That's a forty six point eficits. 744 00:38:16,213 --> 00:38:18,573 Speaker 4: It's good we're in agreement there as a crusader's bias. 745 00:38:18,693 --> 00:38:20,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it's a good thing. You think 746 00:38:20,653 --> 00:38:25,773 Speaker 3: it's a bad thing. Right Before we go, some interesting 747 00:38:25,853 --> 00:38:30,253 Speaker 3: late breaking news from the world of Johnny Sexton and 748 00:38:30,653 --> 00:38:36,773 Speaker 3: his book release. He's revealed what prompted the exchange with 749 00:38:37,013 --> 00:38:42,533 Speaker 3: Rico Youwanni after the World Cup quarterfinal last year in Paris. 750 00:38:42,973 --> 00:38:46,573 Speaker 3: So basically short stories. As Wayne Barnes blows full time, 751 00:38:47,213 --> 00:38:51,333 Speaker 3: Rico Yuanni says, don't miss your flight tomorrow, enjoy your retirement. 752 00:38:51,453 --> 00:38:57,293 Speaker 3: You beep fill in the gap there, and then after 753 00:38:57,333 --> 00:39:00,173 Speaker 3: that Sexton walks after Yuanni and calls them a fake 754 00:39:00,253 --> 00:39:05,493 Speaker 3: humble you know what. So Johnny Sexton's called into line 755 00:39:05,533 --> 00:39:09,293 Speaker 3: the no dickheads policy in the All Black and various things, 756 00:39:09,293 --> 00:39:13,293 Speaker 3: but revealed you know what exactly went on there. Also 757 00:39:13,373 --> 00:39:15,973 Speaker 3: questioned the penalty that seeing Whitelocke managed to get as 758 00:39:15,973 --> 00:39:20,253 Speaker 3: well over Ronan Calliha as well. So there are a 759 00:39:20,253 --> 00:39:22,453 Speaker 3: few things keeping Johnny Sexton up at night, and he's 760 00:39:22,453 --> 00:39:23,493 Speaker 3: put them into his book. 761 00:39:23,653 --> 00:39:24,413 Speaker 4: Yeah, tough to see. 762 00:39:24,413 --> 00:39:26,813 Speaker 2: Look, it's great to see an autobiography actually say something 763 00:39:28,413 --> 00:39:33,693 Speaker 2: normally dollars as anything. But look, get over it, Johnny 764 00:39:35,293 --> 00:39:39,133 Speaker 2: absolute winge there. Look, maybe you can say Rico shouldn't 765 00:39:39,133 --> 00:39:43,173 Speaker 2: have been so harsh, but I'm in the school of 766 00:39:43,173 --> 00:39:44,813 Speaker 2: thought that if you're going to give it, you've got 767 00:39:44,853 --> 00:39:47,093 Speaker 2: to be able to take it. Peter o'many and Johnny 768 00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:49,893 Speaker 2: Sexton were absolutely giving it to you all Blacks when 769 00:39:49,893 --> 00:39:52,653 Speaker 2: they beat them in Wellington, and they had every right 770 00:39:52,693 --> 00:39:57,133 Speaker 2: to that they won. They can celebrate as they choose to, 771 00:39:58,133 --> 00:40:01,173 Speaker 2: you know. He also mentions the fact that Artie Severe, 772 00:40:01,533 --> 00:40:04,773 Speaker 2: the Barrett brothers and Joe Schmidt were very humble in victory. 773 00:40:05,053 --> 00:40:10,573 Speaker 2: Everyone's difference, but Johnny has got no leg to stand on. 774 00:40:10,693 --> 00:40:13,813 Speaker 2: He's berated players, he's berated referees when he's been playing 775 00:40:13,813 --> 00:40:17,333 Speaker 2: and not and he's still winjin about the decision, like 776 00:40:17,653 --> 00:40:18,453 Speaker 2: get over it, mate. 777 00:40:18,573 --> 00:40:20,933 Speaker 3: It shows the mental fragility that probably showed why they 778 00:40:20,933 --> 00:40:22,773 Speaker 3: didn't win the World Cup quarter final in all. 779 00:40:22,693 --> 00:40:25,213 Speaker 4: Honesty, and that final play is not the only reason 780 00:40:25,253 --> 00:40:25,973 Speaker 4: they lost that game. 781 00:40:26,413 --> 00:40:28,173 Speaker 3: And if you look back at the tape, Artie Savia 782 00:40:28,253 --> 00:40:30,573 Speaker 3: has a moment a few phases prior where there's a 783 00:40:30,653 --> 00:40:32,333 Speaker 3: very legitimate argument that all Blacks could have got the 784 00:40:32,373 --> 00:40:34,373 Speaker 3: penalty there and Wayne Barnes could have blown it up there. 785 00:40:34,453 --> 00:40:39,293 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think there's a build up of quarter 786 00:40:39,413 --> 00:40:44,293 Speaker 2: final failures steaming within Johnny. And yeah, I saw a 787 00:40:44,333 --> 00:40:48,493 Speaker 2: headline this week about I think I'm pretty sure it 788 00:40:48,533 --> 00:40:50,053 Speaker 2: was someone I don't wanted to fame him here. He 789 00:40:50,173 --> 00:40:52,413 Speaker 2: was talking about how when he kept it goal he 790 00:40:52,493 --> 00:40:55,133 Speaker 2: pictured Ronan O'Gara or something. 791 00:40:55,373 --> 00:40:56,613 Speaker 4: He's got a lot of grudges, I. 792 00:40:56,573 --> 00:40:58,773 Speaker 3: Would say as well that postgame Andy Farrell was very 793 00:40:58,813 --> 00:41:01,653 Speaker 3: complimentary of Bill Blacks from my memories of that media conference, 794 00:41:01,693 --> 00:41:05,373 Speaker 3: and very very complimentary with the way they played, so 795 00:41:05,613 --> 00:41:06,133 Speaker 3: and luck. 796 00:41:06,173 --> 00:41:09,053 Speaker 2: Was Ian Foster and Sam Kaine spoke very highly of 797 00:41:09,413 --> 00:41:12,453 Speaker 2: Johnny sixth and so it was one exchange. I think 798 00:41:12,453 --> 00:41:14,693 Speaker 2: Brodie Rettallick had a bit of a jibe as well. 799 00:41:15,053 --> 00:41:18,413 Speaker 2: But let's not forget Peter Omoni called Sam Cain a 800 00:41:18,493 --> 00:41:21,973 Speaker 2: shit version of Ritchie mccare and I'm of the view 801 00:41:21,973 --> 00:41:23,733 Speaker 2: that you know, what happens on the field stays on 802 00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:24,093 Speaker 2: the field. 803 00:41:24,173 --> 00:41:27,093 Speaker 3: My favorite line from this is the BBC article BBC 804 00:41:27,213 --> 00:41:30,213 Speaker 3: Sport has approached New Zealand Rugby and Rico u ARTI's 805 00:41:30,253 --> 00:41:33,053 Speaker 3: representatives for COVID. What do they expect them to COVID? Yes, 806 00:41:33,133 --> 00:41:33,613 Speaker 3: I said that. 807 00:41:33,853 --> 00:41:36,533 Speaker 4: I'm sure Rico is waiting by the phone, yeah to 808 00:41:36,573 --> 00:41:37,053 Speaker 4: pick up. 809 00:41:36,973 --> 00:41:40,053 Speaker 3: Happy to talk to the BBC. Right, that'll do us 810 00:41:40,093 --> 00:41:42,973 Speaker 3: for another week on Rugby torect. We may be back 811 00:41:43,013 --> 00:41:45,093 Speaker 3: next week, maybe not. Bill Back's got the squad out 812 00:41:45,093 --> 00:41:48,493 Speaker 3: on October seventh, but we're into a wrist and rotation 813 00:41:48,573 --> 00:41:50,773 Speaker 3: policy over the next couple of weeks, so we'll see. 814 00:41:50,853 --> 00:41:52,413 Speaker 3: We'll be back at some point in the next couple 815 00:41:52,413 --> 00:41:52,813 Speaker 3: of weeks. 816 00:41:53,093 --> 00:41:55,013 Speaker 4: Put your feet up and enjoy Bloody Maria. 817 00:41:56,013 --> 00:41:58,853 Speaker 3: That's enough. 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