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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather du to see Eland Drive with One New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today.

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Speaker 2: Tory Farno, the Wellington City Mayor, is holding a press

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Speaker 2: conference right now about the news that the Government will

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Speaker 2: be intervening in her absolute shambles of a council. Will

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Speaker 2: get you across that. Karen Sure the Children's Minister, on

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Speaker 2: what should happen with the youth who climbed up on

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Speaker 2: the roof? And Sky TV boss Sophie Maloney on the

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Speaker 2: new deal announced today. Heather do to see elis into

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Speaker 2: something else altogether. Let's talk about the government toughening up

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Speaker 2: the three strikes law today. Now, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be the person who told you so, but I did

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Speaker 2: tell you so, didn't I There was no way that

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Speaker 2: the government was going to be able to get away

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Speaker 2: with watering down the original three strikes law. I could

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Speaker 2: planned to do so today what they've done is they've

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Speaker 2: kind of this is all performance. They've beefed it up today,

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Speaker 2: but it really is not beef up at all. It's

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Speaker 2: going to make very very little difference, and I would

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Speaker 2: not be forced. I would not be surprised if the

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Speaker 2: government is forced to come back to the table and

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Speaker 2: beef it up again. Now, what they've done is technical.

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Speaker 2: They've changed the threshold for when the first strike kicks in. This,

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Speaker 2: by the way, is a strike that doesn't actually do anything.

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Speaker 2: It's just a warning strike. Previously, they were going to

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Speaker 2: kick it in at two years. They thought anything below

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Speaker 2: that would be just so unfair. And now they're going

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Speaker 2: to kick it in at one year jail. It's not

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Speaker 2: really going to make much of a difference. Also, second

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Speaker 2: thing that they've done is they've made the law retrospective,

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Speaker 2: and what that means is it's going to count the

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Speaker 2: relevant strikes from the last time we had the law.

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Speaker 2: So if the Baddy's got to strike last time, they

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Speaker 2: still had that strike against their name. This time, only fair.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought, here's what you need to know.

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Speaker 2: This law is so soft compared to last time, and

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Speaker 2: still remains so soft compared to last time. Last time

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Speaker 2: we had about twenty five people end up on a

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Speaker 2: third strike. That's not a lot of people. By the way.

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Speaker 2: I mean that might surprise you to know it was

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Speaker 2: only twenty five. Twenty five of them ended up on

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Speaker 2: a third strike. Sensible sentence US has done the research today.

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Speaker 2: I found out of those twenty five under the EXIST

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Speaker 2: under the new law as proposed, only seven would end up.

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Speaker 2: Only seven of the twenty five would end up on

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Speaker 2: a third strike. Today, after the beefing up, eight would

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Speaker 2: end up on a third strike. So it's been beefed

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Speaker 2: up so that it goes from seven to eight on

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Speaker 2: a third strike. I mean, that's hardly beefing up right now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why Nicole McKee, who's relevant minister here,

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Speaker 2: She knows that the public wants her to go hard.

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Speaker 2: Her email in box has been flooded with people telling

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Speaker 2: her to go hard as predicted, which is why she's

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Speaker 2: ended up beefing it up. I don't think the government

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Speaker 2: at the moment and keep on going soft on this.

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Speaker 2: That tough on crime approach is one of the strongest

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Speaker 2: and it's actually worth preserving that point of difference because

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Speaker 2: it's what we want. The public want bad people locked

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Speaker 2: up behind bars, punished so they're not in the community

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Speaker 2: hurting us. There is nothing wrong with us wanting that.

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Speaker 2: It's not it's not bad to punish bad people, right

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Speaker 2: And if you don't want to punish bad people, just

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Speaker 2: have a look at the last lot last labor government

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Speaker 2: that's an exercise worth repeating. So again, as I say,

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Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if Nicole McKee has to

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Speaker 2: come back to the table and beef this up again.

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Speaker 1: Heather.

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Speaker 2: Two ninety two is the text number standardext fees applied.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the coal is with us after half

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Speaker 2: past five, now Wellington's longest running drama, or maybe second

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Speaker 2: Wellington at the moment, has ended. Darlene has been kicked

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Speaker 2: out of Parliament by the Speaker Jerry Browny this morning

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Speaker 2: after the Green's triggered the Wacker jumping law late last week.

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Speaker 2: Chloe Sworewick as the Greens cold. Hey, Chloe Cholder, when

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Speaker 2: is she out? Is she out already? She gone?

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Speaker 3: As I understand that the gazettes noticed that was issued

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Speaker 3: she were never elected. So my understanding is that Parliamentary

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Speaker 3: Services is in direct contact with Duln and will be

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Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't look at that a question time today.

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Speaker 2: Did she turn up?

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Speaker 3: No, she did not, as I understand it, and again

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Speaker 3: per that gazette this morning, it means that she is

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Speaker 2: How do you feel, Chloe? I mean you must be relieved,

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Speaker 2: because I tell you what, I watched your press conference

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Speaker 3: I think I need to kind of counterbalance that by

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Speaker 3: pointing to the fact that this is a really sad situation.

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Speaker 3: You know. Look, I will be completely honest about the

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Speaker 3: fact that I'm grateful to have a position now where

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Speaker 3: we can draw a line under this. But it's been

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Speaker 3: likes of legal battles in other ways, which I don't

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Speaker 3: think has been a nice situation for anybody that's been involved.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately for us to get to that position last

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Speaker 3: to that position unanimously, for that consensus to put that

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Speaker 3: request to the Speaker, I think speaks really proudly to me,

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Speaker 3: that goes to the core of who we are as

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Speaker 2: Okay, so when does Benjamin start?

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Speaker 3: So our mustera racudo Mininde's March has been directly in

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Speaker 3: the usual processes whenever any new member of Parliament comes

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Speaker 2: Have you Are you absolutely confident that Benjamin is not

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Speaker 2: going to embarrass you? And the reason I'm not picking

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Speaker 2: on Benjamin, I'm just picking generally on your candidacy selection.

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Speaker 2: Your candidate selection has let you down. Are you sure

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Speaker 2: that everybody that you're bringing in now is being properly vetted?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I hear you on that point, and that of course

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Speaker 3: no surprise that we are working with the party to

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Speaker 3: tighten up those processes. But look, you know, I'm really

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Speaker 3: excited to be welcoming Benjamin into the team. They've got

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Speaker 2: Hey, what do you make of the government deciding to

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Speaker 2: intervene in Wellington City Council.

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Speaker 3: I think that the broader point remains, which is that

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Speaker 3: governments are both stripes, both national and labor led. Governments

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Speaker 3: have initiated inquiries and sought advice externally, independently and expert

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Speaker 3: and they've consistently found, most recently in the Future of

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Speaker 3: that local governments across this country do not have the

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Speaker 2: That's not the problem here though, Chloe. That's not the

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Speaker 2: problem with this council. It is part of the.

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Speaker 3: Problem if you think about the legacy of issues that

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Speaker 3: have got to that place where that kind of deficit

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Speaker 3: something that Simon Brown said on the campaign trail during

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Speaker 3: called local or SETI deals I think appealing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but come on, Chloe, look look at all the

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Speaker 4: councils around the country who are managing to make the

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Speaker 2: Significant parts of their long term plan. This is a

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Speaker 2: badly on the Green Party.

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Speaker 3: Sure, and I'm sure that those points will we made

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Speaker 3: Sure there are observers coming in, but that doesn't address

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Speaker 3: the basic fundamental premise that local governments across the country

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Speaker 2: I get that, I get what you're saying, but I'm

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Speaker 2: she's a complete stuff up.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a Wellingtonian. I have voted in the Auckland

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Speaker 3: local body elections, but Wellingtonians voted for this council, and

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Speaker 3: this council has made that democratic decision. And there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of different political machinations that are obviously at play there.

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Speaker 3: And again we'd say that this is simply a function

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Speaker 2: Speaking of candidates. You know Tory wants to come and

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Speaker 2: become an MP with you guys, Are you gonna letter.

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Speaker 3: That we're getting far ahead of ourselves on that one?

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that's actually a very good answer. We are,

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Speaker 2: aren't we? Chloe? Thank you very much. Chloe Swarbrick, co

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Speaker 2: holding a press conference and we'll get you across that

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Speaker 2: very shortly. Sixteen past fourtyar too.

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Speaker 1: The day's headlines, it's Heather duper c Allen drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand one giant leap for business, youth talks

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Speaker 1: a B sport with tab get your bed on our

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Speaker 2: It's long time, long past time for meyor Tory Fano

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Speaker 2: to walk the plant. Tory Fano says she's not even

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Speaker 2: close to resigning. Sorry about that's not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Darcy water Grave, sports talk host with US at nineteen

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Speaker 2: past four, Hey does hello, Heather, So, who's in the

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Speaker 2: all black squad that you were interested in? This is

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Speaker 2: for the Japan game?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think that Love and Lark Eye the two

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Speaker 6: Lucky comes with so much around him after his performances

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Speaker 6: this year because we've lost all of our sports to injury.

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Speaker 6: It's like h Next came off the rank, get up

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Speaker 6: there and and we're looking forward to seeing what he

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Speaker 2: So we've finally got the ten sports that are going

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Speaker 2: Why are they including crap like this?

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Speaker 6: I don't know. And it's all based on judging, which

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Speaker 8: It doesn't ruby seven at the Olympic I know.

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Speaker 2: Yep, you know. Yeah, well it's euthanizing itself at this rate.

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Speaker 6: I suppose it is.

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Speaker 2: While we tune in for our artists. People are going

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Speaker 6: It's been cut from nineteen down to ten of these.

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Speaker 2: All right, dars, listen, thank you. I've got to get

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Speaker 1: Three, digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Heather duper

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Speaker 1: c Allen Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected

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Speaker 2: That'd be Heather. A diving pool is completely different from

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Speaker 2: a swimming pool. Okay, thank you for Claire clarifying Mars.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't listen to me. I don't watch this nonsense

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Speaker 9: The minister has fairly pointed out instances where counselors have

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Speaker 9: and we must do better.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, Ory Faro is just unba believable.

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Speaker 1: She is.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what she's doing there? She's like, that's

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Speaker 2: all the other counselors walking out of the meetings and

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Speaker 2: no mate. Read the press release. Read the press release.

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Speaker 2: Simeon's put out a press release basically outlining why he's intervening,

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Speaker 2: making it very clear that finances are a huge part

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Speaker 2: And he's worried that they're forcing current rate pays to

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Speaker 2: already set up a fund where all councils around the

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Speaker 2: The more I find out about what's going on with

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Speaker 2: Tim Brown, the counselor, was like, no, government's not going

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Speaker 1: Next the day's newsweakers talked to Heather first, Heather Duper

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Speaker 1: c Allen drive with one new Zealand. Let's get connected

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Speaker 1: and you talk z be.

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Speaker 10: Here.

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Speaker 2: The Torrifino is the gas of all gas lighters. She's

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Speaker 2: There is a It worries me that there are quite

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Speaker 2: and Karmela, all three of whom are really good at

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Speaker 2: standing there and just doing the ha it's fine thing,

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Speaker 2: at that performance. Anyway, I don't know why women are

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Speaker 2: because I'm only having a crack at my own gender.

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Speaker 2: And that's okay. It's free shots at yourself. You're allowed.

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Speaker 2: Hey about the youth Justice facility, everyone's off the roof.

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Speaker 2: Apparently the last one of them came down at eleven today.

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Speaker 2: one of the teens unfortunately injured themselves in the process

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Speaker 2: behaving like clowns. Karen sure the Children's Minister is going

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Speaker 2: to be with us. Temp Us five explained to us

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Speaker 2: what is going to happen to these young people, how

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Speaker 1: The world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: The King and Queen have attended a community barbecue and

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Speaker 2: Saturday in Sydney this afternoon, on the final day of

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Speaker 2: their visit. To Ozzie, spokesperson for the Australian Monarchist League,

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Speaker 2: said he was sure the King would enjoy the barbie.

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Speaker 11: I heard that there was going to be some Vietnamese

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Speaker 2: Sausages for him, so.

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Speaker 11: I'm not sure if that's up easilly, but I hope

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Speaker 6: I mean that sounds like it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: No sign of Lydia thorpe there yet. You know, but

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Speaker 2: she might turn up. Ozzie corresponded, MURRIOLSI sizzled a few

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Speaker 2: on that. Now, seven new sexual abuse lawsuits have been

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Speaker 2: Four men and three women have been anonymously who have

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Speaker 12: Those celebrities aren't named in this lawsuit. Of course, we

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Speaker 2: And finally, a couple of red pandas in the zoo

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: Muriold's OLSI correspondents with us. Now, Hey, mus good afternoon, Barbie.

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Speaker 13: Going apparently going very very well.

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Speaker 14: My invitation was lost.

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Speaker 2: Have we lost Mars? Muzz said the word lost and

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Speaker 2: then we lost Mars, which I think is kind of yeah.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get him back on the phone, which

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Speaker 2: is ironic, isn't it? Here? The Brendan must be really good.

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Speaker 2: This is the new Green MP. If he's behind Darlene

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Speaker 2: Celia's back in the house. Celia. Celia, by the way,

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Speaker 2: being one of the long list of Wellington mayors who's

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Speaker 2: done a crappy job. Celia's back and so when you

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Speaker 2: start bringing Celia back in from a former life and

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Speaker 2: putting her in Parliament, everybody under that is a bit so.

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Speaker 2: While Chloe's talking, Brendan up. We'll see anyway, Bury Sop

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Speaker 2: is going to be us shortly on that. Murray holds

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Speaker 2: us back with us muzz.

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Speaker 14: one uses when the reigning King, the Monarch of Australia,

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Speaker 14: you know, acknowledges a flotilla of the Australian Navy. All

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Speaker 14: five ships in the Australian Navy will make their way

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Speaker 14: past the King. But look, it's been a super well

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Speaker 14: received visit with the exception of what you thought you

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Speaker 14: mentioned her before. And it depends who you talk to

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Speaker 14: whether or not she's condemned or she's praised. I mean

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Speaker 14: a lot of people are saying well done, Lidea, you know,

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Speaker 14: for raising the issue of indigenous plight, you know in Australia,

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Speaker 14: because let's face it, King Charles, long before he went

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Speaker 14: on the throne, he had this passion for all sorts

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Speaker 14: of matters that perhaps weren't normal royal matters, you know,

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Speaker 14: so indigenous rights is one of them. Many others are saying,

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Speaker 14: what a grand standard. Get rid of her. Look, she

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Speaker 14: made a point, went around the world. She's pretty happy.

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Speaker 14: I heard her this morning being interviewed, and the royal

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Speaker 14: visit continues.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of this teenager who accidentally killed

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Speaker 2: the police commissioner's son, skip and jail terrible?

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Speaker 14: Well, look, this young there's a bit of background to this.

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Speaker 14: There's a thing over here called schoolies, end of high

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Speaker 14: school kids traditionally go out that almost all of them

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Speaker 14: are of legal drinking age. And apparently this night down

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Speaker 14: south of Adelaide, everybody was on the source, including the

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Speaker 14: police commissioner's son. He was there with a whole bunch

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Speaker 14: of his friends, and this young fellow who was driving

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Speaker 14: hadn't had a drink, but for reasons that still a

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Speaker 14: little bit murky, he panicked. He was surrounded by all

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Speaker 14: these kids who were allegedly drunk. He panics, he flows

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Speaker 14: the car, He sends this young man flying and drives away. Now,

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Speaker 14: he was already sentenced to and pleaded guilty of beg

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Speaker 14: your pardon the waggravated driving without care and leaving the

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Speaker 14: seat of a crash. So he's been banned for driving

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Speaker 14: for ten years, but the judge today ordered a sentence

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Speaker 14: one year, one month and seven days, non parole of

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Speaker 14: seven months be suspended on the condition he'd be of

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Speaker 14: good behavior for two years. I mean, everyone was shattered.

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Speaker 14: The young fellow at the wheel, he didn't want to

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Speaker 14: kill this kid. He just panicked. He saw all these

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Speaker 14: kids around his car and thought they're going to beat

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Speaker 14: the tripe out of me, and so he's just rowed away.

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Speaker 14: And tragically, this young man suffered a reversible brain damage

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Speaker 14: and they turned him off in hospital. It's just a

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Speaker 14: tragic situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus half appearance with that kind of stuff, I'd imagine. Listen, muz,

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Speaker 2: what's the story with Mickey the cockatoo. Has he been saved?

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Speaker 14: Well, we're still waiting for a an update this afternoon.

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Speaker 14: But I did speak to the Environment Minister this morning

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Speaker 14: and thanks to Ministerial and intervention, Mickey the cockatoo is

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Speaker 14: going to be spared. I mean you're talking about Polly Want.

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Speaker 14: Mickey's rocked up at the MacArthur Square shopping center in

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Speaker 14: Southwest Sydney a month ago. Well, he's been on the

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Speaker 14: cockatoo buffet. Apparently he's put on so much weight he

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Speaker 14: looks like a bloody eagle. And everybody was a bit

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Speaker 14: over him because he's pooling everywhere on Polly Winder, Cracker,

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Speaker 14: give me that loaf of bread, Coldian Nevers AlSi there, Wilworths, Poles,

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Speaker 14: Baker's Delight, you name it. They're all lining up to

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Speaker 14: feed him. So somebody the word got out, someone was

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Speaker 14: going to take an air gun.

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Speaker 16: And put him out of dis pissery.

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Speaker 14: Well the minister heard of this, Minister at intervention Polly

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Speaker 14: Want a cracker when he's going to be caught and

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Speaker 14: released into the wild, and I think everybody was quite happy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well at least that ended. Well, Mars, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much, appreciate it. Murray Old's Australia correspondent. This is

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Speaker 2: the This is the notice that let us know that

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Speaker 2: Darlene had been booted from Parliament. Speaker put it out

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Speaker 2: Notice of the Gazette. I Jared Anthony Brownley, Speaker of

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Speaker 2: the House of Representatives, give notice that the seat of

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Speaker 2: Darling Tanner has become vacant by reason of her ceasing

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Speaker 2: to be a parliamentary member of the Green Party of

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Speaker 2: Altzi Or in New Zealand. Now, if you listening on Friday,

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Speaker 2: you will know Barry gave us a bump steer on

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Speaker 2: this because he said, na, no, no, doesn't sound like

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Speaker 2: Darling's going to get kicked out. Everybody thinks Darling's getting

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Speaker 2: kicked out on Tuesday. But I've heard Darling's not getting

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Speaker 2: kicked out on Tuesday. Well, Darling did get kicked out

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday, So what happened there? He's with us next

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Speaker 2: sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with Centric Credit. Check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certaday Barry so, Senior political correspondence with us right now, Hey, Barry.

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Speaker 8: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so, the Observer apported to Wellington City Council.

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Speaker 8: Fair enough, Yes, well, if you listen to Tory fannow

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Speaker 8: that she's got a very cordial relationship with.

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Speaker 2: Nothing to see him.

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Speaker 8: She's he said, and it was quite a strong statement

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Speaker 8: he put out. He said that he had been concerned

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Speaker 8: about the council's ability to manage their long term plan

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Speaker 8: and the department has advisors. They were also estimated that

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Speaker 8: the council's financing approach to water services would see residents

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Speaker 8: city residents paying up to seven hundred million dollars more

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Speaker 8: in rates over the next ten years. Now you know,

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Speaker 8: if that isn't a shot across the bow of the

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Speaker 8: Wellington City Council and what a bad job they're doing.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what is The council observer's role essentially

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Speaker 8: is to be there on behalf of the minister. He

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Speaker 8: or she will sit there and take note of what

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Speaker 8: the council's doing, report on a regular basis, I would

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Speaker 8: imagine back to the Minister and will yes, indeed, and

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Speaker 8: we'll decide whether any further action should be taken. Well

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Speaker 8: fin out Tory found hour, as you said, have has

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Speaker 8: just given a news conference. She's taken it all in

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Speaker 8: her stride, saying she's got that great relationship. The Mayor's

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Speaker 8: relaxed about the council's uncertainty over their long term plan.

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Speaker 9: Councils means their long term plans. You know often and

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Speaker 9: this is kind of no different to that. However, I

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Speaker 9: do understand there has been a lot more media attention,

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Speaker 9: a lot more political theater around this issue, and that

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Speaker 9: the minister has concerns. That's okay, We're going to work

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Speaker 9: collaboratively with him. I certainly hope it doesn't set a

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Speaker 9: precedent for other councils.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: See, she's worried about everybody else, not about the Wellington Council.

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Speaker 8: I'll tell you what, if you're a Wellington rate payer

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Speaker 8: listening into this, guess who's paying the bill for the.

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Speaker 2: Observer, the Wellington Wellington rate payers. She's well on top

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Speaker 2: of all the other bills, on top of your Now,

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Speaker 2: what's up with the bum steer you gave us on

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Speaker 2: Friday about Darlene.

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Speaker 8: Well I'm you know, you can do a bum steer

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Speaker 8: every now and then. I'll do a Tory fine now

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Speaker 8: on this.

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Speaker 2: Nothing to see, nothing to see here.

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Speaker 8: I'm entitled to get it wrong every now and then. Now,

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Speaker 8: what happened heither was that? Certainly I was given the.

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Speaker 2: I just want you to know before you carry on,

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Speaker 2: the standards at Newstalk ZBA somewhat higher than Wellington City Council.

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Speaker 2: So that's not going to fly. Okay, we have an

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Speaker 2: observer with you in a minute.

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Speaker 8: I was given for his strong advice from those who

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Speaker 8: should be in the know in the bee Hive that

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Speaker 8: they would wait for the outcome of the Court of

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Speaker 8: Appeal case because and I've talked to a few leading

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Speaker 8: lawyers today about that. You imagine if the Court of

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Speaker 8: Appeal now decides that the Greens got it wrong by

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Speaker 8: sacking Darley Tana, where is that lever She's on the

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Speaker 8: outer and now in Parliament. But you know it basically

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Speaker 8: legally could present a big problem.

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Speaker 2: Is it a flex by Jerry Brownlee? Then, because because

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Speaker 2: there's this massive debate that's going on right now about

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Speaker 2: which which actually has the greater power. Is it Parliament

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Speaker 2: or is it the court?

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Speaker 8: Well, basically it's Parliament giving the finger to the courts.

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Speaker 2: Well, isn't by Jerry?

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Speaker 8: It could be vice versas. So we'll see that over

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Speaker 8: the next few weeks, I guess. So this is how

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Speaker 8: Darleying Tana would have heard her fate being decided by

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Speaker 8: Parliament Speaker Jerry Browne this afternoon.

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Speaker 15: This is a serious matter and the first time that

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Speaker 15: the provisions inserted into the Electoral Act by whatever amendment

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Speaker 15: in twenty eighteen have been used to declare a seat vacant.

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Speaker 15: Unsatisfied that the notion, sorry, the motion delivered to me

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Speaker 15: by the parliamentary leaders of the Green Party of Alta

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Speaker 15: Ro New Zealand complies with section fifty five c of

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Speaker 15: the Electroact nineteen ninety three. Accordingly, I've given notice that

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Speaker 15: the seat has become vacant.

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Speaker 8: See the only other time it's been used, and it

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Speaker 8: was a different Act then because it has been amended,

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Speaker 8: as Jerry Browne said, was Dona Terry Huata. She was

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Speaker 8: kicked out of the Act part using this piece of legislation.

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Speaker 8: But it's been further refined and that's what we saw

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Speaker 8: being used today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now, did Andrew Bailey go to a brewery before

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Speaker 2: he went to the vineyard and pulled the l shape?

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Speaker 8: Well, you know they're not certainly not letting the Bailey

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Speaker 8: issue rest was very much to the forum. The debating

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Speaker 8: chambers to day, Chris Hipkins lambasted the Prime Minister for

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Speaker 8: his handling of the matter, saying essentially that Bailey should

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Speaker 8: be demoted. It was his labour's young MP Arena Williams, though,

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Speaker 8: who got to the point with Bailey after he again

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Speaker 8: gave a groveling apology.

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Speaker 18: I was wrong, but I intended the comments in a

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Speaker 18: light hearted manner. Unfortunately its cause hurt an offence and

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Speaker 18: for that reason I've apologize unreservedly to the individual.

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Speaker 17: So he had any alcohol at the beer garden or

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Speaker 17: the winery he visited that day? No is he saying

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Speaker 17: that he visited a beer garden and a winery. But

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Speaker 17: the person fudging the truth about his drinking is the worker.

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Speaker 18: That unrelated You asked me whether I had alcohol and

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Speaker 18: I said no, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So that's a Tory fine hour as well. No problems,

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Speaker 8: nothing to see. But you have to take Andrew Bailey

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Speaker 8: out his word. I mean, you know he may have

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Speaker 8: been at those places. If he says he didn't have

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Speaker 8: a drink, did well?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't lie about stuff like this, right,

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Speaker 2: Because there's one photo of you with a beer glass

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Speaker 2: in the hand. Now you're in big trouble, right, and

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Speaker 2: then we start getting into.

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Speaker 8: You will be really big trouble. You're absolutely right if

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Speaker 8: he spottled at a beer garden with the glass in

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Speaker 8: his hand or out of winery on days. Sure he's

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Speaker 8: wise enough, wiser than some other politicians not to have

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Speaker 8: gone down that track without being familiar with what could happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Barry, thanks very much, really appreciate it, very so

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Speaker 2: for seeing your political correspondence coming up seven away from

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Speaker 2: five putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 19: Cime ministers with us Chrystoper luxon, how do you explain

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Speaker 19: a minister of the crown going up to a person

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Speaker 19: that he's literally never met in going why don't you

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Speaker 19: get some wine.

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Speaker 13: And f off you lose? How does that evoult any?

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Speaker 20: I mean, he got it very very wrong.

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Speaker 21: I mean he can sort of dispute stories on both

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Speaker 21: sides as to what exactly was said or wasn't said,

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Speaker 21: But the bottom line is from his perspective, he owns

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Speaker 21: it completely. And that's why you sort in front it

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Speaker 21: very strongly off.

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Speaker 15: Can you fatherm at that here as well?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 21: I mean again no I can't. I mean that's why

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Speaker 21: I said to him, it's pretty to appointing. They aren't

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Speaker 21: the standards or the language or the behavior that I

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Speaker 21: would expect to my minister as you hold the position

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Speaker 21: twenty four to seven. The reality is he caused her

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Speaker 21: to an insult and he acknowledges.

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Speaker 19: That back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 19: with the Rain driver of the Lahm News talk z b.

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Speaker 2: Uh Tory Faro a little bit more from her press conference.

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Speaker 2: She was asked whether she agreed with the accusation of

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Speaker 2: financial mismanagement at Wellington City Council. She said this, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 9: I was surprised by those comments because it's not an

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Speaker 9: issue that has been raised recently.

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Speaker 22: Nothing to see here.

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Speaker 2: The reason it hasn't been raised recently is because they

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Speaker 2: did that weird thing where they got together for the meeting.

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Speaker 2: I remember she called the meeting with Simeon, went to

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Speaker 2: the beehive, and then never discussed whether the government was

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Speaker 2: going to intervene. Just didn't talk about it. So that's

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Speaker 2: probably why it wasn't raised. Now, listen to the American election.

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Speaker 2: The economist I told you last week, I said to yet,

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Speaker 2: Trump's going to win this, right because the polls have

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Speaker 2: shifted in his favor and the key swing states he's

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Speaker 2: going to win this. The economist, and I'm just watching

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Speaker 2: all of these these various publications start to reflect us,

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Speaker 2: and the economists of the l that I spotted today

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Speaker 2: has just updated its statistical model of the presidential election

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Speaker 2: now calling it for Donald Trump at this stage. Now

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Speaker 2: things change, so it's not static, but at this stage

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Speaker 2: they're calling it for Donald Trump fifty four percent chance

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Speaker 2: that he wins the White House just a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks time, Harris is on a forty five percent chance.

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Speaker 2: That's a massive gap. That's a nine percent gap right

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Speaker 2: the reason what they're seeing happen here, and by the way,

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Speaker 2: he's got up six percent just in the past week,

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Speaker 2: so there's a massive shift has happened for him. What

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Speaker 2: happened was that in July, shortly after she was picked

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Speaker 2: for the Democrats, a whole bunch of people who had

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Speaker 2: indicated they were going to vote for third party candidates

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Speaker 2: started to back her and really firmed up her support base.

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Speaker 2: The economist reckons that what you're seeing right now is

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Speaker 2: a similar kind of consolidation for him. So a bunch

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Speaker 2: of soft Republicans probably thought about voting for a third

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Speaker 2: party candidate. They can see how tight the race is now,

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Speaker 2: so now they're switching to him, So it's firmed up

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Speaker 2: for him. She still has an enormous chance, like a

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Speaker 2: three quarter chance of winning the popular vote. But it's

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Speaker 2: not about the popular vote in the American system, right,

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Speaker 2: It is about winning the states in order to get

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Speaker 2: enough of the electoral College vote. And he wins on

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Speaker 2: that because he's going to take the swing stakes. Watch

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Speaker 2: this happen. Brace yourself for it anyway. Listen Tim Brown,

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Speaker 2: who owes me a beer? Wellington councilor with us next newstrip.

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Speaker 1: Sib pressing the newspakers to get the real story. It's

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Speaker 1: hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 1: connected news talk said, be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon. As predicted, the government has decided to appoint

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Speaker 2: a Crown observer after all. To Wellington Council. The Minister's

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Speaker 2: explained what he's worried about. He's worried about counselors walking

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Speaker 2: out of meetings, councilors confused about decisions, counselors criticizing each

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Speaker 2: other publicly, and the council overcharging rate payers currently as

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Speaker 2: much as seven hundred million dollars over the next ten

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Speaker 2: years for fixing the pipes. Now, Tim Brown is a

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Speaker 2: Wellington City councilor. High Tim, how are you I'm very well,

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Speaker 2: thank you. How are you? What did I tell you?

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Speaker 7: Tim?

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Speaker 2: What did I tell you?

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Speaker 16: I know you're either you're way better connected or you're

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Speaker 16: far more or said than I am. Not see this coming, though, Tim,

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Speaker 16: because I think I misinterpreted. I mean, I think some

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Speaker 16: people are on the council table did, but I think

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Speaker 16: that I personally thought it wasn't necessary. But I realized

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Speaker 16: that basically what the minister has done is appoint somebody

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Speaker 16: to inform him. So, you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 16: rhetoric about the observers going to help us you arrive

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Speaker 16: at the right decision, blah blah blah, But at the

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Speaker 16: end of the day, he's put somebody in the room

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Speaker 16: so that they can go to him and say, hey,

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Speaker 16: saman it's not working, to fire these guys and move on.

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Speaker 16: So so I hadn't I hadn't quite thought he needed

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Speaker 16: to have somebody because I thought that zed B would

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Speaker 16: have done a good enough job to keep him reform.

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Speaker 2: So thanks thanks for crediting us. No, but I mean,

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Speaker 2: can you see what this is, Tim, Because this is

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Speaker 2: the first step towards commissioners right that that that person

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Speaker 2: will be appointed as basically a knark to the government.

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Speaker 2: So unless you guys start making sound financial decisions, it

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Speaker 2: gets upgraded to full taking over the whole show.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, that's exactly right. That is precisely on the money, right,

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Speaker 16: so we won't be having the bet on that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, explain something to me because I am also

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Speaker 2: now curious about something that Simeon Brown has pointed out here.

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Speaker 2: He's quite concerned about how you guys are funding your

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Speaker 2: pipe fixing. So he says only six percent of the

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Speaker 2: pipe fixing, that sixty six million dollars is coming through

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Speaker 2: debt and the rest over a billion dollars is coming

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Speaker 2: through rates. Why have you structured it like that?

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Speaker 16: The first thing I'd say, just sort of macro level,

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Speaker 16: is that within council you can sure can probably imagine

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Speaker 16: counselors always wanted their fun things. They always wanted their

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Speaker 16: fun because of course they don't have pits up today's

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Speaker 16: rate players. So there's a massive propensity to want a

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Speaker 16: debt fund if you possibly can. So there's there's definitely

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Speaker 16: no lack of will not me And I'm saying because

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Speaker 16: I'm an extreme fiscal conservative and I don't believe in

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Speaker 16: council having lots of debt, and I see the whole

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Speaker 16: long term plan exercise being to cut debt, not to

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Speaker 16: increase debt. So it's kind of where that the Minister

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Speaker 16: is now said you should be.

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Speaker 2: But tim why this is important is that in the

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Speaker 2: wake of the wake of three Waters has set up

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Speaker 2: a funding program that gives you cheap debt for exactly this.

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Speaker 16: No, but it's a it's not cheap because if you borrow,

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Speaker 16: you know, a million dollars, you do have to repay

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Speaker 16: the million dollars and you have to pay interest on

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Speaker 16: top of a million dollars. So it's you know, it's

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Speaker 16: it's is just cost deferred, it's not a cost avoided.

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Speaker 16: And the reality is that it's very complicated. And as

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Speaker 16: I say that round the council table, there is always

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Speaker 16: enthusiasms debt fund things if possible. So the advice we've

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Speaker 16: received from our offices is that is that we have

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Speaker 16: to do it this particular way. And there are lots

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Speaker 16: of other extenuating reasons why this particular number, which is

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Speaker 16: plucked out of a much more comprehensive piece of financial information,

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Speaker 16: is actually fundamentally incorrect.

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Speaker 2: I'm a bit worried about it.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, but I's going to say, well, into City Council

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Speaker 16: is not out there foolishly whacking current rate payers where

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Speaker 16: it could actually be doing it by way of debt

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Speaker 16: and making some future bunch of rate payers who will

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Speaker 16: have a different bunch of councilors paid. We are definitely

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Speaker 16: not if you like deferring the use of debt. We're

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Speaker 16: using as much den as we possibly can, in fact

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Speaker 16: too much.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to scrap the Golden Male project?

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Speaker 16: Well, you can be certain that I personally would. I mean,

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Speaker 16: but again, this is where the council laws have to

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Speaker 16: actually slug it out, because there are definitely at least

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Speaker 16: half a dozen of us who would happily can the

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Speaker 16: whole thing tomorrow. But half it does. It doesn't give

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Speaker 16: you a majority. So this is where Toy's trading is

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Speaker 16: going to have to come off, because, as you know,

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Speaker 16: the Golden Mine I has got two components. It's got

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Speaker 16: the Courtney Place component, which is highly developed and all

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Speaker 16: ready to go almost and then you have to get

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Speaker 16: a key end and I we're about to get rid

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Speaker 16: of both parts of it. But some counselors would happily go, okay,

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Speaker 16: we've got to do something at Courtny places to sort

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Speaker 16: that out and get rid of the rest. But that's

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Speaker 16: that's the trading which Tory is going to have to organize.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, so next year for the beer once I've

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Speaker 2: had this baby, or come have a beer with you.

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Speaker 16: No, it's champagne. I'm definitely buying here a champagne. You've

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Speaker 16: got two babies. You deserve champagne.

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Speaker 2: You're upgrading it, Tim, Do you know what I can?

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Speaker 5: I can?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm worried about your your financial nouse just

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Speaker 2: upgrading me for free. But I'm going to take you

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Speaker 2: up on that.

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Speaker 16: Well, of course that depends on whether I'm a job

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Speaker 16: or not.

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Speaker 2: Very good point a Jim. Thank you very much mate,

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Speaker 2: look after yourself. Tim Brown, Wellington City councilor he.

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Speaker 1: The dou for see Ellen.

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Speaker 2: All the naughty kids on the roof of the Youth

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Speaker 2: Justice Facility have come down. The last of the thirteen

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Speaker 2: who climbed onto the roof of Witty Quarterway Monarchi Facility

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Speaker 2: came down before eleven this morning. Minister for Children, Karen

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Speaker 2: Sure's with us now, Karen Hallo cured it.

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Speaker 23: How's it going?

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Speaker 2: Very good? Thank you? How these guys are going to

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Speaker 2: get punished.

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Speaker 23: Oh, there's a lot going on at the moment, and

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Speaker 23: police have kind of taken over in that area. They

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Speaker 23: will be facing consequences through the police laying charges where

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Speaker 23: they will be criminally reliable for the damage that has

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Speaker 23: been done to the property.

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Speaker 2: All thirteen of them, the.

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Speaker 23: Ones that we have seen damage the property, will be

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Speaker 23: charged for that and there will be more to come.

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Speaker 23: But that's really up to the police to make those decisions. Now.

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Speaker 2: Is it true that they were demanding Big Matt Combo's

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Speaker 2: cigarettes and a getaway car.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I heard those stories being reported, but I've been

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Speaker 23: assured by OT that no demands were made by these

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Speaker 23: young people to staff or to anyone with a note,

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Speaker 23: and even if mums were being made, they would not

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Speaker 23: have been met. As is not a negotiation and there's

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Speaker 23: no excuse for this behavior and we won't be negotiating

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Speaker 23: in that way.

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Speaker 2: Karen, Are you're worried about how these kids keep on

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Speaker 2: getting up there because this is not the first time

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Speaker 2: they've made it onto the roof of this particular facility.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, and you do have a good point there, But

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Speaker 23: if we look at all the work that's been put

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Speaker 23: into these youth Justice facilities. In this last year alone,

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Speaker 23: and particularly in this particular youth Justice facility, we have

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Speaker 23: put a little improvement into lifting the safety and security

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Speaker 23: of that residence. They've obviously found another way and the

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Speaker 23: work has begun now to assist how that has happened.

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Speaker 23: But we've had one incident this year compared to fifteen

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Speaker 23: the year before, so that shows the work that has

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Speaker 23: been put in with staff training and lifting the safety

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Speaker 23: and security that this is not happening as much as

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Speaker 23: it was previously, and we're also not going to tolerate it.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Karen, thank you very much, appreciate it. Karen Sure,

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Speaker 2: Minister for Children. Listen, we've finally got a statement. It's

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Speaker 2: taken eleven weeks. Kee, we rail have explained what went

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00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: Thirty forty fifty sixty years into the future, which I

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Speaker 2: think is the point that Sammon Brown's trying to make.

884
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: Thanks for making that point as well. Listen nineteen past five. Now,

885
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: the partner of Jan Fei Bao has told the High

886
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 2: Court in christ Church about the moment he realized something

887
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: was wrong. The Crown is claiming that the christ Church

888
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: real estate was murdered by Tingjin Choo. He denies this.

889
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB reporter Emily Anzel's been and caught again today

890
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: for us. Hey, Emily, Now, what did the partner, Paul

891
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: Gooch say about the last time he saw her?

892
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 24: Well?

893
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 22: He said today that the last time he saw his

894
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 22: partner was in the morning that she disappeared. He said

895
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 22: he got up before seven and followed the usual routine,

896
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 22: but Bao was asleep when he left, so he gave

897
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 22: her a kiss on the forehead before hitting out the door.

898
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 22: He says limited chmmunication between them during the day was

899
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 22: usual as their jobs were busy. He did send her

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00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 22: a text after work saying, hi, honey, just heading to

901
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 22: the gym. Now catch up when I'm back home later,

902
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 22: But unfortunately he did return to a dark house.

903
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: When did he realize something must be wrong.

904
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 22: Well, he said that while he was picking up takeaways

905
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 22: after the gym, he realized he'd had a few missed

906
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 22: calls from the after school care company where Young Fay's

907
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 22: daughter was at, and so once home, a neighbor informed

908
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 22: him that the school care after school care stuff had

909
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 22: been had stopped by to try and see if anyone

910
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 22: was home and to let them know that no one

911
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 22: had collected her. It was the plan for young Fabau

912
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 22: to pick her up, he said. When he got home,

913
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Speaker 22: he checked the dishwasher to see if bows lunch dishes

914
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 22: were there, as usually she would come home and eat,

915
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 22: but they weren't, and so after that calling her frequently,

916
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 22: she wasn't packing up. And then when he picked his

917
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 22: daughter up from the police station and friends weren't able

918
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 22: to get in touch. That's when he said he grew

919
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 22: really concerned and eventually reported her missing at about ten thirty.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like he got a little bit testy when the

921
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: accused lawyer was questioning him.

922
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 22: Yeah, so throughout most of the cross examination from both

923
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 22: the Crown and defense, he was very calm considering the circumstances,

924
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 22: but there was a slight rise intention so the defense

925
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 22: asked a couple questions about arrangements, current arrangements with her

926
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Speaker 22: daughter schooling and where she's living, and at one point

927
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Speaker 22: when the defense lawyer, Colin Eson referred to Bao as

928
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Speaker 22: missing when speaking about her daughter, Girt replied, her mother

929
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Speaker 22: is not missing.

930
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Speaker 24: Her mother is.

931
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Speaker 22: Dead, and there was some audible frustration there. Earlier on,

932
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 22: he had also corrected Ethan's pronunciation of her daughter's nickname

933
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Speaker 22: and then appeared to call him a prack under his

934
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Speaker 22: breath once a cross examination finished. But as I said,

935
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Speaker 22: throughout most of the questioning, he was very cool, calm

936
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Speaker 22: and collected.

937
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Speaker 2: It appeared all right, hey, thank you very much, Emily appreciated.

938
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Speaker 2: Emily ansel newstalks. He'd be report of five twenty one

939
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Speaker 2: New Trust.

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00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: To get the answers you need, Heather Dupless, Alan Drive

941
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: were one New Zealand, let's get connected a news talk as.

942
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: They'd be, Heather, why didn't they just get Andrew Bailey

943
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: to talk to the Youth Justice kids protesting on the roof,

944
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: tell them they wear losers and f off back inside

945
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: and make the owl sign. It would have probably worked

946
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: quite quite well, actually, because nobody wants to be a

947
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: loser setting up on the roof by yourself do year

948
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: five twenty four now listen not every day. I like

949
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: what I see from a council, and of course today

950
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: we've got the Government finally intervening in one council. But

951
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: as a result of basically all the stick we give counsels,

952
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: I also want to give a shout out to a

953
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: council that I actually like something that they're doing. This

954
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: is Ashburton District Council. And the reason I like what

955
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 2: they're doing is they have resisted some really crazy ideas today.

956
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: So apparently the locals in Ashburton, or not all the locals.

957
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to tie everybody with the same brush,

958
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: but some locals in Ashburton have asked the council to

959
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: build and pay for activities for local kids and teenagers

960
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 2: because apparently the kids and teenagers are bored and don't

961
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: have enough things to do. And some of the suggestions

962
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: from the parentals are maybe the council can build a

963
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: bowling alley or a gaming arcade or even a chipmunks Now,

964
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: first of all, as the district councilor Phil Hooper quite

965
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: rightly says, it is not the place of a council

966
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: to pay for that kind of thing. I do get

967
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 2: their councils already have set a precedent right that they

968
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: do pay for some recreational things like playgrounds and parks

969
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But surely a gaming arcade, and

970
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: for God's sake, a chipmunks is going a little bit far,

971
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: isn't it. But also, and look, this is going to

972
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: be slightly random. I accept that, but as a new parent,

973
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time thinking about this. I'm

974
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 2: surprised Ashburton locals are asking for this kind of nonsense.

975
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: I would have thought that Ashburton is one of the

976
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: few places left in the world, but certainly one of

977
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: the places in this country where you can actually raise

978
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: kids the way that we were raised to free range

979
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: and do fun things. Go outdoors, burn your energy, doing

980
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: something constructive, play without intense parental supervision. I mean, is

981
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: playing video games inside a gaming arcade actually what we

982
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: want for our kids? Do we want them hunched over

983
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: screens for hours on end, putting little coins in and

984
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: toggling little thing and make the little cars go fast

985
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: while indoors getting absolutely no sunlight at all. I mean,

986
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: the alternative obviously, is they grab a scooter or they

987
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: grab themselves a skateboard, they head down to the local

988
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: skate park, test the limits of their confidence and their

989
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: skills while sucking in the vitamin D from the sun

990
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: and also getting all the health benefits of being outside

991
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: and the clean air. Or I don't know, grabbing a

992
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 2: bicycle going for a ride on one of the cycle

993
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: trails around town. I look at Ashburton today, I counted

994
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: about a dozen parks. They've got a skate park in

995
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: the middle of the town. There got some awesome cycle

996
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: trails going on. What do you mean the kids are

997
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: board tell them to go outside? I mean, I think

998
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 2: us parents have to have a good long think about

999
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: what we are doing to our kids if we think

1000
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: that giving them the option of a gaming arcade indoors

1001
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: is a better thing to do and telling them to

1002
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: grab a bicycle and go outside, get lost in the

1003
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: woods for a bit, go and skate or some thing

1004
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: like that. Anyway, Look, as I say, slightly random, but

1005
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: I do think we need to think about these things.

1006
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: And good on the council for of all people pushing

1007
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: back on a nutty idea like that.

1008
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: Ether Dupicy Ellens.

1009
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: Okay, here's what happened to the ferry. It's taken care

1010
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: we rail eleven weeks to finally figure this out. The

1011
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 2: atterre in August ran into the berth in Wellington because

1012
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: someone couldn't drive it properly. The vessel was positioned too

1013
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: close to the long part of the wharf as it

1014
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: approached the berth, which basically means that somebody drove it

1015
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: at the wrong angle therefore could not turn it properly.

1016
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: Also had a bit of wind coming at at thirty

1017
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 2: to fifty k's had a fifty percent reduction in power

1018
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: on the starboard side, which sounds like things were falling apart.

1019
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: I don't really know, but there you go. It took

1020
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: them eleven weeks to figure out that the person who

1021
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: was piloting the thing couldn't drive it properly. Headline's next.

1022
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1023
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather Dupice Allen drive

1024
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected, and you talk said,

1025
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: take them.

1026
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 21: Go deep.

1027
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: Whether you're one thousand percent right, get the brats outdoors, Heather, lady,

1028
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: you're in La La Land trying pushing your kids outdoors.

1029
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: They would have you in the stops before you knew it, Barry,

1030
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: I plan on running the house differently to how you

1031
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: run the house. Obviously, don't the children need to know

1032
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: that you're in charge. You say get outdoors, they say

1033
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: how fast, mama? Well, and if they don't, then you

1034
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: just withdraw all privileges, et cetera, et cetera like that,

1035
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: So you basically run it like a like an army camp.

1036
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: Don't you anyway? Anyway, Chicken with me in fourteen years

1037
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: when we've hit like fulling full noise into the teenagers,

1038
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 2: and we'll see if I'm still feeling as confident Howle's

1039
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: going to be with us. Shortly listen. Big deal for

1040
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: SkyTV announced today they've signed Warner Brothers again for the content.

1041
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: This is really important because they rely very heavily on

1042
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: on Warner brother movies and TV and stuff. It's like

1043
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: all that like the Penguin, you know, which is on

1044
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: at the moment on Neon and Sky TV and back

1045
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: catalogs of friends and all that kind of stuff. It

1046
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: really adds to a lot of the content on Sky TV.

1047
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: There was a risk that Sky that Warner Brothers which

1048
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: by the way owns TV three, was going to launch

1049
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: its own platform called Max. This is what they're doing

1050
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: in Australia to compete with Neon and Netflix and Amazon

1051
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: and Apple TV and so on. Not going to happen.

1052
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: They are with Sky. Sky's shares have gone up a

1053
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: little bit today on the back of it. So we'll

1054
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: talk to the boss, Sophie Maloney after six. It's twenty

1055
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: four away from six, Heather duper Zl. Now, as predicted,

1056
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: the governments had to beef up the proposed new three

1057
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: strikes law. It's going to drop the qualifying threshold for

1058
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: the first strike from two years jail down to one

1059
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: year jail, and it will carry over the strikes from

1060
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: the last time that the law was around. Associate Minister

1061
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: of Justice Nicole McKay's with us now, he Nicole.

1062
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 20: Good afternoon, Heather, Nicole.

1063
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: Did you see the Sensible Sentencing Trusts analysis of how

1064
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: many more people you're going to catch with us change today?

1065
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 20: I have not seen their analysis today. But what we

1066
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 20: have done, Heather, is we've listened to people who have

1067
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 20: submitted to us, have called you up and said that

1068
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 20: they didn't like the regime as it was, and that

1069
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 20: needed to be tougher, and that's exactly what we've done

1070
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 20: is listen to them and we've implemented these changes. Well, well,

1071
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 20: we've made proposals to implement these changes.

1072
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: So what the sensible sentence in trust has done is

1073
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 2: they had a look at the last time the law

1074
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: was around. There were twenty five people who got to

1075
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: the third strike law. According to the way that you're

1076
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: proposing this law, only seven of them would get to

1077
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: third strike. But because the changes you made today, more

1078
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: people will get to third strike. Eight. Yes, that's eight.

1079
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: How does this sit easy with you that your legislation

1080
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: as proposed would only catch a third of the bad

1081
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: guys called last time around.

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Speaker 20: Well, at the end of the day, what we are

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Speaker 20: going to have on modeling of figures that we've got

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Speaker 20: now is that instead of having eight hundred people getting

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Speaker 20: a first strike, we're looking at twelve one hundred on

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Speaker 20: a first strike. We're going to have nine hundred and

1087
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Speaker 20: fifteen that will be eligible for a second strike. This

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Speaker 20: is predictedumbers as opposed to two hundred and sixty six,

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Speaker 20: and we'll be looking at ninety nine people receiving a

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Speaker 20: third strike as opposed to eleven.

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Speaker 2: What period of time are you using here?

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Speaker 20: This is over the first ten years, and how to

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Speaker 20: be over that? It has to be over that time

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Speaker 20: period because for the second strike it's no parole, so

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Speaker 20: they have to serve the full time.

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Speaker 2: How long the numbers that I was using of twenty

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Speaker 2: five on third strike last time around the law was

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Speaker 2: the last time the law was round? How long was

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Speaker 2: that law around for that? We got to twenty five.

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Speaker 20: So that law was implemented over a period of about

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Speaker 20: eleven years. We did not see the full measure of

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Speaker 20: it because as I mentioned, people had to serve the

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Speaker 20: at time. Yes, what we're predicting now over a ten

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Speaker 20: year period is serious consequence and accountability for those serious

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Speaker 20: violent offenders. And I think also we need to alleviate

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Speaker 20: some of the concerns people have out there about petty

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00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 20: crime being picked up on this. It's not about petty

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Speaker 20: theft or anything like that. This is about serious violence.

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Speaker 2: I know, because you've picked forty crimes that people can

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Speaker 2: get picked up for. But what I want to know

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00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: is why are you why are you watering this down

1112
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: to the extent that of the twenty five people who

1113
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: reached third strike last time nineteen or what does it

1114
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: seventeen of them walk away. They don't even get to

1115
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: third strike. Why are you doing that?

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00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 20: They won't necessarily walk away because one of the things

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00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 20: that we are reactivating is an introduction of those past

1118
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 20: defenses being brought forward into the new regime if they

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Speaker 20: meet the qualifying criteria. And those twenty five people that

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Speaker 20: we're serving a third strike will meet the qualifying criteria.

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00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 20: I don't know that you're going to be with them this.

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00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: Are you failing to understand my point deliberately or is

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00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 2: it just an accident.

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Speaker 20: No, it's because we have found that under the previous

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Speaker 20: regime we had some minor, lower level offenders being caught

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Speaker 20: up in the system. And this has always been about

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00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 20: going after those serious files.

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Speaker 2: And let me give you. I'll give you an example

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Speaker 2: of a minor lower level offender. Okay, there's a chap

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00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 2: called Rana Peritomata who ended up being a third striker

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Speaker 2: because he murdered his girlfriend in twenty nineteen. Under your laws,

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Speaker 2: he would not be a third striker. He'd be a

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Speaker 2: second striker because his first strike offense, which is an

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Speaker 2: aggravated robbery. He was only sentenced to eight months home,

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Speaker 2: d Nicole, that's not a light offense. That's massive. He

1136
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Speaker 2: got eight months and your law wouldn't even give him

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Speaker 2: a first strike. Are you sure you want to do that?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I am sure that we're going about this the

1139
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 20: right way because what we've also introduced under this regime

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Speaker 20: is not only for the judges to be able to

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Speaker 20: look at manifestly unus and pull out the lower levels,

1142
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Speaker 20: but also putting some not discretion, but the ability for

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Speaker 20: the judges to fit within the regime that we are

1144
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Speaker 20: currently trying to apply. So don't give the minimum sentence.

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Speaker 2: Why should our friend that ana peritomatter who committed an

1146
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: aggravated robbery not get a first strike for that.

1147
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Speaker 20: What we need to ensure is that those really low

1148
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 20: level ones are not captured, but the more serious ones

1149
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 20: are robber low level. This guy has committed an offense

1150
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 20: that fits the new criteria, then he should absolutely be

1151
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 20: stripped or struck for it.

1152
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Speaker 2: But because laws strike.

1153
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 20: Because he's already third served a third strike, he will

1154
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 20: still be within that system. This is about an escalation, right,

1155
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 20: This is about making sure that people are accountable for

1156
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 20: the actions that they have committed. But we still can't

1157
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 20: make sure that the lower level ones are caught up

1158
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Speaker 20: on it. So we've got to look at how we

1159
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 20: direct or not direct, but how we outline what the judges,

1160
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Speaker 20: what we expect of the judges in sentencing, while still

1161
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Speaker 20: giving them the ability to make sure the ones that

1162
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Speaker 20: just smack somebody's bottom that are not getting twenty years

1163
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Speaker 20: in prison. So there's a fine line to be had

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Speaker 20: there and I think that we have made it stricter, stronger.

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Speaker 20: We're showing accountability to those to those offenders, and we're

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Speaker 20: going to be looking after the victims. But at the

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Speaker 20: end of the day, we want to make sure that

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Speaker 20: those serious violence sexual offenders are locked up and those bringing.

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Speaker 2: Up I'm just think you're not doing that. That's my

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Speaker 2: point and Nicole will have to leave it there. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for your time. I appreciate it as always. Nicole McKey,

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Speaker 2: Associate Minister of Justice.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand's Tutherby's International Realty, Local and

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00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 2: All right with us on the Huddle, Ryan Bridge Early

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Speaker 2: edition host in Tim Wilson with the Maximum Institute. How

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Speaker 2: are you two?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we're going to.

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Speaker 2: Come back to the three strikes, but before we get

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Speaker 2: to that. Do you think Tim, it's a good call

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Speaker 2: on putting the Crown Observer into Wellington City Council. Yeah,

1182
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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 13: I mean there's obviously massive dysfunction there.

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Speaker 10: They talked a bit about financial issues and financing. That

1185
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 10: all seems a bit strange to me. But it's like

1186
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Speaker 10: there's a toxic environment and so it's like they're bringing

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Speaker 10: in Auntie Norma. You know. I just want to the

1188
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 10: auntie that all the kids are scared of. I just

1189
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Speaker 10: want to know who's going to get smacked, who's going

1190
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Speaker 10: to get sacked, and who's going to get stroked. And

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Speaker 10: I think we'll find figure that out. The seven hundred

1192
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 10: million dollar question is when we know who that person is.

1193
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 10: Like we knew when Lester Levy showed up, we knew

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Speaker 10: what was going to happen. I think it'll be the

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Speaker 10: same when they name the name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel ryan. The more I see of this

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Speaker 2: and the more I understand what a Crown Observer is

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00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: there to do, which is literally just a knack to

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Speaker 2: the minister, the more I feel like this is very

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Speaker 2: much the first step towards commissioners.

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Speaker 11: Don't you I don't think don't I'm not on board

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Speaker 11: with that. The previous government did one in Kuiper Out

1203
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Speaker 11: with an observer, and it was it was not so

1204
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 11: much to tell on the council to squirrel back to

1205
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 11: the government. It was more to provide kind of advice

1206
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 11: to the councilors and to the council offices about how

1207
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 11: you actually run a council. Yeah, so I don't know

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Speaker 11: about that. I think the minister's statement though, is weird.

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00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 11: And Tim you mentioned it, you know, like in fighting

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00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 11: that happens everywhere. That's not an excuse to put an

1211
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 11: observer and the changing the long term plan that happens.

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Speaker 11: But this whole water thing and the seven hundred million dollars, Like,

1213
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 11: what's up with that?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean that?

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Speaker 10: It's interesting?

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00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 8: Though?

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00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's fascinating because you think, wy wouldn't

1218
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 10: you take advantage of local wall have done well rather

1219
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 10: than so great payers for it?

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Speaker 13: I don't understand.

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00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so Ryan decision. What the argument is is

1222
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 2: that you have this availability post the three Waters thing

1223
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: to take out very cheap debt right through the local

1224
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: government funding arrangement. You can have this very very cheap

1225
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: debt that you can spend on your pipes. They have

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Speaker 2: chosen not to do that, but instead to lump the

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Speaker 2: current rate pays with about a billion dollars worth of

1228
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: costs in the end that debt. Is that doing it

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00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: that way is more expensive apparently and costs the rate

1230
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: pays about seven hundred million over ten years extra. So

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Speaker 2: the decision that the Council's taken is one that's more

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00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: expensive for rate pays and the minister saying that's not

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00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: the right call.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I know I heard that, But I listened to

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Speaker 11: your counselor on your show after five and he was saying, well,

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Speaker 11: debt's more expensive.

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Speaker 16: I mean, you're going to pay interest on it, don't you.

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00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you're not taking the debt. If you're not,

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Speaker 2: is this an opportunity cost thing?

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00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 21: Though?

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Speaker 2: If you're not taking the debt for that, you're taking

1242
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 2: the debt for something else. You're still taking on They're

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00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: still taking on debt.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I just think it's it's almost working backwards though, this

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00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 11: statement from the minister. You know, the reason that they

1247
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 11: got that he got involved in the first place was

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Speaker 11: to do with the long term plan, and we didn't

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Speaker 11: hear anything about the water or financing of water infrastructure

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00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 11: and then all of a sudden there's an observer coming

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Speaker 11: in and this sort of reason has popped up.

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Speaker 2: So are you are you saying that he is trying

1253
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: to justify a decision he's already taken a.

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Speaker 11: Bit of reverse engineering.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you think?

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Speaker 13: That's what I think? Oh No, I'm not.

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00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 10: Look, I think it's see if you guys can play

1258
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 10: nicely together and we'll see how we go. And you know,

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Speaker 10: actually it's interesting total when they were exiting from the Commissioners,

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Speaker 10: they did apply to install an observer as a transitional mode.

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Speaker 10: So I do see this observer as possibly a transitional

1262
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Speaker 10: figure to the next phase if no one plays nicely.

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Speaker 10: And this is it's also a judgment on Tory farmer

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Speaker 10: mayors have to create coalitions and and there's just been chaos.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we'll pack a break. We'll come back in just

1266
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: to take fourteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty elevate the

1268
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Speaker 1: marketing of your home.

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Speaker 2: All right, back with the huddle, We've got Tim Wilson,

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge, Tim, I reckon, I'm going to miss Darlian.

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Speaker 2: What about you?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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Speaker 10: You know, what we're I think I think we're we're

1274
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Speaker 10: all a bit politically tragic in the sense that, you know,

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01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 10: politics are sport for unhealthy people. This is all interesting

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Speaker 10: to us. I don't think it's interesting to people who

1277
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 10: actually care about real life. You know, remember remember back

1278
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Speaker 10: in the old days when cabinet ministers were being pursued

1279
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 10: by police dogs and everyone was like, why aren't they

1280
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 10: be going down with in the polls. It's because New

1281
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 10: Zealanders are mostly apolitical. So I'll miss her. You'll miss

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Speaker 10: her probably Ryan will miss her too. I don't know

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Speaker 10: if anyone else will.

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Speaker 2: You miss her?

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Speaker 5: Ryan?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 13: No?

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Speaker 11: I must say the contrast today, you know, Chloe fronting

1289
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Speaker 11: that press, another darling press, you know, and another batch

1290
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 11: of bad apples and the barrel for the Green Party

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01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 11: and saying to the reporters that the press up. We

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Speaker 11: want to move on, you know, we need to feed

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Speaker 11: our people. They're hungry and the planet's burning, et cetera.

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Speaker 11: And then you've got David Seymour, of all people, feeding

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Speaker 11: those needing hungry kids.

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Speaker 2: This is aint Right's supposed to be the other way around. Hey, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: on the three strikes thing. What I'm confused by is

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Speaker 2: why Nicole McKee is so hell bent on watering down

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Speaker 2: three strikes, the first of the original the og version

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Speaker 2: down to what she's got. Now, why why do this?

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Speaker 8: Is it?

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Speaker 11: Because otherwise you run the risk of it just being

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Speaker 11: repealed again.

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Speaker 16: I mean, you know, look how long the other one lasted.

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Speaker 11: Maybe and the next lot comes in. So maybe she's

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Speaker 11: trying to moderate it a bit so that it actually

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Speaker 11: stands the test of time. If you make it too extreme, labor,

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Speaker 11: we'll get back and they'll get rid of it.

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Speaker 16: And what was the point?

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Speaker 2: Maybe whan did get repealed anyway? Isn't it one of

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Speaker 2: those ones that it doesn't really matter what the logic is.

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Speaker 2: It's just become sort of it's become part of the battle.

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Speaker 10: It's a bit of a It's a political football, isn't it.

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Speaker 10: It's like it's like so many other issues in this country.

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Speaker 10: So for example, you know, healthcare will centralize it, No

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Speaker 10: will devolve it, Education will centralize, it will devolve it.

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Speaker 10: I actually, I mean, I know I know that you're

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Speaker 10: you're a partisan van here, but there's got to be

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Speaker 10: some some kind of agreement where we go. There's actually

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Speaker 10: some stuff we can't stop.

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Speaker 2: And going backwards and forestation again.

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Speaker 10: I know, I know, I know it winds you up,

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Speaker 10: but can I at the risk of making peace, I

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Speaker 10: agree that aggravated robbery isn't a minor offense.

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Speaker 14: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I thought we're getting over It was a bit of

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Speaker 2: a we're getting too close to agreeing on things now, Tim,

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Speaker 2: You've got about a thousand children. Okay, what do you

1329
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: make of the locals asking Ashburton Council to build a

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Speaker 2: chipmunks and in a bowling alley and a gaming arcade.

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Speaker 10: Well, here's the thing. I only speak boys because we

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Speaker 10: got four boys. So if a boy says on board,

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Speaker 10: it means one of three things. Number one, I'm hungry.

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Speaker 10: Number two I haven't run around enough. Number three my

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Speaker 10: Minecraft thirty minutes is tomorrow. I wanted today. You tell

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Speaker 10: them to go outside, go and do something else. And

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Speaker 10: I got to say, also, boredom is the is the

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Speaker 10: parent to creativity. So I you know, I hived off

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Speaker 10: to New York in my mid thirties because I was

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Speaker 10: brought out of my mind and follow and Millie growing

1341
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Speaker 10: up there in my teens. It actually gives birth to

1342
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Speaker 10: great stuff.

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Speaker 2: It does. Yeah, And didn't you Ryan grow up in

1344
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Speaker 2: a part of the world where you had to go

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Speaker 2: out doors and cycle for the entertainment.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, we did.

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Speaker 11: And Mom used to just lock the door. I mean,

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Speaker 11: if we lock outside and she you know, she's not right,

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Speaker 11: you know, she'd get home from work she would lock

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Speaker 11: us that if we were annoying three boys in the house,

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Speaker 11: she just locked the door and say, go and play.

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Speaker 11: And what choice did you have?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Oh, my dear mother, My dear mother used to say,

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Speaker 10: I'm on a satur Day.

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Speaker 13: She'd say, I'm sick of the side of you guys.

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Speaker 10: Get out of the house. I just want to tidy

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Speaker 10: up and I'll see you in the afternoon.

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Speaker 11: Run around right break some buns, you know, I have fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's how you're supposed to grow up. Oh, guys,

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Speaker 2: I love it. I think both of you should just

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Speaker 2: keep on breeding. Well, Tim, you should get keep on breeding,

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01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: and Ryan you should get started because you'll make great humans.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, both of you, Ryan Bridge, Tim Wilson aar

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Speaker 2: hut or seven away from.

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Speaker 1: Six on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and

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Speaker 1: in your car on your drive home. Heather Duplicy allan

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand one giant leap for business news.

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Speaker 2: Talk as Heather, a nine year old, once told me

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Speaker 2: that bored people are lazy. There's a lot of wisdom

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Speaker 2: and kids sometimes hear the Judith Collins send her in

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Speaker 2: as the Crown Observer. Now I got told today that

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Speaker 2: what they're trying to do, and this is the government

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Speaker 2: is find a lefty who can be sent in as

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Speaker 2: the Crown Observer. The only only requisite is that the

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Speaker 2: lefty can understand books like as in like finances. So

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01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 2: that will be somewhat limiting because it's not like a

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Speaker 2: strength obviously for left wing politicians. And it'll probably be

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Speaker 2: a former political or something. Okay, I mean I can

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Speaker 2: think of a few like fran Wilde of former Labour

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01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 2: Party politician can understand books. You could send her in,

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01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 2: but it's probably thin pickings. But anyway, good luck to them.

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Speaker 2: Sophie Maloney's can be with us shortly. Here's an idea

1383
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: and listen, this challenged me when I read this. Here's

1384
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Speaker 2: an idea that might challenge you about what you think.

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01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 2: We've got a fertility problem in this country right Not

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Speaker 2: enough of us are having babies, which means that we

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Speaker 2: don't have enough workers coming through to pay the taxes

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Speaker 2: to look after the rest of us when we get old,

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Speaker 2: which basically means in the end, we're not going to

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Speaker 2: be able to pay for the pension and the healthcare

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Speaker 2: that old people need. Blah blah blah. So basically what

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Speaker 2: we need to do is we need to get on

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Speaker 2: having kids. But how how does the state the state

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01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: needs us to have kids, but how does the state

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Speaker 2: encourage us to have kids? Right, you can't pay people

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Speaker 2: to have babies, and we're already subsidized early childhood education.

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Speaker 2: So what do you do? Eric Crampton from the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Initiative recons maybe we need to change the car

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Speaker 2: seat rules. Maybe we shouldn't be forcing parents to strap

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Speaker 2: their kids into child seats until they're seven, and he

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01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: points to a study by Jordan Nicholson and David Solomon

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Speaker 2: who looked at the effects of car safety seat regulation

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Speaker 2: in the US. The thing there is different states have

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Speaker 2: different rules around when you need to strap the kids

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Speaker 2: in and stuff, and in states where kids must be

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Speaker 2: in child seats, basically families stop at two kids. They

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Speaker 2: don't have any more kids than that because you can't

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01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 2: really fit three car seats in the back of your car, right,

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Speaker 2: you've got to get a big car and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: But in the States where they don't have the rules

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Speaker 2: that the families keep having kids. So maybe in order

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Speaker 2: to encourage people to have more kids, we need to

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Speaker 2: relax the rules around strapping them in. And here's the

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Speaker 2: really challenging thing. Car seat regulations they reckon might save

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Speaker 2: about sixty children from dying in car crashes in a

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Speaker 2: year across the States, but they stop eight thousand families

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Speaker 2: from having babies. So you save sixty, but you don't

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Speaker 2: have another eight thousand. Maybe you're better off having the

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Speaker 2: eight thousand and losing the sixty. I said it was

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Speaker 2: going to challenge you.

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Speaker 1: We have business and it meets insight the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with the head and duplicy Elan and my hr on

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Speaker 1: Newsox that be.

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Speaker 2: Even and coming up in the next hour, brad Olsen's

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Speaker 2: going to talk us through the export import numbers. Apparently

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Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe's protest in Australia, this is her protest of

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01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 2: King Charles has made the Republican movement look bad. So

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Speaker 2: we'll get you across that. And also Kevin Gray out

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Speaker 2: of the UK right now. It's coming up eight past

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Speaker 2: six now. SkyTV shares have had a bit of a

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Speaker 2: bump today after the PayTV provider announced a new deal

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Speaker 2: with Warner Brothers Discovery. Warner Brothers Discovery has decided it's

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Speaker 2: not going to launch its streaming service Max in New Zealand. Instead,

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Speaker 2: it's going to allow Sky to broadcast all the movies

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Speaker 2: and the shows on Max through Sky's various platforms and

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Speaker 2: so on. And this will mean shows like The Big Bang,

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01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 2: Theory and Friends and Rick and Morty will be available

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Speaker 2: on Neon when the deal kicks in at the end

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Speaker 2: of the month. Sophie Maloney is SkyTV's chief executive. Hey, Sophie,

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Speaker 2: gore to hear that, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Now, these guys have launched Max in Australia,

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01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 2: so why didn't they want to launch Max here?

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Speaker 24: Well, we a's a long standing partnership with Warner Brothers

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01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 24: Discovery and we're just super excited that they've seen that

1446
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 24: rather than going direct consumer and Arteta on New Zealand,

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Speaker 24: it's better to partner the Sky because we've got the

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01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 24: best customer base for them to engage in. So we're

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01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 24: really excited about the steal here?

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01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: Was it simple economics? Was it just that you guys

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01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: offered them more for the product than they could make

1452
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 2: by going to hundreds of thousands of US for it.

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Speaker 24: I think there's there's economics, and there's the ability to

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01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 24: continue to partner with us. I mean, our customer base

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01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 24: across Sky and Neon is impressive, So yeah, I'm sure

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01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 24: that's part of what they weigh up. But also there's

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01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 24: a there's a fair amount of effort that goes into

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01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 24: direct consumer for these players, and I think they looked

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01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 24: at the size of market and you know, we were

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Speaker 24: the best bet for them.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't they have that option in Australia?

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Speaker 24: That's Stephanie for the Aussie market and for those guys

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Speaker 24: to answer for you. What I am excited about is

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Speaker 24: that customers are not only going to get their favorite

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01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 24: titles from HBO Max, but yeah, lots of deep library

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Speaker 24: content that we haven't had access to before.

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Speaker 2: How long is it for because there is always the

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Speaker 2: risk obviously that this is just tiding them over for

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Speaker 2: a bit and then they go direct to consumer at

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Speaker 2: some stage.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, no, we're not. We haven't talked about the term

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Speaker 24: because it's commercially sensitive and it's a pretty competitive landscape,

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Speaker 24: as you'll appreciate hither, So we never talk about it

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01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 24: in terms of our entertainment deals. Suffice to say that

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Speaker 24: I'm confident that we're going to continue to partner really,

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01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 24: really well, and of course, with customers keep enjoying the

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01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 24: content with us, then there's no reason for Warner Brothers

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Speaker 24: to launch direct.

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01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 2: Hey, so I saw that they actually paid you. It

1480
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 2: looks like four to five million. What happened there?

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Speaker 24: Oh, that's just part of the we have to disclose,

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01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 24: you know, the how the deal works. Because the prior

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01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 24: deal is coming to an end. We're basically prepaid for

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Speaker 24: some content that we haven't minaged to play out by

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Speaker 24: the launch date. So that's just part of the mechanics

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Speaker 24: of giving effect to the new deal.

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Speaker 2: Did you see Gregor Paul's column at the weekend which

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Speaker 2: one was that that was the one that asked whether

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Speaker 2: you in New Zealand, like as in SkyTV and New

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Speaker 2: Zealand would be are partners or competitors? Yes?

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Speaker 24: I did see that article, of course, And what's the answer. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 24: I think that there's there's obviously always speculation. Does New

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01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 24: Zealand Rugby want to think about a direct consumer play.

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01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 24: From our perspective, we're very comfortable to have that conversation.

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01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 24: And we've got a a really important customer base who

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Speaker 24: loved their Rugby. And if New Zealand Rugby wants to

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Speaker 24: do some of that on their platform and still partner

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Speaker 24: with us, and we can think about free to wear

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Speaker 24: as well, I think it's all part of it, right.

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Speaker 2: Aren't they already doing it through the streaming platform that

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Speaker 2: they've got.

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Speaker 24: They are doing it for markets offshore, and so they

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01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 24: do have the ability to do that like we used

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01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 24: to do with Rugby Pass. You might recall that we

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Speaker 24: said that as part of our solution. We sold that

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01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 24: to World Rugby. So yeah, they've got that, they've got

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Speaker 24: that capability. But I suppose the read across from this

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Speaker 24: deal is that Warner Brothers Discovery looked at the size

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Speaker 24: of market and the audience opportunity and revenue and decided

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Speaker 24: it was better to partner with us, take the check

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Speaker 24: from us, and I suppose you could make a read

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Speaker 24: across to Rugby that said, we're very comfortable to help

1513
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 24: Rugby with their global ambitions. We know that that's been

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01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,919
Speaker 24: talked about a lot in terms of the Silver Lake investment,

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01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 24: so that for me is all part of it. But yeah,

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Speaker 24: in terms of this deal, Heather, we're just super excited

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01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 24: and we think you will be because Whiteladus will be

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01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 24: with you on on again soon.

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01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 2: I like what you're doing now. I'm not finished with rugby.

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01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 2: We'll come back to that. Are you getting vibes Are

1521
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: you getting the vibes from ends? Are that they want

1522
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 2: to actually comect They want to offer us the product

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01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: the games direct to consumer here in New Zealand as

1524
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: well as the global market.

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01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 24: Well, we're in We're in good discussions with them about

1526
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 24: the local market and having a conversation around what the

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01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 24: value is and we certainly know that they've got ambitions

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01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 24: to grow access to the All Blacks brand abroad. We

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 24: think there's a happy path to do that doing a

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01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 24: deal with us and having the content that we will

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01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 24: capture on the ground here for them to then distribute offshore.

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01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 24: So yeah, it's going to be definitely be a big part

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Speaker 24: of the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I had assumed that the hold up in

1535
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 2: the negotiations with you guys as to how it was

1536
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 2: basically around how much you were going to pay for

1537
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 2: this situation to continue, your partnership to continue, But now

1538
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: sounds like maybe it may also be held up by

1539
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 2: what their ambitions are and whether you are prepared to

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01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 2: accommodate that. Is that fair?

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01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 24: I think there's a whole bunch that goes into it.

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01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 24: There's also the rights that they're bringing to market. You know,

1543
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 24: there's been a lot of talk about the New Nation's Cup,

1544
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,480
Speaker 24: which is for the end of year tours and inbounds,

1545
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 24: being rolled up into a new rights package, and so

1546
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 24: that's something that we're keen to see what that looks like.

1547
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,560
Speaker 24: That there's value attached the all blacks heather as you'll appreciate. Yeah,

1548
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 24: so there's a whole bunch of things that are in

1549
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 24: that conversation with New Zealand Rugby, and yeah, we're excited

1550
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 24: to continue the conversation. We know what the value of

1551
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 24: the rights are in terms of what our customers are

1552
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 24: prepared to pay because of the customers who are watching

1553
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 24: it and enjoying it, and that all goes into the

1554
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 24: max right, So I'm very keen to find a way

1555
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 24: to make sure our customers can continue to enjoy their

1556
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 24: Rugby on Sky And of course we need to work

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01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 24: with New Zealand Rugby to see what their offshore ambitions

1558
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 24: are too.

1559
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 2: How do you fight Craig Fenton to work with.

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01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,440
Speaker 24: Yes, So Craig and I've had a yeah, good relationship.

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01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 24: It's been a fair bit of time with him since

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01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 24: I met him at the Rugby World Cup last year.

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01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 24: So yeah, it was a big news to see today.

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01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently rubbed up some people the wrong way. By

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01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: the sounds of things it ends are.

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Speaker 24: I certainly wouldn't be able to comment on that.

1567
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 2: I was totally fishing for gossip there, as you could tell. Now,

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01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 2: listen on to the stuff that you were telling me

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01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 2: about White Lotus. When is that arriving?

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01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 24: Hopefully January gives a bit of a way.

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Speaker 2: Have you tried watching The Penguin? Yes, I love it, Sophie.

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01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: I tried what I've had to split one of the

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01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: episodes up across two nights because it was so grim

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01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 2: and it's given me nightmares. I mean, I don't know

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01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: what that's about me, but it seems like it's a

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01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 2: really I'm too old for that. It's quite a dark show,

1577
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 2: isn't it.

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01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 13: It is?

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01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 24: It is quite dark, but there's also some lightness to

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01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 24: it too. I think it's I think it's really clear

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01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 24: writing and filming the way they've done it. I do

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 24: have another one for you then, Joan, have you watched it?

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01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 2: No, I think I've seen it added it's been it's

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01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 2: been pushed at me.

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01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 24: Yeah, six part British crime drammer. I think you'll enjoy.

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01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 24: It's based on a real life story of Joan Hennington

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01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 24: Jill Thief. I'm not going to read, Sophie, what's that?

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01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 2: It's the one with Sophie Turner in it, isn't it?

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01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 23: Yes?

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01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 24: Correct?

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01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, missus Jonas all right, brilliant. I think, oh yeah,

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01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 2: don't worry about Sweetpeet. That sounds freaky as I'll watch

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01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 2: this one instead. Appreciate it.

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01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 24: Yeah, enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Heather, Thank you very much, Sophie. Sophie Maloney's

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01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 2: guy TV chief executive. Listen if you if you're not

1597
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 2: up on what's happened with Craig Fenton. Craig Fenton is

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01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 2: the guy who was the commercial leader for New Zealand Rugby.

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01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 2: He's only been in the job for one year, but

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01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 2: he's already quit and multiple sources told The Rold that

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01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: his departure had been brewing for at least a month

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01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: after he fell out with senior people within nz R

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01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 2: and consultants believe to have been hired in recent weeks.

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01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 2: That's the reporter of Johnny got quite a few names. Actually,

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01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 2: thank you for this. On who should be taking over

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 2: as the Crown Observer at Wellington City Council. You need

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01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 2: a lefty who can understand books. Somebody has suggested Rob

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01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 2: Campbell might be able to do the job. Someone else

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01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 2: says how about Peter Dunn or Steve Mahari, all of

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01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 2: which are not bad ideas. And now I said you

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01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: was going to talk to Brad Olson, but in fact

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01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 2: Brad has been bumped for same and Brown. This is

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01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 2: the first opportunity we're going to be able to speak

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01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 2: to the minister. So he's going to be us very

1615
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 2: shortly and explain his decision. Sixteen PAS six, crunching the

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01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,560
Speaker 2: numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather dup c Ellen with the Business Hour thanks

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: to my HR, the HR platform for sm on.

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01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 2: Newstalksb eighteen PA six. I'll get you across this business

1620
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 2: with Lydia Thorpe and how it's turned people off the

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01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 2: Republican movement in Australia. The government though, is going to

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01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 2: appoint a Crown observer to Wellington Council. The local government

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 2: minister's worry abou dysfunction and financial management, particularly with regards

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01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 2: to paying for fixing for the pipes. That, of course

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01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 2: is sime and Brown.

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01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 13: Who's with us A samn good evening.

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01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: Have you heard from Tori yet?

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Speaker 25: Oh?

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01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 13: I spoke to.

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01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 25: Her earlier today, prior to announcing my decision, and I

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01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 25: informed her that I'd be putting an observer in and

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01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 25: outline the process to her. She's to her obviously. We've

1633
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 25: now written to her. She now has ten days to

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01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 25: respond based on under the law on the terms of reference.

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01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:31,480
Speaker 2: Was she surprised?

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01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 13: Oh, I didn't get the sense of that. I thought.

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01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 13: I think it was. It was a professional conversation.

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01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 25: I informed her of the of the decision I'd arrived

1639
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 25: at based on a number of reasons, one the dysfunction,

1640
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 25: two financial management, and three how they've been how they're

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01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 25: using their balance sheet to invest in water infrastructure, which,

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01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 25: of course Wellingtonian snow is a significant issue for the city.

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01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 2: How explain to me how you've come to the conclusion

1644
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 2: that rate payers are being overcharged by seven hundred million.

1645
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 25: Well, one of the pieces of advice that I received

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01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 25: from the Department of Internal Affears is in regards to

1647
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 25: how they are utilizing their balance sheet to effectively invest

1648
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 25: in water infrastructure, is based on their long term plan.

1649
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,839
Speaker 13: Effectively, of the.

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01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 25: One point one billion dollars, well one point one six

1651
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 25: billion dollars that's being proposed to spend on what cap X,

1652
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 25: ninety four percent of that has been funded through rates

1653
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 25: revenues and only six percent through debt financing. And effectively

1654
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 25: these are intergenerational assets, the long term assets, and that's

1655
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 25: highlighting that they're not utilizing their balance sheet appropriately in

1656
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 25: order to invest in these long term assets. And so

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01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 25: that's an issue which has been highlighted. And again Onetnians

1658
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 25: well know that what infrastructure in Wellington is an incredibly

1659
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 25: poor state. And so again it's just another of the

1660
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 25: reasons why we've taken this step to put an observer

1661
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 25: in place as they redo their long term plan.

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01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 13: As we know this is an incredibly important issue for

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01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 13: the city.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, because this use of the balance sheet

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01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 2: has not come up before, there is now some speculation

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01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: that you are using this to reverse engineer a decision

1667
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 2: and basically justify a decision you have already made.

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01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 13: No, not at all.

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01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 25: I mean we ask for advice in regards to the

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01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 25: situation in Wellington. I think, as you and your listeners know,

1671
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 25: there's been increasing concern over the governance of Wellington City

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01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 25: Council for some time now. We ask for advice. The

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01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 25: advice covered a range of issues in relation to not

1674
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 25: only the decision made around the long term Plan a

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01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 25: couple of weeks ago to effectively relitigate it, but looked

1676
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 25: at other issues the council as well. So that advice

1677
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 25: came to me and on the basis of that, we've

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01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 25: chosen to put an observer in.

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01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 2: Is the Crown monitor that you will appoint basically just

1680
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 2: going to watch and report or do you expect them

1681
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 2: to be more active providing guidance and advice and so on.

1682
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 25: Well, they will be able to provide guidance and not

1683
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,560
Speaker 25: only to the Mayor and the councilors, but also to

1684
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 25: council officers as well. And I think that's really important

1685
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 25: because ultimately those council officers have a huge amount of

1686
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 25: power and influence in terms of the decisions that are

1687
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 25: made by the council. Have been very clear though to

1688
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 25: the mayor end in my public statements, this Crown Observer

1689
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 25: will not be undertaking any of the democratic decision making.

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01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 25: That democratic decision made again, accountability sits fairly and squeally

1691
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 25: with the meyor and who Counselorsky, do.

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01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,560
Speaker 2: You need some names, because I've got some names for you,

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01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: because what you need, I understand is a lefty who

1694
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 2: can understand books.

1695
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 25: Well, look, I'm getting advice from the Department in regards

1696
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 25: to some proposed names and then we'll be going through

1697
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 25: that process.

1698
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 2: So that's you telling me gently that no, you don't

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01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 2: need the names that I've got because I've got Steve

1700
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 2: Mahari for you, fran Wilde, Rob Campbell and who there

1701
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 2: was somebody else as well. I can't remember, but Peter Dunn.

1702
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: Those are good names, aren't they.

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01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 25: No, No, those are all good names. Well, appreciate the feedback.

1704
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. I'll pass that on. I appreciate it, Simmy,

1705
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 2: and good luck with a shimozzle that you're dealing with now,

1706
01:19:57,800 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 2: Sime and Brown, the local government minister, the ego, it

1707
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 2: wasn't my six twenty three.

1708
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs sort of the big Corporates The Business

1709
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather Dup of Clans and my HR the

1710
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: HR Solution for busy SMEs on News Talk ZB.

1711
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,879
Speaker 2: Listen, some noises coming out of Barcelona are not sounding

1712
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 2: very good for Grant Dalton in terms of hosting the

1713
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 2: America's Cup. There again, because if you've been following this right,

1714
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 2: it would appear from the noises coming out of Team

1715
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 2: New Zealand their preferences to stay in Europe. But it

1716
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like Barcelona is going to be quite the

1717
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,879
Speaker 2: competitor that we might have thought. A local Spanish newspaper

1718
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: is reporting that Barcelona's city council is now less enthusiastic

1719
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: about hosting a second America's Cup as they were about

1720
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 2: the first one, which basically I mean they might still

1721
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 2: do it, it just sounds like they're not going to

1722
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 2: pay as much for it. There has been quote a

1723
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 2: flirtation for months that has not materialized, and in recent

1724
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 2: weeks the interest even seems to have cooled. If Barcelona

1725
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 2: sought to host a second Cup, the city's reported view

1726
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 2: may affect how much it would pay for it. The

1727
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: newspaper noted that the big closing at the Big Closing

1728
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 2: ceremony for the Cup. The city's mayor congratulated him New

1729
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 2: Zealand for their victory, but did not go any further,

1730
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 2: did not commit to putting any more money into it

1731
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 2: or keeping it for a second time around. And the

1732
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 2: bigger problem there appears to be, at least as far

1733
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 2: as the locals are concerned, that they hate the tourism,

1734
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 2: and they blame the local America's Cup for that. I

1735
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 2: would blame the most recent America's Cup for that, And

1736
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 2: that is now a consideration as well. Do you pay

1737
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: a lot of money to do the thing again that

1738
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 2: the locals really hated? Probably not. So what did they

1739
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: pay last time? I think it was one thirty million.

1740
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a lot less than that. Maybe we're

1741
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: back in the game. Maybe we're back in the game, Heather,

1742
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 2: Did he just start to say, commissioner, I don't know,

1743
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 2: let's ever listen.

1744
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 25: And I informed her that I'd be putting a observer in.

1745
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 2: Yes, he did start to say commissioner.

1746
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 25: And I informed her that I'd be putting a observer in.

1747
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 2: Now my theory, and look, I come up with wacky

1748
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: theories from time to time. Occasionally they actually do turn

1749
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 2: out to be right. Often just nonsense that I just

1750
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 2: give at you. I'm going to give you some nonsense.

1751
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 24: Now.

1752
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 2: My theory is that the Crown observer is going in

1753
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 2: very much to observe, not to advise. They are there

1754
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 2: to nark, They are there to witness, and they will

1755
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: collect information that will then give some and bround the

1756
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: ability to put commissioners in which I am according to

1757
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: my conspiracy theory is the reason he started to say,

1758
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 2: commissioner headline next time day.

1759
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1760
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather duper c Allen and my

1761
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: HR the HR solution for busy sms on news Talks.

1762
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: It'd be.

1763
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 2: Either if you watched Spanish or French TV, you would

1764
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: know that people all over Spain have been protesting in

1765
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 2: the streets against tax payer money going towards holding the

1766
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 2: America's cup. Well, that means that and that's fair. It

1767
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 2: still sounds like they're in the game, just not to

1768
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 2: the same level as before hand, which means that we

1769
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 2: might be in the game. Maybe if Grant bothers to

1770
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: call Bush, because apparently we need Grant to call the government.

1771
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 2: The government's not going to call grant. But really, at

1772
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 2: the end of the day, of Saudi Arabia's even interested.

1773
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 2: We're all out, aren't we, because they've got deep pockets.

1774
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 2: I've got really exciting news for you. By the way,

1775
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 2: I found out today that mel Road has been added

1776
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: to the fast track projects. Mill Road is. If you

1777
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm harping on about, where are you?

1778
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: I've been harping on about this for the longest time.

1779
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 2: Mill Road is an alternative to the Southern Motorway heading

1780
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 2: south out of Auckland. So once you hit Manekou you

1781
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: can take Mill Road. You can you can sort of

1782
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 2: get off the motorway and you can take Mill Road

1783
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 2: all the way down to Drury. But the trouble is

1784
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 2: Mill Road is a goat track. It's one lane one way,

1785
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 2: in one lane the other way, and all kinds of

1786
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 2: weird little intersections and stuff going on. But it could

1787
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 2: be a viable alternative, you know, if you go for

1788
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 2: go for four lanes or something like that. Anyway, as

1789
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 2: a result of the government's fast track legislation, it's been added,

1790
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 2: and so we might actually be able to get this

1791
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 2: thing upgraded and fast. And we need it, don't we.

1792
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 2: I mean, tell anybody south of Manecal you don't need it,

1793
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 2: and they will tell you you need it. Twenty three

1794
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:07,440
Speaker 2: away from seven.

1795
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: Here the dupless out.

1796
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 2: Today is the last day of the King and Queen's

1797
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 2: visit to Australia. They're going to head straight to some

1798
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: war once they've wrapped it up for the Commonwealth Heads

1799
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 2: of government meeting over there, and they're not going to

1800
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: be stopping in New Zealand on the way. Former in

1801
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: fact Deputy Secretary Peter Hamilton has long argued that we

1802
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 2: are actually ready in this country to have our own

1803
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 2: head of state and he's with us. Hey, Peter, how

1804
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 2: are you very well? Thank you? I reckon that Chile's

1805
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,959
Speaker 2: bypassing us strengthens your argument, What do you think.

1806
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 5: Well, in a way it does. I don't you know.

1807
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 5: I don't forget the fact that he's sick and unable

1808
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 5: to travel. He's only making a short visit to Australia,

1809
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 5: not a full state visit. It's like a transit stop

1810
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 5: and he's doing some R and r here on the

1811
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 5: way to some more So, I wasn't surprised that he's

1812
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 5: not coming to New Zealand. But what it does show

1813
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 5: basically is the whole business of having a foreigner as

1814
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 5: our head of state in Australia, Canada and New Zealand

1815
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 5: a few other countries. It's just overloading the system and

1816
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 5: the British monarch can't undertake the role that's required in

1817
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 5: this modern day and age of being a head of

1818
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 5: state for New Zealand. In New Zealand and you know,

1819
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 5: we've got the Governor General there, Dame Cindy Kry, doing

1820
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 5: all the work but getting very little of the recognition.

1821
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 13: For what she does.

1822
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 2: Do we actually miss out on anything though, having Cindy

1823
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: there instead of Charles.

1824
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 5: Well put it this way, I think Cindy misses out

1825
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 5: in one sense because she's not getting the recognition internationally

1826
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,839
Speaker 5: that she should have as New Zealand's are duly appointed

1827
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 5: head of state. She does everything fine in terms of

1828
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 5: the ceremonial role in New Zealand, and we're talking about

1829
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 5: keeping it as the ceremonial non executive role. But New

1830
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 5: Zealand is hampered when the Governor General goes overseas because

1831
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 5: of course nobody quite understands any longer what the heck

1832
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 5: a governor does or governor general does. You know that

1833
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 5: sounds like some sort of colonial thing, really, doesn't it,

1834
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 5: because it is. And you know, then they say, well,

1835
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 5: who is your head of state? And we say, well,

1836
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 5: it's actually the British monarch And at that point people's

1837
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 5: eyes sort of gloss over and they sort of wonder

1838
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 5: why that's the case. What it's historical in our situation.

1839
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 5: But it is time in the twenty first century to

1840
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 5: bring the whole role back to New Zealand.

1841
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 2: I think, Peter, why is it that at the moment

1842
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 2: this is falling on deaf is there just doesn't seem

1843
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 2: to be much of an appetite to discuss this kind

1844
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 2: of stuff, both here in New Zealand and over in Australia.

1845
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1846
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 5: One thing, of course, is that there's plenty else going

1847
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 5: on at the moment, and who gets really excited about

1848
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 5: constitutional issues. It's just not very sexy at all at

1849
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 5: any stage of the game. But I think the point

1850
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 5: is that there's confusion too about what the issues are.

1851
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 5: If you ask New Zealanders, should a New Zealander be

1852
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 5: our head of state or could a New Zealander take

1853
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 5: on the role as the head of state? No New

1854
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 5: Zealand is going to say, oh no, no, we're incapable

1855
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 5: of doing that. Everybody agrees we are capable of doing it.

1856
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 5: The sort of confusion is about what the role actually

1857
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 5: entails and what not having the British king as our

1858
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 5: head of state would mean too. Some people say, oh, well,

1859
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 5: I don't want to leave the Commonwealth. We like the

1860
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 5: Commonwealth Games. Well, that's not the point. We aren't going

1861
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 5: to leave the Commonwealth. We can go to the Commonwealth Games.

1862
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 5: Even as the republic and most countries in this day

1863
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 5: and age are republics now in the Commonwealth. Of the

1864
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 5: fifty four Commonwealth countries, only thirteen of them have the

1865
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 5: British monarchs as head of state. Most of them our republics.

1866
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 5: So I think it's time to have the conversation. But

1867
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 5: there is confusion and understanding too about what this actually means.

1868
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 5: If you ask New Zealanders. We did a few years ago,

1869
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 5: we did a survey asking New Zealanders who is our

1870
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 5: head of state? And would you believe it? Eighty percent

1871
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 5: didn't know. Only twenty percent got it right. Most people

1872
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 5: thought it was the Prime Minister, the Governor General didn't

1873
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 5: really know, and so they didn't really have much much

1874
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 5: clue about who actually is is our head of state.

1875
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 5: So it's a bit of a confusion there.

1876
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Peter, I think that the behavior from Lydia Thorpe

1877
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,839
Speaker 2: in the last few days actually harms the Republican movement

1878
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 2: simply because while you might be sympathetic towards Republicanism, who

1879
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 2: wants to be associated with that kind of outlandish and

1880
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 2: rude behavior.

1881
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely agree with you. Look, she might have had

1882
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 5: her own particular viewpoint. Everybody has and is entitled to

1883
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 5: their own viewpoints. But in this discussion of replacing the

1884
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 5: British monarch as at our head of state, we're not

1885
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 5: in any way seeking to denigrate or downplay or attack

1886
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 5: the British monarchy or the royal family.

1887
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 26: That's just not it.

1888
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 5: We need to calm, measured, rational and polite conversation about

1889
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 5: the issues that Charles has said publicly, if Australia New

1890
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 5: Zealand want to become republics, he won't stand in the

1891
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 5: way of it. And as John Luck, as Christopher Luxon

1892
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 5: said yesterday, he's a soft Republican. But when he was

1893
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 5: asked what does King Charles actually do for New Zealand,

1894
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 5: you know what his answer was. He said, he's dedicated.

1895
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so dedicated. It doesn't even visit us exactly.

1896
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 5: And there's nobody more dedicated in this whole equation than

1897
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,600
Speaker 5: our governor's general, like Simdi Kiro at the moment.

1898
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 2: Hey, Peter, thanks for talking us through it. I really

1899
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,839
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Is Peter Hamilton, former m FAT Deputy secretary

1900
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 2: and diplomat. Diplomat here the why are we adding a

1901
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 2: lefty to the chamozzle? Why is that necessary? Simply Mark?

1902
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 2: Because what this the greatest risk that the government, as

1903
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 2: in like the coalition government as in Simeon Brown runs

1904
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 2: at the moment is that they are accused of simply

1905
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 2: putting in a Crown observer because they don't like what

1906
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 2: Tory is doing, because he couldn't. I mean, it's talk

1907
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 2: and cheese, right. Toy is all about getting rid of

1908
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 2: the cars, having this cycle always pedestrianizing the claimate. Yeah

1909
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 2: you know, I mean she is like far left right

1910
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 2: and Simeon is even by conservative standards, further to the

1911
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 2: right right. He's all like, no cycleways, get rid of

1912
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 2: the speed humps, and so they have completely contrasting views.

1913
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 2: He runs the risk of being seen as just putting

1914
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 2: in a commissioner because he doesn't like what she's doing,

1915
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,959
Speaker 2: which obviously is not a good enough reason for a commissioner.

1916
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 2: So he can't just chuck in any old you know,

1917
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 2: any old mate, or any old mate who thinks like

1918
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 2: he does. He needs somebody who thinks like Tory does

1919
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 2: to stit there a knack on Tory so that he

1920
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:33,799
Speaker 2: when he then puts in the commissioners, he can say, well,

1921
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 2: it's not political bias, because even one of the lefties

1922
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 2: knocked on her. That's why he needs a lefty seventeen

1923
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:40,480
Speaker 2: away from seven.

1924
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:44,759
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither duplicy.

1925
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR the

1926
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: HR solution for SMS on news Talks.

1927
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,959
Speaker 2: FB Brady UK correspondents with us. Now, Hey, Hinda, Hey,

1928
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 2: good to speak to you again, and it's good to

1929
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 2: chat to you. I see that cop has been cleared

1930
01:30:59,360 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 2: of murder.

1931
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 26: Yes, this was a very significant prosecution, but it ended

1932
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 26: with Sergeant Martin Blake being acquitted, cleared of murder after

1933
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:14,679
Speaker 26: just three hours and twenty minutes of jury deliberations, unanimously cleared.

1934
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 26: Now his charge of murder goes back to September two

1935
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 26: years ago. He was on duty Sergeant Martin Blake and

1936
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 26: other officers and they tried to stop a high powered

1937
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 26: Audi vehicle in Stretham in South London, which had been

1938
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 26: linked to a non fatal shooting the night before. So

1939
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 26: the police obviously felt whoever was in this vehicle may

1940
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 26: well have had information relating to a shooting the night before,

1941
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 26: so they were very wary of the vehicle. They perform

1942
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 26: what they call a hard stop, you've seen it on TV.

1943
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 26: They had the vehicle boxed in, but the guy behind

1944
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 26: the wheel, who turned out to be a man called

1945
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 26: Chris Cabba, aged twenty four, he tried to ram his

1946
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 26: way out of the hard stop. Now there was numerous

1947
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 26: officers on the ground and at this point Sergeant Martin

1948
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 26: Blake approached the v and fired one single round through

1949
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 26: the windscreen at the driver and had struck Chris Cabba

1950
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,560
Speaker 26: in the forehead and he died shortly afterwards in hospital,

1951
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 26: and there followed a murder charge against the officer. Now

1952
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 26: serving police officers were so angry at this murder charge

1953
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 26: being brought given what they felt was the level of

1954
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 26: danger faced by their colleagues, they started handing back in

1955
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:28,679
Speaker 26: their firearms and refusing to carry firearms. So we've had

1956
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 26: the court case, the jury came back and Sergeant Martin

1957
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 26: Blake has been found not guilty.

1958
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 2: And now the boss of the met basically says, if

1959
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 2: we carry on this way prosecuting cops trying to do

1960
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 2: their jobs, it will crush the spirits and they won't

1961
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 2: be able to do their jobs. Has he got a point?

1962
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 26: I think he has. Look I speak as the son

1963
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 26: of a police officer and my father carried a firearm

1964
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 26: as well in Ireland in the eighties and nineties. I

1965
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 26: think they're extremely well trained people, psychologically, very very balanced,

1966
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:02,679
Speaker 26: calm people. They are not rash individuals. And I think

1967
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 26: it's a very very difficult job being a firearms cup

1968
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 26: because you're taking a decision in a nano second. Because

1969
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 26: they didn't know if this guy was going to drive

1970
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 26: over other officers. That was what the fear was amongst

1971
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,799
Speaker 26: the cups. But I just think back to my father's

1972
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 26: career thirty years in the police in Ireland where there

1973
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 26: was an active terrorist organization, and my father said something

1974
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 26: to me recently, he's long retired. He said, I never

1975
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 26: fired a single round while on duty. Thank god. That

1976
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 26: was his take all that training, Think of all the exercises,

1977
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 26: all the training, all the target practice, not one round

1978
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 26: dispense toile on duty and he's The last words he

1979
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 26: said were thank.

1980
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 2: God, Yeah, fair enough. Hey see, you got a whole

1981
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 2: bunch of bed. He's gonna get laid out of jail today.

1982
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 2: How are the public feeling about this?

1983
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 15: Not great?

1984
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 26: I would say that's another eleven hundred prisoners coming out

1985
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 26: early today. The only people who can't qualify for this

1986
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 26: early release scheme now are murderers, sex offenders and terrorists.

1987
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 26: Everyone else. It's basically over to you to get out

1988
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 26: of prison today. Eleven hundred. Now, the problem we have

1989
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 26: is this is just buying more time. We've done this

1990
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 26: six weeks ago. The prison population is going up by

1991
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 26: one hundred and fifty inmates per week, so ker Stamer

1992
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 26: and his government have effectively bought themselves another seven weeks.

1993
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,679
Speaker 26: What we need to do is have a very serious

1994
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 26: discussion here about sentencing and either we put shorter sentences

1995
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 26: on crime or we build more prisons. And this is

1996
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 26: successive governments have had this issue. But Starmer will say

1997
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 26: that he's inherited an absolute mess of a prison system,

1998
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,639
Speaker 26: and until he can get the budget over the line

1999
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 26: in ten days time and get some money into it.

2000
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 26: This is what needs to happen.

2001
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 2: What about more Dova in dan.

2002
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 26: Yes, So this is a shocker. Moldova have had two

2003
01:34:56,439 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 26: elections on the same day, an EU joining referendum which

2004
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 26: they narrowly scraped over the line in favor of Yes

2005
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 26: by about half a percent, and then there was a

2006
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 26: presidential election which now goes to a runoff. But the

2007
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 26: big story doing the rounds in Europe is that Russia

2008
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 26: spent twenty two million dollars trying to buy votes and

2009
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 26: this was not even hidden. This was basically money dropping

2010
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 26: in people's bank accounts to go and vote for prolish

2011
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 26: and candidates and vote against joining the European Union. So

2012
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 26: it just goes to show you that this level of

2013
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 26: bribery and corruption and trying to utterly corrupt the democratic

2014
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,799
Speaker 26: process alive and well in Eastern Europe.

2015
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 2: Jesus is, isn't it?

2016
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 17: Hey?

2017
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 2: Indo, thanks as always appreciated Into Brady, UK correspondent. Hither

2018
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,839
Speaker 2: the answer is looking at you in your face, Grant Robertson.

2019
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 2: Hey's great at finance as well. He can read numbers.

2020
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 2: But no, fortunately, Grant's got another job already, fortunately nine

2021
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 2: away from seven.

2022
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

2023
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Hither duplessy Ellen and my

2024
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: HR the HR platform for sme usp Heather.

2025
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 2: Can Darlene Tanna please give a leaving speech at the Beehive?

2026
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Ben, how good would that? That is

2027
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 2: a fantastic suggestion. I think we need to just app

2028
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 2: We just need to recall Darlene for just one one

2029
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 2: last hurrah and just tell her loaded up with everything,

2030
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 2: tell us absolutely everything that happened. I'd be there for that. Hither.

2031
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 2: Who cares whether we've had whether we have a head

2032
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 2: of state in New Zealand or in the UK. No

2033
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 2: way would I want any of our former prime ministers

2034
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 2: as a head of state. I do you know what,

2035
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I don't have this aversion

2036
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 2: to a New Zealander doing the job that other people

2037
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 2: apparently do. I don't mind. I think Helen Clark would

2038
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:41,719
Speaker 2: do a perfectly good job as the head of state.

2039
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going to agree with her about on everything.

2040
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 2: I didn't agree with her on everything when she was

2041
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 2: Prime Minister. I don't agree with like any Prime minister

2042
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 2: on anything right, nor should you because you're a free

2043
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 2: thinking individual. You're not going to agree with another person

2044
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 2: absolutely everything. But can you respect it? Yes the hell

2045
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 2: and I can. I mean if we start going down

2046
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 2: the path of voting and Regis said, I've got a

2047
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 2: problem with that, But what can you do? We've done

2048
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 2: that once before, But now I reckon there are a

2049
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 2: few of them that can do a perfectly good job.

2050
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:13,480
Speaker 2: Now listen, roundabouts love me e roading story about stupid ideas.

2051
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 2: There is a roundabout in christ Church. You don't get

2052
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 2: a lot of criticism of the roundabouts in christ Church,

2053
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 2: but there is one that's copping criticism for a bunch

2054
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 2: of reasons. This is one at the foot of the

2055
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 2: Port Hills. It connects Dyers Pass Road and cash Beer

2056
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 2: Road in Columbus Street and blah blah blah whatever. Anyway,

2057
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,440
Speaker 2: the first problem with this roundabout is that the roundabouts

2058
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 2: renovation costs seven hundred thousand dollars. Come on, guys, seven

2059
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. You can build a house for that.

2060
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:42,680
Speaker 2: That's too much money. That even beats Auckland Transport. And

2061
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 2: when you beat Oakland Transport, a wasteful spending. You really

2062
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 2: are doing yourself. As far as I can say, the

2063
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 2: most expensive Auckland transport one was about six hundred, so

2064
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 2: seven hundred is like whacked whacked. Second problem is now

2065
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 2: it has a pedestrian crossing right at the roundabout, which

2066
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 2: means cars are suddenly suddenly stopped and then they're backing

2067
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 2: up the traffic. And so I don't have a big

2068
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,679
Speaker 2: problem with that because where I live we've got heaps

2069
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 2: of this round about with a pedestrian crossing right there.

2070
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 2: My biggest problem is I look at this thing. I

2071
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 2: have no bloody idea what's going on here. It is

2072
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 2: so busy. There is a pedestrian crossing, and then either

2073
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 2: side of the pedestrian crossing you've got a green square

2074
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 2: and another green square on the other side, and then

2075
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 2: at the other side you've got another green square and

2076
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 2: another green square, and then you've got a red square

2077
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 2: leading up to the pedestrian crossing, and then you've got

2078
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of white blocks, like white kind of

2079
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 2: like triangles leading like teeth, leading towards the pedestrian crossing.

2080
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 2: Then the pedestrian crossing itself is obviously made up of

2081
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 2: a series of white blocks and all of it combined.

2082
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 2: I do not know what these things. Why is the

2083
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 2: green there? Why is the red there? I get the white.

2084
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what the white triangles are. I don't

2085
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 2: no longer do I understand what is going on on

2086
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 2: road marking. So I just have no bloody idea. And

2087
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 2: I'm not old, right, I'm forty. I feel like I

2088
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 2: should understand what's going on the road, what it looks like,

2089
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 2: because do you remember it in the nineties when everybody

2090
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 2: used to have like really geometric T shirts. You know,

2091
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 2: you'd have like a squiggle and like a triangle and

2092
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 2: a block and a stick man, you know, like lightning

2093
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 2: bolts and stuff like that. Like that's what it looks like.

2094
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 2: It looks like somebody's just gone a spewed the nineties

2095
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 2: T shirt onto the road. I have no bloody idea

2096
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 2: what's going on. And when it's that confusing, that's a problem,

2097
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 2: isn't it Isn't it.

2098
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 27: Ants Sunshine of your Love by Cream to play us

2099
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 27: out tonight here? You asked me yesterday if anyone other

2100
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 27: than Asy Osborne had ever been inducted into the Rock

2101
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 27: and Roll Hall of fame more than once. It turns

2102
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,639
Speaker 27: out loads of people have. But we're playing Cream because

2103
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 27: Eric Clapton is the only guy to get in there

2104
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 27: three times three yep, yeah, four what the Yardbirds got in?

2105
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 27: He was in the Yardbirds, then Cream got in. He

2106
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 27: was in Cream, and then he got in on his

2107
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,719
Speaker 27: own solo career as well. But yeah, lots of people

2108
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:50,839
Speaker 27: have been in twice though, Jeff Beck, Dave Grohl, David Crosby,

2109
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 27: George Harrison, John Lyn. Yeah, I think all the Beatles

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01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 27: have been in their title. Michael Jackson was with the

2111
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,759
Speaker 27: Jackson five. You can sometimes forget about that one. Stevie

2112
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 27: Nexter's in there twice. On Fleetwood made once for herself,

2113
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 27: and Jimmy Page was actually in The Yardbirds before he

2114
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 27: was in led Zeppelin, so he's managed to make it

2115
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 27: in twice as well.

2116
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 2: There you go, am I the only person thinking that

2117
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 2: The Yardbirds is a bit of a random one like that.

2118
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 27: That feels like, well, I think they made music like

2119
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 27: the sixties and stuff, which was clearly very influential and

2120
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 27: sort of stuff later than then, so they might just

2121
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 27: sort of have that sort of first mover.

2122
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 2: Curve, because I would not have thought but anyway, you know,

2123
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 2: there are people smarter than me, who know more about

2124
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:27,639
Speaker 2: music than me making these decisions, and so I really

2125
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 2: appreciate the effort that you've made on that. Thank you

2126
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 2: for that.

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01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 27: I'm doing the best I try enjoy.

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Speaker 7: Bye.

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