1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Souderby's International Realty find your 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: one of a kind. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 2: Allie Jones, Red Panic, Legan Infrastructure, New Zealand on the line. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: Good evening, guys, Hello, good afternoon Allie. What did you 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: make of the PPTA thing? Do you think like there 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: are two issues? One is a child allowed to have 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: political views, and it's like, obviously yes. The other is 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: are they being misogynist or saying nasty stuff? That's another 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: issue altogether. I would have thought, what do you think? 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 3: I think we might be complicating it a little. Actually, 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 3: even after listening to your interview just then, I think 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 3: things that people have found offensive and inappropriate. I've been 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: around four years. I do agree that the social media 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 3: element really is a completely different kettle of fish from 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: when I was at school and even you were at school, Ryan. 16 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: But I do wonder whether one of the main things 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: missing these days is role modeling. You know, I kent 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: to like sponges, and so we talk about giving parents tools, 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: giving people tools. Yes, that's important, but actually I think 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 3: it's simpler monkey see monkey do who did their parents 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: use as role models? Is role modeling or lack of 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: the issue? Is that why they're going somewhere else because 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: they don't have that role modeling. And I think we 24 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 3: need to call out bad behavior more. We've become this 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 3: society where we danse lift our head above the parapet 26 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: it's a bit that we'll see, you know that we 27 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: don't actually call people out on things when they behave 28 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: badly in public. So I think there's a lot of 29 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 3: stuff like that that we can do that could make 30 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 3: a difference. 31 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: Do you think I've thoughtunate we would have gone the 32 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: other we've actually gone the other way where we are 33 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: quick to call people out, quick to cancel, quick to 34 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: publicly shame online. 35 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 4: Yes, I think that's right. I mean, I think call 36 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 4: a head that needed here. It does interest me. I 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 4: mean there are aspects to this reporting that I guess. 38 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: You know, some of what is being reported in terms 39 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: of views held by kids, you know, I find a 40 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 4: bit disturbing. There's others that I don't. But I don't 41 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: think banning or slamming or stopping is is the answer. 42 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 4: I think we need cooler heads. I mean, you know, 43 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 4: if we're talking about a particular ideological extremism showing in 44 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 4: our schools, it's often the opposite, you know, extreme that's 45 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 4: calling it out. And the truth is, in a society 46 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 4: like this, we don't need a room for both because 47 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 4: I see, I see extremism on social media from the 48 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: left and the right, and yet we only ever see 49 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 4: these things talking about right wing extremism, and so I 50 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 4: think we need to be very balanced. And you know, 51 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 4: extreme ideas, actually we should tolerate them where they don't 52 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 4: hurt and they don't interfere with other people's lives. And 53 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 4: I think the idea is this sort of we've got 54 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 4: to stop and suppress and prohibit. I agree with the 55 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 4: Free Speech Union in the sense when that happens, you 56 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 4: do drive it underground. But I think we've got to 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 4: be ready for all voices. But frankly, Ryan, I'm more 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 4: to the center, and I think that a strong center 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 4: needed and we are lacking that in socide at the 60 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: moment where we pull the best from both sides and 61 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 4: we pull it together and we get on with each 62 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 4: other even when we disagree. 63 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: Alie Jones Nick Leggan on the Huddle. 64 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global 65 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: leader in luxury. 66 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: Real estate fourteen to six Ali Jones and Nick Leggant 67 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: on Huddle tonight. Ellie, the oil and gas ban officially 68 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 2: now has been reversed. They've unfarted, if you will, and 69 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: the applications are open. They've even had an application fire 70 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: and within two hours of it opening apparently. Do you think, 71 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: like when you hear people talk about this, do you 72 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: actually believe that it will help solve the energy crunch 73 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: that we are and will be experiencing in the coming years. 74 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, how many people do know 75 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: that One of the hardest things here is that this 76 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: is where you actually have to trust people. And I 77 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: don't know whether we should trust politicians per se, but 78 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: I think we need to be really sure that we do, 79 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: in fact have a gaping hole in New Zealand's medium 80 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: term energy security. I don't know that we also need 81 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: to be sure that we need to get the sector 82 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: back to you know, work to play catch up, as 83 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: mister Jones has said, and I wish mister Jones was 84 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: still speaking in the third person, but that's for another day. 85 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: I want to be sure that the climate cost benefit 86 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: analysis has been done as well, So, like I said, 87 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: there's a lot of trust here. We do need to 88 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 3: make sure that we have security around our energy delivery 89 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: and availability. But those are questions I don't know. Nick 90 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: might know better, he's your infrastructure man. 91 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm and ask the manufacturers, right. 92 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 4: Oh exactly. I mean, look, this is about This is 93 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 4: not a long term pitch for New Zealand. It is 94 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 4: exactly as Ali said, it is about shoring us up 95 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 4: so our economy doesn't collapse and we don't force a 96 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 4: whole lot of businesses out of business because they can't transition, 97 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 4: they don't have the investment funds to transition. In the 98 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 4: short to medium term, we do have to have a 99 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 4: longer plan. We do have to actually reduce our emotions 100 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 4: and get to zero to net zero, but that is 101 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 4: going to take longer and collapsing the economy in the 102 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: short term is going to make us even further from 103 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 4: that reality. So I think this is pragmatic. I think 104 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 4: the other thing to remember here is there is a process. 105 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 4: We're not just going to rip the landscape open and 106 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 4: plunder it. There will be a process and public opinion 107 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 4: will be watching these applications very carefully, as it should 108 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 4: because we do have to guard against environmental degradation and 109 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 4: we want to balance exploiting what we have in terms 110 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: of what's on the ground to keep us going that 111 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 4: with it with environmental protection. And I don't think we're 112 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 4: throwing it out the door, but we have to be careful. 113 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 4: But what is at stake is if we don't know 114 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 4: if the lights go off in winter and we can't 115 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 4: power ourselves to keep people warm, to run industry, to 116 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 4: create food for people to eat, this country will go 117 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: down hell faster than any of us have ever could 118 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: ever imagine. And that's so what are. 119 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: We doing now? 120 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: Nick? 121 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: What this is? 122 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: The other question I want to know is it's all 123 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: very well saying that we need this as a bit 124 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: of you know, a temporary This is a we just 125 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: got to tread water for a bit while we sort 126 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: something out. Who is watching the development of what we 127 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 3: need long term recording on that the larger gen tailors, 128 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: but also a lot in the private sector looking at 129 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: both wind and solar generations. 130 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 4: It is a happening thing. And let's not forget geothermal 131 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: as well. There are you know, we've got some regulatory 132 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: challenges around alternative energy, but those I think will be 133 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 4: worked through. So I think we've got to trust both 134 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 4: the government terms of its regulation, the market in terms 135 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 4: of the capital of the expertise that can to actually 136 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 4: power us up. 137 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: So they're piling money and the gentiles into renewables at 138 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: the moment, which is hopefully going to save the day eventually. 139 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: In the meantime, Ellie, do we fly on planes? Do 140 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: we criticize? 141 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: And I was so disappointed with you on this. This 142 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: is this gotcha bs, I hate it. I mean, who 143 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: cares if she's bloody flying premium? 144 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: She screams and yells at everybody else for the oil 145 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: and gas exploration or oil and gas. 146 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe she offset the emissions. She's the leader of 147 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: a view. 148 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: But they don't like that too. They don't like that either, 149 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: because you're not hunting trees. In some foreign country. 150 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: People are only happy if people who are elected members 151 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: MP's local government. If we're wearing sackcloth and ashes, that's 152 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: the only thing that seems to make people happy. I 153 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: think we have to keep this with a reasonable perspective. 154 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: She was on a plane somewhere, for god sake, give her. 155 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: A break, he nick. The other was staying with the 156 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: airlines for a second. Ryan here apparently is banning paper 157 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: boarding passes, and I'm one of those people who I 158 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,679 Speaker 2: am desperate to get my hands on a paperboarding pass. 159 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 4: You want the security of a paper yes, No, I don't. 160 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 4: I want it on my phone, of course. I'm having 161 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 4: said that I have been at the gate before on 162 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 4: the phone just decides to stop working and so I'm 163 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 4: holding what you just you just have to step aside 164 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 4: and get your act together. 165 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: What does that mean, like go and charge your phone? 166 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 4: Well well, or just let it recover itself. But I 167 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 4: mean lot, you can prove who you are, you know, 168 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 4: if you're traveling and now you have your passed, it 169 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 4: with you I and not we can get over these challenges. 170 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's you know, we make these sort 171 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 4: of steps happen all the time. I mean, what happened 172 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 4: when the world moved away from three G. You know, 173 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 4: like we survived. People screamed, but we survived. This is 174 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 4: the you know, it's a small step and like let's 175 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 4: just let it happen and think about big I don't agree. 176 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 4: I don't agree. This is different, right going from three 177 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,359 Speaker 4: G to five G you still. 178 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 3: Had a G. Right, this is saying you don't have 179 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 3: a paper boarding pass. I use both and I've had 180 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: the same thing happen. When you get to the boarding 181 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: gate and your phone's dead, you're absolutely stuffed. Even when 182 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: I go to the movies or I go to a show, 183 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: I print those out as well, just so I've got 184 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 3: them on me. I think that Ryanie should be doing 185 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: what its customers want, and not all customers want to 186 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 3: be or can use a smartphone. For God's sake, it's 187 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: a bit of paper. They need to just suck it 188 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: up and deliver what their customers want. 189 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 2: I'm with you on that one, Ellie. Thank you. Ellie Jones. 190 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: Read pr Nick leg at Infrastruction, New Zealand on the 191 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: Huddle tonight, seven minutes away from six News Talks. Also, 192 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: if you're worried about saving a tiny piece of paper 193 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: and then getting on a plane to burn abgas, I mean, 194 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: come on, it's like a drop in the the ocean, 195 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: isn't it. 196 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 197 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: News Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 198 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,479 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.