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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story boring.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy ELM Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news Talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're going

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Speaker 3: to speak to the Leader of the House, Chris Bishop

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Speaker 3: on that delay in the Marty Party debate. Acc is

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Speaker 3: pausing its forty five million dollar sexual abuse initiative. We'll

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Speaker 3: speak to the minister and are we seeing the end

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Speaker 3: of the Gull effect on petrol prices? The AA on

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Speaker 3: that later on Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, that ended up

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Speaker 3: being a visit, didn't it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, wow, here we were We're expecting this big

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Speaker 4: debate over the Marty Party punishments to drag on for days,

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Speaker 4: if not weeks, and overshadow the budget, and the blinking

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Speaker 4: thing didn't even last an hour got postponed to next month.

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Speaker 3: What happened was actually, in retrospect, very simple and very obvious.

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Speaker 3: Just to move from the government came to the government's

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Speaker 3: turn to talk about it up Pops Chris Bishop, Leader

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Speaker 3: of the House, Hey, I it gets postponed and guess what,

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Speaker 3: it gets postponed because the government has the majority in

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Speaker 3: the House, so they simply voted for that and there

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Speaker 3: we go, clear air for the budget. Most relieved, I

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Speaker 3: would say, would be the government because it means, of

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Speaker 3: course that they do get they do get clear clear

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Speaker 3: air for the budget on Thursday. Most bummed out, I

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Speaker 3: would imagine, would be the Maori Party, who'd even gone

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Speaker 3: Court of Parliament. So basically what's happened is we'll put

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Speaker 3: weeks because of a checkmate move from Chris Bishop. But

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Speaker 3: while we've got this pause, can I just make an observation,

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Speaker 3: which is that it is quite remarkable how quickly this

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Speaker 3: has gone from being a thing about the deliberate flouting

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Speaker 3: of rules consistently by a party doing it as part

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Speaker 3: of a pr strategy, to being a thing about the

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Speaker 3: National led government using parliamentary process to banish MPs they

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Speaker 3: don't like, thereby turning us into a quote that are

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Speaker 3: in a republic. This is the kind of reportage that

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Speaker 3: I'm reading at the moment. Suspending to party Mardi MP's

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Speaker 3: threatens democracy. It is a drastic step that looks on

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Speaker 3: the face of it undemocratic. Those are two different articles.

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Speaker 3: By the way, it seems to be a theme that's emerging.

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Speaker 3: But hang on a minute here, because it is going

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Speaker 3: to take me. It's going to take a lot to

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Speaker 3: convince me that this is the case of a heavy

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Speaker 3: handed government silencing innocent dissent. Because I haven't forgotten how

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Speaker 3: we got here. I haven't forgotten that the Maori Party

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Speaker 3: planned to disrupt Parliament that day. They planned to disrupt

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Speaker 3: it that day and then they carried out that plan.

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Speaker 3: I haven't forgotten that Debingardi were pack appointed her fingers

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Speaker 3: in the shape of a gun at another MP, that

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Speaker 3: the Mahordi Party refused to turn up to the Privileges

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Speaker 3: to that the Mahori Party refused to apologize, and except

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Speaker 3: they've done anything wrong, that the Maori Party then leaked

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Speaker 3: to the recommendations of the Privileges Committee, which is against

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Speaker 3: the rules, and that the Mardi Party co leaders have

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Speaker 3: said that they will do this again, most likely with

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Speaker 3: the Regulatory Standards Bill. I haven't forgotten any of that stuff,

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Speaker 3: and has remarked remarkable to me how quickly people want

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Speaker 3: to turn this into a bad government story instead of

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Speaker 3: a bad opposition story story. And it's also remarkable to

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Speaker 3: to end up here today.

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Speaker 5: Forget do for see Ellen, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: To away in nine two nine two is the text

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Speaker 3: number standard texts fees applied. As I said, Chris Bishop

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Speaker 3: will be with us after five o'clock. Now, if you

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Speaker 3: listen to this show on the regular, you will know

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Speaker 3: that I think that the green bins need to be axed.

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Speaker 3: You know the ones I'm talking about, the little green

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Speaker 3: and particularly they need to be axed in Auckland. Good news,

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Speaker 3: So does the Auckland Ratepayers Alliance, who've launched a campaign

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Speaker 3: to get rid of them. Sam Warren is a spokesperson

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Speaker 3: with US.

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Speaker 6: Now, Hey Sam, hi, Yeah, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm very well? Thank you? Now why do you think

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Speaker 3: they need to be gone? And why do you care

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Speaker 3: about it enough to launch a campaign?

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Speaker 6: Look at this rate I don't know whether to laugh

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Speaker 6: it doesn't make sense. Economically. Auckland Council spends about thirty

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Speaker 6: six million dollars a year on the program. That's a lot,

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Speaker 6: and only of Auckland is actually use it. And even

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Speaker 6: they don't use it, why should they pay for it?

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Speaker 6: But secondly, it doesn't actually stack up from an environmental point.

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Speaker 6: The amount we're spending on the carbon reduction far less

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Speaker 6: could be spent just through ETS credits or planting trees.

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Speaker 6: So it makes no sense either way. You shake it,

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Speaker 6: we say enough because because.

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Speaker 3: What you could do right, Because at the moment, the

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Speaker 3: carbon cost, the cost for every unit of carbon that

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Speaker 3: we save by chucking it in little green bins and

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Speaker 3: then chucking it in the back of the truck, then

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Speaker 3: reperoi and blah blah blah, is costing us about fourteen

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Speaker 3: to the ETS, we could pay fifty dollars, and then

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Speaker 3: what we could do sam is we could take the

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Speaker 3: remaining thirteen hundred and fifty dollars and we could spend

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Speaker 3: it on planting trees, and we would actually be doing

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Speaker 3: better for the environment, wouldn't we than what we're doing

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Speaker 3: right now?

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Speaker 6: You would? So look, I can only suspect council have

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Speaker 6: wanted to be seen to be doing something. They want

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Speaker 6: bad planning and rate payers deserve a lot better. I

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Speaker 3: Right now, what is this business about the three million

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Speaker 3: dollars on comms and advertising? What's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I did think to ask counsel how much they've spent

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Speaker 6: promoting the program. It's actually through million and two hundred

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Speaker 6: you know, six hundred thousand for an agency to make

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Speaker 6: their concepts and everything, one point four million on paid

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Speaker 6: media all sorts. And can I just remind you only

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Speaker 6: a third of Aucklander's even used the bend.

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Speaker 3: And the thing is, there's some context for me, though, Sam,

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Speaker 3: because you know PR is not cheap. I mean you

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Speaker 3: have to pay something for us. So is that an

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Speaker 3: excessive spend?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's excessive because this whole program shouldn't exist in

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Speaker 6: known it doesn't work. And councils up and down the

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Speaker 3: What's the population of Auckland? Is it one point five

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Speaker 6: Oh? I think it's towards one point six these days.

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Speaker 3: Is it okay? So let's just go one point five

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Speaker 3: for ease. Right, So if a third of us are

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: It means that they are spending what's six dollars for

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Speaker 3: green bins, just in advertising and pr That's a dumb spend,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 6: Look I'd say, so we need smarter spending and I

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Speaker 3: Now have you heard because somebody emailed me and said

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Speaker 3: to me that eighty percent of water is going to

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 6: A few people have reached out with the same number

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Speaker 3: How is the recursor?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean these are food scraps. Obviously, it's a

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Speaker 3: You just like that's what you do, isn't it? When

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Speaker 3: you know when you're filling up your little truck buckets

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Speaker 3: let the water out. Why wouldn't they just let a

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Speaker 6: And then would say that Heather? But I think you're

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Speaker 6: giving counsel too much credit right now.

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Speaker 3: This is unbelievable. Okay, so listen, how committed to you

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Speaker 3: solid seven out of ten? Can you?

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Speaker 6: Ten?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: Look at the very least I want to see the

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Speaker 6: ability to opt out if you want to pay for it.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why you would, by all means have

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Speaker 6: to pay for it. Yeah, that's as simple as that.

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Speaker 3: Sam. Your reputation now relies on you have got to

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Speaker 3: get rid of these bins. For the Auckland rate, Payers

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Speaker 3: Alliance's reputation. Okay, I'll do my best heaven and for

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Speaker 3: Sam warren Auckland rate Payers Alliance. Those bins are gone, Heather.

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Speaker 3: I had the popcorn ready to watch the entertaining clown

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Speaker 3: What happened is I was settling in for it, so

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Speaker 3: Philly bustering, isn't he, Chippy? I can see what you

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Speaker 3: I missed all the drama. And I was gutted because

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Speaker 3: I was just settling in for it like you. Sixteen

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Speaker 3: Darcy water Grave, sports talk hosters with me, Hey, Dars,

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Speaker 3: you ain't mad, okay, sunny Bill Williams is fighting who

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Speaker 3: Paul Gallon?

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Speaker 8: Paul Gallen know the league player and in Sonny Bill's

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Speaker 8: ex league player. And they've been negotiating this since I

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Speaker 8: think I Noah was, you know, just building toy. This

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Speaker 8: that long. It's insane. They finally got the deal done,

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Speaker 8: apparently a million bucks each. It's fifty to fifty. No

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Speaker 8: turn up to the press conference after all of this time.

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Speaker 8: Why well, sunny Bill Williams is going to tell us now?

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Speaker 8: No, eight two minute rounds. This is like the Jake

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Speaker 3: How good.

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Speaker 8: That's a France doesn't flood because it's only a matter

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Speaker 8: But look, he's going to join us on the show tonight.

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Speaker 8: I don't know, I asked, I'm just like hungry and Ricky.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's mental. How good? Okay, Darcy, thank you, Darcy Watergrove.

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Speaker 1: Evening, moving the big stories of the day forward. It's

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy on Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get

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Speaker 3: You're missing a major point. Luxon said National would not compromise.

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Speaker 3: it's a very clever and yet magnanimous move by National.

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Speaker 3: Zero surprise Hipkins could not see that and went for

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Speaker 3: And then when Chippy jumped up was the first speaker,

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Speaker 3: And then Chris Hapkins jumped up and said, all right,

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Speaker 3: just opposing everything type move here anyway, we'll talk to

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Speaker 3: It's full twenty five now. Winston Peter's got heckled today.

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Speaker 3: He was making because he had a big budget announcement.

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Speaker 3: And this is the risk when you just stand there

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Speaker 3: Chap walks up, starts heckling. He says, load of bollocks, Winston.

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Speaker 3: And Winston says, what you look like, bollocks. This is,

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Speaker 3: Load of bollocks, Winston, what you look like bollocks? Go

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Speaker 3: And the guy said, what are you naf off? Honestly,

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Speaker 3: And the guy said, no, one wants to see you.

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Speaker 3: And then the guy said, you bloody lick Trump's bumhole.

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Speaker 3: Get out of here. And then Winston said ha ha,

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Speaker 3: And then the guy said get out of here. And

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Speaker 3: then Winston said, you get lost. That's actually what happened.

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Speaker 3: I know you're like nice, made that up. I swear

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Speaker 3: to God that is how it went down. These men,

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Speaker 3: them anyway, naughty step for both of them. Do you agree? Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: If Mummy was there, I'd be like, I'm separating the

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Speaker 3: two of you. Winston. You go sit on the train

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Speaker 3: because it's where you like to go. And you go

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Speaker 1: Steps, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 10: They'd be if this whirl were mud.

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Speaker 5: Ramon or seven.

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Speaker 2: If if there's rolls amusing Heather read the green bins

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Speaker 2: where you asleep at school, everything is mostly water, humans, vegetables, meat, food.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, Bill, I know that I wasn't actually that asleep.

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Speaker 3: But surely if you go listen, surely if you're going

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Speaker 3: to put all the green stuff, there's food scraps in

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Speaker 3: gonna take it all down to reperoi. If eighty percent

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Speaker 3: class in science class where you learned about like volume

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Speaker 3: and how if you remove some volume you can replace

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Speaker 3: get a little hose, just sh all that water as

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Speaker 3: You don't need that. You don't need to take that

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Speaker 3: to Repaioa. They've got water and Repioa. It's New Zealand

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Speaker 3: got lots of water. So let that dirty water as

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Speaker 3: a bit stinky, get rid of it. And then guess

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Speaker 3: what when eighty percent of it is out because it's water.

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Speaker 3: You can put more food scraps in, can't you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: who thinks it's a good idea to ship water to REPAIOA.

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Speaker 3: That's nuts, isn't it. Anyway, We'll talk about that later

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Speaker 3: on with a huddle, because I am not going to

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Speaker 3: let up any opportunity to just run these green bins

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Speaker 3: down until we get rid of them. Deal with politics

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Speaker 3: very shortly and murri Old's out of Australia soon twenty

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Speaker 3: three away from five.

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Speaker 5: It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: Australia's coalition has split. The National Party has announced it

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Speaker 10: This is a principal position.

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Speaker 13: We come here not wanting to have to scrap over

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Speaker 13: what we deserve, what is fair, and this is on principle.

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Speaker 13: It might seem foreign to many in Canberra, but this

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Speaker 3: And what a novel idea. Donald Trump has called for

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Speaker 3: direct Russia Ukraine talks to end the war that'll do it.

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Speaker 3: US will distance itself from negotiations if there's no progress soon.

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Speaker 3: Something we've not heard before.

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Speaker 10: Big egos involved.

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Speaker 5: I tell you, big egos involved.

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Speaker 12: But I think something's going to happen, and if it doesn't,

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Speaker 12: I just back away and they're going to have to

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Speaker 12: keep going up.

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Speaker 3: And finally, right, who is on the store? A marble

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Speaker 3: bust of Jim Morrison, who's the lead singer of The Doors,

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Speaker 3: has been found nearly forty years after it went missing.

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Speaker 3: So it was put at Morrison's grave in Paris in

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind.

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Speaker 5: For New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Murray Old's Ossie correspondents for Basse Muz there ay a

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Speaker 14: Well, that's a bit of the case of the tail

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Speaker 14: The coalition agreement which has survived in its current form,

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Speaker 14: hung under all our seats, you clouds. The Liberal Party

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Speaker 14: I guess what we've done pretty well. We want more

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Speaker 14: representation on the Shadow ministry front bench. We want some

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Speaker 14: of our policies to be drafted in as coalition policy, namely,

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Speaker 14: for example, met zero, scrap that by twenty fifty. And

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Speaker 14: by the way, we really love nuclear reactors. Well, Susan

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Speaker 14: Lee said, excuse me, there's the door. Don't let it

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Speaker 14: bang on the bum on the way out. So David

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Speaker 14: little browd stood up there like a bantam rooster going

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Speaker 14: cluck cluck, cluck, cluck cluck. I mean, he's just there.

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Speaker 14: He's been plucked, he's got no feathers to fly with,

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Speaker 14: and he's got his bully bully boys and girls behind him.

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Speaker 14: It's just a farce. It's a complete fast. I think

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Speaker 14: both sides are forgetting that neither can govern without the other.

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Speaker 14: I mean that's just the bald facts of political life

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Speaker 14: over here. So the sooner they get back in bed,

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Speaker 14: the better.

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Speaker 3: How do you see what the RBA has done, Yeah.

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Speaker 14: They have. It's the below US has been now the

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Speaker 14: official cash rate in Australia for two years, since May

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Speaker 14: twenty twenty three. It's the second cup this year by

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Speaker 14: the Reserve Bank of Australia. The cash rate now the

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Speaker 14: official interest rate in the country is now three point

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Speaker 14: eight five percent. Every economist was tipping it was going

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Speaker 14: to be exactly that. Very welcome news obviously for Australian

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Speaker 14: mortgage holders and for the government which wants to get

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Speaker 14: the economy moving along while keeping a decent a tight

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Speaker 14: rein on inflation. There are factors that play as well

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Speaker 14: that would have been factored in by the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 14: and the governor. You've got things, you know, the American

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Speaker 14: China uphevial, what's you know, the global trade situation, what's

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Speaker 14: that going to be like? And they're also the interest

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Speaker 14: rate on ten year government debt in the United States

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Speaker 14: that's rising four percent a minute ago now four and

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Speaker 14: a half. How is that going to impact world trade

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Speaker 14: and the world economy. So there are many many balls

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Speaker 14: up in the air over here, but suffice to say

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Speaker 14: it's a modest cup. If you've got a standard mortgage

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Speaker 14: and great optics for the.

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Speaker 3: Government, How stokes do you reckon elbow? Is that the

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Speaker 3: Pope has blessed as.

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Speaker 14: Beads only a lot those that rosary belonged to his mum.

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Speaker 14: Oh is it and oh yeah, and I mean his mum,

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Speaker 14: Mary Anne, a lifetime Catholic, very devout. I'm I'm sure

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Speaker 14: young Elbow was all that devout. He was raised by

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Speaker 14: his mom, as we all know, in a government in

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Speaker 14: a state, a state government flat in Sydney, and for

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Speaker 14: him to be there not only the papal the first

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Speaker 14: papal mass with Pope Leo, but then to be granted

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Speaker 14: a private audience that wasn't given to every world leader,

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Speaker 14: and then to have the hutzpah or you know, the

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Speaker 14: humility to say, listen, while I'm with you, these are

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Speaker 14: my mum's rosary beads. Would you bless them for me?

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Speaker 6: Please?

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Speaker 14: And the Pope, being the good sort of guy that

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Speaker 14: he is, he said, of course, and so he's blessed them.

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Speaker 14: So I'm sure Anthony Eldenezy, the Australian Prime Minister, is

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Speaker 14: very very happy.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, I bet he's absolutely thrilled. He thank you mothers always.

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Speaker 3: It's Murray Old's our Australia correspondent. Now, for the longest time,

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Speaker 3: the cheapest petrol in New Zealand has been at gull

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Speaker 3: In Asiamuri. That's if you wanted to go and get

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Speaker 3: yourself real cheap petrol. You went there, you went to Gull.

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Speaker 3: Now apparently it is no longer the cheapest petrol in

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Speaker 3: the country. That place is now you go in Waikaraka,

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Speaker 3: waik Iaka in Auckland. Now, first of all, didn't know

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Speaker 3: that there's such a thing as you go, So that's

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Speaker 3: something that you learned today. But you'll that you go

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Speaker 3: and why Korak is the place you need to go to. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: it turns out this is not just I'll go there

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Speaker 3: instead of their kind of piece of information. It is

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Speaker 3: also a piece of information about the fact that Goal.

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Speaker 3: We talked about the gal effect and how if Goal

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Speaker 3: moved into a place, everybody else's petrol prices came down

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Speaker 3: to match. There's no such thing as the Gull effect anymore.

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Speaker 3: It has lost that what's going on. Terry Collins of

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Speaker 3: the AA is going to be with us in about

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Speaker 3: half an hour and explain it to us. Seventeen away from.

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Speaker 3: Jason Wall's political editors with us. Now, Hey, Jason, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: That was a fizzle, wasn't it.

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Speaker 15: Well, I don't think it was I was surprising, but

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Speaker 15: it was still like interestingly interesting enough for it to

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Speaker 15: be not a fizzer in my book, a fizzer and

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Speaker 15: in the sense that we didn't have an agreement, but

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Speaker 15: what we did have was just confusion out of everywhere

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Speaker 15: in the house and it kind of came out of

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Speaker 15: nowhere when Chris Bishop said this.

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Speaker 16: Horrible Chris Bishop, I moved that this debate be now

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Speaker 16: a June to Thursday, five June twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 15: So we were taking a bit back by this because

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Speaker 15: we've been talking to national MPs and ministers all day

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Speaker 15: right on Tuesday. We have ample opportunity to talk to

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Speaker 15: all of them, and this has been the talk of

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Speaker 15: the town. Not one of them even hinted that this

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Speaker 15: would be the move. And you can actually hear the

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Speaker 15: shock in the background from the lakes of Chris Hepkins

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Speaker 15: and other members of the opposition. And it was remarkable

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Speaker 15: to watch because there was no public gallery. The press

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Speaker 15: gallery was the fullest I've seen it since probably John

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Speaker 15: Keyes Valedictory, and we all kind of looked around and thought,

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Speaker 15: what is going on here? Even the speaker was caught

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Speaker 15: a bit off.

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Speaker 17: God, well, I will see some degree of specififty about

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Speaker 17: the reason for the view Gureman the motion.

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Speaker 16: Mister Speaker, the government has come to the view that

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Speaker 16: given the centrality of the budget process to Parliament, it

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Speaker 16: would be appropriate for the party mary members who may

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Speaker 16: or may not be suspended following the conclusion of the

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Speaker 16: consideration of the substantive motion, to participate in the budget.

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Speaker 15: So now we have to wait until June fifth, and

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Speaker 15: that's after the budget, of course. And you know what

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Speaker 15: I mean, Looking at this objectively, right, it does make sense,

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Speaker 15: like I agree with what's happened. The budget is extremely important.

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Speaker 15: It makes sense that the government is using its time

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Speaker 15: this week to talk about that. But it was still

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Speaker 15: really came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: Did Chris Hopkins and the Labor Party vote against the adjournment?

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Speaker 15: They did, And I was just speaking to Chris Hopkins,

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Speaker 15: he was in the Gallery office not too long ago,

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Speaker 15: about this issue, and essentially he was saying, well, it

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Speaker 15: was such a like it was a circus, I think

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Speaker 15: was the word that he used in terms of nobody

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Speaker 15: knew what was going on. But here's what he told

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Speaker 15: reporters after this whole thing went down in the House.

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Speaker 18: Moving these allegations against the Marti Party, and they're not

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Speaker 18: even allowing them the opportunity to speak or defend themselves.

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Speaker 18: Doing that without warning. Had they approached us this morning

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Speaker 18: and said, look, we wanted to furthest debate, we want

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Speaker 18: to put it off till later on, we would have

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Speaker 18: been open to having that conversation. We've been trying to

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Speaker 18: talk to them for the last forty eight hours. They

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Speaker 18: have any bothered to return phone calls, and then they

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Speaker 18: do this. They just look like they're out of their depth.

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Speaker 18: I don't know what they're doing.

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Speaker 15: So if they've gone to the opposition beforehand and talk

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Speaker 15: them through with this, then no doubt that they would

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Speaker 15: have supported it, because if you look at it objectively,

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Speaker 15: it would make sense for the opposition to vote for

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Speaker 15: this because this is essentially what many of them have

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Speaker 15: been arguing this whole time.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, which is why I'm asking. So he gets up,

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Speaker 3: this is Chris Hopkins gets up and says, we don't

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Speaker 3: want them to be punished like this because we think

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Speaker 3: they need to participate in the budget. Chris Hipkins, Chris

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Speaker 3: Chris Bishop gets up and goes, Okay, let's defer it

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Speaker 3: so they can participate in the budget, and then Chris

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Speaker 3: Hopkins goes, no, we don't support that. I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: what is your position? Well, it seems to me he's

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Speaker 3: just being contrary and opposing anything that the government wants

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Speaker 3: to do.

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Speaker 15: It has been incredibly confusing to kind of pin down

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Speaker 15: their position, but it seems to be just because of

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Speaker 15: the confusion, and they frankly not really know what was

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Speaker 15: actually going on. I mean, it was that even the

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Speaker 15: speaker you heard before was having a little bit It

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Speaker 15: appeared to be the speaker was how did you know

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Speaker 15: of trouble?

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Speaker 3: How did nobody and I include myself and this, How

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Speaker 3: did none of us think that this was probably this is,

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Speaker 3: in retrospect, such an obvious thing for the government to do.

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Speaker 10: Oh no, we did.

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Speaker 15: We were asking them as early as this morning if

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Speaker 15: this is something that they were going to do, and

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Speaker 15: there was just so noncommittal in terms of their answers

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Speaker 15: to these questions that we have that we just didn't

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Speaker 15: even concede that this would be an issue. Like we

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Speaker 15: were asking these questions because we thought, hang on a second,

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Speaker 15: why don't you just defer the debate? And so I

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Speaker 15: don't know what happened in their caucus meeting this morning.

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Speaker 15: We know that Labor softened its position. Labor Chris Hepkins

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Speaker 15: was saying that they were going to move a motion

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Speaker 15: for the suspension to be one to three days, and

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Speaker 15: then in the House Chris Hepkins was talking about it

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Speaker 15: being for twenty four hours. So a lot to be

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Speaker 15: a fly on the wall of any caucus room this morning.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, I expect that the Maori Party

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Speaker 3: the most bummed out of everybody in Parliament because they

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Speaker 3: had the old protest out the front and everything going on.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard from them?

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Speaker 15: We have. Indeed, this was Debbie who was speaking just

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Speaker 15: a few moments ago.

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Speaker 3: We never knew what games they were going to play,

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Speaker 3: but you know you're a threat when they start like

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Speaker 3: super chess.

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Speaker 15: And I don't know how.

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Speaker 3: Many from here are from the NOO, but the Tarauky

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Speaker 3: we take pride and our civil disobedience.

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Speaker 15: So they're a little confused as well because they didn't

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Speaker 15: see this coming. And he waited.

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Speaker 17: He what we saw today makes me feel like I'm

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Speaker 17: on remind.

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Speaker 15: So essentially just sort of waiting for the punishment.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, and how's Brownlee feeling?

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Speaker 15: Oh listen, I'm not sure how Joey Brownlee is feeling.

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Speaker 15: I think that he's probably you know, what did.

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Speaker 3: His face say at that very minute, because unfortunately, as

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Speaker 3: I faced up earlier, I was on the phone when

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Speaker 3: this happened. You and adult tell me what happened to

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Speaker 3: his face?

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Speaker 15: I will will We sit directly above Jerry Browne and

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Speaker 15: we were looking at the faces of the MP. I

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Speaker 15: should have turned around and looked at the TV. But yeah, no,

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Speaker 15: I'm sure he was. Maybe maybe he's confused as all

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Speaker 15: of us. I'd love to know if he was in

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Speaker 15: on this, because it certainly seemed like maybe he wasn't

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Speaker 15: based on the question yeah.

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Speaker 3: Over savents judging by that, the tripping over the words

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Speaker 3: and everything. No, not in on it at all. Jason,

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much. Jason Wall's News Talk z B political

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Speaker 3: editor nine away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 19: More money for rail. This is the budget six hundred

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Speaker 19: million dollars. A lot of money, isn't it, Transport Minister

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Speaker 19: Chris Bishop with US six hundred million dollars, Where on

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Speaker 19: earth are you guys finding all this? My increasing concern

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Speaker 19: around all these announcements. Is somebody's borrowing money. Tell me

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Speaker 19: you're not borrowing yet more money?

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Speaker 20: Well, that the government is borrowing, I know that, but

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Speaker 20: more on what we already know about this is my concern.

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Speaker 20: All of the announcements you guys have made so far

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Speaker 20: equate to billions of dollars. Now, either you've found fantastic savings, brilliant,

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Speaker 20: well done, congratulations, or you're borrowing more.

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Speaker 16: We are borrowing, but we are delivering significant savings in

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Speaker 16: the budget that you'll see on Thursday.

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Speaker 19: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 19: a Veda News talk zb.

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Speaker 3: Here the why should the government telegraph what they're going

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Speaker 3: to do to such a naive journalist's government? One press

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Speaker 3: galery zero. I mean, it's a fair point, right, there's

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Speaker 3: there's no ptigation. And also you could take that further

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Speaker 3: and say, why should the government telegraph what they're going

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Speaker 3: to do to Chris Hopkins? Because it's not as if

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Speaker 3: Chris Hopkins is going to be using it to help

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Speaker 3: the government, is he he is the leader of the opposition,

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Speaker 3: he's going to use it against the government. So probably

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Speaker 3: I would agree with the text that came in and

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Speaker 3: said well played National anyway, Chris Bishop is going to

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Speaker 3: be with us after five o'clock talk us through that.

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Speaker 3: By the way. Okay, so I don't actually get to

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Speaker 3: watch that much question Time anymore because unfortunately it Question

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Speaker 3: Time kacks off at two in the afternoon, and that

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Speaker 3: is generally the time when we are pretty full on

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Speaker 3: getting ready for the show and making sure that we've

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Speaker 3: got everything ready to be able to tell you what

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Speaker 3: you need to know. And so as a result, I

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Speaker 3: get to miss it. But I had to tune in

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Speaker 3: today because this is obviously going to be central to

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Speaker 3: what we're doing. Caught the very very tail end of

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Speaker 3: question Time as we're waiting for this thing to kick off,

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Speaker 3: and you know what, this talk of the standards of

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Speaker 3: question time slipping. I mean, I caught, honestly about I

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Speaker 3: reckon in the space of about two or three minutes

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Speaker 3: what I saw, maybe it was five, let's be generous

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Speaker 3: and honest here. I watched for about five minutes, and

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Speaker 3: I was like, what the hell is going on in

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Speaker 3: this place? It was pretty wild, like low level wild,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, just that wasn't what it used

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Speaker 3: to be. For a start. When he p got himself

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Speaker 3: kicked out. Not even a big deal. Now it's just

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Speaker 3: like low level just now, don't you go?

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Speaker 21: Would be modification if every Thursday I went down and

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Speaker 21: got myself a sundown.

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Speaker 17: No, not going to do that. That is one of

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Speaker 17: those questions where I made the point before to the

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Speaker 17: audible care of Macnalti. At some point some minister is

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Speaker 17: going to overstep and take an early afternoon. So I

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Speaker 17: suggest that the ride on Winston Peters remove himself from

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Speaker 17: the house.

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Speaker 3: Now off he goes. Now I think that he was

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Speaker 3: looking at Debbie. I think I think he's suggesting Debbie

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Speaker 3: gets herself a suntan on the regular. Anyway, it's pretty

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Speaker 3: clear the Maori Party still has absolutely no idea how

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Speaker 3: to do parliament. This is Debbie a new point of order.

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Speaker 17: You better be a new point of order.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I think it is.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know that real instills a lot of confidence making.

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Speaker 3: Oh think it is. And then Chloe asks a question

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Speaker 3: of Chris Luxen obviously about the climate, because what else

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Speaker 3: and he answers it and have a listened to her.

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Speaker 23: Well, as the member knows, we have an emissions reduction

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Speaker 23: planned one and two.

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Speaker 10: They are on track to deliver our.

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Speaker 11: Oh but.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, control those emotions, Julie and Jenter. Jeez hallelujah. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: so as a result of that, look, I just strongly

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Speaker 3: urge you to you know you can, you can watch.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry about missing out on today's fun. Just tune

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Speaker 3: in tomorrow at question time, get yourself your popcorn and

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Speaker 3: just watch everybody misbehave. It's a lot of bad behavior

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Speaker 3: going on. Anyway, listen, Chris Bishop, as I say, is

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Speaker 3: with us. And then after that we're gonna have a

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Speaker 3: chat to the ACC. Minister. ACC has pulled or paused

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Speaker 3: some this campaign that they're rolling out on sexual abuse.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it might be tied to the fact

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Speaker 3: that they're going to dump the They're going to basically

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Speaker 3: shed responsibility for the sexual abuse claims. We'll get you

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Speaker 3: across all of that, and then petrol prices talks.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Dupussy on Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 5: There'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. In a surprise move, the much anticipated debates

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Speaker 3: about whether or not to suspend the three Malori Party

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Speaker 3: MPs has been postponed. The Leader of the House Chris Bishop,

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Speaker 3: called for the debate to be delayed.

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Speaker 16: There is no more important role for Parliament than scrutinizing

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Speaker 16: and debating the budget. It is a confidence motion by

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Speaker 16: definition in the government. The government cannot govern without the

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Speaker 16: approval of the Parliament. Constitutionally, it is right that they participate,

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Speaker 16: so we moving to adjourned the debate so that this

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Speaker 16: week can focus rightly on the budget.

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Speaker 3: The motion passed, but Opposition Leader Chris Hipkins didn't like

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Speaker 3: that either.

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Speaker 18: Had they approached us this morning and said, look, we

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Speaker 18: wanted to further debate, we want to put it off

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Speaker 18: un till later on, we would have been open to

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Speaker 18: having that conversation. We've been trying to talk to them

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Speaker 18: for the last forty eight hours. They haven't even bothered

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Speaker 18: to return phone calls, and then they do this. They

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Speaker 18: just look like they're out of their debt. I don't

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Speaker 18: know what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: And Chris Bishop is with us right now. Hi Bish, Hello,

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Speaker 3: are you playing super chess?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 16: I think we're doing the right thing. In principle, people

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Speaker 16: should be able to vote on the budget. There's no

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Speaker 16: more important role for parliament than voting on the budget,

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Speaker 16: but also we want this week to be about the

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Speaker 16: budget and the important moves that we're making to get

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Speaker 16: fiscal discipline back and grow the economy, and we don't

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Speaker 16: want it to sidetracked by distractions. So that's what we've

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Speaker 16: adjourned the debate. So ultimately Parliament will deal with the

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Speaker 16: report of the Privileged Committee and to the Party marimps

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Speaker 16: that would have to do it in a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 16: not today.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of Chris Hipkins's complained that you

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Speaker 3: didn't tell him what you were doing earlier.

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Speaker 16: Well, I'm not obliged to tell Chris Hipkins what we're

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Speaker 16: up to. I mean, the Parliament ultimately has voted to

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Speaker 16: adjourn the debate and that's what we're doing. So there'll

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Speaker 16: be many a chance for people to have their say

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Speaker 16: on the appropriate punishment in a couple of weeks. As

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Speaker 16: it stands, the Government is in favor of the report

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Speaker 16: of the Committee, which proposes twenty one days punishment. We

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Speaker 16: think what the Married Party MPs did was wrong and

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Speaker 16: they deserve sanction for that and will be voting in

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Speaker 16: favor of it, and it ultimately it's over to the

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Speaker 16: opposition what they decide to do all right.

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Speaker 3: So no compromise. The entire National Party is going to

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Speaker 3: vote for twenty one days.

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Speaker 16: Yes, and things would be different if the Maria or

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Speaker 16: might be different if the Married Party showed any contrition whatsoever.

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Speaker 16: But you've got to remember they haven't turned up to

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Speaker 16: the committee. They've never apologized. They basically don't recognize the

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Speaker 16: jurisdiction of the Privileges Committee. They don't accept what they

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Speaker 16: did was wrong, and they need to realize that the

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Speaker 16: rules apply to them in the same way they apply

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Speaker 16: to me and every other MP. You can't walk over

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Speaker 16: to someone in the middle of it vote in the

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Speaker 16: House and do a haka in an intimidating way, point

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Speaker 16: a fake gun at another Member of Parliament, which is

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Speaker 16: what they did. It's wrong.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: Kieren mcinoalty of the Labour Party has been going around

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Speaker 3: saying that there are people in the National Party, MPs

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Speaker 3: in the National Party who are very uncomfortable about this

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Speaker 3: and don't think that the twenty one day punishment is right.

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Speaker 3: Have you spoken to everybody?

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Speaker 16: Well, that's completely wrong and there are plenty of Labor

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Speaker 16: Party MPs who want him to be the leader and

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Speaker 16: don't Wan Chris Hipkins to be the leader too, But

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Speaker 16: I don't go around spreading rumors like that.

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Speaker 3: You know, what do you make of the fact that

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Speaker 3: we've got ourselves in this situation in the first place,

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Speaker 3: having this unbelievably long, potentially long fullybusted debate. Are you

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Speaker 3: surprised that the Speaker has made this ruling?

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Speaker 16: Well, the standing orders provide for a debate to take

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Speaker 16: place in relation to privileges committee matters. There's not a

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Speaker 16: lot Speaker can do about that, so that the debate

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Speaker 16: is the debate.

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Speaker 3: Is it not the case that the Speaker can sit

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Speaker 3: down with the committee, the Business of the House Committee

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Speaker 3: and decide it's going to be a two hour debate

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Speaker 3: and just limited to that.

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Speaker 16: He could do that, but there's no way. I mean,

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Speaker 16: I'd be in favor of that, but there's no way

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Speaker 16: the opposition would agree to that. That That is something

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Speaker 16: that requires concee across the Parliament.

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Speaker 3: So I suspect did.

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Speaker 16: No, it hasn't come through.

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Speaker 3: So this was a decision taken unilaterally by the Speaker.

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Speaker 16: Well, it's just he's just giving effect to the standing orders.

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Speaker 16: The standing orders provides for there to be a debate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he had options didn't, he Bish.

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Speaker 16: Well, everyone's got options. I mean, I'd be in favor

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Speaker 16: of a two hour debate or a time limited debate

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Speaker 16: because you just need a chance to ventilate the issues

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Speaker 16: and have a say on it.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I don't think I I know that

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Speaker 3: you are bound by convention and you cannot criticize the speaker.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not asking you to criticize the speaker. I

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Speaker 3: am just saying the speaker had options here. It didn't

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Speaker 3: have to play out like this. Are you surprised that

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Speaker 3: it did?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 16: I'm disappointed that we are where we are, but mostly

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Speaker 16: I'm disappointed in the way the married party has behaved.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Bish, thanks very much, really appreciate your time. That's

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Speaker 3: Chris Bishop, the Leader of the House. Ever Dullen, ACC

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Speaker 3: has pressed pause on a forty five million dollar sexual

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Speaker 3: violence prevention campaign, which has only been running since September. Now,

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Speaker 3: this is only days after the ACC Minister suggested that

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Speaker 3: ACC might shed its responsibility for aims from sexual abuse

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Speaker 3: victims and the ACC Minister of Scotsinson hay Scott. Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 3: are they are these two things connected? Are they pausing

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Speaker 3: this campaign because you may actually shed the responsibility for

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Speaker 3: the claims.

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Speaker 21: No, not connected at all, and there's no intention to

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Speaker 21: shared responsibility. But ACC's an independent Crown entity, as I

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Speaker 21: think we all know. All they've done is just pause

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Speaker 21: this program while they have a look at it, evaluate

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Speaker 21: it and make sure that they're getting the best results

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Speaker 21: for the victims of sexual violence. That's probably a good

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Speaker 21: thing for them to do, to make sure that the

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Speaker 21: program's working.

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Speaker 3: Did you not say last week though, on Friday, that

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Speaker 3: the government could make changes that would mean ACC would

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Speaker 3: not need to pay those claims.

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Speaker 21: No, different matter completely. This is a program that ACC has,

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Speaker 21: as in its own independent way, decided to pause and

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Speaker 21: have a look at to see whether it is being

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Speaker 21: effective or not.

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Speaker 3: No, I know, mat So you said ACC is not

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Speaker 3: shedding responsibility. Did you not say on Friday that it

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Speaker 3: may in fact shed responsibility.

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Speaker 21: No, I did not. What I said was that there

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Speaker 21: have been a number of court cases that extend the

871
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 21: range of expectations that ACC is meant to provide. So ACC,

872
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 21: I just want to assure you and listeners, Heather, that

873
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 21: ACC will always be available to support victims of sexual violence,

874
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 21: and there's no consideration of any proposals otherwise, all.

875
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: Right, Scott, thank you very much, Scott Simpson, ACC Minister,

876
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: I just I'm just going to read this to UK.

877
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: On Friday, Scott Simpson told the Post that it was

878
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: a live and current question as to whether the government

879
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: might make changes that meant claims that arose from the

880
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: Court of Appeal ruling, which is about sexual abuse weren't

881
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: funded through ACC. Quote. What I'm saying is perhaps we

882
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: need to have a conversation as a nation about what

883
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: is the best vehicle to provide that care, support and

884
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: assistance and whether it's ACC that to end quote that

885
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: to me sounds like he has raised the possibility and

886
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: suggested that ACC might in fact shed it. Just the

887
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 3: opposite of what he just told us. I'm all right, Heather,

888
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: do for see Allen here the why are they giving

889
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: into the bullies in parliament? Very weak this from Sarah here.

890
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: The National must have known this before. Why the hell

891
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: did they allow today? And then five units laughable and

892
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: starting no no, no, no, no, okay for Chris. So

893
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: what's going on right now is people are angry on

894
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: the text machine that National has adjourned this instead of

895
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 3: dealing with this right here and right now. Let me

896
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: be clear with you, okay, dealing with this right now.

897
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: It was very clear. So the Green's are going to filibuster.

898
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: They're going to drag this on for days, if not weeks.

899
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: The Mardi Party are going to filibuster, potentially drag it

900
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 3: on for days if not weeks, and Labour said they

901
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: weren't going to filibuster, but they started to filibuster with

902
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: Chris Hopkins's speech. So if that's what national we're facing,

903
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: that's what the government was facing, was that this debate

904
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: was going to go on. You're going to have protest outside,

905
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: you're going to have the gallery close, all these shenanigans

906
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: going on while they're trying to do the budget. They haven't.

907
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: It's not a case of not punishing the people who

908
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: need to be punished for bad behavior. It's simply laying

909
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: it to a better time. And anybody who knows as

910
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: a parent knows, sometimes you don't need to discipline the

911
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 3: child right there. She need to give them that look,

912
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 3: be like I'm going to deal with you later after

913
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: I've cooked the dinner. That's all they've done quarter past

914
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: the text of rolling in on the old punishment. We'll

915
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 3: get back to that. It's eighteen past five. Now listen

916
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: on petrol for a long time. If you want us

917
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: to find cheap petrol where you need it to go,

918
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: is Goal in Atsa yamuri. But not anymore. And now

919
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: there's talk that the old Gull effect in totality might

920
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: be over, and their prices are only about two and

921
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: a half cents cheaper than the national national average. Now.

922
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: Terry Collins is AA's principal policy adviser on this.

923
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 12: Hey, Terry, what has.

924
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 3: Happened is is this just a one off thing or

925
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: is Goal genuinely not an outlier anymore?

926
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 12: No, Gal, I've done such a good thing that encourage

927
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 12: all the other independence to join them. So now instead

928
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 12: of having the Gal effect, we've really got the independence effect.

929
00:41:53,880 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 12: So we've had Waitomo, IMPD and others join them. You

930
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 12: on owned companies because of the business model, which is

931
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 12: a low cost entry. You only have to have the

932
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 12: land or the place to have the service station. You've

933
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 12: got electronic payment options now available, so you don't need

934
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Speaker 12: any staff, and you've got the fuel there, so that

935
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 12: means you can provide fuel very cheaply and the margins

936
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 12: very small. And it's been such a good business model

937
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 12: that all the other independents are joining them.

938
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: So has Goal put up its prices or is it

939
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: still holding the line?

940
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 12: Now it's still holding the line. That's now just a

941
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 12: group of them operating the room into interesting. Gold used

942
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 12: to be owned by a company called Ampole, who now

943
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 12: bought Z and Z of now putting you go another

944
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 12: low cost model.

945
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: So Z is you go from Z?

946
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 12: Yeah? Yeah, and that's it's owned by Ampole, And Ampole

947
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 12: had to sell Gold to buy Z because they would

948
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 12: have had more than fifty percent of the market share.

949
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 12: So it's really interesting how I mean I put it

950
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 12: this way. I think when Gold came and they took

951
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 12: the service out of service station and made itself service,

952
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 12: we've still got those type of two distinct business models

953
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 12: now self service, MPDS, Y TOURMO Allied, and then you've

954
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 12: got and Goal, and then you've got new Goo sorry,

955
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 12: and then you've got saw your Mobile BP and all

956
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 12: the other ends hid all competing offerings.

957
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: Where do you fill up terry?

958
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 12: I always get the cheapest one on a rare events,

959
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 12: which I do. I went to a gall and Meta

960
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 12: Matter a couple of weeks ago that actually had the

961
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 12: cheapest fuel, and I got a cup of coffee and

962
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 12: a sandwich. That was my perfect trisector. And so I

963
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 12: went there and got a bleeder of dining one. I

964
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 12: think it was two dollars study seven, but I just

965
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 12: looked whenever I look on it, I look at Gaspy.

966
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 12: We were Duny's going to be and go right, that's

967
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 12: the cheapest one around. I'll buy some unless I think

968
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 12: it's going to be cheaper next week. I usually fill

969
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 12: up brilliant.

970
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 3: Terry, Thank you very much. Terry Collins, a principal policy advisor.

971
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: Do you know what this is? What I would give

972
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: you my tips, Not that I'm like an expert or anything,

973
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: but you know it's crowd sourcing this information, isn't it? Marramura.

974
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: On the way to the Coramandal, there's I don't know

975
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: what it is. Is it a goal? Is it a

976
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: self It's some sort of a self service outfit. It's

977
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 3: next to the Red Fox tavern where those murders happened

978
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: all those years ago. You know what I'm talking about.

979
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,479
Speaker 3: When you get into the Coromandulans on the left, Yeah,

980
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about. It's that one right there.

981
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: Also by the war Memorial statue thing that one that's

982
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: always super cheap. It's really cheap. In fact, it's even

983
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: cheaper than over the mountain most of the time. And

984
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: then if you're in Auckland City where you want to

985
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 3: be going, like, if you're in the city city where

986
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: you want to be going, is the Newton Gully? You

987
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: know that one in Newton Gully? Is that also a

988
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: Caltech self service? Is it a Caltech? It's also a

989
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: Caltech self service? So he goes the self service ones. Anyway,

990
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: those are the two hot spots. Those are my go

991
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 3: tos if I have to go to one of the

992
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: other ones. Don't even don't even talk about the VP

993
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: on two voice road. But my husband could talk to

994
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 3: you for five minutes about those prices, says very. It's

995
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: got to be in his bonnet. And I don't even

996
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: care about petrol prices. I just do it to keep

997
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: him calm. Five twenty one.

998
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: Informed side into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive

999
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd

1000
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: be oh.

1001
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: The news and Gallic Celtics newsion. Gali Celtics has been

1002
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 3: brought by something. Maybe you go well, you go super cheap,

1003
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: so I'm going to be very happy about that. Five

1004
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: twenty four. Now, look, I think Labour should use this

1005
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 3: delay in the Maori Party punishment to have a long

1006
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: heart think about what side of this debate they actually

1007
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: want to be on, because right now they are on

1008
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: the side of the Maori Party by the looks of things,

1009
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: because they're going out of their way, aren't they to

1010
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 3: defend the Mardi Party. Now, Labor is going to take

1011
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: issue with that statement from me. They will say that

1012
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: they're being more nuanced than that, and to some extent

1013
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: that is absolutely true. But let me tell you something.

1014
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: Nuance gets lost in a debate like this that has

1015
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: this many twists and turns, and as Debbie says, super

1016
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: chess is being played. Ultimately Labor is simply going to

1017
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: look like they are on the side of the Mardi Party,

1018
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 3: and being on the side of the Marti Party right

1019
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: now means being on the side of bad behavior, because

1020
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: this isn't just about the Hukker, is it. This is

1021
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: about all the behaviors. This is about debing yado. We're

1022
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: packer pulling the gun fingers at David Seymour in the house.

1023
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: That's completely unacceptable. It's about the Mardi Party completely ignoring

1024
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 3: the Privileges Committee and as as people have said, behaving

1025
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 3: like it doesn't have any say of that. Everybody else

1026
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 3: has to abide by what the Privileges Committee says, but

1027
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: not the Marti Party. They don't have to turn up,

1028
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: they don't have to abide by the rules, not to

1029
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: publish the recommendations. They just allure on to themselves. That's

1030
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 3: what the Labor Party is siding with, and Labour Party

1031
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: needs to understand that a punishment of twenty one days, yes,

1032
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: does look harsh, but it is not just about the Huker.

1033
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: It's also quite clearly meant as a deterrent to a

1034
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 3: party that is indicated it will keep breaking the rules. Now,

1035
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: I think what's going on here is that Labor is

1036
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: so fixated on making life hard for the government that

1037
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 3: it's failing to see the big picture. And the big

1038
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: picture is that voters do not like bad behavior in parliament.

1039
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 3: Not only is it distasteful and disappointing, but we mainly

1040
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: don't like that MP's are wasting their precious time dealing

1041
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 3: with it kind of nonsense and misbehaving rather than actually

1042
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: running the government because we're paying their wages. Now, I

1043
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: would not be surprised if the majority of voters want

1044
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 3: to see standards restored and punishment handed down. And I

1045
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: would bet a lot of money that the very voters

1046
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: that Labour needs to target, which is middle New Zealand,

1047
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: absolutely want to see punishment handed down in this because remember,

1048
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 3: most voters do not like the Maori Party. They pull

1049
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 3: at about four percent. Ninety six percent of voters don't

1050
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: vote for them, and right now, by siding with them,

1051
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 3: Labor is reminding us what a Labor, Greens and Maori

1052
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: Party government would look like and how it would behave

1053
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: and I think to a lot of people that would

1054
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: be very unappealing.

1055
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 5: Good weather do for seel don't give you a.

1056
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: Little update on the butter situation with Costco, because I've

1057
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: been talking a little bit about this right and it's

1058
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: become a fascination for people because the butter is ridiculously cheap.

1059
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: Now I don't know if you know this, but you

1060
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: can buy one kei low of butter at Costco for

1061
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 3: the same price that you could buy half as much

1062
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: butter at normal supermarkets. Right, so it's like ten dollars

1063
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: for a kilo at Costco and ten dollars for five

1064
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: hundred grams at other supermarkets and stuff, and a lot

1065
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 3: of texts were asking, yeah, but where's the butter from? Well,

1066
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 3: it looks like all of Costco's butter comes from New Zealand.

1067
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 3: The butter is branded as Kirkland's Butter, which is basically

1068
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: like Costco's Home brand. You know, like New World has

1069
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: got PAMs and we had the no frills and we

1070
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 3: had the Home brand, all that kind of stuff. That's

1071
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: basically what Kirkland is. Kirkland is made in hokaticker by

1072
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: Westland Milk Products. Westland also happens to be the place

1073
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: that makes west Gold butter. Are you listening to what

1074
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: I am saying? Westland makes the butter at Costco, but

1075
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: it also makes the west Gold butter. And if you

1076
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 3: ask Martin Bossley, the chef, which I have done, which

1077
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: is the best butter that you could buy out their

1078
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: value for money? Please boss He says west Gold butter,

1079
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: which you get from Woolworths and food Stuff. So what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying to you is read between the lines. You

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Speaker 3: can either buy west Gold at ten dollars for four

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Speaker 3: hundred grams or you can buy the Costco butter at

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Speaker 3: ten dollars for one kg. I'm not saying it's the

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Speaker 3: same butter, but it's made in the same place. To

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Speaker 3: follow what I'm saying, headlines next.

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Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

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Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks they'd be.

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Speaker 15: With the records.

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Speaker 5: I can't remember everything we said. We said it.

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Speaker 10: It's told me that.

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Speaker 3: After six o'clock we're going to be talking to or Flavel,

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Speaker 3: who was obviously one of the previous co leaders of

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Speaker 3: the Marti Party. Just get us take on how I mean.

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Speaker 3: It's a completely different iteration back then of what the

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Speaker 3: party was. But we'll get his take as to what

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Speaker 3: he thinks of what they're up to at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Hither it was very Machiavelli and by Bishop allowing Hipkins

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Speaker 3: to try and water down the penalties before the debate

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Speaker 3: was adjourned. He won't get to speak again before a

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Speaker 3: vote has taken, but his speeches for ever recorded in handside,

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Speaker 3: which is actually not a bad point and may go

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Speaker 3: some way to explaining why Bush didn't tell anybody what

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Speaker 3: he was planning to do twenty four away from six? Now,

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Speaker 3: do you remember that controversial new sport run it which

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Speaker 3: we've talked about on the show. It basically involves a

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Speaker 3: ball carrier, somebody carrying a ball and a tackler running

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Speaker 3: straight at each other from twenty meters apart. Now, the

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Speaker 3: first official trial of it in New Zealand happened in

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Speaker 3: Auckland last night and the next one's happening tomorrow. And

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk to the guys who were involved

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Speaker 3: in the competition and when did they pull out? Or

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Speaker 3: probably what about ten minutes ago? Now it was a

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Speaker 3: little bit more she reckons five Now it was year seven.

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Speaker 3: Split the difference seven and a half minutes ago thereabouts.

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Speaker 3: So I just said, no, we don't want to talk

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Speaker 3: to you anymore. So that's fine. Speak instead to CEO

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Speaker 3: of Headway Stacey Mobra. Headway is a concussion and brain

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Speaker 3: and jury charity charity.

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Speaker 24: Hey Stacy Cauda here that thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very lovely to talk to you. Opportunities hey,

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Speaker 3: why not take them?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 3: You don't like this game? Why is that?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 24: I just and we think Headway thinks. But also you know,

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Speaker 24: we're in intact and we took work really closely with

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Speaker 24: the researchers here in New Zealand, and what we're seeing

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Speaker 24: is something that presents extremely high risk of brain injury.

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Speaker 3: Why are they doing it?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 24: I think you'd have to well, you know, I think

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Speaker 24: that's the biggest societal issue, isn't it Why this is

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Speaker 24: attractivel why they're doing it? But you know, I would

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Speaker 24: just really say that I'm calling this a sport undermines

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Speaker 24: the work done by our sporting codes, you know that

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Speaker 24: they've done over many years than they continue to do

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Speaker 24: to try to mitigate the risks. This isn't a sport.

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Speaker 24: This is literally you know, I don't know an activity,

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Speaker 24: have words for it? Well, I think it's more a

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00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 24: spectacle and entertainment, you know, unprotected head impacts for the

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Speaker 24: entertainment of others.

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Speaker 3: Stacey. Now, I know you guys want the venue to

1144
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Speaker 3: stop hosting them, and you're speaking out against them stuff.

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Speaker 3: But these people are adults, right, I mean, people do

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Speaker 3: stupid things. Should we not accept that they have some

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Speaker 3: agency over their own stupid behavior?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 24: And you know you're right. We wouldn't want to live

1150
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Speaker 24: in a country where we couldn't make choices right. But

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Speaker 24: one thing that worries us is have these people been

1152
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Speaker 24: fully informed? Listening to you know, people involved with it,

1153
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Speaker 24: they didn't actually seem to realize that there was a

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Speaker 24: difference between you know, that you could get a concussion

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Speaker 24: without a knockout, as you know, head when we want

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Speaker 24: to educate people around concussion, we want to make it

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Speaker 24: clear you can be concussed without a knockout, and that

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Speaker 24: a knockout, you know, is really significant. So that that's

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Speaker 24: a worry that people don't actually know what they're putting theirselves,

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Speaker 24: how they're putting themselves at risk, and also the long

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Speaker 24: term consequences of potential brain injury. But also you know,

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Speaker 24: I think it starves young people and what they seeing

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Speaker 24: and what the message is they're getting from this being

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Speaker 24: on TikTok and Instagram.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Stacy, thanks for talking to us. Appreciate it. Stacey Mowbray,

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Speaker 3: who is the CEO of Headway.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Suderby's Internet Real d find

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Speaker 1: you all one of a.

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Speaker 3: Kind On the Huddle of Me this evening, we have

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Speaker 3: Morris Williamson and Claar Door Hello, you too.

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Speaker 14: Hello.

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Speaker 3: Right, let's deal with what's there go on? So hello

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Speaker 3: to him? I did did you okay?

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Speaker 10: Just I mean both of you?

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Speaker 22: Hello, Heather?

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Speaker 14: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Or all right, we've done the nice stuff.

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Speaker 22: What did you have for lunch today?

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Speaker 25: I didn't have any lunch today. I just got something

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Speaker 25: out of the food scraps bin.

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Speaker 3: Oh good from you, Morris. Good segue. We're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about that park that one for now, Claire, what

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Speaker 3: did you think of what happened in parliament with that? Smart?

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Speaker 3: As Debbie says, super chess move from Chris Bishop.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 22: He gets a gold star on his chart as Leader

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Speaker 22: of the House for that because it was a smart

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Speaker 22: move and he only really outsmarted those who hadn't thought through.

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Speaker 22: What would I do if I was trying to shut

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Speaker 22: this down until after the budget, because it's just sitting

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Speaker 22: there as a very obvious thing. So I think it's

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Speaker 22: a lack of knowledge of standing orders, a lack of

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Speaker 22: experience on the part of some people. And I guess

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Speaker 22: I can say that as somebody who's observed Parliament for

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Speaker 22: a long time and actually knows someone who used to

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Speaker 22: do this sort of thing. I'm married to somebody who

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Speaker 22: used to shut the house down just quietly every now

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Speaker 22: and again. And you know it is an obvious move

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Speaker 22: if you're trying to figure out how to achieve exactly

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Speaker 22: exactly what he has.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you think of it, Marris? Did you

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Speaker 3: think of it?

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Speaker 6: Was?

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Speaker 25: Well, my worry is with Jerry Brownly the speaker.

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Speaker 11: I just think Jerry's lost the plot.

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Speaker 25: I think when he read out on Thursday that he

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Speaker 25: was going to allow a full debate from anyone who

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Speaker 25: wished to participate. That's one hundred and twenty two people

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Speaker 25: or something I think there is now. Then he was

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Speaker 25: going to allow as many amendments as people wanted to

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Speaker 25: make to it, and you'd all get a chance to

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Speaker 25: speak to those. What you'd have ended up with was

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Speaker 25: multiple days, if not into weeks, that people could keep

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Speaker 25: moving frivolous amendments or the next stage amendment. Let's move

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Speaker 25: it from three days of a suspension to four days

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Speaker 25: and then debate that. He said anybody who moved an

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Speaker 25: amendment would all people would be allowed to speak again.

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Speaker 25: And when I heard that ruling, I just went O MG,

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Speaker 25: he has just opened Pandora's box to and unlimited, especially

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Speaker 25: in budget week. I thought the only child. The only

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Speaker 25: option now left to the government is they just have

1222
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Speaker 25: to move it on to another date after the budget.

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Speaker 25: They had no option. He forced it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What did you think of that, Claire?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean it was pretty obvious that it did

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00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 22: take him aback. You. I think Jason Walls wasn't able

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Speaker 22: to see the Speaker's face, but he looked momentarily disconcerted

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Speaker 22: and then sort of thumb popped back into the reality

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Speaker 22: that this thing was not happening. And I think the

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Speaker 22: same too for Chris Hopkins heard at one stage had

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Speaker 22: made some sort of interesting points, but in making the

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Speaker 22: points that he did about the disproportionality as he argues

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Speaker 22: of this punishment, it's also clear that what's gone before

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Speaker 22: by way of punishments has had no deterrent effect. So

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Speaker 22: maybe Parliament does need to get tougher.

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Speaker 3: What did you can justine that, Claire? What did you

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Speaker 3: make of Jerry brownlee reaction? I mean is it is

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Speaker 3: does it seem that he actually wants this debate to

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Speaker 3: happen right now?

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Speaker 22: Well, I think he expected it, whether he in a

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Speaker 22: sense wanted it, but I think.

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Speaker 3: He's caught off guard, butn't just caught off guard then

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Speaker 3: by what happened, caught off guard.

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Speaker 22: I think the person I don't think that Christ Biship

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00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 22: kept it entirely to himself, because when Winston Peters had

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Speaker 22: to leave the house, he did so very quickly, very quietly,

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00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 22: and I think he knew he wasn't going to be

1249
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 22: missing his chance to comment on that debate because it

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Speaker 22: was not going to happen.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I did think no, no, but but Winston was

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00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 25: allowed straight back and when question time finished he did

1253
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 25: come back into his chair. Look, there was a matter

1254
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 25: of there was no choice. There was simply no choice

1255
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 25: on this. Jerry forced their hand last Thursday. He hated

1256
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 25: what the Privileges Committee had ruled. He couldn't stand it.

1257
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 25: He was despised it. And he suddenly realized that he

1258
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Speaker 25: had opened.

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Speaker 3: Do you know that Morris? Are you?

1260
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Speaker 4: Are you?

1261
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: Is that in yours?

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00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 25: You just needed to see just look at his face

1263
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 25: on last Thursday and look at the words he said.

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Speaker 11: You know, so such a.

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Speaker 3: Strong opinion on what the Privileges Committee's done.

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Speaker 25: I don't know, but he was bitter about them having

1267
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 25: gone so far. He said, yes, there was a room

1268
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 25: for punishment, but you know, he was really clear your

1269
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 25: body language. You don't even need to be a professor

1270
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 25: to read it. And so he decided I can get

1271
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 25: you back here. I will leave it to an open

1272
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 25: debate with as many I've never heard any speakers say,

1273
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 25: with as many amendments as you want to make, and

1274
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 25: you'll all be able to speak again on every amendment

1275
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 25: you make. And all that did is so well the

1276
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 25: government said, well, we've just got to close this down.

1277
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 22: It's also seldom that you've seen the public galleries closed

1279
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 22: to anyone, Yer, and I think that is highly regrettable

1280
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 22: that that move had to be taken.

1281
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 3: If it had to be taken.

1282
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 22: Because you know, Parliament belongs to us, it doesn't just

1283
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 22: belong to MP's.

1284
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 25: I think it had to be taken. You would have

1285
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 25: just lost control of that whole room with the nunt

1286
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 25: of people out on the forecourt being.

1287
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 3: I mean, it's worth us pointing out right that we

1288
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 3: may have we've all we've done has deferred this right.

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00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 3: All of these risks involved with this debate are only

1290
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 3: being put off. It could well basically just happen in June,

1291
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Speaker 3: couldn't it.

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Speaker 22: You For the reason the reoil arranged in the meantime right.

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Speaker 25: The reason to put it off now, But the reason

1294
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 25: to put it off is really clear if you take

1295
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 25: how many people there are to speak, and all the

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Speaker 25: amendments that could be moved and giving everyone a chance

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Speaker 25: to have their say. You run a past budget time

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Speaker 25: on Thursday totally, and that's the one thing the government

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Speaker 25: couldn't afford. So push it out beyond budget and let

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Speaker 25: it run for as long as you like.

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Speaker 3: Yep, all right, guys, we'll take a break and we'll

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Speaker 3: come back and talk about those food scraps.

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Speaker 1: Morris Quarter two the huddle with New Zealand southebyst International

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Speaker 1: Realty achieve extraordinary results with unparalleled reach.

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Speaker 3: Right, Morris, tell me about the food scrapsmin Are you

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Speaker 3: guys going to get rid of it?

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Speaker 25: I'm hopeful we will. I've been opposed to it right

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Speaker 25: from the outset. It had already been decided when I

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Speaker 25: got elected in twenty twenty two, but I've had a

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Speaker 25: bit of a campaign going on and now election year.

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Speaker 25: I want to know any counselors that are happy to

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Speaker 25: tell rate payers you should be paying seventy four dollars

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Speaker 25: for a US.

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Speaker 10: You don't want.

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Speaker 25: I'm happy to let those who do want to have

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Speaker 25: a food scraps bin have one and they should pay

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Speaker 25: the true cost of it. Now, what you get from

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Speaker 25: other councilors so far saying is oh, but any costs

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Speaker 25: and incurred across society to be spread across everybody. Well,

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Speaker 25: last week I just had someone come and do my

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Speaker 25: pool inspection and it cost me two hundred bucks to

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Speaker 25: help you with that. I think you should chip in

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Speaker 25: and so should clear I shouldn't be It's nonsense, It's

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Speaker 25: absolutely nonsense.

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Speaker 22: Can we come and swim in your pool?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: Well no, equally, do you want to go through what

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Speaker 3: you can pay for it?

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Speaker 23: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: That's right.

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Speaker 25: Well, in our area I think it's about twenty eight

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Speaker 25: percent of all people putting rubbish out on a Thursday.

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Speaker 25: I've done many many pictures along the street. It's less

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Speaker 25: than thirty percent. I'm told by officials it's up to

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Speaker 25: a third for the whole city. I actually don't believe that.

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Speaker 11: A listen, but it's just on this site what it is.

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Speaker 10: Not only if you want it, you pay.

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Speaker 3: Not only is it a cost for everybody when when

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Speaker 3: only a third of us are doing it in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: But even the bigger crime is that it is. It

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Speaker 3: is economically just ridiculous because you're paying fourteen hundred dollars

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Speaker 3: per carbon unit saved when you could just buy it

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Speaker 3: from the ets for fifty bucks.

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Speaker 25: Correct, there was just virtue signaling by those councils at

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Speaker 25: the time. Will look like we're doing something to save

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Speaker 25: the planet. About eighty percent of what they trucked to Reparoa,

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Speaker 25: so you imagine the carbon being pumped into there by

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Speaker 25: the trucks, about eighty percent of it is water.

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Speaker 11: They were they told us they squeeze the water out.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Bill is texting me furiously. He says, I was

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Speaker 3: asleep at science school and that I don't understand that

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Speaker 3: the water is retained within the vegetables, and therefore, like

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Speaker 3: that's why it's eighty percent water? Or is it actually?

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Speaker 3: Are we? Are we talking about the water that's produced

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Speaker 3: by the decomposing process.

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Speaker 25: No, no, no, no, it's like anything. I mean, your

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Speaker 25: human body seventy five percent of work.

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Speaker 3: Can we squeeze it out?

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Speaker 11: Well, that's right.

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Speaker 25: If you crush the stuff, all the liquid would pour

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Speaker 25: out and then you'll be able to take the dried

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Speaker 25: or the squash stuff.

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Speaker 3: Don't they do that?

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Speaker 25: Well? It's well, they thought that it was. Actually they

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Speaker 25: were going to we were originally. Then we found out

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Speaker 25: it was more expensive and energy wise to do the

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Speaker 25: crushing and the drying than it was to just carry

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Speaker 25: the truckloads of water down there. In the end, this

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Speaker 25: is a lunatic policy. I'm going to be really interested

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Speaker 25: to see any counselors who vote to retain it, because

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Speaker 25: they got to face their rate payers, and two thirds

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Speaker 25: of their ratepayers who are voting don't use the service

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Speaker 25: but pay for it. It's wrong and it should be

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Speaker 25: user paid too.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Claire, I am starting a campaign to get

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Speaker 3: rid of these stupid elemins. And I've got Morrison boarders

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Speaker 3: you can tell, and the Auckland rate Payers Alliance would

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Speaker 3: you like to join.

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Speaker 22: My brain is aching from what I now know about

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Speaker 22: food scraps that I didn't know before. You two have

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Speaker 22: got going on the top.

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Speaker 3: And you are shook, aren't you? You are shook? Are shaken?

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Speaker 22: I mean, if you can't use the foods graps, just

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Speaker 22: pop a bit of ice in it, put your shard, Nana,

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Speaker 22: and off you go. Heather, Honestly, I wish, I mean,

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Speaker 22: I do care about the cost. That's being imposed on people.

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Speaker 22: I hadn't thought it through as well as Morris hasn't

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Speaker 22: got hot under the collar a food scrap scrap because

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Speaker 22: by passed me out for now.

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Speaker 26: But I'm going to go and.

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Speaker 3: Read up about it. Listen. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 25: From the food fights on the village square.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: All I want to say is clear, there's surely something

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Speaker 3: you care about that we can spend that thirty six

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Speaker 3: million dollars on. You know that would be better?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Totally? There is like libraries, Oh love a library.

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Speaker 22: Get the least building fixed up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we just.

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Speaker 25: The money and reduced the clear how about we just

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Speaker 25: reduced the thirteen billion of debt by that much?

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Speaker 3: About that would be good?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, all right, Marris, you go do that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, No, she's on board, she's behind you, she's on.

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Speaker 11: Upsets me that.

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Speaker 25: Every time there's a saving people, so or what could

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Speaker 25: we spend it on? Well, actually, we've got thirteen thousand

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Speaker 25: million dollars of debt.

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Speaker 3: I know what you are, your sensible dad, aren't you?

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Speaker 6: All?

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Speaker 3: We wanted some treats and you say no, put the

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Speaker 3: money away. All right, it's good though we need boring.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Morris Williams and Clear de lay I

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Speaker 3: huddle this evening eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupasy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 5: That'd be Heather.

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Speaker 3: A labor doesn't separate itself from the Marti Party, they're

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Speaker 3: not going to be back in power for a very

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Speaker 3: long time. I would agree with that Marty part. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: we all agree with that. We all know why we

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Speaker 3: agree with that. It's just a shambles, isn't it. Hitheras

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Speaker 3: that little truck goes round the corner of our end

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01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 3: of our cul de sac, the truck drops that juice

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Speaker 3: on the road, and the smell is awful, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing as stinky as the food. But hey, and

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Speaker 3: that's do you know what, just insyncorate it, just in syncorated,

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Speaker 3: because what they're doing is actually not only an economic crime,

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Speaker 3: but it would appear to be a climate crime as

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Speaker 3: well by shipping it all down to Reperoa. Anyway, Look,

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Speaker 3: I've got I've got to come to the defense of

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Speaker 3: the dinosaur. Okay, so this is this has caused the thing.

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Speaker 3: Taxpays Union is not happy about it. Taupo Council has

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Speaker 3: put up a dinosaur. It's a statue. Where is it

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Speaker 3: acts is it Lakeside Lakeside Park here, Lakeside Park where

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Speaker 3: they have all the concerts and stuff like that. It's

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Speaker 3: a dinosaurs statue. Now. It's ten meters tall, and what

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Speaker 3: it is at the top, on the top of the

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Speaker 3: plinth is a silver dinosaur, right, and it looks like

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Speaker 3: if you've ever gone to kmart and you've bought one

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Speaker 3: of those blow up balloons that's in the shape of

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Speaker 3: a dinosaur.

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Speaker 11: Or it's like a Diplodocus brachiosaurus type looking one.

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Speaker 3: Actually, no one knows what you're talking about.

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Speaker 11: Nerd Board knows what I'm talking about right now. Yes, Brontosaurus.

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Speaker 11: Oh I know what a brontosaurus issaurus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for making English. Okay, it's probably a

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Speaker 3: Latin anyway. So what it is is if you go

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01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 3: to km out and you buy one of those those

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Speaker 3: blow up dinosaurs. It looks like that, but like a

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Speaker 3: good version of that, right, because that's obviously what the

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Speaker 3: artist was modeling it on. And then it's sitting on

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Speaker 3: a plinth that looks it's like a geometric rock formation.

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Speaker 3: So it looks like something out of an early video game,

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Speaker 3: and people hate it. They're really upset about it, because

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Speaker 3: there's nothing that people want to get more upset about

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Speaker 3: than the council wasting your money and look on that.

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Speaker 3: That is a fair point because the thing costs the council,

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Speaker 3: Topal District council one hundred thousand dollars, which is a

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Speaker 3: lot of money for local government, and these people are

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Speaker 3: paying rates or a rates increase of more than eight percent.

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Speaker 3: So that's fair. That's a fair argument. But for the

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Speaker 3: art of it, it's cool. I mean, that is a

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Speaker 3: cool sculpture, right, because sculptures are fine. You know, you

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Speaker 3: see sculpture around the place, it's like, well, whatever, it's fine.

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Speaker 3: But this is a sculpture that not only you as

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Speaker 3: a parent, a millennial parent, drawing on all of your

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Speaker 3: childhood experiences of bronzosauruses and stuff like that and km

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Speaker 3: Art toys. You can enjoy that, but also the children

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Speaker 3: get to look at a dinosaur. They're gonna love it.

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Speaker 3: Now you're going to look at it. It's going to

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Speaker 3: make you upset for a little bit, right, undoubtedly, but

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be like, that's not art, it's ugly, but

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Speaker 3: mark my words, mark my words. Ten years from now,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a legend and you're going to

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Speaker 3: be taking the children there. And it's a sauro pod,

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Speaker 3: says it text.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so a saw a pod is the broad Do

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Speaker 11: you really want to go down the throat? A sa

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Speaker 11: POD's the broader family that all those species are names belong.

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Speaker 3: To what species?

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Speaker 11: Like the brachiosaur was a sawer pod? Is that just

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Speaker 11: a walk up like a big one with a long

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Speaker 11: neck that eats leaves. So you're right, It would have

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Speaker 11: been much faster for me to say sa a pod.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well I'm labor cleared that up. It's a sawa pod,

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. There's obviously more nerd boys out

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Speaker 3: there to it or flavel is with us next and

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Speaker 3: also chorus chorus is ripping out the couple lines. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to talk to you about that later on news talks.

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Speaker 8: He'd be.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing the business

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Speaker 1: hour with hand the dutilessle and mass insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 5: News talks be.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, Auckland. See

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Speaker 3: these are out in about three weeks as we're a

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Speaker 3: huge delay on this, so we will discuss rad Olsen

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Speaker 3: on what he's looking out for in the budget, which

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Speaker 3: is only two slips away, and Jamie McKay on the

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Speaker 3: government's climate plan that obviously is not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: At seven past six now, as you well know, the

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Speaker 3: Maori Party punishment debate isn't happening. It's been delayed until

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Speaker 3: June fifth. The Leader of the House, Chris Bishop said

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Speaker 3: it would be wrong to deny a party the right

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Speaker 3: to debate the budget. So Flavel is a former co

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Speaker 3: leader of the Maori Party and is with us. Now, Hey,

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Speaker 3: is the order here right? How are you very well?

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Speaker 6: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Would this all have happened under you? Is this the

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Speaker 3: kind of party that you could have seen it becoming

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Speaker 3: under your leadership?

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Speaker 26: I'm not too sure. There are a couple of times

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01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 26: that we definitely tested the boundaries. I remember taking the

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01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 26: Oaths for example, and talking to the tretaway Toney and

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01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 26: that caused a bit of a stir so over time,

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Speaker 26: I know, as we've settled in as a sort of

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01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 26: an or as the group has settled into an independent

1520
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 26: party that attempts to put and highlight copable Maori in

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01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 26: front of the nation. It's probably inevitable that over time

1522
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 26: these sorts of things would happen because and it's not new.

1523
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 26: Back in my day, as I say, we were attempting

1524
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 26: to press the boundaries through from the from the causes

1525
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 26: and the treaty through through just Cadel Mary being spoken

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01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 26: in the house.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I suppose every time you push at the boundary,

1529
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 3: and you push at the boundary, it kind of you know,

1530
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 3: we will get more and more as the boundary goes out.

1531
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 3: The thing that you had pressed that made people upset

1532
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 3: is no longer something that makes people upset. But it

1533
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 3: does feel like it's kind of gone a bit far.

1534
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 3: If we've got one co leader pulling the gun thing,

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01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 3: is that another another leader in Parliament?

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01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 16: Don't you think?

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01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 26: Well, I don't necessarily accept that that's the case about

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01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 26: pulling a gun. I mean, you know, people stand up

1539
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 26: in the debating chamber and you've seen it all yourself.

1540
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 26: People express themselves in different ways. And I suppose just

1541
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 26: in the eye of the holder, And does anybody really

1542
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 26: believe that DEBI is going to really take up arms

1543
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 26: against anybody. I don't think so. I mean, often this

1544
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 26: is all about expression. I won't talk about just the finger,

1545
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 26: whatever it might be, because that's that's done all the time,

1546
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 26: even mister Peters is. But you can't other people.

1547
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 3: Come on, You can't say that's okay, because you can't

1548
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 3: be going around as a professional adults pulling gun fingers

1549
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 3: at each other and thinking that that's okay.

1550
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 26: Well I said that, but that that is on the

1551
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 26: basis that somebody believes it was pulling the gun. And

1552
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 26: as I say, even mister Peters are from time to

1553
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 26: time has roll to wave his little old finger in

1554
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 26: certain directions and so on, as if as if to

1555
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 26: do the similar similar actions. So I'm not going to

1556
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 26: defend that. The bigger copepper here is around, you know,

1557
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 26: an ability for mary to express their views in the

1558
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 26: Parliament of our land and allow that to happen on

1559
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 26: the back of what has happened, you know, through history

1560
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 26: in parliament and as I say, even in our time,

1561
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 26: we had to fight hard for the acceptance of mighty

1562
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 26: language in parliament. So times have moved on and Hakker

1563
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 26: is not new in parliament, and yet it seems to

1564
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 26: have been blind right.

1565
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 3: That's not the problem though, when you know that you're

1566
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 3: smart enough to know that's not the problem.

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01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 26: Well it appears to be, and I love that.

1568
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 3: Come on, you know you know the rules in Parliament.

1569
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 3: You know that you can't go and stand within two

1570
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 3: and a half sword links of somebody else, which is

1571
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 3: what they did. Had they done the hacker in their

1572
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 3: own seats after the vote was taken, it probably wouldn't

1573
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 3: be as big a deal as it is. But they

1574
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 3: actually went up to another MP. And you're not supposed

1575
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 3: to do that, and there's reason why you're not supposed

1576
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 3: to do that, and you.

1577
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 6: Know that, Derek.

1578
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 26: There are another number of occasions that I've been in

1579
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 26: the House wee people have stood in the oil and

1580
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 26: done the hooker. So moving outside of your boundaries is

1581
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 26: not new.

1582
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 3: And have they approached a member that close?

1583
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 26: No, the issue was about haker doing No, it's not

1584
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 26: and you.

1585
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 3: Know it's not to it or you know it's not

1586
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 3: about doing a.

1587
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 26: Hawker mate, Well I think it is actually and it's not.

1588
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 26: So somebody happens to have taken them argument out to

1589
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 26: target mister Sema, although I don't disagree that mister Sema

1590
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 26: was the targeting team.

1591
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 3: Okay, so if because you do realize that there is

1592
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 3: a separate process altogether here that is considering whether the

1593
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 3: hacker actually can be done in parliament, whether it can

1594
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 3: be included within Parliament's rules. Do you realize that right?

1595
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 26: No, because the hoker has already been accepted by Gingers

1596
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 26: way back in my day.

1597
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 3: So are you telling me theker It's okay if the

1598
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 3: hacker happens in parliament.

1599
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 26: But it happens already has been and then we accepted.

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01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,600
Speaker 3: The hocker is not the problem. It's the advancing on

1601
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 3: a member that's the problem. It's the intimidation.

1602
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 26: No, well, that depends on, of course, on who you

1603
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,560
Speaker 26: speak to. And of course they have been sanctioned for

1604
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 26: doing the hooker in the house, and that seems to

1605
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 26: be the discussion and the debate. Hokker is not new,

1606
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 26: and hacker is a simple expression of and I suppose

1607
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 26: it comes down to an understanding of what people believe

1608
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 26: is you know the purpose of a hakker. I mean,

1609
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 26: there's no denying there's an element of what expression A

1610
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 26: storm expression about what one person challenge from t hunter

1611
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 26: times a celebration, at other times sadness, happiness. All of

1612
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 26: those expressions are contained in hokka all the time, and

1613
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 26: there's no different conga from freight orderor that happens on

1614
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 26: the my life. And I suppose this is the question,

1615
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 26: you know, Heather, that I've sort of tried to focus on.

1616
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 26: That is, you know, the ability to allow copeable mariichik

1617
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 26: Maori in the health, which is absolutely you know in

1618
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 26: terms of all of the wolves pretty much follows a

1619
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 26: capable Parker how lone. And that's that's the challenge all

1620
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 26: the time, all.

1621
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 3: Right to it as always love chatting to you mate,

1622
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 3: look after yourself to or level former leader of the

1623
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 3: Maori Party co leader Heather do for cl whither the

1624
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 3: scrap's food recycling typifies all green eco schemes. It's poorly

1625
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 3: thought out, it's worse for the environment and really is

1626
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: just virtue signaling. I can't wait. I've got I reckon,

1627
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 3: I've got enough people on board my little campaign. Now

1628
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 3: that I reckon this is not going to last. How

1629
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 3: long do I reckon? It'll last? Maybe two more Auckland

1630
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 3: budgets and then after that it's gone, Heather, It's Rob

1631
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 3: the Latin teacher here. Brontosaurus is from Greek and not Latin.

1632
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 3: It means something like the thunder lizard. Actually very cool name, Heather.

1633
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 3: That dinosaur is a bargain. We Auckland has paid one

1634
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 3: million dollars for a steel Christmas tree that could have

1635
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 3: been ten dinosaurs, and dinosaurs are so much more cool

1636
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 3: and Gavin also, the Christmas tree comes down. You only

1637
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,799
Speaker 3: get it for about a month, don't you. That dinosaur

1638
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 3: lives there forever. So it is a bargain, I suppose,

1639
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 3: if you're prepared to pay for it. Hither. I was

1640
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 3: born in the late seventies, and I feel like this

1641
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 3: is my moment to shine. Brontosaurus, Diplocotus, hence Diplodocus, maybe Diplodocus, Brachiosaurus,

1642
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 3: et cetera, are all in the genus of Sora pods.

1643
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 11: I think I said Diplodocus before, because I'm not sure

1644
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 11: which of the two you're supposed to say. It's one

1645
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 11: of the two anyway, you know.

1646
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 3: So it's that one with all the d's and the

1647
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 3: p's and.

1648
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 11: Like a little fit from the lamb before time, that

1649
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 11: one he's that one that.

1650
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 3: He is no idea what he's talking about anyway, Soara pods.

1651
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 3: There you go, fourteen past six.

1652
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:57,839
Speaker 5: It's the Heather.

1653
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,479
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1654
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1655
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Speaker 3: Hither to it or a f level is totally Righthither

1656
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 3: the ex Marti Party leader does not believe the gunfingers

1657
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 3: are other things? Is okay? If these things were reversed,

1658
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,480
Speaker 3: there was a totally wasted interview. I would agree with you. Look, unfortunately,

1659
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: what happens is very hard to kind of if you

1660
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 3: can't agree, if you can't settle on agreed facts like

1661
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 3: why they are in trouble and what actually happened, Like

1662
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 3: those things are not up for debate. They are facts.

1663
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 3: What happened. You can see what happened, and you can

1664
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 3: see what people are in trouble for because it has

1665
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 3: written down. And if you can't actually agree on that

1666
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 3: with somebody you're talking to, then everything thereafter is a

1667
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 3: waste of everybody's time. And unfortunately that is exactly what happens.

1668
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 3: So I apologize and I'm partly to blame for that.

1669
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 3: Eighteen past six, Now, just two more sleeps until Budget Day.

1670
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 3: Brad Olson's favorite day of the year, and he's with us. Now, Hey, Brad,

1671
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 3: good evening. Is it really your favorite day.

1672
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 9: It's definitely up there. I mean, you know, birthdays and

1673
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 9: Christmas are good, but when you sort of get locked

1674
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 9: in a room with a huge amount of information to

1675
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 9: go through and put your economic wits to a test,

1676
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 9: it's always important.

1677
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the time pressure, I mean, it is just

1678
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 3: so intense and fun. Okay, what are you going to

1679
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 3: be looking out for. What's the one thing that you

1680
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 3: do not know about? You want to understand and this

1681
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 3: is the thing that you go straight to.

1682
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 9: Oh look, infrastructure in my mind only because I think

1683
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 9: it'll be more than one thing. I don't think there'll

1684
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 9: just be one announcement. And there's already been some right,

1685
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 9: I mean, there's been a lot of money that's been

1686
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 9: put towards the likes of defense and similar but government,

1687
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 9: you know, continues to talk about how much infrastructure it

1688
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 9: wants to invest and we can see it around the country.

1689
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 9: There is a desperate need for that across the likes

1690
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 9: of you know, hospitals and schools, but also the likes

1691
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 9: of you know, water pipes, roads, everything else that keep

1692
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 9: the economy moving. So that's going to be my big

1693
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 9: focus what stuff is in there, because if the government

1694
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 9: can unlock a greater level of infrastructure investment. That's the

1695
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 9: sort of stuff that does get the economy motoring. It

1696
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 9: creates or keeps more people in construction jobs to start with,

1697
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 9: and when those facilities, when those assets are up in running,

1698
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 9: is a whole lot more that they can provide. And

1699
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 9: I think, particularly looking out at the likes of provincial

1700
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,440
Speaker 9: and regional New Zealand, there's some real opportunities to supercharge

1701
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 9: stuff there.

1702
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 11: So that's the big one.

1703
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 9: But of course, as we've talked about, I think for

1704
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 9: probably the last two weeks on the show now that

1705
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 9: the key we save a question is still coming up

1706
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 9: time and time again. So although it seems pretty close

1707
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 9: that something is going to come out there, just the

1708
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 9: details we'll want to get across what they mean for people.

1709
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 3: Back in You know. One thing that struck me as

1710
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 3: being slightly different this time around is that last in budgets,

1711
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 3: Previously we've always looked out for the lollies like who's

1712
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 3: getting what freeb but this time there is no sense

1713
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 3: of that and it is more what's been cut? Would

1714
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 3: you agree with that?

1715
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 10: Indeed?

1716
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 9: And to be fair, that was a part of last year,

1717
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 9: but we had a pretty good read already from the

1718
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 9: government at that point because they'd said, you know, government

1719
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 9: ministries need to take a six and a half percent

1720
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 9: baseline cup this time around, it's not quite across the

1721
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 9: board everyone needs to find savings. It's more that there

1722
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 9: are big, quite chunky projects or sort of proposals that

1723
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Speaker 9: were already there that might now be coming out. So

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Speaker 9: you're definitely right in terms of what's not going to

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Speaker 9: be in there for the future. But I also think

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Speaker 9: slightly different with this budget is there seems to be

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Speaker 9: a few more sort of non financial announcements that the

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Speaker 9: government wants to make as part of it. So they

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Speaker 9: might be funding some new proposal, but they're also saying, look,

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Speaker 9: we're going to make this other change that might not

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Speaker 9: necessarily cost a whole lot of money, but if we

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Speaker 9: can make a financial shift plus a regulatory shift, change

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Speaker 9: some of the rules around this to make things go

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Speaker 9: fast or and not have so many barriers in the way,

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Speaker 9: then that also seems to be a part I think

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Speaker 9: of the government strategy this budget. I mean that the

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Speaker 9: Finance Minister has highlighted that this is all around growth,

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Speaker 9: So again I think there's now a real expectation there

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01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 9: we'll be wanting to see better growth expectations coming from

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Speaker 9: the treasury now, because if the government is getting serious

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Speaker 9: about growing growth and they need to get Treasury over

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Speaker 9: the line, if they can convince the Treasury guys over

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Speaker 9: the line, then we're definitely back in business.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff hat. It's always good to talk to you, Brad.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you there, Brad Olson, Infametrix Principle Principal Economists Spark,

1746
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 3: So good day. I suppose if you're holding the old

1747
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 3: Sparks shares, good ish day for you because they are

1748
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 3: up three percent today, sitting at two dollars twenty five.

1749
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 3: Relatively high volumes of trade that has been going on today.

1750
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 3: And this will be because there was a story this

1751
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 3: morning media speculation published here in New Zealand off the

1752
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 3: back of some information in Australia. This is in The

1753
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 3: Australian's Data Room Market Gossip column that at least two

1754
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 3: private equity firms are going over Spark at the moment

1755
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 3: and they're considering a buyout proposal.

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Speaker 1: Six twenty one The Rural Report with msd Annimal Health

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Speaker 1: Home of Sense of Dairy at All Flags Right.

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Speaker 3: Jamie McKay Hosts of the Countries with Me Now hey,

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Speaker 3: Jamie evening. Ever, so it's becoming more and more apparent,

1760
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 3: isn't it that the climate plan is just there are

1761
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 3: holes all over this thing and it's not going to work,

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Speaker 3: is it?

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Speaker 25: Ah?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, Well, this story I think I read it on

1765
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 23: to be fair. I think it was on Farmers Weekly

1766
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 23: this morning, and it was news to me that a

1767
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Speaker 23: critical part of the government's plan for cutting greenhouse gas

1768
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Speaker 23: submissions over the next five years appears to have fallen

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Speaker 23: over because we are a chunk of the government's climate

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01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 23: success rested on a single project which the owner now

1771
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Speaker 23: says probably won't happen because it doesn't stack up commercially

1772
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 23: so full. You know, a third of the reductions they

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01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 23: needed between now and twenty thirty were supposed to come

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Speaker 23: from carbon dioxide being stashed permanently underground in Taranaki at

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01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 23: the Caperni gas field. Caperney's owner, Todd Energy, says the

1776
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 23: project as future is uncertain unless it gets some kind

1777
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 23: of extra incentive or subsidy from the government, something that's

1778
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 23: not likely in this week's budget, I wouldn't think. And

1779
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 23: apparently carbon capture and storage I was unaware of this

1780
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 23: seather you capture it and you store it underground and

1781
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 23: reservoirs like empty gas fields, hopefully forever. The several multi

1782
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Speaker 23: billion dollar projects underway overseas with mixed success, including in

1783
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 23: Australia that's looking ab bit dodgy at the moment. So

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Speaker 23: there you go, another one bites the dust.

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Speaker 3: Well, because you'll be aware that Simon Watts has apparently

1786
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 3: been going around and assuring people who are concerned, and

1787
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Speaker 3: I would suggest the people who are probably most concerned

1788
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 3: about this climate plan will be farmers, assuring them that

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Speaker 3: actually this is just an ambition, right, We're not actually

1790
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,799
Speaker 3: going to meet these targets. You know about that, am.

1791
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Speaker 23: Yeah, absolutely, And so we've got this ambition, we've got

1792
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 23: these targets, but it would appear to me at this

1793
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 23: stage anyhow, if we don't meet them, we get slapped

1794
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 23: over the risk With the West Wet bus tickets, I

1795
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 23: have them in the first place, Well, they're not going

1796
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,560
Speaker 23: to be held to account. It seems rather bizarre, and

1797
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Speaker 23: which leads me on to what's in the budget for

1798
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 23: the farmers, Heather and I'm saying, hopefully nothing.

1799
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Speaker 10: We've moved on.

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Speaker 23: From the days of the bear and backy budgets from

1801
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 23: Rob Muldoon. What farmers don't want, I can tell you

1802
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 23: this right away is unrealistic emissions reductions targets that will

1803
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 23: only serve to hamstring resector and of course the nation's

1804
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 23: economy and the other interesting one Field Day's coming up

1805
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 23: next month. I'm expecting here that dairy conversions to be

1806
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 23: the topic dajour or one of them at field Days.

1807
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Speaker 3: Interesting. Hey, Jamie, good to talk to you. I really

1808
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Thank you so much. I'll bring Jamie mckaye

1809
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 3: Host of the Country. I'll get back to the thing

1810
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 3: that's been going on with Simon Wats because it does

1811
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 3: be it's actually worth me telling you just quickly. Linda Clark,

1812
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,560
Speaker 3: the lawyer, former tvn Z political editor, is going to

1813
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Speaker 3: take temporary leave as TV and z's are one of

1814
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Speaker 3: the board directors at TV and Z because Linda Clark,

1815
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 3: so she does the board thing, but she also, being

1816
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 3: a lawyer, is representing the former Deputy Police Commissioner JEFN

1817
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 3: Mcskimming and in that job, she's an illegal fight with

1818
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 3: the media companies over whether they can print what that

1819
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 3: pawn was on his computer. TVNZ is not part of

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01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 3: the action, but it might be which would present her

1821
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 3: conflict of interest. So as a result, she has stepped

1822
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Speaker 3: off the board. Headline's next.

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Speaker 8: You no oh care home word.

1824
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 3: Years now.

1825
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 5: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1826
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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with header duper c Ellen and who

1827
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 1: Theirs Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future

1828
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: news talks d.

1829
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 12: Be did you're taking me?

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Speaker 26: Did you name to the.

1831
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Speaker 3: Joy right Brady, our UK correspondent is going to be

1832
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 3: with us in about ten minutes. I'm just on Australia.

1833
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 3: The RBA has moved today. As we discussed earlier, all

1834
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 3: four major retail banks over there have dropped their rates

1835
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 3: as a result. So that's happy days for the Australians,

1836
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 3: many more for us to come hopefully as well. Just

1837
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 3: on that that business with the climate stuff right in February.

1838
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 3: This is why from now on I just do not

1839
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 3: take this climate stuff seriously at all in terms of

1840
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 3: our climate targets right at all, Like when they talk

1841
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 3: about it, just go whatever. Because the Climate Change Minister

1842
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 3: Simon Watson February told them eating of Wycutt or federated

1843
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 3: farmers that he is not going to send any money

1844
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 3: overseas to meet the NDC in twenty thirty. Now, basically

1845
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,839
Speaker 3: what that is is that if we don't meet our target,

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01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 3: that's shortfall. Because we're all striving towards something for twenty

1847
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 3: thirty and then something for twenty fifteen. If we do

1848
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 3: not meet our target, that's shortfall. We have to account

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01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 3: for by planting a lot of trees. But we can't

1850
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 3: just plant all those trees in New Zealand. So we

1851
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 3: need to plant the trees. And I don't know Brazil

1852
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 3: or something like that, but so that means we have

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01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 3: to pay the Brazilians. Let's just say to plant the trees,

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01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 3: and that's going to cost us. I can't remember exactly

1855
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 3: what it was last time, but let's say it's but

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01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 3: somewhere around the thirty billion dollar mark. Now, nah, we're

1857
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 3: not going to do that, are we. And he said

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01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 3: some countries meet the targets and some won't just because

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01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 3: of national circumstance. You have to have the intent to

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Speaker 3: meet it, and if you don't meet it, no one

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01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 3: sends you an invoice. And this was interpreted as an

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Speaker 3: admission that New Zealand will not hit the twenty thirty

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Speaker 3: target and will not be sent money offshore. So when

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01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 3: they come at you and they're like, oh, we need

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01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 3: to meet the target, just be like, but you're not

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01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 3: going to, So what's the point in the charade anymore?

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what that is a charade. I'm

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01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 3: very happy to drop. I don't know about you, because

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Speaker 3: I'd like to hold onto my thirty billion dollars twenty

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01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 3: three away from seven.

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Speaker 5: Heather due for ce Ellen.

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Speaker 3: After a huge delay, Aucklands are finally going to get

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Speaker 3: their updated property valuations. Auckland Council says the new valuations

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01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 3: are going to hit your mbox in the week of

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Speaker 3: June nine. The last cvs were set during the height

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01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 3: of the house price boom in twenty twenty one, so yeah,

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01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 3: it's going to be a bit of a thing that's

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01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,799
Speaker 3: going to happen to your mbox. Property commentator Ashley Churches

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Speaker 3: with me. Now, hey, Ashley, Hea, why is it taken

1880
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 3: so long?

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Speaker 7: The really good question. The last time they were done

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Speaker 7: was July twenty and twenty one, so coming up four

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01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,640
Speaker 7: years they're normally three, so that's quite a bit of

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01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 7: extra time. Having said that, I don't think it's going

1885
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 7: to make a heck of a lot of difference to

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01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,560
Speaker 7: valuations overall, because they haven't moved all that much in

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Speaker 7: the past.

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Speaker 3: Twelve months, haven't they, though, Because I mean, you're hearing

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Speaker 3: all these yarns about people by houses. For example, we

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Speaker 3: bought we bought when we moved to Auckland. We bought

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Speaker 3: a house that was worth We paid less than they

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Speaker 3: had paid in twenty eighteen for it. You have massive

1893
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Speaker 3: drops going on, so why wouldn't it reflect that.

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01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 7: So because most of those drops that you're talking about,

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01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 7: so just put that in some context Auckland prices. And

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Speaker 7: it's really important to understand by the way that when

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01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 7: I talk about Auckland generically it's a bit unsee it

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01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 7: because there's different movements in different parts of the city.

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Speaker 7: But let's traded as a whole. Auckland prices as a whole.

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Speaker 7: Most of that drop, which has been about twenty two

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Speaker 7: percent since it's height in twenty twenty one, happened prior

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01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 7: to last year. So last year they kind of tape

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01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 7: it off and just out there. In fact, last year

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01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 7: there was some expectation that they're actually going to climb again,

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01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 7: and they were going to for a while and then

1906
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 7: and then of course we had a couple of other

1907
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 7: things that hit us, and the market's just wallowed where

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01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 7: it is. But there's indications that slow, indications.

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Speaker 14: That's going to rise.

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Speaker 7: But as I say, in the last twelve months hasn't

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Speaker 7: made much difference. Also worth noting that even though it's

1912
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 7: dropped twenty two percent since twenty twenty one, are still

1913
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 7: fifteen percent up on where they were five years ago,

1914
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Speaker 7: so you know, a little bit of good news there.

1915
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Speaker 7: But it does mean that the valuations that people receive

1916
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Speaker 7: in July are going to be significantly lower than what

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Speaker 7: they were in that last valuation.

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Speaker 3: So what is it going to do in terms of,

1919
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Speaker 3: like I think everybody's expecting, yay, my rates increase or

1920
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Speaker 3: the amount that I pay in rates is going to

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Speaker 3: go down?

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Speaker 5: Is it?

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Speaker 17: Though?

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Speaker 7: No, And this is a really interesting thing because people

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01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 7: don't understand really important to understand that when the whole

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Speaker 7: point of the RBS is for the council to determine

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01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 7: on average, what it can charge your household by way

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Speaker 7: of rates to fund the various service as a council

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Speaker 7: provides to the city. So that amount doesn't change whatever

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Speaker 7: it is it is. So if there's a decrease in

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Speaker 7: your valuation and that decreases roughly the same as other

1932
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Speaker 7: houses in your neighborhood, then your rates are going to

1933
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Speaker 7: stay wherever they would have been anyway. It's not going

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Speaker 7: to make any difference to them whatsoever. Conversely, if there's

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Speaker 7: an increase in the increase is consistent with the other

1936
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Speaker 7: houses in your neighborhood the same appliance. So just because

1937
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Speaker 7: your rates go down doesn't mean that you're sorry. Just

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Speaker 7: because your health price doesn't go down and your evaluation

1939
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Speaker 7: doesn't go down, listen, it doesn't necessarily mean that your

1940
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Speaker 7: rates are going to go down as well. It's to

1941
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Speaker 7: do with what's happening in the city as a whole,

1942
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Speaker 7: not what's happening to your individual value, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: What are they actually taking into account? Actually, I mean,

1944
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Speaker 3: obviously they're taking in into account anything that you do

1945
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Speaker 3: to add value, like should you add an extra room

1946
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Speaker 3: or a dowage or a pool or whatever.

1947
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Speaker 7: But what else, Well, I'm probably the wrong person to

1948
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Speaker 7: us because I'm quite cynical about the as a tool

1949
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Speaker 7: for anything other than setting rates. So as a way

1950
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Speaker 7: of council setting rates, they're a great tool, really good

1951
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Speaker 7: and relatively in expensive. Wave of councils determining what they

1952
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Speaker 7: can charge an individual household. It's a way of determining

1953
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Speaker 7: what your house is worth. I've been of the view

1954
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Speaker 7: for a long time. They're not much better than toilet paper.

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Speaker 7: And the reason I say that is because nobody comes

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Speaker 7: to your home. Nobody looks at your innovations, and nobody

1957
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Speaker 7: looks to see what condition your homes, and nobody looks

1958
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Speaker 7: to see if you've made an extension to your home.

1959
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Speaker 7: All they are doing is looking at what your last

1960
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Speaker 7: valuation was, what the changes in the market have been.

1961
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Speaker 7: They stick a fewer logarithms than they're based on some

1962
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Speaker 7: assumptions that they make and volor they come up with

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Speaker 7: a number, So you know, real estate agents tend to

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Speaker 7: use them as a way of determining what houses are

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Speaker 7: actually worth. I'm pretty cynical about that because they're really not.

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Speaker 7: And when you look at what houses are selling for

1967
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Speaker 7: relative to even fresh Harvey straight after it it's been issued,

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Speaker 7: they tends to be quite a big disconnect. So I

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Speaker 7: wouldn't be too concerned about what your v says relative

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Speaker 7: to what your house is actually worth.

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Speaker 3: Ashley, it's good to talk to you. Thank you about

1972
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Speaker 3: you look after yourself. Ashley Church, property commentator, Heather, you

1973
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Speaker 3: should talk to the Value of General who is responsible

1974
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Speaker 3: for the delay in the RV's that's a good tip,

1975
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Speaker 3: thank you. It was delayed by about a year from

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Speaker 3: what I can see.

1977
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Speaker 5: Was it a year?

1978
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Speaker 3: It felt like a year anyway. By the way, Nichola

1979
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Speaker 3: Willis is definitely not going to back off on the

1980
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Speaker 3: supermarkets like I suggested she should. I've been suggesting it

1981
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 3: now for a few working days, but she's not going to.

1982
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Speaker 3: She says supermarkets are next. She says, once she's dealt

1983
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 3: with the budget, she's going to turn her attention to

1984
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Speaker 3: the supermarket sector. She's met with a bunch of major

1985
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 3: supermarket chains and smaller people and now they're putting together

1986
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Speaker 3: the proposals off the back of all of the recommendations,

1987
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Speaker 3: and then they're going to know what what the next

1988
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Speaker 3: steps are and then they're going to tell us eighteen

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Speaker 3: away from seven.

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Speaker 5: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather, due to c Ellen with the business hour

1992
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Speaker 1: and mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future,

1993
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Speaker 1: these talks that'd be Remember how.

1994
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Speaker 3: Was telling you that somebody was heckling Winston saying your bollocks,

1995
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Speaker 3: and Winston was saying you look like bollocks. I've got

1996
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Speaker 3: an update on that for you, so hang on. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to get to it shortly. It's quarter to seven

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Speaker 3: in de Brady are UK correspondents with us ainda.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Heather, I'm loving the language. Wouldn't get away with

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Speaker 10: that over here?

2001
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Speaker 3: Well, we get away with a lot worse. You should

2002
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Speaker 3: go away and google New Zealand C word column and

2003
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 3: see what happened a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: wild over here in the entipities.

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Speaker 6: Hey.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a reason they sent us away from

2007
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Speaker 3: the Motherland because they well can't handle this behavior. Hey,

2008
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 3: tell me what you think of this EU deal. Is

2009
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Speaker 3: it a win?

2010
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 15: I think it is.

2011
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Speaker 10: I think it's very good news. And look for me.

2012
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Speaker 10: I think it's the end of Little Britain. That experiment

2013
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 10: is dead. It has not worked. The people we had

2014
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 10: running around saying that this little island in a world

2015
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 10: that is so globally connected for trade because of its

2016
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Speaker 10: history and heritage, that one little island could stand alone

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Speaker 10: against the world. There aren't too many people nowadays who

2018
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Speaker 10: put their hands up to saying that they voted for Brexit.

2019
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Speaker 10: It has been an unmitigated catastrophe economically, financially and on

2020
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Speaker 10: a human level for every person in the UK with

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01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:31,919
Speaker 10: a British passport. So look, Starmer is beginning the process

2022
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 10: of Britain rejoining the European Union. I confidently predict within

2023
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 10: a decade Britain will be back in Europe and this

2024
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 10: reset is badly needed. He's doing deal after deal after deal.

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01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 10: We saw India last week, the United States and now

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01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 10: this EU deal. And I think for anyone who has

2027
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Speaker 10: any doubts, once they get on a plane and land

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Speaker 10: in Europe this summer on their summer holidays and they're

2029
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Speaker 10: using the EU eGates and speeding through border control, I

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Speaker 10: think that is a win for everyone because it's just

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Speaker 10: intolerable at the moment for people with UK passports.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about the situation with Gary Lineka,

2033
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 3: because I imagine you're a fan, being a football man.

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01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 10: I count him as a friend. I am a fan

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01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 10: of his work and I think he has done the

2036
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 10: right thing. He has spoken out. Look, I make no

2037
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 10: bones about the fact that you know he says that

2038
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 10: he didn't see the rat emoji on what he put

2039
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 10: on Instagram last week. That's for other people to believe

2040
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 10: him or judge. All I see is a very kind, compassionate,

2041
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 10: decent man raising his voice and speaking out at a

2042
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 10: time when we've seen fifty five thousand women and children

2043
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,679
Speaker 10: bomb to bits. Two point four million people in Gaza

2044
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 10: are being starved and at risk of famine right now,

2045
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 10: nobody can defend what Israel is doing. Yes, Israel has

2046
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 10: a right to defend itself. Yes, what happened on October

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01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 10: the seventh was appalling. But this has gone on far,

2048
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 10: far too long. And Gary Lineker standing up and speaking out.

2049
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Speaker 10: I have no problem of what he has said. He'll

2050
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 10: be a huge loss for the BBC. Yeah, I think

2051
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 10: history will judge people who have said nothing. And just

2052
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 10: for the record, Heather, I've run two marathons this year

2053
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 10: and I've run every kilometer with the Palestinian flag and

2054
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 10: I will keep doing it.

2055
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 3: I mean, the problem is not so much and I

2056
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 3: take your point, and the problem is not so much

2057
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 3: that he spoke out about this. It's actually I mean,

2058
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 3: if this was just the one thing that he'd done,

2059
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 3: he might have escaped the sanction. But he's felt that

2060
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 3: he's had to have an opinion on a lot of things,

2061
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 3: isn't he?

2062
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 5: Yes?

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01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 10: And look, an awful lot of people do have opinions

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01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 10: on a lot of things, and they get given radio

2065
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 10: programs like yours and others and my TV show.

2066
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 3: Yea, because its that's literally their job. But he's the

2067
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,839
Speaker 3: football guy. That's the problem, isn't.

2068
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 5: It he is.

2069
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 10: But he's a football guy with a social conscience. And look,

2070
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 10: if they want robots, if they want AI presenters, yeah,

2071
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 10: that's the way things will go in the future. But

2072
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 10: I think he's a big, big loss.

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01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 3: But now tell me something, because you'll know the detail here.

2074
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,600
Speaker 3: I've been told that the problem here is actually that

2075
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 3: it's a breach of his contract because he signed a

2076
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 3: contract that said he was going to stop doing the

2077
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 3: social media stuff and then he did it again.

2078
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 10: Yes, so look, the director general, what I would say

2079
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 10: to him is, never mind about people signing social media

2080
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 10: contracts and you can't tweet this and you can't say that.

2081
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 10: Hugh Edwards, who left the BBC in utter disgrace, still

2082
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 10: owes them four hundred thousand dollars in wages that they

2083
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 10: paid him after he was arrested for having child porn

2084
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 10: on a telephone. So you know, the BBC just gets

2085
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 10: itself in all sorts of nuts. Out of all the

2086
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 10: people who've left the BBC, Gary Lineker can leave it

2087
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 10: with his head held high. He is a phenomenal human being.

2088
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 10: Last time I bumped into him the airport a few

2089
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 10: months ago, he was on his way to Rome to

2090
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 10: receive an International Humanitarian award. That's what they give him

2091
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 10: in Italy. In England they give him abuse.

2092
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 3: And it's always good to talk to you. I appreciate

2093
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 3: your perspective on things. It's in the Brady, our UK correspondent. Right, sir,

2094
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 3: Do you remember how I told you at the start

2095
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,639
Speaker 3: of the program about Winnie Pee being heckled by old

2096
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 3: mate who was like that's bollocks, whinny and when he

2097
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 3: was like, you're bot you look like bollocks And then

2098
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 3: he was like you're eighty years old now Whennie and

2099
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 3: he was like, oh you're older than me, mate, and

2100
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 3: he was like naf off and no, you naf off?

2101
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 5: Whennie?

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that? Okay? Well, unfortunately our friend had

2103
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 3: a lanyard around his neck and that lanyard has been

2104
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 3: used to identify that he does in fact work for

2105
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:33,600
Speaker 3: a very very very big environmental and engineering consultancy in

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01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 3: the country, and one that I would I would wager

2107
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 3: probably does a bit of business from time to time

2108
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 3: with the government. The head, I'm told just through the

2109
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 3: grapevine of said environmental and engineering consultancy, has had to

2110
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 3: call Winston Peters to apologize for one of his staffers

2111
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 3: with a lanyard around his neck, saying that what he's

2112
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 3: saying is bollocks and then saying, also my favorite moment

2113
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 3: that he licks Donald Trump's butthole. So he needs to

2114
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 3: get out of here anyway. So I look, I don't

2115
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 3: know if the mate with the lanyard and the potty

2116
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 3: mouth is going to he did actually escalate his swearing. Now,

2117
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 3: I've got to be honest with you. It wasn't all

2118
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 3: just kind of juvenile, because it was a bit at

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01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 3: the very end where I think he might have dropped

2120
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Speaker 3: an F bomb. I mean, that's okay now, right right,

2121
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:22,560
Speaker 3: because because you know, senior reporters drop sea bombs, so

2122
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 3: what's an F bomb between friends? But maybe this engineering

2123
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:29,560
Speaker 3: consultancy's got higher standards than our friends at stuff, and

2124
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 3: they've apologized for it, and maybe things will go away now,

2125
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 3: which I suspect is what's going to happen. But heads up,

2126
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 3: and just a tip to all the boomers out there

2127
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 3: and anybody else who wants to do a bit of heckling,

2128
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 3: take your work lanyard off, because otherwise, well it was

2129
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 3: a boomer ants and it's like an ethically boomer.

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01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 11: I just remember looking at the video and I was like, wow,

2131
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 11: that's a lanyard. That's a clearly branded lanyard. Yeah, take

2132
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 11: it off. This is I'm not surprised if you're going to.

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Speaker 3: Do your heckling, take it off, stick it in your

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01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 3: back pocket. Then you do your heckling. Also, maybe cover

2135
01:35:58,800 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 3: your face.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well maybe cover your face it we're a bella

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01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 11: clapor and then you know they'll definitely what you approach.

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01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,160
Speaker 11: The deputy preaphalist are worrying about.

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Speaker 3: You know, we can we can reverse look like, we

2140
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 3: can take a photo of you, stick it in the

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01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 3: AI now and go who is this person? They'll find

2142
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 3: you and then we'll know who you are. So anyway,

2143
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Speaker 3: cover your face even better? Idea? How about this? Okay,

2144
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Speaker 3: don't heckle? Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future, youth

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Speaker 1: talks eNB.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but could you please cap off the day with

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Speaker 3: Jacinder's speech to remind us of the disaster of the

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Speaker 3: left wing. You are awesome, thank you. We look we

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Speaker 3: did the speech yesterday. But today what I was going

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Speaker 3: to do was I was going to play you some

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Speaker 3: of the trailer for her movie, which actually, weirdly it

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Speaker 3: says a lot of the same stuff as her speech does,

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Speaker 3: Like she references a dumpster fire in the trailer and

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Speaker 3: in the speech, she references her imposter syndrome in the

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Speaker 3: trailer and in the speech, and I was going to

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Speaker 3: play and then Laura the Germans said no, absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: It was enough for everybody yesterday. You're not to do it,

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Speaker 3: and so I have been told. So I was behaving

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Speaker 3: myself a little bit of anyway, Thanks for the idea.

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Speaker 3: You and I think the same. Did you know, by

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Speaker 3: the way, before I let you go, Netflix has a

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Speaker 3: bunch of secret codes. So basically what it is is

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Speaker 3: secret codes that can be used to look for specific

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Speaker 3: genres of movies. If you really love, let's say, vampire

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Speaker 3: movies or something, you can use this code to find them.

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Speaker 3: But you can only do it when you're using it

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Speaker 3: on the browser right, not the app. You can't do

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Speaker 3: it on your phone, can't do it on your TV,

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Speaker 3: but you could do it on the laptop. So, for example,

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Speaker 3: the code for comedy is six five four eight. You

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Speaker 3: don't need to write this down, you could just google it.

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Speaker 3: Six five four eight. There's codes for musical comedies, dark comedies,

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Speaker 3: political comedies, satire, screwball, slapstick, deep sea horror movies has

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Speaker 3: its own code four five zero two eight, Witchcraft in

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Speaker 3: the Dark arts eight one five five two oh for

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Speaker 3: six feel good sports movies for ages eight to ten.

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Speaker 3: Like this is how specific it's getting eight five five

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Speaker 3: nineteen minute movies. That's that's a bit of me. Eight

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Speaker 3: one four sixty six one ninety four. There's six degrees

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Speaker 3: of Kevin Bacon has a code eight one six one

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Speaker 3: four ninety five nine, and then a very demure, very

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Speaker 3: mindful selection also has its own code eight one nine

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Speaker 3: three one two three nine. There are thirty six thousand codes.

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Speaker 3: If you had to look up what would you look up?

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Speaker 5: Ants?

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Speaker 11: Well, I'm just kind of confused. Why the really smart

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Speaker 11: people at Silicon Valley who run Netflix can't just make

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Speaker 11: it that I can just search six degrees of Kevin

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Speaker 11: Bacon into the search bar and then it'll Why do

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Speaker 11: I have to look up a code and then search

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Speaker 11: that code? If you have a code that represents a

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Speaker 11: specific thing, why can't I just search for that thing?

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Speaker 3: And HP point that's a really good point.

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Speaker 11: I don't know, but yeah, probably, but yeah, probably movies

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Speaker 11: about dinosaurs.

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Speaker 3: It's probably, oh hither, I'm pretty darn and pressed with

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Speaker 3: ANSWER's knowledge of the dinosaurs. So what does he know

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Speaker 3: about Winston muzz.

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Speaker 11: Yes, very good, you get it. Yeah, very nice? Carry on,

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Speaker 11: Look what Look What You Made Me Do? By Taylor

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Speaker 11: Swift to play us out tonight here that this is

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Speaker 11: probably one of the last times on zid Be you'll

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Speaker 11: hear this version of Look What You Made Me Do?

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Speaker 11: Because Look What You Made Me Do is off Reputation,

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Speaker 11: which is one of the two albums of her first

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Speaker 11: six that she hasn't done a re record of yet.

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Speaker 11: But the new episode of The Handmaid's Tale just came

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Speaker 11: out in the US and in that there's a scene

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Speaker 11: with this song, but it's not the song. It's a

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Speaker 11: new version of this. How do you know that? Well,

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Speaker 11: because I'm just reading about it on the internet.

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Speaker 3: But it sounds exactly the same.

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Speaker 11: Well no, well this one sounds exactly the same. But

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Speaker 11: the Taylor Swifties they've all said no, no, that's a

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Speaker 11: new version. So this is going sign that reputation. The

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Speaker 11: re release is coming out later to see her. There

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Speaker 11: you go. But it sounds exactly the same, doesn't you've

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Speaker 11: heard it?

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Speaker 3: She does the re records, they're exactly the same.

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Speaker 11: They are not exactly the same. They sound nothing like. Well,

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Speaker 11: they don't sound nothing alike.

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Speaker 3: I thought they were exactly the same. Okay, see tomorrow, Bye,

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Speaker 3: you do look what you just made me do?

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