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Speaker 2: How are you New Zealanders that are great? Or shall

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Speaker 2: I put that another way, you're great New Zealand as

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Matt and Tyler Afternoons Full Show Podcast number

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Speaker 2: one two seven for the nineteenth of May twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Really good show today. We've got a big name that

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Speaker 2: rang through and complimented us on our punishing chat around

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Speaker 2: around speeding fleuged people fleeing the cops, why do people

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Speaker 2: flee the cops? And people just admitting to shocking behavior

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Speaker 2: bringing up and admitting to shocking dangerous dukes of hazard

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Speaker 2: type behavior in Australian muscle cars. Then we went we

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Speaker 2: talked for a long time about the brain parasite that

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Speaker 2: is toxoplasmosis and a really serious issue in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: and we talked to an expert expert on it on

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Speaker 2: how you can protect yourself from toxoplasmosis. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 2: really interesting chat. And then we go even the doggy

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Speaker 2: doggie bags for the week.

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Speaker 3: So had it all really?

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Speaker 2: And give a taste a Kiwi.

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Speaker 1: All right, the big stories, the big issues, the big

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Speaker 1: trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talk said.

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Speaker 3: The very good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show

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Speaker 3: Monday afternoon. Fantastic to have your company, as always, Get

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Speaker 3: a Mattes.

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Speaker 2: Get a Tyler Goode, all your great New Zealanders. As always,

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Speaker 2: we've curated a very fine three hours of radio for you.

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Speaker 3: Have We want you lucky, lucky people. But just before

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Speaker 3: we get onto that, you sent through a bit of

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Speaker 3: a photo over the weekend mat of doing some shopping.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So in a previous life life, I

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Speaker 2: and I was out and about and forgot that I

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Speaker 2: to Buttings. This chat isn't sponsored by Buttings, by the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's no Bunnings money here. But I having to go

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Speaker 2: to Bunnings wearing my butting shirt and was looking down

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Speaker 2: the aisles and totally forgot that I was wearing my

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Speaker 2: I look like a handy man that you just asked questions?

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Speaker 2: And then it struck me, I'm wearing the Butting stuff,

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad, that's what I was going to ask you.

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Speaker 3: Did you actually give the advice rather than say I

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Speaker 2: You talking about? It was a totally total, total stolen,

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Speaker 2: vallous situation where I just acted like a Bunnings employee

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Speaker 2: and so someone's probably going to be destroying their house

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Speaker 2: Yep, got the paint? Okay, good, all my stuff paint? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's so cool that thing that you do

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Speaker 3: And just shopping up Bunnings. It's like an adult playground,

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Speaker 3: I can spend a lot of money there too. Onto

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Speaker 3: today's show after three o'clock. Doggie bags at restaurants, More

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Speaker 3: Should you do it in the first place?

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Speaker 2: It's shameful. Just eat it. If you've ordered it, eat it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I absolutely love it. I'll doggy bag someone

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Speaker 3: That is the chat after three o'clock. After two o'clock,

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Speaker 2: Are you taking your life into your hands having a cat?

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Speaker 2: If you have a cat, do you think about toxoplasmosis?

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Speaker 3: It takes control of the mouse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just makes them behave crazily and I think

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Speaker 3: Well appears you are certainly sight into your hands. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Why do people run from the police? That sounds like

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Speaker 2: be just interesting to hear the psychology of it. Also,

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Speaker 3: Would look for that. Most of the cops would police

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Speaker 2: Look, here's the Texas just come through. Pursuits were awesome

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Speaker 2: That's right. So people have to know that if you run,

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Speaker 3: Right, and even more so in a place like christ

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, because more people think they can do it,

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Speaker 2: but can they do it? Can you get away? Can

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty And what do you think

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Speaker 2: you attempted it and it blew up on your face?

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: You can also text through if you want nine two

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Speaker 3: ninety two but keen to hear from you. It is

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoon to you. It is sixteen

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Speaker 3: past one and we're talking about police purshoots. Another pretty

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Speaker 3: dramatic police shoot on Saturday night, just the latest. There

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Speaker 3: are often very dramatic police purshoots. So we want to

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Speaker 3: hear from you if you have managed to evade police

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Speaker 3: after being fleshed or given that we siren for half

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Speaker 3: a second and you decided to try and see if

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Speaker 3: you get away. Love to hear from you and no,

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Speaker 3: one hundred.

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Speaker 2: You can't get away, can you?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I never would, I'd never try it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you probably would, Tyler. You're well, you're a sort of

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Speaker 3: Here's a scenario, right for most people listening out there,

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Speaker 3: Maybe, But if they didn't see you go down that

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Speaker 3: And can we just get a dang every time Matt

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Mike, You've you've gapped it on

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Speaker 2: So how did that? How did this? How did this

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so North Auckland. I was heading south down one

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Speaker 7: But I had the advantage. Yeah, I was running Australian,

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Speaker 2: Wow. At that point, sorry, Mike, At that point when

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Speaker 7: Either way, They're taking my car and I'm getting locked up.

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Speaker 7: So the new rules have change. The fines are excessive,

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Speaker 3: So you were going more than fifty k over the

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Correct? Correct?

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Speaker 2: Do you think how do you feel about speeding? Do

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Speaker 7: Well? No, no, no, no, no no, that was actually

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Speaker 7: I've been driving cars and driving sometimes the car is

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Speaker 2: So when you say that the police officers saw you

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Speaker 7: Ah, that's where you've got to realize that static camera

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Speaker 2: Oh right, man, it sounds like you're across this issue.

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Speaker 2: So do you think what do you think you're doing?

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Speaker 7: I did study it after after that encounter. I did

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so do you think what do you think

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Speaker 7: No, No, that's what I'm saying that Actually you don't

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Speaker 2: Right. Whether you whether you're under the influence or not, Mike,

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Speaker 7: I would say, in some aspects of us depending on

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Speaker 2: What kind of carrier you're driving, I.

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Speaker 7: Won't mentioned because it's a limited limited. Yeah, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to mention that, just as Australia muscle cars.

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Speaker 7: So it's between the holding and the forwarded range, right right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, why wouldn't you, Mike, if you want to

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Speaker 7: No, no, this this is just a one off. It's

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Speaker 2: Is it a falcon?

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Speaker 8: And I was just.

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Speaker 7: I've got both in the camp. I've got both and

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Speaker 3: So no, no, Well I've got to say, I mean, one,

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Speaker 7: No no, no, But you've got to understand that you're evaluating,

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Speaker 7: empting everything, you're actually okay. But like I say, too

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Speaker 9: You've got to be in.

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Speaker 7: Control of the situation, whether you're going ten k's over

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, you've got to be.

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Speaker 7: In control of the situation and your destiny and the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I guess Mike, some people would say that

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Speaker 2: if you're running from the cops, they would question with

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, this textas says you d heads teaching people

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Speaker 2: how to run from the cops. Very irresponsible. No, that's

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Speaker 2: not what tap me here. We'd discs call that a lesson.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's we're discussing the issue. And I think

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Speaker 2: it's important to see mindsets in society. E. One hundred

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Speaker 2: Why do people do it?

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Speaker 4: Yep?

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Speaker 2: cunning scam is taking advantage of vulnerable New Zealanders.

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Speaker 2: So what does that mean, Tyler?

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: Find listens in the studio. Let's get back to the

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Speaker 11: budget without giving it away. I get all of that,

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Speaker 11: hundreds of millions of dollars for the film industry. Fantastic.

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Speaker 11: You've got money yesterday for Regent.

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Speaker 2: Where's it all coming from?

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Speaker 11: We have said very clearly that we can invest in

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Speaker 11: economic growth. Well, it's either borrowed or you've got it

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Speaker 11: from somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Which is it?

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Speaker 11: Well again, I'm not going to get why can't you

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Speaker 11: give us that part?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 11: We're making some serious investments now.

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Speaker 2: I know you're making read but I want to know

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Speaker 2: where you're getting the dough from and that will be

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Speaker 2: revealed on because if you're borrowing it, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to be happy next week.

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Speaker 11: Well that's fine, we'll have that conversation next week. Week

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Speaker 11: we're week so you are borrowing, I say, we're borrowing.

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Speaker 11: I'm not going to give you a kick on this,

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Speaker 11: and it's going to be a very frustrating interview for

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Speaker 11: your listeners. Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking

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Speaker 3: News Talks ed ZP. It is twenty nine past one.

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Speaker 3: There's been a heck of a lot of feedback from Mike.

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Speaker 2: What an idiot, Mike, and doesn't sound young. Go to

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Speaker 2: Australia and see what happens to you. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: the Australian cops. They'll whop a gun out pretty quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they certainly will. Now tell you.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting Mike because he is fifty nine. In that

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Speaker 2: caller that was telling us about running away from the cops.

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Speaker 2: I think it was three months ago. Yeah, so you know,

441
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Speaker 2: normally you calm down by the time, but by the

442
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Speaker 2: time you're fifty nine.

443
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Speaker 3: But a big backlash towards Mike. But look, he was

444
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Speaker 3: brave enough to call in, and so yeah, who was

445
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Speaker 3: listening to that conversation? Police Minister Mark Mitchell who joins

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Speaker 3: us now, Mark, very good.

447
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Speaker 12: Afternoons you and guys that I called in because I

448
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Speaker 12: was listening to this. I'm on the way to a

449
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Speaker 12: Bravery's Awards ceremonial government house for our police officers and

450
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Speaker 12: I just thought you guys handled that very very well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks good.

452
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Speaker 12: Nailed the message, which is which is be compliant. So

453
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Speaker 12: I just couldn't believe he was gone on that I'm

454
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Speaker 12: a good driver and you know.

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Speaker 6: All the rest of it.

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Speaker 13: In trying to justify it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who loves that you're on the case now?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 12: I like the way you guys.

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Speaker 14: Said, can you describe you there?

461
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Speaker 3: You'll be doing that almost.

462
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Speaker 2: What is the current situation now, because we don't have

463
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Speaker 2: a specific If I'm right that didn't happen, that there's

464
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Speaker 2: a specific offense fleeing from the police. You know that

465
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Speaker 2: on top of what you're doing. Is that correct?

466
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Speaker 12: Look, I'd have to check that.

467
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Speaker 2: I think there is a.

468
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Speaker 12: Farning to stop offense for someone that doesn't stop for police.

469
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Speaker 12: So yes, there is a there is a specific offense

470
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Speaker 12: for that. But I mean you know that the reality

471
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Speaker 12: of it is our police officers are out there to

472
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Speaker 12: keep our roads safe. We're in a pretty good space

473
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Speaker 12: at the mombers of their country. Our road toll is

474
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Speaker 12: coming down. And the reality of is that when people

475
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Speaker 12: leave home, they want to get home safely at the

476
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Speaker 12: end of the day, and the police are out there

477
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Speaker 12: to try and make sure that happens.

478
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Speaker 3: Yeah, on the police pursue policy, Mark has that made

479
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Speaker 3: a discernible difference when that was changed I believe in

480
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Speaker 3: mid twenty twenty three.

481
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Speaker 12: Yeah, so it's very operational, But yes, I think It

482
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Speaker 12: has made a big difference because you've reintroduced that deterrent

483
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Speaker 12: factor again, where offenders were out there sort of acting

484
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Speaker 12: with impunity knowing the police were going to respond. And

485
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Speaker 12: I think now they know that they do and the

486
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Speaker 12: police are still very cautious around that. They still have

487
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Speaker 12: full operational discretion in terms of whether they continue as

488
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Speaker 12: pursuit or pull out of it, but they've got that

489
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Speaker 12: ability to be able to make those decisions again, and

490
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Speaker 12: I think that was an important step in the right direction.

491
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Speaker 2: Of course, it's your job to think of the bigger picture,

492
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Speaker 2: but when it comes to us, do we need to

493
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Speaker 2: think about that bigger picture. Maybe the risk of chasing

494
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Speaker 2: now is high in that incident, but the risk of

495
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Speaker 2: police not chasing is also high as the it gets

496
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Speaker 2: out that you can give it a go if you

497
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Speaker 2: see it.

498
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Speaker 12: Very fine balance. It's a very fine balance, and our

499
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Speaker 12: police officers are making those decisions hundreds of times a

500
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Speaker 12: day and they generally always.

501
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Speaker 2: Get it right.

502
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Speaker 12: But there's a lot of stuff that you know that

503
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Speaker 12: they don't control. These are often and they have to

504
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Speaker 12: weighut public safety. But there has to be at a

505
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Speaker 12: turn effect. If we lived in a society where there

506
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Speaker 12: was no consequences, then everyone just be running right. So,

507
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Speaker 12: you know, it's a really hard one. But look, we've

508
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Speaker 12: got a world class police force. They get a lot

509
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Speaker 12: of training in their decision making, they have that discretion,

510
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Speaker 12: They are very careful. But I think they were in

511
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Speaker 12: a good place at the moment around the pursuit policy.

512
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Speaker 2: Now this might sound flippant, but if I was a

513
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Speaker 2: police officer, and maybe this is why I'm not a

514
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Speaker 2: police officer, but I would I would find a police

515
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Speaker 2: chase pretty fun. I mean getting to do it. I

516
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Speaker 2: mean that must be when you get to put the

517
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Speaker 2: siren on and chase someone, must be good for morale

518
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Speaker 2: when you actually get to do it in a safe fashion.

519
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Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest, it must be pretty fun.

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Speaker 12: Look, I think most police officers, in fact, i'd probably

521
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Speaker 12: say all police officers join because they want to protect

522
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Speaker 12: the communities that they're in. I think that now with

523
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Speaker 12: these high powered vehicles and our police officers are our

524
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Speaker 12: front line, are acutely aware of the risks around police pursuits.

525
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Speaker 12: They don't want to put public at at you know,

526
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Speaker 12: it added risk. However, they've also very constantly the fact

527
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Speaker 12: that there's got to be a deterrent effect effect, and

528
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Speaker 12: we ended up in this place a few years ago

529
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Speaker 12: where we just had rempant crime with stolen vehicles failing

530
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Speaker 12: to stop operating with impunity. And if we want to

531
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Speaker 12: have an ordered society, then the police have to have

532
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Speaker 12: the ability to be able to deal with that.

533
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're talking to Mark Mitchell, New Zealand Minister

534
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Speaker 2: of Police. Are the scoters fast enough? Mark?

535
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Speaker 6: I don't know when I heard the Giddess Goods.

536
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Speaker 12: I've have to admit I did take a second take.

537
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Speaker 12: But the feed deck I have is they're very very

538
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Speaker 12: good and our police officers like operating them here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well brilliant. Thank you so much for calling in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great to chat with you. And you said you're

541
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Speaker 3: off to the Bravery Bravery Awards.

542
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Speaker 2: Is that right?

543
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Speaker 3: Yes I am.

544
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Speaker 12: I'm heading up to Gumman House now. So I was

545
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Speaker 12: just listening to the radio and I just thought you

546
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Speaker 12: guys handled it call so well that I just wanted

547
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Speaker 12: to ring in and say thank you.

548
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Speaker 3: No, very good, thank you very much for chatting with us. Mark,

549
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Speaker 3: that is police Minister Mark Mitchell. But ken you hear

550
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Speaker 3: from you? Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is

551
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Speaker 3: the number to call. Headlines with Raylene coming up.

552
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Speaker 5: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis It's

553
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Speaker 5: no trouble with a blue bubble. The energy sector is

554
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Speaker 5: sounding the alarm over a twenty percent quarterly decline in

555
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Speaker 5: our natural gas production year on year. Demand has remained

556
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Speaker 5: constant and users for major price hikes when contracts are renewed.

557
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Speaker 5: Former US President Joe Biden's newly discovered prostate cancer is

558
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Speaker 5: likely to be treatable because it's hormone sensitive, but it's

559
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Speaker 5: very aggressive and not curable. Confirmation into Islanders only rail

560
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Speaker 5: enabled ship at A Teddy will stop crossing the Cook

561
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Speaker 5: Strait in August, with demolition beginning on its Picton wharf

562
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Speaker 5: as soon as October. It'll make way for infrastructure for

563
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Speaker 5: new Fairies due and twenty twenty nine criticism over Foodstuff's

564
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Speaker 5: North Island's basket price comparison, which found pack and Save

565
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Speaker 5: cheaper than local and overseas retailers but didn't include local

566
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Speaker 5: New Worlds people are back living in an encampment in

567
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Speaker 5: Dunedin's Oval, just over a week since a fire ripped

568
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Speaker 5: through the makeshift homeless camp. We don't need a new

569
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Speaker 5: health service. We need to invest in the current one.

570
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Speaker 5: You can see the full column at Enzend Herald Premium.

571
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Speaker 5: Back to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Just a colonel, never meaning no harm, it's all you

573
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Speaker 2: never saw bobble With the loss of TV.

574
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Speaker 3: News talks, he'd be welcome back into the show. Twenty

575
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Speaker 3: two to turn. We're talking about police prosuots on the

576
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Speaker 3: back of quite a dramatic one on Saturday night. But

577
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Speaker 3: we've asked the question, have you ever tried to evade

578
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Speaker 3: police if you've been flashed or been asked to pull over?

579
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Speaker 3: And why why do people try and escape the police?

580
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing that people still do because I mean,

581
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Speaker 2: particularly in the cities, as I said before, with helicopters

582
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Speaker 2: good luck, Yeah, CCTV footage and stuff. I mean I'd

583
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Speaker 2: love to see the percentages of people that get away

584
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Speaker 2: with it. Yeah, not a lot. I wouldn't say all that.

585
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Speaker 2: Mike bring him before and he reckon he'd had some

586
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Speaker 2: success if you can call it that.

587
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Speaker 3: Yeah, plenty of texts coming through, still a lot of

588
00:26:52,253 --> 00:26:55,373
Speaker 3: people having to go at Mike our first caller, and

589
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Speaker 3: we also heard from the police Minister Mark Mitchell, who

590
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Speaker 3: won it was quite nice when he said we did

591
00:27:01,573 --> 00:27:05,333
Speaker 3: a good job talking to Mike. But also as police minister,

592
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Speaker 3: of course he had to say that the message is,

593
00:27:07,613 --> 00:27:09,253
Speaker 3: of course you don't run from the police.

594
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, some post people text things here are saying

595
00:27:11,653 --> 00:27:15,052
Speaker 2: that police police chases are not fun experience for police,

596
00:27:15,533 --> 00:27:19,293
Speaker 2: and just because they would be like, police do the

597
00:27:19,413 --> 00:27:22,453
Speaker 2: absolute right thing, right, And I know that their policy

598
00:27:22,733 --> 00:27:27,853
Speaker 2: is t r te R threat, Exposure, necessity and risk.

599
00:27:27,973 --> 00:27:29,933
Speaker 2: So when it comes to a chase, they go threat

600
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Speaker 2: and they they analyze the threat and the potential exposure

601
00:27:33,933 --> 00:27:38,213
Speaker 2: caused posed by the vehicle occupants, necessary necessity to immediately

602
00:27:38,213 --> 00:27:41,213
Speaker 2: apprehend the driver and or passages, and the ongoing risk

603
00:27:41,613 --> 00:27:44,693
Speaker 2: of harm. So they definitely do that. But people are

604
00:27:44,733 --> 00:27:47,293
Speaker 2: allowed to enjoy their jobs, right, And so if I

605
00:27:47,373 --> 00:27:50,773
Speaker 2: was a police officer, there's no moral failing if you

606
00:27:50,853 --> 00:27:53,613
Speaker 2: get into a police chase and you get some kind

607
00:27:53,613 --> 00:27:55,653
Speaker 2: of rush by it if you're doing everything else right.

608
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Speaker 2: So if you if you have followed the the analysis

609
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Speaker 2: correctly and this chase needs to go down, absolutely nothing

610
00:28:03,173 --> 00:28:06,693
Speaker 2: wrong with enjoying it and having a few few tales

611
00:28:06,733 --> 00:28:09,453
Speaker 2: to tell, you know when you tie. Maybe put it in.

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Speaker 3: A book exactly one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

613
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Speaker 3: the number called. If you have got away a few times,

614
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Speaker 3: we'd love to hear from you, Craig. I think that

615
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Speaker 3: is you.

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Speaker 6: You have.

617
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Speaker 3: You have evaded police on a few occasions.

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Speaker 14: Yep, when I was a bit younger.

619
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and tell us under what circumstances they were, please, Craig,

620
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Speaker 2: What were you doing wrong?

621
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Speaker 14: Basically just a won on the motor bike?

622
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Speaker 2: Was going to far right and whereabouts? Was that?

623
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Speaker 14: Oh? Various places? But I did an apprenticeship in Wellington.

624
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Speaker 14: I've got chased and frequently around Wellington, usually on the motorways.

625
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Speaker 2: Do you ever get caught, Craig.

626
00:29:02,173 --> 00:29:06,933
Speaker 14: I've been caught once and I've probably gotten away at

627
00:29:07,013 --> 00:29:08,173
Speaker 14: least a dozen times.

628
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Speaker 2: And you say this was a while ago, was it, Craig?

629
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Speaker 2: How many years ago you were we talking about?

630
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Speaker 14: I blame it basically on my dad, because here's to

631
00:29:19,613 --> 00:29:22,213
Speaker 14: tell me about racing away from the cops. When I

632
00:29:22,253 --> 00:29:27,253
Speaker 14: was a young kid. Right when I got biked, I

633
00:29:27,293 --> 00:29:34,213
Speaker 14: was crazy on them. I only knew one speed basically too. Consequently,

634
00:29:34,293 --> 00:29:37,653
Speaker 14: the police used to notice me and cheating me around.

635
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Speaker 2: How do you feel about that now, Craig? And those

636
00:29:40,933 --> 00:29:42,373
Speaker 2: those risks that you took back then.

637
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Speaker 14: Well, I'm naturally very grateful that I never had any

638
00:29:48,053 --> 00:29:51,053
Speaker 14: kind of collision with anybody, because I know I would

639
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Speaker 14: have felt really terrible if I injured somebody.

640
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Speaker 3: Just motorcyclist in general, Craig, do you think they do

641
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Speaker 3: speed more than than regular drivers.

642
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Speaker 14: Well, motorcycles, especially modern discycles, have a very high performance potential,

643
00:30:12,693 --> 00:30:16,933
Speaker 14: so they can achieve very high speeds very easily.

644
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I was just, you know, walking home

645
00:30:22,293 --> 00:30:24,253
Speaker 2: the other night, and I came across a very very

646
00:30:24,293 --> 00:30:26,133
Speaker 2: cool bike and I was looking at it was a

647
00:30:26,133 --> 00:30:27,973
Speaker 2: Triumph and I was thinking, Man, this is a cool

648
00:30:27,973 --> 00:30:31,293
Speaker 2: piece of machinery. But then it struck me how crazy

649
00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:34,653
Speaker 2: they are. Yeah, you're basically just wrapping your legs around

650
00:30:35,533 --> 00:30:40,573
Speaker 2: an engine and wicked pieces of machinery. But the level

651
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Speaker 2: of risk is quite high, high, would you say, Craig,

652
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Speaker 2: especially if you start, you know, running away from cops

653
00:30:47,173 --> 00:30:47,573
Speaker 2: and such.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

655
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Speaker 14: Well that's where it takes experience to learn how to

656
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Speaker 14: control them properly.

657
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Speaker 4: But even then.

658
00:30:55,973 --> 00:31:01,093
Speaker 14: You have that level of skill, there's still unforeseen circumstances

659
00:31:02,013 --> 00:31:04,933
Speaker 14: around the corner. There could be gravel. Yeah, they could

660
00:31:04,973 --> 00:31:08,093
Speaker 14: be a person turning around. There could be anything. So

661
00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:13,693
Speaker 14: you have to be well prepared mentally if you're going

662
00:31:13,733 --> 00:31:16,253
Speaker 14: to try going fast on a bike on the road.

663
00:31:16,493 --> 00:31:18,813
Speaker 2: What age do you think you that that sort of

664
00:31:18,813 --> 00:31:23,213
Speaker 2: realization came to you that maybe you know, running away

665
00:31:23,213 --> 00:31:26,293
Speaker 2: from cops and this speeding wasn't such a great idea.

666
00:31:28,373 --> 00:31:32,093
Speaker 14: Well, I've never really been against speed, as to say,

667
00:31:32,933 --> 00:31:37,613
Speaker 14: it's where that's what I've learned. Where do you speed?

668
00:31:38,293 --> 00:31:40,973
Speaker 14: Because when I was young, I would just go flat

669
00:31:41,013 --> 00:31:44,493
Speaker 14: out everywhere, and so I was a danger to other people.

670
00:31:45,493 --> 00:31:50,253
Speaker 14: Whereas over the years I've learned that a quiet country

671
00:31:50,253 --> 00:31:56,933
Speaker 14: back road is much more suitable. And but today, if

672
00:31:56,973 --> 00:32:01,253
Speaker 14: you tried racing the cops, now there's they got cameras

673
00:32:01,613 --> 00:32:05,253
Speaker 14: at most major intersections. There's cameras all along the motorways.

674
00:32:06,013 --> 00:32:08,693
Speaker 14: So if you try to do that, or they'll do

675
00:32:08,933 --> 00:32:11,933
Speaker 14: I'll just track you with cameras and then I'll get

676
00:32:11,933 --> 00:32:16,053
Speaker 14: the helicopter following you. Not really a good idea.

677
00:32:15,893 --> 00:32:18,093
Speaker 11: Anymore, Craig, how old are you?

678
00:32:18,093 --> 00:32:18,973
Speaker 2: If you don't mind me asking?

679
00:32:20,453 --> 00:32:22,293
Speaker 14: Fifty seven at the moment fifty.

680
00:32:22,053 --> 00:32:24,813
Speaker 2: Seven, Because so we were talking to Mark before, who

681
00:32:24,933 --> 00:32:27,813
Speaker 2: was Mike, Mike, sorry, Mike before? Who was fifty nine

682
00:32:27,853 --> 00:32:30,093
Speaker 2: and he just recently gapped it on the cops, which

683
00:32:30,093 --> 00:32:33,013
Speaker 2: seems quite old to still be doing that. Do you

684
00:32:33,093 --> 00:32:36,133
Speaker 2: think you would now if the opportunity, if it wasn't

685
00:32:36,173 --> 00:32:38,733
Speaker 2: for the cameras, and it wasn't for the fact that

686
00:32:39,053 --> 00:32:41,773
Speaker 2: you know you'll almost suddenly get caught these days, do

687
00:32:41,813 --> 00:32:45,773
Speaker 2: you think you'd think you'd flee flee at fifty seven?

688
00:32:47,413 --> 00:32:52,373
Speaker 14: Well, I hope to think not, because I'm mentually my

689
00:32:53,013 --> 00:32:55,293
Speaker 14: job as as a truck driver, so if I lose

690
00:32:55,373 --> 00:32:59,133
Speaker 14: my license and a weddy job exactly.

691
00:32:59,173 --> 00:33:01,453
Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I can't understand and good on

692
00:33:01,453 --> 00:33:04,333
Speaker 3: you're for giving us a buzz, Craig, and in your youth, yep,

693
00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:08,013
Speaker 3: maybe slightly different story then, but I can't understand why

694
00:33:08,133 --> 00:33:10,173
Speaker 3: p people who are a little bit older, a little

695
00:33:10,173 --> 00:33:13,613
Speaker 3: bit wiser, would even contemplate trying to run away from

696
00:33:13,613 --> 00:33:16,413
Speaker 3: the police, because in your instance, Craigan, for most of us,

697
00:33:16,493 --> 00:33:19,293
Speaker 3: it would ruin your life. You know arguably that if

698
00:33:19,333 --> 00:33:23,253
Speaker 3: you if you do that and you crash, then I

699
00:33:23,253 --> 00:33:26,453
Speaker 3: actually think you should do prison time for that, because

700
00:33:26,493 --> 00:33:29,133
Speaker 3: you're putting members of society at risk and yourself and

701
00:33:29,173 --> 00:33:31,733
Speaker 3: the police, and it just blows my mind that people

702
00:33:31,733 --> 00:33:32,733
Speaker 3: would even consider it.

703
00:33:34,293 --> 00:33:36,453
Speaker 14: I think that people just throw it out of panic.

704
00:33:37,093 --> 00:33:43,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, true and absolutely yeah, and then.

705
00:33:43,533 --> 00:33:46,133
Speaker 14: They don't stop and then they think, oh, no, you're

706
00:33:46,173 --> 00:33:46,933
Speaker 14: going to get in trouble.

707
00:33:47,773 --> 00:33:49,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And then you then you're in the

708
00:33:49,733 --> 00:33:51,773
Speaker 2: midst of it. And of course if you if you,

709
00:33:51,773 --> 00:33:54,613
Speaker 2: you know, as famously, people discuss that your prefrontal cortex

710
00:33:54,653 --> 00:33:57,893
Speaker 2: hasn't fully developed until you're twenty five. Yeah, so you're

711
00:33:57,893 --> 00:34:01,093
Speaker 2: not Often people aren't thinking about the future and they're

712
00:34:01,133 --> 00:34:04,373
Speaker 2: not simulating that the outcomes of what they're doing. As

713
00:34:04,413 --> 00:34:07,373
Speaker 2: Craig says, they flee and then they go, oh god,

714
00:34:08,373 --> 00:34:11,212
Speaker 2: where I am now? And of course, you know, we

715
00:34:11,373 --> 00:34:13,933
Speaker 2: started the hour talking about why people do it. Some

716
00:34:14,013 --> 00:34:16,212
Speaker 2: of them are messed out of their head, yeah, very true,

717
00:34:16,293 --> 00:34:19,453
Speaker 2: or drunk and making terrible decisions. Yeah, no logic there whatsoever,

718
00:34:19,653 --> 00:34:23,093
Speaker 2: or you know, criminal activity and they're buying themselves some

719
00:34:23,173 --> 00:34:25,693
Speaker 2: time to hif whatever's in their car out the window.

720
00:34:26,093 --> 00:34:28,733
Speaker 2: You know, there's lots of reasons why people don't do it.

721
00:34:28,773 --> 00:34:33,173
Speaker 2: But yeah, as Craigs is, there are there are cameras everywhere.

722
00:34:33,293 --> 00:34:35,693
Speaker 3: Now, yep, thank you very much for giving us a

723
00:34:35,693 --> 00:34:37,973
Speaker 3: buzz Craig oh eight one hundred eighty teen eighty is

724
00:34:38,013 --> 00:34:38,772
Speaker 3: the number to call.

725
00:34:39,293 --> 00:34:41,333
Speaker 2: The six says, I personally think if you run, you're

726
00:34:41,373 --> 00:34:44,293
Speaker 2: an idiot and deserve to be punished through it. You

727
00:34:44,613 --> 00:34:47,133
Speaker 2: put you not only your life in danger, but others.

728
00:34:47,173 --> 00:34:50,013
Speaker 2: Minele got hit at an intersection and Auckland from a

729
00:34:50,053 --> 00:34:52,693
Speaker 2: fleeing bank rubber and it changes life forever. I have

730
00:34:52,773 --> 00:34:55,253
Speaker 2: no respect or liking for running from the police.

731
00:34:55,293 --> 00:34:59,413
Speaker 3: Thanks for your text, Jeff, Yeah, it is thirteen to two.

732
00:34:59,533 --> 00:35:03,173
Speaker 1: Back in the moth the issues that affect you and

733
00:35:03,293 --> 00:35:05,453
Speaker 1: a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath and

734
00:35:05,493 --> 00:35:08,373
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk said.

735
00:35:08,093 --> 00:35:11,453
Speaker 3: The afternoon it is ten to two, Okay.

736
00:35:11,613 --> 00:35:13,533
Speaker 2: I did run from the cops once. I was driving

737
00:35:13,573 --> 00:35:16,613
Speaker 2: back from Takapuna Markets after selling plants there on a

738
00:35:16,653 --> 00:35:20,013
Speaker 2: Sunday morning, kind of plants. Cop passed me going the

739
00:35:20,053 --> 00:35:22,413
Speaker 2: other way and I saw him indicate to turn around,

740
00:35:22,453 --> 00:35:24,652
Speaker 2: and my rear view was paranoid because I thought the

741
00:35:24,693 --> 00:35:27,893
Speaker 2: iid had put a fat where on me over unpaid

742
00:35:27,933 --> 00:35:31,173
Speaker 2: tax i had no waff or regio and road users

743
00:35:31,173 --> 00:35:34,893
Speaker 2: were out Jesus, so I floored it in me old

744
00:35:35,053 --> 00:35:38,573
Speaker 2: Mitzi only to come up on queue traffic at a

745
00:35:38,653 --> 00:35:41,652
Speaker 2: roundabout shortly after, slammed on the dodgy brakes and took

746
00:35:41,693 --> 00:35:45,853
Speaker 2: out the giveaway sign, snapped it off at ground level,

747
00:35:46,173 --> 00:35:48,413
Speaker 2: then drove home sweating bullets, waiting for a cop visit

748
00:35:48,453 --> 00:35:51,373
Speaker 2: that didn't come. The adrenaline was something else, according to

749
00:35:51,413 --> 00:35:53,333
Speaker 2: this text out. Yeah, what a freaking story.

750
00:35:53,373 --> 00:35:54,413
Speaker 3: That is a hell of a story.

751
00:35:54,493 --> 00:35:56,173
Speaker 2: Surely that wasn't an episode of Jukes of has it?

752
00:35:56,293 --> 00:35:58,533
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, is it got adrenaline or bed adrenaline?

753
00:35:58,533 --> 00:35:59,813
Speaker 3: I don't know. I suppose if you got away with

754
00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:01,813
Speaker 3: it in the end, but you would be breaking it

755
00:36:01,933 --> 00:36:04,053
Speaker 3: for a few days after that, meth do you? Thank

756
00:36:04,093 --> 00:36:04,652
Speaker 3: you very much?

757
00:36:04,773 --> 00:36:06,973
Speaker 2: What's got to say? You managed to get away with.

758
00:36:06,933 --> 00:36:09,333
Speaker 3: That and take it out the giveway signs, so you

759
00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:11,253
Speaker 3: didn't even stop it trying to gap it with with

760
00:36:11,293 --> 00:36:14,773
Speaker 3: a car that was not warranted, registered or had ruck paid.

761
00:36:14,893 --> 00:36:16,652
Speaker 3: They just take out signs on your way.

762
00:36:16,773 --> 00:36:19,853
Speaker 2: But also, like if the idea after you then the

763
00:36:19,853 --> 00:36:22,453
Speaker 2: cops are running a that they don't. They don't pull

764
00:36:22,493 --> 00:36:24,172
Speaker 2: you over and do a text order on you. No,

765
00:36:24,693 --> 00:36:27,853
Speaker 2: well yeah, I'll just let's just come up. They haven't

766
00:36:27,853 --> 00:36:28,533
Speaker 2: paid your GST.

767
00:36:30,173 --> 00:36:32,173
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for that. Tig's con How you

768
00:36:32,213 --> 00:36:34,973
Speaker 3: doing get a con y?

769
00:36:36,053 --> 00:36:36,292
Speaker 6: Yeah?

770
00:36:36,333 --> 00:36:36,533
Speaker 14: Good?

771
00:36:36,813 --> 00:36:37,373
Speaker 2: Are you good?

772
00:36:37,373 --> 00:36:38,133
Speaker 3: What's your take on this?

773
00:36:40,453 --> 00:36:42,053
Speaker 15: The only thing I was going to say is that

774
00:36:42,293 --> 00:36:44,693
Speaker 15: I'm going from a pretty good source that the police

775
00:36:44,733 --> 00:36:50,013
Speaker 15: won't pursue motorbikes anymore. I'll not be sure what they

776
00:36:50,013 --> 00:36:53,533
Speaker 15: ever did or not, but apparently they don't pursue motorbikes

777
00:36:53,573 --> 00:36:56,133
Speaker 15: now or spike them for the obvious reasons.

778
00:36:56,813 --> 00:36:59,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see how spiking a fleeing bike would

779
00:36:59,933 --> 00:37:00,413
Speaker 2: go badly.

780
00:37:01,693 --> 00:37:03,493
Speaker 15: Yeah, it went knee and well on one sort.

781
00:37:03,773 --> 00:37:07,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, But for the rider though, And what is wrong

782
00:37:07,453 --> 00:37:10,652
Speaker 3: with that? If this motorcyclist is fleeing and that's the

783
00:37:10,693 --> 00:37:13,732
Speaker 3: main danger to spike, take him off and I'm saying

784
00:37:13,773 --> 00:37:15,773
Speaker 3: he here, but take him off the bike and he

785
00:37:16,213 --> 00:37:18,813
Speaker 3: will kills himself. Is that part of the deal.

786
00:37:19,933 --> 00:37:21,013
Speaker 15: Well he chose to do it.

787
00:37:21,133 --> 00:37:25,013
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Well but in te INR, which is the

788
00:37:25,053 --> 00:37:27,853
Speaker 2: threat exposure, necessity risk, that's what they put it through

789
00:37:27,853 --> 00:37:31,172
Speaker 2: this little graph of where they're going to chase. They

790
00:37:31,213 --> 00:37:33,453
Speaker 2: take on risk and harm to any person, property or

791
00:37:33,453 --> 00:37:38,253
Speaker 2: public interest, but also including the person. But you know,

792
00:37:39,373 --> 00:37:42,893
Speaker 2: I don't know if the person, if the person on

793
00:37:42,933 --> 00:37:47,333
Speaker 2: the bike was armed or something or offer or presented

794
00:37:47,453 --> 00:37:50,893
Speaker 2: a real risk to the community, not only the horrific

795
00:37:51,013 --> 00:37:54,573
Speaker 2: risk of them racing around ice speed. Then you could

796
00:37:54,573 --> 00:37:58,253
Speaker 2: imagine that spiking would would come out. But hey, thank

797
00:37:58,293 --> 00:37:59,973
Speaker 2: you for your call. Con appreciate that.

798
00:38:00,093 --> 00:38:03,613
Speaker 3: Yep, very interesting. A couple of texts to the break

799
00:38:04,053 --> 00:38:07,773
Speaker 3: guys in the nineteen seventies, I got chased in Henderson

800
00:38:07,893 --> 00:38:10,173
Speaker 3: from going through one intersection with a red light. I

801
00:38:10,173 --> 00:38:12,013
Speaker 3: looked my right and all I saw was the word

802
00:38:12,053 --> 00:38:14,493
Speaker 3: International across the front of the truck that was there.

803
00:38:14,613 --> 00:38:16,973
Speaker 3: Very scary. Used to get chased a fair bit, but

804
00:38:17,133 --> 00:38:18,453
Speaker 3: ended up inside because of it.

805
00:38:19,133 --> 00:38:22,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean absolutely if you decide to gap

806
00:38:22,533 --> 00:38:27,093
Speaker 2: it through intersections, then boy oh boy, things can go

807
00:38:27,293 --> 00:38:29,293
Speaker 2: really bad for you and others. Obviously.

808
00:38:29,613 --> 00:38:32,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, its seven minutes to two bagvery shortly. Here on

809
00:38:32,733 --> 00:38:33,413
Speaker 3: news talks, he'd b.

810
00:38:35,133 --> 00:38:38,693
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

811
00:38:38,693 --> 00:38:43,053
Speaker 1: and eighty Tight, it's mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

812
00:38:42,973 --> 00:38:47,093
Speaker 3: B news Talks, there'd be great discussion about police pursuits

813
00:38:47,573 --> 00:38:49,253
Speaker 3: on the back of Well, the story that kicked us

814
00:38:49,253 --> 00:38:51,613
Speaker 3: off was quite a dramatic one on Saturday night. But man,

815
00:38:51,693 --> 00:38:54,732
Speaker 3: oh man, we've heard some interesting stories from our callers.

816
00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:57,973
Speaker 2: When chasing a bike police need to change from tner

817
00:38:58,453 --> 00:39:01,413
Speaker 2: to PSI s put stick in spokes.

818
00:39:01,773 --> 00:39:02,853
Speaker 3: That stick and spokes.

819
00:39:03,173 --> 00:39:04,853
Speaker 2: I've been involved in a television show where did a

820
00:39:04,893 --> 00:39:09,293
Speaker 2: stunt putting sticks and a speeding bike spokes and not

821
00:39:09,373 --> 00:39:12,253
Speaker 2: easy to get the stick in. I found, no, it'll it'll,

822
00:39:12,973 --> 00:39:14,973
Speaker 2: it'll whip round on you. Yeah, as I found as

823
00:39:14,973 --> 00:39:16,453
Speaker 2: the person put in the stick in the spokes?

824
00:39:16,453 --> 00:39:17,732
Speaker 3: Did you get success on that though?

825
00:39:18,013 --> 00:39:19,293
Speaker 16: Ah?

826
00:39:19,333 --> 00:39:20,373
Speaker 2: Wow? Success?

827
00:39:21,573 --> 00:39:24,333
Speaker 3: Who for for the writer or whoever's checking that stick?

828
00:39:24,333 --> 00:39:26,013
Speaker 2: And I think for the entertainment of the viewers of

829
00:39:26,053 --> 00:39:28,652
Speaker 2: the particular show we're making problem success but not for

830
00:39:28,733 --> 00:39:30,333
Speaker 2: my hand or the stuntman.

831
00:39:30,453 --> 00:39:32,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet right. There has been a great discussion.

832
00:39:32,813 --> 00:39:35,213
Speaker 3: Thank you very much to everyone who phoned and ticked

833
00:39:35,213 --> 00:39:37,652
Speaker 3: on that one. Coming up after the news, we want

834
00:39:37,693 --> 00:39:40,533
Speaker 3: to have a we chat about our beloved Wow are

835
00:39:40,573 --> 00:39:42,813
Speaker 3: they beloved? But we're gonna have a chat about household cats.

836
00:39:43,373 --> 00:39:45,853
Speaker 2: Well, they're definitely beloved by some forty percent of households

837
00:39:45,893 --> 00:39:48,133
Speaker 2: have cats in New Zealand, but they might be giving

838
00:39:48,173 --> 00:39:50,093
Speaker 2: you a parasite in your brain yep.

839
00:39:50,133 --> 00:39:52,093
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Oh wait under an eighty ten eighty is the

840
00:39:52,173 --> 00:39:53,853
Speaker 3: number to call if you want to get in the

841
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Speaker 3: Q Early Andrew is standing by New Sport and weather

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843
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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams

844
00:40:05,453 --> 00:40:07,253
Speaker 1: Afternoons news Talks.

845
00:40:07,293 --> 00:40:11,773
Speaker 3: It'd be good afternoon to you. Sex Pass two. Great

846
00:40:11,773 --> 00:40:14,652
Speaker 3: to have your company as always. Just before we move

847
00:40:14,693 --> 00:40:18,653
Speaker 3: on to have a chat about cats and health issues

848
00:40:18,653 --> 00:40:21,732
Speaker 3: with actually owning cats in New Zealand. Just a question

849
00:40:21,813 --> 00:40:25,013
Speaker 3: for you, Matt. I've Pepper, our dog, beautiful dog. She

850
00:40:25,133 --> 00:40:27,893
Speaker 3: is in doggy daycare for the first time today, so

851
00:40:27,933 --> 00:40:30,172
Speaker 3: it's called the Dog Club in z They are very

852
00:40:30,173 --> 00:40:32,893
Speaker 3: good people, but they post up little stories on their Instagram,

853
00:40:33,293 --> 00:40:35,213
Speaker 3: so I can you've probably see me just you know,

854
00:40:35,293 --> 00:40:38,413
Speaker 3: checking in on see how Pepper's going. And it turns

855
00:40:38,453 --> 00:40:41,533
Speaker 3: out she's a bit of a loser. She's always in

856
00:40:41,573 --> 00:40:44,733
Speaker 3: the back just looking MOPy, miserable. She's not getting involved.

857
00:40:44,813 --> 00:40:46,933
Speaker 3: I mean, look how much fun they haven't they just

858
00:40:47,573 --> 00:40:52,613
Speaker 3: there's water sports, there's tug doggie doggie, tugger war I

859
00:40:52,653 --> 00:40:54,692
Speaker 3: suppose that's what you call. And she's just hanging back.

860
00:40:54,853 --> 00:40:57,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, we see what happens, Tyler is that a dog,

861
00:40:58,013 --> 00:41:03,053
Speaker 2: a pet will often imitate the personality traits of their

862
00:41:03,213 --> 00:41:06,133
Speaker 2: parent in USKSU. So you said that your dog's a

863
00:41:06,133 --> 00:41:09,613
Speaker 2: bit of a loser's not getting involved, she's hanging back,

864
00:41:09,613 --> 00:41:11,692
Speaker 2: and she's a bit of a loser. So often you

865
00:41:11,733 --> 00:41:13,533
Speaker 2: start to you know, you look like your pet, and

866
00:41:13,533 --> 00:41:15,333
Speaker 2: your pet startsack like you.

867
00:41:15,533 --> 00:41:15,772
Speaker 3: Yeah.

868
00:41:15,813 --> 00:41:18,493
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like in this radio show, whenever

869
00:41:18,533 --> 00:41:20,652
Speaker 2: there's a picture of us, you're sort of hanging back,

870
00:41:20,773 --> 00:41:21,893
Speaker 2: kind of not having any fun.

871
00:41:22,013 --> 00:41:22,212
Speaker 4: Yeah.

872
00:41:22,293 --> 00:41:25,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in there tugging things with my teeth and

873
00:41:25,533 --> 00:41:27,293
Speaker 2: running around the room, having a great time.

874
00:41:27,253 --> 00:41:30,133
Speaker 3: Jumping through the water fountain. You know, you're lotionalizing exactly,

875
00:41:30,853 --> 00:41:33,573
Speaker 3: all right, noted? Yeah maybe yeah, maybe just Peep is

876
00:41:33,573 --> 00:41:35,533
Speaker 3: too much like me. But anyway, I'll update.

877
00:41:35,333 --> 00:41:37,652
Speaker 2: You is I was earlier early this morning hanging out

878
00:41:37,653 --> 00:41:40,333
Speaker 2: with the PM. Where were you? You're at the back

879
00:41:40,373 --> 00:41:42,413
Speaker 2: looking miserable. I was having a good chat with the

880
00:41:42,413 --> 00:41:43,373
Speaker 2: PM out in the office.

881
00:41:43,493 --> 00:41:44,933
Speaker 3: I saw, you know, I saw you guys having a

882
00:41:44,933 --> 00:41:46,613
Speaker 3: tug of war as well, and I thought, I just

883
00:41:46,613 --> 00:41:49,413
Speaker 3: don't want to get involved in that. But right onto

884
00:41:49,453 --> 00:41:51,453
Speaker 3: this topic, which is going to be interesting. You saw

885
00:41:51,533 --> 00:41:54,453
Speaker 3: this over the weekend and it blew your minds.

886
00:41:54,653 --> 00:41:54,893
Speaker 17: Yeah.

887
00:41:55,293 --> 00:41:58,172
Speaker 2: So, an estimated forty thousand New Zealanders are affected by

888
00:41:58,613 --> 00:42:04,573
Speaker 2: ocular toxi plasmosis, with ten thousand facing serious vision damage.

889
00:42:04,653 --> 00:42:07,093
Speaker 2: That's in New Zealand. That is phenomenal. Do you know

890
00:42:07,133 --> 00:42:09,133
Speaker 2: what toxi plasma osises?

891
00:42:09,373 --> 00:42:09,693
Speaker 3: Tell me?

892
00:42:09,933 --> 00:42:17,133
Speaker 2: It's a parasite that loves cats species and so in

893
00:42:17,173 --> 00:42:19,413
Speaker 2: the parasite can lay dormant for years when it gets

894
00:42:19,573 --> 00:42:22,333
Speaker 2: inside you. In New Zealand has one of the highest

895
00:42:22,333 --> 00:42:24,813
Speaker 2: in fiction rates globally. We've got a whole heap of

896
00:42:24,853 --> 00:42:28,813
Speaker 2: cats and Antiger Lab has been studying the parasites in

897
00:42:28,853 --> 00:42:31,212
Speaker 2: twenty thirty three, but it stopped in twenty twenty three

898
00:42:31,213 --> 00:42:35,093
Speaker 2: actually due to a lack of funding. But boy, oh boy,

899
00:42:35,693 --> 00:42:39,573
Speaker 2: and it doesn't just miss humans up it can wildlife

900
00:42:39,573 --> 00:42:43,693
Speaker 2: and livestock, including kiwis. It'll get dolphins, It'll get dolphins.

901
00:42:43,733 --> 00:42:44,853
Speaker 3: How does it get a dolphins?

902
00:42:44,853 --> 00:42:46,133
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's heading out to sea and it's

903
00:42:46,133 --> 00:42:48,773
Speaker 2: getting dolphins, those porn dolphins and sheep.

904
00:42:49,093 --> 00:42:51,253
Speaker 3: You'd expect the dolphin to be safe, but no.

905
00:42:51,253 --> 00:42:56,813
Speaker 2: But that is a crazy risk from cats. So cats,

906
00:42:57,053 --> 00:43:03,692
Speaker 2: you know, lovely, I guess arguably. But if there's that

907
00:43:03,813 --> 00:43:07,893
Speaker 2: many people forty thousand New Zealander's surely one hundred and

908
00:43:07,893 --> 00:43:12,893
Speaker 2: eighty ten. Have you run into toxic plasmosis in your

909
00:43:12,933 --> 00:43:16,613
Speaker 2: life and it does terrible things, not only to can

910
00:43:16,653 --> 00:43:19,212
Speaker 2: mess up your vision, it can also do terrible things

911
00:43:19,253 --> 00:43:24,413
Speaker 2: to your brain because part of toxy plasmosis, the parasite is,

912
00:43:24,773 --> 00:43:27,613
Speaker 2: part of its life cycle, is to get mice to

913
00:43:27,653 --> 00:43:30,173
Speaker 2: go crazy and run out and take risks so cats

914
00:43:30,173 --> 00:43:32,093
Speaker 2: can eat them and complete the circle of its life.

915
00:43:32,493 --> 00:43:35,773
Speaker 2: So the you know, the idea of it, this parasite

916
00:43:35,813 --> 00:43:39,212
Speaker 2: is to make you go completely crazy. Anyway, a mouse

917
00:43:39,253 --> 00:43:41,933
Speaker 2: will go crazier quicker than a human, but still it's

918
00:43:42,213 --> 00:43:43,133
Speaker 2: quite an amazing thing.

919
00:43:43,493 --> 00:43:45,893
Speaker 3: And so at that point, so then the cat eats

920
00:43:45,933 --> 00:43:49,573
Speaker 3: the mouse with this parasite, and then humans can get

921
00:43:49,613 --> 00:43:50,893
Speaker 3: it through cat feces.

922
00:43:51,093 --> 00:43:55,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So you know, if you're running a

923
00:43:55,053 --> 00:43:58,093
Speaker 2: litter box, or you know, you're in the garden and

924
00:43:58,133 --> 00:44:00,413
Speaker 2: your cat's been doing a lot in there, and your

925
00:44:00,453 --> 00:44:03,213
Speaker 2: gardening and your bare hands, there's a number of ways

926
00:44:03,213 --> 00:44:05,613
Speaker 2: that you can get it. I'm you know, often what

927
00:44:05,653 --> 00:44:08,453
Speaker 2: can happen is that you know a kid might be

928
00:44:08,453 --> 00:44:10,653
Speaker 2: playing in a sampit you don't know that the neighbors

929
00:44:10,733 --> 00:44:14,533
Speaker 2: cats have been absolutely unleashing in there. There's a lot

930
00:44:14,573 --> 00:44:16,652
Speaker 2: of ways you can get it. But yeah, as I say,

931
00:44:16,653 --> 00:44:21,213
Speaker 2: if the numbers are forty thousand, then boy boy, oh

932
00:44:21,293 --> 00:44:25,213
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty have you had experiences with it?

933
00:44:25,853 --> 00:44:28,013
Speaker 2: There'll be people out there that are struggling with the

934
00:44:28,053 --> 00:44:31,893
Speaker 2: effects of toxi plasmosis. Is it time to just give

935
00:44:31,973 --> 00:44:32,573
Speaker 2: up on cats?

936
00:44:32,653 --> 00:44:33,253
Speaker 3: Yeah?

937
00:44:33,333 --> 00:44:37,933
Speaker 2: I mean Gareth Morgan famously received a lot of feedback

938
00:44:37,933 --> 00:44:42,573
Speaker 2: on his claims that we shouldn't be letting cats run

939
00:44:42,573 --> 00:44:46,013
Speaker 2: a muck eating all our wildlife. But even if they're

940
00:44:46,013 --> 00:44:50,973
Speaker 2: not eating native birds, they might just be filling you

941
00:44:51,013 --> 00:44:54,213
Speaker 2: full of parasites that can cause long term scarring to

942
00:44:54,253 --> 00:44:56,213
Speaker 2: the writtner, resulting in a permanent vision.

943
00:44:56,013 --> 00:44:58,093
Speaker 3: Loss coming after your eyesight. Yes, I love to hear

944
00:44:58,093 --> 00:45:00,133
Speaker 3: from you hundreds or is.

945
00:45:00,333 --> 00:45:05,533
Speaker 2: This just hysterical worry making?

946
00:45:05,693 --> 00:45:07,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're a cat owner, how do you feel

947
00:45:07,653 --> 00:45:09,413
Speaker 3: about this study? I imagine there'll be a lot of

948
00:45:09,453 --> 00:45:12,453
Speaker 3: people saying just that that they are so in love

949
00:45:12,613 --> 00:45:15,573
Speaker 3: with their little pussy cats that they will say, no,

950
00:45:15,813 --> 00:45:17,813
Speaker 3: this study doesn't mean anything. It's not going to change

951
00:45:17,853 --> 00:45:20,893
Speaker 3: my behavior. I wouldn't think twice about having several more

952
00:45:20,933 --> 00:45:22,013
Speaker 3: cats in my household.

953
00:45:22,253 --> 00:45:24,773
Speaker 2: Is it fearmongering to say ten thousand New Zealanders may

954
00:45:24,813 --> 00:45:28,573
Speaker 2: have lost vision sometimes permanently. May is interesting word in

955
00:45:28,613 --> 00:45:32,093
Speaker 2: this article. Whenever I see may, it's not definite because

956
00:45:32,133 --> 00:45:36,573
Speaker 2: of toxi plasmosis. And he's made of forty thousand people

957
00:45:36,573 --> 00:45:37,253
Speaker 2: are frick goodbye?

958
00:45:37,253 --> 00:45:37,652
Speaker 16: It all right?

959
00:45:37,733 --> 00:45:39,973
Speaker 3: And just to follow up question on the little box situation,

960
00:45:40,053 --> 00:45:44,212
Speaker 3: because that's clearly a major risk here with this particular parasite.

961
00:45:44,373 --> 00:45:47,533
Speaker 3: Unless you're in an apartment, who is actually running little boxes?

962
00:45:48,493 --> 00:45:51,453
Speaker 3: That blows my mind. I mean, I've never owned a

963
00:45:51,533 --> 00:45:54,333
Speaker 3: cat personally. We've had cats in our family before.

964
00:45:54,533 --> 00:45:56,573
Speaker 2: You've got to train the cats mate with the kittens.

965
00:45:56,693 --> 00:45:59,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, but once it's an adult, then it goes outside.

966
00:46:00,173 --> 00:46:01,933
Speaker 3: It's good to go, it's toilet trained. But I know

967
00:46:01,973 --> 00:46:04,093
Speaker 3: a lot of people that keep that little box for life.

968
00:46:04,133 --> 00:46:07,493
Speaker 2: Why if my dog collinsast think because I leave the

969
00:46:07,573 --> 00:46:09,893
Speaker 2: radio at home to keep company. Who can hear me talking?

970
00:46:10,013 --> 00:46:10,293
Speaker 7: Yep?

971
00:46:10,613 --> 00:46:13,933
Speaker 2: Where the cat's gone? Where are the cats? Get can

972
00:46:14,093 --> 00:46:15,692
Speaker 2: go and get out your dog door and make sure

973
00:46:15,693 --> 00:46:19,093
Speaker 2: no cats come into our yard and bloody leave a

974
00:46:19,093 --> 00:46:21,013
Speaker 2: bunch of toxi plasmosis lying around.

975
00:46:21,093 --> 00:46:22,533
Speaker 3: All right, love to chat with you on this one.

976
00:46:22,533 --> 00:46:24,493
Speaker 3: I'll wait one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're a

977
00:46:24,493 --> 00:46:26,533
Speaker 3: cat lover, does it start to change your mind? It

978
00:46:26,653 --> 00:46:27,772
Speaker 3: is thirteen pas two.

979
00:46:28,653 --> 00:46:33,213
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

980
00:46:33,293 --> 00:46:36,933
Speaker 1: afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

981
00:46:36,853 --> 00:46:37,213
Speaker 18: Said, be.

982
00:46:39,733 --> 00:46:41,893
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. It is quarter past two

983
00:46:42,013 --> 00:46:45,453
Speaker 3: and we're talking about this Paris sites that fix cats

984
00:46:45,453 --> 00:46:47,413
Speaker 3: and then they can pass it on to human beings,

985
00:46:47,453 --> 00:46:52,613
Speaker 3: but astonishing numbers. To University of Otago researchers have estimated

986
00:46:52,693 --> 00:46:58,133
Speaker 3: forty thousand people could be affected by this ocular texso plasmosis.

987
00:46:57,413 --> 00:47:01,213
Speaker 2: And ten thousand may have had their vision appeared by it,

988
00:47:01,333 --> 00:47:03,973
Speaker 2: scarring on the retina. Tony says, personally, I think cat

989
00:47:03,973 --> 00:47:06,853
Speaker 2: owners deserve whatever they get. Don't have a cat, and

990
00:47:06,893 --> 00:47:09,973
Speaker 2: you won't get this rotten paris and your eyeballs. Thanks

991
00:47:10,053 --> 00:47:11,853
Speaker 2: Tony for that empathetic response.

992
00:47:12,053 --> 00:47:14,293
Speaker 3: Well that's it. There has a very big part of that.

993
00:47:14,493 --> 00:47:20,053
Speaker 2: That person's calling bs on my description of this toxy

994
00:47:20,093 --> 00:47:24,613
Speaker 2: plasmosis lifestyle, saying most cats won't eat a mouse unless

995
00:47:24,613 --> 00:47:27,732
Speaker 2: you starve them, which is interesting. But look, I think

996
00:47:27,733 --> 00:47:29,973
Speaker 2: that's that. You know, it's not one hundred percent successful

997
00:47:30,373 --> 00:47:33,812
Speaker 2: with the toxic plasmosis, but that's its plan. Gets into

998
00:47:33,853 --> 00:47:36,933
Speaker 2: the mice's brain and gets it to go crazy and

999
00:47:37,253 --> 00:47:38,773
Speaker 2: run out into the middle of the room. In the

1000
00:47:38,813 --> 00:47:42,173
Speaker 2: mouse eats it and does the full circle. But you know,

1001
00:47:42,253 --> 00:47:45,333
Speaker 2: humans aren't even part of the cycle. The toxic plasmosis

1002
00:47:45,613 --> 00:47:48,893
Speaker 2: parasite does not even care about humans. But it's just

1003
00:47:48,933 --> 00:47:51,533
Speaker 2: getting into us because we've got just so many cats

1004
00:47:51,533 --> 00:47:53,293
Speaker 2: in New Zealand and forty percent of households in New

1005
00:47:53,333 --> 00:47:56,652
Speaker 2: Zealand have a cat in it. Rick, your thoughts on

1006
00:47:57,533 --> 00:48:01,212
Speaker 2: toxic plasmosis, I.

1007
00:48:01,173 --> 00:48:03,853
Speaker 13: Think, from my point of view, is much more that

1008
00:48:03,933 --> 00:48:07,413
Speaker 13: toxosmosis can do. It seeks the human rights. Forty to

1009
00:48:07,413 --> 00:48:11,333
Speaker 13: sixty percent of the world population has us in their brain. Really,

1010
00:48:11,453 --> 00:48:15,533
Speaker 13: it's not just it's not just oculo. There's other impacts.

1011
00:48:15,893 --> 00:48:19,653
Speaker 13: Like studies have shahn that people that have car crashes,

1012
00:48:19,693 --> 00:48:22,813
Speaker 13: for example, there is a higher incidence of the driver

1013
00:48:23,213 --> 00:48:26,733
Speaker 13: having toxoplasmosis. So it does have an impact on humans

1014
00:48:27,453 --> 00:48:29,573
Speaker 13: and it can be catastrophic. You know, I think we

1015
00:48:29,693 --> 00:48:32,652
Speaker 13: take this a little lightly. And you know the cat,

1016
00:48:32,693 --> 00:48:34,773
Speaker 13: the humble cat. I love cats, but at the end

1017
00:48:34,773 --> 00:48:36,773
Speaker 13: of the day, they do represent to threes and we

1018
00:48:37,293 --> 00:48:39,732
Speaker 13: should be real about it. Our kids that go into

1019
00:48:39,773 --> 00:48:41,973
Speaker 13: the garden and go gardening, they need to wash their hands,

1020
00:48:42,013 --> 00:48:43,973
Speaker 13: they need to wear gloves and what have you. There

1021
00:48:44,053 --> 00:48:46,133
Speaker 13: is much more to it than just the eyeball.

1022
00:48:46,333 --> 00:48:48,773
Speaker 2: That's really interesting. So when I read about what the

1023
00:48:48,973 --> 00:48:52,733
Speaker 2: powasite does to mice, it makes part of their brain

1024
00:48:52,813 --> 00:48:56,693
Speaker 2: that is risk averse, shuts it down. Yeah, so is

1025
00:48:56,693 --> 00:48:59,013
Speaker 2: that what's happening to humans? Because I mean, mice are

1026
00:48:59,053 --> 00:49:00,933
Speaker 2: very different from us, but they are mammals. There's a

1027
00:49:00,973 --> 00:49:03,533
Speaker 2: lot of similarities as well. So is that is that

1028
00:49:03,653 --> 00:49:09,133
Speaker 2: the theory that it affects our risk taking?

1029
00:49:10,693 --> 00:49:10,893
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1030
00:49:11,293 --> 00:49:16,093
Speaker 13: Absolutely, there's studies that show it's proven that you're more

1031
00:49:16,173 --> 00:49:18,773
Speaker 13: likely to have it if you're in a serious curre accident. Wow,

1032
00:49:18,853 --> 00:49:22,413
Speaker 13: you've got to join the dots yourself. That's my understanding.

1033
00:49:22,453 --> 00:49:23,813
Speaker 13: I've done a little bit of reading about it.

1034
00:49:23,893 --> 00:49:24,093
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1035
00:49:24,653 --> 00:49:27,652
Speaker 13: Secondary to that, if you're a schizophrenic, more likely to

1036
00:49:27,693 --> 00:49:28,693
Speaker 13: have topsy pasmosis.

1037
00:49:28,813 --> 00:49:29,013
Speaker 3: Wow.

1038
00:49:29,493 --> 00:49:32,812
Speaker 13: So you know there's definitely connections that's doing something pretty

1039
00:49:32,853 --> 00:49:33,772
Speaker 13: weird in the human brain.

1040
00:49:34,053 --> 00:49:36,413
Speaker 2: Wow, can you. I mean, so it's just sort of

1041
00:49:36,413 --> 00:49:40,813
Speaker 2: this thing that's happening, sort of an underlying parasite that's

1042
00:49:40,893 --> 00:49:44,853
Speaker 2: doing terrible stuff to humans. Boy, that that is really

1043
00:49:44,933 --> 00:49:48,773
Speaker 2: something something to think about. So in your research, what

1044
00:49:48,933 --> 00:49:50,812
Speaker 2: is the best way to avoid it? Because it comes

1045
00:49:50,853 --> 00:49:54,293
Speaker 2: through cat species, and I think where we as humans

1046
00:49:55,213 --> 00:49:58,053
Speaker 2: we naturally avoid it. I mean, it's the most disgusting

1047
00:49:58,093 --> 00:50:00,652
Speaker 2: of all the animal leavings out there. We absolutely try

1048
00:50:00,693 --> 00:50:05,333
Speaker 2: and avoid it. But you're saying in the garden as

1049
00:50:05,373 --> 00:50:07,093
Speaker 2: a way that people interact with it, because of course

1050
00:50:07,093 --> 00:50:09,693
Speaker 2: cats are going and g gardens. They don't do it

1051
00:50:09,733 --> 00:50:10,853
Speaker 2: out in the open like dogs do.

1052
00:50:12,293 --> 00:50:14,013
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right. Like I think you have to know

1053
00:50:14,093 --> 00:50:18,692
Speaker 13: one here. You mentioned sandpits, gardens, and it's kids, adults,

1054
00:50:19,093 --> 00:50:21,853
Speaker 13: a kiva. Hopefully they know to wash their hands, kids,

1055
00:50:22,533 --> 00:50:24,773
Speaker 13: help out in the garden. Pick your nose game over,

1056
00:50:24,853 --> 00:50:25,253
Speaker 13: They got it.

1057
00:50:26,133 --> 00:50:28,253
Speaker 3: I mean, we are pretty cavalier when it comes to

1058
00:50:28,773 --> 00:50:31,373
Speaker 3: how we treat you know, the interactions we have with

1059
00:50:31,413 --> 00:50:33,413
Speaker 3: our pets when it comes to health, aren't we really,

1060
00:50:33,453 --> 00:50:35,692
Speaker 3: That's that's the bottom of it. In this case, it's

1061
00:50:35,693 --> 00:50:38,413
Speaker 3: cats and cat poo and having a cat crawl all

1062
00:50:38,413 --> 00:50:41,893
Speaker 3: over you, cuddle up to you, you know, with and

1063
00:50:42,013 --> 00:50:43,533
Speaker 3: let's be frank, here a bit of a bit of

1064
00:50:43,573 --> 00:50:47,093
Speaker 3: feces that might get onto the human being. Yeah, I

1065
00:50:47,093 --> 00:50:49,013
Speaker 3: mean I could say it's very easy, but what you're

1066
00:50:49,013 --> 00:50:51,013
Speaker 3: saying here, the easy way to get around this is

1067
00:50:51,133 --> 00:50:53,373
Speaker 3: just to wash your hands and if you touch your

1068
00:50:53,373 --> 00:50:56,253
Speaker 3: dirty old cat, make sure that you're smart about it.

1069
00:50:57,013 --> 00:50:57,212
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1070
00:50:57,693 --> 00:51:00,213
Speaker 13: Well, yeah, I think being smart, but look, I'm no experts.

1071
00:51:00,253 --> 00:51:01,133
Speaker 13: It's just common sense.

1072
00:51:01,213 --> 00:51:03,133
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I think if you call Rick, I mean,

1073
00:51:03,293 --> 00:51:06,053
Speaker 2: the cats could do their bit and cover up their

1074
00:51:06,893 --> 00:51:09,493
Speaker 2: dirty bits. Yeah, we've got that tail straight in the air.

1075
00:51:09,973 --> 00:51:10,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's that about it?

1076
00:51:10,813 --> 00:51:12,813
Speaker 2: I mean the show offs, it's a totally different issue.

1077
00:51:12,813 --> 00:51:15,653
Speaker 2: But you know, as Rick saying it, I'm just reading here. Worldwide,

1078
00:51:15,773 --> 00:51:18,093
Speaker 2: up to one and three people are infected by toxi

1079
00:51:18,133 --> 00:51:21,613
Speaker 2: plasmosis by the parasite, but rates could be even higher.

1080
00:51:21,613 --> 00:51:23,613
Speaker 2: There was a study that sees forty three percent of

1081
00:51:23,613 --> 00:51:27,733
Speaker 2: people in the way cattle are affected have it in

1082
00:51:27,773 --> 00:51:30,893
Speaker 2: their system. So it's not always it's not always harming

1083
00:51:30,893 --> 00:51:34,813
Speaker 2: you or manifesting or well obviously harming you and such

1084
00:51:34,853 --> 00:51:38,613
Speaker 2: as you know, damaging you at retina but doesn't that

1085
00:51:38,613 --> 00:51:40,172
Speaker 2: freak you out a little bit? I mean, we're full

1086
00:51:40,173 --> 00:51:41,973
Speaker 2: of parasites that we don't know about. Were full of

1087
00:51:41,973 --> 00:51:44,373
Speaker 2: bacteria and parasites, and it's part of the whole ecosystem

1088
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Speaker 2: of being a human. But if one of them can

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00:51:46,733 --> 00:51:49,893
Speaker 2: make you go completely crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like a hell of a roll of

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00:51:51,293 --> 00:51:53,333
Speaker 3: the dice. But that forty three percent would line up

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00:51:53,373 --> 00:51:56,213
Speaker 3: pretty close to your stat that forty percent of households

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00:51:56,213 --> 00:51:56,933
Speaker 3: have cats.

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00:51:57,213 --> 00:52:00,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in all accidents, and also my belief that

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00:52:00,533 --> 00:52:02,973
Speaker 2: people in the way ketto don't wash their hands as much.

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00:52:03,213 --> 00:52:07,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, this ticks here. You guys are just anti cat lovers.

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00:52:07,573 --> 00:52:09,173
Speaker 3: They are cleaner the most humans.

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Speaker 2: Well I don't know. Yeah, but how do they clean themselves?

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00:52:11,893 --> 00:52:15,093
Speaker 2: It's with their tongue. If you saw a human clean

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00:52:15,173 --> 00:52:17,333
Speaker 2: themselves the way cat cleans themselves, you would not say

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00:52:17,333 --> 00:52:19,973
Speaker 2: that's a clean person. If Tyler was over there in

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00:52:20,013 --> 00:52:22,333
Speaker 2: the corner with his tail in the air, hunched over,

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00:52:22,493 --> 00:52:24,053
Speaker 2: I would not go that's a clean person.

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Speaker 3: No, thank you very much for that tix though it

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00:52:27,333 --> 00:52:29,413
Speaker 3: is twenty one buzz too beat Free.

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Speaker 1: Shortly Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight

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Speaker 1: on us talks'd be good afternoon.

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00:52:40,693 --> 00:52:44,213
Speaker 3: We are chatting about this toxoh players, mosis.

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00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:47,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, finally you Sai, right, Tyler, it's toso, not toxi.

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00:52:48,573 --> 00:52:52,373
Speaker 3: Matt, it's toxo, not toxy players, Moses. Toxy kind of

1111
00:52:52,453 --> 00:52:55,333
Speaker 3: rolls off the tongue, that toxic toxy toso.

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Speaker 2: But we've got to get these things right because we're

1113
00:52:57,653 --> 00:53:01,733
Speaker 2: trying to alarm people about it. We're scared monitoring here

1114
00:53:01,853 --> 00:53:03,252
Speaker 2: if we've got to get the name of it right.

1115
00:53:03,573 --> 00:53:05,933
Speaker 2: So this text and we should get to the bottom

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00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:09,133
Speaker 2: of this, But can you get a test for toxo

1117
00:53:09,213 --> 00:53:10,293
Speaker 2: pleasmos Well.

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00:53:10,133 --> 00:53:12,173
Speaker 3: Hopefully we're going to have a chat to the professor,

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00:53:12,213 --> 00:53:15,413
Speaker 3: one of the lead authors of the study at Otago University,

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Speaker 3: So we'll certainly put that question to them if we

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Speaker 3: get them on the program. Guys, what about dog people,

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00:53:23,013 --> 00:53:27,133
Speaker 3: They let dogs lick after dog has had a we

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00:53:27,373 --> 00:53:30,493
Speaker 3: and more ticking time bomb there. Yeah, they don't carry

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Speaker 3: the study parasite here.

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Speaker 2: They don't have the brain parasites. They don't have the

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00:53:33,493 --> 00:53:33,933
Speaker 2: brain worm.

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00:53:34,053 --> 00:53:35,893
Speaker 3: No one said dogs were clean, They just don't have

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00:53:35,893 --> 00:53:36,773
Speaker 3: the study parasites.

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00:53:36,813 --> 00:53:38,652
Speaker 2: Anyone that says dogs clean is going to lose that

1130
00:53:38,733 --> 00:53:41,293
Speaker 2: argument pretty quickly. Yeah, dogs are disgusting.

1131
00:53:41,573 --> 00:53:43,453
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

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Speaker 2: Call, Hailey, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 6: You got cats, I shall do.

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00:53:47,413 --> 00:53:47,973
Speaker 10: I got two.

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Speaker 2: What are their names?

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00:53:50,413 --> 00:53:55,613
Speaker 10: Tahoy and Pitty adult thank you, the adult cats. And

1137
00:53:55,653 --> 00:53:57,893
Speaker 10: I currently have a little box for them because I

1138
00:53:57,973 --> 00:54:00,893
Speaker 10: lock them in at night, so they they're out gallivanting

1139
00:54:00,973 --> 00:54:04,212
Speaker 10: during the day doing whatever cats do, and then they

1140
00:54:04,213 --> 00:54:06,013
Speaker 10: come in for dinner at night and I lock them

1141
00:54:06,013 --> 00:54:08,613
Speaker 10: in and then I allowed to go back out to

1142
00:54:08,653 --> 00:54:11,333
Speaker 10: have a cat box, a little box, sorry, you know,

1143
00:54:11,413 --> 00:54:13,453
Speaker 10: just in case they need to do whatever during the night.

1144
00:54:14,333 --> 00:54:16,333
Speaker 10: And I just I just cleaned the little box every

1145
00:54:16,333 --> 00:54:18,333
Speaker 10: morning with complete.

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00:54:18,013 --> 00:54:22,413
Speaker 9: Disregard for my house. I've never I've never heard of

1147
00:54:22,453 --> 00:54:25,093
Speaker 9: this disgusting little parasite priory today.

1148
00:54:25,173 --> 00:54:28,253
Speaker 2: Are you worried about it now? Hailey wear glasses?

1149
00:54:28,373 --> 00:54:30,252
Speaker 3: So right, right?

1150
00:54:30,493 --> 00:54:33,853
Speaker 2: Do you find yourself taking crazy risks?

1151
00:54:34,333 --> 00:54:36,413
Speaker 10: I mean yeah, I get I am a book.

1152
00:54:36,613 --> 00:54:39,533
Speaker 9: I mean yeah, I guess I feel like I.

1153
00:54:39,453 --> 00:54:41,253
Speaker 2: Am like brain.

1154
00:54:41,293 --> 00:54:42,733
Speaker 10: You know, I'm not reserved.

1155
00:54:43,413 --> 00:54:46,053
Speaker 14: I would probably wow the word.

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00:54:46,133 --> 00:54:48,133
Speaker 9: But yeah, I mean I'm happy to clean the little box.

1157
00:54:48,133 --> 00:54:49,692
Speaker 9: And I've never really thought about it. I just love

1158
00:54:49,773 --> 00:54:51,973
Speaker 9: my cats, and you know, I just think as an

1159
00:54:52,013 --> 00:54:54,933
Speaker 9: extension of my family. You know, I would clean clean

1160
00:54:55,013 --> 00:54:57,133
Speaker 9: up after anyone that you know needed it in my

1161
00:54:57,213 --> 00:55:00,333
Speaker 9: family as well. So yeah, I don't really sort of

1162
00:55:00,413 --> 00:55:03,453
Speaker 9: think of them as you know, some dirty parasite burdening,

1163
00:55:03,733 --> 00:55:06,213
Speaker 9: you know, members of my family.

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00:55:06,293 --> 00:55:09,573
Speaker 2: You need to change that attitude the whole over parasite

1165
00:55:09,573 --> 00:55:12,692
Speaker 2: infective monsters that are trying to trying to get stuck

1166
00:55:12,693 --> 00:55:14,533
Speaker 2: into your brain, Hailey. But it's interesting.

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00:55:14,653 --> 00:55:16,413
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm pretty sure cat who was slapping me

1168
00:55:16,453 --> 00:55:18,653
Speaker 10: awake this morning because you know, it was desperate to

1169
00:55:18,693 --> 00:55:19,093
Speaker 10: get out.

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00:55:19,213 --> 00:55:23,533
Speaker 2: So yeah, well it's interesting that you know, you say

1171
00:55:23,533 --> 00:55:26,172
Speaker 2: you run the little box at night. It's quite real.

1172
00:55:26,213 --> 00:55:28,252
Speaker 2: Like the way we run cats in New Zealand. Free

1173
00:55:28,373 --> 00:55:30,613
Speaker 2: range is quite rare for other countries. So I was

1174
00:55:30,613 --> 00:55:33,652
Speaker 2: staying with my friends in the States. You're definitely not

1175
00:55:33,693 --> 00:55:35,453
Speaker 2: in Canada and winter. You don't let your cats out

1176
00:55:35,453 --> 00:55:38,253
Speaker 2: of us, you'll have a cat catsicle pretty quickly.

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00:55:39,053 --> 00:55:41,773
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I locked them in for two things,

1178
00:55:41,813 --> 00:55:44,613
Speaker 9: the safety for themselves, but also to try and do

1179
00:55:44,733 --> 00:55:46,732
Speaker 9: my bit for the wild. You know, they're hunting times

1180
00:55:46,733 --> 00:55:49,013
Speaker 9: at dusk and dawn generally, so I try and have

1181
00:55:49,173 --> 00:55:51,853
Speaker 9: them inside at those times so they're not I mean,

1182
00:55:51,853 --> 00:55:53,253
Speaker 9: they hunt all the time, but I'm trying to do

1183
00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:57,653
Speaker 9: my bit, you know, to sort of preserve the wildlife

1184
00:55:57,653 --> 00:56:00,093
Speaker 9: around here by locking them in at night and keeping

1185
00:56:00,093 --> 00:56:01,053
Speaker 9: them safer as well.

1186
00:56:02,053 --> 00:56:04,053
Speaker 2: Got a little bell on you got people, got a

1187
00:56:04,053 --> 00:56:04,733
Speaker 2: little bell on them?

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00:56:04,853 --> 00:56:07,733
Speaker 9: No, no, but it is something that I do want

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00:56:07,773 --> 00:56:09,893
Speaker 9: to do with my new cats. Is from a very

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00:56:09,893 --> 00:56:12,093
Speaker 9: small age, have them used to having a collar on,

1191
00:56:12,133 --> 00:56:15,533
Speaker 9: which is something I didn't do with these cats, because yeah,

1192
00:56:15,573 --> 00:56:16,973
Speaker 9: that is important as well, But.

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00:56:17,613 --> 00:56:19,853
Speaker 2: There's a way of diligence. I think the bell actually

1194
00:56:19,933 --> 00:56:23,413
Speaker 2: drives the cats crazy and it's not very nice for them.

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00:56:23,453 --> 00:56:26,093
Speaker 2: But aparently there's another thing you can do. I forget

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00:56:26,133 --> 00:56:27,613
Speaker 2: what it is now, ill look it up that that

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00:56:27,653 --> 00:56:29,813
Speaker 2: doesn't punish the cat but warns the birds, you.

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00:56:29,773 --> 00:56:32,653
Speaker 9: Know, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that makes sense. I

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00:56:32,693 --> 00:56:34,813
Speaker 9: mean I live in a new development, so there's actually

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00:56:34,813 --> 00:56:36,253
Speaker 9: not a lot of bird life around here. That's all

1201
00:56:36,253 --> 00:56:38,293
Speaker 9: being scared away by the forty thousand houses that they

1202
00:56:38,373 --> 00:56:42,813
Speaker 9: put up in the area. We're quite safe, but I'm

1203
00:56:42,813 --> 00:56:45,693
Speaker 9: sure you could probably find a couple of cr crazy

1204
00:56:45,733 --> 00:56:46,453
Speaker 9: mice somewhere so.

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00:56:46,733 --> 00:56:49,453
Speaker 2: Well, get yourself some gloves with the little box, and

1206
00:56:49,973 --> 00:56:51,773
Speaker 2: I'm sure you do. You sound like the kind of

1207
00:56:51,813 --> 00:56:54,053
Speaker 2: person that washes their hands, but you know, keep that.

1208
00:56:54,333 --> 00:56:57,893
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm vigilant. I'm vigilant with washing my hands, especially

1209
00:56:57,893 --> 00:57:02,053
Speaker 9: after the little Box situation. But yeah, I didn't even

1210
00:57:02,093 --> 00:57:04,493
Speaker 9: know about that parasite thing. I mean I did when

1211
00:57:04,533 --> 00:57:06,573
Speaker 9: I was pregnant. You know, you have to stay away from,

1212
00:57:06,693 --> 00:57:11,013
Speaker 9: you know, the little box because it's like common sense, and.

1213
00:57:10,693 --> 00:57:13,413
Speaker 2: I mean cat leavings a heinous at the best of

1214
00:57:13,453 --> 00:57:16,693
Speaker 2: the time, before you even bring in topso plesmosis.

1215
00:57:16,093 --> 00:57:18,413
Speaker 3: Biological warfare, al your roll in the dice.

1216
00:57:18,493 --> 00:57:21,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, and our final question for you that as your

1217
00:57:21,573 --> 00:57:23,333
Speaker 2: cat named after Petty whoop whoopoo.

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00:57:25,573 --> 00:57:26,933
Speaker 10: Everyone everyone says that.

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00:57:27,053 --> 00:57:31,093
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm going to say, yes, oh well lovely, Yeah, boy?

1220
00:57:31,413 --> 00:57:32,853
Speaker 2: How good was see in twenty eleven?

1221
00:57:32,893 --> 00:57:33,053
Speaker 17: Boy?

1222
00:57:33,133 --> 00:57:37,373
Speaker 2: Thank god? And then no good not long after that?

1223
00:57:37,573 --> 00:57:40,493
Speaker 9: All right, good bye.

1224
00:57:40,373 --> 00:57:43,893
Speaker 3: Guy, you're just on pretty. You know he's a fantastic player.

1225
00:57:43,933 --> 00:57:46,573
Speaker 3: But he put it on about afterwards, doesn't he.

1226
00:57:46,973 --> 00:57:49,053
Speaker 2: He certainly did. I mean, there's four thousand texts of

1227
00:57:49,133 --> 00:57:53,093
Speaker 2: saying it's not the it's not eight hundred fat shame

1228
00:57:54,573 --> 00:57:58,173
Speaker 2: pregnant woman have to watch out handling cats. Yeah, there's

1229
00:57:58,173 --> 00:58:00,213
Speaker 2: a lot of people that are texting that through. So

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00:58:00,493 --> 00:58:03,853
Speaker 2: there is tests that you can can get blood tests

1231
00:58:03,853 --> 00:58:06,613
Speaker 2: to look into whether you have it if you're worried

1232
00:58:06,613 --> 00:58:08,453
Speaker 2: about it. And I think it looks for antibodies. But

1233
00:58:08,693 --> 00:58:10,493
Speaker 2: we'll get closer to that, and we're trying to actually

1234
00:58:10,973 --> 00:58:13,293
Speaker 2: get hold of an expert in the field to talk

1235
00:58:13,293 --> 00:58:14,453
Speaker 2: about it before the end of the hour.

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00:58:14,573 --> 00:58:16,733
Speaker 3: Yep oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number

1237
00:58:16,733 --> 00:58:18,213
Speaker 3: to call those keen to hear from you. Does this

1238
00:58:18,333 --> 00:58:22,333
Speaker 3: makes you rethink cat ownership? Keendy here from you.

1239
00:58:22,373 --> 00:58:24,173
Speaker 2: It is, and we're going to talk to someone who

1240
00:58:24,213 --> 00:58:27,413
Speaker 2: has suffered from toxoplasmosa for most of their life.

1241
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Speaker 3: This will be go twenty nine past two.

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Speaker 5: Now back to matt Ethan Tyler. Adams don't all my cats.

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00:59:53,853 --> 00:59:58,573
Speaker 2: I don't not like cats. I just prefer dogs.

1262
00:59:58,933 --> 01:00:01,053
Speaker 10: I mean I'm just more of a dog kind of

1263
01:00:01,213 --> 01:00:10,213
Speaker 10: you know, co home, wagging little tails, happy to see you.

1264
01:00:08,413 --> 01:00:09,533
Speaker 2: That assurance to you.

1265
01:00:09,733 --> 01:00:11,413
Speaker 16: You prefer an emotionally shallow animal.

1266
01:00:14,973 --> 01:00:16,533
Speaker 2: You see Greg When you yellow.

1267
01:00:16,293 --> 01:00:18,893
Speaker 3: The dog, his terror will go between his legs and

1268
01:00:18,893 --> 01:00:20,733
Speaker 3: cover his chanitills, his ears will go down.

1269
01:00:21,413 --> 01:00:23,973
Speaker 11: The dog is very easy to break, but cats make

1270
01:00:23,973 --> 01:00:25,653
Speaker 11: your work for their affection. They don't sell out the

1271
01:00:25,653 --> 01:00:26,253
Speaker 11: way dogs do.

1272
01:00:28,333 --> 01:00:36,173
Speaker 2: Huh so a great movie. Meet the Parents. The stixster says, Hey, guys,

1273
01:00:36,213 --> 01:00:38,133
Speaker 2: cats would be best to be let out at night,

1274
01:00:38,253 --> 01:00:40,773
Speaker 2: as birds are not around at night. She is Brian, Hello,

1275
01:00:40,853 --> 01:00:43,253
Speaker 2: the Kiwi has joined the Jat kiwis are out at

1276
01:00:43,333 --> 01:00:48,733
Speaker 2: night most, I mean they can get checks, but kee's

1277
01:00:49,093 --> 01:00:51,053
Speaker 2: I don't know'd be interesting to see your average domestic

1278
01:00:51,093 --> 01:00:51,773
Speaker 2: cat v Kiwi.

1279
01:00:51,933 --> 01:00:53,533
Speaker 3: So a solid unit at an adult key, isn't it.

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01:00:53,613 --> 01:00:58,293
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, they've got they've got good talons. Yeah yeah.

1281
01:00:58,293 --> 01:01:02,173
Speaker 2: My daughter was born with toxoplasmosis. Now in her forties,

1282
01:01:02,213 --> 01:01:04,733
Speaker 2: married with three kids and living overseas. She was born

1283
01:01:04,813 --> 01:01:07,493
Speaker 2: blind in one eye. At eight months old, she developed

1284
01:01:07,493 --> 01:01:10,533
Speaker 2: water on the brain and had a shunt install She

1285
01:01:10,573 --> 01:01:13,533
Speaker 2: has had many brain operations since due to the shunt

1286
01:01:13,573 --> 01:01:15,933
Speaker 2: not working properly. I don't remember having a little box

1287
01:01:15,933 --> 01:01:19,613
Speaker 2: in the house. The toxoplasmosis would have started while she

1288
01:01:19,693 --> 01:01:22,613
Speaker 2: was in the womb. Far Ah, thanks for that text.

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01:01:23,053 --> 01:01:26,253
Speaker 2: Andro you've suffered from toxoplasmosis.

1290
01:01:27,573 --> 01:01:31,253
Speaker 6: I have, yes, yep, with vision problems associated within your

1291
01:01:31,373 --> 01:01:35,453
Speaker 6: last texture was right. Newborn baby Unborn babies are the

1292
01:01:35,493 --> 01:01:38,813
Speaker 6: ones that get it because as adults were actually immune

1293
01:01:38,813 --> 01:01:43,613
Speaker 6: to toxo plasmosis, but not unborn babies. And I'll be

1294
01:01:43,693 --> 01:01:46,053
Speaker 6: interesting to hear your conversation with the professor when he

1295
01:01:46,093 --> 01:01:49,053
Speaker 6: comes on, because obviously I've got an inquiring mind, so

1296
01:01:49,093 --> 01:01:51,493
Speaker 6: I like to sort of know what's been attacking me

1297
01:01:51,533 --> 01:01:54,493
Speaker 6: all my life. So I'll let you know. I'll let

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01:01:54,493 --> 01:01:57,773
Speaker 6: you know how it transpired. Probably had my first attack

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01:01:57,853 --> 01:02:00,973
Speaker 6: of it when I was say, ten years old, in

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01:02:01,013 --> 01:02:04,453
Speaker 6: one of my eyes, and it causes allsions on the restner,

1301
01:02:05,133 --> 01:02:08,333
Speaker 6: and those lesions erupted puffs into the eyeball of your eye,

1302
01:02:08,573 --> 01:02:10,973
Speaker 6: so that effectively you end up looking through the bottom

1303
01:02:11,013 --> 01:02:15,093
Speaker 6: of a jam jar oh man for six weeks until

1304
01:02:15,133 --> 01:02:19,093
Speaker 6: it eventually goes away. I suppose you could liken it

1305
01:02:19,133 --> 01:02:22,093
Speaker 6: to about of the flu or a common cold or something.

1306
01:02:22,253 --> 01:02:25,533
Speaker 6: It runs, of course, but it'll sit there and it'll

1307
01:02:25,573 --> 01:02:28,133
Speaker 6: wait till the next time, and it'll come back at you.

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01:02:28,173 --> 01:02:28,453
Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 6: And I've had it probably thirty or forty times. I

1310
01:02:33,053 --> 01:02:35,173
Speaker 6: haven't had it for the last ten years because my

1311
01:02:35,213 --> 01:02:38,173
Speaker 6: eyes specialist said that sometimes it would burn itself out

1312
01:02:38,213 --> 01:02:40,853
Speaker 6: and never come back. So I've got my fingers crossed

1313
01:02:40,893 --> 01:02:42,853
Speaker 6: that that happens. But look, I tell you there's a

1314
01:02:42,853 --> 01:02:44,093
Speaker 6: lot of people out there that it get it a

1315
01:02:44,093 --> 01:02:46,213
Speaker 6: lot worse than I do, because the lesions, if they

1316
01:02:46,253 --> 01:02:48,653
Speaker 6: attack your central vision in the middle of your eye,

1317
01:02:48,693 --> 01:02:51,053
Speaker 6: then you're blind, because you know that's.

1318
01:02:50,893 --> 01:02:51,413
Speaker 17: The end of it.

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01:02:51,973 --> 01:02:56,933
Speaker 6: Likely the lesions are in my peripheral and basically it's

1320
01:02:56,933 --> 01:02:59,013
Speaker 6: only in one eye, so my other eye can sort

1321
01:02:59,013 --> 01:03:03,133
Speaker 6: of compensate for it. But yeah, no, it's a faithless thing.

1322
01:03:03,213 --> 01:03:05,013
Speaker 6: It's actually really depressing when you get it.

1323
01:03:05,133 --> 01:03:08,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet. And is there no way there's not

1324
01:03:08,173 --> 01:03:11,173
Speaker 2: a not a not a medicine that can be taken

1325
01:03:11,253 --> 01:03:12,133
Speaker 2: that rids you of it.

1326
01:03:13,213 --> 01:03:16,413
Speaker 6: No, not ever. You see, the thing is it's already dead.

1327
01:03:16,813 --> 01:03:20,933
Speaker 6: The parasite's dead. You've ed. You entered your body when

1328
01:03:20,973 --> 01:03:23,333
Speaker 6: you were before you were born, and lodged itself in

1329
01:03:23,373 --> 01:03:26,213
Speaker 6: your eye and it died. Well while your will, your

1330
01:03:26,253 --> 01:03:30,453
Speaker 6: body sort of reacted and formed a what they call

1331
01:03:30,493 --> 01:03:35,133
Speaker 6: a reactive reaction. It's a reaction. I'm sounding like Donald

1332
01:03:35,173 --> 01:03:38,413
Speaker 6: Trump here, it's a reaction to it, and your body

1333
01:03:38,453 --> 01:03:42,093
Speaker 6: remembers it. And whenever you get say if you get

1334
01:03:42,133 --> 01:03:44,173
Speaker 6: say dust in your eye, or I'll go to watch

1335
01:03:44,213 --> 01:03:46,573
Speaker 6: out for dust getting a eye because my iye will think,

1336
01:03:46,813 --> 01:03:49,813
Speaker 6: oh shit, I'm being attacked by this parasite again, and

1337
01:03:49,853 --> 01:03:51,333
Speaker 6: then go into speed.

1338
01:03:52,893 --> 01:03:53,693
Speaker 14: That's what happens.

1339
01:03:53,693 --> 01:03:56,533
Speaker 6: So the parasite is called Metacondi Gondi eye. It's a

1340
01:03:56,653 --> 01:04:00,333
Speaker 6: very minute, very minute parasite, so tiny that you'll never

1341
01:04:00,373 --> 01:04:03,013
Speaker 6: see it with the naked eye. It's it's a microscopic thing.

1342
01:04:04,293 --> 01:04:06,853
Speaker 6: It's in the rodent cycle. It's in cats, rats and birds.

1343
01:04:07,893 --> 01:04:12,653
Speaker 6: Cats eat rats, cats eat birds, birds eat rats, and

1344
01:04:12,693 --> 01:04:16,133
Speaker 6: it's in their feces. So gardening is also something a new,

1345
01:04:16,213 --> 01:04:19,573
Speaker 6: more pregnant woman should watch out for because if there's

1346
01:04:19,613 --> 01:04:21,893
Speaker 6: some you catch it in the garden, then they can

1347
01:04:22,053 --> 01:04:22,853
Speaker 6: ingest it that way.

1348
01:04:23,413 --> 01:04:25,293
Speaker 2: So have you looked into because it it doesn't ever

1349
01:04:25,373 --> 01:04:27,893
Speaker 2: know It sounds like you've had this thing dead, this

1350
01:04:27,973 --> 01:04:32,973
Speaker 2: dead parasite, which sounds like totally punishing situation. But you

1351
01:04:33,013 --> 01:04:38,213
Speaker 2: haven't experienced any of the you know that talked about

1352
01:04:38,253 --> 01:04:39,133
Speaker 2: mental effects of it.

1353
01:04:39,213 --> 01:04:43,093
Speaker 6: Have you no, not at all. But having said that,

1354
01:04:43,973 --> 01:04:46,013
Speaker 6: it also was known to cause schizophrenia.

1355
01:04:46,293 --> 01:04:52,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And my brother was schizophrenic, all right, and he.

1356
01:04:52,693 --> 01:04:55,453
Speaker 6: May have been exposed to it as well or before

1357
01:04:55,533 --> 01:04:58,693
Speaker 6: he was born, because we you know, it's no fault

1358
01:04:58,733 --> 01:05:01,013
Speaker 6: of my mother or any of my parents, because they

1359
01:05:01,013 --> 01:05:03,293
Speaker 6: didn't know anything about this back in the nineteen sixties

1360
01:05:03,333 --> 01:05:06,853
Speaker 6: and nineteen fifties, you know, Yeah, it was nobody. Nobody

1361
01:05:06,893 --> 01:05:09,173
Speaker 6: had the knowledge that they've got now, yeah, you know,

1362
01:05:09,333 --> 01:05:11,133
Speaker 6: and it's only been in recent years that people have

1363
01:05:11,173 --> 01:05:13,213
Speaker 6: sort of said, you know, keep away from cats when

1364
01:05:13,213 --> 01:05:18,253
Speaker 6: you're pregnant, more so, keep away from their pieces as

1365
01:05:18,333 --> 01:05:20,493
Speaker 6: much as you can. But yet nobody really knew back

1366
01:05:20,533 --> 01:05:23,133
Speaker 6: in those days, so that you know, farmers were always

1367
01:05:23,133 --> 01:05:25,573
Speaker 6: out there scraping the rat pools off the deck and

1368
01:05:25,573 --> 01:05:27,893
Speaker 6: stuff like that, and you know, and there were always

1369
01:05:27,893 --> 01:05:32,253
Speaker 6: birds around and were kids. You know, children have an

1370
01:05:32,293 --> 01:05:35,533
Speaker 6: immunity to it, they can, but unborn babies don't. And

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01:05:35,573 --> 01:05:37,493
Speaker 6: that's that's when it gets them, right.

1372
01:05:38,173 --> 01:05:41,893
Speaker 2: And so when when it comes to the mental side

1373
01:05:41,893 --> 01:05:43,893
Speaker 2: of it, looking for a better word there, when it

1374
01:05:43,973 --> 01:05:47,973
Speaker 2: fixed something in your brain, is that a parasite did

1375
01:05:48,173 --> 01:05:50,773
Speaker 2: then as well? Or is that the result of an

1376
01:05:50,813 --> 01:05:51,773
Speaker 2: active parasite?

1377
01:05:52,853 --> 01:05:54,533
Speaker 6: Well, you need to talk to your will they never

1378
01:05:54,573 --> 01:05:57,133
Speaker 6: active belong dead. I mean they're probably only alive for

1379
01:05:57,213 --> 01:05:59,213
Speaker 6: a fraction of a second, but it's enough time to

1380
01:05:59,253 --> 01:06:04,093
Speaker 6: program your body to it your immune system and yeah,

1381
01:06:04,733 --> 01:06:08,373
Speaker 6: same as how people get malaria.

1382
01:06:07,253 --> 01:06:09,133
Speaker 3: And so did you get to for it? How did

1383
01:06:09,133 --> 01:06:12,533
Speaker 3: that start? So what symptoms were you're experiencing before you

1384
01:06:12,933 --> 01:06:14,893
Speaker 3: went to the doctors and they figured out it was

1385
01:06:15,293 --> 01:06:16,173
Speaker 3: this parasite?

1386
01:06:17,493 --> 01:06:19,893
Speaker 6: Yeah, well they my I specialists knew exactly what it was.

1387
01:06:19,933 --> 01:06:21,333
Speaker 6: And there's a lot of people in New Zealand with it.

1388
01:06:21,373 --> 01:06:23,453
Speaker 6: So people listen to the radio right now can relate

1389
01:06:23,493 --> 01:06:25,493
Speaker 6: to this conversation, I'm sure, and there'll be blind people

1390
01:06:25,533 --> 01:06:27,373
Speaker 6: out there that can relate to it too. So it

1391
01:06:27,493 --> 01:06:30,893
Speaker 6: is the leading cause of blindness in the world. Yeah,

1392
01:06:30,933 --> 01:06:32,933
Speaker 6: you know, been poking your eyeball out.

1393
01:06:33,413 --> 01:06:35,853
Speaker 2: It's funny how little a lot of us know about it,

1394
01:06:35,973 --> 01:06:40,413
Speaker 2: considering how massive a deal it is. You know, forty

1395
01:06:40,453 --> 01:06:41,773
Speaker 2: thousand people affect with it.

1396
01:06:42,133 --> 01:06:45,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, well you know it's forty.

1397
01:06:45,093 --> 01:06:48,053
Speaker 2: Thousand people showing symptoms, like, not just forty thousand, like

1398
01:06:48,133 --> 01:06:51,093
Speaker 2: the number of people that have been infected by a

1399
01:06:51,173 --> 01:06:54,093
Speaker 2: phenomenal Yeah, but as you say, we will, we will

1400
01:06:54,133 --> 01:06:56,293
Speaker 2: we will. We're trying to get the professor on to

1401
01:06:56,933 --> 01:06:57,413
Speaker 2: discuss this.

1402
01:06:57,933 --> 01:07:00,493
Speaker 6: Yeah, and right, he'll tell you the nerdy g ready.

1403
01:07:00,573 --> 01:07:03,213
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, we'll punish them with our technical questions. But hey,

1404
01:07:03,253 --> 01:07:05,853
Speaker 2: thank you so much, Andrew. And you live in Topor,

1405
01:07:05,973 --> 01:07:06,373
Speaker 2: Is that right?

1406
01:07:07,653 --> 01:07:12,093
Speaker 6: That's great when I'm when I'm fine, it is, and

1407
01:07:12,613 --> 01:07:14,693
Speaker 6: my vision is fine. I mean, I can see perfectly well.

1408
01:07:14,693 --> 01:07:16,853
Speaker 6: I can drive perfectly well. And that's only because the

1409
01:07:17,173 --> 01:07:21,093
Speaker 6: the lesions are in my peripheral. In the inside of

1410
01:07:21,093 --> 01:07:24,053
Speaker 6: my peripher my other eye overlaps it, but my other

1411
01:07:24,093 --> 01:07:26,893
Speaker 6: eye actually compensates for the for the dead area in

1412
01:07:26,973 --> 01:07:29,853
Speaker 6: my peripheral which is caused by the by the lesions.

1413
01:07:30,653 --> 01:07:35,053
Speaker 6: When I do get the lesions, they fire horrible antibiotics,

1414
01:07:35,133 --> 01:07:39,253
Speaker 6: the strongest antibiotics apparent. You can get and and steroids

1415
01:07:39,373 --> 01:07:42,453
Speaker 6: as well, both antibolic and drops. And it will go

1416
01:07:42,493 --> 01:07:45,173
Speaker 6: away in about four weeks. It'll it'll clear up in

1417
01:07:45,173 --> 01:07:47,133
Speaker 6: four weeks and then all the muck and everything in

1418
01:07:47,173 --> 01:07:50,053
Speaker 6: the eye sort of goes away, and then you can

1419
01:07:50,093 --> 01:07:53,013
Speaker 6: and then it's like it's like somebody's taken a rag

1420
01:07:53,133 --> 01:07:55,613
Speaker 6: and wipe the inside of the windshield of a car

1421
01:07:56,173 --> 01:07:58,293
Speaker 6: so that you can actually see through it again and

1422
01:07:58,613 --> 01:07:59,813
Speaker 6: in that time I can't drive.

1423
01:08:00,733 --> 01:08:03,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, Andrew,

1424
01:08:03,653 --> 01:08:06,213
Speaker 2: and hopefully that does not come back. It's been away

1425
01:08:06,253 --> 01:08:06,853
Speaker 2: for ten years.

1426
01:08:06,893 --> 01:08:09,493
Speaker 3: But it's terrizing, isn't so really terrifying?

1427
01:08:09,573 --> 01:08:12,533
Speaker 2: She's born with this parasite. Parasite dies and then you

1428
01:08:12,533 --> 01:08:15,333
Speaker 2: have to deal with the results. Ever, so we need

1429
01:08:15,333 --> 01:08:19,093
Speaker 2: to kill all rodents and cats too. Yep. Wow, someone

1430
01:08:19,093 --> 01:08:22,492
Speaker 2: says all cats should be eliminated immediately. I mean, it's

1431
01:08:22,532 --> 01:08:24,093
Speaker 2: not really the point we're trying to get across here.

1432
01:08:24,412 --> 01:08:27,493
Speaker 2: We're not trying to start anti cat sentiment in the community.

1433
01:08:27,612 --> 01:08:29,932
Speaker 2: We're just probably trying to suggest maybe wash your hands

1434
01:08:29,973 --> 01:08:33,092
Speaker 2: after you've cleaned out a litter box, and if you're pregnant,

1435
01:08:33,612 --> 01:08:34,692
Speaker 2: be careful in you're gardening.

1436
01:08:34,732 --> 01:08:36,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe wear some gloves.

1437
01:08:36,173 --> 01:08:39,412
Speaker 2: Rather than setting up cat death camps at this stage

1438
01:08:39,572 --> 01:08:41,812
Speaker 2: at the stage, but we'll look into it if things

1439
01:08:41,853 --> 01:08:42,532
Speaker 2: get worse. Yeah.

1440
01:08:42,612 --> 01:08:44,372
Speaker 3: Oh, eight, one hundred and eight, ten eighty is the

1441
01:08:44,492 --> 01:08:47,412
Speaker 3: number to call. It is eighteen to three.

1442
01:08:47,492 --> 01:08:51,852
Speaker 1: Back in a Moth, Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you

1443
01:08:51,933 --> 01:08:54,972
Speaker 1: as your afternoon rolls on. Mad Heath and Tyler Adams

1444
01:08:55,053 --> 01:08:59,253
Speaker 1: afternoons News TALKSB News Talks HEB.

1445
01:08:59,333 --> 01:09:02,372
Speaker 3: We're talking about this fascinating study into a parasite called

1446
01:09:02,452 --> 01:09:07,452
Speaker 3: ocular toxoplasmosis. Up to forty thousand people in New Zealand

1447
01:09:07,732 --> 01:09:12,052
Speaker 3: are affected, ten thousand seriously impacted. It's spread by cats

1448
01:09:12,293 --> 01:09:15,652
Speaker 3: and can cause permanent vision loss. So can you hear

1449
01:09:15,652 --> 01:09:18,732
Speaker 3: from you if you're rethinking how you deal with your

1450
01:09:18,772 --> 01:09:22,253
Speaker 3: lovely cats at home? Oh, eight hundred AC ten eighty

1451
01:09:22,253 --> 01:09:23,172
Speaker 3: it is pretty terrifying.

1452
01:09:23,213 --> 01:09:24,892
Speaker 2: Well, we don't want this response. Well, you guys have

1453
01:09:24,933 --> 01:09:27,572
Speaker 2: put the ships up me now, cat and car now

1454
01:09:27,652 --> 01:09:29,812
Speaker 2: on his final trip to the vet. I mean, come, Scott,

1455
01:09:29,812 --> 01:09:30,572
Speaker 2: that's not what we're saying.

1456
01:09:30,612 --> 01:09:32,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right to the extreme end, Scott. You know,

1457
01:09:32,652 --> 01:09:34,412
Speaker 3: all we said was just wash your hands and maybe

1458
01:09:34,492 --> 01:09:35,412
Speaker 3: maybe we're some gloves.

1459
01:09:35,532 --> 01:09:38,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not fear mongering. We're fear forming, which is

1460
01:09:40,412 --> 01:09:43,572
Speaker 2: fear mongering and informing at the same time. I'm just

1461
01:09:43,612 --> 01:09:47,772
Speaker 2: looking here at about we'll look into a lot of

1462
01:09:47,772 --> 01:09:50,692
Speaker 2: people asking, you know, if you've got a cat, there's

1463
01:09:50,772 --> 01:09:53,412
Speaker 2: a whatever percentage chance that you have been infected by

1464
01:09:53,412 --> 01:10:00,172
Speaker 2: the parasite, and whether it's worth looking getting yourself tested.

1465
01:10:00,452 --> 01:10:01,892
Speaker 2: But we need to get to the bottom of this.

1466
01:10:02,013 --> 01:10:02,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do.

1467
01:10:02,692 --> 01:10:05,612
Speaker 2: So we're trying to get the expert on because talking

1468
01:10:05,612 --> 01:10:10,213
Speaker 2: to Andrew before he was infected, before he was born. Yes,

1469
01:10:10,692 --> 01:10:12,732
Speaker 2: and as you get older, it would seem you are

1470
01:10:12,933 --> 01:10:16,293
Speaker 2: a likely to have immunity and it can protect yourself

1471
01:10:16,333 --> 01:10:16,612
Speaker 2: from it.

1472
01:10:16,772 --> 01:10:18,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we need to get to the bottom of

1473
01:10:18,532 --> 01:10:21,253
Speaker 3: that because there's the story and indicates there was a woman,

1474
01:10:21,333 --> 01:10:23,972
Speaker 3: Daniel Wilson who got at a new thirty. So whether

1475
01:10:24,013 --> 01:10:26,973
Speaker 3: she always had it or whether she developed it later on,

1476
01:10:27,053 --> 01:10:29,532
Speaker 3: but really hoping we can have a chat to who

1477
01:10:29,933 --> 01:10:32,013
Speaker 3: that professor before the end of this hour. Oh eight

1478
01:10:32,133 --> 01:10:33,852
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1479
01:10:34,013 --> 01:10:37,013
Speaker 2: I've got two exclusively indoor kitties and twin kids. I've

1480
01:10:37,053 --> 01:10:40,213
Speaker 2: handled more cat poop than any human alive. Am I

1481
01:10:40,333 --> 01:10:43,052
Speaker 2: still in existence? I think? So you managed to text,

1482
01:10:43,053 --> 01:10:43,852
Speaker 2: which is a good sign.

1483
01:10:43,973 --> 01:10:46,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, so far, so good for you.

1484
01:10:46,213 --> 01:10:47,293
Speaker 2: Jan, Welcome to the show.

1485
01:10:48,732 --> 01:10:54,492
Speaker 19: Hi, thank you. My doctor got it when she was toddler.

1486
01:10:55,492 --> 01:10:59,333
Speaker 19: We never had any cats in the house and nobody

1487
01:10:59,333 --> 01:11:03,732
Speaker 19: we knew had one, but obviously niggbor's cats well sorry

1488
01:11:04,652 --> 01:11:07,452
Speaker 19: neighbors cats or cats to the area would have come

1489
01:11:08,053 --> 01:11:13,333
Speaker 19: on to ppacy, but she almost lost the sight into

1490
01:11:13,333 --> 01:11:17,972
Speaker 19: her eye in her early twenties because the retina started

1491
01:11:18,013 --> 01:11:21,813
Speaker 19: to detach. And luckily she happened to have an appointment

1492
01:11:21,853 --> 01:11:26,652
Speaker 19: with a specialist on the day and he said, you've

1493
01:11:26,652 --> 01:11:32,093
Speaker 19: got two choices. You either hospital tonight or be the

1494
01:11:32,213 --> 01:11:37,293
Speaker 19: assistant tomorrow morning. And she said, on a y, I'll

1495
01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:40,572
Speaker 19: be there in the morning. And she said to him,

1496
01:11:40,893 --> 01:11:43,892
Speaker 19: what if there's an emergency when I get pushed back,

1497
01:11:44,412 --> 01:11:46,613
Speaker 19: and he said, no, you are the emergency.

1498
01:11:46,973 --> 01:11:47,253
Speaker 2: Wow.

1499
01:11:47,333 --> 01:11:50,093
Speaker 19: If we don't do anything, you will lose the sight

1500
01:11:50,293 --> 01:11:50,892
Speaker 19: in that eye.

1501
01:11:51,213 --> 01:11:53,933
Speaker 2: Oh, thank goodness. And so at that point did you

1502
01:11:54,053 --> 01:11:59,293
Speaker 2: know already that toxo plasmosis was that she had it?

1503
01:11:59,372 --> 01:12:01,173
Speaker 2: Did you know that? Or was that when you found out?

1504
01:12:02,213 --> 01:12:06,852
Speaker 19: No, we knew she had it. The attacks spot progressively.

1505
01:12:07,732 --> 01:12:09,972
Speaker 2: Place to get So how did you find out that

1506
01:12:10,013 --> 01:12:12,093
Speaker 2: she got it? That that she had it?

1507
01:12:13,173 --> 01:12:16,572
Speaker 19: She hadn't been well and she must have. I think

1508
01:12:16,612 --> 01:12:19,772
Speaker 19: she had blood tests and showed up there. In some

1509
01:12:19,853 --> 01:12:24,732
Speaker 19: countries the prenatal blood tests a composory. I think the

1510
01:12:24,812 --> 01:12:27,532
Speaker 19: UK is one of them. Australia as wrong.

1511
01:12:28,933 --> 01:12:32,093
Speaker 2: And is that the only way it manifests in your

1512
01:12:32,173 --> 01:12:36,852
Speaker 2: daughter with the eye problem. Yes, right, And how is

1513
01:12:36,893 --> 01:12:37,452
Speaker 2: she doing now?

1514
01:12:37,933 --> 01:12:38,093
Speaker 14: Jan?

1515
01:12:39,173 --> 01:12:41,572
Speaker 19: Well, it forced her career change or a change of

1516
01:12:41,652 --> 01:12:47,492
Speaker 19: thought for Korea, but you know that is what it

1517
01:12:47,532 --> 01:12:49,852
Speaker 19: is she has to do with that, and luckily she

1518
01:12:49,973 --> 01:12:50,532
Speaker 19: got his sight.

1519
01:12:50,973 --> 01:12:54,173
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. So when you say career change, what was

1520
01:12:54,173 --> 01:12:55,932
Speaker 2: the what was the career that she was in?

1521
01:12:57,372 --> 01:13:01,892
Speaker 19: She wanted to be in the defense force and she

1522
01:13:01,933 --> 01:13:08,333
Speaker 19: would have to do officer training and they wouldn't accept

1523
01:13:08,452 --> 01:13:13,133
Speaker 19: effect that she had almost detachment changed.

1524
01:13:15,532 --> 01:13:19,012
Speaker 2: Does she still get fleer ups? Sorry, does she still

1525
01:13:19,053 --> 01:13:19,812
Speaker 2: get fleer ups?

1526
01:13:22,013 --> 01:13:23,333
Speaker 19: Hasn't had one for a wee wi?

1527
01:13:23,893 --> 01:13:27,173
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah? Because well, Hey, thank you so much and

1528
01:13:27,532 --> 01:13:30,013
Speaker 2: all the best to you and your daughter. Thank you

1529
01:13:30,093 --> 01:13:31,812
Speaker 2: very much, Thank you sharing bye.

1530
01:13:32,492 --> 01:13:35,692
Speaker 3: I mean that shows how serious this thing is, I mean,

1531
01:13:35,732 --> 01:13:38,973
Speaker 3: incredibly scary for Jan and her daughter, and thankfully it

1532
01:13:38,973 --> 01:13:43,012
Speaker 3: appears things are okay. But having to change careers because

1533
01:13:43,053 --> 01:13:44,092
Speaker 3: of it pretty cruel.

1534
01:13:45,652 --> 01:13:48,213
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've I didn't actually have any idea

1535
01:13:48,293 --> 01:13:51,333
Speaker 2: how full on this is. You can become infected with

1536
01:13:51,532 --> 01:13:56,692
Speaker 2: toxoplasmosis through the following food borne transmission eating contaminated undercooked

1537
01:13:56,692 --> 01:14:01,093
Speaker 2: meat or shelfish or unwashed contaminated fresh produce animal to

1538
01:14:01,173 --> 01:14:05,812
Speaker 2: human transmission accidentally consuming the parasite through contact with cat feces, poop,

1539
01:14:05,933 --> 01:14:10,333
Speaker 2: or contaminated soil that contain ME toxi plasma. Mother to

1540
01:14:10,452 --> 01:14:14,492
Speaker 2: child mother to child congenital transmission when a newly infected

1541
01:14:14,492 --> 01:14:17,612
Speaker 2: mother passes infection to their unborn child are the modes

1542
01:14:17,652 --> 01:14:21,412
Speaker 2: of transmission. Receiving an affected organ transport plant, or infected

1543
01:14:21,492 --> 01:14:24,852
Speaker 2: blood via transfusion. Over forty million people are infected with

1544
01:14:24,893 --> 01:14:27,532
Speaker 2: the parasite in the United States alone. Most people with

1545
01:14:27,652 --> 01:14:32,452
Speaker 2: healthy immune systems who get toxic plasmosis do not have symptoms. Yeah, yeah, so,

1546
01:14:32,532 --> 01:14:34,852
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's that what we were saying before.

1547
01:14:34,893 --> 01:14:37,612
Speaker 2: With the high percentage of people that are likely infected

1548
01:14:37,612 --> 01:14:39,293
Speaker 2: with them, most of them will never know.

1549
01:14:39,372 --> 01:14:42,412
Speaker 3: Dormant and stays dormant for most never never experienced it. Y, Yeah,

1550
01:14:42,612 --> 01:14:44,812
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number to call.

1551
01:14:44,893 --> 01:14:49,612
Speaker 3: It is ten to three beggary surely the issues.

1552
01:14:49,253 --> 01:14:51,732
Speaker 1: That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

1553
01:14:51,973 --> 01:14:56,012
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talksby.

1554
01:14:56,893 --> 01:14:59,772
Speaker 3: Good Afternoon, it is seven to two three, and we've

1555
01:14:59,812 --> 01:15:04,333
Speaker 3: been talking about this parasite. It is or causes ocular

1556
01:15:04,893 --> 01:15:09,293
Speaker 3: Tokso plasmosis up to forty thousand New Zealanders impacted by

1557
01:15:09,412 --> 01:15:11,892
Speaker 3: ten thousand seriously impacted, scared, and.

1558
01:15:11,853 --> 01:15:13,612
Speaker 2: Lots of us have got it but aren't even showing

1559
01:15:13,652 --> 01:15:17,013
Speaker 2: the Simpsons industry before I was saying that dolphins are

1560
01:15:17,053 --> 01:15:19,213
Speaker 2: at risk from it, which seemed like a crazy claim

1561
01:15:19,253 --> 01:15:22,293
Speaker 2: to make, but I am just on the Department of

1562
01:15:22,293 --> 01:15:25,973
Speaker 2: Conservation site and it says that it is a significant

1563
01:15:26,013 --> 01:15:30,612
Speaker 2: threat to hectors and Maui dolphins. Cats. Cats are the

1564
01:15:30,612 --> 01:15:34,612
Speaker 2: only animal in which toxoplasma parasite can sexually reproduce. The

1565
01:15:34,652 --> 01:15:37,492
Speaker 2: parasite creates eggs and the guts of the cats that

1566
01:15:37,532 --> 01:15:40,093
Speaker 2: are spread into the environment by cat feces, where they

1567
01:15:40,093 --> 01:15:43,133
Speaker 2: can survive for many months. Rainwater and run off transport

1568
01:15:43,213 --> 01:15:46,572
Speaker 2: the eggs into streams, rivers, and stormwater drains, as well

1569
01:15:46,612 --> 01:15:50,013
Speaker 2: as wastewater when cat feces or kitty litter has been

1570
01:15:50,053 --> 01:15:54,013
Speaker 2: flushed down the toilet. The dolphins can then become infected

1571
01:15:54,013 --> 01:15:57,732
Speaker 2: when they ingest contaminated water or fish. There is no

1572
01:15:57,893 --> 01:16:03,293
Speaker 2: vaccine available for cats or docks dolphins. Unfortunately, toxoplasma eggs

1573
01:16:03,333 --> 01:16:06,092
Speaker 2: cannot be treated by standard wastewater treatment, so it says

1574
01:16:06,532 --> 01:16:09,612
Speaker 2: keep cats and doors. Well doing that, it's cats everywhere

1575
01:16:09,652 --> 01:16:10,492
Speaker 2: all over our fence.

1576
01:16:10,652 --> 01:16:12,652
Speaker 3: How unfair to the Hector's dolphin. You know, they're in

1577
01:16:12,692 --> 01:16:15,532
Speaker 3: a different environment. They don't expect to have cat feces

1578
01:16:15,612 --> 01:16:17,813
Speaker 3: infect their little world and get.

1579
01:16:17,812 --> 01:16:19,932
Speaker 2: Like, I haven't even heard of cats. I've ever seen

1580
01:16:20,013 --> 01:16:23,933
Speaker 2: one disposed of cat feces in the rubbish spin, not

1581
01:16:24,013 --> 01:16:25,932
Speaker 2: the toilet. They're like cats hate swimming and they're still

1582
01:16:25,933 --> 01:16:28,532
Speaker 2: getting us in there. Spey or new to your cat.

1583
01:16:28,572 --> 01:16:33,452
Speaker 2: Do not abandon unwanted cats or feed feral cats. Support

1584
01:16:33,492 --> 01:16:38,732
Speaker 2: with wetland conservation, which stops eggs reaching the ocean. Include

1585
01:16:38,732 --> 01:16:41,173
Speaker 2: green spaces in your garden or backguard to help filter

1586
01:16:41,293 --> 01:16:44,452
Speaker 2: rain water and reduce storm water runoff. That's what they

1587
01:16:44,452 --> 01:16:46,933
Speaker 2: suggest to try and help the dolphins. Yeah, okay, all

1588
01:16:47,013 --> 01:16:49,572
Speaker 2: very well with the dolphins, but we've got people that

1589
01:16:49,652 --> 01:16:55,933
Speaker 2: are dealing with it, like Graham here. You've experienced this parasite, Graham.

1590
01:16:56,572 --> 01:17:00,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did when I was certain I'm sixty nine

1591
01:17:00,333 --> 01:17:05,372
Speaker 4: now certain rubbing my right eye before going to school

1592
01:17:05,412 --> 01:17:10,973
Speaker 4: one morning and couldn't see out my left like it

1593
01:17:11,093 --> 01:17:15,013
Speaker 4: was blind. So my mother raised me down to the

1594
01:17:15,133 --> 01:17:18,732
Speaker 4: gpe's office down the road. He looked at it and

1595
01:17:18,772 --> 01:17:21,652
Speaker 4: he said, I can't see anything. Your eye is milky.

1596
01:17:21,692 --> 01:17:26,732
Speaker 4: It's all milky inside. And he made an appointment at

1597
01:17:26,812 --> 01:17:29,973
Speaker 4: the hospital for me, and I was taken into the

1598
01:17:30,053 --> 01:17:35,772
Speaker 4: hospital and they didn't really know what it was, and

1599
01:17:36,133 --> 01:17:38,492
Speaker 4: they said, we need for it to clear so we

1600
01:17:38,532 --> 01:17:43,293
Speaker 4: could see. So in a couple of weeks time they

1601
01:17:43,973 --> 01:17:46,173
Speaker 4: I went back in from another appointment and they said

1602
01:17:46,213 --> 01:17:51,012
Speaker 4: it was this toxoplasmosis. There was something I'd obviously got

1603
01:17:51,053 --> 01:17:53,732
Speaker 4: from a cat or you know, something to do with

1604
01:17:53,812 --> 01:17:58,133
Speaker 4: a cat. And when it cleared up properly they could

1605
01:17:58,173 --> 01:18:02,532
Speaker 4: see through that, they could see my retina detached at

1606
01:18:02,572 --> 01:18:03,652
Speaker 4: the back of the eye.

1607
01:18:04,652 --> 01:18:08,253
Speaker 2: It's horrible. Gram Yeah, boy, we were just run out

1608
01:18:08,293 --> 01:18:09,692
Speaker 2: of time for there. We'll try and come back to

1609
01:18:09,732 --> 01:18:13,052
Speaker 2: this after the breaks A hold on the air. Graham, yep, absolutely,

1610
01:18:13,093 --> 01:18:14,572
Speaker 2: oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you

1611
01:18:14,612 --> 01:18:16,532
Speaker 2: want to join in on this conversation as well, we'll

1612
01:18:16,532 --> 01:18:18,772
Speaker 2: pick this back up after three o'clock. And we're still

1613
01:18:18,772 --> 01:18:21,293
Speaker 2: hoping to have a chat to one of the authors

1614
01:18:21,293 --> 01:18:26,133
Speaker 2: of this study, doctor francisque March Dribo, so hopefully we'll

1615
01:18:26,173 --> 01:18:28,852
Speaker 2: get them on before the shows done.

1616
01:18:29,133 --> 01:18:31,572
Speaker 3: At four o'clock. But oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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01:18:31,612 --> 01:18:34,093
Speaker 3: is the number four new sport and weather on its way.

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01:18:34,093 --> 01:18:36,692
Speaker 3: Great Devy Company is always You're listening to matt and Tyler.

1619
01:18:42,013 --> 01:18:46,533
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining Talk. It's Mattie

1620
01:18:46,572 --> 01:18:49,652
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1621
01:18:49,772 --> 01:18:51,812
Speaker 16: Sebby, Good to you.

1622
01:18:51,853 --> 01:18:53,972
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show. Seven past three.

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01:18:53,893 --> 01:18:57,612
Speaker 2: Before we get back to toxoplasmosis which is really blowing up,

1624
01:18:57,692 --> 01:18:59,892
Speaker 2: and we'll bring an expert on the show to answer

1625
01:18:59,933 --> 01:19:03,173
Speaker 2: any questions you have around that disease that since we're

1626
01:19:03,173 --> 01:19:05,612
Speaker 2: affecting a lot of New Zealanders that parasite, I should

1627
01:19:05,612 --> 01:19:07,812
Speaker 2: say I've had an initiative I want to do on

1628
01:19:07,812 --> 01:19:09,532
Speaker 2: this show because I bought this album by this New

1629
01:19:09,652 --> 01:19:12,933
Speaker 2: Zealand band called Zoom in the weekend. I bought it

1630
01:19:13,013 --> 01:19:16,053
Speaker 2: on red vinyl and I've been blasting it. And look,

1631
01:19:16,372 --> 01:19:18,372
Speaker 2: you might have heard of Voom. They've been around for

1632
01:19:18,412 --> 01:19:20,053
Speaker 2: a very very long time, but they're a band that

1633
01:19:20,093 --> 01:19:22,492
Speaker 2: moves at are kind of glacial pace, like I think

1634
01:19:22,492 --> 01:19:25,253
Speaker 2: it's taken two decades basically to make this album. But

1635
01:19:25,372 --> 01:19:28,293
Speaker 2: you'll know lots of their songs like King Kong and

1636
01:19:28,372 --> 01:19:31,852
Speaker 2: best great great band, like some of our best songwriters

1637
01:19:31,893 --> 01:19:34,293
Speaker 2: in the entire country. I was thinking, you know, you

1638
01:19:34,293 --> 01:19:37,772
Speaker 2: can bring up something and people might hear about it,

1639
01:19:37,853 --> 01:19:40,452
Speaker 2: might not. But I've decided to spend the entire week

1640
01:19:41,732 --> 01:19:43,492
Speaker 2: talking up this album. I don't get anything from it.

1641
01:19:43,532 --> 01:19:45,532
Speaker 2: I just felt so excited by listening to this album

1642
01:19:46,333 --> 01:19:49,772
Speaker 2: that I'm going to finish each show for this week

1643
01:19:50,213 --> 01:19:51,973
Speaker 2: at the end of this hour and at the end

1644
01:19:51,973 --> 01:19:54,333
Speaker 2: of every three o'clock hour for the rest of the

1645
01:19:54,372 --> 01:19:58,172
Speaker 2: week playing a song from Voom. Something good is happening

1646
01:19:58,213 --> 01:19:59,572
Speaker 2: the album and.

1647
01:19:59,452 --> 01:20:00,612
Speaker 3: You're lucky, lucky people.

1648
01:20:00,652 --> 01:20:02,452
Speaker 2: This isn't even in New Zealand music I understand this

1649
01:20:02,492 --> 01:20:04,532
Speaker 2: New Zealand Music Month. This isn't even a New Zealand

1650
01:20:04,612 --> 01:20:09,253
Speaker 2: Music Month initiative. This is just Zoom on read beautiful

1651
01:20:09,452 --> 01:20:12,333
Speaker 2: red vinyl with this car with a tree going at it.

1652
01:20:12,333 --> 01:20:15,012
Speaker 2: It's just such a good album. And their previous album

1653
01:20:15,093 --> 01:20:16,892
Speaker 2: was fantastic as well. It came out a very very

1654
01:20:16,893 --> 01:20:18,412
Speaker 2: long time ago. But great band.

1655
01:20:18,612 --> 01:20:20,333
Speaker 3: You just want to gift the people. You've heard there

1656
01:20:20,532 --> 01:20:23,093
Speaker 3: some amazing album, amazing songs, so you just want to

1657
01:20:23,133 --> 01:20:25,452
Speaker 3: help gift a bit of that magic to the listeners.

1658
01:20:25,452 --> 01:20:30,052
Speaker 2: They're just such good songwriters. Bus what a legend. They're

1659
01:20:30,093 --> 01:20:33,492
Speaker 2: just great songwriters and they need to be celebrated. So

1660
01:20:34,253 --> 01:20:36,892
Speaker 2: I'm going to celebrate them until someone from management comes

1661
01:20:36,933 --> 01:20:38,093
Speaker 2: in and stops me.

1662
01:20:38,053 --> 01:20:39,932
Speaker 3: And we're going to lock the door if they try

1663
01:20:39,973 --> 01:20:41,852
Speaker 3: and do that. But that is a little bit later

1664
01:20:42,372 --> 01:20:44,293
Speaker 3: at the end of the show, because right now we

1665
01:20:44,333 --> 01:20:47,012
Speaker 3: are talking about this dirty old parasite that is spread

1666
01:20:47,053 --> 01:20:51,013
Speaker 3: by cats called oh killer tankso players mosis, and it

1667
01:20:51,093 --> 01:20:54,173
Speaker 3: is incredibly significant in New Zealand and around the world.

1668
01:20:54,293 --> 01:20:56,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, and they made forty thousand New Zealand's

1669
01:20:56,452 --> 01:21:00,092
Speaker 2: are affected by it, with ten thousand facing serious vision damage.

1670
01:21:00,093 --> 01:21:02,333
Speaker 2: And we've heard of it a lot of people today.

1671
01:21:02,372 --> 01:21:04,572
Speaker 2: It can cause lifelong scarring and the rest and are

1672
01:21:04,572 --> 01:21:07,652
Speaker 2: resulting in permanent vision loss. It's quite full on New

1673
01:21:07,692 --> 01:21:09,812
Speaker 2: Zealand as one of the highest and fiction rates globally

1674
01:21:09,893 --> 01:21:13,053
Speaker 2: up to forty three percent in some regions. And you

1675
01:21:13,093 --> 01:21:16,812
Speaker 2: can be affected by it, but not necessarily manifesting. You're

1676
01:21:16,812 --> 01:21:20,572
Speaker 2: not seeing any symptoms of it. But cat feces are

1677
01:21:21,053 --> 01:21:24,293
Speaker 2: the main culprit. Graham, we were talking to you before

1678
01:21:24,372 --> 01:21:27,132
Speaker 2: you first discovered that you had it, when you were thirteen.

1679
01:21:28,333 --> 01:21:31,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, yeah, yeah, And so where we left

1680
01:21:31,732 --> 01:21:35,612
Speaker 3: the conversation, Graham, and it had been discovered by your

1681
01:21:35,692 --> 01:21:38,933
Speaker 3: doctor that you had you rubbed your eye and you

1682
01:21:38,973 --> 01:21:41,372
Speaker 3: went to the doctor or the optometrist and saw that

1683
01:21:41,452 --> 01:21:42,972
Speaker 3: milkiness behind the eye. Is that right?

1684
01:21:43,253 --> 01:21:44,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

1685
01:21:45,452 --> 01:21:45,772
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1686
01:21:45,853 --> 01:21:49,372
Speaker 4: And when it cleared up, they could see that the

1687
01:21:49,412 --> 01:21:53,812
Speaker 4: retina detached quite badly, and that's why I couldn't see anything.

1688
01:21:55,173 --> 01:21:57,173
Speaker 4: So they sent me off to a specialist in the

1689
01:21:57,173 --> 01:22:03,813
Speaker 4: old Harley buildings there by the river, and he decided

1690
01:22:03,893 --> 01:22:08,333
Speaker 4: that he could repair it by stitching the retina back

1691
01:22:08,333 --> 01:22:10,652
Speaker 4: gone to the inside of the eye. Because I never

1692
01:22:10,692 --> 01:22:12,173
Speaker 4: had lasers back in those days.

1693
01:22:12,253 --> 01:22:13,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's fine.

1694
01:22:13,532 --> 01:22:16,452
Speaker 2: That's some fine needle work.

1695
01:22:17,652 --> 01:22:19,772
Speaker 4: Blew me away. Even at thirteen. It was like you

1696
01:22:19,812 --> 01:22:23,572
Speaker 4: can do that, yeah, you know sort of thing. And

1697
01:22:25,133 --> 01:22:25,812
Speaker 4: didn't work.

1698
01:22:26,173 --> 01:22:26,852
Speaker 2: It didn't work.

1699
01:22:27,452 --> 01:22:31,372
Speaker 4: It didn't work. No, it didn't stay attached. No, it

1700
01:22:31,572 --> 01:22:35,692
Speaker 4: just sort of peeled back off again. That mean to you, Well,

1701
01:22:36,372 --> 01:22:39,292
Speaker 4: then I had I was completely blind in that eye.

1702
01:22:41,013 --> 01:22:43,572
Speaker 4: It did the usual things what happens when you when

1703
01:22:43,612 --> 01:22:47,652
Speaker 4: you go blind, and the eye shrunk and the jelly

1704
01:22:47,652 --> 01:22:52,772
Speaker 4: inside turned to liquid. People goes gray and it looks

1705
01:22:52,812 --> 01:22:55,612
Speaker 4: out to either to the left or the right. So

1706
01:22:56,013 --> 01:22:58,652
Speaker 4: when I was seventeen, they decided to take it out.

1707
01:22:58,732 --> 01:23:01,732
Speaker 4: So they took it out and gave me a plastic one.

1708
01:23:01,933 --> 01:23:04,972
Speaker 2: Wow, right, so plastic not glass?

1709
01:23:05,893 --> 01:23:12,572
Speaker 4: No, well they have my glass. People think it's glass.

1710
01:23:10,692 --> 01:23:13,973
Speaker 2: And that does that popping and out Graham like you

1711
01:23:14,013 --> 01:23:14,892
Speaker 2: put it in every morning.

1712
01:23:15,053 --> 01:23:17,972
Speaker 4: Yeah. A lot of people think it's around like a marble,

1713
01:23:18,093 --> 01:23:21,012
Speaker 4: like a ball, but it's not round. It's it's shape.

1714
01:23:21,053 --> 01:23:22,852
Speaker 4: It's got to it's got a concave back out at

1715
01:23:22,853 --> 01:23:25,333
Speaker 4: the back of it's all been taken out because it's

1716
01:23:25,492 --> 01:23:28,612
Speaker 4: it's a white resin blank and they use oil paints

1717
01:23:28,612 --> 01:23:32,612
Speaker 4: to paint the color and onto it, the iris and

1718
01:23:32,652 --> 01:23:37,173
Speaker 4: everything and the purple is all painted and it's a

1719
01:23:37,253 --> 01:23:39,213
Speaker 4: guy at christ Church Hospital has been doing it for

1720
01:23:39,293 --> 01:23:42,372
Speaker 4: quite a long time. And then they put it back

1721
01:23:42,412 --> 01:23:44,532
Speaker 4: in a mold and they mold the shape into it

1722
01:23:44,612 --> 01:23:47,412
Speaker 4: and buff it all up and the way you go.

1723
01:23:47,532 --> 01:23:50,213
Speaker 4: So I've had that now since I was seventeen.

1724
01:23:50,293 --> 01:23:52,452
Speaker 2: There and what does it feel like? What does it

1725
01:23:52,452 --> 01:23:53,892
Speaker 2: feel like in your eye?

1726
01:23:54,173 --> 01:23:54,333
Speaker 10: Is it?

1727
01:23:54,452 --> 01:23:56,732
Speaker 2: I mean you you don't know it's there, you know?

1728
01:23:57,492 --> 01:23:57,652
Speaker 14: Right?

1729
01:23:58,372 --> 01:23:59,772
Speaker 4: I take it. I take it out when I go

1730
01:23:59,812 --> 01:24:02,452
Speaker 4: swimming right otherwise it can pop out in the water.

1731
01:24:02,492 --> 01:24:06,173
Speaker 4: I lost it once in the pool in Australia and

1732
01:24:06,213 --> 01:24:08,293
Speaker 4: they had to close the place down until we found it.

1733
01:24:08,532 --> 01:24:08,772
Speaker 3: Right.

1734
01:24:09,893 --> 01:24:12,612
Speaker 2: Have you have you got? Have you got kids? Graham?

1735
01:24:14,133 --> 01:24:14,773
Speaker 8: No?

1736
01:24:14,772 --> 01:24:18,012
Speaker 2: No, right, So you can't do that joke around. Someone goes,

1737
01:24:18,013 --> 01:24:19,252
Speaker 2: I've got my dad's eyes.

1738
01:24:19,053 --> 01:24:26,412
Speaker 4: And my kids love it, nieces and nephews and absolutely.

1739
01:24:27,732 --> 01:24:28,612
Speaker 2: Popping it out for them.

1740
01:24:28,692 --> 01:24:28,932
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1741
01:24:29,053 --> 01:24:32,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, And how's having vision? How's having vision in just

1742
01:24:32,053 --> 01:24:33,412
Speaker 2: one eye affected your life?

1743
01:24:33,492 --> 01:24:34,133
Speaker 13: Graham?

1744
01:24:35,213 --> 01:24:38,652
Speaker 4: Oh, I could have joined the Armed Forces, which I

1745
01:24:38,692 --> 01:24:43,852
Speaker 4: wanted to do. You can't fly a plane or a

1746
01:24:43,853 --> 01:24:49,492
Speaker 4: helicopter or drive people a passenger vehicle with people. When

1747
01:24:49,532 --> 01:24:53,412
Speaker 4: I was eighteen, I decided to go to Australia. I

1748
01:24:53,532 --> 01:24:58,412
Speaker 4: played rugby up until the end, and I played Semi

1749
01:24:58,452 --> 01:25:03,212
Speaker 4: Pro League and Australian Country League until I was thirty

1750
01:25:03,253 --> 01:25:07,732
Speaker 4: four when I came back here. But it hasn't apart

1751
01:25:07,812 --> 01:25:10,492
Speaker 4: from the Arms Services, yeah, it hadn't stopped me doing

1752
01:25:10,532 --> 01:25:13,452
Speaker 4: anything by drive. As long as my right eye is

1753
01:25:13,492 --> 01:25:16,333
Speaker 4: one hundred percent, I can hold a license. Soon as

1754
01:25:16,372 --> 01:25:20,133
Speaker 4: I lose one percent of that my right eye bang,

1755
01:25:20,173 --> 01:25:20,972
Speaker 4: goes my license.

1756
01:25:21,133 --> 01:25:23,253
Speaker 2: So when you were playing, when you were playing sport,

1757
01:25:23,492 --> 01:25:26,572
Speaker 2: did the you know, how did that affect your spatial

1758
01:25:26,692 --> 01:25:27,852
Speaker 2: awareness awareness?

1759
01:25:28,893 --> 01:25:34,652
Speaker 4: Tennis does snooker, does ball? Sports like that with a

1760
01:25:34,732 --> 01:25:39,253
Speaker 4: racket squash, but playing league, no.

1761
01:25:39,372 --> 01:25:40,772
Speaker 2: Just run it straight, running up the game.

1762
01:25:40,812 --> 01:25:42,612
Speaker 4: I had to make sure when when I was catching

1763
01:25:42,612 --> 01:25:45,253
Speaker 4: the ball the boy actually came to me. The guys

1764
01:25:45,853 --> 01:25:49,452
Speaker 4: that I was playing with new didn't bother me, And

1765
01:25:49,492 --> 01:25:51,053
Speaker 4: then I didn't want it to bother me.

1766
01:25:51,133 --> 01:25:53,772
Speaker 2: You know you, did it ever pop out in the

1767
01:25:53,812 --> 01:25:54,173
Speaker 2: head up?

1768
01:25:55,492 --> 01:25:58,572
Speaker 4: No swimming pool swimming?

1769
01:25:59,572 --> 01:26:02,852
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for sharing that, so that with us, Graham, you.

1770
01:26:02,853 --> 01:26:05,293
Speaker 4: Go, not a problem. That's a felthy thing to happen.

1771
01:26:06,213 --> 01:26:06,412
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1772
01:26:06,492 --> 01:26:10,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they went sure back then they thought I

1773
01:26:10,492 --> 01:26:11,652
Speaker 4: might even been from sheep.

1774
01:26:12,133 --> 01:26:15,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a quick question, Graham. Sorry to row back.

1775
01:26:15,213 --> 01:26:17,412
Speaker 3: But was it painful dad to have the ridden a

1776
01:26:17,492 --> 01:26:20,532
Speaker 3: detach and that process? So I'm speaking from a labor.

1777
01:26:20,893 --> 01:26:24,412
Speaker 4: I didn't detach, so there was no pain, right, I

1778
01:26:24,492 --> 01:26:27,452
Speaker 4: just was rubbing my right I couldn't see anything out

1779
01:26:27,492 --> 01:26:28,173
Speaker 4: of my left eid.

1780
01:26:28,492 --> 01:26:29,213
Speaker 7: What the hell?

1781
01:26:30,572 --> 01:26:33,812
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, yeah, there was a big panic in the family.

1782
01:26:33,853 --> 01:26:33,933
Speaker 20: That.

1783
01:26:34,572 --> 01:26:36,772
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds off a lot of school don't you.

1784
01:26:37,372 --> 01:26:40,012
Speaker 2: It sounds like you've been reasonably philosophical about it across

1785
01:26:40,053 --> 01:26:41,293
Speaker 2: your life and.

1786
01:26:41,333 --> 01:26:43,852
Speaker 11: You do you know what you du Yeah, yeah you can.

1787
01:26:43,973 --> 01:26:45,372
Speaker 4: One of those philosophy happened.

1788
01:26:45,412 --> 01:26:47,492
Speaker 2: You can't spend your whole life angry at a horrible

1789
01:26:47,492 --> 01:26:49,653
Speaker 2: little parasite. It won't change anything.

1790
01:26:49,893 --> 01:26:52,612
Speaker 4: Yeah, otherwise I would have been a mean fella for

1791
01:26:52,652 --> 01:26:53,213
Speaker 4: a long time.

1792
01:26:53,333 --> 01:26:55,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely sound like you're not a mean fellas.

1793
01:26:55,572 --> 01:26:56,932
Speaker 2: So thank you so much for you called Graham. Really

1794
01:26:56,973 --> 01:26:57,572
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

1795
01:26:58,173 --> 01:27:00,973
Speaker 3: Wow, cheers Graham. I mean, like you, I thought they

1796
01:27:01,013 --> 01:27:03,052
Speaker 3: were glass eyes. I had no idea it was plastic.

1797
01:27:03,093 --> 01:27:03,772
Speaker 3: That was interesting.

1798
01:27:06,013 --> 01:27:06,213
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1799
01:27:07,572 --> 01:27:08,972
Speaker 3: Ten eighty is theer to cool.

1800
01:27:09,333 --> 01:27:11,173
Speaker 2: The sixer says, Hey, guys, I reckon. We're all living

1801
01:27:11,173 --> 01:27:13,972
Speaker 2: too cleaner lifestyles. Our immune systems might be better off

1802
01:27:14,053 --> 01:27:17,932
Speaker 2: if we live a bit more like gramets. Other countries

1803
01:27:17,973 --> 01:27:19,933
Speaker 2: have low rates of allergies, and it is linked to

1804
01:27:19,973 --> 01:27:22,492
Speaker 2: high rates of worms and other nasties because their immune

1805
01:27:22,532 --> 01:27:25,293
Speaker 2: systems are more active dealing with them. Instead of ditching

1806
01:27:25,333 --> 01:27:27,333
Speaker 2: the grubby animals like cats and dogs, we need to

1807
01:27:27,372 --> 01:27:30,173
Speaker 2: be more grub and go bear feet to the supermarket.

1808
01:27:30,572 --> 01:27:32,812
Speaker 2: It's a good feeling can't beat it. Cheers Andrew. It

1809
01:27:32,853 --> 01:27:35,412
Speaker 2: is until you go into some aisles where it's really

1810
01:27:35,412 --> 01:27:38,213
Speaker 2: cold on your feet. Yeah, you know, the meat aisle

1811
01:27:38,293 --> 01:27:40,732
Speaker 2: is particularly bad, and beer feet. But I mean they

1812
01:27:40,732 --> 01:27:43,093
Speaker 2: have said that it's interesting because kids go around and

1813
01:27:43,093 --> 01:27:45,093
Speaker 2: put a lot of stuff in their mouth and that's

1814
01:27:45,133 --> 01:27:47,173
Speaker 2: just a natural reaction. We all thought that was really,

1815
01:27:47,213 --> 01:27:49,253
Speaker 2: really bad, but now they look into it and say

1816
01:27:49,293 --> 01:27:51,333
Speaker 2: a lot of that is trying to build up the immunities,

1817
01:27:51,372 --> 01:27:53,372
Speaker 2: and that desire to put things in their mouth is

1818
01:27:53,893 --> 01:27:55,932
Speaker 2: part of the process of getting them used to the

1819
01:27:56,013 --> 01:27:59,932
Speaker 2: just to the world. Yeah, I mean, if you're pregnant, though,

1820
01:28:00,853 --> 01:28:03,692
Speaker 2: it's probably a good idea to avoid cat leaving. Yeah,

1821
01:28:03,732 --> 01:28:06,532
Speaker 2: probably roll their dice, we're gloves when you're gardening, and

1822
01:28:07,612 --> 01:28:10,372
Speaker 2: definitely wash your and such because a lot of the

1823
01:28:10,412 --> 01:28:14,052
Speaker 2: problems with this particular parasite happened in the womb.

1824
01:28:14,173 --> 01:28:15,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good text from Andrew, But that

1825
01:28:16,173 --> 01:28:18,213
Speaker 3: just did feel like a Trojan Rod at the end

1826
01:28:18,253 --> 01:28:20,253
Speaker 3: that he just wants to go into a supermarket beer

1827
01:28:20,293 --> 01:28:22,812
Speaker 3: foot without being told off and told to put on

1828
01:28:22,853 --> 01:28:24,293
Speaker 3: some bloody shoes, and fair enough to.

1829
01:28:24,333 --> 01:28:25,973
Speaker 2: It did seem like he was running two issues with

1830
01:28:26,013 --> 01:28:26,733
Speaker 2: that text.

1831
01:28:27,412 --> 01:28:31,372
Speaker 3: Right at his sixteen past three big very shortly, it's

1832
01:28:31,452 --> 01:28:32,612
Speaker 3: nineteen past three.

1833
01:28:32,772 --> 01:28:34,173
Speaker 2: Hi, guys. We used to have a guy at our

1834
01:28:34,173 --> 01:28:36,412
Speaker 2: golf club who would drop his false eye in his

1835
01:28:36,532 --> 01:28:38,852
Speaker 2: drink like an ice cube after he'd had a few

1836
01:28:38,933 --> 01:28:40,772
Speaker 2: for a joke. Used to scare the Bejesus out of me.

1837
01:28:40,812 --> 01:28:42,692
Speaker 2: It was wrong on so many levels. Cheers, Greg. Let

1838
01:28:42,772 --> 01:28:46,172
Speaker 2: him have his joke. If he's got a plastic glass

1839
01:28:46,173 --> 01:28:48,812
Speaker 2: eye or whatever. I mean, you've got to get something

1840
01:28:48,853 --> 01:28:49,133
Speaker 2: out of it.

1841
01:28:49,133 --> 01:28:51,253
Speaker 3: That's one of the small positives of having a plastic

1842
01:28:51,253 --> 01:28:52,093
Speaker 3: guy or glass eye.

1843
01:28:52,133 --> 01:28:53,492
Speaker 2: So the joke I was talking about before was in

1844
01:28:53,532 --> 01:28:55,812
Speaker 2: the movie Hot Shots with Charlie Sheen, and he goes

1845
01:28:55,812 --> 01:28:58,452
Speaker 2: at one point when he's walking along a beach talking about,

1846
01:28:58,812 --> 01:29:00,253
Speaker 2: you know, his father, and he goes, I've even got

1847
01:29:00,293 --> 01:29:03,892
Speaker 2: my father's eyes, and then he opens that little case.

1848
01:29:04,053 --> 01:29:05,253
Speaker 2: He's got his father's eyes.

1849
01:29:05,412 --> 01:29:11,452
Speaker 3: Underrated movie that one. Yeah, Margaret, Yes you've You've had

1850
01:29:11,492 --> 01:29:14,093
Speaker 3: it for the last six months. This this parasital I

1851
01:29:14,133 --> 01:29:16,333
Speaker 3: have and I'm just the nearly ninety.

1852
01:29:16,812 --> 01:29:19,093
Speaker 20: It happened any time. I don't know where I've got

1853
01:29:19,093 --> 01:29:22,452
Speaker 20: it from a garden, normal life without gloves. I'm still

1854
01:29:22,452 --> 01:29:24,293
Speaker 20: having treatment. At the moment, I've lost a lot of

1855
01:29:24,293 --> 01:29:28,932
Speaker 20: the site. I'll tell you what's scary there.

1856
01:29:28,973 --> 01:29:31,572
Speaker 3: It is, yeah, and so what were the symptoms? Six

1857
01:29:31,612 --> 01:29:32,093
Speaker 3: months ago?

1858
01:29:32,173 --> 01:29:35,812
Speaker 20: You started terrific paint of the eye, all the vision problems.

1859
01:29:35,853 --> 01:29:39,692
Speaker 20: I had seen lines and for everything, you know, my

1860
01:29:39,772 --> 01:29:43,052
Speaker 20: vision was going. I just take the optician and within

1861
01:29:43,093 --> 01:29:45,372
Speaker 20: in the hour that had me to the Christi Iconic

1862
01:29:45,532 --> 01:29:49,253
Speaker 20: in the hospital, and for then I has been treatment

1863
01:29:49,293 --> 01:29:52,812
Speaker 20: and checking up. The first time I've had the third

1864
01:29:52,893 --> 01:29:56,333
Speaker 20: court course of cortisone and all that prins rend zone

1865
01:29:56,572 --> 01:30:00,012
Speaker 20: and things as soon as I stopped them started getting

1866
01:30:00,013 --> 01:30:02,652
Speaker 20: worse again. So on my second batch now and then

1867
01:30:02,692 --> 01:30:04,492
Speaker 20: go to the connect to myrow to keep you the checkout.

1868
01:30:04,532 --> 01:30:07,213
Speaker 20: But it has improved. But we thought I've lasted all

1869
01:30:07,253 --> 01:30:08,132
Speaker 20: at the site known.

1870
01:30:08,853 --> 01:30:11,093
Speaker 2: And so that has happened to you. You know roughly

1871
01:30:11,133 --> 01:30:15,093
Speaker 2: how many times across your life as it fled the

1872
01:30:15,213 --> 01:30:19,212
Speaker 2: very first time ever, well solay dormant for that long.

1873
01:30:20,772 --> 01:30:23,253
Speaker 20: Came on, so they could have been recently in the garden.

1874
01:30:25,093 --> 01:30:25,772
Speaker 20: They didn't know.

1875
01:30:26,053 --> 01:30:27,532
Speaker 3: Wow, how scary.

1876
01:30:27,772 --> 01:30:31,333
Speaker 2: Oh well, all the best with that, Margaret much anyway,

1877
01:30:31,732 --> 01:30:33,812
Speaker 2: I've seen us a message, and tell how you tell us,

1878
01:30:33,812 --> 01:30:35,612
Speaker 2: how you go with your appointment tomorrow?

1879
01:30:36,213 --> 01:30:38,772
Speaker 3: So ninety and she's only just got it six months ago.

1880
01:30:38,973 --> 01:30:41,532
Speaker 3: I mean, it is pretty scary parasite, this.

1881
01:30:41,492 --> 01:30:44,732
Speaker 2: One, I Matt. I had a friend who lost his

1882
01:30:44,812 --> 01:30:46,772
Speaker 2: eye thanks for slug gun. He ended up with a

1883
01:30:46,772 --> 01:30:49,293
Speaker 2: glass eye once he took it out and chucked it

1884
01:30:49,372 --> 01:30:51,732
Speaker 2: in the bottom of our pol You should have heard

1885
01:30:51,732 --> 01:30:54,013
Speaker 2: the screams you see people with a glass eye of

1886
01:30:54,452 --> 01:30:59,012
Speaker 2: the practical joke kings of our country. Yeah, they should

1887
01:30:59,053 --> 01:31:01,092
Speaker 2: be celebrated for their glass eyed gags.

1888
01:31:01,213 --> 01:31:05,293
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yep. Right, coming up very shortly, we have tracked

1889
01:31:05,293 --> 01:31:08,732
Speaker 3: down one of the authors of this particular study, doctor

1890
01:31:08,772 --> 01:31:11,652
Speaker 3: francisque march to Ribaut, So we're going to have a

1891
01:31:11,732 --> 01:31:14,532
Speaker 3: chat to him after the break. Have you got a question?

1892
01:31:14,812 --> 01:31:17,053
Speaker 2: Thank goodness, because we've been feeling around in the dark here.

1893
01:31:17,173 --> 01:31:20,293
Speaker 3: Well, he nat we'll get some answers. So we're looking

1894
01:31:20,293 --> 01:31:22,213
Speaker 3: forward to this And if you've got a question for

1895
01:31:22,372 --> 01:31:25,133
Speaker 3: doctor francisc now is your opportunity. You can text through

1896
01:31:25,173 --> 01:31:26,612
Speaker 3: nine to ninety two and we'll try to get a

1897
01:31:26,612 --> 01:31:29,412
Speaker 3: few to him. But he is coming up next. It

1898
01:31:29,532 --> 01:31:34,532
Speaker 3: is twenty two past three.

1899
01:31:35,692 --> 01:31:39,092
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred

1900
01:31:39,133 --> 01:31:41,052
Speaker 1: eighty eighty on youth Talk ZEDB.

1901
01:31:41,532 --> 01:31:44,372
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, twenty four past three. So joining us now

1902
01:31:44,452 --> 01:31:49,013
Speaker 3: is University of a Targo ophthalmologist, doctor Francisk March. He

1903
01:31:49,173 --> 01:31:51,812
Speaker 3: is one of the authors of the study and joins

1904
01:31:51,933 --> 01:31:56,013
Speaker 3: us on the line now, very good afternoon, doctor.

1905
01:31:58,612 --> 01:32:01,492
Speaker 2: Hello doctor, thank you for joining us. Sorry a little

1906
01:32:01,612 --> 01:32:04,692
Speaker 2: snaffy with the phone there. What exactly is toxoplasmosis and

1907
01:32:04,732 --> 01:32:06,613
Speaker 2: how do people typically become infected?

1908
01:32:09,013 --> 01:32:13,772
Speaker 8: It's a parasite that comes mostly from the contact with

1909
01:32:13,853 --> 01:32:18,213
Speaker 8: the cats, specifically the cats. They have it inside and

1910
01:32:18,253 --> 01:32:21,173
Speaker 8: they're spreading everywhere through their physis.

1911
01:32:21,973 --> 01:32:25,492
Speaker 2: Right, And how common is it and people aware of

1912
01:32:25,532 --> 01:32:26,253
Speaker 2: it when they have it?

1913
01:32:28,532 --> 01:32:31,772
Speaker 8: There are very good points. It's not common, and we

1914
01:32:31,853 --> 01:32:33,732
Speaker 8: know that around thirty percent of the people of New

1915
01:32:33,812 --> 01:32:38,093
Speaker 8: Zealand have been in contact with the parasite, so it's

1916
01:32:38,173 --> 01:32:41,253
Speaker 8: rather common. And we know that as well, most of

1917
01:32:41,293 --> 01:32:44,732
Speaker 8: the people are having cats in New Zeale are rather common.

1918
01:32:44,812 --> 01:32:47,132
Speaker 8: So both things will go together.

1919
01:32:49,572 --> 01:32:52,412
Speaker 2: And what symptoms should people look out for? And you

1920
01:32:52,452 --> 01:32:54,293
Speaker 2: know what that like? What are you what are you

1921
01:32:54,333 --> 01:32:55,892
Speaker 2: looking out for to see if you've got it?

1922
01:32:57,213 --> 01:32:59,333
Speaker 8: Most of the people that they get talked to persons.

1923
01:32:59,492 --> 01:33:01,293
Speaker 8: Is because we say they're rather common for a percent

1924
01:33:01,293 --> 01:33:04,372
Speaker 8: of the people, they will not realize. Sometimes they can

1925
01:33:04,412 --> 01:33:09,213
Speaker 8: have like flu similar situation but nothing to especially at work.

1926
01:33:11,612 --> 01:33:15,852
Speaker 2: And so why is just to get the bottom of

1927
01:33:15,893 --> 01:33:18,413
Speaker 2: us because a lot of people that have the symptoms

1928
01:33:18,412 --> 01:33:20,372
Speaker 2: have got it before, you know, like people talk about

1929
01:33:20,372 --> 01:33:22,772
Speaker 2: getting it being born with it. Why is toxo it's

1930
01:33:22,812 --> 01:33:25,852
Speaker 2: most as particularly dangerus during pregnancy and what procaution should

1931
01:33:25,893 --> 01:33:26,772
Speaker 2: pregnant women.

1932
01:33:26,652 --> 01:33:31,652
Speaker 8: Take perfect There are very good points, so we know

1933
01:33:31,732 --> 01:33:35,412
Speaker 8: the pregnant women can be especially susceptible in we can

1934
01:33:35,612 --> 01:33:38,092
Speaker 8: them in the same way, especially with contact with cuts.

1935
01:33:39,093 --> 01:33:44,612
Speaker 8: This is especially tricky because there they are communication between

1936
01:33:44,652 --> 01:33:48,333
Speaker 8: the placenta and this can affect the children and went

1937
01:33:48,372 --> 01:33:52,733
Speaker 8: to some plasm effects newborn. This can be very aggressive

1938
01:33:53,013 --> 01:33:54,652
Speaker 8: and they can create a lot of trouble.

1939
01:33:55,173 --> 01:33:58,612
Speaker 3: Right, So we had a few callers earlier this hour

1940
01:33:58,933 --> 01:34:02,972
Speaker 3: doctor who said that they got this parasite when they

1941
01:34:03,013 --> 01:34:06,053
Speaker 3: were still in the womb. Is that is that how

1942
01:34:06,133 --> 01:34:08,612
Speaker 3: most people get this parasite? Can you get it later

1943
01:34:08,612 --> 01:34:10,652
Speaker 3: in life? Can it develop when you get a bit

1944
01:34:10,652 --> 01:34:14,053
Speaker 3: older into adulthood, Yes.

1945
01:34:14,333 --> 01:34:17,293
Speaker 8: You can get in when your newform. So the situation

1946
01:34:17,452 --> 01:34:19,572
Speaker 8: comes from your mom, but most likely you will have

1947
01:34:19,652 --> 01:34:21,732
Speaker 8: it from the barnment that this has come from the

1948
01:34:21,772 --> 01:34:23,372
Speaker 8: content with the cats.

1949
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Speaker 2: Right right, and and the parasite is did. Is that

1950
01:34:26,893 --> 01:34:29,293
Speaker 2: what we're hearing. So when you're when you're experiencing things

1951
01:34:29,293 --> 01:34:32,452
Speaker 2: with your retener or troubles at that point, as the

1952
01:34:32,532 --> 01:34:35,652
Speaker 2: parasite long did and the body is still reacting to

1953
01:34:35,692 --> 01:34:36,812
Speaker 2: it for whatever reason.

1954
01:34:38,253 --> 01:34:41,372
Speaker 8: Not necessarily the problem is that the problem is the

1955
01:34:41,412 --> 01:34:44,173
Speaker 8: problem is as difficult to kill the co plasma, and

1956
01:34:44,213 --> 01:34:46,692
Speaker 8: that's why we have to give treatment for a long time.

1957
01:34:47,772 --> 01:34:51,053
Speaker 8: And unfortunately we don't have magic solutions. Unfortunately we have

1958
01:34:51,133 --> 01:34:53,732
Speaker 8: to give a lot of time treatment because we're trying

1959
01:34:53,812 --> 01:34:57,492
Speaker 8: to have the inflammation and the control. We know that

1960
01:34:57,532 --> 01:34:59,812
Speaker 8: we can have more than one recurrence of these episodes

1961
01:34:59,853 --> 01:35:00,972
Speaker 8: of inflammation in the eyes.

1962
01:35:02,213 --> 01:35:06,012
Speaker 2: Right And what about mental health? Because if I've got

1963
01:35:06,013 --> 01:35:10,572
Speaker 2: this right, part of the life cycle of the parasite,

1964
01:35:11,093 --> 01:35:14,812
Speaker 2: as you know, gets you know, a rodent will eat

1965
01:35:15,293 --> 01:35:18,692
Speaker 2: something that gets the parasite and then start doing crazy stuff,

1966
01:35:18,732 --> 01:35:22,293
Speaker 2: and then the cat will eat the mouse. Does that

1967
01:35:22,333 --> 01:35:26,452
Speaker 2: manifest in humans that it affects our mental health and

1968
01:35:26,492 --> 01:35:28,892
Speaker 2: makes us behave in strange fashions as it appears to

1969
01:35:28,893 --> 01:35:30,772
Speaker 2: do in mice being is.

1970
01:35:30,732 --> 01:35:34,932
Speaker 8: A very interesting research topic and we know, for example,

1971
01:35:34,933 --> 01:35:39,013
Speaker 8: people have like problems with the monocompression, you know, they

1972
01:35:39,173 --> 01:35:43,293
Speaker 8: want to depressed, they can be very aggressive. But we

1973
01:35:43,372 --> 01:35:47,133
Speaker 8: think nowadays that they could have some implications maybe with autism,

1974
01:35:48,053 --> 01:35:50,812
Speaker 8: with other mental issues that we have in the general

1975
01:35:50,853 --> 01:35:52,412
Speaker 8: community and the general community.

1976
01:35:53,492 --> 01:35:59,053
Speaker 3: So doctor, along with your colleague, Professor Bruce Russell, you

1977
01:35:59,772 --> 01:36:03,452
Speaker 3: have discovered some promising compounds that might help with new treatments.

1978
01:36:03,492 --> 01:36:03,932
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1979
01:36:04,933 --> 01:36:07,772
Speaker 8: Yes, that's all right. That's a line of research that

1980
01:36:07,812 --> 01:36:10,612
Speaker 8: we want to make roles just because it can make

1981
01:36:10,652 --> 01:36:13,333
Speaker 8: a big difference on the way we treat aqual to

1982
01:36:13,412 --> 01:36:17,933
Speaker 8: coplus mosives but in general different problems parasites.

1983
01:36:18,133 --> 01:36:22,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as it stands, clearly you've made a application

1984
01:36:22,253 --> 01:36:24,253
Speaker 3: for a research grant, but that has been turned down

1985
01:36:24,293 --> 01:36:26,612
Speaker 3: at the stage, is the right, Yes, it's all right.

1986
01:36:26,772 --> 01:36:29,932
Speaker 2: Okay, So just to finish sharp, thank you so much

1987
01:36:29,933 --> 01:36:31,492
Speaker 2: for talking us today. Well, what are the best ways

1988
01:36:31,492 --> 01:36:34,972
Speaker 2: for people to protect themselves from and fiction, especially cat owners?

1989
01:36:35,293 --> 01:36:38,613
Speaker 2: And if someone is worried that they may have been infected,

1990
01:36:38,692 --> 01:36:39,772
Speaker 2: what would you suggest they do?

1991
01:36:42,053 --> 01:36:45,372
Speaker 8: These are very interesting consideration. So the most important is

1992
01:36:45,372 --> 01:36:48,452
Speaker 8: to be careful with content with the cats agen as

1993
01:36:48,492 --> 01:36:52,053
Speaker 8: well when the way we cook, be careful with that.

1994
01:36:52,372 --> 01:36:56,333
Speaker 8: And we are concerned about the situation acutely, just go

1995
01:36:56,412 --> 01:36:58,973
Speaker 8: to a doctor we know as well. We can have

1996
01:36:59,013 --> 01:37:01,293
Speaker 8: acual to plus mosives on this cases. Go to a

1997
01:37:01,372 --> 01:37:06,013
Speaker 8: homologies and see what we have to do. Sometimes we

1998
01:37:06,133 --> 01:37:09,532
Speaker 8: have to give to give treatment tibe. Your picting centers

1999
01:37:09,532 --> 01:37:12,893
Speaker 8: can be for a few weeks or even months.

2000
01:37:13,133 --> 01:37:15,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting. There's just a question that comes through

2001
01:37:16,053 --> 01:37:18,652
Speaker 3: via a text machine. Doctor. See can you please ask

2002
01:37:18,893 --> 01:37:21,412
Speaker 3: if a cat defecates in your vigi garden, should you

2003
01:37:21,492 --> 01:37:25,412
Speaker 3: eat those vegetables? Are they easy to wash or do

2004
01:37:25,452 --> 01:37:28,013
Speaker 3: you need to throw them away?

2005
01:37:29,532 --> 01:37:32,253
Speaker 8: It's a little bit difficult to know about the solutions particularly.

2006
01:37:32,452 --> 01:37:34,452
Speaker 8: I think that I would just try to be as

2007
01:37:34,572 --> 01:37:38,452
Speaker 8: careful just clining every problem we're in contact, because we

2008
01:37:38,572 --> 01:37:41,093
Speaker 8: know that the feces of the cats are going to

2009
01:37:41,133 --> 01:37:44,492
Speaker 8: be everywhere, especially going to be the soil, and if

2010
01:37:44,492 --> 01:37:47,173
Speaker 8: we have to eat something, just be very careful. Just

2011
01:37:47,173 --> 01:37:49,173
Speaker 8: just clinic as much as possible to try to point

2012
01:37:49,213 --> 01:37:49,652
Speaker 8: any risk.

2013
01:37:50,372 --> 01:37:53,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, thank you so much for your time. YEP.

2014
01:37:53,372 --> 01:37:56,172
Speaker 3: All the best with your grant going forward. It sounds

2015
01:37:56,213 --> 01:37:58,932
Speaker 3: like an important research doctor, so all the best and

2016
01:37:58,933 --> 01:38:01,892
Speaker 3: hopefully you get the money you need to research those

2017
01:38:01,893 --> 01:38:07,293
Speaker 3: new compounds. That is doctor Francisca March. He is an

2018
01:38:07,333 --> 01:38:11,412
Speaker 3: ophthalmology can Sultan at Otago University. Very interesting. I mean

2019
01:38:11,452 --> 01:38:17,093
Speaker 3: it is slightly scary. Yeah, can happen anytime. Just be

2020
01:38:17,213 --> 01:38:20,452
Speaker 3: very careful if you're a cat lover owner or you're

2021
01:38:20,492 --> 01:38:22,213
Speaker 3: around the feces a bit much.

2022
01:38:22,293 --> 01:38:23,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as I say, if my dog is listening

2023
01:38:23,893 --> 01:38:26,253
Speaker 2: at home, Colin oft and let's leave the radio on.

2024
01:38:26,652 --> 01:38:28,812
Speaker 2: Make sure no cat's get into the house. Colin, all right,

2025
01:38:29,013 --> 01:38:30,293
Speaker 2: get the cat's gone? Where the cats?

2026
01:38:30,333 --> 01:38:30,892
Speaker 3: Where are the cats?

2027
01:38:31,173 --> 01:38:33,532
Speaker 2: Where the cat's got the cat? He will be if

2028
01:38:33,532 --> 01:38:35,133
Speaker 2: he heard that, he'll be running down to his dog

2029
01:38:35,173 --> 01:38:36,372
Speaker 2: door and running out looking for cat.

2030
01:38:36,412 --> 01:38:39,692
Speaker 3: He's a good boy. Is twenty nine to four you

2031
01:38:39,772 --> 01:38:41,933
Speaker 3: listen to Matt and Tyler back very surely.

2032
01:38:44,492 --> 01:38:48,253
Speaker 5: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

2033
01:38:48,333 --> 01:38:52,532
Speaker 5: no trouble with a blue bubble business is using natural gas,

2034
01:38:52,572 --> 01:38:56,452
Speaker 5: say they worry. Major price hikes are ahead, with production

2035
01:38:56,572 --> 01:39:00,732
Speaker 5: from the diminishing supply falling twenty percent annually in this

2036
01:39:00,812 --> 01:39:05,492
Speaker 5: year's first quarter. A thirty five year old arsonist Corina

2037
01:39:05,612 --> 01:39:08,012
Speaker 5: Tangi Flavel has been sentenced to two and a half

2038
01:39:08,133 --> 01:39:11,293
Speaker 5: year in prison for sending an Auckland backpackers up in

2039
01:39:11,372 --> 01:39:16,173
Speaker 5: flames last year. In Parnell, todong A, residents are criticizing

2040
01:39:16,213 --> 01:39:19,812
Speaker 5: a council competition for a car park mural which will

2041
01:39:19,812 --> 01:39:23,052
Speaker 5: cost ten thousand dollars. They say they want a zero

2042
01:39:23,173 --> 01:39:27,492
Speaker 5: percent rise, not the proposed twelve percent. Consumer and Z

2043
01:39:27,692 --> 01:39:31,533
Speaker 5: says it worries data is being cherry picked after Foodstuff's

2044
01:39:31,612 --> 01:39:34,372
Speaker 5: North Islands claim pack and saf came out best on

2045
01:39:34,492 --> 01:39:37,892
Speaker 5: price in a matched basketful of shopping from Kiwi and

2046
01:39:37,973 --> 01:39:42,533
Speaker 5: overseas supermarkets. Consumer says counterparts in the UK and Australia

2047
01:39:42,893 --> 01:39:48,573
Speaker 5: say ald is actually much cheaper than Foodstaff's claims. Australian's

2048
01:39:48,612 --> 01:39:52,093
Speaker 5: Prime Minister has made an antipody and fashion statement at

2049
01:39:52,213 --> 01:39:56,653
Speaker 5: Pope Leo the fourteen's inauguration mass at the Vatican, sporting

2050
01:39:56,732 --> 01:40:00,293
Speaker 5: in a cubra and sunnies taking them off to chat

2051
01:40:00,333 --> 01:40:05,212
Speaker 5: to the new Pope. Fiscal restraint and growth focus define

2052
01:40:05,293 --> 01:40:08,213
Speaker 5: the upcoming budget. See the full column at ENZ here

2053
01:40:08,333 --> 01:40:11,132
Speaker 5: well premium back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2054
01:40:11,213 --> 01:40:13,253
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So let's have a

2055
01:40:13,333 --> 01:40:17,012
Speaker 3: chat about doggie bags. From cats to doggie bags. These

2056
01:40:17,093 --> 01:40:19,333
Speaker 3: are of course, when you go to a restaurant and

2057
01:40:19,333 --> 01:40:22,092
Speaker 3: you've got a bit of food left over to ask

2058
01:40:22,173 --> 01:40:25,333
Speaker 3: the waiter or waitress to please doggy bag the rest

2059
01:40:25,452 --> 01:40:28,293
Speaker 3: of my food up. It is increasing, one business owner.

2060
01:40:28,372 --> 01:40:31,612
Speaker 3: Restaurant owner believes it's gone from ten to fifteen percent

2061
01:40:31,652 --> 01:40:34,133
Speaker 3: asking for a doggy bag to almost a third of

2062
01:40:34,173 --> 01:40:34,892
Speaker 3: customers thirty.

2063
01:40:35,412 --> 01:40:37,932
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's related to how expensive meals are.

2064
01:40:38,772 --> 01:40:40,772
Speaker 2: I mean, I would have had a heart attack if

2065
01:40:40,812 --> 01:40:43,133
Speaker 2: I saw how much I pay, like ten years ago,

2066
01:40:43,173 --> 01:40:45,612
Speaker 2: how much I pay for steak stay would be forty

2067
01:40:45,612 --> 01:40:48,133
Speaker 2: eight bucks, fifty bucks. And you're like, oh yeah, and

2068
01:40:48,253 --> 01:40:50,213
Speaker 2: so if you don't eat all of your meal, maybe

2069
01:40:50,213 --> 01:40:54,812
Speaker 2: it's more of a financial burden. But I'm like, it's

2070
01:40:54,853 --> 01:40:56,933
Speaker 2: weak to not eat everything. If you've ordered it, you

2071
01:40:56,933 --> 01:41:00,133
Speaker 2: eat it. If you have been if your eyes have

2072
01:41:00,173 --> 01:41:02,532
Speaker 2: been big enough to order it, then your stomach should

2073
01:41:02,572 --> 01:41:06,133
Speaker 2: take It's that's always my belief. I've always pushed back

2074
01:41:06,133 --> 01:41:08,293
Speaker 2: on my kids trying to doggy bag things. My friend,

2075
01:41:08,612 --> 01:41:13,493
Speaker 2: my significant others. I just find the whole process humiliating.

2076
01:41:13,492 --> 01:41:15,133
Speaker 2: You're sort of sitting at the table, you've gone out

2077
01:41:15,173 --> 01:41:17,133
Speaker 2: to a restaurant, and then it ends and you're like,

2078
01:41:17,692 --> 01:41:19,572
Speaker 2: can you have this in a bag for me? It's

2079
01:41:19,612 --> 01:41:22,253
Speaker 2: just there's something about it that just seems weak.

2080
01:41:22,532 --> 01:41:25,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, whereas I love it, I absolutely love it, and

2081
01:41:25,213 --> 01:41:27,892
Speaker 3: I'll go even as far as if we are dining

2082
01:41:27,893 --> 01:41:29,732
Speaker 3: with other people and they haven't finished all of their meal,

2083
01:41:30,013 --> 01:41:31,492
Speaker 3: I'll ask them, I say, hey, do you mind if

2084
01:41:31,532 --> 01:41:33,213
Speaker 3: I just get that doggy bagged up as well?

2085
01:41:33,253 --> 01:41:35,053
Speaker 2: What do you go round to other tables with your

2086
01:41:35,133 --> 01:41:36,812
Speaker 2: knife and fork and sit down? If you see someone

2087
01:41:36,933 --> 01:41:38,612
Speaker 2: leave early and there's someone on the plate, do you

2088
01:41:38,612 --> 01:41:39,452
Speaker 2: go and eat that as well?

2089
01:41:39,692 --> 01:41:39,932
Speaker 13: Oh?

2090
01:41:39,973 --> 01:41:43,372
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. If there's enough letters a scam

2091
01:41:43,532 --> 01:41:46,772
Speaker 2: you're a scam? No, But I don't know. I've got

2092
01:41:46,772 --> 01:41:49,732
Speaker 2: a visceral negative reaction to it. It just doesn't seem

2093
01:41:50,053 --> 01:41:51,772
Speaker 2: right to me. It seems like you've got the order

2094
01:41:51,812 --> 01:41:54,892
Speaker 2: wrong or I don't know. And some people go feel

2095
01:41:54,893 --> 01:41:57,212
Speaker 2: like now, I might have it later, But my friends

2096
01:41:57,532 --> 01:42:00,093
Speaker 2: and loved ones know that I feel like this, and

2097
01:42:00,133 --> 01:42:03,772
Speaker 2: I get trolled. I get trolled, and that people sending

2098
01:42:03,772 --> 01:42:05,452
Speaker 2: me pictures of the meeting out of their doggie bag

2099
01:42:05,492 --> 01:42:09,213
Speaker 2: the next day after the restaurant or or And I've

2100
01:42:09,253 --> 01:42:14,732
Speaker 2: got this particular friend, Liz, who will she will doggy

2101
01:42:14,732 --> 01:42:19,253
Speaker 2: bag anything. I've seen her doggy bags seven seven chips.

2102
01:42:19,333 --> 01:42:21,852
Speaker 3: I like her style. Liz sounds like a good woman.

2103
01:42:21,893 --> 01:42:23,612
Speaker 2: And then fried them the next day and bubble and

2104
01:42:23,652 --> 01:42:24,532
Speaker 2: squeak for breakfast.

2105
01:42:24,893 --> 01:42:28,452
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred ten asy doggie bags? Are you someone

2106
01:42:28,492 --> 01:42:30,293
Speaker 3: there loves to get a doggy bag? If you've been

2107
01:42:30,333 --> 01:42:32,053
Speaker 3: out to a knife restaurant, see the thing that I

2108
01:42:32,053 --> 01:42:34,612
Speaker 3: love about it? And you mentioned that beautiful restaurant the

2109
01:42:34,692 --> 01:42:38,173
Speaker 3: name escapes me. Beautiful restaurant in Auckland and the best

2110
01:42:38,213 --> 01:42:39,732
Speaker 3: steak that you ever had in your life?

2111
01:42:39,933 --> 01:42:41,212
Speaker 2: Oh yep, and.

2112
01:42:41,213 --> 01:42:44,333
Speaker 3: Phenomenal place, phenomenal steak. But just picture this mat that

2113
01:42:44,372 --> 01:42:46,372
Speaker 3: you didn't quite finish at all, But that was one

2114
01:42:46,372 --> 01:42:48,213
Speaker 3: of the most beautiful meals that you've ever had in

2115
01:42:48,293 --> 01:42:50,133
Speaker 3: your life. There's a little bit left over, So then

2116
01:42:50,173 --> 01:42:52,452
Speaker 3: you turn to the waiter and said, excuse me, can

2117
01:42:52,492 --> 01:42:54,293
Speaker 3: I just get a doggy bag for that last little

2118
01:42:54,293 --> 01:42:57,093
Speaker 3: bit of steak? Then you take it home and the

2119
01:42:57,133 --> 01:42:58,732
Speaker 3: next day it's still in your fridge and you pull

2120
01:42:58,732 --> 01:43:00,452
Speaker 3: it back out and you hope back into it, and

2121
01:43:00,492 --> 01:43:03,492
Speaker 3: you get that memory all over again of this most

2122
01:43:03,572 --> 01:43:05,933
Speaker 3: beautiful steak you've ever had in your life, just to

2123
01:43:06,093 --> 01:43:08,613
Speaker 3: refresh what was a wonderful memory.

2124
01:43:08,333 --> 01:43:08,892
Speaker 2: You're talking about?

2125
01:43:08,893 --> 01:43:10,213
Speaker 3: Badoozy, Yeah, badoozy.

2126
01:43:10,412 --> 01:43:10,572
Speaker 13: No.

2127
01:43:10,692 --> 01:43:13,293
Speaker 2: I eat the entire steak and the meshed potato under

2128
01:43:13,333 --> 01:43:17,612
Speaker 2: it and whatever past is on the table, because I'm like,

2129
01:43:18,572 --> 01:43:20,093
Speaker 2: why can't you just eat it until you're done? You've

2130
01:43:20,173 --> 01:43:21,732
Speaker 2: ordered it, just to eat it. What does it matter

2131
01:43:21,772 --> 01:43:22,812
Speaker 2: if you eat it now or later?

2132
01:43:22,933 --> 01:43:24,812
Speaker 3: But don't you want to relive that memory the next day?

2133
01:43:24,933 --> 01:43:25,133
Speaker 7: No?

2134
01:43:26,133 --> 01:43:30,533
Speaker 2: I absolutely do not. There's something so desperate and squirrely

2135
01:43:31,372 --> 01:43:34,492
Speaker 2: and tight about it, and it's just makes the end

2136
01:43:34,532 --> 01:43:37,333
Speaker 2: of the meal just so awkward. It's like, hey, thank you,

2137
01:43:37,372 --> 01:43:41,173
Speaker 2: that meal was great, But can you just have it

2138
01:43:41,173 --> 01:43:42,652
Speaker 2: in a bag so I can take it home. There's

2139
01:43:42,692 --> 01:43:45,253
Speaker 2: just something about it that I just don't like. I

2140
01:43:45,293 --> 01:43:46,972
Speaker 2: don't like it all. I don't like it at all.

2141
01:43:47,293 --> 01:43:49,932
Speaker 2: But I'll go the full hog and I will eat

2142
01:43:49,933 --> 01:43:52,892
Speaker 2: everything even if I don't like it, so the shift

2143
01:43:52,893 --> 01:43:55,372
Speaker 2: doesn't feel bad. So if something comes out and I

2144
01:43:55,372 --> 01:43:58,492
Speaker 2: don't think it's that tasty, I'll either moop, spread it

2145
01:43:58,492 --> 01:44:00,652
Speaker 2: around my plate or put bits on other people's plates

2146
01:44:00,652 --> 01:44:02,293
Speaker 2: so no one finds out that I didn't really like it.

2147
01:44:02,293 --> 01:44:03,652
Speaker 3: Well, that is a fair point. If I'm going to

2148
01:44:03,652 --> 01:44:05,692
Speaker 3: doggy bag, You're quite right that I've got to get

2149
01:44:05,732 --> 01:44:08,572
Speaker 3: through at least two thirds, if not more, of the

2150
01:44:08,612 --> 01:44:10,692
Speaker 3: meal to make sure that the chief doesn't feel bad

2151
01:44:10,692 --> 01:44:11,652
Speaker 3: about what they've created.

2152
01:44:11,973 --> 01:44:15,412
Speaker 2: There's a lot of weak people texting in Meals don't

2153
01:44:15,412 --> 01:44:17,732
Speaker 2: always come in size you think, and they are bigger

2154
01:44:17,772 --> 01:44:20,093
Speaker 2: than you think. So yes, take it home. You've paid

2155
01:44:20,093 --> 01:44:21,692
Speaker 2: for it, scabby.

2156
01:44:21,933 --> 01:44:23,612
Speaker 3: See, I think I'm taking one for the team that

2157
01:44:23,652 --> 01:44:25,772
Speaker 3: if I clear up everybody's plates and just take home

2158
01:44:25,772 --> 01:44:26,652
Speaker 3: a little doggie bag.

2159
01:44:27,973 --> 01:44:29,932
Speaker 2: I agree with this. Sounds like Tyler should be ordering

2160
01:44:29,973 --> 01:44:32,652
Speaker 2: from the kids menu if he can't handle a full

2161
01:44:32,692 --> 01:44:36,293
Speaker 2: adults plate. Yeah, but that's true. Actually, but we've all

2162
01:44:36,293 --> 01:44:38,612
Speaker 2: seen in that movie After Life, you can't order from

2163
01:44:38,612 --> 01:44:39,293
Speaker 2: the kids.

2164
01:44:40,893 --> 01:44:44,772
Speaker 3: So, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty doggie bag?

2165
01:44:45,013 --> 01:44:47,813
Speaker 3: Is it rude? Disrespectful? Is it just a little bit uncouth?

2166
01:44:48,213 --> 01:44:50,173
Speaker 3: Or are you all about it? You've paid for the

2167
01:44:50,173 --> 01:44:52,492
Speaker 3: meal and it's just a nice way to relive the

2168
01:44:52,572 --> 01:44:55,053
Speaker 3: memory of going out and eating that beautiful food, and

2169
01:44:55,093 --> 01:44:57,092
Speaker 3: you're actually doing the chef a favor.

2170
01:44:57,532 --> 01:44:59,812
Speaker 2: If you want to relive the memory burp in the

2171
01:45:00,093 --> 01:45:03,932
Speaker 2: uber on the way home. Hey, I agree with Matt.

2172
01:45:03,933 --> 01:45:06,253
Speaker 2: Don't be a wounded just eat it. Yeah, I agree.

2173
01:45:06,372 --> 01:45:08,972
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what chef's listening out there at the moment.

2174
01:45:09,053 --> 01:45:10,972
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you, I waite hundred eighty ten eighty.

2175
01:45:10,973 --> 01:45:12,412
Speaker 3: How do you feel about it? Do you think it's

2176
01:45:12,452 --> 01:45:14,772
Speaker 3: a slap in the face if a customer hasn't eaten

2177
01:45:14,772 --> 01:45:16,133
Speaker 3: all their meal when they want to take a little

2178
01:45:16,133 --> 01:45:20,372
Speaker 3: bit out and wait staff as well? Do you tune

2179
01:45:20,372 --> 01:45:22,372
Speaker 3: your nose up or look down upon people that ask

2180
01:45:22,412 --> 01:45:24,253
Speaker 3: for a doggie bag? Love to hear from you? I wait,

2181
01:45:24,333 --> 01:45:26,492
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? It

2182
01:45:26,572 --> 01:45:27,852
Speaker 3: is nineteen to four.

2183
01:45:28,093 --> 01:45:31,732
Speaker 1: Beg very surely have a chat with the lads on

2184
01:45:32,053 --> 01:45:35,733
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons

2185
01:45:35,933 --> 01:45:37,133
Speaker 1: news talk, sai'd.

2186
01:45:36,853 --> 01:45:39,812
Speaker 3: Be afternoon doggie bags at a restaurant? Yes?

2187
01:45:39,973 --> 01:45:40,253
Speaker 10: Or no?

2188
01:45:40,572 --> 01:45:42,892
Speaker 3: Is it rude or is it fear play? Love to

2189
01:45:42,933 --> 01:45:43,333
Speaker 3: hear from you?

2190
01:45:43,732 --> 01:45:45,452
Speaker 2: The stick says, well, Matt, not everyone has a big

2191
01:45:45,492 --> 01:45:47,852
Speaker 2: slob like you. Some people have class. It's actually manners

2192
01:45:47,893 --> 01:45:49,932
Speaker 2: in some cultures not to eat all our food. Well,

2193
01:45:49,933 --> 01:45:52,772
Speaker 2: you can come up with the culture. Will they do anything? Yeah,

2194
01:45:53,412 --> 01:45:56,372
Speaker 2: some people and some cultures not to eat all of

2195
01:45:56,572 --> 01:46:00,253
Speaker 2: earlier food. Well, okay, big deal. Not in mine and mine.

2196
01:46:01,053 --> 01:46:03,572
Speaker 2: Leave a clean plate. That's how you show respect for

2197
01:46:03,612 --> 01:46:06,173
Speaker 2: the meal, right and shoving it in a bag so

2198
01:46:06,253 --> 01:46:08,093
Speaker 2: you can put it to leave it in the back

2199
01:46:08,133 --> 01:46:10,133
Speaker 2: of the Fords to rot for six months. I'm not

2200
01:46:10,173 --> 01:46:10,572
Speaker 2: into it.

2201
01:46:10,812 --> 01:46:14,213
Speaker 3: Far enough to And a lot of people agree with you, Jesse,

2202
01:46:14,532 --> 01:46:16,412
Speaker 3: how are you good?

2203
01:46:16,412 --> 01:46:16,772
Speaker 5: Thank you?

2204
01:46:16,853 --> 01:46:19,173
Speaker 3: How are you good? And doggie bags? Are you with

2205
01:46:19,293 --> 01:46:21,612
Speaker 3: me here? Is it just rude? Is it weak? Or

2206
01:46:21,732 --> 01:46:22,972
Speaker 3: are you all about the doggy bag?

2207
01:46:24,213 --> 01:46:24,293
Speaker 7: No?

2208
01:46:24,812 --> 01:46:27,253
Speaker 21: I fully encourage people to take one. Actually, I think

2209
01:46:27,253 --> 01:46:30,732
Speaker 21: it's a great idea because not you know, everyone can

2210
01:46:30,772 --> 01:46:34,093
Speaker 21: finish a meal, and I just like foe costs so

2211
01:46:34,293 --> 01:46:38,333
Speaker 21: much money. Now, I think if you want to take

2212
01:46:38,333 --> 01:46:40,013
Speaker 21: it home, I think it's a great idea.

2213
01:46:40,093 --> 01:46:41,652
Speaker 2: What what do you draw the line out? Would you

2214
01:46:41,692 --> 01:46:44,093
Speaker 2: take soup? Would you allow soup to be ladled into

2215
01:46:44,253 --> 01:46:46,133
Speaker 2: a bag to take home?

2216
01:46:47,532 --> 01:46:50,252
Speaker 21: Definitely draw the lineup soup, I would.

2217
01:46:50,013 --> 01:46:52,532
Speaker 3: Doggy bag soup Jesse. I'd take the soup homes off.

2218
01:46:55,772 --> 01:46:59,253
Speaker 21: Oh no, yeah, no, take it home. I think it's great.

2219
01:46:59,253 --> 01:47:01,612
Speaker 21: We actually went it with a lot of people better

2220
01:47:01,692 --> 01:47:04,412
Speaker 21: in the older demographic and the cafe that I met,

2221
01:47:04,612 --> 01:47:07,372
Speaker 21: and we see it a lot. People just can't finish

2222
01:47:07,412 --> 01:47:10,053
Speaker 21: their meals, but I don't want to waste it, so

2223
01:47:10,093 --> 01:47:11,012
Speaker 21: they just take it home.

2224
01:47:12,013 --> 01:47:13,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I'm going I'm not gonna knickle and dime

2225
01:47:13,692 --> 01:47:15,492
Speaker 2: someone for slipping a little bit of their steak into

2226
01:47:15,532 --> 01:47:17,053
Speaker 2: their pocket to take it home for their dog.

2227
01:47:21,612 --> 01:47:23,772
Speaker 3: I wonder whether is that where the word doggy doggy

2228
01:47:23,812 --> 01:47:26,612
Speaker 3: bag came from leftovers.

2229
01:47:26,213 --> 01:47:30,372
Speaker 2: For the pet? If you I mean, that's interesting when

2230
01:47:30,412 --> 01:47:33,293
Speaker 2: you take like high level food home. Like sometimes I

2231
01:47:33,333 --> 01:47:36,013
Speaker 2: get a little bit annoyed when there's a really expensive

2232
01:47:36,053 --> 01:47:38,213
Speaker 2: cut of meat we've bought and everyone's focused on giving

2233
01:47:38,253 --> 01:47:40,293
Speaker 2: it to the dog, like that dog does not care.

2234
01:47:40,612 --> 01:47:41,532
Speaker 2: Our dog does not care.

2235
01:47:42,293 --> 01:47:45,372
Speaker 3: But I would draw the line. I'm being a little

2236
01:47:45,372 --> 01:47:46,972
Speaker 3: bit tongue in cheeky. I do love a doggy bag,

2237
01:47:46,973 --> 01:47:48,652
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, but I would draw the line

2238
01:47:48,692 --> 01:47:51,572
Speaker 3: at say, say there is a handful of fries left,

2239
01:47:52,612 --> 01:47:54,772
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't doggy bag. That would you see people

2240
01:47:54,812 --> 01:47:56,572
Speaker 3: doggy bagging just a handful of fries.

2241
01:47:57,692 --> 01:48:01,652
Speaker 21: No, no, no, don't say that. But certainly, like you know,

2242
01:48:01,772 --> 01:48:04,812
Speaker 21: half a sand wad or sweets, especially, like people are

2243
01:48:04,812 --> 01:48:07,053
Speaker 21: aller sweets and they can't eat eat all of that,

2244
01:48:07,213 --> 01:48:10,852
Speaker 21: so they'll take that. Yeah, but if you had half

2245
01:48:10,853 --> 01:48:12,333
Speaker 21: a thing, you definitely take that.

2246
01:48:12,692 --> 01:48:15,253
Speaker 2: I think I don't actually have a problem with pizza.

2247
01:48:15,732 --> 01:48:18,253
Speaker 2: I think slices of pizza take that home, because it

2248
01:48:18,253 --> 01:48:21,132
Speaker 2: seems like a delivery food anyway.

2249
01:48:22,213 --> 01:48:25,133
Speaker 14: Pizza is just yeah, yeah, and that's true.

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01:48:25,133 --> 01:48:28,052
Speaker 2: Actually cold pizza is great, beautiful. But also I don't

2251
01:48:28,053 --> 01:48:30,213
Speaker 2: necessarily have a problem with someone taking a little bit

2252
01:48:30,213 --> 01:48:33,333
Speaker 2: of cake home with them either. Yeah, but just slapping

2253
01:48:33,372 --> 01:48:36,372
Speaker 2: a I know, I fit a cheening into your into

2254
01:48:36,372 --> 01:48:37,933
Speaker 2: a bag and taking it home to sitt in the

2255
01:48:37,973 --> 01:48:40,492
Speaker 2: fridge and rot. I don't know. Hey, thank you so

2256
01:48:40,572 --> 01:48:42,013
Speaker 2: much for you called Jesse. Appreciate it.

2257
01:48:42,772 --> 01:48:45,173
Speaker 3: Plenty of texts coming through. I think at this stage

2258
01:48:45,173 --> 01:48:48,133
Speaker 3: it's probably eighty percent in your favor mat against the

2259
01:48:48,173 --> 01:48:49,932
Speaker 3: doggie back. A lot of people just saying it's straight

2260
01:48:50,013 --> 01:48:51,932
Speaker 3: up rude, Sharon, what do you reckon?

2261
01:48:53,173 --> 01:48:56,692
Speaker 18: Good afternoon. Can I have a word with Matt please, I'll.

2262
01:49:02,053 --> 01:49:03,572
Speaker 14: Good afternoon, Matt, my dear.

2263
01:49:04,093 --> 01:49:06,812
Speaker 18: When you get to be an older person, you will

2264
01:49:06,853 --> 01:49:09,732
Speaker 18: realize you can't eat the quantity that they put it

2265
01:49:09,812 --> 01:49:13,572
Speaker 18: out in the restaurant on the debit pairty much for

2266
01:49:13,732 --> 01:49:17,773
Speaker 18: us some of us older people now we very discreetly

2267
01:49:17,812 --> 01:49:18,612
Speaker 18: go and ask for.

2268
01:49:18,612 --> 01:49:21,452
Speaker 22: A container which would pay for because that's fine, put

2269
01:49:21,492 --> 01:49:23,732
Speaker 22: it into the container and take it home. Therefore it's

2270
01:49:23,732 --> 01:49:26,372
Speaker 22: our lunch or whatever the next day. The economics as

2271
01:49:26,412 --> 01:49:29,572
Speaker 22: well as anything else, and not being wasteful under so

2272
01:49:29,853 --> 01:49:32,613
Speaker 22: you know, I mean sound like your mother, don't I.

2273
01:49:32,293 --> 01:49:33,412
Speaker 2: But it's.

2274
01:49:36,572 --> 01:49:39,772
Speaker 18: You just can't do it, and I just cannot leave

2275
01:49:39,812 --> 01:49:41,372
Speaker 18: it on the plate and let it get thrown out.

2276
01:49:41,372 --> 01:49:43,452
Speaker 18: I think it's wrong, and I have paid for.

2277
01:49:43,492 --> 01:49:44,052
Speaker 13: It as well.

2278
01:49:44,253 --> 01:49:47,893
Speaker 2: Now, Sharon, love you and thank you for thank you

2279
01:49:47,933 --> 01:49:50,612
Speaker 2: for your call. But you can just order off the

2280
01:49:50,732 --> 01:49:52,732
Speaker 2: entree men, You couldn't you just just you know the

2281
01:49:52,772 --> 01:49:55,092
Speaker 2: size of tom.

2282
01:49:54,893 --> 01:49:57,013
Speaker 18: Yeah, well true, my husband and I have actually had

2283
01:49:57,013 --> 01:49:59,612
Speaker 18: a main meal between the two of us and we

2284
01:49:59,732 --> 01:50:00,372
Speaker 18: have done.

2285
01:50:00,213 --> 01:50:00,852
Speaker 8: The entree thing.

2286
01:50:01,013 --> 01:50:02,492
Speaker 14: I agree with you, you could, but.

2287
01:50:02,532 --> 01:50:06,293
Speaker 18: Sometimes you might fancy of the main one that's said,

2288
01:50:06,333 --> 01:50:08,932
Speaker 18: it might not be an entrein meal, so you still

2289
01:50:08,973 --> 01:50:11,452
Speaker 18: can't you know, and my husband might want something different

2290
01:50:11,572 --> 01:50:11,732
Speaker 18: to me.

2291
01:50:12,412 --> 01:50:17,452
Speaker 2: So you know, that's an interesting thing, Sharon, because I'm

2292
01:50:17,452 --> 01:50:20,013
Speaker 2: a disgusting peg and I will eat every piece of

2293
01:50:20,053 --> 01:50:22,293
Speaker 2: food that comes near me, and anyone else that even

2294
01:50:22,612 --> 01:50:24,972
Speaker 2: even puts their knife and fork down for a second,

2295
01:50:25,013 --> 01:50:29,293
Speaker 2: I'm reaching over to try and eat this stuff. But

2296
01:50:29,333 --> 01:50:32,772
Speaker 2: what is the etiquette on next? So can you ask

2297
01:50:32,853 --> 01:50:35,173
Speaker 2: for get a mane and say because people do that,

2298
01:50:35,692 --> 01:50:37,093
Speaker 2: they get a man and you say, can have two

2299
01:50:37,133 --> 01:50:39,213
Speaker 2: plates with that? Is that how you do it?

2300
01:50:39,372 --> 01:50:39,572
Speaker 16: Yeah?

2301
01:50:40,173 --> 01:50:42,492
Speaker 18: Yeah, well they don't usually worry about it. I mean

2302
01:50:42,492 --> 01:50:45,932
Speaker 18: they understand perhaps when we were not the gats and

2303
01:50:46,853 --> 01:50:48,492
Speaker 18: we'd like to be able to enjoy the whole of

2304
01:50:48,532 --> 01:50:50,452
Speaker 18: it and just can't eat one house else.

2305
01:50:50,612 --> 01:50:52,972
Speaker 2: It's pretty cute. It's pretty cute if you and your husband, though,

2306
01:50:53,732 --> 01:50:56,532
Speaker 2: push the chairs together and eat off the same plate though.

2307
01:50:56,692 --> 01:50:57,372
Speaker 3: That is nice.

2308
01:50:57,492 --> 01:51:00,213
Speaker 18: Hey, Matt, Matt, we've been married for forty five years.

2309
01:51:00,293 --> 01:51:01,532
Speaker 8: It is very romantic.

2310
01:51:03,492 --> 01:51:04,852
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Sharon.

2311
01:51:05,372 --> 01:51:07,812
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

2312
01:51:07,933 --> 01:51:12,892
Speaker 3: Doggie Baggs yay or nay? Some great ticks coming through, Matt.

2313
01:51:13,213 --> 01:51:16,452
Speaker 2: Your typical New Zealand Western culture based man, I understand

2314
01:51:16,452 --> 01:51:18,892
Speaker 2: your hesitation about doggy bags, but in Chinese culture it's

2315
01:51:18,933 --> 01:51:21,213
Speaker 2: actually a sign of respect to ensure there's plenty of food.

2316
01:51:21,492 --> 01:51:24,173
Speaker 2: Ordering multiple dishes as part of the experience and taking

2317
01:51:24,213 --> 01:51:27,532
Speaker 2: leftovers home is perfectly acceptable. It's a way to honor

2318
01:51:27,572 --> 01:51:30,372
Speaker 2: the chef's effort and continue enjoying the meal later. That's interesting.

2319
01:51:30,452 --> 01:51:33,293
Speaker 2: So while it might not be your personal preference, it's

2320
01:51:33,372 --> 01:51:35,652
Speaker 2: deeply grained and the etiquette of Chinese culture is that

2321
01:51:35,692 --> 01:51:40,732
Speaker 2: why when I was in a Chinese restaurant recently, I ordered,

2322
01:51:40,772 --> 01:51:42,812
Speaker 2: I was by myself, and the amount of food that

2323
01:51:42,853 --> 01:51:46,212
Speaker 2: came out for me was could have fed twenty five people. Yeah,

2324
01:51:46,253 --> 01:51:47,652
Speaker 2: and I was like, did you guys not notice it

2325
01:51:47,732 --> 01:51:49,452
Speaker 2: was only one of me? When you just keep and

2326
01:51:49,532 --> 01:51:51,293
Speaker 2: it gets embarrassing, more and more stuff coming around. Am

2327
01:51:51,293 --> 01:51:52,772
Speaker 2: I supposed to shove them in my pockets and take

2328
01:51:52,772 --> 01:51:53,093
Speaker 2: it home?

2329
01:51:53,173 --> 01:51:54,972
Speaker 3: They were waiting in the wings with the doggy bags

2330
01:51:54,973 --> 01:51:58,412
Speaker 3: ready to go. Yeah, but that is exactly my point,

2331
01:51:58,452 --> 01:52:00,253
Speaker 3: well pretty close to my point anyway.

2332
01:52:00,333 --> 01:52:02,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a respectful to the chef, and

2333
01:52:02,853 --> 01:52:05,012
Speaker 2: to be true, Matt, I am a typical New Zealand

2334
01:52:05,093 --> 01:52:07,133
Speaker 2: Western based culture based man.

2335
01:52:07,173 --> 01:52:10,333
Speaker 3: Based you see one of those base Westerns cultures based me.

2336
01:52:10,253 --> 01:52:12,572
Speaker 2: In I'm pretty basic, right. There's a lot of use

2337
01:52:12,572 --> 01:52:14,652
Speaker 2: of the word base in the opening sentence, so I

2338
01:52:14,732 --> 01:52:16,612
Speaker 2: put I pulled most of them out when I read

2339
01:52:16,612 --> 01:52:16,852
Speaker 2: it out.

2340
01:52:16,933 --> 01:52:18,692
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number

2341
01:52:18,732 --> 01:52:22,293
Speaker 3: to call it is ten to four the.

2342
01:52:22,173 --> 01:52:25,452
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, to the big trends and

2343
01:52:25,692 --> 01:52:29,492
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams Afternoons used

2344
01:52:29,532 --> 01:52:31,412
Speaker 1: dog zedb neus dog.

2345
01:52:31,372 --> 01:52:35,973
Speaker 2: Zbb Jason, you disagree with me, I say, doggie bags

2346
01:52:36,053 --> 01:52:38,013
Speaker 2: a bit weird. Just eat it? You say, take it

2347
01:52:38,053 --> 01:52:38,492
Speaker 2: all home?

2348
01:52:39,612 --> 01:52:40,412
Speaker 17: Oh day long?

2349
01:52:40,492 --> 01:52:40,692
Speaker 4: Hey.

2350
01:52:40,812 --> 01:52:42,892
Speaker 17: Before we went to that break, then you sort of

2351
01:52:42,893 --> 01:52:44,452
Speaker 17: touched on what I was going to say. I was thinking,

2352
01:52:44,452 --> 01:52:47,013
Speaker 17: when did this originate from? And it's definitely for me,

2353
01:52:47,173 --> 01:52:51,532
Speaker 17: came from the Chinese, you know, smaugas board or yum Cha,

2354
01:52:51,853 --> 01:52:55,572
Speaker 17: the actual name they use for doggie bags actually called Dalbo.

2355
01:52:57,093 --> 01:52:59,652
Speaker 17: And I look at it like this, like my trigger

2356
01:52:59,692 --> 01:53:02,932
Speaker 17: point is if I can actually generate a meal out

2357
01:53:02,933 --> 01:53:05,773
Speaker 17: of what's likely to be just run down the waist disposal,

2358
01:53:06,053 --> 01:53:08,293
Speaker 17: I think that's my I think that's my cutoff point.

2359
01:53:08,732 --> 01:53:11,733
Speaker 17: And no different if you pick up, you know, takeaways,

2360
01:53:11,772 --> 01:53:14,092
Speaker 17: you know, or uber eats whatever. Think of the times

2361
01:53:14,093 --> 01:53:17,253
Speaker 17: that you've taken that home and you've got, like for

2362
01:53:17,412 --> 01:53:20,892
Speaker 17: three quarters of a container of pride rice or not

2363
01:53:20,973 --> 01:53:23,532
Speaker 17: lovely peaking dark. Are you going to throw that down

2364
01:53:24,133 --> 01:53:25,293
Speaker 17: on the way through? You're going to eat it the

2365
01:53:25,293 --> 01:53:25,732
Speaker 17: next day?

2366
01:53:26,333 --> 01:53:29,372
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I'm a member of the Clean Plate Club, Jason.

2367
01:53:30,492 --> 01:53:33,532
Speaker 2: I've signed up member of the Clean Plate Club as

2368
01:53:33,532 --> 01:53:35,973
Speaker 2: a kid. Although I'd get sent to the kitchen or

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01:53:36,013 --> 01:53:37,612
Speaker 2: my room for doing it, but I'd finish my meal,

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01:53:37,652 --> 01:53:39,053
Speaker 2: lick the plate and put it on the table and

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01:53:39,093 --> 01:53:41,053
Speaker 2: then get kicked off the table for being disgusting. But

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Speaker 2: I've always believed in eating everything in front of me,

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01:53:43,572 --> 01:53:45,932
Speaker 2: and that has been challenging at Chinese restaurants before. I'm

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01:53:45,933 --> 01:53:47,412
Speaker 2: not going to lie to you, Jason, or I've been

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01:53:47,412 --> 01:53:50,412
Speaker 2: put under the pump by huge piles of food, which

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Speaker 2: are very generous a Chinese restaurants. And I appreciate that you're.

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01:53:53,293 --> 01:53:55,213
Speaker 3: A finisher though you're not going to give up, you know, quitter.

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01:53:55,372 --> 01:53:57,852
Speaker 2: No, I'm no quitter now. I'll just keep going, even

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01:53:57,853 --> 01:53:59,612
Speaker 2: if I get taken out by an ambulance, even if

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01:53:59,652 --> 01:54:01,572
Speaker 2: I have to be taken out on a streecher from overeating.

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01:54:01,612 --> 01:54:04,532
Speaker 2: I'll eat all of it. I mean, I'm the same

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01:54:04,532 --> 01:54:04,812
Speaker 2: as you.

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Speaker 17: I mean, my eyes always beginning the belly, and I'll

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01:54:07,973 --> 01:54:10,412
Speaker 17: always tend to not leave any behind because but then

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01:54:10,412 --> 01:54:11,532
Speaker 17: you've got to look at it, you know, you know

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01:54:12,492 --> 01:54:14,772
Speaker 17: the way you know the stuff they must throw out.

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01:54:14,893 --> 01:54:17,093
Speaker 17: I mean, if you can just generate another meal of

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01:54:17,133 --> 01:54:19,253
Speaker 17: an excellent and the happy, you know, make someone happy,

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01:54:19,253 --> 01:54:21,452
Speaker 17: even if it's not you, surely it's worth the effort

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01:54:21,452 --> 01:54:23,253
Speaker 17: of saying, you know, doggy bag, please know.

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01:54:23,333 --> 01:54:23,692
Speaker 2: There you go.

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01:54:23,772 --> 01:54:26,452
Speaker 3: Okay, Jason, Well, interesting discussion, I've got to say on

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01:54:26,532 --> 01:54:29,492
Speaker 3: the text machine, probably eighty percenter in your favor, but

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Speaker 3: there we go.

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01:54:30,452 --> 01:54:32,573
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much you great New Zealanders for listening.

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Speaker 2: We've had a great time. Hope you have the met

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Speaker 16: Cra Cray, first time I saw you up, So it's

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Speaker 16: gonna beat me as.

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Speaker 2: I got Clay Speak, I got crazy Steep.

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