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Speaker 1: Addressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else News Talk Savy.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, The

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Speaker 2: NATS on why they've changed the four year electoral term bill,

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Speaker 2: the co founder of event Finder on selling it to

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Speaker 2: the global giant ticketect Today. Lincoln on whether it's fair

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Speaker 2: to make all of the students redo the exam if

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Speaker 2: only a few use the AI n cheated and Salt

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Speaker 2: Funds on why so many overseas investors are interested in

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Speaker 2: buying New Zealand businesses.

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Speaker 3: Heather duper Cy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it is significant that David Seymour has

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Speaker 2: walked away from supporting his own bill to bring in

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Speaker 2: four year terms for government. Now he was the one

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Speaker 2: who introduced the bill. He's now pulled ACT support. Every

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Speaker 2: other party in Parliament appears to steal back it, but

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Speaker 2: he's pulled ACT support because the safeguards that he wanted

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Speaker 2: are gone.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: His idea was that we increase the terms from three

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Speaker 2: to four years. You vote the government and yet three

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Speaker 2: years and now he wants to make it four years,

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Speaker 2: which basically means giving the government more power, but he

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Speaker 2: was only okay with that if we balance it out

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Speaker 2: by taking away some power and then and his idea

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Speaker 2: was to allow the opposition parties to control every single

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Speaker 2: Select committee, giving them the power. But that part of

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Speaker 2: the plan, the select Select committee part of the plan

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Speaker 2: has been removed, so David Seymour doesn't support his own

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Speaker 2: idea anymore, which frankly I think is a good idea

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Speaker 2: because he has ended up exactly where I have been

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Speaker 2: this entire time. No to four year terms unless there

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Speaker 2: are new limits, because as it is, governments in this

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Speaker 2: country do not have much in the way of limits.

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Speaker 2: If they want to pass the law, they can, They

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Speaker 2: can do it under urgency. If they want to, they

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Speaker 2: can announce and pass it in literally the same day.

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Speaker 2: That is what happened with the pay equity law. Did

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Speaker 2: you like that? You want some more of that, because

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Speaker 2: that would would happen, but just for four years. This

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Speaker 2: is why Jeffrey Palmer said that we have the fastest

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Speaker 2: law in the West. Other countries have ways to limit

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Speaker 2: or control or check the power of the executive. They

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Speaker 2: have upper houses, they have senates. Whatever we've got nothing now,

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Speaker 2: given that everyone else, and Parliament seems to support this.

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Speaker 2: It seems to me a fair chance this is going

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Speaker 2: to go to referendum for us to decide, perhaps at

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Speaker 2: the next election. And people who want four years will

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Speaker 2: tell you that you must say yes because governments don't

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Speaker 2: have enough time to do what they want, which is

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Speaker 2: utter bollocks, because they do have enough time. I've realized

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Speaker 2: in the last couple of years. It's not because a

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Speaker 2: lack of time they don't get things done. It's because

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Speaker 2: of a lack of will. This government had enough time

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Speaker 2: to make changes to the supermarkets and take make changes

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Speaker 2: to the banks, and make changes to the energy sector.

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Speaker 2: They've talked about it enough. They haven't done it because

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Speaker 2: they don't want to do it, because it takes balls. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't want four years because two blocks of three

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Speaker 2: years of Jacinda Ardun's lunatic labor administration was enough. Can

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Speaker 2: you imagine how broke the country would be after two

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Speaker 2: blocks of four years? No, unless there are new safeguards

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Speaker 2: brought in, and there are no safeguards proposed, so it's

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Speaker 2: a hard no.

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Speaker 3: Heather duper c Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Can let you know what you think. Nine two ninety

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Speaker 2: two is the text number. As I said, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: to the NATS about what their big thinking is on

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Speaker 2: this after five o'clock now on social media. If you

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Speaker 2: didn't already think that it's a bit of a grim

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Speaker 2: There's a documentary maker who set out to find what

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Speaker 2: an imaginary thirteen year old girl would get served up

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Speaker 2: by the algorithm. None of it's good news. She only

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Speaker 2: but was really quickly confronted by content about eating disorders

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Speaker 2: Maxwell is with us. Hey Nadia, Hey, hey doing I'm

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Speaker 2: very well, thank you? So what did you see?

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Speaker 5: So there was two parts to the experiment. I first

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Speaker 5: started as before the new teen settings came in, and

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Speaker 5: like you said, I was searching for you know, Tailiswift

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Speaker 5: exercise cats. But really quickly the algorithm led me down

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Speaker 5: day videos to weight last tips and then within the

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Speaker 5: four days really heavy eating disorder content. Okay yah yeah,

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Speaker 5: and then Instagram announced, you know, good news where we're

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Speaker 5: bringing in teen settings. You know, peace of mind to

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Speaker 2: We've got your backs.

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Speaker 5: So I waited for those to come in and I

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Speaker 5: revisited the account. So you know, not only was distressing

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Speaker 5: content still prevalent, but even when I reported specific content

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Speaker 5: which clearly breached eating disorder standards by any normal person's standard,

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Speaker 5: it wasn't taken down.

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Speaker 2: So did it get better when they're brought in the

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Speaker 2: new safeguards?

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Speaker 5: The only positive difference that I saw was that in

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Speaker 5: part one there was a lot of really over sexualized content,

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Speaker 5: and so that's dropped down. But in terms of kind

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Speaker 5: a day, you know, there's just still so much heavy

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Speaker 2: Nadia, Look is it stuff that is you know you

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Speaker 2: can see that it would have a negative effect rein

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Speaker 2: eating disorder like you might be able to see it.

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Speaker 2: Or was it absolutely hard out? No, this is really

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Speaker 2: bad for a thirteen you know what I mean? Is

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for the settings come and definitely there was some

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Speaker 5: really hard out content. And of course, you know the

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Speaker 5: irony is, you know, when I was putting together that video,

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Speaker 5: that that media would pack it up and help me

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Speaker 5: get the story out. And of course we've got broadcasting

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Speaker 5: standards you know, in the real world, but online can

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Speaker 5: stumble upon this anytime. And part two of the experiment,

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Speaker 5: some of the more heavy eating just sort of content

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Speaker 5: didn't come up straight away, but there was still a

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Speaker 5: loss of Areta recovery content, which you know, you know,

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Speaker 5: arguably could help somebody in recovery. But this was a

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Speaker 5: thirteen year old who was never looking for this content,

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Speaker 5: who was searching for you for liking it.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that the social media companies are actually

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Speaker 2: or are they just like, actually I don't care, or worse,

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Speaker 5: Look, I think the problem, you know, is that there's

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Speaker 5: a huge thing to serve up this distressing content. You know,

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Speaker 5: their model, their model is engagement. And you know, this

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Speaker 5: is not really new to us, right, you know, films

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Speaker 5: like Social Dilemma came out in twenty twenty, so we've

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Speaker 5: kind of known this for five years. The whole business

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Speaker 5: model is based on keeping newss on for as long

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Speaker 6: And maybe it's not.

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Speaker 5: That they're evil, but their algorithm, which you know is

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Speaker 5: a soulless algorithms, has figured out that actually, you know what,

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Speaker 5: emotionally charged content keeps kids on long longer.

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Speaker 2: So I know, yeah, so what is your problem? What

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Speaker 2: do you reckon? What do you reckon we should do here?

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Speaker 2: Having had a good old look at it, do you

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Speaker 2: reckon we take it? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Look, I absolutely think we need to follow Australia's lead

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Speaker 5: and raise the minimum age to sixteen. You know, it's

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Speaker 5: about empowering parents and we need to reset the social

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Speaker 5: norms on this. And I think I do already feel

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Speaker 5: strongly that the appetite is different parents.

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Speaker 6: You know, we're all tired.

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Speaker 5: Of having to have these kind of individual battles in

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Speaker 5: our own homes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got kids.

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Speaker 5: I've got two girls, yes, two days?

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Speaker 4: Yep?

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Speaker 2: Yes, what are you doing?

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Speaker 5: I My girls aren't on social media? But I would

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Speaker 5: just like to say that, you know, like I've been

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Speaker 5: researching this for eighteen months, so when you're kind of

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Speaker 5: in it every day, it's really it's why you're a

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Speaker 5: lot easy?

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Speaker 7: Whod neve you it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why you shouldn't apologize for it? You're doing the right thing.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but I but I appreciate that that it's you know,

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Speaker 5: it's kind of against what is the normal at the

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Speaker 5: moment right there. It's really hard because everyone's everyone's yeah

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Speaker 5: everyone well everyone's could thrown it, right.

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Speaker 2: So it's really hard.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Because I'm living breathing that every day, it's easy

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Speaker 2: My yes and thank you for talking to us. I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Nadia Maxwell, documentary maker. Listen, you talk

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Speaker 2: to anybody who looks into it, right, These these people

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Speaker 2: are not psychos. It is like what's happening on the

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Speaker 2: you might want to have a little little think about

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Speaker 2: that all over again. Quite big news over in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Australia has expelled the ambassador from Iran. They reckon they've

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Speaker 2: got credible intelligence that Iran directed a couple of attacks

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Speaker 2: on Australian soil, I think on two different synagogues. This

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Speaker 2: first time they've expelled an ambassador at least post the

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Speaker 2: Second World War. So we'll talk to Mary Olds about

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Speaker 2: it when he's with us shortly. Right now, it's quarter

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Speaker 2: past four.

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Speaker 2: Heather Deacinda would have been gone after one term if

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Speaker 2: she had had a four year term, because the country

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Speaker 2: had figured her out by her fourth year. Keith, this

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Speaker 2: is fair because she got an in twenty twenty, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: which means we would have gone to the vote again.

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Speaker 2: So Twitter, No, hold on, when did she come in?

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Speaker 2: But Laura help me out. I've got baby brand today.

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Speaker 2: That's right, twenty seventeen. No, no, Keith, you're wrong. No,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, she would have come back. No mate, Sorry,

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Speaker 2: it's just still writing high there now. You would have

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Speaker 2: had fully eight years of her.

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Speaker 8: Would have depended when we switched to four years as well,

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Speaker 8: Like that question, It always depends. If we've gone to

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Speaker 8: four years, you know, ten years before that, then then

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Speaker 8: we have voted her in twenty eighteen like you.

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Speaker 2: Know, oh, you've ever complicated it? I really four nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Sport with tab bedlave with in play eight.

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Speaker 9: Hello, Duce four is a perfect cycle, no, because it

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Speaker 9: matches the World Cup and matches the Olympic Games. It

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Speaker 9: matches all sorts of World Cups. So from a sports

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Speaker 9: point of view, four years is comfortable.

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Speaker 2: We can build our lives around a lot more. We

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Speaker 2: can stagger it. We could go New Zealand government elections

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Speaker 2: must fall halfway between rugby World.

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Speaker 9: Cups and then we'll know because that pretty much is

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Speaker 9: more important than new An election.

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Speaker 11: Jeffer is all over there.

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Speaker 9: Shane Van Gisbee a number of years?

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Speaker 7: How do you arm with him?

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Speaker 12: This morning?

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Speaker 9: He was charming and wonderful and smiling. Even called me Darcy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Darcy. Darcy Watergrave sports talk host seven o'clock

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duper Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 2: They'd be the two words rural connectivity. Tvns ha'd better

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Speaker 2: be careful what they wished for, because Sparksport was disgraceful,

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Speaker 2: especially for rural New Zealand. Andy, thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: That is a fair point for twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been you were aware of it,

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Speaker 2: So what happened is that about ten o'clock last night

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Speaker 2: more importantly, police are making inquiries into the distress radio transmission,

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Speaker 2: I think they need to throw the book at They

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Speaker 2: It's wasted the time of good people trying to find

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? News is next to Murray

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Speaker 2: Old shortly on this business with the run in Australia.

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Speaker 4: Some middle.

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Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers talked to Heather first, Heather Duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite

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Speaker 4: Heather.

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Speaker 2: A four year term the government is okay as long

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Speaker 2: It'll be gloomy though, wouldn't it. Jers really punished the

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Speaker 2: has just got even better. Fonterra has settled the dispute

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Speaker 2: So the total now is four point two to two billion.

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Speaker 2: How good twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Two police officers have been killed in a shooting in Victoria.

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Speaker 2: Elbow has offered his condolences.

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Speaker 13: Our thoughts are with the police for the work that

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Speaker 3: Take hush each and every day.

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Speaker 2: More of Ossie. Correspondent Murray old shortly and Israeli strike

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Speaker 14: We are operating in an extremely complex reality. Hermas terrorists

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Speaker 2: And finally, a painting that was looted by the Nazis

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Speaker 2: Portrait of a Lady is one of the paintings taken

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Speaker 2: So it was a little bit of a surprise, knot

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Speaker 2: She hasn't responded to inquiries from the Dutch, at least

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Speaker 2: shall we guess?

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ensign Eye Insurance Peace of Mind for

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Speaker 2: Business and they can't find array. They're trying to track

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Speaker 4: A muz, very good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: All right, so fill us in on what's happening with Iran.

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Speaker 15: Well, the ambassadors being kicked out along with we understand

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Speaker 15: Which is the Australian Domestic Intelligence Agency says Iran, via

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Speaker 15: the embassy in Canberra, orchestrated at least two anti Semitic

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Speaker 15: I'm really interested to see what it's going to unfold.

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Speaker 2: Any indication as to why Iran was targeting Australia in particular.

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Speaker 15: Now, Australian people don't want conflict of the Middle East

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Speaker 15: going to stand for another country like Iran carrying out

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Speaker 15: these attacks Orchestralian, these attacks on Australian soil.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff. Okay. Now tell me about these two

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Speaker 2: police officers killed in the shooting. What's gone down here?

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Speaker 4: Well, they were ambooks.

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Speaker 15: According to reports that are coming out of the Victorian

446
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Speaker 15: High Country, there were three police executing a warrant that

447
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Speaker 15: were investigating historical sex abuse allegations and they were allegedly

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Speaker 15: ambooshed by a fellow who lived on this property in

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Speaker 15: a bus.

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Speaker 4: It's about three hundred kilometers northeast of Melbourne.

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Speaker 15: For those who know the area, perhaps you've cycled up

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Speaker 15: through their hiking and you know it's a lovely, beautiful,

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Speaker 15: peaceful part of the Australian high Country. So these two

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Speaker 15: officers have been shot dead, the third one hitting the leg.

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Speaker 15: Now a huge police presence there, as you might imagine

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Speaker 15: this afternoon because the government's still on the run. They've

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Speaker 15: got police and camouflage gear. This is a very very

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Speaker 15: difficult part of the country to get around. It's very

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Speaker 15: dense bush, very steep and rocky terrain. We understand a

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Speaker 15: little bit about the chap they're looking for. He's believed

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Speaker 15: to be a self proclaimed sovereign citizen. These are people

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Speaker 15: who consider themselves to be off the grid as far

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Speaker 15: as any police, any government, any normal societal involvement is concerned.

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Speaker 15: They don't believe in anything along those lines. Distrust for law,

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Speaker 15: distrust for government. He's even changed his name to reflect

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Speaker 15: as sovereign status. And apparently the two weapons that the

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Speaker 15: fatally shot officers were carrying were taken from their bodies.

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Speaker 15: So again unfolding situation. It's a hell of a mess

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Speaker 15: down there. Of course the Prime Minister you heard that clip,

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Speaker 15: and of course the Victorian Premier also expressing just the

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Speaker 15: deepest shock and sadness met what's happened?

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right now. Brendan Smith is in a lot

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Speaker 2: of trouble, isn't He.

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Speaker 4: Could be could be my word, Brandon Smith for those

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Speaker 4: who don't know, he's twenty nine years.

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Speaker 15: Old, a fabulous rugby league player, played I think thirteen

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Speaker 15: fourteen times for the kiwis also played for the Maori

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Speaker 15: rugby league side, currently playing for the South Sydney Bunnies

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Speaker 15: after one hundred and forty odd games with the Storm.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's a very good player.

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Speaker 15: But he's apparently it's emerged that he's in being investigated

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Speaker 15: for allegedly organizing a cocaine drop for his then teammates.

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Speaker 4: A bunch of them were up on the Gold Coast

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Speaker 4: on a bye weekend, the weekend off from rugby league

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Speaker 4: up there on a golf.

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Speaker 15: Trip and they wanted a bit of Bolivian marching powder apparently,

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Speaker 15: and Brandon Smith. The allegation is that he's put his

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Speaker 15: hand him said I can sort that out for you.

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Speaker 15: So there's no suggestion any drugs were consumed or changed hands.

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Speaker 15: The suggestion is that Smith was perhaps caught on some

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Speaker 15: sort of listening device, suggesting that it wouldn't be a

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Speaker 15: problem in Queensland. It's pretty strict under Queensland law. A

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Speaker 15: person who supplies the drug, whether that in the state

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Speaker 15: or not, is guilty of a crime if they're convicted. Now, look,

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Speaker 15: he's had a few other issues in the past. He

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Speaker 15: made comments about a boozy culture at the Storm that

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Speaker 15: did not endear him his teammates, and suggestions that he

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Speaker 15: was involved in taking illegal substances with the Roosters last

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Speaker 15: year in twenty twenty four season twenty four. So there's

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Speaker 15: a whole again, another moving story. He had the lots

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Speaker 15: of moving parts. We'll have to have a look tonight

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Speaker 15: and see how it's all been packaged up.

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Speaker 2: Yep, hey, thanks Mars, appreciated, look after yourself. Murray Olds,

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Speaker 2: Australia correspondent. Yet another New Zealand business has sold to

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Speaker 2: international buyers. Geez, the list is actually quite long, by

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Speaker 2: the way, I mean it's the ones that we've talked

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Speaker 2: about already. It's Terror going to Lactalise, It's Picks Peanut

508
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Speaker 2: Butter going to the Melbournians. It's seventy five percent of

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Speaker 2: Sparks data center business going to Pacific Equity. It's Contact

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Speaker 2: Energies acquisition of Munaway Energy. Well, I mean that's obviously domestic,

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Speaker 2: but regardless, there have been What I'm trying to say

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Speaker 2: is there have been a lot of international acquisitions. An

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Speaker 2: event find is the latest one. It's event Final if

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Speaker 2: you don't know, as a ticketing and event listing business

515
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Speaker 2: here in New Zealand that does the small stuff, so

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Speaker 2: it does school fares, fundraisers, and then it also goes

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Speaker 2: up to the mid range stuff that's obviously apparently would

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Speaker 2: appear to be a part of the part of the

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Speaker 2: business that Ticketech doesn't have, part of the market it

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Speaker 2: doesn't have. So it's bought it and it's going to

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Speaker 2: take it worldwide. We're going to speak to the guy.

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Speaker 2: It still needs approval from the Commerce Commission. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to speak to one of the co founders about it,

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Speaker 2: James mcglyn. After the quarter past five. Barry Soapers with

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Speaker 2: us next.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certaindy, Barri Soper SENI your political correspondence with us. Now,

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Speaker 2: high Barry, can we start with John Barnett's passing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 7: You could have knocked me over last night when I

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Speaker 7: was told that John had passed. It was incredible. Just

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Speaker 7: over a week ago I was at his eightieth birthday

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Speaker 7: and the speeches from John and his lovely wife Sarah wonderful.

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Speaker 7: And I ran into him on Sunday when I was

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Speaker 7: out walking a little girl and we had a long

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Speaker 7: chat then and he died later that day. I found

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Speaker 7: it absolutely extraordinary. This man was an absolute legend. I've

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Speaker 7: known him for more than forty years, and in fact

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Speaker 7: we're involved in business trying to get TV three up

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Speaker 7: and running in the nineteen eighties. But he went on

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Speaker 7: to do amazing things in South Pacific Pictures he owned.

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Speaker 7: He put out those wonderful movies among ten of the

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Speaker 7: top grossing films in New Zealand. Foot Rock Flats, while

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Speaker 7: Rider Sione's wedding once were Warriors and the sequel What

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Speaker 7: Became of the Broken Hearted? You know, an incredible man,

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Speaker 7: short outrageous fortune. They were his programs as well. And

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Speaker 7: you know, John was never a man to brag about

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Speaker 7: what his achievements were, but they were legendary. And the

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Speaker 7: tributes that have been pouring in for him today are

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Speaker 7: you know, what would be expected of a man of

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Speaker 7: this caliber. It's a very sad day for the film

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Speaker 7: industry in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it is. And also it seems kind

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Speaker 2: of sad for him because he was so happy.

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Speaker 7: Oh well, I've never seen John incredibly got married for

556
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Speaker 7: the first time in his life at seventy eight, and

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Speaker 7: he went to New York to get married, and you know,

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Speaker 7: came back and had a wonderful occasion here with all

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Speaker 7: his friends. But you know, he I thought at his

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Speaker 7: eightieth I thought John was the happiest I've ever seen him.

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Speaker 7: And in fact, when I talked to him on Sunday,

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Speaker 7: we were talking about age and John was saying, one

563
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Speaker 7: thing you've got to do is you've got to keep

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Speaker 7: he always keep busy, always have a project. I'll tell

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Speaker 7: you what it does do though, whether it brings home

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Speaker 7: to you. And I'm sure a lot of listeners listening

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Speaker 7: to this and so it brings your own mortality home

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Speaker 7: to you.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you just never know what's going on. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, particularly for you at your age. Again, No,

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Speaker 2: that's not what I mean.

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Speaker 11: It's not too old, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I do, I mean I mean that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think I think for for you know, when you

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Speaker 2: see your peers start falling over your big people in

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Speaker 2: your life, John Barnett, Bob Jones, people who are important,

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Speaker 2: it's very confronting. So yeah, sorry, Barry, I won't choose

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Speaker 2: you about your age anymore.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now is it? Does it appear to you that

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters may be getting a bit pissy at the

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Speaker 2: Prime minister over Palestine.

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Speaker 3: Oh he is.

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Speaker 7: And they've said from the start though, in Winston in particular,

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Speaker 7: and said that look, they'll be making a statement to

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Speaker 7: the General Assembly in Septeve in New York. And you

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Speaker 7: know they'll be making a statement essentially to an empty

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Speaker 7: auditorium because New Zealand being the country of its size,

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Speaker 7: and I've been there many times with prime ministers, they

590
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Speaker 7: stand up New Zealand at the end of the day

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Speaker 7: most people have gone home, and they deliver a statement. Well,

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Speaker 7: will I would imagine most certainly recognize Palestine providing this

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Speaker 7: a two state We've always said there should be a

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Speaker 7: two state solution. But in the meantime, Winston says that

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Speaker 7: he's not happy about people running on at the mouth

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Speaker 7: and giving a running commentary essentially of what's going on there. Well,

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Speaker 7: the person that's been doing that is the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 7: But I'm sorry, I think the Prime Minister is well

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Speaker 7: within his rights. He is the leader of the country

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Speaker 7: and if he wants to express a view that maybe

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Speaker 7: outside the gamut of foreign affairs who are quite conservative

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Speaker 7: in these things, I think the Prime Minister is going to.

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Speaker 2: Run can I ask you?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 2: And fair enough with the position that he holds, he

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Speaker 2: does have a right. But given the man sitting there,

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Speaker 2: the Foreign Affairs Minister is one of the most experienced

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Speaker 2: foreign affairs all these countries ever had, would you not

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Speaker 2: defer to him or listen to him if he is

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Speaker 2: saying because what Winston is saying is constant commentary on

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Speaker 2: this is not helpful. So should Luxon not listen to him?

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Speaker 7: Well, yes he should, but he is the boss and

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Speaker 7: if he wants to make a statement, I mean you

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Speaker 7: look at all the other countries around the world that

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Speaker 7: have made statements about the madness of Netanyahu and lux

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Speaker 7: and saying he lost the plot. I think that's absolutely

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Speaker 7: fair commentary.

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Speaker 2: We don't know what's going on in the background. So

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Speaker 2: sitting aside, sitting aside the fact that Luckson is the boss,

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Speaker 2: because he is your rights ultimately his call. If you

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Speaker 2: had to choose between Winston or Chris Luxon being right

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Speaker 2: on this, who would you choose?

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Speaker 7: Well, there is no right on this, I don't think.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, you can say you can tread

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Speaker 7: very carefully on this and take all the facts into account,

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Speaker 7: but you know you only have to turn on the

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Speaker 7: television every night to see what's happening in gars and

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Speaker 7: the occupation of Garza City to say, well, look, so

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Speaker 7: isn't right here, and we've got I think we've got

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Speaker 7: a duty as a country to speaker.

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Speaker 2: Now, Baro, I don't have a long time, so just

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Speaker 2: hit me with your spray on the four years go on.

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Speaker 7: Oh well, I see, I've always been an advocate for

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Speaker 7: four years, and I said so in the referendum number

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Speaker 7: of years ago. That was lost. But you know the

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Speaker 7: idea that you can decide between three and four years.

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Speaker 7: You can get four years if you give the chairmanship

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Speaker 7: of select committees to the opposition is.

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Speaker 2: Patiently David was overly complicated. But were you imagining this.

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Speaker 7: If the chair of a select committee had the casting

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Speaker 7: vote on every piece of legislation and it happened to

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Speaker 7: be the opposition, you would never get anything.

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Speaker 4: Done in Parliament.

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Speaker 7: And you know you say there are checks and balances,

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Speaker 7: and there are in many systems of Senates in the

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Speaker 7: United States and the House of Lords in Britain. We've

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Speaker 7: got after our higher House that we did have here

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Speaker 7: until the fifties, we've got the select committee process. It's

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Speaker 7: with the public attabmy thanks a ubber.

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Speaker 2: Stamping laws, no laws, chime time time, Thank you barriers,

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Speaker 2: it's short spray and thank you very much Barry So

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Speaker 2: for seeing your political correspondent seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 16: What's going on at the universities. They've got what's called

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Speaker 16: grade inflation. A grades have gone from twenty two percent

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Speaker 16: of results to thirty five percent. Chris Williams, the Chief

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Speaker 16: executive of Course of Universities New Zealand. Is grade inflation

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Speaker 16: a recognized thing?

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Speaker 12: Look it is, but it's not necessarily a bad thing.

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Speaker 12: Over the last twenty years, every university had the same

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Speaker 12: pressures to basically lift graduate outcomes, and they've invested in that.

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Speaker 16: You're saying that we've bulked up the system and because

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Speaker 16: of that people do better.

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Speaker 12: I can't defensively say, but I know the report only

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Speaker 12: considers four sectors, none of which are things like changes

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Speaker 12: in how teaching is done or all the systems put

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Speaker 12: around student.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow at six am the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 2: Hey, just quick heads up. If you're trying to send

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Speaker 2: parcels to the US, New Zealand Post is not sending

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Speaker 2: parcels to the US at all at the moment. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like it's not just business parcels. It's like any

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Speaker 2: parcel you can't seend Christmas parcels, you can't send anything.

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Speaker 2: Am I right in that? That's what it sounds like. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I am right in that. Seasons well, I'm checking everything,

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Speaker 2: referring everything up today because we've got a hectic case

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Speaker 2: of baby brain. Anyway, It's not just us, so don't

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Speaker 2: be hating on New Zealand Post. European parcels also suspended.

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Speaker 2: Australian parcels also suspended. It's basically because of the tariffs.

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Speaker 2: It's so complex because you've got it. If you're the

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Speaker 2: person sending it, you have to figure out where your

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Speaker 2: goods are manufactured in the parcels and then you have

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Speaker 2: to figure out with the tariff. What a pain in

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Speaker 2: the butt. So as a result, New Zealand Post are

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Speaker 2: figuring out how to deal with it and it might

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Speaker 2: be weeks before you can send parcels again, hopefully in

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Speaker 2: time for Christmas. Listen Lincoln University, funny thing has happened there, well,

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Speaker 2: funny ish. I suppose the kids have been busted with

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Speaker 2: the AI cheating. So they were in a coding class

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Speaker 2: of doing coding for the computers and yeah, some of

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Speaker 2: them quite quite clearly had been using the AI. So

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Speaker 2: what they did was they got everybody who sat the

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Speaker 2: exam to come in and do it again and they

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Speaker 2: have to do a verbal expls nation this time, which

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Speaker 2: is quite harsh because it affects everybody, but it does

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Speaker 2: be but you know you. Basically, the theory is if

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Speaker 2: you can't explain your code, explain your code, then you

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Speaker 2: didn't write your code. That's how they're going to figure

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Speaker 2: it out. But it does make you wonder if maybe

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Speaker 2: that's what they should have done in the first place,

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Speaker 2: because obviously AI was going to be used in anything

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Speaker 2: to do with computers. At the moment, the young kids

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Speaker 2: are all over it. Anyway, we'll have a chat to

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Speaker 2: Lincoln about that after half past five. Next up, though,

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Speaker 2: let's talk to the Nats about the four year term.

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Speaker 2: Looks like we're getting closer to a referendum on the

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Speaker 2: four year term for governments. The Justice Select Committee has

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Speaker 2: recommended stripping out some of the more complicated parts of

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Speaker 2: this particular law, which is cause David Seymour, who actually

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Speaker 2: sponsored the law, to walk away from supporting it. But

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Speaker 2: it does seem that every other party in Parliament still

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Speaker 2: supports it. Andrew Bailey is the chair of the Justice

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Speaker 2: Select Committee and with us hey Andrew Hello, is the

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Speaker 2: National Party going to vote for this?

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Speaker 17: Oh look, that's a decision for a caucus, but it's

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Speaker 17: had almost unanimous agreement across the committee that we should

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Speaker 17: put it to a referendum.

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Speaker 2: The question is when twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 17: Well, from a committee's perspective, we suggested both twenty twenty

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Speaker 17: six or twenty twenty nine, but we did note that

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Speaker 17: if you want to try and do it next year,

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Speaker 17: it's the government's call whether it might. At there a

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Speaker 17: couple of issues significant issues. One is that how do

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Speaker 17: you coincide central central government elections alongside local council elections,

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Speaker 17: So under the proposed term that was going to be variable,

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Speaker 17: so might end up having elections in the same year.

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Speaker 17: And the second thing, there's quite a large reform of

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Speaker 17: electoral laws going through that the committee's looking at the moment,

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Speaker 17: and so we've said, given that and the capacity issues

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Speaker 17: within Electoral Commission to be able to handle all that,

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Speaker 17: we just said, if you want to do it next year,

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Speaker 17: there will be challenging.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so more likely twenty twenty nine. Then what checks

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Speaker 2: are you putting in to replace what you've stripped out?

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Speaker 2: Read the select committees?

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Speaker 10: We haven't.

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Speaker 18: The issue was.

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Speaker 17: Did the proposal in the bill work? And there are

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Speaker 17: a lot of submitters who said that it wouldn't and

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Speaker 17: the committee came to a view apart from active, and

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Speaker 17: it came to view that the complicated structure around the

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Speaker 17: different types of committee arrangements just wouldn't work under that situation.

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Speaker 17: That doesn't mean that a future government might look at

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Speaker 17: other options around it. But I think the central theme

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Speaker 17: around whether we should have a referendum on three year

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Speaker 17: or four year term centers around the issue around is

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Speaker 17: it more effective for governments and ministers are able to

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Speaker 17: do their job in that longer term. And one might

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Speaker 17: argue that if it is a four year term, maybe

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Speaker 17: it's more lucky that governments get turfed out after only

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Speaker 17: one term of four years rather than three years.

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Speaker 2: Which are you arguing, Are you arguing you don't need

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Speaker 2: any more checks, you don't need to add in a

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Speaker 2: new layer of checks.

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Speaker 17: No, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying the committee

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Speaker 17: we had to consider the bill that was in front

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Speaker 17: of us, and that had a certain proposal in it

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Speaker 17: which the Committee came to a view that was too complicated,

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Speaker 17: so on that basis we couldn't support it. That doesn't

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Speaker 17: mean that might be other ways looking at do.

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Speaker 2: You think that there should be if we extend it

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Speaker 2: from three to four years, we should add another check in.

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Speaker 17: You asked me personally, Well, that's a different thing. I

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Speaker 17: can say what the committee's view on it. I think

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Speaker 17: personally I think that's a benefit about having a four

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Speaker 17: year term. But you know, there's a lot of different

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Speaker 17: views on that. But the issue is I think the

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Speaker 17: central issues where that we get more effective government around

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Speaker 17: having a longer term.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey, Andrew, thanks very much, appreciate it. Andrew Bailey,

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Speaker 2: chair of the Justice Select Committee.

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Speaker 3: Either do for cellen.

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Speaker 2: Australian Intelligence Services say Iran was behind two anti Semitic

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Speaker 2: attacks on Australian soil. The attacks were on Adas Israel

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Speaker 2: Synagogue in Melbourne and then Lewis Continental Kitchen and Bondi.

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Speaker 2: Both were allegedly arranged by Iran through intermediaries. The Iranian

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Speaker 2: ambassad has been expelled must leave Australia in the next week.

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Speaker 2: Charles Crounscher is Channel nine chief political editor with US

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Speaker 2: now h Charles, Hey, Heather, Have they explained how they

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Speaker 2: know it was a run?

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Speaker 19: No, they haven't because there are people that have been

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Speaker 19: arrested in this situation. So that we still investigations going on,

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Speaker 19: and there will be the chance that these people become

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Speaker 19: prose prosecuted, which is unusual when it comes to the

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Speaker 19: intelligence operations. But also this is an unusual situation. This

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Speaker 19: would be the first time since World War Two that

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Speaker 19: Australia has been attacked at the behest of a foreign government.

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Speaker 19: It's certainly one of the first times we've expelled an

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Speaker 19: ambassador since World War Two as well. So we are

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Speaker 19: in unusual circumstances here, but the government azo the Australian

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Speaker 19: Federal Police confident enough to make that announcement today. Our

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Speaker 19: embassy in Iran has been evacuated. The ambassador over there

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Speaker 19: and any embassy staff have left the country and that's

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Speaker 19: the expectation that Iran's ambassador will do so within a week.

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Speaker 2: Have they explained why Iran wanted to target Australia of all.

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Speaker 3: Places, Yeah, they have.

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Speaker 19: The idea here is they say the motivation is to

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Speaker 19: cause a fracturing of the society in some ways and

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Speaker 19: also to isolate Jewish Australians here in particular.

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Speaker 3: As for why, of.

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Speaker 19: All the countries in the world, we would be choosing

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Speaker 19: to take Australia in our part of the world that's

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Speaker 19: not clear now.

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Speaker 2: The Australian diplomats in Irana ware.

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Speaker 19: A third country. They haven't said where they've evacuated two.

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Speaker 19: Given that area, I guess it's one of the other

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Speaker 19: Arab states that we do have better relations with, but

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Speaker 19: they won't say where.

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Speaker 3: They are at the moment.

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Speaker 19: Only they were told yesterday to get out, so it

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Speaker 19: was it would be a fairly hairy in twenty four

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Speaker 19: hours to clear out an embassy and get out of

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Speaker 19: the country, all while raising as little suspicion as possible

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Speaker 19: throughout Tehran as this is going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Charles listen, thanks for talking us through to

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. As Charles Croucher, Channel nine's chief political editor,

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Speaker 2: Heather duper c ellen, whether I work for a software

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Speaker 2: development company and our devs are relishing AI and how

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Speaker 2: much work it is cutting down for them and universities

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Speaker 2: need to get on board with us, I would agree

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Speaker 2: with it, wouldn't you agree that. I had a conversation

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Speaker 2: about this the other day because I asked one of

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Speaker 2: the because we're in the reporting season at the minute,

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Speaker 2: and I think I'm going to be the spark boss.

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Speaker 2: I asked her what are you doing with the AI?

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Speaker 2: What are you using it for? And she's using it

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Speaker 2: for a whole bunch of stuff. And then one of

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Speaker 2: my friends piped up and said, oh, yeah, I heard that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of the other chief executives around New Zealand, not

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Speaker 2: naming any names, organized his entire holiday using AI, right

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Speaker 2: down to booking. Well, he didn't the AI, didn't book

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Speaker 2: the accommodation, but he asked AI like, I've got two

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Speaker 2: children or whatever I want to go, blah blah whatever

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Speaker 2: do this do that needs to be four star whatever

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Speaker 2: it needs to be, and AI gave him all. It

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Speaker 2: needs to be in trendy part of town to did

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Speaker 2: the AI gave him everything and he used that and

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Speaker 2: then booked his trip based the entire thing on AI. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: So my friends and I got talking about it, and

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Speaker 2: then one of my friends was like, you need to

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Speaker 2: ask literally every CEO what they're using AI for. So

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Speaker 2: why do you why do you want me to do that?

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Speaker 2: She said, Oh, because people are still freaked out about

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Speaker 2: AI and we need to normalize it for them. And

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Speaker 2: do you know what I think that's bang on. I

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Speaker 2: think people are weirdly freaked out about AI and we

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Speaker 2: need to normalize it. And by the way, if you're

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Speaker 2: not using AI for your job, and we are literally

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Speaker 2: all answer you're using AI. No, he's the no surprise,

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Speaker 2: no surprise either. Rest of us are using AI for

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Speaker 2: our job every single day. If you're not using AI

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Speaker 2: them out go into your local dealer byd auto dot Co.

875
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Speaker 2: Dot and set is the website to use Heather Dooper

876
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: l eighteen pass five now local Kiwi company. Event Finder

877
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: is the latest company to be snapped up by the

878
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: offshore guys, this time by the Aussie giant ticker Tech.

879
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: Event Finder lets the event organizers, promote and cell tickets

880
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: all in one place. Very cool to use. James McGlynn

881
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 2: as the co founder of event Finder. Hey James, Hi, congrats,

882
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: How are you feeling really good?

883
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 20: Really excited? The team here at event Finder overjoyed. It's

884
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 20: vindication really that we've built a world class platform from

885
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 20: down here in New Zealand and TG have been very

886
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 20: interested in helping us take that to the world.

887
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: So how big is this?

888
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 6: Like?

889
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: Is this a deal so big you'll never have to

890
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: work in the whole of the rest of your life.

891
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 20: We're not disclosing any of the deal terms.

892
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 2: But we can't even tell us if you never have to,

893
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: if you can buy any beach house you want, buy

894
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: a chopper and never have to work again.

895
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 20: I'm not even thinking about beach houss than choppers. We're

896
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 20: thinking about how we go into the rest of the

897
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 20: world and starting with Australia, the UK, the US, Singapore.

898
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 20: There's a huge amount of potential and you know, something

899
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 20: that we've been working on here and I've been working

900
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 20: on personally for twenty years, so it's you know, it

901
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 20: couldn't come fast enough. We're really excited about it.

902
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: So are you still involved with it?

903
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 20: Are you absolutely involved? Do I remain Managing director of

904
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 20: event Finder? The leadership team that I have here in

905
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 20: New Zealand will remain. All of our team remain. It's

906
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 20: business as usual for event Finder and for our clients.

907
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 20: Nothing changes about our approach, our product, our service, pricing terms,

908
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 20: any of those things. What we get to do now

909
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 20: is go into the world stage and show them what

910
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 20: we've got.

911
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: How big do you reckon you can get?

912
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 20: I think this global opportunity for this, I honestly do.

913
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 20: I don't believe there's anything anywhere in the world that

914
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 20: does what we do with this sort of level of

915
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 20: capability that the event Finder team have built and TG

916
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 20: you have looked around globally and have come down and

917
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 20: seen us and said Okay, we want to help you

918
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 20: take this and really make it into something huge.

919
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: We've got quite a few sales at the moment of

920
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: New Zealand businesses to offshore interests. Why do you think

921
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: that is? Is there a genuine interest in us for

922
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: some reason?

923
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Speaker 20: I think this is the path. I think we We're

924
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 20: a small country down here in New Zealand, five million

925
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 20: people and if you can get to the point where

926
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Speaker 20: you're ready to take that product offshore into much bigger markets,

927
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Speaker 20: this is really the way that you do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant stuff. Hey, thank you very much, James, James McGlenn,

929
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Speaker 2: event find a co founder.

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Speaker 12: Listen.

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Speaker 2: As I said to you earlier, apparently there's heaps of

932
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Speaker 2: international interest in buying New Zealand businesses. It's now at

933
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: an all time high. This is according to a survey

934
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Speaker 2: by Simpson Grierson. Forty nine percent of respondents considered plowing

935
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: more cash in here in the next year. This is

936
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Speaker 2: obviously international firms. That's up from forty percent last year.

937
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: Apparently what's going well is the government going around saying

938
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Speaker 2: we're open for business. They're hearing it, they are registering it,

939
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: and they're seeing it and so they're coming in for it,

940
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: but also they're also seeing the policy changes right the

941
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Speaker 2: reforms to the Overseas Investment Act talk about the foreign

942
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: buyers being able to get into the houses and so

943
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Speaker 2: on and so on. There may also be an aspect

944
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: of it is that New Zealand businesses are relatively cheap

945
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Speaker 2: compared to others. But we're going to canvas all of

946
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: this when we have a chat to Salt Funds, they

947
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: will be with us just after half past six twenty one.

948
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Speaker 1: The name you trusted to get the answers you need,

949
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: it's Heather dup clan drive with one New Zealand coverage

950
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: like no one else us talk the'd be Whither're.

951
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: A window manufacturer in Palmerston North also sold last week

952
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 2: to two Australians and that would have been worth millions.

953
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 6: Brilliant stuff.

954
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: Well done you guys.

955
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: Five point twenty four. Now let's talk about tv and

956
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: Z putting the FIFA behind a paywall.

957
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 6: Now.

958
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: I think TVZ got a little bit over excited on

959
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: the television news last night when it was an exclusive

960
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: lead story and then they called it the game changer.

961
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: It's not really a game changer, is it?

962
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 4: For you?

963
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: And I I mean, if we didn't have the FIFA

964
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: World Cup partly free to air and then partly behind

965
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: TVNZ's paywall, we simply have had it on Sky, partly

966
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: free to air and partly behind their skate their paywall.

967
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: So the game is not, as they say, changed for

968
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: us the customers, but for them it is absolutely a

969
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: game changer because this will be the first time that

970
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: TV and Z is popping content up behind a paywall,

971
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: and I'm amped for them. I really hope for them

972
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: that it goes well, mainly for selfish reasons, which is

973
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 2: that we taxpayers then don't have to end up bailing

974
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: TVNZ out in the future. I think the days I mean,

975
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: I've come to terms with the fact that the days

976
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: of TV and Z paying the government a dividend are

977
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: probably long gone. The way it looks right now with

978
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 2: the media market, I think what we should be hoping

979
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: for is that TVNZ just washes its own face and

980
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: doesn't come looking for help to survive. But for that

981
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: to happen, they need to figure out how to take

982
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: themselves from a linear TV free to all offering to

983
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 2: a digital streaming, some of it behind a pay wall offering.

984
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: This is the only way that they're going to make

985
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 2: enough money to keep broadcasting to us without us having

986
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: to chuck heaps of money at them. And even as

987
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: I say that, I suspect that we will still have

988
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: to chuck heaps of money at them in the future

989
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: just to keep Kiwi shows available. Maybe the best that

990
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 2: we can hope for is that it's actually not heaps,

991
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: just a little bit of money that we're chucking at them.

992
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: Who knows, And maybe it's not even just for selfish reasons.

993
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm also hoping it'll work because I'm hoping that

994
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: our national television broadcaster finds a way to survive and

995
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: thrive in a new digital world so that we can

996
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: keep watching ourselves as kiwis back on Telly, which I

997
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: do think is either way, I have my fingers crossed

998
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: for them that they nailed this and that this is

999
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: the start of something really good for them.

1000
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: Heather Duplasla Either I.

1001
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: Use AI every night for dinner and spo I'm on

1002
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: a budget, so I tell it my ingredients and I

1003
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: get several options, and it's brilliant. I've never been disappointed

1004
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: with the AI response. How good is that? Hither I

1005
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: love using AI. My two kids booked a holiday in

1006
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: Japan using it. Because I'm a cautious gen xer. I

1007
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: got them to double check everything. They eventually noticed one

1008
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: of the hotels that recommend it didn't actually exist. It

1009
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: is great, but use it with caution. I think we've

1010
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: all realized the old hallucinations are a real thing on

1011
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: the AI. I used it yesterday to double check a

1012
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: fact that I knew and it just made up a fact.

1013
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: So you do have to and that could be time consuming.

1014
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm starting to feel like, you know, you've got to

1015
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: You've got to use it, building in a bit of

1016
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: time for the old double checking Hither I use chat

1017
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: GPT to plan an eight week trip through Europe. The

1018
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: itinery and the accommodation were fabulous. James Aki, do you

1019
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: know what I used it for the other day, which

1020
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: the German told me off, you know, big way for

1021
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: was I put my kid's photos into it and I said,

1022
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: tell me what this child is going to look like

1023
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: at twenty one, And it came back for the three

1024
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: and a half year old boy, and I thought, jeez,

1025
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 2: you're going to be you are going to be a

1026
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: handsome young man. You are And then I put in

1027
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: the I think she might have been about three months

1028
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: at that stage. I put in the three month old.

1029
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: I said, tell me what this child is going to

1030
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: look like at twenty one, and I thought, geez, you're

1031
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: going to be a handsome young man as well, which

1032
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: is a surprise, because AI couldn't tell the difference, couldn't

1033
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: tell it was a baby girl, which, to be fair,

1034
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: is fine. I mean, much of the time we're relying

1035
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: on the color combo of the outfit, aren't we. They

1036
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 2: all look the same. They just look like little turnips

1037
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: at that stage, it little old men. Anyway. Then I

1038
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: said that, by the way, I thinks a lot, it

1039
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: is a girl, and she came, she's beautiful, she's good,

1040
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 2: and I can see it, you know. Anyway, the German

1041
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: told me off. She said, I'm harvesting my own children's

1042
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: photos and I shouldn't be doing that. But you can

1043
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: do that, and it's quite it's quite a fun little thing.

1044
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 2: You're welcome, Lincoln Next.

1045
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

1046
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen

1047
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite

1048
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: Mobile news talk zab.

1049
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Speaker 4: To have value.

1050
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, big day for this company. Owner

1051
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: of nz ME, Oh sorry, owner of newstalk zib in

1052
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: the eral. The NZME has reported results today. Actually not

1053
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: doing too badly considering how badly every other media company

1054
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: is doing. Just spent a lot of money, spent a

1055
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: lot of money on lawyers trying to stop that board takeover. Anyway,

1056
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: we'll talk to the boss after six o'clock about that.

1057
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: The huddle standing by right now. It's twenty five away

1058
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: from sex.

1059
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,479
Speaker 3: Now together, duplicy Ellen.

1060
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: An entire class of Lincoln University students are being retested

1061
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: because it is suspected that some of them usday I

1062
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: to cheat. More than one hundred students are now going

1063
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: to have to orally explain the code that they wrote

1064
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 2: for their exam to the professor to ensure that they

1065
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 2: understand their work. Chad Hewitt is the provost professor at

1066
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: Lincoln University in christ Church and with US now high Chad, Hello,

1067
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 2: out of the one hundred, how many students are suspected

1068
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: of using AI?

1069
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 21: I'm not sure about that. The academic canvolve do it.

1070
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 21: The course has just identified a high number of suspected

1071
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 21: cases As a consequence, the easiest thing to do is

1072
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 21: to bring the students in and to ask them questions.

1073
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: Is it fair to make the whole class reset it

1074
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: rather than just the ones you guys.

1075
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 21: Suspect Well, I think the challenge is to get a

1076
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 21: normative understanding of the understanding of the assignment, the mechanisms

1077
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 21: by which the students wrote the code. I think it's

1078
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 21: not an onerous task to ask the students' questions.

1079
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: Okay, should this not have been how you tested them

1080
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: in the first place with oral exams?

1081
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 13: No?

1082
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 21: In this instance, for fintech, they're very interested in the

1083
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 21: student's ability to write code. We won't know how the

1084
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 21: students undertake the work, so usually you would do that.

1085
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 21: The students were very clearly identified that the desire was

1086
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 21: to understand their work and how they wrote the code,

1087
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 21: with the expectation that some students would make mistakes and

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00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 21: therefore you learn through those mistakes. In this case, there

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Speaker 21: were a very large number of students that indicated a

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Speaker 21: high level of proficiency, which is unexpected.

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Speaker 2: So okay, let me just try to understand what you

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00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: just said. So, if it was the case that only

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00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: a few students had cheated, you'd let it slide, But

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Speaker 2: because lots of them cheated, you're not going to let

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Speaker 2: it slide.

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Speaker 21: No, we would not let it slide. The challenge, of

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Speaker 21: course is finding out and being able to detect the

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Speaker 21: use of generative artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 2: But come on, I mean, the thing is, if kids

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Speaker 2: are using computers, every single one of them has the

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Speaker 2: option at least of cheating. So should we not, as universities,

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00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: be moving to using oral exams more. I mean, sure,

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Speaker 2: get them to write the code, but then make the

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Speaker 2: oral exam part of it in order to get around

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Speaker 2: the AI.

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Speaker 21: Well, that may be a mechanism that we employ in

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Speaker 21: the future. But of course, this is a course of

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00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 21: one hundred and twenty students, and you do try and

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00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 21: identify things that will allow you to measure the performance

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Speaker 21: of the course through simple terms. Obviously, in this case,

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Speaker 21: resetting all of the students is an unexpected change of events,

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Speaker 21: but it's better than actually turning them into the productor

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Speaker 21: and having an investigation occur.

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Speaker 2: So the problem is basically that when you have this

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Speaker 2: many students, it's just too hard to go through the

1116
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: whole kerfuffle of oral exams. Yeah.

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00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 3: No, the oral.

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00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 21: Exams will give you a lesson in terms of some material,

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Speaker 21: but it's not actually what we're trying to test. We

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Speaker 21: want to know how the students think and code, so

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Speaker 21: having them actually do and perform the task is critical.

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Speaker 2: In terms of no, Chad, I think you misunderstand me.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you replace one with the other.

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Speaker 2: I just think in the age of AI, we're going

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Speaker 2: to have do, aren't we, With everything moved towards getting

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00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: the kids right in front of you, explaining that they

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00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: understand it, whatever the subject.

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Speaker 21: Possibly, I think there are instances where the assessments can

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Speaker 21: be focused where we allow AI use and then we

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Speaker 21: expect the students to criticize it. There are other instances

1131
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 21: where we allow the AI use but for it to

1132
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Speaker 21: be clearly articulated and declared. In this case, the students

1133
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 21: were expected to use their own brain.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Chad, thanks very much, appreciate it. Chad Hewitt, who's

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Speaker 2: the provost professor at Lincoln University.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your.

1137
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Speaker 2: One of a Kind, added me this evening we have

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Speaker 2: Craig rinny c to you economist and the legot of

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Speaker 2: infrastructure New Zealand. Hell, are you too, Craig? Do you

1140
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: use the AI?

1141
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Speaker 22: I try not to.

1142
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Speaker 18: Occasionally I do, but generally speaking it's not something that

1143
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Speaker 18: really works for me.

1144
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Speaker 4: Why not.

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Speaker 18: I'm dealing with complicated data sets and there's a consequence.

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Speaker 18: It's really hard to get the AI to work that way.

1147
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 18: And see, Frank, I'm quite old fashioned. I still own

1148
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 18: a calculator. I still prefer to do it that way

1149
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:31,479
Speaker 18: rather than.

1150
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: Just for like, you know, I've got I've got I

1151
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: don't know, potato and three carrots in a tender tuna.

1152
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: What should I make for dinner? You don't even use

1153
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: it for that?

1154
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Speaker 18: At that point I'd pick up deliver easy and get

1155
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 18: that to solve the problem. But I think it's a

1156
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Speaker 18: really interesting question from your previous interview, which is how

1157
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 18: you stop students from using AI to answer the question

1158
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 18: about being asked about how you didn't use AI. You

1159
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 18: know in your previous exam. It's everywhere, and it's really

1160
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Speaker 18: hard to get people, even in an oral exam, to

1161
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Speaker 18: stop them from learning via AI the thing that they

1162
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Speaker 18: should have learned in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 6: Nick?

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Speaker 4: Look?

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Speaker 2: Are you there?

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Speaker 22: I wondered, why, Oh, yes, sir, I am sorry.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, did you have any people would like that? Okay? Arry? I.

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Speaker 22: I thought your interview was very interesting because you were

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Speaker 22: thinking ahead here there are asking questions about how we

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Speaker 22: deal with this in the future, and I just don't

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Speaker 22: think I think it's that the the academic chaps, you know,

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Speaker 22: he was struggling with that, and I think that's representative

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Speaker 22: of society, like we are going to have to jump

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Speaker 22: ahead and consider, well, if everybody's doing this, how do

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Speaker 22: we measure their knowledge and their understanding in the future.

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Speaker 22: I thought the oral test was quite a good one,

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Speaker 22: you know, for this particular assessment. And you know, the

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Speaker 22: other question that sort of came into my mind as

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Speaker 22: I listened to your questioning was how are we going

1181
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 22: to look back at this in three or five years time.

1182
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Speaker 22: Are we going to look back and go, yeah, I

1183
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 22: know we're on the right track sticking to our guns,

1184
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 22: thinking that everybody had to be retested or is the

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Speaker 22: world just going to have moved on because of AI

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Speaker 22: and the way everybody just uses it without even thinking?

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Speaker 22: So you know what the problem?

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Speaker 2: But was it obvious to you what the problem is?

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Speaker 12: Nick?

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Speaker 2: The problem for universities is that they try to pump

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00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 2: kids out nowadays, just like it's just like a sausage

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00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 2: factory eight Like a kid goes in and they come

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Speaker 2: up with a degree. And so if you have to

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Speaker 2: slow that process down and test one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: kids in every single class, verbally, you're not going to

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Speaker 2: be able to make as much money. There's your problem.

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Speaker 22: Well, I just think that probably they're quite rigid in

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Speaker 22: the way they've decided, you know, and they want to

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Speaker 22: assess students. And that's what I was picking up is

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Speaker 22: that they just shiver as we don't have another way

1201
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Speaker 22: of doing this, and we can't deviate. Now I understand

1202
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Speaker 22: that from practical a practical perspective, I just think we're

1203
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Speaker 22: going to have to evolve very quickly. Do you use method.

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Speaker 2: Nick?

1205
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 22: Sorry?

1206
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Speaker 3: What was that?

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Speaker 2: Do you use ai?

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Speaker 22: Does the Pope wear a little red hat? Of course?

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 2: What useful?

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Speaker 22: I use it for everything, interestingly, a lot of generating thought,

1212
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 22: you know, thought for me, you know, like, oh, I've

1213
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 22: got a question about such and such and it might

1214
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 22: be a work related topic or it might not be,

1215
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 22: and it can give me immediately because it knows men.

1216
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 22: Because I educate it. It knows exactly the direction I want.

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Speaker 2: To go off, Like, give you an example, what kind

1218
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: of existential questions are you asking it?

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00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 22: Well, okay, let me think you know what, what are

1221
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 22: some interesting infrastructure delivery models in Scandinavia?

1222
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: And even I'm so sorry for AI. AI hates you.

1223
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: AI wishes that you were not a customer. Hey, it's

1224
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: much more interested than what I'm doing, which is sending

1225
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: my kids photo Craig, do you see that you're being

1226
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: left behind? You being it on with it?

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Speaker 18: It's just I don't know. When we talk about the university,

1228
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 18: I wouldn't want us to lose the currency of the

1229
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 18: qualifications that we have. Yes, I wouldn't want us to

1230
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 18: lose you know.

1231
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Speaker 3: You know, we go there.

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Speaker 18: We give these institutions the ability to award people with

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Speaker 18: degrees and certificates that allow them to earn lots more

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Speaker 18: money to make, you know, decisions for other people. You know,

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Speaker 18: AI is really important. Clearly, we've got to design you know,

1236
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 18: institutions around you know, the different environment in which they're

1237
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 18: going to be in and we're all going to be

1238
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 18: in in the future. But it's really important that individuals

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00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 18: when they leave university have the knowledge and the skills

1240
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Speaker 18: regardless of AI that you know, and it's really important

1241
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Speaker 18: that we don't lose.

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Speaker 3: That in thinking about the act.

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Speaker 18: That really worries me.

1244
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Speaker 2: It may be something close to an existential crisis for

1245
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: our universities. Actually, I guys will take a break, come

1246
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: back shortly quarter.

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Speaker 1: Two the huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, the

1248
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: global leader in luxury real estate.

1249
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Speaker 2: Right, you're back of the huddle, Craig really and Nick

1250
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: leagez Right, I'm going to start with you Craig, because

1251
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: I know Nick is going to give us a spray

1252
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: on this four year terms yes or no.

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Speaker 18: It's a yes from me. It's the other center. It

1254
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Speaker 18: really is having worked in government, having worked in opposition,

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00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 18: three years is just too short. By the time you

1256
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 18: get an election out of the way, by the time

1257
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Speaker 18: you get through coalition negotiations, you basically have eighteen months

1258
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Speaker 18: of governing the country. In the real world, it doesn't

1259
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 18: lead to good long term government.

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Speaker 2: With Craig, with or without Safeguard's extra checks though, oh.

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Speaker 18: No, absolutely according't you know. We absolutely need more safeguards.

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Speaker 18: We absolutely need more opportunities to hold ministers, so I

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00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 18: would spend more time in the House. We have a

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00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 18: really good select committee process, but we ignore the results

1265
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 18: of too many select committee processes. We don't spend long

1266
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 18: enough debating bills and look at them properly in the House,

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Speaker 18: and we use urgency far too often. Both parties have

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01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 18: used urgency far too often. So I think we need

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Speaker 18: to If you're going to have a four year term,

1270
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Speaker 18: you're going to have to slow the house down and

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Speaker 18: make better laws. But it's it's so. I think it

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Speaker 18: would provide so much more stable government, and it would

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Speaker 18: provide much better planning for delivering the infrastructure and the

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Speaker 18: things we all need.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, Nick, I think that probably is what you think.

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Speaker 22: Yes, well, I was going to say, I don't need

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01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 22: to speak. Craig has said everything that that I believe

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Speaker 22: on the subject. Look, either, I know that you've had

1279
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Speaker 22: a go at it, and I understand your reasons why.

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Speaker 22: But if New Zealand wants different results, if we want

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Speaker 22: to be more productive, if we want to get better

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01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 22: value out of our public services and our infrastructure, we've

1283
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 22: got to do some things differently. And giving a governing

1284
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 22: party or parties longer periods to actually get their policy

1285
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Speaker 22: agenda through and make things work. Seems to me to

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01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 22: be a pretty good attempt at doing that. And why

1287
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 22: is this country? You know, we talk about your program

1288
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 22: every day. You talk about things that are wrong, and

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Speaker 22: I agree with you on much of it. But here's

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Speaker 22: the way. Here's an actual solution that might improve the

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01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 22: way we govern. And yes, like Craig, I think urgency

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Speaker 22: is used far too often. We've got to have a

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01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 22: much higher bar. We've got a strength in our select

1294
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 22: committees so they actually properly scrutinize and listened to when

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Speaker 22: they do scrutinize and come up with amendments to legislation.

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Speaker 22: And we've got to allow parties to actually get an

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Speaker 22: agenda lodged and humming at the moment. And I take

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Speaker 22: your point. You don't get to change a four year

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Speaker 22: term it. You've got to wait to vote the party out.

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01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 22: But also you get to see the cut of their

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Speaker 22: jib and you might give them a second term left

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Speaker 22: oft them.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing though, Look I don't mind it, but

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Speaker 2: all we talk about, well I do mind it. Without

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Speaker 2: the safeguards. All we're talking about is a four year term.

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Speaker 2: But no one because it's not sexy to talk about

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Speaker 2: all the other stuff that you need to do, like

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Speaker 2: the changes you need to do at Select Committee. And

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Speaker 2: but that's so fundamental. And so do you think that

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Speaker 2: if we went to a referendum and we were like

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, do you want a four year term? Would

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Speaker 2: we also have all of that stuff baked in so

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Speaker 2: that we could know that it would be safe.

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Speaker 22: Well, I think there needs to be a political consensus

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Speaker 22: around that, and in a sense we have to safeguard

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Speaker 22: those things that go along with it because and I

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Speaker 22: don't know how you're sabbath that. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 22: want to see that question on the referendum voting paper.

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Speaker 22: But we do have to have it baked in, don't we.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we totally totally do, really quickly. What do you think,

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Speaker 2: Craig about the TV and Z payoffering? You like this idea?

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Speaker 18: I haven't really seen it as the pad TV offer.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 18: I'm not a big fan of peds TV, particularly for

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Speaker 18: where there's big sporting events. It's one of the few

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Speaker 18: times the country can actually get together and free.

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Speaker 2: Do you like football?

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Speaker 18: By the way, I'm not actually a big giant fun

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Speaker 18: of sport generally, but in terms of really, I'm not

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Speaker 18: as a new customer needed fun, you know, it's just

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Speaker 18: a permanent exercise and disappointment.

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Speaker 17: But in terms of the in terms of the in

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Speaker 17: terms of what I think.

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Speaker 18: The more opportunities we can actually use TV in the

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Speaker 18: media to actually come together rather than making an excusive

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Speaker 18: and holding and stopping some people from viewing it, that

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Speaker 18: to me is a much better way than than actually,

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Speaker 18: you know, putting up tea walls.

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Speaker 22: What about you, neck, Well, I think if the if

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Speaker 22: the underlying TV channel is no longer financial, you've got

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Speaker 22: to look at ways to generate revenue to keep it going.

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Speaker 22: But I agree with Craig's sentiment actually in terms of

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Speaker 22: we do need free to wear big sporting matches available

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Speaker 22: for everybody, but actually we've also got to have you know,

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Speaker 22: we know that our current media structures are waning in place,

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Speaker 22: than we need to look their ways to keep them going.

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Speaker 22: And that does mean revenue generation for these sort of things.

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Speaker 22: So it might be a reality.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is the all whites games are free,

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Speaker 2: so we'll have our games. I don't know if i'd

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Speaker 2: call them big, but we will have them guys. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: Craig Rennie Nick Leggett. I'll huddle this evening eight away

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Speaker 2: from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: Hither I use AI to describe photos for me because

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Speaker 2: I'm blind. That's quite a good way of using it, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't this just show that these types of jobs will

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Speaker 2: be obsolete soon? With AI? Teach the kids to be

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Speaker 2: tradees or Sparky's or engineers, as these will be the

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Speaker 2: people that actually build something that the AI uses. Thoughts, Well,

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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? I think we all

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Speaker 2: need to accept that there will be jobs that will

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Speaker 2: be will become non existent or simply you won't need

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Speaker 2: as many people to be doing things right you simply

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Speaker 2: what like, for example, think about do you use olive?

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Speaker 2: I love olive Olive? Do you use olive? Olive? Oliver

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Speaker 2: is the chat assistant with Woolworths. So when you get

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Speaker 2: your you order your grocery. I love all Worth order

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Speaker 2: my groceries online and then they deliver it to my

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Speaker 2: door and then they've forgotten to put the beer in

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Speaker 2: because somebody's not I don't know why. But they didn't,

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Speaker 2: and so I just talked to Olive us just like, oh,

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Speaker 2: head up, Olive. I was like, Olivia didn't need a refund.

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Speaker 2: And then Olive prompts you, it's like, what's the name,

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Speaker 2: what's your number? But not even put that in? What's

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Speaker 2: your emailogies? Put that in? What number? What on the

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Speaker 2: in voice? You put that in? How many didn't you

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Speaker 2: get one? And you're done and you don't have to

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Speaker 2: talk to anybody. That's somebody's job olives taken because there

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Speaker 2: would have been somebody before who would have answered the

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Speaker 2: phone and done that. So absolutely there'll be jobs that

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Speaker 2: are gone, right, but I think most of our jobs

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Speaker 2: will still exist. The vast majority of our jobs will

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Speaker 2: still exist. We'll just have fewer of them. But it's

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Speaker 2: probably not a bad idea to be training the kids.

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Speaker 2: The kids be doing the old hands on stuff, you know,

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Speaker 2: because AI is hardly going to be doing your electrical

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Speaker 2: work for a little while. And by the way, did

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Speaker 2: you see the bruise on Donald Trump's hand, Because there's

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Speaker 2: been a bruise on Donald Trump's hand for a week while,

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Speaker 2: but it's now massive. Should go and have a look.

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Speaker 2: That's an enormous bruise. They this was seen at the

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Speaker 2: Executive Ordering Order sign on Monday and then later in

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Speaker 2: the day with the meeting of the South Korean President.

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Speaker 2: They're still putting it down to the aspirins and the handshaking,

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Speaker 2: and maybe it works. I don't really I haven't. I

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Speaker 2: haven't been on the aspirins. I haven't done that many

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Speaker 2: handshakes and none of us have, so maybe it's plausible.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it does look rather large. Now,

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Speaker 2: just really quickly, can I just say I'm very disappointed

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Speaker 2: in Auckland Council because I thought Auckland Council was doing

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Speaker 2: an okay job managing the money because their rates rises

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01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: were so low. It was like five point eight percent

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Speaker 2: or something ridiculously low. But Auckland Council has been busted

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Speaker 2: being just as frivolous as Tory in Wellington. They have

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Speaker 2: pot up about a quarter of a million dollars worth

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Speaker 2: of fairy lights at Silo Park. How do you spend

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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars on fairy lights? What

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Speaker 2: are you doing? Anyway? Well, we all need to go

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Speaker 2: down to Silo Park and Auckland now go and gaze

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Speaker 2: at it because geez were paid a lot for it.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how many people paid? Do you know

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Speaker 2: how many households? How many households rates were used to

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Speaker 2: pay for those fairy lights? Sixty That's ridiculous, isn't it. Disappointed?

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Speaker 2: Disappointed in New Auckland Council sort it out. Michael Boggs,

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Speaker 2: Boss of ME with us next on the results reported

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Speaker 2: to the inzt X today were.

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Speaker 1: Person may keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: The business hour with Heather due for cl ands for

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Speaker 1: Trusted Home Insurance Solutions NEWSTALKSTB.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome. Coming up in the next hour, Assault

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Speaker 2: Funds is going to talk us through the report that

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Speaker 2: we've never had this much foreign interest in buying New

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Speaker 2: Zealand businesses. Jamie McKay will talk us through the updated

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Speaker 2: sale price for Fonterra and Indo Brady will do the

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Speaker 2: UK for US. Seven past six now, media company enz

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Speaker 2: Me has revealed it spent five million dollars on restructuring

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Speaker 2: and fighting off a bid to take over control of

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Speaker 2: the company. The company which owns The Herald, and of

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Speaker 2: course ourselves in the newstalk ZEDB made a four hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars loss for the first half year half of

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Speaker 2: the year, down from one point nine million dollar profit

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Speaker 2: in the previous year. It was the one off costs

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Speaker 2: of just over five million dollars that drag the results

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Speaker 2: into the red. Michael Bogs is the chief executive High

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Speaker 2: Good Afternoons, So if you take out the one offs,

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Speaker 2: then Insig's actually been doing really well at a time

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Speaker 2: when I can't think of any other media company that

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Speaker 2: has been doing well. How are you doing it well?

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Speaker 10: I think you're exactly right. You know, we're really pleased

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Speaker 10: from an underlying perspective to have delivered a really strong

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Speaker 10: result Ebit Dhara improvement year on year, and it is

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Speaker 10: a tough economic environment. The good news is we are

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Speaker 10: seeing some of the large businesses back advertising again, so

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Speaker 10: they're going, actually, we want to start spending on brand again.

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Speaker 10: It's the small business, small medium businesses that really are

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Speaker 10: doing it tough.

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Speaker 2: So why are the big guys doing okay?

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Speaker 10: I think they're just getting ahead of it. They can

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 10: see that things will get better. They're like they've got

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Speaker 10: the bigger budgets and they've really come into radio and

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Speaker 10: into print, which has been really good to.

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Speaker 2: See do you think they're right? Are we through the

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Speaker 2: worst of it?

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Speaker 10: Well, if you listen to the commentators, even in the

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Speaker 10: last couple of days, seems to be people are seeing

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Speaker 10: green shoots. But sadly, I've been saying that for the

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Speaker 10: last year and every one of our results announcements. So

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Speaker 10: in our pack today we did actually.

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Speaker 3: Put it out.

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Speaker 2: How do you know then that this time isn't a

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Speaker 2: full storm?

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Speaker 10: And so this time we've not done any forecast based

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Speaker 10: on green shoots. All of our guidance has been based

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Speaker 10: on the economy as we see it today, and that's

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Speaker 10: an improvement on last year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's going on with revenue radio? I see the

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Speaker 2: revenues up.

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Speaker 10: Yes, indeed, so for the first time and some time,

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Speaker 10: we've seen terrestrial radio increasing as well as digital radio increasing.

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Speaker 10: We've seen our overall revenue market share come back to

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Speaker 10: where it has been previously, and we're doing some really

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Speaker 10: neat things around audience. You'll hate to hear this, but

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Speaker 10: you know I heart Country New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I do hate that at all. Why would I hate

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Speaker 2: I don't know you, no, I know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: You're looking at me and you're going I'm too cool

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Speaker 2: to like country.

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Speaker 12: That was it?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, I appreciate that. Excellent and yet I'm not

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Speaker 2: that cool at all. Now tell me how much did

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Speaker 2: you spend on the lawyers and stuff for fighting off

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Speaker 2: the board takeover bit?

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Speaker 10: Well, it was a small portion of our one off.

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Speaker 10: So you will have seen during the period.

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Speaker 2: Read at the start like it was millions.

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Speaker 10: It's exactly right, that's right. So some people have misreported

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Speaker 10: that today, actually that there was five million dollars of

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Speaker 10: one off. The social with that, I can tell you

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Speaker 10: is less than a million dollars, and it's million dollars

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Speaker 10: we prefer not to spend obviously, So without that five

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Speaker 10: million dollars of one off, which included you know, well,

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Speaker 10: I think you know, it brought some clarity to the

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Speaker 10: business being changed at the board. Our shareholders obviously wanted change,

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Speaker 10: and it's working really well for us today.

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Speaker 2: That the shareholders who are behind that may regret that

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Speaker 2: given that they now realize the cost of it.

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Speaker 10: Oh look, I can't talk for them, because I would.

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of money to have squandered on

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Speaker 2: something like that. Tell me how this editorial board is

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Speaker 2: going to work.

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Speaker 10: Well, A great news is I think Murray Kirknis, who

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Speaker 10: runs our newsroom here. He's been intimately involved in designing

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Speaker 10: the charter of the editorial Board, as has our board.

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Speaker 10: It reports to the board as in an advisory fashion.

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Speaker 10: It has no executive influence as such. And the great

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Speaker 10: news is that Murray and I are able to be

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Speaker 10: part of those meetings while we don't specifically sit on

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Speaker 10: the board. So I think it's a really good way

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Speaker 10: to bring different perspectives, different voices.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like can tell me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 2: But it sounds like what they're going to be doing

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Speaker 2: is basically just listening to the radio, reading the papers,

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Speaker 2: and then coming at you and saying, look, we think

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Speaker 2: that maybe this is not working or that is working.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of informal like that.

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01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 10: I think it is. But they'll, I think they'll take

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01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 10: a much more long titudor review of what have we

1521
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 10: been talking about for the last three years, five years,

1522
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 10: ten years? Are we covering topics good enough?

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01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 6: Right?

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01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: So they may come to you and say, hey, this

1525
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: is a really big issue that you are not covering

1526
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: it all and you should.

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01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 10: Be absolutely And you know, I think it can be

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01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 10: quite easy at times. Sometimes we can be focused on

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01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 10: the here and now. So if you've got some people

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01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 10: standing back with a little more time coming and giving advice,

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01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 10: so I think that's really helpful.

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01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 2: Is this a political leaning thing?

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01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 10: The Charter and I'm not sure if you had a

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01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 10: chance to read it says it must be from diverse

1536
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 10: backgrounds and that's political spectrum as well.

1537
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 2: What I mean is is it possible that for a

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01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 2: long time, I think the criticism has been fair that

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01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: many media outlets, and I'm not going to name anybody,

1540
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 2: but that many media outlets have allowed themselves to become

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01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 2: perhaps overly caught up in what we would consider to

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01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: be quite left wing views or woke views. Some would say,

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01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 2: is it possible that they will come to you and say,

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01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 2: you know, hey, you guys are going down this particular

1545
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 2: path and that's not a good path to go down,

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01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 2: or balance it out.

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01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think they could definitely give some perspectives of

1548
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 10: what we're covering, on what we're not and are we

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01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 10: being balanced and everything. But I think the other thing

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01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 10: is you will have seen from some of the recent

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01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 10: research by Curia that says we are the most balanced

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01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 10: of all media, and so that's something we should hold

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01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 10: our heads proud with Yeah.

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01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now what about the situation with herold, Now, how's

1555
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 2: that going?

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01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 10: He pleased with it, very pleased with it. So we're

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01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,520
Speaker 10: seeing really strong take up not only on our own platforms,

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01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 10: but certainly externally as well. So obviously on the Herald

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01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 10: website you can see it a little harder to see

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01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 10: on the Herald app, and we'd like to improve that experience.

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01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 2: Actually that's a good point.

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01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 10: But we're seeing huge take up on YouTube for example.

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01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 10: Are you so many people sitting at home?

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01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 2: What are people doing? Are they going back and watching

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01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 2: the interviews again.

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01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 10: They are, or even watching it live.

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01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 2: How many people have you got sitting down over their

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01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 2: breakfast watching it on their laptop?

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Speaker 10: I think you would see there would be many, many thousands.

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Speaker 2: Are you being deliver really a bit vague?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I am confidential?

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01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 11: Fair enough?

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01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 2: Okay, where are we at? By the way, with the

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01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 2: Google and the Facebook guys paying.

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01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 10: For news, there's nothing more we're doing at the moment.

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Speaker 18: You know.

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Speaker 10: I think the New Zealand government's very focused on what's

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01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 10: happening in Australia and likely to be a fast follower.

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01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll have to first watch what they do.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to do anything until then, and then

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Speaker 2: we might follow them very quickly.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, Boxy, tell me when you think everybody's going

1585
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 2: to feel better about the economy. Like it's one thing

1586
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 2: to talk about green shoots and and things turning around

1587
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: in the big advertisers coming in, but what about the

1588
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 2: average guy out there? When is he going to feel better?

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01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 10: Maybe you you get more commentators in here than I

1590
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 10: do every day to talk about that. You know, we've

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01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 10: been playing a part of our role in the last

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01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 10: few months. We've written over or just under sorry, five

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01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 10: hundred stories titled on the app trying to tell good

1594
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 10: news stories about what's happening in business.

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Speaker 18: Is it working?

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01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 10: And I think people are going Actually those are really

1597
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 10: good stories. We've seen communities engaging in them and people

1598
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 10: going we just like more of that things.

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Speaker 2: Boxy, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time. Thank you so much. Bog's chief executive have

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Speaker 2: of Australia this afternoon, is that Trump is demanding countries

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Speaker 2: back down on tech regulation or he's going to slap

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Speaker 2: them with big new tariffs. And that is obviously aimed

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Speaker 2: Drive eighteen past six and Jamie mckaye, Host of the

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Speaker 2: Countries with us Helo Jamie Good. So, Federated farmers like

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Speaker 2: the fact that the Reserve banks having a look at

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Speaker 2: those those bank capital rules.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, I think Adrian Or's for

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01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,560
Speaker 6: Old Adrian, He's right in the firing line at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Isn't he?

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01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 6: He was responsible for this one or it certainly happened

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01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,799
Speaker 6: under his watch that banks had to require enough capital

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01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 6: to withstand a one and two hundred year shock. And

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 6: I guess the double whammy for the likes of the

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01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 6: farmers was they had to hold twice The banks had

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01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 6: to hold twice as much capital for rural lending as

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 6: they did for residential on heather. The real irony and

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01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,879
Speaker 6: that at the moment is Auckland and Wellington house prices

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01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:10,759
Speaker 6: fall and probably becoming risky investments compared to farm prices

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01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 6: that are going up. So yeah, the Federated Farmer's banking

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01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 6: guy Mark Hooper has taken over from Richard McIntyre, both Calcock.

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01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 6: He's both done a really good job on this. The

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01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 6: FEDS have in fact, and they're glad that they've got

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01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 6: this through or it's going to be looked at. Look.

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01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,799
Speaker 6: I think the biggest surprise for me, Heather, was yesterday

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01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 6: morning when the PM was talking to Mike Hosking and

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01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 6: he was, you know, putting his ore or putting a

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01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 6: spanner in the works. Almost there, And he's on my

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01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 6: show tomorrow. I'm going to ask him this. Did he

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01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 6: did he overstep the mark? I mean, good on him.

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01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 6: I think he's exactly right. But it's meant to be

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01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 6: the Reserve Bank's meant to be an independent entity. And

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01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 6: maybe the Prime Minister got into their air and shoot

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01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 6: at big time.

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Speaker 4: Who knows?

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01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 2: Who knows? How good is this price looking now that

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 2: the Bager Group have settled.

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Speaker 6: What about three point eight four billion, which is a

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01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 6: hell of a lot of money. It's now four point

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01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 6: to two billion. I heard you talking about it. I

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01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 6: think between four and five, Heather. Yeah, so they got

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01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 6: the licenses. They agreed on that one. It's great. The

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01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 6: Fonterra is still targeting, by the way, a capital return

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Speaker 6: of two dollars per share for the farmer shareholders. So

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01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 6: of that four point two billion, three point two billion

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 6: of it will be a capital distribution, providing, of course,

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01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 6: the farmer shareholders vote for it, and turkeys don't vote

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01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 6: for an early Christmas and the fight. That's not a

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01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 6: good example, and the farmers will be thinking, I'm calling

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01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 6: them turkeys there, but complete, the complete, the opposite. This

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01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,440
Speaker 6: is Christmas for the farmers. And I know that theoretically

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01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 6: some of them are saying, look, we should be keeping

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01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 6: our consumer brands. But you'd have to back Miles Hurrel,

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01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 6: Peter McBride and the team at Fonterra. They're doing a

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Speaker 6: pretty good job. This three point two billion, A lot

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01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 6: of it will go to paying down debt. Remember that

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Speaker 6: even though the shares were trading up to six bucks today,

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01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 6: some of those farmers bought shares six or seven or

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01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 6: even eight dollars when they picked. So they're going to

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01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 6: pay down a bit of debt. But also I think

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01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 6: there's a lot of pent up capital expenditure that needs

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01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 6: to happen on farms, and I'm talking about replacement tractors,

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01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 6: maybe capital fertilizer. You combine that with lower interest rates

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Speaker 6: and better returns, and I think this farming season twenty

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01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 6: five twenty six is going.

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01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 4: To be a ripper.

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01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 2: Have you figured out how much you're going to get?

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01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 6: Well, you mean me a dairy farmer. Well, Heather, I'll

1695
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 6: let you in on a wee secret. I'm in an

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01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 6: equity partnershops, so I'm only one vote in six back

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01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 6: in the day, and I voted the other way, but

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01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 6: you've got to go with majority. We sold our Fonterra

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01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 6: shares and we supply Open Country, and honestly, Open Country

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01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 6: a very good company to supply as well watertime.

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Speaker 2: Jamie, thank you very much, appreciate it. Jamie mckaye, host

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01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 2: of the Country. Hither this is read Michael Boggs. It

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Speaker 2: was on just before, Heather. I agree that editorial is

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01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:12,520
Speaker 2: generally fair and balanced at endzied me. However, the cartoonists

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01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 2: are very biased. They never send up the left. Now, James,

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01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to agree with you or that. I

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01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 2: have been noticing this, and this is not just Enzi

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01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 2: me cartoonist, it's actually cartoonists across the board. I've noticed

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01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 2: that that every time I look at it, I go, oh,

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01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 2: that's some that's an interesting take. It's not always wrong.

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01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's wrong. It just I just look

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01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 2: at it and go, it's interesting take. Yeah, where's the

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01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 2: other or no, no, no other side.

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01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 4: But but.

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01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 2: When I say that, you shouldn't trust me on this

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01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 2: because I don't look at the cartoons very often anymore,

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01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 2: do you? I mean, like, who looks at cartoons nowadays?

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01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 2: And I'm asking this genuinely, who actually looks at cartoons nowadays?

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01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 2: Only do they even do cartoons on the weekend papers

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01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: because those are the only papers that the work sends me. Now,

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01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 2: I don't get them a y the week they send

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01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 2: me the weekend ones to have a look at. I

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01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: never see a cartoon, and that's because I don't know.

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01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 2: Am I not looking for the cartoon? Am I not

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01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 2: interested in it? Have the days of cartoons passed by

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01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 2: in the digital age? When actually you don't need to

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01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 2: look at a drawn picture. You can look at I

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01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 2: don't know, the actual picture, like the actual picture of

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01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 2: what really happened. Very clever cartoonists, but they are always

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01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 2: quite left leaning, aren't they? And maybe maybe a little

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Speaker 2: bit of an anachronism six twenty three.

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Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: The Business Hour where the Heather, duperic Ellen and Mas

1734
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks that'd be hither.

1735
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: The problem with cartoons is we don't have Tremaine Scott

1736
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 2: and their ilk anymore. Heather, bring back Peter Bromhead. Very

1737
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 2: clever man, Yeah, nostalgia. By the way, Genesis reported it's

1738
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 2: profit up twenty nine percent, but the shares fell. Shares

1739
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: felt because the forward outlook is apparently quite disappointing, and

1740
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: it's disappointing because they've used up all their cheap carbon

1741
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 2: credits and they're gonna have to pay more for carbon,

1742
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: so it eats into the old profits and stuff like that. Also,

1743
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 2: so the CEO has expressed a hope that the government

1744
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 2: would resist calls for the four big generated retailers the

1745
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 2: gentailors to start running their generation and retail arms of

1746
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 2: separate businesses. I think he'll be okay. So I don't

1747
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: think this government's demonstrated an abbetite to do anything particularly difficult,

1748
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 2: so he should be fine. Six twenty six.

1749
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 3: Ever, Duper se Ellen, Okay, here's.

1750
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 2: Your Showbur's news. Snoop is in trouble. No, he doesn't

1751
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,719
Speaker 2: care because he's a gangster, but he's still in trouble.

1752
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: He said something a little bit of our eyebrow raising.

1753
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 2: When he was on the It's Giving podcast with his wife,

1754
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: talked a lot about fatherhood and about being a husband,

1755
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 2: and then he told the story about going to see

1756
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,879
Speaker 2: light Year. Now, light Year is the toy story prequel

1757
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 2: that came out a couple of years ago, and if

1758
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 2: you haven't heard of it, that's because it's bad now.

1759
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 2: He said he went to see it with his grandson

1760
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 2: and he felt a bit put off because he didn't

1761
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 2: know that there was going to be a lesbian couple

1762
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 2: in the film.

1763
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 3: And she had a baby. What a woman?

1764
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 23: Oh my grands in the middle of the movie, like,

1765
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 23: Papa flu how she have a baby with a woman?

1766
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,799
Speaker 3: Sheer woman? Uh, I just came and watching goddamn movie.

1767
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 3: Hey man, watch the movie. Uh uh.

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01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm scared to go to the movies. They're

1769
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 4: like y'all me in the military. I don't have an

1770
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 4: answer for it.

1771
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: Saying you're scared to go to the movies is probably

1772
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 2: a little bit of an overreaction, but yeah, look, it does.

1773
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 2: It does lead to some chet, doesn't It you're gonna

1774
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 2: have to You're gonna have to sit down and have

1775
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 2: that chat. That's definitely a chat. You palm that one

1776
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 2: off to the parents. You don't want to be doing

1777
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: that as a grandparent anyway. Snoop Dogg's real name. You

1778
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 2: want to know this one. Calvin called as our broadest junior.

1779
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 2: You learn something new er day, as he would say, yeah,

1780
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 2: there we go. I want it to be a gangster

1781
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 2: wants to Matt Goodson, Salt Funds is going to be

1782
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,560
Speaker 2: with us next to talk us through why it is

1783
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 2: that all the overseas people want to buy our stuff

1784
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 2: at the minute, and buy stuff, I mean businesses, news talks,

1785
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 2: try to get it.

1786
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,799
Speaker 4: You park it like it's hard. Park it like it's hard, park.

1787
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 3: It like it's crushing the numbers and getting the results.

1788
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: It's Heather d for Sea Ellen with the Business Hour

1789
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: and MAS for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks.

1790
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 3: That'd be.

1791
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 2: But Andy Brady's out of the UK for us in

1792
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 2: about ten minutes time. By the way, restaurant brands they've

1793
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 2: reported as well, not great for them. This is the

1794
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 2: lot that owns KFC normal normally during a recession, you

1795
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: think again, we start eating the old fast food doesn't

1796
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 2: appear to have happened this time, and normally New Zealand

1797
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 2: is the most successful market for them, but the sales

1798
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 2: have been flat, and that's even though they've opened six

1799
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 2: new stores. In just the last year, same store sales

1800
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: for the same store sales fell three point one percent.

1801
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 2: They reckon that it'll get better as the economy improves.

1802
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's probably a fair prediction for everybody.

1803
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 2: Twenty four away from seven now, we've apparently never had

1804
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 2: more overseas interest in buying New Zealand businesses. A survey

1805
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 2: of foreign investors by Simpson Gresson has found that forty

1806
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: nine percent them are considering investing in New Zealand next year.

1807
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 2: That's up from forty percent last year. Not much of

1808
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 2: a surprise considering we've seen about fifty takeover deals in

1809
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 2: the last year, including our Vida Sparks, data center, business

1810
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 2: and event Finder. Matt Goodson is Salt Funds Managements, managing

1811
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,839
Speaker 2: directories with us. Hey, Matt, evening, why are our businesses

1812
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:18,919
Speaker 2: so popular overseas?

1813
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 23: I think it's probably not too different to normal.

1814
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 4: Now.

1815
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 23: We've seen a lot of takeovers on the insie x,

1816
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 23: but some of them them have been local and as

1817
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 23: you say, some of them have gone to offshore.

1818
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: And so it does seem like it's slightly high at

1819
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 2: the moment, does it not. I mean, apparently we have

1820
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 2: we have had extra interest at the moment.

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01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 23: Now, we've certainly lost quite a few companies, especially at

1823
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 23: the small runes, and I think the tough economy has

1824
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 23: weighed on valuations there. And it's hard yards if you're

1825
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 23: not a big company in the indices that the passive

1826
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 23: funds have to buy. So that has possibly made a

1827
01:24:55,760 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 23: few of those smaller companies a bit vulnerable. And something

1828
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 23: happens all the time. But the burial warriors, there haven't

1829
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 23: been any new ones list.

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01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 4: No.

1831
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 23: Normally you lose some and then you gain some more. Yeah,

1832
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 23: but we just haven't been seeing the new ones.

1833
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 2: Why not?

1834
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 23: State of the economy. I think it's a global thing

1835
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 23: as well. A lot of private equity companies are holding

1836
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 23: on to firms that they would have exited by now.

1837
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 23: And also the fixed costs have been listed just keep

1838
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 23: creeping up, the compliance costs, the cut carbon disclosure requirements,

1839
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 23: et cetera, et cetera. And you know in the typical

1840
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 23: size for a Kiewe firm. Being a small economy is

1841
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 23: a bit smaller, so those fixed costs can really weigh

1842
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 23: on people who are considering it.

1843
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 2: Is this a case of them needing to send David

1844
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 2: Seymour and his team and to cut some red tape.

1845
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 23: I wouldn't do any harm a better economy. It would

1846
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 23: also help, yeah, And so look, you know, hopefully in

1847
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 23: the next twelve to eighteen months we will see some

1848
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 23: new listings, but right now at this minute, there aren't

1849
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 23: too many that I'm aware of.

1850
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 21: In the word work is.

1851
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 2: Part of the reason that the international buyers are interested,

1852
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,799
Speaker 2: because our businesses are actually presenting is quite a bargain

1853
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 2: at the minute.

1854
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 23: It's some are, some aren't. If you look at equity

1855
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 23: markets all around the world, what you see is the

1856
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 23: largest companies are really high valuations by and large at

1857
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 23: the moment, but a lot of smaller companies have been

1858
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 23: left behind, so S and P and the US all

1859
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 23: time record. But the average company is trading it perfectly

1860
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 23: bang on its average evaluation. You've seen that about here

1861
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 23: as well, So you know, I think it's just a

1862
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 23: case of where people can see an opportunity target whereas

1863
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,759
Speaker 23: some synergies I've been making a move.

1864
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 2: Now even find it. When we spoke to them earlier

1865
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 2: about the sales to Ticketek, they said, in order to

1866
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 2: be able to upsize and go global, they would need

1867
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 2: the likes of Ticketek to take them there. Why can't

1868
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:52,919
Speaker 2: they do it themselves?

1869
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 23: Kiwi companies I have had a long struggle going global.

1870
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 23: Many've tried, Yeah, not many have succeeded. Capital base, You're

1871
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 23: up against very deep, deep pocketed competitors, often, oversays, unless

1872
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 23: what you're doing has a real edge. So in other

1873
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 23: likes of Zero have succeeded, although chiefly in Australia and

1874
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 23: still really struggling in the US. But you know a

1875
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 23: lot of companies have tried and failed. Yeah, Or you

1876
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 23: really need a technical edge like Fisher and Pipal Healthcare

1877
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 23: of course, which is probably our poster child.

1878
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 4: Matt.

1879
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you. Thank you so much.

1880
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 2: Matt Goodson, Salt Funds Management, Managing Director. So some of

1881
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 2: the numbers behind it is that it seems to be

1882
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 2: post COVID.

1883
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 4: Well.

1884
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 2: Prior to COVID we were doing well, COVID slumped US,

1885
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 2: and then post COVID we're doing up well again. So

1886
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen we had deals worth about eight billion

1887
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 2: that fell back in twenty nineteen. That'll be when just

1888
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 2: Sinder started getting a clause into the place. Yes, I

1889
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 2: was being deliberately mean, I was in despite the text

1890
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 2: telling me to ease off. I just find I can't.

1891
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty it fell again, and that's because of COVID.

1892
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 2: So the deals fell back to about three billion. Then

1893
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 2: it bounced up again. Twenty twenty one deals hit ten billion,

1894
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: and then foul again fell again. Twenty twenty three it's

1895
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 2: down to about five billion, and since then it's been

1896
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 2: going up again. So it's definitely it's definitely on the up,

1897
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 2: twenty away.

1898
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 3: From seven due Allen.

1899
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 2: Now, the Democrats have been told in a memo to

1900
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 2: stop using woke language. They got this is post. They're

1901
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 2: loss with Kamala Harris Banks being thrashed by the Orange Boy.

1902
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 2: They got Third Way in third Way is a center

1903
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 2: left think tak tank, and third Way has accused the

1904
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,919
Speaker 2: Democrats of using an awful lot of words and phrases

1905
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 2: no ordinary person would ever dream of saying. They call

1906
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 2: it therapy speak, and they've given a list of Honestly,

1907
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know what half of this was if it

1908
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 2: wasn't that it was explained to me. They've instructed left

1909
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: wing politicians to stop using terms such as inseminated person

1910
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 2: instead of pregnant woman. That's right. This is nothing sexier

1911
01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 2: than being called an inseminated person. Awesome, You're going to

1912
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 2: be put out there with the herd, with Daisy the

1913
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 2: cow in a minute. They've also told them to stop

1914
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 2: using the phrase chest feeding for obvious reasons. You're numpties,

1915
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 2: it's breastfeeding. Official policy papers written by Joe Biden's administration

1916
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 2: referred to justice involved populations as opposed to prisoners. Justice

1917
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: involved populations as opposed to prisoners. Instead of just calling

1918
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,640
Speaker 2: them convicts or ex convicts, they were calling them previously

1919
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 2: incarcerated individuals. I mean, honestly. Third Way points out that

1920
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 2: prisoners were regularly described by Democrats as incarcerated people who

1921
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: were suffering from involuntary confinement. That is exactly what is

1922
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 2: going on. It's called a jail. When it came to race,

1923
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 2: the papers said that Democrats often used sociology buzzwords such

1924
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 2: as latin X. My I can't even say this word minratorized.

1925
01:29:58,360 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 2: I just have to make sure I've got all the

1926
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 2: Lisa's hold on minoritized, minoritized, minoritized communities. What is that minoritize?

1927
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 2: Is it a minority community but it's been minoritized by

1928
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 2: something else?

1929
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 4: Does that?

1930
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 2: Is that a relational thing? Anyway? And intersectionality I tend

1931
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 2: to agree terms to be avoided included privilege, othering, progressive stack,

1932
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 2: whatever the hell that is, body shaming, and safe space.

1933
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, hopefully things will get better for them in

1934
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 2: a minute if they stop doing that. Hands up. If

1935
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 2: you've got a beach house, no, actually, don't put it

1936
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 2: down immediately, or even a house near the sea. I

1937
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,560
Speaker 2: don't want to know that you've got it, because you

1938
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 2: might be in trouble. An economist reckons that if you

1939
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 2: own a host a house in what is known as

1940
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 2: a hazardous area, your house is probably over value to

1941
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 2: the tune of about thirty or forty percent. Now, if

1942
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:55,600
Speaker 2: you own a beach house, that's immediately immediately you go,

1943
01:30:55,760 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 2: oh that sucks. I went yay, because I've got my

1944
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Speaker 2: eyes on a beach house, but it's so bloody expensive.

1945
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 2: I'm only going to get it when I'm definitely at

1946
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 2: retirement age, and I thought, yeay, if I take forty

1947
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 2: percent of that, it's almost affordable. But no, probably not anyway.

1948
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Speaker 2: I'll explain why not in a minute. This is Belinda's story.

1949
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 2: She does research work on climate change risks. She's given

1950
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Speaker 2: a lecture, a Guesst lecture to Treasure recently. Treasury recently,

1951
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,759
Speaker 2: she says houses that are vulnerable to coastal erosional flooding

1952
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 2: or land slide. So that's basically anything near the sea

1953
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 2: or anything with a seaview are probably overvalued by about

1954
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 2: thirty to forty percent because we keep on with the

1955
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 2: belief that the government will bail people out if something

1956
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 2: bad happens, which is obviously what we still believe is

1957
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 2: going to happen. And as long as we do, those

1958
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 2: property values will continue to be mispriced. So when I

1959
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:42,719
Speaker 2: read that, I thought, oh yeah, coming from my place.

1960
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 2: I'm coming from my house. I take forty percent off

1961
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 2: and then it becomes affordable. But unfortunately, we still are

1962
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 2: continuing with this right, so we still do the thing

1963
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,640
Speaker 2: where the government is the insurer of last resorts. So

1964
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 2: as long as we continue with that, my dream beach

1965
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 2: house is still going to it will stay several several

1966
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 2: several several several millions, But heads up if you've got

1967
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 2: a beach house, because it could change on you sixteen

1968
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 2: away from seven.

1969
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Speaker 3: Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics.

1970
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business hours with Heather Duplicy, Ellen

1971
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:16,440
Speaker 1: Danmes for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions use talks.

1972
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Speaker 2: That'd be Oh, by the way, if you thought that

1973
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 2: I'm done with you after reading reading you that bit

1974
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 2: about previously incarcerated persons. That's in chest feeding and inseminated

1975
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 2: persons and so on and so on, just wait till

1976
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 2: I get so the children having to dental floss. We

1977
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 2: are not finished with the stupid ideas on this show.

1978
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,520
Speaker 2: Got another thirteen minutes to go into Brady UK correspondence

1979
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Speaker 2: with us Hello.

1980
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Speaker 11: Enda, talking of which here I am, how are you heither?

1981
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Speaker 2: You are the furthest thing from his stupid idea? Ender,

1982
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 2: Now talk to me about Nigel farranj speaking of how

1983
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 2: what are we expecting from his migration plans?

1984
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 11: So he says Labor's plan was done on the back

1985
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 11: of a fag packet to use his words, and he

1986
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 11: says he will today in the next couple of hours,

1987
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 11: said out a comprehensive plan from mass deportation of migrants

1988
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 11: and people who are not meant to be in the UK,

1989
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 11: people who are not legally allowed to be in the UK.

1990
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,799
Speaker 11: And he's hugely critical of Caer Starmer and his government.

1991
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 11: And it's costing an awful lot of money putting people

1992
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 11: up in hotels and b and b accommodation sixteen million

1993
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 11: dollars a day to the UK taxpayer. Now the dog

1994
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 11: days of August are normally when you won't see a

1995
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Speaker 11: politician in Westminster.

1996
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 3: For love nor money.

1997
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 11: Nothing will drag them back to the office. And it's

1998
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 11: quite telling that Forage is coming out today while everyone

1999
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 11: else is away. He clearly sees it as a political

2000
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 11: opportunity for him. People have had enough. I mean, I've

2001
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:42,759
Speaker 11: just driven back from Ireland all the way through Wales

2002
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 11: as soon as we got into English motorways yesterday. I've

2003
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 11: only been away ten days. Huge number of England flags,

2004
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 11: cross of Saint George everywhere. There's been a big upsurge

2005
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 11: in the last two weeks. Really, people are feeling very

2006
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 11: patriotic and I think a lot of people but are

2007
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 11: listening to Farage with him saying let's sort this out.

2008
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 2: So he does play things quite well. Does this mean

2009
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 2: what do you think that this means for how they're

2010
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 2: going to do in central government elections? Potentially?

2011
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 11: I think Reform will do really well. They're currently polling

2012
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 11: twenty five twenty six percent. Well, they've got to hold

2013
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 11: it for four years if he wants to become prime minister.

2014
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 11: That's the challenge. He's only got three other MPs. Reform

2015
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 11: is a party of four politicians. But he's not stupid

2016
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 11: and he knows that there is an appetite for change.

2017
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 11: People have had enough of Starmar already. It's it's a

2018
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 11: fascinating time. But look, if he wants to fulfill everything

2019
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 11: he's trying to do, he will have to take the

2020
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 11: UK out of the European Court of Human Rights on

2021
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 11: day one.

2022
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 2: Does reefs get rolled?

2023
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 11: This is interesting. Look, she's definitely got this budget coming

2024
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 11: in autumn, and I think if we don't start seeing

2025
01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 11: some growth, but like you just think the just keep

2026
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,560
Speaker 11: saying growth or we're waiting for growth. The key to

2027
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 11: Britain not having growth is directly linked to leaving the

2028
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 11: European Union and breaks it and join the dots up.

2029
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 11: If you know, we're in a very strange trading time

2030
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 11: globally now with Trump and tariffs and everything else, and

2031
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 11: the UK is weaker because it breaksit.

2032
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wonder if I mean the reason I

2033
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 2: asked you that question is I wonder if Reeves does

2034
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:27,679
Speaker 2: if Stamach can hold Reeves, and if Reeves gets rolled,

2035
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 2: isn't that such an obvious sign that everything's imploding. It

2036
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 2: makes you wonder whether Nigel Farage will really have to

2037
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,560
Speaker 2: hold these numbers four four years or whether they go

2038
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 2: to the park.

2039
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 11: I think I think if Reeves gets rolled, Starmer will

2040
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 11: ultimately have to go as well, because the two were

2041
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 11: inextricably linked, because he has back to her and you

2042
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 11: remember the other week when she cried in Parliament and

2043
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 11: it all looked very awkward. I think the two of

2044
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 11: them are in it together now. But there is no

2045
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 11: growth here. We have nine point two million adults not

2046
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 11: working and not in education or training, nine point two

2047
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:02,679
Speaker 11: million doing nothing.

2048
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's definitely demands for change. Hey, thank you

2049
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 2: very much and I really appreciate it. Endo Brady, UK

2050
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 2: correspondent By the way, Yeah, if you listen to Trump,

2051
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 2: but really, do us sound as if the putin Zelenski

2052
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 2: meeting is not gonna happen because has language.

2053
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 6: I mean the man.

2054
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 2: The man has no poker face. Ah, So you can

2055
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 2: sort of see how things are going just by by

2056
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:26,600
Speaker 2: how he's behaving. He says, Putin's dislike of Zelenski is

2057
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 2: what's holding up the meeting between the two of them.

2058
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:30,719
Speaker 2: He says he doesn't like him, as in Putin doesn't

2059
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 2: like Zelenski. I have people I don't like and I

2060
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 2: don't meet with them as in that's totally fine. So

2061
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 2: I think you can see this is not going to happen.

2062
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 2: Just as to whether he takes the slying down or

2063
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 2: gets crossed with Putin doesn't sound like he's terribly cross

2064
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 2: does it. Nine away from seven it's the.

2065
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 1: Heather Toople see Allan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

2066
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:52,679
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2067
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 2: All right, are you ready for us? Because we're not

2068
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 2: finished with stupid things? Six away from seven, So there

2069
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 2: is a piece that up on the news websites here

2070
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 2: in New Zealand today telling you that kids must floss

2071
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 2: their teeth. How young. Oh, we know kids should los

2072
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 2: the teth. Everybody should have lost their teeth. But there's

2073
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 2: a reasonable age which kids, you know, which age you

2074
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 2: start flossing at kid's teeth, like a kid should be

2075
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 2: able to dress themselves from the age of about three

2076
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 2: and a half, right, and a kid should you know,

2077
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 2: do we we standing up in the toilet from the

2078
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 2: age of two and a half three there's a reasonable age.

2079
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 2: So from what age should a child floss their teeth?

2080
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:31,600
Speaker 2: Six months? From the age of six months. Children need

2081
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 2: to floss their teeth at the point at which teeth

2082
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 2: are upped and touch each other, and you must do

2083
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 2: it or you're ruining your child's chances at life. Let

2084
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 2: me quote. You may think flossing is not worth the

2085
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 2: time or the trouble, especially for younger children who'll lose

2086
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 2: their baby teeth in a few years. Anyway, However, baby

2087
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,640
Speaker 2: teeth play a vice will role in how children's joelbones

2088
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 2: develop and how their faces appear. If you don't floss them,

2089
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 2: they're going to be ugly and losing baby teeth early

2090
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 2: due to the dentil decay that can arise from not flossing.

2091
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:03,639
Speaker 2: Can have several effects as a child that can change

2092
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 2: their speech and appearance. These can affect a child's self

2093
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 2: esteem and impact their well being depending on their age.

2094
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:11,640
Speaker 2: Losing baby teeth early can also affect them as a

2095
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 2: teenager or an adult. Baby teeth actors got blah blah,

2096
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 2: blah blah blah whatever. Whatever. Can I tell you how

2097
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,799
Speaker 2: much I rage at this kind of crap? I rage

2098
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 2: at this because this is you you, and I know

2099
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 2: it's utter bollocks, don't you? You know it's utter bollocks.

2100
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:27,640
Speaker 2: You don't need to brush your child's teeth when this

2101
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 2: You don't need to brush you child's teeth when they're

2102
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 2: six months old. If you do not need to brush

2103
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 2: their child, your child's teeth when they're sex month old,

2104
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 2: what the hell are you doing flossing it? You don't

2105
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 2: need to floss it. That's ridiculous. Have you seen You've

2106
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 2: seen how small the little faces are, the tiny little teeth,

2107
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 2: like there's little gaps that the gaps are there. That's

2108
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 2: why you don't need to floss it. But also, apart

2109
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 2: from that, apart from this ridiculous notion, do you not, like,

2110
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,560
Speaker 2: just think about the things that they're telling you to

2111
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 2: do already as a parent, right you're told to brush

2112
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 2: your children's teeth twice from the age of six, floss

2113
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 2: your children's teeth, make them. Eat three vegetables plus meat,

2114
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 2: no sugar at all, Sleep twelve hours, exercise all day

2115
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 2: long to run the little spirits out. Get maximum amounts

2116
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 2: of sunshine, but with sunscreen on. Please no screens at all,

2117
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 2: because they need to be reading books from the age

2118
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 2: of one, and they need to learn to manage their

2119
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 2: emotions as soon as they can possibly identify the emotions,

2120
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 2: like be reasonable to parents, be reasonable. We are already

2121
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 2: doing everything that we can. We do not need to

2122
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 2: flost our children's teeth. You absolute Nazis. Anyway, I don't

2123
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 2: want to read that crap ever again and right send

2124
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 2: that to those people. Send it to the tooth people

2125
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 2: because they're ridiculous, ridiculous, carry on.

2126
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 11: Oh oh heah, we don't okay.

2127
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 8: Cool day and night vi VI Kid Cuddy to buy

2128
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 8: us out tonight, Hardek to follow their hea Sorry as usual.

2129
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 8: Kid Cuddy is going to be headlining Rhythm and Vines

2130
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 8: Festival and gives been over the new year. The first

2131
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 8: lineup announcement is out. It's going to be him, Turnstile Wilkinson,

2132
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 8: O seven Oh, Shake, Canine, La b Marribou, Steak, Mark

2133
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 8: revel At a Track.

2134
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 11: Quite a few big names on.

2135
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 2: There as well, you got any any feelings?

2136
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 12: And I have one feelings?

2137
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 6: Do you?

2138
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 2: What about you? German? You've got a feeling. I don't

2139
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 2: have a feelings. I have no feelings at forty I

2140
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 2: gave you who needs a floss? Right, So I'm going

2141
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 2: to ask mom. I didn't floss until I was in

2142
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 2: my thirties. I'm gonna that's not even gonna lie. I'm

2143
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 2: gonna ask my mom if she flost me at six months.

2144
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come back to you on this tomorrow because

2145
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 2: I'm not finished with these people, no see them by.

2146
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:46,640
Speaker 1: The longer sim to freeze mine in life and for

2147
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 1: more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive. Listen live to news

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