1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Devin graz Are UK corresponding, Devin, Hello, Hi there, Kevin. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: What's going on with the captain of the boat. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: That sunk Well, it's just being reported just in the 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 2: last few minutes that James Cutfield, a fifty one year 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 2: old New Zealand national, has now been placed under an 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 2: official investigation of the sinking of the Baysian super yacht. 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: That was the yacht that sank off Sicily last week, 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: killing the British tech billionaire Mike Lynch and six others. 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: To be clear, being placed under investigation in Italy does 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: not imply guilt. It does not mean formal charges will 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 2: necessarily follow. But this is an investigation that now has 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: come up and as opposed to looking at the investigation 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: as to the sinking, this is specifically an investigation it 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: is reported into the captain at that time and at 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: the moment of course, everyone's been looking at the weather 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: conditions that the manufacturers of the yacht have been saying, look, 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: you know, if everything had been followed and done according 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: to plan, this yacht would not have sank. And those 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: I think are the allegations around which this has now focused. 20 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: But as I said, this is news just in unconfirmed reports, 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: but it has now been reported in a couple of 22 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: the Italian media as well. With maritime law, they're giving 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: a captain full responsibility for the ship and the crew 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 2: as well as all those on board. 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: Kevinnesson, I don't know how much you know about maritime law, 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: but could man's laughter relate to the fact that the 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: portholes weren't closed and there wasn't a sufficient warning and 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: these people weren't told to get off the boat in 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: time before the storm? Can it apply to that? 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: Yes, I think it can, and that is precisely I 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: think what the earlier allegations had been. The Italian prosecutors 32 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: held a press conference at the weekend where it was 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: revealed the victims were unable to escape as they may 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: have been asleep. They've scrambled to one side of the 35 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,919 Speaker 2: ship in search of air pockets, but obviously unfortunately weren't 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: able to manage to escape, and one line of inquiry 37 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: being pursued by prosecutors is whether the nine surviving crew 38 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: members raised the alarm before they managed to escape, and yes, 39 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: how the so much water managed to get onto the 40 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: yacht before it actually sank and maybe obviously causing it 41 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 2: to sink with those extreme weather conditions which have been forecasts. 42 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: But as I said, early information just coming through there 43 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: from Italy. 44 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: Kevin, why is this telegram check being arrested in France. 45 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really complicated story. So this is involving 46 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: Pavel Durov. He is the boss of Telegram, and he 47 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: was in his private jet landing at Paris Airport La Borges, 48 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: which is one used by often businessmen and so forth, 49 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: when he was detained. Now, according to the officials, the 50 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: thirty nine year old billionaire was arrested under warrant for 51 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: offenses relating to the popular messaging app Telegram. Bosses have 52 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: since said he's got en thing to hide, but the 53 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: investigation is reportedly around the lack of moderators and the 54 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: fact that it's alleged that mister Durov has failed to 55 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: take steps to curb criminal uses of Telegram. Durov lives 56 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: in Dubai. He is of course born and a Russian 57 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: national and actually holds dual citizenship as well. Now with 58 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: the United Arab Emirates and France, and Telegram has been 59 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: incredibly popular, has suddenly spun out of enormous wealth and value, 60 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: but there have been huge concerns among investigators and police 61 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: operators around the world, saying it has basically become the 62 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: go to messaging forum for criminals and more needs to 63 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: be done to stop that. And I think that's now 64 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: why the officials in Paris have arrested him. 65 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: Have you seen the photograph of him in the Telegraph 66 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: today with his top off? 67 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: I saw one where he's sitting in an ice bath. Yes, 68 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: Why is he doing that? 69 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Why is he taking his top off and sitting in 70 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: an icepat Is he just one of these eccentric tech guys. 71 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: I think he quite likes to show that he's a 72 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: buff and coming man of the world, etcetera, etcetera. But yeah, 73 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: you won't be seeing any pictures of me and Ikevin. 74 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: Thank you very much appreciated. Gavin Gray are UK correspondent. 75 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to 76 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: news talks. 77 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 78 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.