Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter
Speaker 1: wolf Camp from News Talks at Bay.
Speaker 2: A house is a hole even when it stars, even
Speaker 2: when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when
Speaker 2: the dog is too old to bar, and when you're
Speaker 2: sitting at the table trying not to start and scissor home,
Speaker 2: even when weave a band ball, even.
Speaker 3: When you're there alone. A house is a hole, even
Speaker 3: when those goes, even when you got around from the world.
Speaker 3: You love you more.
Speaker 2: Streams being in fund.
Speaker 4: Locals, Vesta when they're going the.
Speaker 2: House, even when we ban, even when you're.
Speaker 3: In there alone.
Speaker 5: Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the
Speaker 5: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me Peak wolf Camp,
Speaker 5: the Resident Builder, and we are talking all things building construction.
Speaker 5: It's it's the legislation, it's the products, it's the assembly,
Speaker 5: it's the disassembly. We can talk demolition and demolition, waste
Speaker 5: and waste minimization and the carbonize. My head is a
Speaker 5: little bit full because I was in Wellington yesterday. It's
Speaker 5: not full because I was in Wellington, but I was
Speaker 5: working on a little presentation around wide is Good matter
Speaker 5: and it was prompted by a bit of thinking over
Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks or months, I guess around,
Speaker 5: you know, sort of justifying and arguing for better building practice,
Speaker 5: like why does it actually matter to build better? So yeah,
Speaker 5: a head full of ideas. Anyway, Good morning, welcome along
Speaker 5: to the show. Trust that you're well and hope it's
Speaker 5: been a good week. Looking forward to chatting with you
Speaker 5: this morning about all things building and construction. We're also
Speaker 5: going to introduce a I suppose a new expert guest
Speaker 5: to the lineup this morning as well, so after eight
Speaker 5: o'clock will take some time to talk about ventilation. And
Speaker 5: I guess the reason I wanted to bring up ventilation
Speaker 5: and talk about it very specifically is a lot of
Speaker 5: discussion about ventilating houses. Correctly, given that most of our
Speaker 5: houses don't sort of ventilate incidentally and accidentally like they
Speaker 5: might have done in the past, we're talking about houses
Speaker 5: that are increasingly air tight, still a long way from
Speaker 5: sort of passive house standard air tightness, but increasingly airtight
Speaker 5: and air quality and indoor air quality controlling moisture, controlling mold,
Speaker 5: these sorts of things are really really important in our houses.
Speaker 5: So Storm Harpham, who I met, I was introduced to
Speaker 5: her actually through a LinkedIn article a couple of months
Speaker 5: ago where it was a rebuttal let's say, to the
Speaker 5: proposed changes to wind back the new H one changes.
Speaker 5: And I read through the article and I thought, gosh,
Speaker 5: this is really technical information presented in a way that
Speaker 5: is quite digestible for most of us, myself included. Anyway,
Speaker 5: we've talked on a number of occasions. I've sought her
Speaker 5: advice on a couple of issues around sort of mold
Speaker 5: and mildew inside a property that I look after. And
Speaker 5: so I'm going to bring her onto the show today
Speaker 5: at around just after eight o'clock this morning. So Storm
Speaker 5: Harpham is we're going to talk all things of ventilation, specifically.
Speaker 5: If you've got any specific questions on that, you feel
Speaker 5: free to send them through now. Otherwise I've already got
Speaker 5: a whole heap of questions for here. Up until then,
Speaker 5: it is your opportunity to talk all things building, whatever
Speaker 5: element it is, whether like I say, it's the legislation,
Speaker 5: it's the doing, it's the products, it's the disputes. And
Speaker 5: I went along and had a look at one property
Speaker 5: that was kind of in dispute this week so sometimes
Speaker 5: it goes well and sometimes it doesn't. Eight hundred eighty
Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call. You can text
Speaker 5: as well. That's nine two nine two was zbzb from
Speaker 5: your mobile phone. And if you'd like to send me
Speaker 5: an email, you're more than welcome. It's Pete atnewstalksb dot
Speaker 5: co dot nz. So eleven minutes after six ian A
Speaker 5: very good morning.
Speaker 6: What I can't understand about construction is why they cost
Speaker 6: the materials are so expensive, compete with Australia and why
Speaker 6: did Labor promise to build one hundred thousand houses when
Speaker 6: they knew they couldn't Because there's not only that's carbonders
Speaker 6: and electricians and trades people to too many people doing
Speaker 6: ba's and b comms. It's not enough bscs and you
Speaker 6: know we're training the wrong thing. Yeah, what I can't
Speaker 6: stand it.
Speaker 5: Don't get me stated on kew we build. I'm still
Speaker 5: kind of peeved about the whole thing. I'd probably use
Speaker 5: other language in another situation. So, yes Ki Build was
Speaker 5: an utter disaster and all of the justifications that came
Speaker 5: afterwards were pathetic.
Speaker 6: And they still aren't really doing any better, are they?
Speaker 5: Well arguably no, but they never said that they would, right,
Speaker 5: So you know, that was the bit that got me
Speaker 5: is that from what I understand of that policy, and
Speaker 5: I really don't want to read litigate it here, is
Speaker 5: that it was kind of like sitting in the car
Speaker 5: going to a meeting, thinks up an idea, let's build
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand and ten years. Suddenly it's policy. And
Speaker 5: I remember, you know, being an industry meetings and that
Speaker 5: sort of thing beforehand. Could we do this, No, we couldn't.
Speaker 5: It was it was pine in the sky, nonsense. Right
Speaker 5: In terms of housing affordability, I mean, I think that
Speaker 5: that look, that's a massively intricate question to answer, but
Speaker 5: one of the things that we do need to accept
Speaker 5: here is that we are a small island at the
Speaker 5: bottom of the world with very few people in it, right,
Speaker 5: and yet what we want is what everybody else has got. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, so you know, we don't have I don't think,
Speaker 5: by comparison to other countries, tremendously high building standards, but
Speaker 5: we also don't have terribly low building standards. So there's
Speaker 5: a lot of compliance costs, there's a lot of emphasis
Speaker 5: on building better, which I would support. I think one
Speaker 5: of the things that we haven't accepted as a population,
Speaker 5: as a consumer base is we can't keep building one off, right,
Speaker 5: So you know, for no, no, no, Right up until
Speaker 5: probably I don't know, maybe a little under ten years ago,
Speaker 5: the model for sort of expanding our cities was a
Speaker 5: developer would buy some land, they would carve that up
Speaker 5: into sections, and they'd sell the sections to individual builders.
Speaker 5: And when I started building with Tom thirty something years ago,
Speaker 5: that's exactly what we were doing, right. He'd find a
Speaker 5: piece of land, we'd build a house on it. We'd
Speaker 5: go out, we'd get it specifically designed, we'd go off
Speaker 5: and talk to all the product suppliers and all the rest.
Speaker 5: Everything was individual and bespoke. Now there's no efficiencies in that.
Speaker 5: Right Whereas I went to and without this being a
Speaker 5: plug for simplicity living, but I went to one of
Speaker 5: their developments earlier this year now they're doing it was
Speaker 5: a fifty one unit development on a single site. They
Speaker 5: went from excavation to finished in fifty two weeks, so
Speaker 5: in one year, right, And they've they've they've built them
Speaker 5: to I think a very high standard and they were
Speaker 5: completely and utterly finished in one year. And one of
Speaker 5: the things about them is that they have a sort
Speaker 5: of not quite modular approach, but it's repetitive.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: They're production, not construction. There are i think off the
Speaker 5: top of my head, four different window sizes, right, not
Speaker 5: thirty or forty different window sizes. There are a couple
Speaker 5: of basic kitchen plans. So when you're going to a
Speaker 5: manufacturer and saying make me one hundred and fifty windows
Speaker 5: and they're all the same size, they're going to be
Speaker 5: cheaper than one hundred and fifty windows that are all
Speaker 5: different sizes. So you know, we're and then you know,
Speaker 5: whenever you say this, people go, oh, you, but think
Speaker 5: about England and that and all those rows of tiki
Speaker 5: techi houses and all the.
Speaker 8: Rest of it.
Speaker 5: Well, it's kind of like you can't have your cake
Speaker 5: and eat it too. So you know, if we are
Speaker 5: going to have affordability, we're going to have sort of
Speaker 5: mass production. We're going to have regularity, We're going to
Speaker 5: have less of the bespoke and more of the producing.
Speaker 6: We need a central planning. The thing we're near liberal
Speaker 6: economics that were brought in the nineteen eighty four, and
Speaker 6: I think it's a disaster and moldoing was a socialist,
Speaker 6: and then labor was so right wing, and then roots
Speaker 6: in Asia and the cult of the individual and real
Speaker 6: estate agents are killing property developers. You know, the little
Speaker 6: man can't win. The little man can't win because the
Speaker 6: cost of rates and insurance and everything goes up in
Speaker 6: the price of food and we make food for forty
Speaker 6: million people, yet we pay export prices for our meat
Speaker 6: and our dairy and.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean, look, there's an argument around there.
Speaker 5: I and I could talk to you all day, and
Speaker 5: genuinely I could, and I love the debate around, you know,
Speaker 5: kind of the big picture stuff around construction. But we'll
Speaker 5: try and find because I'm actually getting some stuff done.
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 5: Text New Zealand has not grasped the fact that our
Speaker 5: mindset needs to change, We need to change our attitude
Speaker 5: towards housing. I would agree. I think there's a lot
Speaker 5: more to that statement, obviously from the text, And thank
Speaker 5: you for your text. Yeah, you know, what does housing
Speaker 5: affordability look like? It looks like standardization. And you know,
Speaker 5: the next kind of response to that is often yeah,
Speaker 5: but that's boring. Okay, So it's boring. You know, it's boring,
Speaker 5: but it's housing. It's boring, but it might be affordable,
Speaker 5: and it doesn't necessarily have to be boring, but it does
Speaker 5: need to be efficient, and efficiencies tend to be through repetition.
Speaker 5: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call Jim.
Speaker 5: Good morning to you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, good morning, Pete. They spoke to you a few
Speaker 7: weeks ago about where my boundary fence was in the
Speaker 7: wrong place. Yes, and what we've found now, so we've
Speaker 7: gone through a process of sorting it out. But we've
Speaker 7: got the plans now where when the builder built the
Speaker 7: shed on the property, and it actually shows on the
Speaker 7: plan that it should be one meter from the true boundary,
Speaker 7: not one meter from where the fence is now and
Speaker 7: three meters from the house, whereas an actual fact that
Speaker 7: it's four meters from the house. So who was responsible
Speaker 7: for that? When?
Speaker 5: When was the shed built?
Speaker 7: Eight year or approximately eight years ago? We've only just
Speaker 7: discovered all this problems recently.
Speaker 5: And did you have the shed built or was it
Speaker 5: there when.
Speaker 7: You Yeah, no, no, we had it built there. Okay,
Speaker 7: So on the planet shows and we didn't have the
Speaker 7: plan a few a short time ago. So I've only
Speaker 7: just recently got the plan actually from a copy from
Speaker 7: the councilor Yes, it shows the plan as the building
Speaker 7: should be one meter from the true boundary. Yeah, and
Speaker 7: I've actually had a survey person round to have a
Speaker 7: look and say, yes, that's true where it should be.
Speaker 7: But of course an actual faith they've taken one meter
Speaker 7: from the sisting fence, which was in the wrong pace.
Speaker 7: So who's technically wrong?
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think hm, the fact that so the
Speaker 5: building consent was issued you think sometime around two thousand
Speaker 5: and twenty sixteen. Okay, that's not the dim dark past, right,
Speaker 5: So it was common practice what it is now, and
Speaker 5: it was certainly then to have to determine the boundary
Speaker 5: and then prove the loco that Typically when you know,
Speaker 5: the first inspection is you've established your boundary, you've done
Speaker 5: your earthworks and site works and you know dug the footings.
Speaker 5: Let's say you're ready to pull the slab. Council inspector
Speaker 5: comes out and one of the things that they'll ask
Speaker 5: for is either evidence of where the boundary is, like
Speaker 5: can you show me the boundary pegs and prove to
Speaker 5: me that it's in the right place, or you provide
Speaker 5: the inspector with a citing certificate from a surveyor who's
Speaker 5: come out to determine that the building is in the
Speaker 5: right place. And so somehow your building got built without
Speaker 5: either of those two checks being undertaken. So, and given
Speaker 5: that it's only eight years ago, the contractor who did
Speaker 5: the work is probably still responsible for it. Now they
Speaker 5: might say, well, look, we were not told where the
Speaker 5: boundary was, but I would still probably argue that it
Speaker 5: is their responsibility to do that. And they could say, well,
Speaker 5: council signed it off, in which case you could go
Speaker 5: back to council and say, well, hang on, how come
Speaker 5: you guys didn't pick this up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well I've had to talk to the councilor said
Speaker 7: no to it, which I can, and they.
Speaker 5: On what basis did they say no to it?
Speaker 7: Well, I say it's not not their responsibility, and and
Speaker 7: it does say they're on the original thing that it's
Speaker 7: up to the owner and the builder to determine where
Speaker 7: the boundaries are. So they get out of that little
Speaker 7: loophole there. But the only thing is that when we
Speaker 7: built this shed, that was built by a franchise person.
Speaker 7: So does that take it and that franchise person or
Speaker 7: company now is gone. So yeah, does that take it
Speaker 7: away from the original company?
Speaker 5: Well no, this is no, it doesn't. And this is
Speaker 5: the whole point of the licensed building practitioner scheme. Right,
Speaker 5: So one something in the file that you've got, there
Speaker 5: will be the name of an LBP, right who would
Speaker 5: have put in? It's an individual, right, you can't company
Speaker 5: can not be a licensed building practitioner. So it will
Speaker 5: be an individual and they will have responsibility for it.
Speaker 5: So I would track that person down and if they
Speaker 5: are still currently registered, you would certainly have a conversation
Speaker 5: with them. I think even if they weren't registered, they
Speaker 5: still hold some responsibility for their building work for ten
Speaker 5: years after they've done it, and something like not putting
Speaker 5: it in the right place could ultimately still be their responsibility.
Speaker 5: I feel a bit bad for them, but it doesn't
Speaker 5: mean that that's not their responsibility.
Speaker 7: So the person that, as I say, was a franchise
Speaker 7: and now that person has gone.
Speaker 5: Yes, as in the company has gone, but there will
Speaker 5: be on the I presume the building if it got
Speaker 5: a building consent, it also has a code compliant certificate.
Speaker 5: On the code compliance certificate will be the LBP details
Speaker 5: for the builder right now. That might the person who
Speaker 5: did the slab might be a different LBP to the
Speaker 5: person who did the building, but there will be an
Speaker 5: LBP on there and I would pursue them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, okay, all right, thank you.
Speaker 5: Let us know here you get on, Jim, thanks for
Speaker 5: the update. All right, thank you all best bye and
Speaker 5: then we'll take short break. It is twenty two minutes
Speaker 5: after six eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number
Speaker 5: to call your news talks B. Actually, it was nice
Speaker 5: to caught up with life for Sola down at the
Speaker 5: Wellington Home and Garden Show, which is still on today
Speaker 5: by the way, at sky see the Ousaronot sky City
Speaker 5: sky Stadium in Wellington. So I was in Wellington yesterday.
Speaker 5: Delightful flight back home as well on in New Zealand
Speaker 5: with a very lovely Kevin crewmember who, while wandering down
Speaker 5: the aisle goes, oh, hello, mister Wolfcamp, you're working tomorrow morning.
Speaker 5: So I'm working tomorrow morning. Good, she said, I'll tune
Speaker 5: in and listen. So a very good morning to you
Speaker 5: as well and to all of the crew that were
Speaker 5: on the flight. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the
Speaker 5: number to call Charles. Good morning to you, Hi, Peter.
Speaker 9: My problem is an old fleach of brown built roof
Speaker 9: nineteen sixties meant so you don't get too much rust
Speaker 9: down there, but I've got patches of rust in it.
Speaker 9: Can I use a rust converter and then paint over it?
Speaker 9: The roof's been unpainted all those years?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 10: Why not?
Speaker 5: I mean, look, if the ruster is, you know, starting
Speaker 5: to bubble or eat all the way through, then maybe
Speaker 5: you need to look at either repair or replacement. And
Speaker 5: to be fair, a nineteen sixties roof, like my nineteen
Speaker 5: sixties knees may need some replacement, right so you know
Speaker 5: you'll be able to eke out an extra couple of years.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you could do, you know, treat the rust,
Speaker 5: put another coat of paint on it. That'll certainly do it.
Speaker 5: There's interestingly enough, there's there's a couple of products that
Speaker 5: have come onto the market recently which are like a
Speaker 5: thick viscous membrane which has sprayed over the top of
Speaker 5: old roofs as well. So if you wanted to spend
Speaker 5: a bit more money, you could get contractor and the
Speaker 5: do that type of thing.
Speaker 9: Can you recommend the prom product that I can just
Speaker 9: paint on the patches.
Speaker 5: Paint on patches. You sound like me back in the
Speaker 5: eighties cutting up my T shirt and putting it over
Speaker 5: the holes and the roof that I was painting. I
Speaker 5: think that actually worked quite well. By the way. Look,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't recommend that, partly because I went through a
Speaker 5: lot of T shirts while I was painting. There's not
Speaker 5: in terms of patches, there's really no recommended way of
Speaker 5: doing that.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: So you could try and patch the sheets with another
Speaker 5: sheet of tin and sort of a bead of sealant,
Speaker 5: but often they just become a damn at a certain stage.
Speaker 5: Can I say with the graves to respect the roof
Speaker 5: has served you well, maybe you need to just look
Speaker 5: at replacing the roof.
Speaker 9: We thank you very much.
Speaker 5: Nice to chat with Charles. You take care by then.
Speaker 5: I remember doing that. I was painting. It was kind
Speaker 5: of like a contra thing, you know. I was helping
Speaker 5: out a mate, and every now and then there was
Speaker 5: like a small rust patch was appearing on this old
Speaker 5: corrigid iron roof, and quite literally, and I say this
Speaker 5: slightly shamefully, we'd just sort of rip outful cut off
Speaker 5: a section of T shirt that we were wearing, dip
Speaker 5: it in the bucket of paint, so we'd sucked up
Speaker 5: all the paint, put that on top of the patch,
Speaker 5: or put that as a patch on top of the
Speaker 5: little rusthole that had developed, and then just paint more
Speaker 5: paint over the top of it. I don't know how
Speaker 5: long it lasted, and I'm not suggesting it's a suitable
Speaker 5: method of repairing, but hey needs must Oh eight hundred
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. I'm just
Speaker 5: trying to I was thinking about painting that roof too.
Speaker 5: It was quite steep because it was an old villa
Speaker 5: and he's sort of scampering around there as a young
Speaker 5: fellow with a bucket of paint.
Speaker 11: It was.
Speaker 5: It felt like a long way to the ground too.
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call. Lorraine.
Speaker 5: Good morning to you, Good morning peat.
Speaker 12: I'm looking at a house that's got metra pedaling in
Speaker 12: the walls and internal walls. Can you talk to people?
Speaker 12: Nobody seems to have heard much about it. Can you
Speaker 12: tell me is that a good thing or not?
Speaker 5: Sorry? A walling product?
Speaker 12: Which one in a house? I'm looking to buy it.
Speaker 12: The internal walls are made of metropalne. Before you can
Speaker 12: hear you tell me whether it's a good thing or not.
Speaker 5: Yes, look what metropanel is. I think it's actually Jane L.
Speaker 5: Duken's triboard, right, So it's made as triboard and when
Speaker 5: it gets sold through that company it becomes metropanel. So
Speaker 5: it's like either a thirty six or a thirty nine
Speaker 5: millimeter composite board which has a strand board core and
Speaker 5: then NDF on each side, so it's a solid panel.
Speaker 5: And in fact, when I was in Wellington yesterday, the
Speaker 5: Easy Build team they use it as part of their bill.
Speaker 5: There's a crowd that we've talked to up in the
Speaker 5: Far North Panel Locke who also uses So rather than
Speaker 5: having a timber stud and then plasterboard lining and all
Speaker 5: the rest of it, it's simply you assemble your entire
Speaker 5: house using these panels. Yeah. Look it's durable, it's robust,
Speaker 5: it doesn't move around a lot, so I wouldn't have
Speaker 5: any well, I mean it's a wood product, right, so
Speaker 5: it's neither cold nor warm. It is whatever you heat
Speaker 5: it up. So on the perimeter of the house, for example,
Speaker 5: typically you'll have that panel as the inside face and
Speaker 5: as the structural element, and then on the outside they'll
Speaker 5: put on a baton and that's where the insulation go,
Speaker 5: and then the cladding goes over the top of that.
Speaker 5: And you might find if you look up, is the
Speaker 5: ceiling also in this metropanel.
Speaker 12: I don't think so. I think it's just the walls
Speaker 12: which makes it narrower.
Speaker 5: What it is is it's space saving for the floor.
Speaker 12: Yes, yes, But I just wondered because a lot of
Speaker 12: people hadn't heard about it, and you sort of think, well.
Speaker 5: Look, it's been around shivers I.
Speaker 12: Think twenty years.
Speaker 5: I think, oh, even longer, and I've spoken with people
Speaker 5: who are building with it, you know, back in the
Speaker 5: eighties basically, so yeah, it's been around, it's proven itself.
Speaker 5: It is super durable, and you know, one of the
Speaker 5: huge advantage, well, there's number of advantages. One is the
Speaker 5: space saving because you know, if you're within a conventional house,
Speaker 5: if you took the same frame footprint and built it
Speaker 5: using that sort of panel system, you can save about
Speaker 5: I think it's close to six percent of the floor
Speaker 5: space just by reducing the thickness of all of those walls,
Speaker 5: and yeah, in terms of rigidity and so on, it's great.
Speaker 5: In terms of robustness, you know, the ability to resist
Speaker 5: knocks and so on, it's got some huge advantages as well.
Speaker 12: So once it's up, though, you cannot put a new
Speaker 12: plugs or anything like that. You have to have them
Speaker 12: because it's like a kit set, so you have to
Speaker 12: have all your points and everything put them beforehand. Is
Speaker 12: that correct?
Speaker 5: Yes, that yeah, because getting there is no inside of
Speaker 5: the wall to get to. So typically at the time
Speaker 5: of construction, if they're going to do light switches, powerpoints,
Speaker 5: that sort of thing, they're routed into the sheet and
Speaker 5: then you know there's there's a pathway for that cabling
Speaker 5: to go. So if you were to add in new cabling,
Speaker 5: maybe with a little bit of care and tension, you
Speaker 5: could try and drill up and then drill out. But
Speaker 5: what you might find is that you just have to
Speaker 5: do it with a bit of trunking on the face
Speaker 5: of the panel.
Speaker 12: What about the pumbing where the pumbing everything is because
Speaker 12: a lot of the pumbing's done from the ceiling. Now,
Speaker 12: is that right from the top of the house now
Speaker 12: the news sometimes.
Speaker 5: But typically in bathrooms, and that what they'll do is
Speaker 5: they'll use the panel and then they'll do effectively creating
Speaker 5: a service's cavity. Right, so there'll be a batman on
Speaker 5: the inside and all of your plumbing runs down there,
Speaker 5: and it might have some lining over the top of it.
Speaker 12: Right, Okay, Yeah, So you don't think it's a problem
Speaker 12: for buying a house like that or even trying to
Speaker 12: sell it at some stage.
Speaker 5: Look, I think it's a product that's been around, you know,
Speaker 5: it's well known within certain sectors. I think it's it's
Speaker 5: proven itself over time, and while not everyone's familiar with it,
Speaker 5: doesn't mean it's not hasn't been around and isn't a
Speaker 5: reliable product.
Speaker 12: Just seemed unusual that a lot of builders, you know,
Speaker 12: even building company rank, hadn't heard of it.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Look, that's I think one of the things with you know,
Speaker 5: builders in general, and I'm one of them, right, is
Speaker 5: we kind of stick to what we know, and so
Speaker 5: you know, you can spend your whole building life just
Speaker 5: doing one type of building, and the fact is we've
Speaker 5: got lots of different types of buildings out there and
Speaker 5: lots of different building methodologies. So what you're encountering there
Speaker 5: is one that maybe isn't familiar to everyone. Not to
Speaker 5: say that. I mean, I know people have been building
Speaker 5: with it, like I say, for thirty forty years.
Speaker 12: Yes, yes, So you wouldn't have avoid buying your house
Speaker 12: because it had no problems at all.
Speaker 5: I would frame that by saying, I hope that you
Speaker 5: get independent advice and you make sure that you know
Speaker 5: a whole lot of other things are right with the house.
Speaker 5: But as a broad brush approach, I wouldn't say that
Speaker 5: you have any reason to be too considered.
Speaker 12: They even asked a building inspector and he hadn't heard
Speaker 12: of it.
Speaker 5: Then you need to find a better building inspector.
Speaker 12: Right, Okay, to be blunt, right, that's a good one.
Speaker 5: Nice to talk to you. You take care. See then
Speaker 5: bye bye. Yeah, you need to find a better building inspector.
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Now someone has
Speaker 5: I love these texts. Hang on hand. Let me deal
Speaker 5: with this one first morning, Pete. Sorry, you're wrong. No
Speaker 5: LBP required for the garage, as it's not restricted building
Speaker 5: work unless it's habitable and is on the inspector. And
Speaker 5: it is on the inspector. If he passed the citing inspection,
Speaker 5: he has had a base to pass on the evidence
Speaker 5: to identifying the boundary. If he's just taken on trust Craig,
Speaker 5: and I of've Craig's opinions all of the time. Hang on,
Speaker 5: if it got a consent, it's restricted building work. I
Speaker 5: know you can build certain types of garages and certain
Speaker 5: locations without necessarily requiring a consent, but this one got
Speaker 5: a consent, and consented work can only be done by
Speaker 5: a licensed building practitioner unless you get an exemption. That's
Speaker 5: point that I was trying to make al. I love
Speaker 5: the text from Craig. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 5: eighty is the number to call John A very good
Speaker 5: morning to you.
Speaker 10: That's the very thing I reng you about, Peter. When
Speaker 10: you're buying a house, you know you can go to
Speaker 10: the local council and anything that's on the council. That's
Speaker 10: why even if it's you know, every time you get
Speaker 10: some alterations it requires a Milligan seat, you've got to
Speaker 10: get a Billigan set.
Speaker 5: And then only if it's restricted building work, and only
Speaker 5: if it's work that does actually require a consent.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know this particular they got a building a
Speaker 10: set for.
Speaker 8: It, didn't they?
Speaker 5: They did yes, and it got issued with the c SEC,
Speaker 5: didn't it. It would appear so well, I know it does.
Speaker 5: So what I asked, what I asked Jim is did
Speaker 5: it did you have a building consent for this? And
Speaker 5: did it get a CCC? And yes, and yes is
Speaker 5: the answer. And look, you know, think back, I remember building,
Speaker 5: you know, twenty five thirty years ago, right, and would
Speaker 5: do a set out and the inspector would come along
Speaker 5: for the footing inspection and they'd kind of just look
Speaker 5: around and go, yep, looks like it's in the right place.
Speaker 5: Now those days don't exist anymore, right, And eight years
Speaker 5: ago you would set out your foundations, you would either
Speaker 5: do it because the surveyor had been to the site
Speaker 5: beforehand and put in let's say, four boundary pigs for you,
Speaker 5: and then you set the building up on that and
Speaker 5: they would issue a sighting certificate. And in the absence
Speaker 5: of a sighting certificate, you'd have to prove evidence to
Speaker 5: the building inspector at the time that they were coming
Speaker 5: to look at the foundation inspection, the first inspection that
Speaker 5: the building was in the right place. So, you know,
Speaker 5: if Jim had said to me, look, I built the
Speaker 5: garage thirty years ago. I'd say, yeah, I can understand
Speaker 5: how it somehow missed out.
Speaker 10: Peter Yip. Yeah, look I was a building and spricked
Speaker 10: up twenty five years so I know exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 10: What I'm saying is that in the notes of the
Speaker 10: of the inspections there there will be in the notes
Speaker 10: at the Lake Authority where it is, I don't know
Speaker 10: where it is, what council, but there will be in
Speaker 10: the notes that that an inspects it was cool to
Speaker 10: do a citing. That's if it was going to be
Speaker 10: done now. But it's going to be done by the inspector.
Speaker 10: They've got to define the boundaries with the with the
Speaker 10: survey pigs, and then they've got to put lines up
Speaker 10: and stuff, and to just sick to see its being
Speaker 10: cited as accordance with the approved building of scent plans. Now,
Speaker 10: the other way you said is right, if if it's
Speaker 10: a bit done you and they can't find the pigs
Speaker 10: and that, then they've got to employ a serve land
Speaker 10: and they didn't get to prove siding to be that
Speaker 10: will be in the notes. Now if this thing has
Speaker 10: been built with the building concent and it's been issued
Speaker 10: with the side off and it's gone to to be
Speaker 10: a compliance, then it's on the council. The council should
Speaker 10: have evidence to show when that when that siding inspector
Speaker 10: was done and who and who passed it and and
Speaker 10: if they've got no records of that, that's on the council.
Speaker 10: And they shouldn't have done the siding in the building
Speaker 10: said to be a good priance and to finishing the
Speaker 10: job because because it would have been an inspection that
Speaker 10: wasn't done side the inspection. Now the other thing, if
Speaker 10: it didn't require siting inspection that need this isn't to
Speaker 10: be any good pride, you know, from a reason very clear.
Speaker 5: Well, that's where I was.
Speaker 10: Be able to he should go and go to the
Speaker 10: council and get the information from the council as to
Speaker 10: how it was silent, and they should be evidenced there
Speaker 10: that it was cited as approved.
Speaker 5: And that's where I was a little bit surprised because
Speaker 5: he's gone to the council to get the property file
Speaker 5: because he didn't still have the copy of the consent,
Speaker 5: and then he's asked counsel about this and they've just said, no,
Speaker 5: it's not our job. There's a little note on there
Speaker 5: to say that the contractor and the owner.
Speaker 13: Are the job.
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, I don't think it works that way
Speaker 5: any well, eight years ago. It's just not that long ago.
Speaker 5: It's not like the building practice has changed dramatically in
Speaker 5: the last eight years. And you and I would both agree,
Speaker 5: you know, thirty forty years ago. I mean I remember
Speaker 5: setting out a building. Admittedly it was on a lifestyle block,
Speaker 5: and we had one pig in the ground and it
Speaker 5: was like, that's where the building's going to go, and
Speaker 5: then we did all the rest from there. Now it's
Speaker 5: not like that anymore, right, And it wasn't like that
Speaker 5: eight years ago. And I don't understand how he can't
Speaker 5: get counsel to engage on that.
Speaker 10: Peter. It's better now because I'm eighty eight now and
Speaker 10: I retired when I was seventy two from building of streeting, right,
Speaker 10: So we had to wear about those things then, and
Speaker 10: it was very simple. You know, they either gave you
Speaker 10: a certificate from a license you know, SERVO or else
Speaker 10: and it'll be in the notes. There's no way that
Speaker 10: they know we don't know about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think maybe he needs to get someone to
Speaker 5: argue on his behalf. With regard to counsel John, I
Speaker 5: love the experience and the insights. Now update update old
Speaker 5: inspectors one hundred percent correct from Craig. I agree with you, right, Craig. Update. Yes,
Speaker 5: standalone garage does need a consent, but it only needs
Speaker 5: an LBP if it's habitable. So if it's not a
Speaker 5: habitable building, I you know, you get a company that
Speaker 5: specializes in garages, they'll need to get a consent for it,
Speaker 5: but the people who do it don't need to be
Speaker 5: an LBP. That is genuinely news for me. I was
Speaker 5: very much under the impression that if it's a consent,
Speaker 5: it needs to be restrict A consent basically defines what
Speaker 5: restricted building work is.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 5: You can do work that's building work that's not restricted
Speaker 5: if it didn't have a consent. If you get a consent,
Speaker 5: it becomes restricted building work. Restricted building work can only
Speaker 5: be done or undertaken or supervised by an LBP. I'm
Speaker 5: going to have to do a bit more reading on that, Craig.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, sir. We'll call that one a draw.
Speaker 5: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 5: to call it a six forty two at newstalk zeb radio.
Speaker 5: Very good morning to you all, and at least a
Speaker 5: very good morning to you.
Speaker 14: Good morning, how are you very well?
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 12: It's use.
Speaker 14: So I've got just an interesting little problem, and I'm
Speaker 14: sure you're be intrigued about. I think just my house
Speaker 14: eleven years ago and welcome they total and when I
Speaker 14: would just sell that three years later, I decided I
Speaker 14: had accounts of decided that it had no compliants and
Speaker 14: all the checks that I've done with frugal, so I
Speaker 14: had over silence to try and sell it privately to
Speaker 14: or a developer. So he got the council down and
Speaker 14: turns out that the house, the only thing on the
Speaker 14: council file that was not ticked off was the piles.
Speaker 14: Everything else is tack dated and signed. So we believe
Speaker 14: it's that an administrative area year odd years ago when
Speaker 14: the house is constructed. However, now one of my boundaries
Speaker 14: is on to a X Housing year leland the house
Speaker 14: where the tenants have been there for over twenty years,
Speaker 14: and that particular Housing Year Zealand portfolio sold over eleven
Speaker 14: hundred properties to an Australian company called IHC, And so
Speaker 14: they mean that and they had the tenants vis my
Speaker 14: boundary needed they planted a plant to caught an a
Speaker 14: plant about twenty years ago, and that has encroached onto
Speaker 14: my intection to the tune onto my boundaries in the government.
Speaker 14: I'm not living at this house right most of the time,
Speaker 14: but to the tune of about a meter and a half.
Speaker 14: So we needed to leave a defense and redo defense
Speaker 14: so we could decide what we're going to do with
Speaker 14: our property. When doing that, the digger came in and
Speaker 14: caused one hell of a mess and up popped three
Speaker 14: springs on the groundw market his digger line fresh water
Speaker 14: springs the best of them, one lesa of fresh spring
Speaker 14: water every minute, So now I want the water. They
Speaker 14: just not a boundary, and no one's playing game with anyone,
Speaker 14: you know, if they say the focus the boundary alone
Speaker 14: down across nineteen thousand.
Speaker 5: Dollars and they want to surveys.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, now right, age what works? And so that's
Speaker 14: turning into a very just thing conversation where yeah, I'll
Speaker 14: take liability, all right, if you can assure me that
Speaker 14: that water gets three directed.
Speaker 5: In my fiction, I can just see this becoming vastly,
Speaker 5: vastly complicated in a in a very short manner of time. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: I appreciate the I mean it is. It is phenomenal
Speaker 5: how complex these things get in a remark like I say,
Speaker 5: remarkably short amount of time. I hope it all works out.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure there's a question then there, So I
Speaker 5: hope it all works out for you. It is six
Speaker 5: forty eight here at news Talk CB. I chat for
Speaker 5: a second longer. It's actually six forty nine. Time to
Speaker 5: take a break back after the break a couple of
Speaker 5: speed lines for right now? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 5: is that number to call? So just clearing up some
Speaker 5: of the confusion, let's say, and if I've been part
Speaker 5: of that, my apologies for that. So LBP work that's
Speaker 5: excluded is covered in the building dot gov dot NZ
Speaker 5: website if you sort of go projects and construction. I
Speaker 5: don't think I can bring up a hyperlink through the text.
Speaker 5: Oh I can. How exciting, right, So I'll have a
Speaker 5: look at that. And what it is is things where
Speaker 5: you might need a consent for it, but it doesn't
Speaker 5: necessarily need an LBP to do the work. And that
Speaker 5: includes garages if they're not going to be habitable. So
Speaker 5: if they suddenly become a habitable space, then suddenly they
Speaker 5: do need to have an LBP actually undertake the work
Speaker 5: as well. I'll dig into a bit more of this
Speaker 5: detail for you shortly. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 5: is the number to call, and the lines are over
Speaker 5: an art A very good morning to you get art. Hello, Yeah,
Speaker 5: Matt from christ Church, Matt, good morning.
Speaker 7: Good morning.
Speaker 15: Is it possible to relay concrete over concrete head? I've
Speaker 15: got a concrete pair that's tilting it towards the garage door.
Speaker 15: Previously it was tilted away from the garage door, so
Speaker 15: got water going into the garage.
Speaker 5: I suppose the concern with you know, those sorts of
Speaker 5: repairs is will you get it to add here? So
Speaker 5: you know, I would say that you could. You can
Speaker 5: lay a new slab over the top of an old
Speaker 5: one if you've got it, you know, I'd say a
Speaker 5: minimum of seventy five millimeters, and then you'd want to
Speaker 5: make sure that the two bond together. The other problem
Speaker 5: that I can see is that if the existing one
Speaker 5: is moving and you pour another one on top, what's
Speaker 5: to stop both of them then moving?
Speaker 15: I think it's said, yeah, okay, I wouldn't be pouring
Speaker 15: a pad it looks like I had to cut.
Speaker 7: It and break.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, because you know, to be fair, anything
Speaker 5: less than that you'll find that it will break and
Speaker 5: delaminate anyway, Right, So you'd put a lot of effort
Speaker 5: into doing it and then find it doesn't last very long.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, the typical practice would be to
Speaker 5: break up what's there already and simply pour a new
Speaker 5: pad and you'll certainly get a much better job.
Speaker 15: I thought that would be advice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And just you know, make sure you dispose
Speaker 5: of the hard fill somewhere where it can be recycled.
Speaker 5: So there's there's I would imagine in Christ it's probably
Speaker 5: a number of places that do recycling of hard fill
Speaker 5: rather than just send it off to landfill. All the
Speaker 5: very best, you take care, all the best. Self leveling
Speaker 5: compound does good for Mark, for Christ. It's not the garrette,
Speaker 5: it's the path on the outside. I think doing self
Speaker 5: leveling compound where it's exposed to the elements not a
Speaker 5: good idea. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
Speaker 5: is the number to call. We will come back straight
Speaker 5: after news Sport and we're the top of the hour
Speaker 5: that's about a minute away. In the next hour, we're
Speaker 5: going to catch up with Tim Pearson actually, who's a
Speaker 5: builder just outside of christ Church who's been using some
Speaker 5: of the J and l J panel which I used
Speaker 5: on little projects. So we're going to chat with Tim
Speaker 5: also in the hour from eight o'clock onwards, or the
Speaker 5: half hour before it arrives. Your special guest joining me
Speaker 5: on the program, Storm Harpham Harpam, who is a specialist
Speaker 5: in ventilation. I picked up on a really good article
Speaker 5: that she wrote and posted on LinkedIn talking about the
Speaker 5: proposed changes to wind back H one of the building
Speaker 5: Code and her response to that, and also a whole
Speaker 5: lot of really useful articles around the importance of ventilation.
Speaker 5: And my first question to her is going to be,
Speaker 5: and I'll take your questions as well via the text.
Speaker 5: You know, how is ventilation not just opening the window?
Speaker 5: And how have we suddenly gone from just open a
Speaker 5: window to requiring ventilation. There's a lot in it, So
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to conversation with Storm after the eight
Speaker 5: o'clock news this morning as well. If you've got a question,
Speaker 5: call us now, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 5: that number to call. Any of your building and building
Speaker 5: related inquiries and questions are welcome on the show. Like
Speaker 5: I said, we've got news, sport and weather top of
Speaker 5: the hour at seven o'clock and we're back straight after
Speaker 5: the news and a very good morning. Welcome back to
Speaker 5: the show. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
Speaker 5: number to call if you've got a building question. That
Speaker 5: is the number, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can
Speaker 5: also text through, and we've had some very fine texts
Speaker 5: this morning. Nine to nine two is EZB from your
Speaker 5: mobile phone. If you'd like to email me, you're more
Speaker 5: than welcome to do that. In fact, I did get
Speaker 5: an email this morning from jan who has sent me.
Speaker 5: The usefulness of the email is you can attach photographs. Right,
Speaker 5: So she has sent me a photograph showing a solution
Speaker 5: to a roofing issue that she has. I presume she
Speaker 5: the problem with the roof is odd looking solution for
Speaker 5: rainwater gushing off the roof above the front door see
Speaker 5: the pitcher and sure enough it is just pouring over
Speaker 5: the spouting. He has laid a downpipe horizontally for a
Speaker 5: couple of meters above the guttering. Now think about a spreader, right,
Speaker 5: which is a not uncommon methodology. If you've got an
Speaker 5: upper roof discharging onto a lower roof, typically you have
Speaker 5: the downpipe coming down, you extend it a little bit
Speaker 5: onto the lower roof, and then to ensure that the
Speaker 5: water doesn't just pour down in one location, you install
Speaker 5: a spreader. They're generally maybe half a meter wide, so
Speaker 5: five hundred millimeters. You put an end cap on them,
Speaker 5: You drill a series of holes, and it spreads the
Speaker 5: distribution jan with the grace. Respect. I have never, ever,
Speaker 5: ever in my life, seen a spreader that's probably about
Speaker 5: two and a half meters long, So if you're familiar
Speaker 5: with these, think about a spreader that's two and a
Speaker 5: half met is long with a whole series of holes
Speaker 5: drilled in it that is then distributing the water from
Speaker 5: the top roof onto the lower roof in order to
Speaker 5: stop it overwhelming the lower roof and pouring over the
Speaker 5: spouting right by the front door. So thank you for
Speaker 5: your photograph. What appears to me is that the actual
Speaker 5: problem one, I think that's not a great solution. Two,
Speaker 5: the actual problem is that the lower spouting is set
Speaker 5: too low. So if you're you know, the photograph is
Speaker 5: taken from the ground looking up at the roof. Realistically,
Speaker 5: if you've got a let's say a roof at about
Speaker 5: two and a half three meters high, and you're standing
Speaker 5: four or five meters away from it looking at it,
Speaker 5: you shouldn't be able to see the profile of the iron.
Speaker 5: And I can quite clearly see not just the peak
Speaker 5: of the iron or the rib of the iron, but
Speaker 5: also the trough of the iron, which means that in
Speaker 5: reasonable weather, the water just shoots straight over the top
Speaker 5: of the spouting. So spouting typically is designed with a
Speaker 5: lip at the front, which is there to catch water
Speaker 5: during heavy downpour. So when it's not just dribbling off
Speaker 5: the end of the iron and into the spouting and
Speaker 5: it's got some speed because there's lots of water, you
Speaker 5: want to be able to capture that. And that's not
Speaker 5: what's happening in your instance. So Jan, I think the
Speaker 5: issue is that the spouting is set too low. I
Speaker 5: can understand why it's set too low because they're aiming
Speaker 5: to get to that outlet, which means that they've started
Speaker 5: too low somewhere and just got lower and lower and
Speaker 5: lower and lower. That's your problem. Oh, eight hundred and
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty. Let's rip into a couple of calls. Remember,
Speaker 5: I've got a guest coming. Guests joining us on the
Speaker 5: program in the next hour as well to talk ventilation, ventilation,
Speaker 5: mold control, moisture control, balance, pressure systems. We're going to
Speaker 5: have a whole half hour on ventilation. It'll be great.
Speaker 5: So my guest will be joining us in the next hour.
Speaker 5: A very good morning, and thanks for wording.
Speaker 16: How are you good morning, Yes, I'm fine, Thank you,
Speaker 16: thanks for taking my call. I have a question around
Speaker 16: installations and new housing. I had a house built seven
Speaker 16: years ago and I had an Atlanta shower put in
Speaker 16: my on Sweet and in my master BA throne. The
Speaker 16: problem is is that my on Swite shower, the scooting
Speaker 16: board started going a little bit dark and the paint
Speaker 16: started to sort of slightly flake just outside of the
Speaker 16: shower door. And then I noticed just recently that black
Speaker 16: mold has come through on an opposing drawer corner and
Speaker 16: across the skirting board behind my bed. So the opposing
Speaker 16: corner is in my dressing room and across my bed.
Speaker 16: So my question is what is the warranty usually on
Speaker 16: installation and the plumbing on a new house if it ten.
Speaker 5: Years typically it is yes.
Speaker 16: Okay, so that's all right.
Speaker 5: If a new build, and I mean seven years is
Speaker 5: not that long ago, and there should be I mean,
Speaker 5: you know that particular brand will have its own warranty
Speaker 5: statement or at least a description of how it's supposed
Speaker 5: to be installed somewhere in the property records. It should
Speaker 5: also have it'll have that certainly will have the name
Speaker 5: of the LBP who was kind of in charge of
Speaker 5: the project. You'd have to try and track down who
Speaker 5: actually did the installation of the shower. So increasingly, particularly
Speaker 5: with new builds, we often it's becoming more specialized, for example,
Speaker 5: so there, I know there are crews around that just
Speaker 5: specialize in installing showers, and possibly the main contractor would
Speaker 5: have contracted that company to do the work, so they
Speaker 5: have to they then become responsible for it.
Speaker 16: Okay, all right, Well I had Plun've tracked down the plumber,
Speaker 16: but he's not getting back to me after explaining what's happened. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 16: I've got a bit of a problem there, So that's okay.
Speaker 16: I just wanted to confirm because insurance just the house
Speaker 16: insurance to slowly paid fifteen hundred plus the five hundred excess,
Speaker 16: which is a bit of a shame. So yeah, all right, then.
Speaker 5: Regarded as gradual damage, yes they had. Yeah, yeah, look,
Speaker 5: you know it's not that long ago. People should be
Speaker 5: able to stand by their work. But you know, I
Speaker 5: would start to perhaps have a look at who the
Speaker 5: main contractor was and the LBP associated with that, because
Speaker 5: there will be one, and then put a little bit
Speaker 5: of pressure on them to help you to find the
Speaker 5: person responsible.
Speaker 16: Okay, that's.
Speaker 5: All the best, ye take care, Jennette and Robert A
Speaker 5: very good morning to you.
Speaker 8: Good morning to you into your session with some interest
Speaker 8: over the years, and I think I run up about
Speaker 8: it anything, But you mentioned a substance that you put
Speaker 8: on a party rusted roof. This is a barn and
Speaker 8: an office I have the Hawks Bay, and could you
Speaker 8: give me the name of that discuss or this thick
Speaker 8: substance that you put on first perhaps of protective measure,
Speaker 8: and then you paint over the top and where you're finding.
Speaker 5: I think maybe you've taken what I was doing thirty
Speaker 5: odd years ago painting a roof, and felt that that's
Speaker 5: some sort of approved methodology. Sorry, all I was doing
Speaker 5: back then was actually taking little bits out of my
Speaker 5: T shirt and soaking them and paint and putting them
Speaker 5: on the roof. That's not a recommended methodology, right, But
Speaker 5: there are today, what I've noticed just online, you know,
Speaker 5: various ads that have popped up for essentially coatings over
Speaker 5: the top of an existing roof, right, so you know,
Speaker 5: like maybe maybe not even a millimeter thick, but a
Speaker 5: sort of viscous flexible membrane that's supplied over the top
Speaker 5: of a substrate. Perhaps that's getting to the end of
Speaker 5: its life. If you search, actually, if you search for
Speaker 5: roof buddy, this is an interesting thing that's popped up
Speaker 5: over the last year or so, just roofbuddy, dot co,
Speaker 5: dot z. It's a way of getting different roof buddy. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a way of getting different roofing contractors to price
Speaker 5: for work. And I think they're also involved with some
Speaker 5: of these roofing products. I haven't had a chance to
Speaker 5: use any of them. I've done like small lean to
Speaker 5: roofs with things like during one nine to five or
Speaker 5: a couple of EPM type products. But I think if
Speaker 5: you wanted to do an entire coating, it'll be a
Speaker 5: specialist applicator who'll come and ideally treat the rust and
Speaker 5: then apply a coating over the top. And I think
Speaker 5: I would you go ahead?
Speaker 8: It's only partial, yeah, portions. It's been around. I don't
Speaker 8: know how long it hairs. It's pretty old, but I
Speaker 8: think it may have been reroofed at some stage yet,
Speaker 8: and I want to preserve. I don't think a stage
Speaker 8: where it's a renewal that I was quite Would Razine
Speaker 8: have a product like that?
Speaker 5: They'll have roof paint, certainly, and you can use like
Speaker 5: a rust converter and then a rust kill primer or
Speaker 5: like a general PA primer on it and then top.
Speaker 5: But if you've if you've got a hole there, or
Speaker 5: the beginning of a hole, then you know paint's not going.
Speaker 8: To fix that, right, No, it'll reach a stage all
Speaker 8: right then.
Speaker 5: Yes, Typically with roofs like that, I do a wire brush,
Speaker 5: I treat the area with a proper primer, a metal primer,
Speaker 5: and then go over the top of the whole roof
Speaker 5: with you know, a roofing paint and that will extend
Speaker 5: the life of it. And I've done that well, you know,
Speaker 5: recommended to clients over the years to do that and
Speaker 5: it tends to extend the life of the roof, and
Speaker 5: I think the focus is very much on extending the life.
Speaker 5: It's not a permanent fix, but it will give you
Speaker 5: some more time. Hey, thanks for much trouble it all
Speaker 5: and nice too nice to chat with you. You take
Speaker 5: care all the best by your news talk B I
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call now.
Speaker 5: Someone has text through looking for independent drainage surveys. To
Speaker 5: be fair, I've not really ever encountered one. If I
Speaker 5: guess going to a geotech engineer who is experienced in
Speaker 5: civil works and drainage might be your best bet. They
Speaker 5: were looking for sort of independent advice about drainage, but
Speaker 5: not from a drainage company, which is an interesting way.
Speaker 5: So I wonder whether a local geotech firm might be
Speaker 5: a good place to start for that sort of professional advice.
Speaker 5: Good luck on that one. O eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 5: eighty back after the break, Oh text message I could
Speaker 5: get I could, I could be waylaid, I could be
Speaker 5: led down all sorts of delightful garden paths by this
Speaker 5: next question? What ner peak? May I ask if you
Speaker 5: have time for an update on your owl? House houses Lee,
Speaker 5: thank you very much. I'll restrain right now, but if
Speaker 5: you haven't seen it, I have done an update on
Speaker 5: the al barn saga. If you go either to Instagram
Speaker 5: search resident Builder or go to Facebook, there will be
Speaker 5: videos there that explains something of my process. And undoubtedly
Speaker 5: I will raise this particular vexatious issue with rud when
Speaker 5: we talk with him in just over an hour's time.
Speaker 5: So yes, I will talk about that, but I won't
Speaker 5: get distracted right now.
Speaker 17: Good morning, Hi morning, Peter.
Speaker 5: You sir, I'm very well, thank you.
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, just got a question on the cost of
Speaker 17: replacing on a brick sort of a unit. Yes, it's
Speaker 17: by roughly forty five meters of one level in the
Speaker 17: ground around the house is completely flat as well. Yep,
Speaker 17: So what would be their rough costs be?
Speaker 5: I think with these things, you know, they're often it
Speaker 5: depends a little bit on the type of spouting do
Speaker 5: you want to replace it with? For example, PVC spouting?
Speaker 5: Do you want continuous spouting? Do you want metal spouting
Speaker 5: but not necessarily continuous? Is someone taking off the old
Speaker 5: spouting disposing of it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5: So the best thing to do always, I think, is
Speaker 5: to get a quote. But I know, you know, then
Speaker 5: these ads running on the station continuous group are doing
Speaker 5: replacement spouting. It's sort of twenty nine to thirty dollars
Speaker 5: a lineal meter, so that gives you an idea. But
Speaker 5: that might just be for supply and install. It might
Speaker 5: not be for removal, and it might not be for
Speaker 5: disposal and those sorts of things. So hunt around, get
Speaker 5: some prices. And also it depends on whether it is
Speaker 5: genuine spouting hung on a facierboard, or whether it's perhaps
Speaker 5: spouting that's part of a concealed spouting and facial system,
Speaker 5: which becomes much more complicated.
Speaker 17: Again in the current when he's got the breckage, I
Speaker 17: said in his okay, great, and joins onto the neighbors
Speaker 17: unit on either sides.
Speaker 5: He's basically right, yes, yeah, I'm with you. So typically
Speaker 5: you're sort of replacing like for like, hopefully the falls
Speaker 5: are all good. But look, you know, I really, seriously
Speaker 5: I think you're better off getting someone getting two prices
Speaker 5: and then deciding on which contractor you want to work with. Oh,
Speaker 5: eight hundred, thank you for your question. Eight hundred eighty
Speaker 5: teen eighty the number breck.
Speaker 18: Good morning, Yeah, good morning paper. Just an article we've
Speaker 18: got in the Star newspaper here in christ Church off
Speaker 18: a gentleman who was a licensed building practitioner who's been
Speaker 18: married to pay four hundred and seventies house and a
Speaker 18: compensation because he missed up a job.
Speaker 5: Saw that one.
Speaker 18: Yeah, Well, nowhere in that article does it say anything
Speaker 18: about having his license taken off. Nowhere doesn't say the
Speaker 18: building inspectors, and didn't say anything about the linear weather
Speaker 18: boards being installed. Wrong. What's the point in having all
Speaker 18: of these flash titles when these things are completely Overlook?
Speaker 18: You know to me that.
Speaker 5: Although hold, we don't know whether he's a master builder,
Speaker 5: and chances are it is not. Okay, So the other
Speaker 5: thing is we're making the assumption that he and he
Speaker 5: requested and had the inspections done. And I had to
Speaker 5: read through the article, and I think it's possible that,
Speaker 5: in fact, he didn't call for inspections despite the fact
Speaker 5: that he knew that he had to have them done. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 5: So I mean, and this happens, right, and particularly for
Speaker 5: builders that are unscrupulous, they'll go, oh yeah, no inspector
Speaker 5: passed it and that's fine, And this is where I
Speaker 5: have to say, this is a sort of public service announcement.
Speaker 5: One of the really good things with the some councils
Speaker 5: now are increasingly doing electronic inspections right as in everything's
Speaker 5: recorded electronically and at the end of the inspection, they
Speaker 5: complete their report and they email a copy of the
Speaker 5: report to the builder on site, but they can also
Speaker 5: email it directly to the owner of the property, so
Speaker 5: you've got insight into what's going on. I think that's
Speaker 5: really really useful for owners to know that their inspections
Speaker 5: are actually being undertaken as required.
Speaker 11: Ye.
Speaker 5: Well, I guess what would be really interesting is whether
Speaker 5: or not the clients And you've got to feel really
Speaker 5: sorry for them, you know. I mean, this is this
Speaker 5: is this is a guy who's offered up a price
Speaker 5: of one hundred and sixty six thousand dollars I think
Speaker 5: off the top of the head to do two two
Speaker 5: months work. Eighteen months later, and he's caused four hundred
Speaker 5: thousand dollars worth of damage to the house. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: what a shamozzle.
Speaker 18: So look, well, what a thing to have to live for.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, really really frustrating.
Speaker 18: But it's just go ahead, sorry, go ahead, No, no,
Speaker 18: you It just makes it makes people very very weary
Speaker 18: of employing any trades people there. It sort of gives
Speaker 18: all of us a bad name.
Speaker 5: Yep, it does, it does. And you know, all we
Speaker 5: can all we can console ourselves with that is that
Speaker 5: these cases are while they're not completely uncommon, they are
Speaker 5: actually far and few between, right or few and far between.
Speaker 5: So in that sense, I think, you know, most people,
Speaker 5: most builders, most builders, most lbps behave hopefully responsibly and respectfully.
Speaker 5: They get the job done, it's done to a suitable standard,
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera. So these are a bit of
Speaker 5: an out. But I have to say is it's an
Speaker 5: entertaining way to whittle away a couple of hours is
Speaker 5: to go to the LBP website and read through the
Speaker 5: recent determinations to see the what complaints have been laid
Speaker 5: against lbps and whether or not people have been found
Speaker 5: to have breached there either their responsibility as an LBP
Speaker 5: or Now of course we've got the code of ethics right,
Speaker 5: and I think what we're going to see is we
Speaker 5: going to see a lot more cases where lbps are
Speaker 5: bought in front of the disciplinary board for their behavior,
Speaker 5: their ethics rather than the actual building. So that's going
Speaker 5: to be interesting.
Speaker 7: Okay, it was a good article.
Speaker 18: Thanks for enjoy your show.
Speaker 5: My pleasure. It's a pleasure. All the best to you.
Speaker 5: Take care there. I think we might take a quick break.
Speaker 5: I think it feels like that sort of time. We'll
Speaker 5: come back and talk to Alan in just a moment.
Speaker 5: There's a lot more detail to that story that Brett
Speaker 5: was talking about just before, So I've gone back to
Speaker 5: the article that I saw Star News. It's still up
Speaker 5: online obviously, and it relates to a story about a
Speaker 5: builder who took sixteen months to complete what should have
Speaker 5: been a two month job, caused several hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 5: worth of errors in the process, and has been found
Speaker 5: personally liable to pick up the tab So builded by
Speaker 5: the name of Simon Washburne, was hired by a christ
Speaker 5: Church couple to replace parts of their roof as well
Speaker 5: as to replace windows in cladding on their suburban home.
Speaker 5: Quoted them a fixed price of one hundred and sixty
Speaker 5: six thousand dollars and I'm quoting from the article. However,
Speaker 5: a catalog of errors, as the clients described it, ensured
Speaker 5: that over nearly eighteen months this the work blew out
Speaker 5: to Washburn fixing all of the weatherboards incorrectly and installing
Speaker 5: the windows in such way that they leaked. So the
Speaker 5: couple have won a court order from the High Court
Speaker 5: in christ Church that Washburn in this company will pay
Speaker 5: them four hundred thousand dollars to fix the errors that
Speaker 5: he made, as well as thirty thousand dollars in compensation.
Speaker 5: So the person in question Washborn, he worked on it
Speaker 5: as well as having several employees. Errors however, quickly began
Speaker 5: to pile up, including windows installed out of square that
Speaker 5: wouldn't open and leaks developing around other installed windows. There's
Speaker 5: quite a lot more to the article. The other thing
Speaker 5: that I noticed jumps out is that they went on
Speaker 5: to replace a whole lot of the exterior cladding. The
Speaker 5: building surveyor that was called in as an expert witness,
Speaker 5: Rory Crosby as the building survey gave evidence to the
Speaker 5: court that because of the way the weather boards were affixed,
Speaker 5: they were highly unlikely to comply with the building code.
Speaker 5: Because so much of the cladding was removed, consent would
Speaker 5: have been needed rather than it being a like for
Speaker 5: like replacement. As Washburne had claimed, and that is well known,
Speaker 5: well accepted across the industry. So he's given sort of
Speaker 5: poor advice to the owners saying, oh no, we don't
Speaker 5: need a consent for that. That would explain why there
Speaker 5: was no inspection process. And you know, the manufacturer's specification
Speaker 5: is clearly to have this installed on a cavity. He
Speaker 5: made the claim as reported in the Herald or reported
Speaker 5: in the online article, saying that don't worry. You don't
Speaker 5: have to worry about that. I've got complete confidence in
Speaker 5: the product. You just do direct fix. So look, it's
Speaker 5: a pity that the clients themselves didn't seek some advice
Speaker 5: early on when they could see the project blowing out.
Speaker 5: It may not have changed anything. But and the other
Speaker 5: curious thing will be will they see a cent of
Speaker 5: the around four hundred and thirty thousand dollars that this
Speaker 5: person has been ordered to pay? That would be another
Speaker 5: interesting question, right, Ella, good.
Speaker 11: Morning, Oh, good morning. Then I love the show, Thank
Speaker 11: you very r And of course our little garden man
Speaker 11: as well. It was just amazing.
Speaker 5: He's taller than Amaza. Anyway, how can I help my sonny? Mind? Ella?
Speaker 11: Well, I'm ringing it's about what I saw a neighbor
Speaker 11: did in the past. I think in the past fortnight,
Speaker 11: he's got a concret talking roofing. He's got those concrete tiles. Yes,
Speaker 11: he got up and pressure washed it within an inch
Speaker 11: of its legh. I thought I heard you say in
Speaker 11: the last couple of weeks you were talking about similar
Speaker 11: type things and that you need that they could create leaks,
Speaker 11: et cetera, and you'd need to put a coating on top.
Speaker 11: Did I hear that bright or more?
Speaker 5: I'm just yeah, in case so I hear what you're saying. No,
Speaker 5: I think so. What I was talking about in that
Speaker 5: particular instance was some concrete roof tiles that were installed
Speaker 5: I think around nineteen seventy, nineteen sixty seven, right, so
Speaker 5: you know, almost sixty years.
Speaker 11: Ago these would have been put in because I know
Speaker 11: my house, Yes, if we took possession of it in
Speaker 11: eighty two, that they're not that kind of tile that
Speaker 11: might but the concreting one that the guy's got, yeah,
Speaker 11: they would have been. That house was built about a
Speaker 11: year after we took a possession of hours. Yes, we've
Speaker 11: built eighty two.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you know what the comment that I was making,
Speaker 5: is that an older roof like the one that I
Speaker 5: was describing, Chances are the coating that's on the top
Speaker 5: of it would have degraded, would have worn away over time,
Speaker 5: in which case what you left with is a concrete
Speaker 5: tile roof that's exposed, has no coating, and inevitably, if
Speaker 5: you've got a dry piece of concrete and it rains,
Speaker 5: moisture is going to be absorbed into that, right, and
Speaker 5: that would be happening on an old roof. Now, your
Speaker 5: neighbour who's got a concrete tile roof, but it might
Speaker 5: have been installed in the nineteen eighties, it probably still
Speaker 5: has reasonable coating on it, in which case cleaning it
Speaker 5: in the way that you've described is not going to
Speaker 5: shouldn't degrade the coating, shouldn't also get too much moisture
Speaker 5: inside there. However, like I would say, in those instances,
Speaker 5: the best way to clean roofs in that circumstance is
Speaker 5: to use a pre treatment, right, So to use a
Speaker 5: an anti mold or an antibacterial cleaning solution that you
Speaker 5: apply onto the roof, let it activate and start working
Speaker 5: on all of that organic material it's on there, and
Speaker 5: then wash that off. So you know, possibly he could
Speaker 5: have done something better. But what he's doing and what
Speaker 5: I was describing are actually two different things.
Speaker 11: Okay, but he certainly didn't put on something like something
Speaker 11: that you need to get tibet and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a pre washed solution.
Speaker 11: I think through that, yeah, and then the other. But
Speaker 11: he did and honestly he sprayed and sprayed and sprayed.
Speaker 11: They but they have been Wait.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, cleaning the roof is a good idea, but
Speaker 5: you've got to know what you're doing, and you've got
Speaker 5: to do it in such a way that you're not
Speaker 5: going to, you know, either cause damage to the roof
Speaker 5: or use so much water that you're it's going to
Speaker 5: absorb moisture. It will still dry out and chances are
Speaker 5: there will be no ill effect from it. But he's
Speaker 5: probably done a lot of work that he didn't need.
Speaker 11: To do, right, But is there a product if he
Speaker 11: decided he did want to put something on it that.
Speaker 5: Look, there's a whole lot of sort of chemical treatments
Speaker 5: for exterior clean right, and most of them would involve
Speaker 5: an agent that will attack all of that natural growth,
Speaker 5: all that mold and mildew that might grow. So I
Speaker 5: think that that's right, yeah, I would do that.
Speaker 11: It's not the fact that it may have dried out
Speaker 11: to such a state that it is going to become
Speaker 11: I don't think.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, nice view to call all you take
Speaker 5: care and quick one from you, Jan Hello, Hi.
Speaker 8: Oh, Hello, Pete.
Speaker 19: Hi. I sent the picture and.
Speaker 5: I have to say, and I say that with the
Speaker 5: greatest respects. I don't think I've ever seen a spreader
Speaker 5: of such an enormous length in my life.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 19: Well, I've never seen anything like it either. That's why
Speaker 19: I contacted you. But the thing you said, the gutthering
Speaker 19: is probably set too low. So what do I ask
Speaker 19: the roofer to do about this?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Look, that was my and the photograph that you
Speaker 5: sent me is basically heavy rain and the water just
Speaker 5: pouring straight over the top of the spouting and coming
Speaker 5: down in front of the door, right and yep, okay,
Speaker 5: So in that sense, what's happening is the water is
Speaker 5: jumping that front lip of the spouting. And what I
Speaker 5: noticed from the photograph is that from the angle that
Speaker 5: the photograph's taken, you can see the profile at the
Speaker 5: end of all of the roofing sheets. It's not concealed
Speaker 5: by the spouting and typically that's what we would expect
Speaker 5: that you shouldn't really see the end of the roofing sheets.
Speaker 5: That's what the position of the spouting traps. That water
Speaker 5: stops it jumping that front lip of the spouting.
Speaker 20: Oh, I see, yeah, but.
Speaker 5: The challenge. The challenge is, as I can see on
Speaker 5: the photograph as well, that's where the downpipe is, right.
Speaker 5: So if you lift the spouting in that area, you're
Speaker 5: going to end up creating fall that runs away from
Speaker 5: the outlet, in which case you're going to have ponding
Speaker 5: somewhere else. So it becomes an issue where it's almost
Speaker 5: like all of the spouting needs to come off and
Speaker 5: all of it needs to be relaid with the correct fall.
Speaker 5: But you can't do that just by starting at one
Speaker 5: end sometimes, right, So.
Speaker 19: It's not the roofing that's the problem, that's the spouting
Speaker 19: of it.
Speaker 5: I think. So, I mean it might be that it
Speaker 5: wasn't replaced.
Speaker 19: It was just the roofing is all new. And please,
Speaker 19: I can see the profile as you call it, like
Speaker 19: the little scarlets.
Speaker 8: At the end of the roofing.
Speaker 19: Yeah, I can see that everywhere. Actually, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you say the roof was replaced. Is it
Speaker 5: replacing light for like, did you always have corrugated on Okay?
Speaker 19: Yes, and I've never had never had a problem with
Speaker 19: leaking of the spouting above the front door, so it's
Speaker 19: really surprised.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder whether something's changed with the height of
Speaker 5: the Yeah, the issue is the height of the Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think that the issue is with the spouting. So
Speaker 5: and that particular type of spouting. You might be able
Speaker 5: to disconnect it and reuse most of it. You might
Speaker 5: have to replaces here and there. So it's I think
Speaker 5: the only answer is redo the spouting.
Speaker 19: Okay, So that's not a disaster. I need that it
Speaker 19: always been all right before. Yeah, spouting, the routine has
Speaker 19: been replaced, but not the spouting. That's trying to say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a bit unusual, but that'll be the solution.
Speaker 19: They should be able to fix it without too much
Speaker 19: drama then.
Speaker 5: Hopefully hopefully lovely. All right, thanks, Okay, you take care
Speaker 5: right over, We're going to take short break and we're
Speaker 5: going to talk to Tim Pearson straight after the break.
Speaker 5: Today we're going to take a bit of a deep
Speaker 5: dive into tribal TGV. Now I've used it the one
Speaker 5: that I used. Four hundred wide panel comes in two
Speaker 5: lengths two point four or three point seven to four
Speaker 5: to oh long and it boasts a fifteen millimeter thickness.
Speaker 5: It's got MDF on both outer layers and it's got
Speaker 5: a strand care in a layer. Another person who's used
Speaker 5: it as Tim Pearson, a builder from Lowburn in North
Speaker 5: Canterbury who's been incorporating Tribal TGV into several of his projects.
Speaker 5: I understand that you designed and built your own home
Speaker 5: got creative using tribald TGV. And then Lance fitz Morris,
Speaker 5: who's Duke in South Island sales rep said that you
Speaker 5: were on the hunt for a durable lining solution discovered
Speaker 5: tribal TGV on a Lake Ohause story from Archie Pro.
Speaker 5: So the key advantage is for you for TGV from triboard.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 20: After seeing that icle on the triboard, I talked to
Speaker 20: crime into using it on a large rating ceiling and
Speaker 20: I've gotten impressed how it went together and its durability
Speaker 20: and there's no need for any subtraits, so like a
Speaker 20: jib supper and it looks really good. So we ended
Speaker 20: up using it on our.
Speaker 5: Own home in terms of the installation process for triboard
Speaker 5: TGV compared to other materials, what's it like in terms
Speaker 5: of time complexity? And also tell me about the fixing process.
Speaker 20: Yeah, I found it pretty quick and easy to install.
Speaker 20: So I cuddle the boards using a plunge saw because
Speaker 20: the triboard t you see, it's four hinted white and
Speaker 20: you can't really use a drop saw because it's didn't
Speaker 20: cut that wide. So I made a square of an
Speaker 20: old track for the plunge saw, and I found that
Speaker 20: quick and efficient way to cut it. And I could
Speaker 20: also do miters on the external corners of that plunge saw,
Speaker 20: so I ended up gluing and secret nailing it through
Speaker 20: the tongue, so that cuts out lots of filling and
Speaker 20: sanding of holes. And because the boards are only faunt
Speaker 20: and wide, they're quite easy for one person to do
Speaker 20: the installation. And there was very little waste compared to
Speaker 20: plus board, and all the off cuts were used in
Speaker 20: a log burner.
Speaker 5: That's fantastic. Now, which lengths of triboard TGV did you
Speaker 5: choose for your projects and what was the thinking behind that.
Speaker 20: Well, in a skillion roof in our place, and we
Speaker 20: ran the boards vertically, so I designed the house for
Speaker 20: it with that board length and mind, so the internal
Speaker 20: walls were now higher than three seven forty and it
Speaker 20: worked out really all the off cuts use under the
Speaker 20: windows or above doors or boltcats, so it's very little wasist.
Speaker 5: And what did you do in terms of treating the
Speaker 5: tryboard TGV? Any tips for people considering?
Speaker 20: So we primed the boards both sides for installation and
Speaker 20: been careful not to put too much paint in the
Speaker 20: groove of the tone. And before we fitted our ceiling plow,
Speaker 20: we sprayed the tryboard. Once it was fitted, and we've
Speaker 20: done three coats and we sanded between the coats. But
Speaker 20: you can use a roller and a brushed it into
Speaker 20: the grooves as well.
Speaker 5: So it sounds like you didn't just use it in
Speaker 5: the house. But you've also got the classic man Cave
Speaker 5: project going on and a client opted for a natural
Speaker 5: try board. Look, what were the key takeaways from that project?
Speaker 8: Yeah, the pride.
Speaker 20: Board there was a perfect product for the man cave
Speaker 20: is still flaming, so if you use plywood, we would
Speaker 20: have had to wing out all the edges for the
Speaker 20: play so that the TGV being long, we need a
Speaker 20: very little blocking, and I use hard and steel breads
Speaker 20: and glue. The direct fix it to steel framing so
Speaker 20: it saved a lot of time. And the tring it
Speaker 20: for durable surface. And his man cave so you can
Speaker 20: fix his rugby jersey's up and dark board in that
Speaker 20: and screw anything to the walls anywhere you want it.
Speaker 20: It's really tough.
Speaker 5: Hey, so you're obviously a fan. Have you got any
Speaker 5: other upcoming projects? Will you'll be using triboard TGV again.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 20: I'm building a client's batch over at Lake Brunner and
Speaker 20: we're not going to use any class sport on the
Speaker 20: house at all. It's all going to be a TGZ
Speaker 20: and the walls and the garage and it's got a
Speaker 20: loft above the garage and it's got really tight access
Speaker 20: so the triboard only being forward of mill is wide,
Speaker 20: it's really easy to get up into that tight space.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's brilliant. I've used it on a small cabin
Speaker 5: that I built as well and did a similar thing
Speaker 5: walls and ceiling like you pre primed it, gave it
Speaker 5: a sand, put it up too, top coats and it does.
Speaker 5: It looks fantastic and it's got that durability, I think,
Speaker 5: which is what we've all come to appreciate from Triyboard.
Speaker 5: Tim all the very best with that upcoming project and
Speaker 5: thanks for your time this morning. Than thanks, Peter, pleasure,
Speaker 5: delightful guy. Tim. And just outside of christ Jets there
Speaker 5: and the j and our product that we're talking about
Speaker 5: there is Triyboard, which is Triboard TGV. So there are
Speaker 5: four hundred wide panels and I did. I put it
Speaker 5: up in a little cabin that we built a couple
Speaker 5: of years ago. And yeah, it's a very useful product.
Speaker 5: I can tell you that, oh eight one hundred and
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty the number to call Craig talk to
Speaker 5: me about showers.
Speaker 13: Yeah, also a quickly a friend mine is a border
Speaker 13: and in some of that triboard left over actually now
Speaker 13: turned it into bookshelves.
Speaker 5: A brilliant actually, I've made bookshelves out of it as well.
Speaker 5: In fact, my work bench, I've got my old workshop right.
Speaker 5: I had the traditional sort of carpenter's bench, you know,
Speaker 5: two bits of timber and then a lower piece in
Speaker 5: the middle, you know, like you had it would work school.
Speaker 5: And then about it was twenty odd years ago I
Speaker 5: put a bit of twenty one mile triboard on the
Speaker 5: top of it, right, because I wanted a flat surface,
Speaker 5: and I'm still using it, and I cut it, and
Speaker 5: I grind on it, and I sand on it, and
Speaker 5: I chisel on it and all the rest of it.
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, in another couple of years, i might
Speaker 5: flip it over and I'll keep another twenty years.
Speaker 8: Out of it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, the other side, yeah, yeah, anyway, right, showers.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, freemment. I'm just forget the behalf of appearance.
Speaker 13: I'm going to shower. Put in one of these free
Speaker 13: standing ones. Yeah, you know, like the weather glass doors
Speaker 13: and all. They're about probably ten years ago, yep. And
Speaker 13: there were saying, well, you notice when you pops in
Speaker 13: the show and now the shore sometimes before is a
Speaker 13: bit of a squeak in it. Yep, it doesn't leak.
Speaker 13: And I'm just thinking, I'm pretty seen under those they
Speaker 13: have like a foam, like a polystreine, fine thing, and
Speaker 13: don't they some of.
Speaker 5: Them might, Like I installed one about two years ago
Speaker 5: that didn't have the foam. It just had a whole
Speaker 5: series of rings. And the real challenge is because what
Speaker 5: you want them to do is to have a decent
Speaker 5: beat of adhesive under there, right, so you don't get squeaking.
Speaker 5: Over time, you apply the ceilant to the underside of
Speaker 5: the tray and then as you drop it down sometimes
Speaker 5: the ceilant comes off, and you know it's like it's
Speaker 5: tricky to do getting rid of that squeak. Kind of
Speaker 5: tricky because you know, how do you like, is it
Speaker 5: a timber floor. Could you get underneath and squirt some more? Okay?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I said there was probably just general movement. After time,
Speaker 13: he's not worried about he's asked about it. I said,
Speaker 13: it's probably just everything sibling and it's nothing. It's not leaking,
Speaker 13: so there's not leaking. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 5: And I think that that's very wise advice. If it's
Speaker 5: not leaking, just leave it. It might be a little
Speaker 5: bit annoying, and I know it feels a bit funny,
Speaker 5: you know, the shower tray moving around, that sort of thing,
Speaker 5: But in general, I think it'll be fine.
Speaker 13: It's just in a basement, so so they don't use
Speaker 13: it pretty often. Just he's got a he does a
Speaker 13: lot of wood working with lab and there down the basement,
Speaker 13: so he does the little bowls and stuff from that
Speaker 13: for hobbies and that nice. It's a shout to sort
Speaker 13: of show before it comes up and Mom goes, what
Speaker 13: you bring. It's just a clean off. But you see
Speaker 13: he's noticed that it squeaks a bit, probably this movement
Speaker 13: with over time. He goes, it's not leaking. I see
Speaker 13: it was not leaking. Don't It's kind of like I've
Speaker 13: always been brought up. If it does, it was not broken.
Speaker 13: Don't drive into it could cause more problems.
Speaker 5: I'm laughing because I love the fact that, you know,
Speaker 5: he can go and have a quick shower downstairs. Because
Speaker 5: I came back from doing a job the other day
Speaker 5: and you know when and walked, came and took my
Speaker 5: boots off, went into the bathroom, uh you know, stripped off,
Speaker 5: jumped in the shower, and then I was tidying up afterwards,
Speaker 5: and these these bits of grass and depre all over
Speaker 5: the bathroom floor. And that'd be awesome to be able
Speaker 5: to strip off outside and have a shower before you
Speaker 5: come inside the house. That's great. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 5: love that, all right, that's awesome.
Speaker 13: That's what I thought it was. I thought moving a.
Speaker 5: Little bit annoying, but I leave well enough alone. All
Speaker 5: right mate, all the best you Craig. You take care.
Speaker 5: Actually someone suggested it could be the shower is rubbing
Speaker 5: against the bottom plate, because often when these are installed,
Speaker 5: you actually cut out the lining around the base of
Speaker 5: the shower so that the shower is recessed in underneath
Speaker 5: the wall, lining, plaster board, whatever it's going to be,
Speaker 5: and sometimes that can rub at that point. So thank
Speaker 5: you very much for that as well. Jim, good morning.
Speaker 4: Get two things. The woman that it's got the problems, Yes,
Speaker 4: the water going over the top. She couldn't put something
Speaker 4: on the in the gather to list the heights of
Speaker 4: the outside, you know, instead of.
Speaker 5: I know what you're saying. It like a little shield
Speaker 5: or something like that that directs. Yeah, but it's all
Speaker 5: about Hoki.
Speaker 4: A yeah, it is right, yep, yeah.
Speaker 5: Let's stay away from Hoky.
Speaker 4: The other thing is I've got a growth on the
Speaker 4: corrugated iron roof. It is shaded by trees. I'd call itchen.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's right or not, but it's
Speaker 4: very flat on the roof. What can I spray it
Speaker 4: with to get it off?
Speaker 5: To be fair, I've heard that wit and Forget works
Speaker 5: really well on it.
Speaker 4: All right, yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 5: Then you know you know that it's not going to
Speaker 5: cause other problems in a major way, yep. So yeah,
Speaker 5: spray it with that if you're using the water for drinking,
Speaker 5: like if you've got water tanks. No otherwise no bi
Speaker 5: all accounts works really well. And I've got the same thing,
Speaker 5: a little awning roof that's got some clear light on
Speaker 5: it back porch and it's got a bit of liken
Speaker 5: on it. I've applied it and it's gone so okay, yes, okay,
Speaker 5: take care I see it then. And Chris a very
Speaker 5: good morning.
Speaker 21: Oh good morning, Pete.
Speaker 5: How are you very well in yourself?
Speaker 21: We had a house built for us by a building
Speaker 21: company about two and a half years ago. We were
Speaker 21: going to move the house to right on the beach
Speaker 21: up here in the farm. Also, of course, it was
Speaker 21: all stainless steel fixings, et cetera. The hardy plank, the
Speaker 21: seven mill hardy plank that's on the house. We supposedly
Speaker 21: use stainles steel flat head to hold it, hold it together, yes,
Speaker 21: and then painted. Now two and a half years down
Speaker 21: the track, I'm starting to see all rusty nail heads
Speaker 21: coming through the paint now might this be that one?
Speaker 21: They may have used galve clouds to hold the hardy
Speaker 21: board on, or it's had too little paint put on it.
Speaker 21: We suspect that it's in a very you know, like
Speaker 21: maybe just a single top coat.
Speaker 20: On the house.
Speaker 21: How can I fix these rusty nail heads on these?
Speaker 21: And is it the rest of the house as well?
Speaker 21: Just that I'm looking out at the moment.
Speaker 5: It would be interesting perhaps to try and go to
Speaker 5: an area that's you know, not well trafficked and see
Speaker 5: if you could pull a nail out to determine exactly
Speaker 5: what it was, you know, so you could just scratch
Speaker 5: the head of the nail. Right, So it's a flathead, right,
Speaker 5: So go to an area with a bit of sandpaper,
Speaker 5: send it back and see whether or not it is
Speaker 5: actually a stainless steel flathead, or whether it is in
Speaker 5: fact a galvanized flathead. Now galvanized flathead might actually be compliant,
Speaker 5: but inevitably.
Speaker 21: The zone heavy the spray zone we're in, which and
Speaker 21: it was specified in that.
Speaker 5: Hardy place, Okay, if it was specified. Now I'm going
Speaker 5: to have to go to stay on the line because
Speaker 5: I want to crash into the news like I usually do.
Speaker 5: We're back straight after the break Ruddio, Good morning, Welcome
Speaker 5: back to the program. We're just going to wrap up
Speaker 5: the conversation with Chris that we started before the news
Speaker 5: at eight o'clock. So, Chris, I'm wondering whether you you
Speaker 5: mentioned that obviously the work had a consent, in which
Speaker 5: case what was specified is what's required to have been used.
Speaker 5: What will be curious to find out is are the
Speaker 5: nails that have been used for the fixing of the
Speaker 5: siding stainless dealers specified or perhaps if they use galvanized.
Speaker 5: If they've used galvanized, then that becomes a really big
Speaker 5: problem for the person that nailed all of that siding
Speaker 5: on because I think you'd make a good case to say, actually,
Speaker 5: you've got to come and replace them, or at least
Speaker 5: come and treat all of the nails that are there,
Speaker 5: so you know, even like I've noticed, if sometimes when
Speaker 5: you're using galvanized fixings right, because you're pounding on the
Speaker 5: top of them, it does tend to break down a
Speaker 5: little bit of the galvanizing, so it exposes a bit
Speaker 5: of the metal. That's not unusual saying that, and it's
Speaker 5: a bit of a frustration I've used stainless steel pins
Speaker 5: in a like a finishing gun for putting on trim outside,
Speaker 5: and I've noticed they've rusted, So you know what standard
Speaker 5: of stainless steel to be fair, I bought some stuff.
Speaker 5: I'm not even go there, so it's a long story.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 21: So at the moment, how do I there's about twenty
Speaker 21: or so nails on the south side of the house, yep,
Speaker 21: and like we washed the house down once a month
Speaker 21: because we live.
Speaker 5: About fantastic from the beach.
Speaker 11: Yes, and.
Speaker 21: I've noticed that the nails and the site are also
Speaker 21: starting to show that rust. So is it that paint
Speaker 21: put on or is it that they've cheaked out?
Speaker 5: I look, I saw the other day someone had fixed
Speaker 5: five er cent safite sheet with jib clouds. Okay, right,
Speaker 5: so I'm hoping that we're not going to go down
Speaker 5: that path with your job. But you know, I have
Speaker 5: seen that sort of thing, and you know, while they
Speaker 5: have some corrosion resistance, they're not designed for outside.
Speaker 21: Can I approach the building company that built this house
Speaker 21: for us?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think so, but it's probably worth getting someone else
Speaker 5: to do a bit of due diligence for you. So
Speaker 5: maybe another experienced builder or a building surveyor to come
Speaker 5: have a look. So I expose the nail head and
Speaker 5: see whether it's actually stainless.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: If it's not stainless and it should have been, then
Speaker 5: that's a problem for the contractor not following the specifications.
Speaker 5: If it is stainless and it's still corroding, then maybe
Speaker 5: that's an issue for the manufacturer or the supplier of
Speaker 5: the product. Is this really up to spec Let's say
Speaker 5: you've got the whole house, it's all been fixed off
Speaker 5: with galvanized flatheads that maybe should have been stainless. Then
Speaker 5: I would say it's probably going to be a case
Speaker 5: of getting the contractor to come through, expose the heads
Speaker 5: of all of the nails, some of the nails, apply
Speaker 5: a rust kill treatment to them, and then repaint the house.
Speaker 5: And if they can't get the patching right, then it's
Speaker 5: a repaint of the entire thing, not just the individual
Speaker 5: nails in the area around them.
Speaker 21: Yeah, but it.
Speaker 5: Should it should last more than it has.
Speaker 21: Yeah, a building company name the name, but they apparently
Speaker 21: they had an LBP that came on site from time
Speaker 21: to time to check up like they do and signed
Speaker 21: it off. I've got the name of the guy because
Speaker 21: there was some problem with some of the framing to internally,
Speaker 21: which I approached him and he was okay about that. Yes,
Speaker 21: but also obviously a house should have an undercoat and
Speaker 21: two top coats on. That would be industry standards.
Speaker 5: I would say, so yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 21: So can I take we think very much that it's
Speaker 21: only had one coat of top coat on it. Can
Speaker 21: I take a piece of the paint to someone like
Speaker 21: Razine to see how thick the paint is that's been
Speaker 21: put on?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's it's there's laboratory testing for that, so it's
Speaker 5: quite a process. But yes, I believe that you could.
Speaker 5: Now quick tip before we go, because I've got an
Speaker 5: interview to do. Easy way to check for stainless steels
Speaker 5: is with a magnet. If it sticks, it ain't stainless,
Speaker 5: that's well. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 5: I love the teks all the best, mate, Thank you
Speaker 5: very much for your call. Now I'm delighted to welcome
Speaker 5: to the show this morning. Someone who's I read an
Speaker 5: article written by Storm some weeks ago and thought and
Speaker 5: they've had a number of conversations about ventilation. So Storm
Speaker 5: harp them a very good morning and welcome to the show.
Speaker 22: Good morning today morning.
Speaker 5: I'm very well, So let's talk ventilation, which I think
Speaker 5: in all of the ten years of doing the show,
Speaker 5: I've never had a ventilation expert on, so I'm kind
Speaker 5: of excited. And where I wanted to start is what
Speaker 5: is ventilation? And how is it that we've sort of
Speaker 5: got to a place where suddenly ventilation isn't just opening
Speaker 5: the windows anymore.
Speaker 22: Yeah, Look, it's an excellent question, and for those of
Speaker 22: us in the ventilation industry, we do wish it had
Speaker 22: been that ten years ago. But the honest answer is
Speaker 22: ventilation is moving into and out of us. So if
Speaker 22: they've be air and air out, and you're probably at
Speaker 22: first phrases like clean air and fairlier out, but the
Speaker 22: actual practice of ventilation can be done in a whole
Speaker 22: lot of ways, which is probably why we've not not
Speaker 22: really talked about it too much in the past. And
Speaker 22: also you asked the question, and it's a really good one.
Speaker 22: How is it that we're only really coming to discuss
Speaker 22: it now and with such urgency? And the reason for
Speaker 22: that is we're building differently and we're living differently. But
Speaker 22: I don't want to accuse just the building differently that
Speaker 22: I've got to be really careful of that because some
Speaker 22: people are going, well, it's because we're building differently. Ventilation
Speaker 22: has always been a problem. We're just noticing it more
Speaker 22: now because it's turning up in our lives physically.
Speaker 5: And I think part of that is kind of if
Speaker 5: we take an analytical view of the type of houses
Speaker 5: that we have built for so long in New Zealand.
Speaker 5: So you know my house, I'm in an old villa.
Speaker 5: It's got no well, it never had any building paper.
Speaker 5: It's got lots of drafts and cracks and that sort
Speaker 5: of thing. In a sense, it's kind of accidental ventilation.
Speaker 5: It's drafty, right, and so it kind of ventilates itself,
Speaker 5: but not in any controllable way. Whereas today, if we've
Speaker 5: got a concrete slab, we've got timber framing, we've got
Speaker 5: either a rigid wrap or a tape around or a
Speaker 5: flexible barrier around. We've got a roof with an underlay,
Speaker 5: we've got aluminium jewelery that should be well sealed. Those
Speaker 5: sorts of things we're not air tight. And I'm very
Speaker 5: conscious about not claiming that our houses are air tight,
Speaker 5: because that's a very specific phrase and so on. But
Speaker 5: increasingly they're not as drafty as they used to be,
Speaker 5: so ventilation suddenly becomes something you actually need to do
Speaker 5: rather than it happening accidentally.
Speaker 22: Absolutely, and you've kind of hit the nail on the heads.
Speaker 22: There was the old villas. Yes, they were a little
Speaker 22: bit drafty.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 22: You can go into an old villa, but your hand
Speaker 22: next to the joy in the window and you can
Speaker 22: feel the ear moving, and that's moving because the wind
Speaker 22: pressure or the wind on the outside of the building
Speaker 22: has created what we call the pressure differential or kind
Speaker 22: of like a heavier side of the building and a
Speaker 22: lighter side of the building, and the air wants to
Speaker 22: roll down hills. So you've got this this natural air movement.
Speaker 22: But also in old villas, you had other planned gaps.
Speaker 22: Did you have a fireplace in your place?
Speaker 18: We do, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 22: So that's got a chimney and that's not blocked off.
Speaker 22: It's got a high and low windows, so you'll have
Speaker 22: the windows right up the top that you can open
Speaker 22: up to get air moving. When you've got heat at
Speaker 22: the top and cooler ear down the bottom, and it'll
Speaker 22: shift air out of the house. So we even designed
Speaker 22: and oriented our buildings differently as well. So we did
Speaker 22: build a lot differently and we started putting you've got
Speaker 22: the concerte slab now, and you've got well sealed windows.
Speaker 22: You're not going to get those drafts through them anymore.
Speaker 22: And we're also using different like rigid air barreas on
Speaker 22: the outside of our buildings have a different We call
Speaker 22: it vapor permeability, which is basically how much moisture can
Speaker 22: can move through a material. So our whole house is
Speaker 22: using different materials, different construction methods, and you know, we
Speaker 22: don't want to say it's air tightness or you're tight anymore,
Speaker 22: but we're definitely not getting natural air movements, not in
Speaker 22: the same way in words.
Speaker 5: That even I can understand. Could you try and explain
Speaker 5: to me vapor permeability, because it's a concept that I'm
Speaker 5: beginning to get my head around, but I'm still staggered
Speaker 5: in a sense by the notion that vapor in air
Speaker 5: can migrate through us. What I think is a solid surface,
Speaker 5: my exterior wall.
Speaker 22: Well, let's use something that's not quite a solid surface.
Speaker 22: And I've ended up with tetwel so so there with me.
Speaker 22: You know, you get a kind of maybe a cheap
Speaker 22: new tea towel and you put water on and the
Speaker 22: water on it yep, and then a different tea tail
Speaker 22: with a different wave will allow that water to sink
Speaker 22: and faster and potentially drop through. Now, eventually both surfaces
Speaker 22: soak that water up, but that wave, that kind of
Speaker 22: whole construction of that material causes a different reaction. So
Speaker 22: what happens with a fermiability is it's a little bit
Speaker 22: like that. I'm going sideways to kind of get to
Speaker 22: the point. But is that water that's in our ear
Speaker 22: and we have water in our air all of the time.
Speaker 22: We can't see it, and it's healthy a lot of
Speaker 22: the time. It's a healthy amount of amount of water
Speaker 22: and out. Yeah, but it pushes against those exterior surfaces,
Speaker 22: and those surfaces are prepared to take on a little
Speaker 22: bit of that moisture, kind of like clothes in your wardrobe, right,
Speaker 22: you've got dipped them in the part, but if you've
Speaker 22: got a damp house, you might find mold in your wardrobe.
Speaker 22: And so that ear is pushing against those surfaces, and
Speaker 22: different materials have different call it weaves because it's you
Speaker 22: for ttail example, and essentially that moisture can migrate into
Speaker 22: the surface. And so in our older styles we had
Speaker 22: we had a kind of a looser weave of material
Speaker 22: and now we've got a solid one.
Speaker 5: Is that Yeah? No, absolutely, And then you point you
Speaker 5: started to talk there about mold, because this is something
Speaker 5: that I was doing a presentation yesterday and in various
Speaker 5: brand surveys and housing condition surveys, you know, close to
Speaker 5: half of New Zealanders report having mold on the inside
Speaker 5: of their houses. Ventilation and mold. What's the correlation.
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's it's all about the moisture in the air
Speaker 22: that so I talked before about we've all got moisture
Speaker 22: in the air, and we'll we normally have it in
Speaker 22: there and you'll see it on your weather applot percentage
Speaker 22: relative humidity, So you might have over summer we get
Speaker 22: up eighty only sims up in Auckland.
Speaker 7: We're not.
Speaker 22: It's a lot drier down in Queenstown. And then there's
Speaker 22: this healthy amount of moisture that's sitting between about forty
Speaker 22: to sixty percent relative humidity. And I'll stress the relative
Speaker 22: because relative humidity is actually it's a percentage based on
Speaker 22: the temperture of your ear. So the air warms up,
Speaker 22: the relative humidity goes down, even if you don't change
Speaker 22: the moisture contents. But you've got this moisture sitting in
Speaker 22: your ear and we're trapped in these these boxes, and
Speaker 22: they are only beautiful boxes, which you've got a good artist.
Speaker 22: And we're trapped in these boxes. And we've been breathing,
Speaker 22: we've been cooking, and we've been cleaning, and we've been showering,
Speaker 22: and hopefully we've used our extractor fans, but we've generated
Speaker 22: a certain moisture level that's not left the space. And
Speaker 22: the longer those surfaces that close in your wardrobe, you're
Speaker 22: building materials. The corners stay at a high humidity level
Speaker 22: and it's somewhere between. It's about eighty percent normally over time.
Speaker 22: But even the longer it stays with that moisture, the
Speaker 22: more likely you are to get mold. And the temperature
Speaker 22: doesn't matter. It's all about that moisture.
Speaker 5: Right, And the most efficient way of removing that moisture
Speaker 5: from our environment is through extraction.
Speaker 22: The most efficient way to get specific moisture, so range
Speaker 22: should for your cooking. It's a big grader. In our home.
Speaker 22: You must do about three liters a day. It's another
Speaker 22: Brands bit of Brands research there through cooking in your home,
Speaker 22: and you've got another one and a half liters the
Speaker 22: persons per shower. So as long as you've got those
Speaker 22: extractions and they're working, and I want to stress that
Speaker 22: they're working, then you should be removing the bulk of
Speaker 22: the moisture. But what's really interesting is our breathing actually
Speaker 22: creates a lot of moisture as well. We don't have
Speaker 22: an extraction fan following us around home, so I think
Speaker 22: three liters of from cooking, we actually get three liters
Speaker 22: of moisture just from breathing in your home, and yet
Speaker 22: we've got a fan specifically to remove the cooking moisture
Speaker 22: and nothing to remove what we're generating. So ventilation is
Speaker 22: really really critical because we've got to bring in that
Speaker 22: clean air which is at a lower humidity level, lower
Speaker 22: lower moisture level and remove the bad ear. And if
Speaker 22: we're not changing it over, it does stay trapped in
Speaker 22: our house with us, and in our new builds it
Speaker 22: stays trapped more because yes, air tightness is one thing,
Speaker 22: but air tightness is important for power savings as well.
Speaker 22: So I would wouldn't stop doing that. But also we
Speaker 22: have less windows, we have less opportunity to cross slow
Speaker 22: to a crossloads where air can move from one side,
Speaker 22: that pressure difference where wants to go down, air can
Speaker 22: move from one side of the house to the other.
Speaker 22: We shut our internal doors, so you've only got windows
Speaker 22: on one side. Anyway, it's noisy outside and without having
Speaker 22: their air movements through the house, that moisture builds up,
Speaker 22: particularly in corners with their movements, and you get your
Speaker 22: mold fnaing.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: My guest? This morning is storm happen and we have
Speaker 5: been talking about ventilation. I wish I could show you
Speaker 5: the texts that are coming in because people have started
Speaker 5: to ask all of these questions about hang on, how
Speaker 5: does this arrive? And why is that happening? And what
Speaker 5: about if the temperature outsides this and it's inside is that?
Speaker 5: And so on? So I think, to be fair, I
Speaker 5: would love to have you back and then we can
Speaker 5: kind of continue to sort of unpack this thing. And
Speaker 5: I guess what I find fascinating about the discussion over
Speaker 5: the last couple of years is something that we've assumed
Speaker 5: is kind of just happening all of the time, and
Speaker 5: it works because we're building differently, which is good. We
Speaker 5: now have to be a lot more active in the
Speaker 5: management of ventilation. I know you're active in terms of,
Speaker 5: you know, a sort of a lobby group, let's say,
Speaker 5: or an advocacy group for this. Where if someone wanted
Speaker 5: to start reading something that's digestible but evidence based around ventilation,
Speaker 5: where's a good place to start.
Speaker 22: Oh, that's a really good question. Without wanting to just
Speaker 22: kind of push you towards what we've done. We've got
Speaker 22: a few articles that we've published trying to go back
Speaker 22: to the basic So what is moisture, where is the
Speaker 22: humidity coming from? How do I control it in my home?
Speaker 22: What types of ventilation systems should I use? So we've
Speaker 22: got those on the blogs on smartvent website, but also
Speaker 22: Brands has some really really good resources on ventilation. There's
Speaker 22: some resources out from if you look at advice from
Speaker 22: the Building Council, they've got a design guide and actually
Speaker 22: there's some urban design guys as well for Auckland and
Speaker 22: other other parts of the country where they talk about ventilation,
Speaker 22: some of them will talk about windows and how to
Speaker 22: use windows. But we have t windows correctly, so really
Speaker 22: really look at what that means, because a lot of
Speaker 22: people go, oh, can't they just open the window? Well, yes,
Speaker 22: if you're there, to open it and you're going to
Speaker 22: get the right amount of flow and the winds right
Speaker 22: and the noise isn't too loud. Yes, So yeah, but
Speaker 22: online has some really great resources.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be fantastic. Storm. I really appreciate your time
Speaker 5: and your expertise, and we will because next time we
Speaker 5: get you on I think we'll open the lines for
Speaker 5: text questions and go through some of the stuff. And
Speaker 5: then also this whole issue around ventilation systems, because there's
Speaker 5: lots of them on the market. Now, which one's going
Speaker 5: to work best for you? What's negative pressure, what's balanced pressure,
Speaker 5: what's positive pressure? What does it all mean? We'll unpack
Speaker 5: that with Storm and our next conversation. Thank you very
Speaker 5: much for your time this morning, brilliant. Thanks, it's pleasure
Speaker 5: all the best, Storm Harp And like I say, a
Speaker 5: few actually LinkedIn had a couple of articles that Storm
Speaker 5: wrote which are very very good as well, that's where
Speaker 5: I first sort of started reading what she's been writing
Speaker 5: about ventilation, which is a big issue, and I think
Speaker 5: it's going to be all of the talk at the
Speaker 5: moment about New Zealand housing and houses overheating and houses sweeting,
Speaker 5: and all of these sorts of things all end up
Speaker 5: coming back or being linked into ventilation and what we
Speaker 5: do about good air quality inside our houses. So really
Speaker 5: looking forward to continuing the conversation, speaking about conversations. Let's
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