WEBVTT - The Resident Builder podcast: September 15, 2024 0:00:06.855 --> 0:00:10.055 You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter 0:00:10.135 --> 0:00:12.055 wolf Camp from News Talks at Bay. 0:00:19.255 --> 0:00:24.695 A house is a hole even when it stars, even 0:00:24.735 --> 0:00:29.935 when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when 0:00:29.975 --> 0:00:34.175 the dog is too old to bar, and when you're 0:00:34.215 --> 0:00:40.255 sitting at the table trying not to start and scissor home, 0:00:41.375 --> 0:00:45.295 even when weave a band ball, even. 0:00:45.015 --> 0:01:00.335 When you're there alone. A house is a hole, even 0:01:00.375 --> 0:01:05.095 when those goes, even when you got around from the world. 0:01:05.175 --> 0:01:06.255 You love you more. 0:01:08.055 --> 0:01:10.895 Streams being in fund. 0:01:13.135 --> 0:01:15.375 Locals, Vesta when they're going the. 0:01:17.135 --> 0:01:24.895 House, even when we ban, even when you're. 0:01:24.615 --> 0:01:25.695 In there alone. 0:01:34.735 --> 0:01:36.775 Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the 0:01:36.815 --> 0:01:39.895 Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me Peak wolf Camp, 0:01:40.015 --> 0:01:44.375 the Resident Builder, and we are talking all things building construction. 0:01:44.655 --> 0:01:48.055 It's it's the legislation, it's the products, it's the assembly, 0:01:48.135 --> 0:01:52.495 it's the disassembly. We can talk demolition and demolition, waste 0:01:52.575 --> 0:01:56.255 and waste minimization and the carbonize. My head is a 0:01:56.295 --> 0:01:59.095 little bit full because I was in Wellington yesterday. It's 0:01:59.095 --> 0:02:01.975 not full because I was in Wellington, but I was 0:02:02.055 --> 0:02:05.295 working on a little presentation around wide is Good matter 0:02:06.055 --> 0:02:08.895 and it was prompted by a bit of thinking over 0:02:08.895 --> 0:02:12.295 the last couple of weeks or months, I guess around, 0:02:12.415 --> 0:02:17.015 you know, sort of justifying and arguing for better building practice, 0:02:17.055 --> 0:02:21.695 like why does it actually matter to build better? So yeah, 0:02:21.815 --> 0:02:24.735 a head full of ideas. Anyway, Good morning, welcome along 0:02:24.735 --> 0:02:27.455 to the show. Trust that you're well and hope it's 0:02:27.495 --> 0:02:29.695 been a good week. Looking forward to chatting with you 0:02:29.775 --> 0:02:33.735 this morning about all things building and construction. We're also 0:02:33.815 --> 0:02:38.175 going to introduce a I suppose a new expert guest 0:02:38.335 --> 0:02:41.335 to the lineup this morning as well, so after eight 0:02:41.375 --> 0:02:46.895 o'clock will take some time to talk about ventilation. And 0:02:46.935 --> 0:02:49.335 I guess the reason I wanted to bring up ventilation 0:02:49.455 --> 0:02:52.055 and talk about it very specifically is a lot of 0:02:52.095 --> 0:02:56.295 discussion about ventilating houses. Correctly, given that most of our 0:02:56.335 --> 0:03:00.895 houses don't sort of ventilate incidentally and accidentally like they 0:03:01.015 --> 0:03:03.375 might have done in the past, we're talking about houses 0:03:03.415 --> 0:03:06.535 that are increasingly air tight, still a long way from 0:03:06.575 --> 0:03:09.655 sort of passive house standard air tightness, but increasingly airtight 0:03:10.175 --> 0:03:15.815 and air quality and indoor air quality controlling moisture, controlling mold, 0:03:15.855 --> 0:03:18.855 these sorts of things are really really important in our houses. 0:03:18.895 --> 0:03:23.295 So Storm Harpham, who I met, I was introduced to 0:03:23.335 --> 0:03:26.735 her actually through a LinkedIn article a couple of months 0:03:26.735 --> 0:03:30.535 ago where it was a rebuttal let's say, to the 0:03:30.815 --> 0:03:34.375 proposed changes to wind back the new H one changes. 0:03:34.935 --> 0:03:38.175 And I read through the article and I thought, gosh, 0:03:38.215 --> 0:03:42.535 this is really technical information presented in a way that 0:03:42.655 --> 0:03:47.295 is quite digestible for most of us, myself included. Anyway, 0:03:47.295 --> 0:03:49.495 we've talked on a number of occasions. I've sought her 0:03:49.575 --> 0:03:51.855 advice on a couple of issues around sort of mold 0:03:52.095 --> 0:03:56.295 and mildew inside a property that I look after. And 0:03:56.335 --> 0:03:58.575 so I'm going to bring her onto the show today 0:03:58.815 --> 0:04:01.495 at around just after eight o'clock this morning. So Storm 0:04:01.855 --> 0:04:06.815 Harpham is we're going to talk all things of ventilation, specifically. 0:04:06.855 --> 0:04:09.855 If you've got any specific questions on that, you feel 0:04:09.895 --> 0:04:12.815 free to send them through now. Otherwise I've already got 0:04:12.815 --> 0:04:15.575 a whole heap of questions for here. Up until then, 0:04:15.695 --> 0:04:18.855 it is your opportunity to talk all things building, whatever 0:04:19.015 --> 0:04:21.455 element it is, whether like I say, it's the legislation, 0:04:21.615 --> 0:04:24.855 it's the doing, it's the products, it's the disputes. And 0:04:24.895 --> 0:04:27.335 I went along and had a look at one property 0:04:27.375 --> 0:04:31.055 that was kind of in dispute this week so sometimes 0:04:31.095 --> 0:04:33.775 it goes well and sometimes it doesn't. Eight hundred eighty 0:04:33.855 --> 0:04:35.815 ten eighty is the number to call. You can text 0:04:35.815 --> 0:04:38.535 as well. That's nine two nine two was zbzb from 0:04:38.575 --> 0:04:40.575 your mobile phone. And if you'd like to send me 0:04:40.615 --> 0:04:43.855 an email, you're more than welcome. It's Pete atnewstalksb dot 0:04:43.895 --> 0:04:46.895 co dot nz. So eleven minutes after six ian A 0:04:47.095 --> 0:04:47.695 very good morning. 0:04:49.495 --> 0:04:53.495 What I can't understand about construction is why they cost 0:04:53.535 --> 0:04:57.775 the materials are so expensive, compete with Australia and why 0:04:57.815 --> 0:05:00.655 did Labor promise to build one hundred thousand houses when 0:05:00.735 --> 0:05:04.015 they knew they couldn't Because there's not only that's carbonders 0:05:04.055 --> 0:05:07.255 and electricians and trades people to too many people doing 0:05:07.295 --> 0:05:12.055 ba's and b comms. It's not enough bscs and you 0:05:12.135 --> 0:05:23.215 know we're training the wrong thing. Yeah, what I can't 0:05:23.295 --> 0:05:23.615 stand it. 0:05:23.695 --> 0:05:26.095 Don't get me stated on kew we build. I'm still 0:05:26.215 --> 0:05:28.695 kind of peeved about the whole thing. I'd probably use 0:05:28.735 --> 0:05:32.255 other language in another situation. So, yes Ki Build was 0:05:32.295 --> 0:05:37.415 an utter disaster and all of the justifications that came 0:05:37.455 --> 0:05:40.055 afterwards were pathetic. 0:05:40.735 --> 0:05:43.615 And they still aren't really doing any better, are they? 0:05:45.655 --> 0:05:50.495 Well arguably no, but they never said that they would, right, 0:05:51.015 --> 0:05:53.495 So you know, that was the bit that got me 0:05:54.375 --> 0:05:57.295 is that from what I understand of that policy, and 0:05:57.335 --> 0:05:59.415 I really don't want to read litigate it here, is 0:05:59.455 --> 0:06:01.655 that it was kind of like sitting in the car 0:06:01.775 --> 0:06:04.255 going to a meeting, thinks up an idea, let's build 0:06:04.295 --> 0:06:07.775 one hundred thousand and ten years. Suddenly it's policy. And 0:06:07.815 --> 0:06:10.495 I remember, you know, being an industry meetings and that 0:06:10.535 --> 0:06:13.135 sort of thing beforehand. Could we do this, No, we couldn't. 0:06:13.255 --> 0:06:16.415 It was it was pine in the sky, nonsense. Right 0:06:17.175 --> 0:06:20.055 In terms of housing affordability, I mean, I think that 0:06:20.055 --> 0:06:24.615 that look, that's a massively intricate question to answer, but 0:06:25.215 --> 0:06:27.495 one of the things that we do need to accept 0:06:27.535 --> 0:06:30.975 here is that we are a small island at the 0:06:31.015 --> 0:06:33.975 bottom of the world with very few people in it, right, 0:06:34.295 --> 0:06:38.855 and yet what we want is what everybody else has got. Yeah, 0:06:39.055 --> 0:06:42.375 you know, so you know, we don't have I don't think, 0:06:42.415 --> 0:06:46.175 by comparison to other countries, tremendously high building standards, but 0:06:46.215 --> 0:06:50.295 we also don't have terribly low building standards. So there's 0:06:50.335 --> 0:06:53.295 a lot of compliance costs, there's a lot of emphasis 0:06:53.335 --> 0:06:56.375 on building better, which I would support. I think one 0:06:56.455 --> 0:07:01.055 of the things that we haven't accepted as a population, 0:07:01.135 --> 0:07:07.415 as a consumer base is we can't keep building one off, right, 0:07:07.975 --> 0:07:11.735 So you know, for no, no, no, Right up until 0:07:12.015 --> 0:07:15.975 probably I don't know, maybe a little under ten years ago, 0:07:16.575 --> 0:07:20.495 the model for sort of expanding our cities was a 0:07:20.535 --> 0:07:22.975 developer would buy some land, they would carve that up 0:07:23.015 --> 0:07:26.295 into sections, and they'd sell the sections to individual builders. 0:07:26.335 --> 0:07:29.495 And when I started building with Tom thirty something years ago, 0:07:29.735 --> 0:07:32.135 that's exactly what we were doing, right. He'd find a 0:07:32.135 --> 0:07:34.935 piece of land, we'd build a house on it. We'd 0:07:35.015 --> 0:07:37.735 go out, we'd get it specifically designed, we'd go off 0:07:37.775 --> 0:07:41.295 and talk to all the product suppliers and all the rest. 0:07:41.455 --> 0:07:46.055 Everything was individual and bespoke. Now there's no efficiencies in that. 0:07:46.255 --> 0:07:50.575 Right Whereas I went to and without this being a 0:07:50.615 --> 0:07:53.175 plug for simplicity living, but I went to one of 0:07:53.215 --> 0:07:57.015 their developments earlier this year now they're doing it was 0:07:57.055 --> 0:08:01.735 a fifty one unit development on a single site. They 0:08:01.775 --> 0:08:06.535 went from excavation to finished in fifty two weeks, so 0:08:06.615 --> 0:08:10.575 in one year, right, And they've they've they've built them 0:08:10.615 --> 0:08:12.735 to I think a very high standard and they were 0:08:12.775 --> 0:08:17.215 completely and utterly finished in one year. And one of 0:08:17.255 --> 0:08:19.695 the things about them is that they have a sort 0:08:19.735 --> 0:08:22.615 of not quite modular approach, but it's repetitive. 0:08:22.695 --> 0:08:22.855 Right. 0:08:22.895 --> 0:08:26.855 They're production, not construction. There are i think off the 0:08:26.895 --> 0:08:29.815 top of my head, four different window sizes, right, not 0:08:30.375 --> 0:08:33.615 thirty or forty different window sizes. There are a couple 0:08:33.615 --> 0:08:36.255 of basic kitchen plans. So when you're going to a 0:08:36.255 --> 0:08:40.655 manufacturer and saying make me one hundred and fifty windows 0:08:40.655 --> 0:08:43.015 and they're all the same size, they're going to be 0:08:43.135 --> 0:08:45.575 cheaper than one hundred and fifty windows that are all 0:08:45.655 --> 0:08:49.455 different sizes. So you know, we're and then you know, 0:08:49.575 --> 0:08:51.615 whenever you say this, people go, oh, you, but think 0:08:51.615 --> 0:08:53.575 about England and that and all those rows of tiki 0:08:53.615 --> 0:08:55.095 techi houses and all the. 0:08:55.135 --> 0:08:55.495 Rest of it. 0:08:55.535 --> 0:08:57.335 Well, it's kind of like you can't have your cake 0:08:57.375 --> 0:08:59.935 and eat it too. So you know, if we are 0:08:59.975 --> 0:09:02.055 going to have affordability, we're going to have sort of 0:09:02.095 --> 0:09:05.415 mass production. We're going to have regularity, We're going to 0:09:05.455 --> 0:09:09.535 have less of the bespoke and more of the producing. 0:09:10.255 --> 0:09:13.655 We need a central planning. The thing we're near liberal 0:09:13.695 --> 0:09:15.855 economics that were brought in the nineteen eighty four, and 0:09:15.935 --> 0:09:19.175 I think it's a disaster and moldoing was a socialist, 0:09:19.575 --> 0:09:22.815 and then labor was so right wing, and then roots 0:09:22.815 --> 0:09:28.295 in Asia and the cult of the individual and real 0:09:28.415 --> 0:09:34.775 estate agents are killing property developers. You know, the little 0:09:34.775 --> 0:09:38.175 man can't win. The little man can't win because the 0:09:38.215 --> 0:09:42.855 cost of rates and insurance and everything goes up in 0:09:42.895 --> 0:09:46.215 the price of food and we make food for forty 0:09:46.295 --> 0:09:50.495 million people, yet we pay export prices for our meat 0:09:50.575 --> 0:09:51.695 and our dairy and. 0:09:53.455 --> 0:09:55.695 Well, yeah, I mean, look, there's an argument around there. 0:09:56.775 --> 0:09:59.415 I and I could talk to you all day, and 0:09:59.535 --> 0:10:02.855 genuinely I could, and I love the debate around, you know, 0:10:02.935 --> 0:10:05.855 kind of the big picture stuff around construction. But we'll 0:10:05.855 --> 0:10:07.855 try and find because I'm actually getting some stuff done. 0:10:07.895 --> 0:10:10.735 Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 0:10:12.335 --> 0:10:14.655 Text New Zealand has not grasped the fact that our 0:10:14.695 --> 0:10:17.175 mindset needs to change, We need to change our attitude 0:10:17.215 --> 0:10:19.415 towards housing. I would agree. I think there's a lot 0:10:19.455 --> 0:10:21.775 more to that statement, obviously from the text, And thank 0:10:21.775 --> 0:10:25.535 you for your text. Yeah, you know, what does housing 0:10:25.575 --> 0:10:30.695 affordability look like? It looks like standardization. And you know, 0:10:30.775 --> 0:10:33.135 the next kind of response to that is often yeah, 0:10:33.135 --> 0:10:39.695 but that's boring. Okay, So it's boring. You know, it's boring, 0:10:39.775 --> 0:10:42.495 but it's housing. It's boring, but it might be affordable, 0:10:42.575 --> 0:10:44.975 and it doesn't necessarily have to be boring, but it does 0:10:45.095 --> 0:10:49.335 need to be efficient, and efficiencies tend to be through repetition. 0:10:49.615 --> 0:10:51.775 I eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call Jim. 0:10:51.815 --> 0:10:52.655 Good morning to you. 0:10:53.335 --> 0:10:55.655 Yeah, good morning, Pete. They spoke to you a few 0:10:55.655 --> 0:10:58.735 weeks ago about where my boundary fence was in the 0:10:58.735 --> 0:11:03.175 wrong place. Yes, and what we've found now, so we've 0:11:03.255 --> 0:11:06.495 gone through a process of sorting it out. But we've 0:11:06.495 --> 0:11:09.695 got the plans now where when the builder built the 0:11:10.415 --> 0:11:15.655 shed on the property, and it actually shows on the 0:11:15.695 --> 0:11:20.895 plan that it should be one meter from the true boundary, 0:11:21.135 --> 0:11:24.815 not one meter from where the fence is now and 0:11:25.095 --> 0:11:27.575 three meters from the house, whereas an actual fact that 0:11:27.575 --> 0:11:31.775 it's four meters from the house. So who was responsible 0:11:31.935 --> 0:11:34.535 for that? When? 0:11:34.575 --> 0:11:36.055 When was the shed built? 0:11:36.935 --> 0:11:40.135 Eight year or approximately eight years ago? We've only just 0:11:40.455 --> 0:11:42.615 discovered all this problems recently. 0:11:42.895 --> 0:11:44.615 And did you have the shed built or was it 0:11:44.735 --> 0:11:45.335 there when. 0:11:45.175 --> 0:11:49.655 You Yeah, no, no, we had it built there. Okay, 0:11:51.055 --> 0:11:54.415 So on the planet shows and we didn't have the 0:11:54.455 --> 0:11:58.895 plan a few a short time ago. So I've only 0:11:58.975 --> 0:12:02.735 just recently got the plan actually from a copy from 0:12:02.735 --> 0:12:08.215 the councilor Yes, it shows the plan as the building 0:12:08.215 --> 0:12:14.175 should be one meter from the true boundary. Yeah, and 0:12:14.375 --> 0:12:16.695 I've actually had a survey person round to have a 0:12:16.695 --> 0:12:19.735 look and say, yes, that's true where it should be. 0:12:19.855 --> 0:12:23.015 But of course an actual faith they've taken one meter 0:12:23.175 --> 0:12:26.415 from the sisting fence, which was in the wrong pace. 0:12:26.495 --> 0:12:29.255 So who's technically wrong? 0:12:29.775 --> 0:12:35.015 Yeah, look, I think hm, the fact that so the 0:12:35.055 --> 0:12:39.295 building consent was issued you think sometime around two thousand 0:12:39.735 --> 0:12:45.095 and twenty sixteen. Okay, that's not the dim dark past, right, 0:12:46.695 --> 0:12:50.015 So it was common practice what it is now, and 0:12:50.055 --> 0:12:54.815 it was certainly then to have to determine the boundary 0:12:54.895 --> 0:12:58.015 and then prove the loco that Typically when you know, 0:12:58.055 --> 0:13:01.775 the first inspection is you've established your boundary, you've done 0:13:01.815 --> 0:13:05.815 your earthworks and site works and you know dug the footings. 0:13:05.895 --> 0:13:09.135 Let's say you're ready to pull the slab. Council inspector 0:13:09.175 --> 0:13:10.935 comes out and one of the things that they'll ask 0:13:11.015 --> 0:13:13.935 for is either evidence of where the boundary is, like 0:13:14.015 --> 0:13:16.255 can you show me the boundary pegs and prove to 0:13:16.295 --> 0:13:19.215 me that it's in the right place, or you provide 0:13:19.215 --> 0:13:22.815 the inspector with a citing certificate from a surveyor who's 0:13:22.855 --> 0:13:25.215 come out to determine that the building is in the 0:13:25.295 --> 0:13:29.935 right place. And so somehow your building got built without 0:13:30.015 --> 0:13:37.975 either of those two checks being undertaken. So, and given 0:13:37.975 --> 0:13:40.935 that it's only eight years ago, the contractor who did 0:13:40.975 --> 0:13:45.095 the work is probably still responsible for it. Now they 0:13:45.175 --> 0:13:47.855 might say, well, look, we were not told where the 0:13:47.895 --> 0:13:51.255 boundary was, but I would still probably argue that it 0:13:51.375 --> 0:13:55.175 is their responsibility to do that. And they could say, well, 0:13:55.215 --> 0:13:57.135 council signed it off, in which case you could go 0:13:57.215 --> 0:13:59.215 back to council and say, well, hang on, how come 0:13:59.255 --> 0:14:01.895 you guys didn't pick this up. 0:14:02.735 --> 0:14:06.655 Yeah, well I've had to talk to the councilor said 0:14:06.735 --> 0:14:11.375 no to it, which I can, and they. 0:14:10.935 --> 0:14:12.855 On what basis did they say no to it? 0:14:13.695 --> 0:14:17.055 Well, I say it's not not their responsibility, and and 0:14:17.135 --> 0:14:20.695 it does say they're on the original thing that it's 0:14:20.775 --> 0:14:23.935 up to the owner and the builder to determine where 0:14:24.135 --> 0:14:27.135 the boundaries are. So they get out of that little 0:14:27.175 --> 0:14:33.175 loophole there. But the only thing is that when we 0:14:33.255 --> 0:14:38.575 built this shed, that was built by a franchise person. 0:14:38.775 --> 0:14:43.375 So does that take it and that franchise person or 0:14:43.495 --> 0:14:47.175 company now is gone. So yeah, does that take it 0:14:47.215 --> 0:14:49.255 away from the original company? 0:14:49.375 --> 0:14:52.775 Well no, this is no, it doesn't. And this is 0:14:52.815 --> 0:14:56.335 the whole point of the licensed building practitioner scheme. Right, 0:14:56.855 --> 0:15:00.095 So one something in the file that you've got, there 0:15:00.135 --> 0:15:03.295 will be the name of an LBP, right who would 0:15:03.295 --> 0:15:06.055 have put in? It's an individual, right, you can't company 0:15:06.095 --> 0:15:08.415 can not be a licensed building practitioner. So it will 0:15:08.455 --> 0:15:11.695 be an individual and they will have responsibility for it. 0:15:12.975 --> 0:15:16.895 So I would track that person down and if they 0:15:17.095 --> 0:15:21.095 are still currently registered, you would certainly have a conversation 0:15:21.215 --> 0:15:24.015 with them. I think even if they weren't registered, they 0:15:24.095 --> 0:15:27.775 still hold some responsibility for their building work for ten 0:15:27.855 --> 0:15:30.895 years after they've done it, and something like not putting 0:15:30.935 --> 0:15:35.335 it in the right place could ultimately still be their responsibility. 0:15:35.655 --> 0:15:37.535 I feel a bit bad for them, but it doesn't 0:15:37.575 --> 0:15:39.735 mean that that's not their responsibility. 0:15:40.215 --> 0:15:43.295 So the person that, as I say, was a franchise 0:15:43.335 --> 0:15:45.135 and now that person has gone. 0:15:45.375 --> 0:15:49.815 Yes, as in the company has gone, but there will 0:15:49.855 --> 0:15:53.255 be on the I presume the building if it got 0:15:53.295 --> 0:15:56.815 a building consent, it also has a code compliant certificate. 0:15:57.935 --> 0:16:03.015 On the code compliance certificate will be the LBP details 0:16:03.095 --> 0:16:07.095 for the builder right now. That might the person who 0:16:07.095 --> 0:16:09.215 did the slab might be a different LBP to the 0:16:09.215 --> 0:16:11.655 person who did the building, but there will be an 0:16:11.775 --> 0:16:16.255 LBP on there and I would pursue them. 0:16:16.655 --> 0:16:19.335 Yeah, all right, okay, all right, thank you. 0:16:19.575 --> 0:16:21.095 Let us know here you get on, Jim, thanks for 0:16:21.095 --> 0:16:23.295 the update. All right, thank you all best bye and 0:16:23.335 --> 0:16:25.615 then we'll take short break. It is twenty two minutes 0:16:25.655 --> 0:16:28.695 after six eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number 0:16:28.735 --> 0:16:31.855 to call your news talks B. Actually, it was nice 0:16:31.895 --> 0:16:34.295 to caught up with life for Sola down at the 0:16:34.335 --> 0:16:36.575 Wellington Home and Garden Show, which is still on today 0:16:36.575 --> 0:16:40.255 by the way, at sky see the Ousaronot sky City 0:16:40.295 --> 0:16:43.815 sky Stadium in Wellington. So I was in Wellington yesterday. 0:16:44.375 --> 0:16:46.815 Delightful flight back home as well on in New Zealand 0:16:46.935 --> 0:16:51.295 with a very lovely Kevin crewmember who, while wandering down 0:16:51.295 --> 0:16:54.215 the aisle goes, oh, hello, mister Wolfcamp, you're working tomorrow morning. 0:16:54.335 --> 0:16:56.815 So I'm working tomorrow morning. Good, she said, I'll tune 0:16:56.855 --> 0:16:59.135 in and listen. So a very good morning to you 0:16:59.255 --> 0:17:01.415 as well and to all of the crew that were 0:17:01.455 --> 0:17:03.655 on the flight. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the 0:17:03.735 --> 0:17:08.015 number to call Charles. Good morning to you, Hi, Peter. 0:17:08.895 --> 0:17:13.095 My problem is an old fleach of brown built roof 0:17:13.255 --> 0:17:17.495 nineteen sixties meant so you don't get too much rust 0:17:17.535 --> 0:17:20.575 down there, but I've got patches of rust in it. 0:17:20.735 --> 0:17:24.255 Can I use a rust converter and then paint over it? 0:17:24.535 --> 0:17:27.855 The roof's been unpainted all those years? 0:17:28.175 --> 0:17:28.495 Yes? 0:17:28.775 --> 0:17:29.095 Why not? 0:17:29.255 --> 0:17:31.295 I mean, look, if the ruster is, you know, starting 0:17:31.375 --> 0:17:33.895 to bubble or eat all the way through, then maybe 0:17:33.935 --> 0:17:36.495 you need to look at either repair or replacement. And 0:17:36.575 --> 0:17:40.135 to be fair, a nineteen sixties roof, like my nineteen 0:17:40.215 --> 0:17:44.415 sixties knees may need some replacement, right so you know 0:17:44.735 --> 0:17:46.815 you'll be able to eke out an extra couple of years. 0:17:47.655 --> 0:17:49.775 But yeah, you could do, you know, treat the rust, 0:17:49.855 --> 0:17:52.095 put another coat of paint on it. That'll certainly do it. 0:17:52.415 --> 0:17:55.415 There's interestingly enough, there's there's a couple of products that 0:17:55.455 --> 0:17:58.575 have come onto the market recently which are like a 0:17:58.775 --> 0:18:02.295 thick viscous membrane which has sprayed over the top of 0:18:02.455 --> 0:18:05.175 old roofs as well. So if you wanted to spend 0:18:05.215 --> 0:18:07.015 a bit more money, you could get contractor and the 0:18:07.135 --> 0:18:09.735 do that type of thing. 0:18:09.855 --> 0:18:12.175 Can you recommend the prom product that I can just 0:18:12.215 --> 0:18:13.375 paint on the patches. 0:18:14.135 --> 0:18:17.175 Paint on patches. You sound like me back in the 0:18:17.175 --> 0:18:19.375 eighties cutting up my T shirt and putting it over 0:18:19.415 --> 0:18:22.055 the holes and the roof that I was painting. I 0:18:22.055 --> 0:18:24.335 think that actually worked quite well. By the way. Look, 0:18:24.375 --> 0:18:26.895 I wouldn't recommend that, partly because I went through a 0:18:26.935 --> 0:18:30.975 lot of T shirts while I was painting. There's not 0:18:31.455 --> 0:18:35.175 in terms of patches, there's really no recommended way of 0:18:35.255 --> 0:18:35.695 doing that. 0:18:35.775 --> 0:18:35.975 Right. 0:18:37.255 --> 0:18:40.655 So you could try and patch the sheets with another 0:18:40.695 --> 0:18:43.775 sheet of tin and sort of a bead of sealant, 0:18:43.775 --> 0:18:47.855 but often they just become a damn at a certain stage. 0:18:47.895 --> 0:18:49.775 Can I say with the graves to respect the roof 0:18:49.815 --> 0:18:52.775 has served you well, maybe you need to just look 0:18:52.815 --> 0:18:53.895 at replacing the roof. 0:18:55.095 --> 0:18:55.935 We thank you very much. 0:18:56.335 --> 0:18:59.775 Nice to chat with Charles. You take care by then. 0:19:00.695 --> 0:19:03.295 I remember doing that. I was painting. It was kind 0:19:03.295 --> 0:19:04.935 of like a contra thing, you know. I was helping 0:19:04.935 --> 0:19:07.495 out a mate, and every now and then there was 0:19:07.615 --> 0:19:10.255 like a small rust patch was appearing on this old 0:19:10.255 --> 0:19:14.255 corrigid iron roof, and quite literally, and I say this 0:19:14.615 --> 0:19:18.415 slightly shamefully, we'd just sort of rip outful cut off 0:19:18.415 --> 0:19:20.495 a section of T shirt that we were wearing, dip 0:19:20.495 --> 0:19:22.695 it in the bucket of paint, so we'd sucked up 0:19:22.735 --> 0:19:25.735 all the paint, put that on top of the patch, 0:19:26.295 --> 0:19:27.615 or put that as a patch on top of the 0:19:27.655 --> 0:19:29.935 little rusthole that had developed, and then just paint more 0:19:29.935 --> 0:19:31.455 paint over the top of it. I don't know how 0:19:31.455 --> 0:19:34.055 long it lasted, and I'm not suggesting it's a suitable 0:19:34.135 --> 0:19:38.175 method of repairing, but hey needs must Oh eight hundred 0:19:38.295 --> 0:19:40.615 eighty ten eighty is the number to call. I'm just 0:19:40.695 --> 0:19:42.735 trying to I was thinking about painting that roof too. 0:19:44.135 --> 0:19:45.855 It was quite steep because it was an old villa 0:19:47.215 --> 0:19:51.855 and he's sort of scampering around there as a young 0:19:51.895 --> 0:19:53.055 fellow with a bucket of paint. 0:19:55.935 --> 0:19:56.175 It was. 0:19:56.295 --> 0:19:58.055 It felt like a long way to the ground too. 0:19:58.135 --> 0:20:00.655 Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call. Lorraine. 0:20:00.655 --> 0:20:03.095 Good morning to you, Good morning peat. 0:20:03.855 --> 0:20:06.455 I'm looking at a house that's got metra pedaling in 0:20:06.495 --> 0:20:10.535 the walls and internal walls. Can you talk to people? 0:20:10.615 --> 0:20:13.015 Nobody seems to have heard much about it. Can you 0:20:13.015 --> 0:20:14.255 tell me is that a good thing or not? 0:20:14.655 --> 0:20:16.215 Sorry? A walling product? 0:20:16.255 --> 0:20:18.975 Which one in a house? I'm looking to buy it. 0:20:19.455 --> 0:20:23.735 The internal walls are made of metropalne. Before you can 0:20:24.295 --> 0:20:27.135 hear you tell me whether it's a good thing or not. 0:20:28.095 --> 0:20:34.655 Yes, look what metropanel is. I think it's actually Jane L. 0:20:34.975 --> 0:20:39.215 Duken's triboard, right, So it's made as triboard and when 0:20:39.255 --> 0:20:42.535 it gets sold through that company it becomes metropanel. So 0:20:42.575 --> 0:20:45.415 it's like either a thirty six or a thirty nine 0:20:45.495 --> 0:20:50.375 millimeter composite board which has a strand board core and 0:20:50.415 --> 0:20:54.295 then NDF on each side, so it's a solid panel. 0:20:54.455 --> 0:20:57.415 And in fact, when I was in Wellington yesterday, the 0:20:57.855 --> 0:21:00.735 Easy Build team they use it as part of their bill. 0:21:00.935 --> 0:21:03.735 There's a crowd that we've talked to up in the 0:21:03.775 --> 0:21:07.455 Far North Panel Locke who also uses So rather than 0:21:07.495 --> 0:21:09.975 having a timber stud and then plasterboard lining and all 0:21:10.015 --> 0:21:12.575 the rest of it, it's simply you assemble your entire 0:21:12.615 --> 0:21:18.015 house using these panels. Yeah. Look it's durable, it's robust, 0:21:18.255 --> 0:21:22.095 it doesn't move around a lot, so I wouldn't have 0:21:22.135 --> 0:21:27.415 any well, I mean it's a wood product, right, so 0:21:27.495 --> 0:21:30.655 it's neither cold nor warm. It is whatever you heat 0:21:30.655 --> 0:21:33.255 it up. So on the perimeter of the house, for example, 0:21:33.535 --> 0:21:36.815 typically you'll have that panel as the inside face and 0:21:36.855 --> 0:21:39.815 as the structural element, and then on the outside they'll 0:21:39.815 --> 0:21:42.175 put on a baton and that's where the insulation go, 0:21:42.455 --> 0:21:44.735 and then the cladding goes over the top of that. 0:21:46.055 --> 0:21:47.935 And you might find if you look up, is the 0:21:47.975 --> 0:21:50.135 ceiling also in this metropanel. 0:21:51.175 --> 0:21:53.175 I don't think so. I think it's just the walls 0:21:53.175 --> 0:21:54.735 which makes it narrower. 0:21:55.775 --> 0:21:57.895 What it is is it's space saving for the floor. 0:21:58.095 --> 0:22:00.375 Yes, yes, But I just wondered because a lot of 0:22:00.375 --> 0:22:02.095 people hadn't heard about it, and you sort of think, well. 0:22:03.695 --> 0:22:05.895 Look, it's been around shivers I. 0:22:06.055 --> 0:22:06.895 Think twenty years. 0:22:06.935 --> 0:22:10.175 I think, oh, even longer, and I've spoken with people 0:22:10.175 --> 0:22:11.855 who are building with it, you know, back in the 0:22:11.895 --> 0:22:16.455 eighties basically, so yeah, it's been around, it's proven itself. 0:22:16.575 --> 0:22:20.055 It is super durable, and you know, one of the 0:22:20.135 --> 0:22:22.695 huge advantage, well, there's number of advantages. One is the 0:22:22.735 --> 0:22:26.615 space saving because you know, if you're within a conventional house, 0:22:26.615 --> 0:22:29.295 if you took the same frame footprint and built it 0:22:29.415 --> 0:22:32.775 using that sort of panel system, you can save about 0:22:32.855 --> 0:22:35.255 I think it's close to six percent of the floor 0:22:35.295 --> 0:22:38.295 space just by reducing the thickness of all of those walls, 0:22:39.175 --> 0:22:42.415 and yeah, in terms of rigidity and so on, it's great. 0:22:42.535 --> 0:22:45.335 In terms of robustness, you know, the ability to resist 0:22:45.415 --> 0:22:48.295 knocks and so on, it's got some huge advantages as well. 0:22:48.975 --> 0:22:50.855 So once it's up, though, you cannot put a new 0:22:50.855 --> 0:22:52.495 plugs or anything like that. You have to have them 0:22:52.495 --> 0:22:54.495