1 00:00:06,855 --> 00:00:10,055 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter 2 00:00:10,135 --> 00:00:12,055 Speaker 1: wolf Camp from News Talks at Bay. 3 00:00:19,255 --> 00:00:24,695 Speaker 2: A house is a hole even when it stars, even 4 00:00:24,735 --> 00:00:29,935 Speaker 2: when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when 5 00:00:29,975 --> 00:00:34,175 Speaker 2: the dog is too old to bar, and when you're 6 00:00:34,215 --> 00:00:40,255 Speaker 2: sitting at the table trying not to start and scissor home, 7 00:00:41,375 --> 00:00:45,295 Speaker 2: even when weave a band ball, even. 8 00:00:45,015 --> 00:01:00,335 Speaker 3: When you're there alone. A house is a hole, even 9 00:01:00,375 --> 00:01:05,095 Speaker 3: when those goes, even when you got around from the world. 10 00:01:05,175 --> 00:01:06,255 Speaker 3: You love you more. 11 00:01:08,055 --> 00:01:10,895 Speaker 2: Streams being in fund. 12 00:01:13,135 --> 00:01:15,375 Speaker 4: Locals, Vesta when they're going the. 13 00:01:17,135 --> 00:01:24,895 Speaker 2: House, even when we ban, even when you're. 14 00:01:24,615 --> 00:01:25,695 Speaker 3: In there alone. 15 00:01:34,735 --> 00:01:36,775 Speaker 5: Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the 16 00:01:36,815 --> 00:01:39,895 Speaker 5: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me Peak wolf Camp, 17 00:01:40,015 --> 00:01:44,375 Speaker 5: the Resident Builder, and we are talking all things building construction. 18 00:01:44,655 --> 00:01:48,055 Speaker 5: It's it's the legislation, it's the products, it's the assembly, 19 00:01:48,135 --> 00:01:52,495 Speaker 5: it's the disassembly. We can talk demolition and demolition, waste 20 00:01:52,575 --> 00:01:56,255 Speaker 5: and waste minimization and the carbonize. My head is a 21 00:01:56,295 --> 00:01:59,095 Speaker 5: little bit full because I was in Wellington yesterday. It's 22 00:01:59,095 --> 00:02:01,975 Speaker 5: not full because I was in Wellington, but I was 23 00:02:02,055 --> 00:02:05,295 Speaker 5: working on a little presentation around wide is Good matter 24 00:02:06,055 --> 00:02:08,895 Speaker 5: and it was prompted by a bit of thinking over 25 00:02:08,895 --> 00:02:12,295 Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks or months, I guess around, 26 00:02:12,415 --> 00:02:17,015 Speaker 5: you know, sort of justifying and arguing for better building practice, 27 00:02:17,055 --> 00:02:21,695 Speaker 5: like why does it actually matter to build better? So yeah, 28 00:02:21,815 --> 00:02:24,735 Speaker 5: a head full of ideas. Anyway, Good morning, welcome along 29 00:02:24,735 --> 00:02:27,455 Speaker 5: to the show. Trust that you're well and hope it's 30 00:02:27,495 --> 00:02:29,695 Speaker 5: been a good week. Looking forward to chatting with you 31 00:02:29,775 --> 00:02:33,735 Speaker 5: this morning about all things building and construction. We're also 32 00:02:33,815 --> 00:02:38,175 Speaker 5: going to introduce a I suppose a new expert guest 33 00:02:38,335 --> 00:02:41,335 Speaker 5: to the lineup this morning as well, so after eight 34 00:02:41,375 --> 00:02:46,895 Speaker 5: o'clock will take some time to talk about ventilation. And 35 00:02:46,935 --> 00:02:49,335 Speaker 5: I guess the reason I wanted to bring up ventilation 36 00:02:49,455 --> 00:02:52,055 Speaker 5: and talk about it very specifically is a lot of 37 00:02:52,095 --> 00:02:56,295 Speaker 5: discussion about ventilating houses. Correctly, given that most of our 38 00:02:56,335 --> 00:03:00,895 Speaker 5: houses don't sort of ventilate incidentally and accidentally like they 39 00:03:01,015 --> 00:03:03,375 Speaker 5: might have done in the past, we're talking about houses 40 00:03:03,415 --> 00:03:06,535 Speaker 5: that are increasingly air tight, still a long way from 41 00:03:06,575 --> 00:03:09,655 Speaker 5: sort of passive house standard air tightness, but increasingly airtight 42 00:03:10,175 --> 00:03:15,815 Speaker 5: and air quality and indoor air quality controlling moisture, controlling mold, 43 00:03:15,855 --> 00:03:18,855 Speaker 5: these sorts of things are really really important in our houses. 44 00:03:18,895 --> 00:03:23,295 Speaker 5: So Storm Harpham, who I met, I was introduced to 45 00:03:23,335 --> 00:03:26,735 Speaker 5: her actually through a LinkedIn article a couple of months 46 00:03:26,735 --> 00:03:30,535 Speaker 5: ago where it was a rebuttal let's say, to the 47 00:03:30,815 --> 00:03:34,375 Speaker 5: proposed changes to wind back the new H one changes. 48 00:03:34,935 --> 00:03:38,175 Speaker 5: And I read through the article and I thought, gosh, 49 00:03:38,215 --> 00:03:42,535 Speaker 5: this is really technical information presented in a way that 50 00:03:42,655 --> 00:03:47,295 Speaker 5: is quite digestible for most of us, myself included. Anyway, 51 00:03:47,295 --> 00:03:49,495 Speaker 5: we've talked on a number of occasions. I've sought her 52 00:03:49,575 --> 00:03:51,855 Speaker 5: advice on a couple of issues around sort of mold 53 00:03:52,095 --> 00:03:56,295 Speaker 5: and mildew inside a property that I look after. And 54 00:03:56,335 --> 00:03:58,575 Speaker 5: so I'm going to bring her onto the show today 55 00:03:58,815 --> 00:04:01,495 Speaker 5: at around just after eight o'clock this morning. So Storm 56 00:04:01,855 --> 00:04:06,815 Speaker 5: Harpham is we're going to talk all things of ventilation, specifically. 57 00:04:06,855 --> 00:04:09,855 Speaker 5: If you've got any specific questions on that, you feel 58 00:04:09,895 --> 00:04:12,815 Speaker 5: free to send them through now. Otherwise I've already got 59 00:04:12,815 --> 00:04:15,575 Speaker 5: a whole heap of questions for here. Up until then, 60 00:04:15,695 --> 00:04:18,855 Speaker 5: it is your opportunity to talk all things building, whatever 61 00:04:19,015 --> 00:04:21,455 Speaker 5: element it is, whether like I say, it's the legislation, 62 00:04:21,615 --> 00:04:24,855 Speaker 5: it's the doing, it's the products, it's the disputes. And 63 00:04:24,895 --> 00:04:27,335 Speaker 5: I went along and had a look at one property 64 00:04:27,375 --> 00:04:31,055 Speaker 5: that was kind of in dispute this week so sometimes 65 00:04:31,095 --> 00:04:33,775 Speaker 5: it goes well and sometimes it doesn't. Eight hundred eighty 66 00:04:33,855 --> 00:04:35,815 Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call. You can text 67 00:04:35,815 --> 00:04:38,535 Speaker 5: as well. That's nine two nine two was zbzb from 68 00:04:38,575 --> 00:04:40,575 Speaker 5: your mobile phone. And if you'd like to send me 69 00:04:40,615 --> 00:04:43,855 Speaker 5: an email, you're more than welcome. It's Pete atnewstalksb dot 70 00:04:43,895 --> 00:04:46,895 Speaker 5: co dot nz. So eleven minutes after six ian A 71 00:04:47,095 --> 00:04:47,695 Speaker 5: very good morning. 72 00:04:49,495 --> 00:04:53,495 Speaker 6: What I can't understand about construction is why they cost 73 00:04:53,535 --> 00:04:57,775 Speaker 6: the materials are so expensive, compete with Australia and why 74 00:04:57,815 --> 00:05:00,655 Speaker 6: did Labor promise to build one hundred thousand houses when 75 00:05:00,735 --> 00:05:04,015 Speaker 6: they knew they couldn't Because there's not only that's carbonders 76 00:05:04,055 --> 00:05:07,255 Speaker 6: and electricians and trades people to too many people doing 77 00:05:07,295 --> 00:05:12,055 Speaker 6: ba's and b comms. It's not enough bscs and you 78 00:05:12,135 --> 00:05:23,215 Speaker 6: know we're training the wrong thing. Yeah, what I can't 79 00:05:23,295 --> 00:05:23,615 Speaker 6: stand it. 80 00:05:23,695 --> 00:05:26,095 Speaker 5: Don't get me stated on kew we build. I'm still 81 00:05:26,215 --> 00:05:28,695 Speaker 5: kind of peeved about the whole thing. I'd probably use 82 00:05:28,735 --> 00:05:32,255 Speaker 5: other language in another situation. So, yes Ki Build was 83 00:05:32,295 --> 00:05:37,415 Speaker 5: an utter disaster and all of the justifications that came 84 00:05:37,455 --> 00:05:40,055 Speaker 5: afterwards were pathetic. 85 00:05:40,735 --> 00:05:43,615 Speaker 6: And they still aren't really doing any better, are they? 86 00:05:45,655 --> 00:05:50,495 Speaker 5: Well arguably no, but they never said that they would, right, 87 00:05:51,015 --> 00:05:53,495 Speaker 5: So you know, that was the bit that got me 88 00:05:54,375 --> 00:05:57,295 Speaker 5: is that from what I understand of that policy, and 89 00:05:57,335 --> 00:05:59,415 Speaker 5: I really don't want to read litigate it here, is 90 00:05:59,455 --> 00:06:01,655 Speaker 5: that it was kind of like sitting in the car 91 00:06:01,775 --> 00:06:04,255 Speaker 5: going to a meeting, thinks up an idea, let's build 92 00:06:04,295 --> 00:06:07,775 Speaker 5: one hundred thousand and ten years. Suddenly it's policy. And 93 00:06:07,815 --> 00:06:10,495 Speaker 5: I remember, you know, being an industry meetings and that 94 00:06:10,535 --> 00:06:13,135 Speaker 5: sort of thing beforehand. Could we do this, No, we couldn't. 95 00:06:13,255 --> 00:06:16,415 Speaker 5: It was it was pine in the sky, nonsense. Right 96 00:06:17,175 --> 00:06:20,055 Speaker 5: In terms of housing affordability, I mean, I think that 97 00:06:20,055 --> 00:06:24,615 Speaker 5: that look, that's a massively intricate question to answer, but 98 00:06:25,215 --> 00:06:27,495 Speaker 5: one of the things that we do need to accept 99 00:06:27,535 --> 00:06:30,975 Speaker 5: here is that we are a small island at the 100 00:06:31,015 --> 00:06:33,975 Speaker 5: bottom of the world with very few people in it, right, 101 00:06:34,295 --> 00:06:38,855 Speaker 5: and yet what we want is what everybody else has got. Yeah, 102 00:06:39,055 --> 00:06:42,375 Speaker 5: you know, so you know, we don't have I don't think, 103 00:06:42,415 --> 00:06:46,175 Speaker 5: by comparison to other countries, tremendously high building standards, but 104 00:06:46,215 --> 00:06:50,295 Speaker 5: we also don't have terribly low building standards. So there's 105 00:06:50,335 --> 00:06:53,295 Speaker 5: a lot of compliance costs, there's a lot of emphasis 106 00:06:53,335 --> 00:06:56,375 Speaker 5: on building better, which I would support. I think one 107 00:06:56,455 --> 00:07:01,055 Speaker 5: of the things that we haven't accepted as a population, 108 00:07:01,135 --> 00:07:07,415 Speaker 5: as a consumer base is we can't keep building one off, right, 109 00:07:07,975 --> 00:07:11,735 Speaker 5: So you know, for no, no, no, Right up until 110 00:07:12,015 --> 00:07:15,975 Speaker 5: probably I don't know, maybe a little under ten years ago, 111 00:07:16,575 --> 00:07:20,495 Speaker 5: the model for sort of expanding our cities was a 112 00:07:20,535 --> 00:07:22,975 Speaker 5: developer would buy some land, they would carve that up 113 00:07:23,015 --> 00:07:26,295 Speaker 5: into sections, and they'd sell the sections to individual builders. 114 00:07:26,335 --> 00:07:29,495 Speaker 5: And when I started building with Tom thirty something years ago, 115 00:07:29,735 --> 00:07:32,135 Speaker 5: that's exactly what we were doing, right. He'd find a 116 00:07:32,135 --> 00:07:34,935 Speaker 5: piece of land, we'd build a house on it. We'd 117 00:07:35,015 --> 00:07:37,735 Speaker 5: go out, we'd get it specifically designed, we'd go off 118 00:07:37,775 --> 00:07:41,295 Speaker 5: and talk to all the product suppliers and all the rest. 119 00:07:41,455 --> 00:07:46,055 Speaker 5: Everything was individual and bespoke. Now there's no efficiencies in that. 120 00:07:46,255 --> 00:07:50,575 Speaker 5: Right Whereas I went to and without this being a 121 00:07:50,615 --> 00:07:53,175 Speaker 5: plug for simplicity living, but I went to one of 122 00:07:53,215 --> 00:07:57,015 Speaker 5: their developments earlier this year now they're doing it was 123 00:07:57,055 --> 00:08:01,735 Speaker 5: a fifty one unit development on a single site. They 124 00:08:01,775 --> 00:08:06,535 Speaker 5: went from excavation to finished in fifty two weeks, so 125 00:08:06,615 --> 00:08:10,575 Speaker 5: in one year, right, And they've they've they've built them 126 00:08:10,615 --> 00:08:12,735 Speaker 5: to I think a very high standard and they were 127 00:08:12,775 --> 00:08:17,215 Speaker 5: completely and utterly finished in one year. And one of 128 00:08:17,255 --> 00:08:19,695 Speaker 5: the things about them is that they have a sort 129 00:08:19,735 --> 00:08:22,615 Speaker 5: of not quite modular approach, but it's repetitive. 130 00:08:22,695 --> 00:08:22,855 Speaker 7: Right. 131 00:08:22,895 --> 00:08:26,855 Speaker 5: They're production, not construction. There are i think off the 132 00:08:26,895 --> 00:08:29,815 Speaker 5: top of my head, four different window sizes, right, not 133 00:08:30,375 --> 00:08:33,615 Speaker 5: thirty or forty different window sizes. There are a couple 134 00:08:33,615 --> 00:08:36,255 Speaker 5: of basic kitchen plans. So when you're going to a 135 00:08:36,255 --> 00:08:40,655 Speaker 5: manufacturer and saying make me one hundred and fifty windows 136 00:08:40,655 --> 00:08:43,015 Speaker 5: and they're all the same size, they're going to be 137 00:08:43,135 --> 00:08:45,575 Speaker 5: cheaper than one hundred and fifty windows that are all 138 00:08:45,655 --> 00:08:49,455 Speaker 5: different sizes. So you know, we're and then you know, 139 00:08:49,575 --> 00:08:51,615 Speaker 5: whenever you say this, people go, oh, you, but think 140 00:08:51,615 --> 00:08:53,575 Speaker 5: about England and that and all those rows of tiki 141 00:08:53,615 --> 00:08:55,095 Speaker 5: techi houses and all the. 142 00:08:55,135 --> 00:08:55,495 Speaker 8: Rest of it. 143 00:08:55,535 --> 00:08:57,335 Speaker 5: Well, it's kind of like you can't have your cake 144 00:08:57,375 --> 00:08:59,935 Speaker 5: and eat it too. So you know, if we are 145 00:08:59,975 --> 00:09:02,055 Speaker 5: going to have affordability, we're going to have sort of 146 00:09:02,095 --> 00:09:05,415 Speaker 5: mass production. We're going to have regularity, We're going to 147 00:09:05,455 --> 00:09:09,535 Speaker 5: have less of the bespoke and more of the producing. 148 00:09:10,255 --> 00:09:13,655 Speaker 6: We need a central planning. The thing we're near liberal 149 00:09:13,695 --> 00:09:15,855 Speaker 6: economics that were brought in the nineteen eighty four, and 150 00:09:15,935 --> 00:09:19,175 Speaker 6: I think it's a disaster and moldoing was a socialist, 151 00:09:19,575 --> 00:09:22,815 Speaker 6: and then labor was so right wing, and then roots 152 00:09:22,815 --> 00:09:28,295 Speaker 6: in Asia and the cult of the individual and real 153 00:09:28,415 --> 00:09:34,775 Speaker 6: estate agents are killing property developers. You know, the little 154 00:09:34,775 --> 00:09:38,175 Speaker 6: man can't win. The little man can't win because the 155 00:09:38,215 --> 00:09:42,855 Speaker 6: cost of rates and insurance and everything goes up in 156 00:09:42,895 --> 00:09:46,215 Speaker 6: the price of food and we make food for forty 157 00:09:46,295 --> 00:09:50,495 Speaker 6: million people, yet we pay export prices for our meat 158 00:09:50,575 --> 00:09:51,695 Speaker 6: and our dairy and. 159 00:09:53,455 --> 00:09:55,695 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean, look, there's an argument around there. 160 00:09:56,775 --> 00:09:59,415 Speaker 5: I and I could talk to you all day, and 161 00:09:59,535 --> 00:10:02,855 Speaker 5: genuinely I could, and I love the debate around, you know, 162 00:10:02,935 --> 00:10:05,855 Speaker 5: kind of the big picture stuff around construction. But we'll 163 00:10:05,855 --> 00:10:07,855 Speaker 5: try and find because I'm actually getting some stuff done. 164 00:10:07,895 --> 00:10:10,735 Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 165 00:10:12,335 --> 00:10:14,655 Speaker 5: Text New Zealand has not grasped the fact that our 166 00:10:14,695 --> 00:10:17,175 Speaker 5: mindset needs to change, We need to change our attitude 167 00:10:17,215 --> 00:10:19,415 Speaker 5: towards housing. I would agree. I think there's a lot 168 00:10:19,455 --> 00:10:21,775 Speaker 5: more to that statement, obviously from the text, And thank 169 00:10:21,775 --> 00:10:25,535 Speaker 5: you for your text. Yeah, you know, what does housing 170 00:10:25,575 --> 00:10:30,695 Speaker 5: affordability look like? It looks like standardization. And you know, 171 00:10:30,775 --> 00:10:33,135 Speaker 5: the next kind of response to that is often yeah, 172 00:10:33,135 --> 00:10:39,695 Speaker 5: but that's boring. Okay, So it's boring. You know, it's boring, 173 00:10:39,775 --> 00:10:42,495 Speaker 5: but it's housing. It's boring, but it might be affordable, 174 00:10:42,575 --> 00:10:44,975 Speaker 5: and it doesn't necessarily have to be boring, but it does 175 00:10:45,095 --> 00:10:49,335 Speaker 5: need to be efficient, and efficiencies tend to be through repetition. 176 00:10:49,615 --> 00:10:51,775 Speaker 5: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call Jim. 177 00:10:51,815 --> 00:10:52,655 Speaker 5: Good morning to you. 178 00:10:53,335 --> 00:10:55,655 Speaker 7: Yeah, good morning, Pete. They spoke to you a few 179 00:10:55,655 --> 00:10:58,735 Speaker 7: weeks ago about where my boundary fence was in the 180 00:10:58,735 --> 00:11:03,175 Speaker 7: wrong place. Yes, and what we've found now, so we've 181 00:11:03,255 --> 00:11:06,495 Speaker 7: gone through a process of sorting it out. But we've 182 00:11:06,495 --> 00:11:09,695 Speaker 7: got the plans now where when the builder built the 183 00:11:10,415 --> 00:11:15,655 Speaker 7: shed on the property, and it actually shows on the 184 00:11:15,695 --> 00:11:20,895 Speaker 7: plan that it should be one meter from the true boundary, 185 00:11:21,135 --> 00:11:24,815 Speaker 7: not one meter from where the fence is now and 186 00:11:25,095 --> 00:11:27,575 Speaker 7: three meters from the house, whereas an actual fact that 187 00:11:27,575 --> 00:11:31,775 Speaker 7: it's four meters from the house. So who was responsible 188 00:11:31,935 --> 00:11:34,535 Speaker 7: for that? When? 189 00:11:34,575 --> 00:11:36,055 Speaker 5: When was the shed built? 190 00:11:36,935 --> 00:11:40,135 Speaker 7: Eight year or approximately eight years ago? We've only just 191 00:11:40,455 --> 00:11:42,615 Speaker 7: discovered all this problems recently. 192 00:11:42,895 --> 00:11:44,615 Speaker 5: And did you have the shed built or was it 193 00:11:44,735 --> 00:11:45,335 Speaker 5: there when. 194 00:11:45,175 --> 00:11:49,655 Speaker 7: You Yeah, no, no, we had it built there. Okay, 195 00:11:51,055 --> 00:11:54,415 Speaker 7: So on the planet shows and we didn't have the 196 00:11:54,455 --> 00:11:58,895 Speaker 7: plan a few a short time ago. So I've only 197 00:11:58,975 --> 00:12:02,735 Speaker 7: just recently got the plan actually from a copy from 198 00:12:02,735 --> 00:12:08,215 Speaker 7: the councilor Yes, it shows the plan as the building 199 00:12:08,215 --> 00:12:14,175 Speaker 7: should be one meter from the true boundary. Yeah, and 200 00:12:14,375 --> 00:12:16,695 Speaker 7: I've actually had a survey person round to have a 201 00:12:16,695 --> 00:12:19,735 Speaker 7: look and say, yes, that's true where it should be. 202 00:12:19,855 --> 00:12:23,015 Speaker 7: But of course an actual faith they've taken one meter 203 00:12:23,175 --> 00:12:26,415 Speaker 7: from the sisting fence, which was in the wrong pace. 204 00:12:26,495 --> 00:12:29,255 Speaker 7: So who's technically wrong? 205 00:12:29,775 --> 00:12:35,015 Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think hm, the fact that so the 206 00:12:35,055 --> 00:12:39,295 Speaker 5: building consent was issued you think sometime around two thousand 207 00:12:39,735 --> 00:12:45,095 Speaker 5: and twenty sixteen. Okay, that's not the dim dark past, right, 208 00:12:46,695 --> 00:12:50,015 Speaker 5: So it was common practice what it is now, and 209 00:12:50,055 --> 00:12:54,815 Speaker 5: it was certainly then to have to determine the boundary 210 00:12:54,895 --> 00:12:58,015 Speaker 5: and then prove the loco that Typically when you know, 211 00:12:58,055 --> 00:13:01,775 Speaker 5: the first inspection is you've established your boundary, you've done 212 00:13:01,815 --> 00:13:05,815 Speaker 5: your earthworks and site works and you know dug the footings. 213 00:13:05,895 --> 00:13:09,135 Speaker 5: Let's say you're ready to pull the slab. Council inspector 214 00:13:09,175 --> 00:13:10,935 Speaker 5: comes out and one of the things that they'll ask 215 00:13:11,015 --> 00:13:13,935 Speaker 5: for is either evidence of where the boundary is, like 216 00:13:14,015 --> 00:13:16,255 Speaker 5: can you show me the boundary pegs and prove to 217 00:13:16,295 --> 00:13:19,215 Speaker 5: me that it's in the right place, or you provide 218 00:13:19,215 --> 00:13:22,815 Speaker 5: the inspector with a citing certificate from a surveyor who's 219 00:13:22,855 --> 00:13:25,215 Speaker 5: come out to determine that the building is in the 220 00:13:25,295 --> 00:13:29,935 Speaker 5: right place. And so somehow your building got built without 221 00:13:30,015 --> 00:13:37,975 Speaker 5: either of those two checks being undertaken. So, and given 222 00:13:37,975 --> 00:13:40,935 Speaker 5: that it's only eight years ago, the contractor who did 223 00:13:40,975 --> 00:13:45,095 Speaker 5: the work is probably still responsible for it. Now they 224 00:13:45,175 --> 00:13:47,855 Speaker 5: might say, well, look, we were not told where the 225 00:13:47,895 --> 00:13:51,255 Speaker 5: boundary was, but I would still probably argue that it 226 00:13:51,375 --> 00:13:55,175 Speaker 5: is their responsibility to do that. And they could say, well, 227 00:13:55,215 --> 00:13:57,135 Speaker 5: council signed it off, in which case you could go 228 00:13:57,215 --> 00:13:59,215 Speaker 5: back to council and say, well, hang on, how come 229 00:13:59,255 --> 00:14:01,895 Speaker 5: you guys didn't pick this up. 230 00:14:02,735 --> 00:14:06,655 Speaker 7: Yeah, well I've had to talk to the councilor said 231 00:14:06,735 --> 00:14:11,375 Speaker 7: no to it, which I can, and they. 232 00:14:10,935 --> 00:14:12,855 Speaker 5: On what basis did they say no to it? 233 00:14:13,695 --> 00:14:17,055 Speaker 7: Well, I say it's not not their responsibility, and and 234 00:14:17,135 --> 00:14:20,695 Speaker 7: it does say they're on the original thing that it's 235 00:14:20,775 --> 00:14:23,935 Speaker 7: up to the owner and the builder to determine where 236 00:14:24,135 --> 00:14:27,135 Speaker 7: the boundaries are. So they get out of that little 237 00:14:27,175 --> 00:14:33,175 Speaker 7: loophole there. But the only thing is that when we 238 00:14:33,255 --> 00:14:38,575 Speaker 7: built this shed, that was built by a franchise person. 239 00:14:38,775 --> 00:14:43,375 Speaker 7: So does that take it and that franchise person or 240 00:14:43,495 --> 00:14:47,175 Speaker 7: company now is gone. So yeah, does that take it 241 00:14:47,215 --> 00:14:49,255 Speaker 7: away from the original company? 242 00:14:49,375 --> 00:14:52,775 Speaker 5: Well no, this is no, it doesn't. And this is 243 00:14:52,815 --> 00:14:56,335 Speaker 5: the whole point of the licensed building practitioner scheme. Right, 244 00:14:56,855 --> 00:15:00,095 Speaker 5: So one something in the file that you've got, there 245 00:15:00,135 --> 00:15:03,295 Speaker 5: will be the name of an LBP, right who would 246 00:15:03,295 --> 00:15:06,055 Speaker 5: have put in? It's an individual, right, you can't company 247 00:15:06,095 --> 00:15:08,415 Speaker 5: can not be a licensed building practitioner. So it will 248 00:15:08,455 --> 00:15:11,695 Speaker 5: be an individual and they will have responsibility for it. 249 00:15:12,975 --> 00:15:16,895 Speaker 5: So I would track that person down and if they 250 00:15:17,095 --> 00:15:21,095 Speaker 5: are still currently registered, you would certainly have a conversation 251 00:15:21,215 --> 00:15:24,015 Speaker 5: with them. I think even if they weren't registered, they 252 00:15:24,095 --> 00:15:27,775 Speaker 5: still hold some responsibility for their building work for ten 253 00:15:27,855 --> 00:15:30,895 Speaker 5: years after they've done it, and something like not putting 254 00:15:30,935 --> 00:15:35,335 Speaker 5: it in the right place could ultimately still be their responsibility. 255 00:15:35,655 --> 00:15:37,535 Speaker 5: I feel a bit bad for them, but it doesn't 256 00:15:37,575 --> 00:15:39,735 Speaker 5: mean that that's not their responsibility. 257 00:15:40,215 --> 00:15:43,295 Speaker 7: So the person that, as I say, was a franchise 258 00:15:43,335 --> 00:15:45,135 Speaker 7: and now that person has gone. 259 00:15:45,375 --> 00:15:49,815 Speaker 5: Yes, as in the company has gone, but there will 260 00:15:49,855 --> 00:15:53,255 Speaker 5: be on the I presume the building if it got 261 00:15:53,295 --> 00:15:56,815 Speaker 5: a building consent, it also has a code compliant certificate. 262 00:15:57,935 --> 00:16:03,015 Speaker 5: On the code compliance certificate will be the LBP details 263 00:16:03,095 --> 00:16:07,095 Speaker 5: for the builder right now. That might the person who 264 00:16:07,095 --> 00:16:09,215 Speaker 5: did the slab might be a different LBP to the 265 00:16:09,215 --> 00:16:11,655 Speaker 5: person who did the building, but there will be an 266 00:16:11,775 --> 00:16:16,255 Speaker 5: LBP on there and I would pursue them. 267 00:16:16,655 --> 00:16:19,335 Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, okay, all right, thank you. 268 00:16:19,575 --> 00:16:21,095 Speaker 5: Let us know here you get on, Jim, thanks for 269 00:16:21,095 --> 00:16:23,295 Speaker 5: the update. All right, thank you all best bye and 270 00:16:23,335 --> 00:16:25,615 Speaker 5: then we'll take short break. It is twenty two minutes 271 00:16:25,655 --> 00:16:28,695 Speaker 5: after six eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number 272 00:16:28,735 --> 00:16:31,855 Speaker 5: to call your news talks B. Actually, it was nice 273 00:16:31,895 --> 00:16:34,295 Speaker 5: to caught up with life for Sola down at the 274 00:16:34,335 --> 00:16:36,575 Speaker 5: Wellington Home and Garden Show, which is still on today 275 00:16:36,575 --> 00:16:40,255 Speaker 5: by the way, at sky see the Ousaronot sky City 276 00:16:40,295 --> 00:16:43,815 Speaker 5: sky Stadium in Wellington. So I was in Wellington yesterday. 277 00:16:44,375 --> 00:16:46,815 Speaker 5: Delightful flight back home as well on in New Zealand 278 00:16:46,935 --> 00:16:51,295 Speaker 5: with a very lovely Kevin crewmember who, while wandering down 279 00:16:51,295 --> 00:16:54,215 Speaker 5: the aisle goes, oh, hello, mister Wolfcamp, you're working tomorrow morning. 280 00:16:54,335 --> 00:16:56,815 Speaker 5: So I'm working tomorrow morning. Good, she said, I'll tune 281 00:16:56,855 --> 00:16:59,135 Speaker 5: in and listen. So a very good morning to you 282 00:16:59,255 --> 00:17:01,415 Speaker 5: as well and to all of the crew that were 283 00:17:01,455 --> 00:17:03,655 Speaker 5: on the flight. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the 284 00:17:03,735 --> 00:17:08,015 Speaker 5: number to call Charles. Good morning to you, Hi, Peter. 285 00:17:08,895 --> 00:17:13,095 Speaker 9: My problem is an old fleach of brown built roof 286 00:17:13,255 --> 00:17:17,495 Speaker 9: nineteen sixties meant so you don't get too much rust 287 00:17:17,535 --> 00:17:20,575 Speaker 9: down there, but I've got patches of rust in it. 288 00:17:20,735 --> 00:17:24,255 Speaker 9: Can I use a rust converter and then paint over it? 289 00:17:24,535 --> 00:17:27,855 Speaker 9: The roof's been unpainted all those years? 290 00:17:28,175 --> 00:17:28,495 Speaker 7: Yes? 291 00:17:28,775 --> 00:17:29,095 Speaker 10: Why not? 292 00:17:29,255 --> 00:17:31,295 Speaker 5: I mean, look, if the ruster is, you know, starting 293 00:17:31,375 --> 00:17:33,895 Speaker 5: to bubble or eat all the way through, then maybe 294 00:17:33,935 --> 00:17:36,495 Speaker 5: you need to look at either repair or replacement. And 295 00:17:36,575 --> 00:17:40,135 Speaker 5: to be fair, a nineteen sixties roof, like my nineteen 296 00:17:40,215 --> 00:17:44,415 Speaker 5: sixties knees may need some replacement, right so you know 297 00:17:44,735 --> 00:17:46,815 Speaker 5: you'll be able to eke out an extra couple of years. 298 00:17:47,655 --> 00:17:49,775 Speaker 5: But yeah, you could do, you know, treat the rust, 299 00:17:49,855 --> 00:17:52,095 Speaker 5: put another coat of paint on it. That'll certainly do it. 300 00:17:52,415 --> 00:17:55,415 Speaker 5: There's interestingly enough, there's there's a couple of products that 301 00:17:55,455 --> 00:17:58,575 Speaker 5: have come onto the market recently which are like a 302 00:17:58,775 --> 00:18:02,295 Speaker 5: thick viscous membrane which has sprayed over the top of 303 00:18:02,455 --> 00:18:05,175 Speaker 5: old roofs as well. So if you wanted to spend 304 00:18:05,215 --> 00:18:07,015 Speaker 5: a bit more money, you could get contractor and the 305 00:18:07,135 --> 00:18:09,735 Speaker 5: do that type of thing. 306 00:18:09,855 --> 00:18:12,175 Speaker 9: Can you recommend the prom product that I can just 307 00:18:12,215 --> 00:18:13,375 Speaker 9: paint on the patches. 308 00:18:14,135 --> 00:18:17,175 Speaker 5: Paint on patches. You sound like me back in the 309 00:18:17,175 --> 00:18:19,375 Speaker 5: eighties cutting up my T shirt and putting it over 310 00:18:19,415 --> 00:18:22,055 Speaker 5: the holes and the roof that I was painting. I 311 00:18:22,055 --> 00:18:24,335 Speaker 5: think that actually worked quite well. By the way. Look, 312 00:18:24,375 --> 00:18:26,895 Speaker 5: I wouldn't recommend that, partly because I went through a 313 00:18:26,935 --> 00:18:30,975 Speaker 5: lot of T shirts while I was painting. There's not 314 00:18:31,455 --> 00:18:35,175 Speaker 5: in terms of patches, there's really no recommended way of 315 00:18:35,255 --> 00:18:35,695 Speaker 5: doing that. 316 00:18:35,775 --> 00:18:35,975 Speaker 7: Right. 317 00:18:37,255 --> 00:18:40,655 Speaker 5: So you could try and patch the sheets with another 318 00:18:40,695 --> 00:18:43,775 Speaker 5: sheet of tin and sort of a bead of sealant, 319 00:18:43,775 --> 00:18:47,855 Speaker 5: but often they just become a damn at a certain stage. 320 00:18:47,895 --> 00:18:49,775 Speaker 5: Can I say with the graves to respect the roof 321 00:18:49,815 --> 00:18:52,775 Speaker 5: has served you well, maybe you need to just look 322 00:18:52,815 --> 00:18:53,895 Speaker 5: at replacing the roof. 323 00:18:55,095 --> 00:18:55,935 Speaker 9: We thank you very much. 324 00:18:56,335 --> 00:18:59,775 Speaker 5: Nice to chat with Charles. You take care by then. 325 00:19:00,695 --> 00:19:03,295 Speaker 5: I remember doing that. I was painting. It was kind 326 00:19:03,295 --> 00:19:04,935 Speaker 5: of like a contra thing, you know. I was helping 327 00:19:04,935 --> 00:19:07,495 Speaker 5: out a mate, and every now and then there was 328 00:19:07,615 --> 00:19:10,255 Speaker 5: like a small rust patch was appearing on this old 329 00:19:10,255 --> 00:19:14,255 Speaker 5: corrigid iron roof, and quite literally, and I say this 330 00:19:14,615 --> 00:19:18,415 Speaker 5: slightly shamefully, we'd just sort of rip outful cut off 331 00:19:18,415 --> 00:19:20,495 Speaker 5: a section of T shirt that we were wearing, dip 332 00:19:20,495 --> 00:19:22,695 Speaker 5: it in the bucket of paint, so we'd sucked up 333 00:19:22,735 --> 00:19:25,735 Speaker 5: all the paint, put that on top of the patch, 334 00:19:26,295 --> 00:19:27,615 Speaker 5: or put that as a patch on top of the 335 00:19:27,655 --> 00:19:29,935 Speaker 5: little rusthole that had developed, and then just paint more 336 00:19:29,935 --> 00:19:31,455 Speaker 5: paint over the top of it. I don't know how 337 00:19:31,455 --> 00:19:34,055 Speaker 5: long it lasted, and I'm not suggesting it's a suitable 338 00:19:34,135 --> 00:19:38,175 Speaker 5: method of repairing, but hey needs must Oh eight hundred 339 00:19:38,295 --> 00:19:40,615 Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. I'm just 340 00:19:40,695 --> 00:19:42,735 Speaker 5: trying to I was thinking about painting that roof too. 341 00:19:44,135 --> 00:19:45,855 Speaker 5: It was quite steep because it was an old villa 342 00:19:47,215 --> 00:19:51,855 Speaker 5: and he's sort of scampering around there as a young 343 00:19:51,895 --> 00:19:53,055 Speaker 5: fellow with a bucket of paint. 344 00:19:55,935 --> 00:19:56,175 Speaker 11: It was. 345 00:19:56,295 --> 00:19:58,055 Speaker 5: It felt like a long way to the ground too. 346 00:19:58,135 --> 00:20:00,655 Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call. Lorraine. 347 00:20:00,655 --> 00:20:03,095 Speaker 5: Good morning to you, Good morning peat. 348 00:20:03,855 --> 00:20:06,455 Speaker 12: I'm looking at a house that's got metra pedaling in 349 00:20:06,495 --> 00:20:10,535 Speaker 12: the walls and internal walls. Can you talk to people? 350 00:20:10,615 --> 00:20:13,015 Speaker 12: Nobody seems to have heard much about it. Can you 351 00:20:13,015 --> 00:20:14,255 Speaker 12: tell me is that a good thing or not? 352 00:20:14,655 --> 00:20:16,215 Speaker 5: Sorry? A walling product? 353 00:20:16,255 --> 00:20:18,975 Speaker 12: Which one in a house? I'm looking to buy it. 354 00:20:19,455 --> 00:20:23,735 Speaker 12: The internal walls are made of metropalne. Before you can 355 00:20:24,295 --> 00:20:27,135 Speaker 12: hear you tell me whether it's a good thing or not. 356 00:20:28,095 --> 00:20:34,655 Speaker 5: Yes, look what metropanel is. I think it's actually Jane L. 357 00:20:34,975 --> 00:20:39,215 Speaker 5: Duken's triboard, right, So it's made as triboard and when 358 00:20:39,255 --> 00:20:42,535 Speaker 5: it gets sold through that company it becomes metropanel. So 359 00:20:42,575 --> 00:20:45,415 Speaker 5: it's like either a thirty six or a thirty nine 360 00:20:45,495 --> 00:20:50,375 Speaker 5: millimeter composite board which has a strand board core and 361 00:20:50,415 --> 00:20:54,295 Speaker 5: then NDF on each side, so it's a solid panel. 362 00:20:54,455 --> 00:20:57,415 Speaker 5: And in fact, when I was in Wellington yesterday, the 363 00:20:57,855 --> 00:21:00,735 Speaker 5: Easy Build team they use it as part of their bill. 364 00:21:00,935 --> 00:21:03,735 Speaker 5: There's a crowd that we've talked to up in the 365 00:21:03,775 --> 00:21:07,455 Speaker 5: Far North Panel Locke who also uses So rather than 366 00:21:07,495 --> 00:21:09,975 Speaker 5: having a timber stud and then plasterboard lining and all 367 00:21:10,015 --> 00:21:12,575 Speaker 5: the rest of it, it's simply you assemble your entire 368 00:21:12,615 --> 00:21:18,015 Speaker 5: house using these panels. Yeah. Look it's durable, it's robust, 369 00:21:18,255 --> 00:21:22,095 Speaker 5: it doesn't move around a lot, so I wouldn't have 370 00:21:22,135 --> 00:21:27,415 Speaker 5: any well, I mean it's a wood product, right, so 371 00:21:27,495 --> 00:21:30,655 Speaker 5: it's neither cold nor warm. It is whatever you heat 372 00:21:30,655 --> 00:21:33,255 Speaker 5: it up. So on the perimeter of the house, for example, 373 00:21:33,535 --> 00:21:36,815 Speaker 5: typically you'll have that panel as the inside face and 374 00:21:36,855 --> 00:21:39,815 Speaker 5: as the structural element, and then on the outside they'll 375 00:21:39,815 --> 00:21:42,175 Speaker 5: put on a baton and that's where the insulation go, 376 00:21:42,455 --> 00:21:44,735 Speaker 5: and then the cladding goes over the top of that. 377 00:21:46,055 --> 00:21:47,935 Speaker 5: And you might find if you look up, is the 378 00:21:47,975 --> 00:21:50,135 Speaker 5: ceiling also in this metropanel. 379 00:21:51,175 --> 00:21:53,175 Speaker 12: I don't think so. I think it's just the walls 380 00:21:53,175 --> 00:21:54,735 Speaker 12: which makes it narrower. 381 00:21:55,775 --> 00:21:57,895 Speaker 5: What it is is it's space saving for the floor. 382 00:21:58,095 --> 00:22:00,375 Speaker 12: Yes, yes, But I just wondered because a lot of 383 00:22:00,375 --> 00:22:02,095 Speaker 12: people hadn't heard about it, and you sort of think, well. 384 00:22:03,695 --> 00:22:05,895 Speaker 5: Look, it's been around shivers I. 385 00:22:06,055 --> 00:22:06,895 Speaker 12: Think twenty years. 386 00:22:06,935 --> 00:22:10,175 Speaker 5: I think, oh, even longer, and I've spoken with people 387 00:22:10,175 --> 00:22:11,855 Speaker 5: who are building with it, you know, back in the 388 00:22:11,895 --> 00:22:16,455 Speaker 5: eighties basically, so yeah, it's been around, it's proven itself. 389 00:22:16,575 --> 00:22:20,055 Speaker 5: It is super durable, and you know, one of the 390 00:22:20,135 --> 00:22:22,695 Speaker 5: huge advantage, well, there's number of advantages. One is the 391 00:22:22,735 --> 00:22:26,615 Speaker 5: space saving because you know, if you're within a conventional house, 392 00:22:26,615 --> 00:22:29,295 Speaker 5: if you took the same frame footprint and built it 393 00:22:29,415 --> 00:22:32,775 Speaker 5: using that sort of panel system, you can save about 394 00:22:32,855 --> 00:22:35,255 Speaker 5: I think it's close to six percent of the floor 395 00:22:35,295 --> 00:22:38,295 Speaker 5: space just by reducing the thickness of all of those walls, 396 00:22:39,175 --> 00:22:42,415 Speaker 5: and yeah, in terms of rigidity and so on, it's great. 397 00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:45,335 Speaker 5: In terms of robustness, you know, the ability to resist 398 00:22:45,415 --> 00:22:48,295 Speaker 5: knocks and so on, it's got some huge advantages as well. 399 00:22:48,975 --> 00:22:50,855 Speaker 12: So once it's up, though, you cannot put a new 400 00:22:50,855 --> 00:22:52,495 Speaker 12: plugs or anything like that. You have to have them 401 00:22:52,495 --> 00:22:54,495 Speaker 12: because it's like a kit set, so you have to 402 00:22:54,535 --> 00:22:57,095 Speaker 12: have all your points and everything put them beforehand. Is 403 00:22:57,135 --> 00:22:57,695 Speaker 12: that correct? 404 00:22:57,895 --> 00:23:01,055 Speaker 5: Yes, that yeah, because getting there is no inside of 405 00:23:01,055 --> 00:23:03,735 Speaker 5: the wall to get to. So typically at the time 406 00:23:03,775 --> 00:23:07,815 Speaker 5: of construction, if they're going to do light switches, powerpoints, 407 00:23:07,815 --> 00:23:11,135 Speaker 5: that sort of thing, they're routed into the sheet and 408 00:23:11,415 --> 00:23:14,735 Speaker 5: then you know there's there's a pathway for that cabling 409 00:23:14,775 --> 00:23:18,575 Speaker 5: to go. So if you were to add in new cabling, 410 00:23:19,055 --> 00:23:21,335 Speaker 5: maybe with a little bit of care and tension, you 411 00:23:21,335 --> 00:23:23,775 Speaker 5: could try and drill up and then drill out. But 412 00:23:23,815 --> 00:23:25,375 Speaker 5: what you might find is that you just have to 413 00:23:25,375 --> 00:23:27,095 Speaker 5: do it with a bit of trunking on the face 414 00:23:27,375 --> 00:23:28,135 Speaker 5: of the panel. 415 00:23:28,975 --> 00:23:31,055 Speaker 12: What about the pumbing where the pumbing everything is because 416 00:23:31,215 --> 00:23:33,175 Speaker 12: a lot of the pumbing's done from the ceiling. Now, 417 00:23:33,295 --> 00:23:34,535 Speaker 12: is that right from the top of the house now 418 00:23:34,535 --> 00:23:36,175 Speaker 12: the news sometimes. 419 00:23:35,735 --> 00:23:38,015 Speaker 5: But typically in bathrooms, and that what they'll do is 420 00:23:38,055 --> 00:23:41,415 Speaker 5: they'll use the panel and then they'll do effectively creating 421 00:23:41,415 --> 00:23:43,975 Speaker 5: a service's cavity. Right, so there'll be a batman on 422 00:23:44,015 --> 00:23:46,135 Speaker 5: the inside and all of your plumbing runs down there, 423 00:23:46,335 --> 00:23:48,215 Speaker 5: and it might have some lining over the top of it. 424 00:23:49,135 --> 00:23:52,055 Speaker 12: Right, Okay, Yeah, So you don't think it's a problem 425 00:23:51,895 --> 00:23:54,055 Speaker 12: for buying a house like that or even trying to 426 00:23:54,055 --> 00:23:55,055 Speaker 12: sell it at some stage. 427 00:23:55,175 --> 00:23:58,655 Speaker 5: Look, I think it's a product that's been around, you know, 428 00:23:58,655 --> 00:24:02,255 Speaker 5: it's well known within certain sectors. I think it's it's 429 00:24:02,295 --> 00:24:06,335 Speaker 5: proven itself over time, and while not everyone's familiar with it, 430 00:24:06,375 --> 00:24:08,895 Speaker 5: doesn't mean it's not hasn't been around and isn't a 431 00:24:08,935 --> 00:24:09,895 Speaker 5: reliable product. 432 00:24:10,775 --> 00:24:13,015 Speaker 12: Just seemed unusual that a lot of builders, you know, 433 00:24:13,095 --> 00:24:16,295 Speaker 12: even building company rank, hadn't heard of it. 434 00:24:16,975 --> 00:24:17,215 Speaker 10: Yeah. 435 00:24:17,335 --> 00:24:20,575 Speaker 5: Look, that's I think one of the things with you know, 436 00:24:21,175 --> 00:24:23,735 Speaker 5: builders in general, and I'm one of them, right, is 437 00:24:23,775 --> 00:24:26,255 Speaker 5: we kind of stick to what we know, and so 438 00:24:26,775 --> 00:24:29,935 Speaker 5: you know, you can spend your whole building life just 439 00:24:30,015 --> 00:24:32,335 Speaker 5: doing one type of building, and the fact is we've 440 00:24:32,375 --> 00:24:34,495 Speaker 5: got lots of different types of buildings out there and 441 00:24:34,535 --> 00:24:38,135 Speaker 5: lots of different building methodologies. So what you're encountering there 442 00:24:38,215 --> 00:24:40,975 Speaker 5: is one that maybe isn't familiar to everyone. Not to 443 00:24:41,015 --> 00:24:43,175 Speaker 5: say that. I mean, I know people have been building 444 00:24:43,175 --> 00:24:45,455 Speaker 5: with it, like I say, for thirty forty years. 445 00:24:46,095 --> 00:24:48,455 Speaker 12: Yes, yes, So you wouldn't have avoid buying your house 446 00:24:48,455 --> 00:24:50,575 Speaker 12: because it had no problems at all. 447 00:24:50,855 --> 00:24:52,895 Speaker 5: I would frame that by saying, I hope that you 448 00:24:52,935 --> 00:24:55,975 Speaker 5: get independent advice and you make sure that you know 449 00:24:55,975 --> 00:24:58,055 Speaker 5: a whole lot of other things are right with the house. 450 00:24:58,775 --> 00:25:01,895 Speaker 5: But as a broad brush approach, I wouldn't say that 451 00:25:01,935 --> 00:25:03,975 Speaker 5: you have any reason to be too considered. 452 00:25:04,055 --> 00:25:05,975 Speaker 12: They even asked a building inspector and he hadn't heard 453 00:25:05,975 --> 00:25:06,215 Speaker 12: of it. 454 00:25:06,855 --> 00:25:09,015 Speaker 5: Then you need to find a better building inspector. 455 00:25:09,615 --> 00:25:12,655 Speaker 12: Right, Okay, to be blunt, right, that's a good one. 456 00:25:12,855 --> 00:25:15,775 Speaker 5: Nice to talk to you. You take care. See then 457 00:25:15,815 --> 00:25:19,935 Speaker 5: bye bye. Yeah, you need to find a better building inspector. 458 00:25:20,095 --> 00:25:22,255 Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Now someone has 459 00:25:22,295 --> 00:25:24,295 Speaker 5: I love these texts. Hang on hand. Let me deal 460 00:25:24,335 --> 00:25:27,455 Speaker 5: with this one first morning, Pete. Sorry, you're wrong. No 461 00:25:27,695 --> 00:25:30,415 Speaker 5: LBP required for the garage, as it's not restricted building 462 00:25:30,415 --> 00:25:32,975 Speaker 5: work unless it's habitable and is on the inspector. And 463 00:25:33,055 --> 00:25:35,495 Speaker 5: it is on the inspector. If he passed the citing inspection, 464 00:25:35,975 --> 00:25:38,975 Speaker 5: he has had a base to pass on the evidence 465 00:25:39,015 --> 00:25:42,255 Speaker 5: to identifying the boundary. If he's just taken on trust Craig, 466 00:25:42,775 --> 00:25:47,215 Speaker 5: and I of've Craig's opinions all of the time. Hang on, 467 00:25:48,215 --> 00:25:53,935 Speaker 5: if it got a consent, it's restricted building work. I 468 00:25:53,975 --> 00:25:56,335 Speaker 5: know you can build certain types of garages and certain 469 00:25:56,375 --> 00:26:00,015 Speaker 5: locations without necessarily requiring a consent, but this one got 470 00:26:00,015 --> 00:26:03,215 Speaker 5: a consent, and consented work can only be done by 471 00:26:03,255 --> 00:26:06,215 Speaker 5: a licensed building practitioner unless you get an exemption. That's 472 00:26:06,375 --> 00:26:08,735 Speaker 5: point that I was trying to make al. I love 473 00:26:08,775 --> 00:26:11,055 Speaker 5: the text from Craig. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten 474 00:26:11,135 --> 00:26:13,655 Speaker 5: eighty is the number to call John A very good 475 00:26:13,655 --> 00:26:14,215 Speaker 5: morning to you. 476 00:26:15,535 --> 00:26:19,335 Speaker 10: That's the very thing I reng you about, Peter. When 477 00:26:19,335 --> 00:26:22,415 Speaker 10: you're buying a house, you know you can go to 478 00:26:22,495 --> 00:26:26,575 Speaker 10: the local council and anything that's on the council. That's 479 00:26:26,575 --> 00:26:29,255 Speaker 10: why even if it's you know, every time you get 480 00:26:29,255 --> 00:26:31,975 Speaker 10: some alterations it requires a Milligan seat, you've got to 481 00:26:31,975 --> 00:26:33,015 Speaker 10: get a Billigan set. 482 00:26:33,935 --> 00:26:36,655 Speaker 5: And then only if it's restricted building work, and only 483 00:26:36,695 --> 00:26:39,695 Speaker 5: if it's work that does actually require a consent. 484 00:26:40,375 --> 00:26:45,215 Speaker 10: Yeah, I know this particular they got a building a 485 00:26:45,335 --> 00:26:45,815 Speaker 10: set for. 486 00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:46,375 Speaker 8: It, didn't they? 487 00:26:46,495 --> 00:26:50,375 Speaker 5: They did yes, and it got issued with the c SEC, 488 00:26:50,575 --> 00:26:58,295 Speaker 5: didn't it. It would appear so well, I know it does. 489 00:26:59,895 --> 00:27:02,175 Speaker 5: So what I asked, what I asked Jim is did 490 00:27:02,255 --> 00:27:04,695 Speaker 5: it did you have a building consent for this? And 491 00:27:04,775 --> 00:27:07,135 Speaker 5: did it get a CCC? And yes, and yes is 492 00:27:07,135 --> 00:27:11,775 Speaker 5: the answer. And look, you know, think back, I remember building, 493 00:27:12,455 --> 00:27:15,495 Speaker 5: you know, twenty five thirty years ago, right, and would 494 00:27:15,495 --> 00:27:17,655 Speaker 5: do a set out and the inspector would come along 495 00:27:17,695 --> 00:27:19,975 Speaker 5: for the footing inspection and they'd kind of just look 496 00:27:20,015 --> 00:27:22,215 Speaker 5: around and go, yep, looks like it's in the right place. 497 00:27:22,495 --> 00:27:26,055 Speaker 5: Now those days don't exist anymore, right, And eight years 498 00:27:26,095 --> 00:27:30,455 Speaker 5: ago you would set out your foundations, you would either 499 00:27:30,495 --> 00:27:33,175 Speaker 5: do it because the surveyor had been to the site 500 00:27:33,335 --> 00:27:36,575 Speaker 5: beforehand and put in let's say, four boundary pigs for you, 501 00:27:36,615 --> 00:27:38,855 Speaker 5: and then you set the building up on that and 502 00:27:38,975 --> 00:27:41,575 Speaker 5: they would issue a sighting certificate. And in the absence 503 00:27:41,615 --> 00:27:44,375 Speaker 5: of a sighting certificate, you'd have to prove evidence to 504 00:27:44,455 --> 00:27:46,695 Speaker 5: the building inspector at the time that they were coming 505 00:27:46,735 --> 00:27:50,895 Speaker 5: to look at the foundation inspection, the first inspection that 506 00:27:50,975 --> 00:27:53,655 Speaker 5: the building was in the right place. So, you know, 507 00:27:53,735 --> 00:27:56,095 Speaker 5: if Jim had said to me, look, I built the 508 00:27:56,135 --> 00:27:59,175 Speaker 5: garage thirty years ago. I'd say, yeah, I can understand 509 00:27:59,175 --> 00:28:01,135 Speaker 5: how it somehow missed out. 510 00:28:02,215 --> 00:28:05,775 Speaker 10: Peter Yip. Yeah, look I was a building and spricked 511 00:28:05,815 --> 00:28:11,135 Speaker 10: up twenty five years so I know exactly what you're saying. 512 00:28:11,335 --> 00:28:15,135 Speaker 10: What I'm saying is that in the notes of the 513 00:28:15,375 --> 00:28:19,255 Speaker 10: of the inspections there there will be in the notes 514 00:28:19,375 --> 00:28:22,455 Speaker 10: at the Lake Authority where it is, I don't know 515 00:28:22,495 --> 00:28:24,815 Speaker 10: where it is, what council, but there will be in 516 00:28:24,855 --> 00:28:27,895 Speaker 10: the notes that that an inspects it was cool to 517 00:28:28,015 --> 00:28:31,535 Speaker 10: do a citing. That's if it was going to be 518 00:28:31,615 --> 00:28:33,695 Speaker 10: done now. But it's going to be done by the inspector. 519 00:28:34,015 --> 00:28:36,975 Speaker 10: They've got to define the boundaries with the with the 520 00:28:36,975 --> 00:28:40,135 Speaker 10: survey pigs, and then they've got to put lines up 521 00:28:40,175 --> 00:28:42,255 Speaker 10: and stuff, and to just sick to see its being 522 00:28:42,895 --> 00:28:46,535 Speaker 10: cited as accordance with the approved building of scent plans. Now, 523 00:28:46,935 --> 00:28:51,135 Speaker 10: the other way you said is right, if if it's 524 00:28:51,135 --> 00:28:53,095 Speaker 10: a bit done you and they can't find the pigs 525 00:28:53,095 --> 00:28:55,175 Speaker 10: and that, then they've got to employ a serve land 526 00:28:55,815 --> 00:28:58,375 Speaker 10: and they didn't get to prove siding to be that 527 00:28:58,495 --> 00:29:01,695 Speaker 10: will be in the notes. Now if this thing has 528 00:29:01,735 --> 00:29:05,895 Speaker 10: been built with the building concent and it's been issued 529 00:29:05,935 --> 00:29:08,935 Speaker 10: with the side off and it's gone to to be 530 00:29:09,055 --> 00:29:12,615 Speaker 10: a compliance, then it's on the council. The council should 531 00:29:12,655 --> 00:29:17,095 Speaker 10: have evidence to show when that when that siding inspector 532 00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:20,735 Speaker 10: was done and who and who passed it and and 533 00:29:21,095 --> 00:29:23,695 Speaker 10: if they've got no records of that, that's on the council. 534 00:29:24,855 --> 00:29:28,735 Speaker 10: And they shouldn't have done the siding in the building 535 00:29:29,095 --> 00:29:30,855 Speaker 10: said to be a good priance and to finishing the 536 00:29:30,975 --> 00:29:33,935 Speaker 10: job because because it would have been an inspection that 537 00:29:34,095 --> 00:29:37,815 Speaker 10: wasn't done side the inspection. Now the other thing, if 538 00:29:37,815 --> 00:29:40,655 Speaker 10: it didn't require siting inspection that need this isn't to 539 00:29:40,655 --> 00:29:46,135 Speaker 10: be any good pride, you know, from a reason very clear. 540 00:29:46,335 --> 00:29:47,335 Speaker 5: Well, that's where I was. 541 00:29:47,575 --> 00:29:49,375 Speaker 10: Be able to he should go and go to the 542 00:29:49,415 --> 00:29:55,655 Speaker 10: council and get the information from the council as to 543 00:29:55,935 --> 00:29:58,535 Speaker 10: how it was silent, and they should be evidenced there 544 00:29:58,535 --> 00:30:00,335 Speaker 10: that it was cited as approved. 545 00:30:01,775 --> 00:30:03,735 Speaker 5: And that's where I was a little bit surprised because 546 00:30:03,775 --> 00:30:05,775 Speaker 5: he's gone to the council to get the property file 547 00:30:05,895 --> 00:30:08,415 Speaker 5: because he didn't still have the copy of the consent, 548 00:30:08,975 --> 00:30:12,255 Speaker 5: and then he's asked counsel about this and they've just said, no, 549 00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:15,095 Speaker 5: it's not our job. There's a little note on there 550 00:30:15,495 --> 00:30:17,895 Speaker 5: to say that the contractor and the owner. 551 00:30:17,775 --> 00:30:19,375 Speaker 13: Are the job. 552 00:30:19,495 --> 00:30:23,615 Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, I don't think it works that way 553 00:30:23,415 --> 00:30:27,415 Speaker 5: any well, eight years ago. It's just not that long ago. 554 00:30:28,015 --> 00:30:31,335 Speaker 5: It's not like the building practice has changed dramatically in 555 00:30:31,375 --> 00:30:33,935 Speaker 5: the last eight years. And you and I would both agree, 556 00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:38,215 Speaker 5: you know, thirty forty years ago. I mean I remember 557 00:30:38,215 --> 00:30:41,175 Speaker 5: setting out a building. Admittedly it was on a lifestyle block, 558 00:30:41,535 --> 00:30:43,495 Speaker 5: and we had one pig in the ground and it 559 00:30:43,575 --> 00:30:45,335 Speaker 5: was like, that's where the building's going to go, and 560 00:30:45,375 --> 00:30:48,055 Speaker 5: then we did all the rest from there. Now it's 561 00:30:48,095 --> 00:30:50,655 Speaker 5: not like that anymore, right, And it wasn't like that 562 00:30:50,735 --> 00:30:53,135 Speaker 5: eight years ago. And I don't understand how he can't 563 00:30:53,135 --> 00:30:54,655 Speaker 5: get counsel to engage on that. 564 00:30:55,255 --> 00:30:58,095 Speaker 10: Peter. It's better now because I'm eighty eight now and 565 00:30:58,135 --> 00:31:01,455 Speaker 10: I retired when I was seventy two from building of streeting, right, 566 00:31:01,495 --> 00:31:04,455 Speaker 10: So we had to wear about those things then, and 567 00:31:05,095 --> 00:31:09,735 Speaker 10: it was very simple. You know, they either gave you 568 00:31:11,215 --> 00:31:17,495 Speaker 10: a certificate from a license you know, SERVO or else 569 00:31:18,175 --> 00:31:20,335 Speaker 10: and it'll be in the notes. There's no way that 570 00:31:20,375 --> 00:31:23,335 Speaker 10: they know we don't know about that. 571 00:31:23,975 --> 00:31:25,615 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think maybe he needs to get someone to 572 00:31:25,695 --> 00:31:29,095 Speaker 5: argue on his behalf. With regard to counsel John, I 573 00:31:29,215 --> 00:31:32,775 Speaker 5: love the experience and the insights. Now update update old 574 00:31:32,775 --> 00:31:39,375 Speaker 5: inspectors one hundred percent correct from Craig. I agree with you, right, Craig. Update. Yes, 575 00:31:39,615 --> 00:31:42,375 Speaker 5: standalone garage does need a consent, but it only needs 576 00:31:42,375 --> 00:31:46,335 Speaker 5: an LBP if it's habitable. So if it's not a 577 00:31:46,335 --> 00:31:48,735 Speaker 5: habitable building, I you know, you get a company that 578 00:31:48,775 --> 00:31:51,375 Speaker 5: specializes in garages, they'll need to get a consent for it, 579 00:31:51,415 --> 00:31:53,215 Speaker 5: but the people who do it don't need to be 580 00:31:53,255 --> 00:31:57,815 Speaker 5: an LBP. That is genuinely news for me. I was 581 00:31:58,255 --> 00:32:01,855 Speaker 5: very much under the impression that if it's a consent, 582 00:32:01,975 --> 00:32:06,815 Speaker 5: it needs to be restrict A consent basically defines what 583 00:32:06,975 --> 00:32:08,175 Speaker 5: restricted building work is. 584 00:32:08,295 --> 00:32:08,535 Speaker 10: Right. 585 00:32:08,615 --> 00:32:11,575 Speaker 5: You can do work that's building work that's not restricted 586 00:32:11,655 --> 00:32:13,535 Speaker 5: if it didn't have a consent. If you get a consent, 587 00:32:13,575 --> 00:32:16,975 Speaker 5: it becomes restricted building work. Restricted building work can only 588 00:32:17,015 --> 00:32:20,815 Speaker 5: be done or undertaken or supervised by an LBP. I'm 589 00:32:20,815 --> 00:32:22,815 Speaker 5: going to have to do a bit more reading on that, Craig. 590 00:32:22,895 --> 00:32:24,695 Speaker 5: Thank you very much, sir. We'll call that one a draw. 591 00:32:24,735 --> 00:32:27,055 Speaker 5: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number 592 00:32:27,095 --> 00:32:31,095 Speaker 5: to call it a six forty two at newstalk zeb radio. 593 00:32:31,655 --> 00:32:33,695 Speaker 5: Very good morning to you all, and at least a 594 00:32:33,815 --> 00:32:34,735 Speaker 5: very good morning to you. 595 00:32:35,975 --> 00:32:38,335 Speaker 14: Good morning, how are you very well? 596 00:32:38,375 --> 00:32:38,815 Speaker 5: Thank you? 597 00:32:39,775 --> 00:32:40,415 Speaker 12: It's use. 598 00:32:41,055 --> 00:32:44,295 Speaker 14: So I've got just an interesting little problem, and I'm 599 00:32:44,335 --> 00:32:48,135 Speaker 14: sure you're be intrigued about. I think just my house 600 00:32:48,175 --> 00:32:55,135 Speaker 14: eleven years ago and welcome they total and when I 601 00:32:55,135 --> 00:32:57,575 Speaker 14: would just sell that three years later, I decided I 602 00:32:57,575 --> 00:33:02,455 Speaker 14: had accounts of decided that it had no compliants and 603 00:33:03,575 --> 00:33:10,455 Speaker 14: all the checks that I've done with frugal, so I 604 00:33:10,495 --> 00:33:13,095 Speaker 14: had over silence to try and sell it privately to 605 00:33:13,175 --> 00:33:16,375 Speaker 14: or a developer. So he got the council down and 606 00:33:16,975 --> 00:33:21,575 Speaker 14: turns out that the house, the only thing on the 607 00:33:21,655 --> 00:33:24,815 Speaker 14: council file that was not ticked off was the piles. 608 00:33:25,455 --> 00:33:29,375 Speaker 14: Everything else is tack dated and signed. So we believe 609 00:33:29,495 --> 00:33:33,295 Speaker 14: it's that an administrative area year odd years ago when 610 00:33:33,335 --> 00:33:40,295 Speaker 14: the house is constructed. However, now one of my boundaries 611 00:33:40,415 --> 00:33:45,135 Speaker 14: is on to a X Housing year leland the house 612 00:33:45,735 --> 00:33:48,735 Speaker 14: where the tenants have been there for over twenty years, 613 00:33:49,295 --> 00:33:56,615 Speaker 14: and that particular Housing Year Zealand portfolio sold over eleven 614 00:33:56,735 --> 00:34:03,175 Speaker 14: hundred properties to an Australian company called IHC, And so 615 00:34:03,775 --> 00:34:07,015 Speaker 14: they mean that and they had the tenants vis my 616 00:34:07,255 --> 00:34:11,455 Speaker 14: boundary needed they planted a plant to caught an a 617 00:34:11,575 --> 00:34:18,855 Speaker 14: plant about twenty years ago, and that has encroached onto 618 00:34:18,855 --> 00:34:22,735 Speaker 14: my intection to the tune onto my boundaries in the government. 619 00:34:22,855 --> 00:34:26,535 Speaker 14: I'm not living at this house right most of the time, 620 00:34:26,935 --> 00:34:29,255 Speaker 14: but to the tune of about a meter and a half. 621 00:34:30,055 --> 00:34:32,495 Speaker 14: So we needed to leave a defense and redo defense 622 00:34:32,575 --> 00:34:34,855 Speaker 14: so we could decide what we're going to do with 623 00:34:34,895 --> 00:34:39,215 Speaker 14: our property. When doing that, the digger came in and 624 00:34:39,335 --> 00:34:45,015 Speaker 14: caused one hell of a mess and up popped three 625 00:34:45,095 --> 00:34:49,615 Speaker 14: springs on the groundw market his digger line fresh water 626 00:34:49,775 --> 00:34:59,375 Speaker 14: springs the best of them, one lesa of fresh spring 627 00:34:59,575 --> 00:35:05,175 Speaker 14: water every minute, So now I want the water. They 628 00:35:05,295 --> 00:35:09,335 Speaker 14: just not a boundary, and no one's playing game with anyone, 629 00:35:09,415 --> 00:35:12,615 Speaker 14: you know, if they say the focus the boundary alone 630 00:35:13,535 --> 00:35:15,615 Speaker 14: down across nineteen thousand. 631 00:35:15,215 --> 00:35:17,455 Speaker 5: Dollars and they want to surveys. 632 00:35:17,615 --> 00:35:23,215 Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, now right, age what works? And so that's 633 00:35:23,215 --> 00:35:30,695 Speaker 14: turning into a very just thing conversation where yeah, I'll 634 00:35:30,735 --> 00:35:33,095 Speaker 14: take liability, all right, if you can assure me that 635 00:35:33,255 --> 00:35:34,655 Speaker 14: that water gets three directed. 636 00:35:34,735 --> 00:35:39,695 Speaker 5: In my fiction, I can just see this becoming vastly, 637 00:35:39,935 --> 00:35:44,215 Speaker 5: vastly complicated in a in a very short manner of time. Unfortunately, 638 00:35:45,215 --> 00:35:48,295 Speaker 5: I appreciate the I mean it is. It is phenomenal 639 00:35:48,335 --> 00:35:51,855 Speaker 5: how complex these things get in a remark like I say, 640 00:35:51,975 --> 00:35:54,775 Speaker 5: remarkably short amount of time. I hope it all works out. 641 00:35:54,815 --> 00:35:56,455 Speaker 5: I'm not sure there's a question then there, So I 642 00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:58,975 Speaker 5: hope it all works out for you. It is six 643 00:35:59,135 --> 00:36:02,055 Speaker 5: forty eight here at news Talk CB. I chat for 644 00:36:02,055 --> 00:36:04,055 Speaker 5: a second longer. It's actually six forty nine. Time to 645 00:36:04,095 --> 00:36:05,655 Speaker 5: take a break back after the break a couple of 646 00:36:05,695 --> 00:36:08,495 Speaker 5: speed lines for right now? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty 647 00:36:08,615 --> 00:36:11,535 Speaker 5: is that number to call? So just clearing up some 648 00:36:11,655 --> 00:36:16,015 Speaker 5: of the confusion, let's say, and if I've been part 649 00:36:16,055 --> 00:36:19,455 Speaker 5: of that, my apologies for that. So LBP work that's 650 00:36:19,615 --> 00:36:25,055 Speaker 5: excluded is covered in the building dot gov dot NZ 651 00:36:25,455 --> 00:36:29,895 Speaker 5: website if you sort of go projects and construction. I 652 00:36:29,895 --> 00:36:32,215 Speaker 5: don't think I can bring up a hyperlink through the text. 653 00:36:32,535 --> 00:36:36,015 Speaker 5: Oh I can. How exciting, right, So I'll have a 654 00:36:36,015 --> 00:36:39,335 Speaker 5: look at that. And what it is is things where 655 00:36:39,455 --> 00:36:43,655 Speaker 5: you might need a consent for it, but it doesn't 656 00:36:43,695 --> 00:36:49,095 Speaker 5: necessarily need an LBP to do the work. And that 657 00:36:49,135 --> 00:36:52,175 Speaker 5: includes garages if they're not going to be habitable. So 658 00:36:52,255 --> 00:36:55,615 Speaker 5: if they suddenly become a habitable space, then suddenly they 659 00:36:55,695 --> 00:36:59,055 Speaker 5: do need to have an LBP actually undertake the work 660 00:36:59,095 --> 00:37:01,295 Speaker 5: as well. I'll dig into a bit more of this 661 00:37:01,495 --> 00:37:04,095 Speaker 5: detail for you shortly. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty 662 00:37:04,175 --> 00:37:06,255 Speaker 5: is the number to call, and the lines are over 663 00:37:06,375 --> 00:37:12,695 Speaker 5: an art A very good morning to you get art. Hello, Yeah, 664 00:37:12,695 --> 00:37:15,295 Speaker 5: Matt from christ Church, Matt, good morning. 665 00:37:16,095 --> 00:37:16,575 Speaker 7: Good morning. 666 00:37:17,375 --> 00:37:21,535 Speaker 15: Is it possible to relay concrete over concrete head? I've 667 00:37:21,535 --> 00:37:24,455 Speaker 15: got a concrete pair that's tilting it towards the garage door. 668 00:37:24,935 --> 00:37:26,975 Speaker 15: Previously it was tilted away from the garage door, so 669 00:37:27,135 --> 00:37:29,735 Speaker 15: got water going into the garage. 670 00:37:30,135 --> 00:37:32,855 Speaker 5: I suppose the concern with you know, those sorts of 671 00:37:32,895 --> 00:37:36,695 Speaker 5: repairs is will you get it to add here? So 672 00:37:37,375 --> 00:37:39,295 Speaker 5: you know, I would say that you could. You can 673 00:37:39,375 --> 00:37:41,495 Speaker 5: lay a new slab over the top of an old 674 00:37:41,535 --> 00:37:45,095 Speaker 5: one if you've got it, you know, I'd say a 675 00:37:45,175 --> 00:37:48,215 Speaker 5: minimum of seventy five millimeters, and then you'd want to 676 00:37:48,215 --> 00:37:51,455 Speaker 5: make sure that the two bond together. The other problem 677 00:37:51,495 --> 00:37:54,535 Speaker 5: that I can see is that if the existing one 678 00:37:54,615 --> 00:37:57,055 Speaker 5: is moving and you pour another one on top, what's 679 00:37:57,095 --> 00:37:59,175 Speaker 5: to stop both of them then moving? 680 00:38:01,415 --> 00:38:07,295 Speaker 15: I think it's said, yeah, okay, I wouldn't be pouring 681 00:38:07,295 --> 00:38:10,815 Speaker 15: a pad it looks like I had to cut. 682 00:38:10,575 --> 00:38:11,055 Speaker 7: It and break. 683 00:38:11,535 --> 00:38:13,855 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, because you know, to be fair, anything 684 00:38:13,935 --> 00:38:16,055 Speaker 5: less than that you'll find that it will break and 685 00:38:16,935 --> 00:38:20,015 Speaker 5: delaminate anyway, Right, So you'd put a lot of effort 686 00:38:20,015 --> 00:38:22,615 Speaker 5: into doing it and then find it doesn't last very long. 687 00:38:22,655 --> 00:38:25,855 Speaker 5: I think, you know, the typical practice would be to 688 00:38:25,895 --> 00:38:28,935 Speaker 5: break up what's there already and simply pour a new 689 00:38:29,055 --> 00:38:32,855 Speaker 5: pad and you'll certainly get a much better job. 690 00:38:35,055 --> 00:38:36,015 Speaker 15: I thought that would be advice. 691 00:38:36,655 --> 00:38:40,495 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And just you know, make sure you dispose 692 00:38:40,535 --> 00:38:42,815 Speaker 5: of the hard fill somewhere where it can be recycled. 693 00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:46,335 Speaker 5: So there's there's I would imagine in Christ it's probably 694 00:38:46,375 --> 00:38:48,895 Speaker 5: a number of places that do recycling of hard fill 695 00:38:49,375 --> 00:38:53,935 Speaker 5: rather than just send it off to landfill. All the 696 00:38:54,015 --> 00:38:59,015 Speaker 5: very best, you take care, all the best. Self leveling 697 00:38:59,055 --> 00:39:02,255 Speaker 5: compound does good for Mark, for Christ. It's not the garrette, 698 00:39:02,295 --> 00:39:04,895 Speaker 5: it's the path on the outside. I think doing self 699 00:39:04,935 --> 00:39:07,575 Speaker 5: leveling compound where it's exposed to the elements not a 700 00:39:07,615 --> 00:39:10,135 Speaker 5: good idea. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty 701 00:39:10,215 --> 00:39:12,775 Speaker 5: is the number to call. We will come back straight 702 00:39:12,815 --> 00:39:14,815 Speaker 5: after news Sport and we're the top of the hour 703 00:39:14,855 --> 00:39:17,175 Speaker 5: that's about a minute away. In the next hour, we're 704 00:39:17,215 --> 00:39:18,935 Speaker 5: going to catch up with Tim Pearson actually, who's a 705 00:39:18,935 --> 00:39:21,815 Speaker 5: builder just outside of christ Church who's been using some 706 00:39:21,855 --> 00:39:24,015 Speaker 5: of the J and l J panel which I used 707 00:39:24,015 --> 00:39:25,775 Speaker 5: on little projects. So we're going to chat with Tim 708 00:39:26,335 --> 00:39:29,375 Speaker 5: also in the hour from eight o'clock onwards, or the 709 00:39:29,375 --> 00:39:32,855 Speaker 5: half hour before it arrives. Your special guest joining me 710 00:39:32,975 --> 00:39:37,055 Speaker 5: on the program, Storm Harpham Harpam, who is a specialist 711 00:39:37,135 --> 00:39:40,695 Speaker 5: in ventilation. I picked up on a really good article 712 00:39:40,695 --> 00:39:44,295 Speaker 5: that she wrote and posted on LinkedIn talking about the 713 00:39:44,415 --> 00:39:47,975 Speaker 5: proposed changes to wind back H one of the building 714 00:39:48,015 --> 00:39:51,615 Speaker 5: Code and her response to that, and also a whole 715 00:39:51,655 --> 00:39:55,255 Speaker 5: lot of really useful articles around the importance of ventilation. 716 00:39:55,535 --> 00:39:58,135 Speaker 5: And my first question to her is going to be, 717 00:39:58,175 --> 00:40:00,215 Speaker 5: and I'll take your questions as well via the text. 718 00:40:00,495 --> 00:40:03,175 Speaker 5: You know, how is ventilation not just opening the window? 719 00:40:03,655 --> 00:40:06,855 Speaker 5: And how have we suddenly gone from just open a 720 00:40:06,895 --> 00:40:10,055 Speaker 5: window to requiring ventilation. There's a lot in it, So 721 00:40:10,095 --> 00:40:13,095 Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to conversation with Storm after the eight 722 00:40:13,135 --> 00:40:16,015 Speaker 5: o'clock news this morning as well. If you've got a question, 723 00:40:16,095 --> 00:40:18,935 Speaker 5: call us now, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is 724 00:40:18,975 --> 00:40:21,735 Speaker 5: that number to call. Any of your building and building 725 00:40:21,855 --> 00:40:25,735 Speaker 5: related inquiries and questions are welcome on the show. Like 726 00:40:25,735 --> 00:40:28,015 Speaker 5: I said, we've got news, sport and weather top of 727 00:40:28,055 --> 00:40:31,455 Speaker 5: the hour at seven o'clock and we're back straight after 728 00:40:31,495 --> 00:40:33,775 Speaker 5: the news and a very good morning. Welcome back to 729 00:40:33,815 --> 00:40:36,015 Speaker 5: the show. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the 730 00:40:36,095 --> 00:40:38,815 Speaker 5: number to call if you've got a building question. That 731 00:40:38,975 --> 00:40:42,335 Speaker 5: is the number, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can 732 00:40:42,335 --> 00:40:44,775 Speaker 5: also text through, and we've had some very fine texts 733 00:40:44,815 --> 00:40:48,575 Speaker 5: this morning. Nine to nine two is EZB from your 734 00:40:48,575 --> 00:40:51,415 Speaker 5: mobile phone. If you'd like to email me, you're more 735 00:40:51,455 --> 00:40:53,255 Speaker 5: than welcome to do that. In fact, I did get 736 00:40:53,295 --> 00:40:57,735 Speaker 5: an email this morning from jan who has sent me. 737 00:40:58,735 --> 00:41:01,415 Speaker 5: The usefulness of the email is you can attach photographs. Right, 738 00:41:02,375 --> 00:41:08,015 Speaker 5: So she has sent me a photograph showing a solution 739 00:41:08,215 --> 00:41:11,455 Speaker 5: to a roofing issue that she has. I presume she 740 00:41:13,255 --> 00:41:15,615 Speaker 5: the problem with the roof is odd looking solution for 741 00:41:15,695 --> 00:41:18,215 Speaker 5: rainwater gushing off the roof above the front door see 742 00:41:18,255 --> 00:41:20,935 Speaker 5: the pitcher and sure enough it is just pouring over 743 00:41:20,975 --> 00:41:24,375 Speaker 5: the spouting. He has laid a downpipe horizontally for a 744 00:41:24,375 --> 00:41:28,015 Speaker 5: couple of meters above the guttering. Now think about a spreader, right, 745 00:41:28,095 --> 00:41:32,255 Speaker 5: which is a not uncommon methodology. If you've got an 746 00:41:32,335 --> 00:41:35,975 Speaker 5: upper roof discharging onto a lower roof, typically you have 747 00:41:36,095 --> 00:41:38,295 Speaker 5: the downpipe coming down, you extend it a little bit 748 00:41:38,295 --> 00:41:40,415 Speaker 5: onto the lower roof, and then to ensure that the 749 00:41:40,455 --> 00:41:43,815 Speaker 5: water doesn't just pour down in one location, you install 750 00:41:43,975 --> 00:41:47,135 Speaker 5: a spreader. They're generally maybe half a meter wide, so 751 00:41:47,255 --> 00:41:49,855 Speaker 5: five hundred millimeters. You put an end cap on them, 752 00:41:49,895 --> 00:41:52,175 Speaker 5: You drill a series of holes, and it spreads the 753 00:41:52,655 --> 00:41:57,135 Speaker 5: distribution jan with the grace. Respect. I have never, ever, 754 00:41:57,375 --> 00:42:02,055 Speaker 5: ever in my life, seen a spreader that's probably about 755 00:42:02,095 --> 00:42:09,055 Speaker 5: two and a half meters long, So if you're familiar 756 00:42:09,055 --> 00:42:11,335 Speaker 5: with these, think about a spreader that's two and a 757 00:42:11,375 --> 00:42:14,615 Speaker 5: half met is long with a whole series of holes 758 00:42:14,695 --> 00:42:19,095 Speaker 5: drilled in it that is then distributing the water from 759 00:42:19,135 --> 00:42:22,295 Speaker 5: the top roof onto the lower roof in order to 760 00:42:22,415 --> 00:42:25,495 Speaker 5: stop it overwhelming the lower roof and pouring over the 761 00:42:25,535 --> 00:42:29,015 Speaker 5: spouting right by the front door. So thank you for 762 00:42:29,055 --> 00:42:32,175 Speaker 5: your photograph. What appears to me is that the actual 763 00:42:32,215 --> 00:42:36,135 Speaker 5: problem one, I think that's not a great solution. Two, 764 00:42:36,695 --> 00:42:39,175 Speaker 5: the actual problem is that the lower spouting is set 765 00:42:39,215 --> 00:42:42,535 Speaker 5: too low. So if you're you know, the photograph is 766 00:42:42,575 --> 00:42:46,535 Speaker 5: taken from the ground looking up at the roof. Realistically, 767 00:42:46,575 --> 00:42:48,655 Speaker 5: if you've got a let's say a roof at about 768 00:42:48,695 --> 00:42:51,295 Speaker 5: two and a half three meters high, and you're standing 769 00:42:51,375 --> 00:42:53,935 Speaker 5: four or five meters away from it looking at it, 770 00:42:54,055 --> 00:42:56,735 Speaker 5: you shouldn't be able to see the profile of the iron. 771 00:42:57,175 --> 00:43:00,295 Speaker 5: And I can quite clearly see not just the peak 772 00:43:00,415 --> 00:43:02,735 Speaker 5: of the iron or the rib of the iron, but 773 00:43:02,775 --> 00:43:05,175 Speaker 5: also the trough of the iron, which means that in 774 00:43:05,295 --> 00:43:08,215 Speaker 5: reasonable weather, the water just shoots straight over the top 775 00:43:08,215 --> 00:43:10,775 Speaker 5: of the spouting. So spouting typically is designed with a 776 00:43:10,815 --> 00:43:13,895 Speaker 5: lip at the front, which is there to catch water 777 00:43:14,015 --> 00:43:17,055 Speaker 5: during heavy downpour. So when it's not just dribbling off 778 00:43:17,095 --> 00:43:19,975 Speaker 5: the end of the iron and into the spouting and 779 00:43:20,055 --> 00:43:22,855 Speaker 5: it's got some speed because there's lots of water, you 780 00:43:22,935 --> 00:43:25,375 Speaker 5: want to be able to capture that. And that's not 781 00:43:25,455 --> 00:43:27,615 Speaker 5: what's happening in your instance. So Jan, I think the 782 00:43:27,655 --> 00:43:32,015 Speaker 5: issue is that the spouting is set too low. I 783 00:43:32,055 --> 00:43:34,375 Speaker 5: can understand why it's set too low because they're aiming 784 00:43:34,415 --> 00:43:37,935 Speaker 5: to get to that outlet, which means that they've started 785 00:43:38,255 --> 00:43:40,815 Speaker 5: too low somewhere and just got lower and lower and 786 00:43:40,855 --> 00:43:45,535 Speaker 5: lower and lower. That's your problem. Oh, eight hundred and 787 00:43:45,535 --> 00:43:48,535 Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty. Let's rip into a couple of calls. Remember, 788 00:43:48,615 --> 00:43:50,935 Speaker 5: I've got a guest coming. Guests joining us on the 789 00:43:50,935 --> 00:43:54,455 Speaker 5: program in the next hour as well to talk ventilation, ventilation, 790 00:43:54,895 --> 00:44:00,095 Speaker 5: mold control, moisture control, balance, pressure systems. We're going to 791 00:44:00,095 --> 00:44:02,335 Speaker 5: have a whole half hour on ventilation. It'll be great. 792 00:44:03,975 --> 00:44:05,815 Speaker 5: So my guest will be joining us in the next hour. 793 00:44:06,455 --> 00:44:07,895 Speaker 5: A very good morning, and thanks for wording. 794 00:44:07,935 --> 00:44:11,495 Speaker 16: How are you good morning, Yes, I'm fine, Thank you, 795 00:44:12,055 --> 00:44:16,095 Speaker 16: thanks for taking my call. I have a question around 796 00:44:16,295 --> 00:44:21,855 Speaker 16: installations and new housing. I had a house built seven 797 00:44:21,935 --> 00:44:27,055 Speaker 16: years ago and I had an Atlanta shower put in 798 00:44:27,135 --> 00:44:31,815 Speaker 16: my on Sweet and in my master BA throne. The 799 00:44:31,895 --> 00:44:37,175 Speaker 16: problem is is that my on Swite shower, the scooting 800 00:44:37,215 --> 00:44:41,295 Speaker 16: board started going a little bit dark and the paint 801 00:44:41,415 --> 00:44:44,455 Speaker 16: started to sort of slightly flake just outside of the 802 00:44:44,495 --> 00:44:50,695 Speaker 16: shower door. And then I noticed just recently that black 803 00:44:50,735 --> 00:44:55,375 Speaker 16: mold has come through on an opposing drawer corner and 804 00:44:55,495 --> 00:44:59,495 Speaker 16: across the skirting board behind my bed. So the opposing 805 00:44:59,575 --> 00:45:02,495 Speaker 16: corner is in my dressing room and across my bed. 806 00:45:02,895 --> 00:45:06,495 Speaker 16: So my question is what is the warranty usually on 807 00:45:06,855 --> 00:45:10,935 Speaker 16: installation and the plumbing on a new house if it ten. 808 00:45:10,815 --> 00:45:13,415 Speaker 5: Years typically it is yes. 809 00:45:13,695 --> 00:45:15,055 Speaker 16: Okay, so that's all right. 810 00:45:16,535 --> 00:45:18,855 Speaker 5: If a new build, and I mean seven years is 811 00:45:18,895 --> 00:45:24,335 Speaker 5: not that long ago, and there should be I mean, 812 00:45:24,655 --> 00:45:27,615 Speaker 5: you know that particular brand will have its own warranty 813 00:45:27,655 --> 00:45:31,695 Speaker 5: statement or at least a description of how it's supposed 814 00:45:31,735 --> 00:45:35,655 Speaker 5: to be installed somewhere in the property records. It should 815 00:45:35,735 --> 00:45:39,255 Speaker 5: also have it'll have that certainly will have the name 816 00:45:39,295 --> 00:45:41,695 Speaker 5: of the LBP who was kind of in charge of 817 00:45:41,735 --> 00:45:45,175 Speaker 5: the project. You'd have to try and track down who 818 00:45:45,295 --> 00:45:49,455 Speaker 5: actually did the installation of the shower. So increasingly, particularly 819 00:45:49,455 --> 00:45:53,335 Speaker 5: with new builds, we often it's becoming more specialized, for example, 820 00:45:53,455 --> 00:45:55,935 Speaker 5: so there, I know there are crews around that just 821 00:45:56,015 --> 00:46:01,535 Speaker 5: specialize in installing showers, and possibly the main contractor would 822 00:46:01,535 --> 00:46:05,055 Speaker 5: have contracted that company to do the work, so they 823 00:46:05,135 --> 00:46:07,295 Speaker 5: have to they then become responsible for it. 824 00:46:07,895 --> 00:46:10,775 Speaker 16: Okay, all right, Well I had Plun've tracked down the plumber, 825 00:46:10,815 --> 00:46:15,055 Speaker 16: but he's not getting back to me after explaining what's happened. Right, Yeah, 826 00:46:15,095 --> 00:46:18,735 Speaker 16: I've got a bit of a problem there, So that's okay. 827 00:46:18,815 --> 00:46:21,695 Speaker 16: I just wanted to confirm because insurance just the house 828 00:46:21,735 --> 00:46:25,935 Speaker 16: insurance to slowly paid fifteen hundred plus the five hundred excess, 829 00:46:25,975 --> 00:46:30,095 Speaker 16: which is a bit of a shame. So yeah, all right, then. 830 00:46:31,455 --> 00:46:36,655 Speaker 5: Regarded as gradual damage, yes they had. Yeah, yeah, look, 831 00:46:37,095 --> 00:46:40,655 Speaker 5: you know it's not that long ago. People should be 832 00:46:40,735 --> 00:46:44,455 Speaker 5: able to stand by their work. But you know, I 833 00:46:44,775 --> 00:46:46,655 Speaker 5: would start to perhaps have a look at who the 834 00:46:46,695 --> 00:46:50,855 Speaker 5: main contractor was and the LBP associated with that, because 835 00:46:50,855 --> 00:46:53,415 Speaker 5: there will be one, and then put a little bit 836 00:46:53,415 --> 00:46:55,775 Speaker 5: of pressure on them to help you to find the 837 00:46:55,775 --> 00:46:56,815 Speaker 5: person responsible. 838 00:46:57,375 --> 00:46:58,175 Speaker 16: Okay, that's. 839 00:47:00,015 --> 00:47:02,815 Speaker 5: All the best, ye take care, Jennette and Robert A 840 00:47:02,975 --> 00:47:03,895 Speaker 5: very good morning to you. 841 00:47:05,015 --> 00:47:08,895 Speaker 8: Good morning to you into your session with some interest 842 00:47:08,935 --> 00:47:11,055 Speaker 8: over the years, and I think I run up about 843 00:47:11,095 --> 00:47:14,655 Speaker 8: it anything, But you mentioned a substance that you put 844 00:47:14,815 --> 00:47:18,495 Speaker 8: on a party rusted roof. This is a barn and 845 00:47:18,575 --> 00:47:22,095 Speaker 8: an office I have the Hawks Bay, and could you 846 00:47:22,095 --> 00:47:25,815 Speaker 8: give me the name of that discuss or this thick 847 00:47:25,935 --> 00:47:29,855 Speaker 8: substance that you put on first perhaps of protective measure, 848 00:47:30,015 --> 00:47:33,255 Speaker 8: and then you paint over the top and where you're finding. 849 00:47:33,495 --> 00:47:37,175 Speaker 5: I think maybe you've taken what I was doing thirty 850 00:47:37,175 --> 00:47:41,455 Speaker 5: odd years ago painting a roof, and felt that that's 851 00:47:41,455 --> 00:47:45,135 Speaker 5: some sort of approved methodology. Sorry, all I was doing 852 00:47:45,175 --> 00:47:47,215 Speaker 5: back then was actually taking little bits out of my 853 00:47:47,295 --> 00:47:49,775 Speaker 5: T shirt and soaking them and paint and putting them 854 00:47:49,775 --> 00:47:53,695 Speaker 5: on the roof. That's not a recommended methodology, right, But 855 00:47:53,935 --> 00:47:57,015 Speaker 5: there are today, what I've noticed just online, you know, 856 00:47:57,135 --> 00:48:01,055 Speaker 5: various ads that have popped up for essentially coatings over 857 00:48:01,135 --> 00:48:04,935 Speaker 5: the top of an existing roof, right, so you know, 858 00:48:05,255 --> 00:48:08,895 Speaker 5: like maybe maybe not even a millimeter thick, but a 859 00:48:09,095 --> 00:48:12,935 Speaker 5: sort of viscous flexible membrane that's supplied over the top 860 00:48:12,975 --> 00:48:15,775 Speaker 5: of a substrate. Perhaps that's getting to the end of 861 00:48:15,775 --> 00:48:20,335 Speaker 5: its life. If you search, actually, if you search for 862 00:48:20,455 --> 00:48:22,935 Speaker 5: roof buddy, this is an interesting thing that's popped up 863 00:48:22,975 --> 00:48:25,975 Speaker 5: over the last year or so, just roofbuddy, dot co, 864 00:48:26,095 --> 00:48:29,575 Speaker 5: dot z. It's a way of getting different roof buddy. Yeah, 865 00:48:29,575 --> 00:48:32,255 Speaker 5: it's a way of getting different roofing contractors to price 866 00:48:32,375 --> 00:48:34,855 Speaker 5: for work. And I think they're also involved with some 867 00:48:34,935 --> 00:48:37,575 Speaker 5: of these roofing products. I haven't had a chance to 868 00:48:37,655 --> 00:48:40,055 Speaker 5: use any of them. I've done like small lean to 869 00:48:40,255 --> 00:48:43,695 Speaker 5: roofs with things like during one nine to five or 870 00:48:44,655 --> 00:48:47,975 Speaker 5: a couple of EPM type products. But I think if 871 00:48:48,015 --> 00:48:50,415 Speaker 5: you wanted to do an entire coating, it'll be a 872 00:48:50,415 --> 00:48:54,175 Speaker 5: specialist applicator who'll come and ideally treat the rust and 873 00:48:54,175 --> 00:48:57,295 Speaker 5: then apply a coating over the top. And I think 874 00:48:57,335 --> 00:48:59,375 Speaker 5: I would you go ahead? 875 00:48:59,575 --> 00:49:04,335 Speaker 8: It's only partial, yeah, portions. It's been around. I don't 876 00:49:04,375 --> 00:49:07,495 Speaker 8: know how long it hairs. It's pretty old, but I 877 00:49:07,535 --> 00:49:10,935 Speaker 8: think it may have been reroofed at some stage yet, 878 00:49:12,255 --> 00:49:14,975 Speaker 8: and I want to preserve. I don't think a stage 879 00:49:14,975 --> 00:49:19,055 Speaker 8: where it's a renewal that I was quite Would Razine 880 00:49:19,215 --> 00:49:20,975 Speaker 8: have a product like that? 881 00:49:21,255 --> 00:49:23,575 Speaker 5: They'll have roof paint, certainly, and you can use like 882 00:49:23,855 --> 00:49:28,455 Speaker 5: a rust converter and then a rust kill primer or 883 00:49:29,095 --> 00:49:32,495 Speaker 5: like a general PA primer on it and then top. 884 00:49:32,495 --> 00:49:34,695 Speaker 5: But if you've if you've got a hole there, or 885 00:49:34,735 --> 00:49:38,415 Speaker 5: the beginning of a hole, then you know paint's not going. 886 00:49:38,255 --> 00:49:42,415 Speaker 8: To fix that, right, No, it'll reach a stage all 887 00:49:42,495 --> 00:49:43,415 Speaker 8: right then. 888 00:49:43,695 --> 00:49:48,015 Speaker 5: Yes, Typically with roofs like that, I do a wire brush, 889 00:49:48,135 --> 00:49:51,655 Speaker 5: I treat the area with a proper primer, a metal primer, 890 00:49:51,975 --> 00:49:53,895 Speaker 5: and then go over the top of the whole roof 891 00:49:53,975 --> 00:49:57,495 Speaker 5: with you know, a roofing paint and that will extend 892 00:49:57,535 --> 00:49:59,495 Speaker 5: the life of it. And I've done that well, you know, 893 00:49:59,855 --> 00:50:01,935 Speaker 5: recommended to clients over the years to do that and 894 00:50:01,975 --> 00:50:04,455 Speaker 5: it tends to extend the life of the roof, and 895 00:50:04,495 --> 00:50:07,495 Speaker 5: I think the focus is very much on extending the life. 896 00:50:07,535 --> 00:50:09,735 Speaker 5: It's not a permanent fix, but it will give you 897 00:50:09,775 --> 00:50:13,455 Speaker 5: some more time. Hey, thanks for much trouble it all 898 00:50:13,495 --> 00:50:16,775 Speaker 5: and nice too nice to chat with you. You take 899 00:50:16,815 --> 00:50:19,695 Speaker 5: care all the best by your news talk B I 900 00:50:19,775 --> 00:50:23,535 Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call now. 901 00:50:23,575 --> 00:50:28,615 Speaker 5: Someone has text through looking for independent drainage surveys. To 902 00:50:28,695 --> 00:50:33,055 Speaker 5: be fair, I've not really ever encountered one. If I 903 00:50:33,335 --> 00:50:37,695 Speaker 5: guess going to a geotech engineer who is experienced in 904 00:50:37,815 --> 00:50:41,095 Speaker 5: civil works and drainage might be your best bet. They 905 00:50:41,135 --> 00:50:45,215 Speaker 5: were looking for sort of independent advice about drainage, but 906 00:50:45,295 --> 00:50:47,655 Speaker 5: not from a drainage company, which is an interesting way. 907 00:50:48,575 --> 00:50:52,295 Speaker 5: So I wonder whether a local geotech firm might be 908 00:50:52,375 --> 00:50:54,855 Speaker 5: a good place to start for that sort of professional advice. 909 00:50:54,855 --> 00:50:57,295 Speaker 5: Good luck on that one. O eight hundred eighty ten 910 00:50:57,375 --> 00:51:01,615 Speaker 5: eighty back after the break, Oh text message I could 911 00:51:01,655 --> 00:51:05,095 Speaker 5: get I could, I could be waylaid, I could be 912 00:51:05,495 --> 00:51:08,455 Speaker 5: led down all sorts of delightful garden paths by this 913 00:51:08,815 --> 00:51:12,455 Speaker 5: next question? What ner peak? May I ask if you 914 00:51:12,495 --> 00:51:17,935 Speaker 5: have time for an update on your owl? House houses Lee, 915 00:51:18,655 --> 00:51:23,135 Speaker 5: thank you very much. I'll restrain right now, but if 916 00:51:23,135 --> 00:51:26,815 Speaker 5: you haven't seen it, I have done an update on 917 00:51:26,855 --> 00:51:31,455 Speaker 5: the al barn saga. If you go either to Instagram 918 00:51:31,535 --> 00:51:34,095 Speaker 5: search resident Builder or go to Facebook, there will be 919 00:51:34,175 --> 00:51:39,415 Speaker 5: videos there that explains something of my process. And undoubtedly 920 00:51:39,535 --> 00:51:43,895 Speaker 5: I will raise this particular vexatious issue with rud when 921 00:51:43,935 --> 00:51:46,575 Speaker 5: we talk with him in just over an hour's time. 922 00:51:46,615 --> 00:51:48,415 Speaker 5: So yes, I will talk about that, but I won't 923 00:51:48,415 --> 00:51:49,455 Speaker 5: get distracted right now. 924 00:51:49,935 --> 00:51:52,535 Speaker 17: Good morning, Hi morning, Peter. 925 00:51:52,775 --> 00:51:54,175 Speaker 5: You sir, I'm very well, thank you. 926 00:51:55,055 --> 00:51:59,055 Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, just got a question on the cost of 927 00:51:59,095 --> 00:52:03,935 Speaker 17: replacing on a brick sort of a unit. Yes, it's 928 00:52:05,135 --> 00:52:08,095 Speaker 17: by roughly forty five meters of one level in the 929 00:52:08,135 --> 00:52:12,415 Speaker 17: ground around the house is completely flat as well. Yep, 930 00:52:13,695 --> 00:52:15,535 Speaker 17: So what would be their rough costs be? 931 00:52:17,535 --> 00:52:20,575 Speaker 5: I think with these things, you know, they're often it 932 00:52:20,615 --> 00:52:22,615 Speaker 5: depends a little bit on the type of spouting do 933 00:52:22,655 --> 00:52:26,135 Speaker 5: you want to replace it with? For example, PVC spouting? 934 00:52:26,535 --> 00:52:29,255 Speaker 5: Do you want continuous spouting? Do you want metal spouting 935 00:52:29,295 --> 00:52:34,015 Speaker 5: but not necessarily continuous? Is someone taking off the old 936 00:52:34,055 --> 00:52:36,695 Speaker 5: spouting disposing of it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 937 00:52:36,775 --> 00:52:38,855 Speaker 5: So the best thing to do always, I think, is 938 00:52:38,895 --> 00:52:42,535 Speaker 5: to get a quote. But I know, you know, then 939 00:52:42,575 --> 00:52:46,175 Speaker 5: these ads running on the station continuous group are doing 940 00:52:46,335 --> 00:52:49,215 Speaker 5: replacement spouting. It's sort of twenty nine to thirty dollars 941 00:52:49,335 --> 00:52:52,135 Speaker 5: a lineal meter, so that gives you an idea. But 942 00:52:52,215 --> 00:52:54,855 Speaker 5: that might just be for supply and install. It might 943 00:52:54,895 --> 00:52:56,695 Speaker 5: not be for removal, and it might not be for 944 00:52:56,775 --> 00:53:00,095 Speaker 5: disposal and those sorts of things. So hunt around, get 945 00:53:00,135 --> 00:53:02,975 Speaker 5: some prices. And also it depends on whether it is 946 00:53:03,135 --> 00:53:07,015 Speaker 5: genuine spouting hung on a facierboard, or whether it's perhaps 947 00:53:07,015 --> 00:53:11,255 Speaker 5: spouting that's part of a concealed spouting and facial system, 948 00:53:11,735 --> 00:53:14,335 Speaker 5: which becomes much more complicated. 949 00:53:13,775 --> 00:53:17,095 Speaker 17: Again in the current when he's got the breckage, I 950 00:53:17,255 --> 00:53:23,495 Speaker 17: said in his okay, great, and joins onto the neighbors 951 00:53:23,575 --> 00:53:24,975 Speaker 17: unit on either sides. 952 00:53:25,095 --> 00:53:30,135 Speaker 5: He's basically right, yes, yeah, I'm with you. So typically 953 00:53:30,135 --> 00:53:33,815 Speaker 5: you're sort of replacing like for like, hopefully the falls 954 00:53:33,815 --> 00:53:37,655 Speaker 5: are all good. But look, you know, I really, seriously 955 00:53:37,655 --> 00:53:41,095 Speaker 5: I think you're better off getting someone getting two prices 956 00:53:41,135 --> 00:53:44,815 Speaker 5: and then deciding on which contractor you want to work with. Oh, 957 00:53:44,855 --> 00:53:46,975 Speaker 5: eight hundred, thank you for your question. Eight hundred eighty 958 00:53:46,975 --> 00:53:47,975 Speaker 5: teen eighty the number breck. 959 00:53:47,975 --> 00:53:52,615 Speaker 18: Good morning, Yeah, good morning paper. Just an article we've 960 00:53:52,655 --> 00:53:55,935 Speaker 18: got in the Star newspaper here in christ Church off 961 00:53:55,935 --> 00:54:00,775 Speaker 18: a gentleman who was a licensed building practitioner who's been 962 00:54:00,855 --> 00:54:02,895 Speaker 18: married to pay four hundred and seventies house and a 963 00:54:02,935 --> 00:54:05,135 Speaker 18: compensation because he missed up a job. 964 00:54:05,295 --> 00:54:05,855 Speaker 5: Saw that one. 965 00:54:06,975 --> 00:54:10,935 Speaker 18: Yeah, Well, nowhere in that article does it say anything 966 00:54:10,975 --> 00:54:16,575 Speaker 18: about having his license taken off. Nowhere doesn't say the 967 00:54:16,575 --> 00:54:22,775 Speaker 18: building inspectors, and didn't say anything about the linear weather 968 00:54:22,855 --> 00:54:28,335 Speaker 18: boards being installed. Wrong. What's the point in having all 969 00:54:28,375 --> 00:54:32,575 Speaker 18: of these flash titles when these things are completely Overlook? 970 00:54:32,735 --> 00:54:35,215 Speaker 18: You know to me that. 971 00:54:35,535 --> 00:54:41,535 Speaker 5: Although hold, we don't know whether he's a master builder, 972 00:54:42,095 --> 00:54:45,815 Speaker 5: and chances are it is not. Okay, So the other 973 00:54:45,855 --> 00:54:48,815 Speaker 5: thing is we're making the assumption that he and he 974 00:54:49,615 --> 00:54:53,495 Speaker 5: requested and had the inspections done. And I had to 975 00:54:53,535 --> 00:54:55,975 Speaker 5: read through the article, and I think it's possible that, 976 00:54:56,135 --> 00:54:58,855 Speaker 5: in fact, he didn't call for inspections despite the fact 977 00:54:58,895 --> 00:55:04,055 Speaker 5: that he knew that he had to have them done. Right. Yeah, 978 00:55:04,255 --> 00:55:07,455 Speaker 5: So I mean, and this happens, right, and particularly for 979 00:55:07,615 --> 00:55:11,215 Speaker 5: builders that are unscrupulous, they'll go, oh yeah, no inspector 980 00:55:11,255 --> 00:55:13,575 Speaker 5: passed it and that's fine, And this is where I 981 00:55:13,615 --> 00:55:15,855 Speaker 5: have to say, this is a sort of public service announcement. 982 00:55:16,095 --> 00:55:19,815 Speaker 5: One of the really good things with the some councils 983 00:55:19,815 --> 00:55:24,895 Speaker 5: now are increasingly doing electronic inspections right as in everything's 984 00:55:24,935 --> 00:55:28,415 Speaker 5: recorded electronically and at the end of the inspection, they 985 00:55:28,455 --> 00:55:31,135 Speaker 5: complete their report and they email a copy of the 986 00:55:31,215 --> 00:55:34,375 Speaker 5: report to the builder on site, but they can also 987 00:55:34,575 --> 00:55:37,135 Speaker 5: email it directly to the owner of the property, so 988 00:55:37,215 --> 00:55:39,935 Speaker 5: you've got insight into what's going on. I think that's 989 00:55:40,015 --> 00:55:46,255 Speaker 5: really really useful for owners to know that their inspections 990 00:55:46,295 --> 00:55:48,455 Speaker 5: are actually being undertaken as required. 991 00:55:49,815 --> 00:55:49,895 Speaker 11: Ye. 992 00:55:52,055 --> 00:55:55,015 Speaker 5: Well, I guess what would be really interesting is whether 993 00:55:55,135 --> 00:55:57,495 Speaker 5: or not the clients And you've got to feel really 994 00:55:57,815 --> 00:55:59,735 Speaker 5: sorry for them, you know. I mean, this is this 995 00:55:59,815 --> 00:56:02,295 Speaker 5: is this is a guy who's offered up a price 996 00:56:02,295 --> 00:56:04,455 Speaker 5: of one hundred and sixty six thousand dollars I think 997 00:56:04,495 --> 00:56:06,455 Speaker 5: off the top of the head to do two two 998 00:56:06,495 --> 00:56:10,055 Speaker 5: months work. Eighteen months later, and he's caused four hundred 999 00:56:10,055 --> 00:56:13,855 Speaker 5: thousand dollars worth of damage to the house. Yeah, I mean, 1000 00:56:13,895 --> 00:56:14,815 Speaker 5: what a shamozzle. 1001 00:56:15,135 --> 00:56:17,895 Speaker 18: So look, well, what a thing to have to live for. 1002 00:56:18,575 --> 00:56:21,575 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, really really frustrating. 1003 00:56:21,935 --> 00:56:25,375 Speaker 18: But it's just go ahead, sorry, go ahead, No, no, 1004 00:56:25,415 --> 00:56:30,015 Speaker 18: you It just makes it makes people very very weary 1005 00:56:30,655 --> 00:56:34,615 Speaker 18: of employing any trades people there. It sort of gives 1006 00:56:34,815 --> 00:56:36,175 Speaker 18: all of us a bad name. 1007 00:56:36,695 --> 00:56:39,615 Speaker 5: Yep, it does, it does. And you know, all we 1008 00:56:39,655 --> 00:56:43,015 Speaker 5: can all we can console ourselves with that is that 1009 00:56:43,415 --> 00:56:47,615 Speaker 5: these cases are while they're not completely uncommon, they are 1010 00:56:47,735 --> 00:56:50,975 Speaker 5: actually far and few between, right or few and far between. 1011 00:56:51,575 --> 00:56:54,175 Speaker 5: So in that sense, I think, you know, most people, 1012 00:56:54,375 --> 00:57:00,735 Speaker 5: most builders, most builders, most lbps behave hopefully responsibly and respectfully. 1013 00:57:00,855 --> 00:57:03,695 Speaker 5: They get the job done, it's done to a suitable standard, 1014 00:57:03,735 --> 00:57:05,895 Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera. So these are a bit of 1015 00:57:05,895 --> 00:57:08,895 Speaker 5: an out. But I have to say is it's an 1016 00:57:09,015 --> 00:57:11,975 Speaker 5: entertaining way to whittle away a couple of hours is 1017 00:57:12,015 --> 00:57:15,895 Speaker 5: to go to the LBP website and read through the 1018 00:57:15,935 --> 00:57:21,935 Speaker 5: recent determinations to see the what complaints have been laid 1019 00:57:21,935 --> 00:57:25,135 Speaker 5: against lbps and whether or not people have been found 1020 00:57:25,695 --> 00:57:28,815 Speaker 5: to have breached there either their responsibility as an LBP 1021 00:57:29,055 --> 00:57:31,375 Speaker 5: or Now of course we've got the code of ethics right, 1022 00:57:32,255 --> 00:57:33,935 Speaker 5: and I think what we're going to see is we 1023 00:57:34,015 --> 00:57:39,415 Speaker 5: going to see a lot more cases where lbps are 1024 00:57:39,415 --> 00:57:43,135 Speaker 5: bought in front of the disciplinary board for their behavior, 1025 00:57:43,375 --> 00:57:46,495 Speaker 5: their ethics rather than the actual building. So that's going 1026 00:57:46,575 --> 00:57:47,095 Speaker 5: to be interesting. 1027 00:57:48,215 --> 00:57:49,615 Speaker 7: Okay, it was a good article. 1028 00:57:50,015 --> 00:57:51,415 Speaker 18: Thanks for enjoy your show. 1029 00:57:51,575 --> 00:57:53,495 Speaker 5: My pleasure. It's a pleasure. All the best to you. 1030 00:57:54,015 --> 00:57:57,655 Speaker 5: Take care there. I think we might take a quick break. 1031 00:57:57,655 --> 00:57:59,855 Speaker 5: I think it feels like that sort of time. We'll 1032 00:57:59,855 --> 00:58:01,655 Speaker 5: come back and talk to Alan in just a moment. 1033 00:58:02,575 --> 00:58:05,215 Speaker 5: There's a lot more detail to that story that Brett 1034 00:58:05,255 --> 00:58:07,455 Speaker 5: was talking about just before, So I've gone back to 1035 00:58:07,535 --> 00:58:11,895 Speaker 5: the article that I saw Star News. It's still up 1036 00:58:11,935 --> 00:58:15,175 Speaker 5: online obviously, and it relates to a story about a 1037 00:58:15,175 --> 00:58:17,975 Speaker 5: builder who took sixteen months to complete what should have 1038 00:58:17,975 --> 00:58:21,975 Speaker 5: been a two month job, caused several hundred thousand dollars 1039 00:58:22,015 --> 00:58:24,695 Speaker 5: worth of errors in the process, and has been found 1040 00:58:24,735 --> 00:58:27,655 Speaker 5: personally liable to pick up the tab So builded by 1041 00:58:27,655 --> 00:58:31,255 Speaker 5: the name of Simon Washburne, was hired by a christ 1042 00:58:31,295 --> 00:58:34,095 Speaker 5: Church couple to replace parts of their roof as well 1043 00:58:34,135 --> 00:58:37,015 Speaker 5: as to replace windows in cladding on their suburban home. 1044 00:58:37,175 --> 00:58:39,335 Speaker 5: Quoted them a fixed price of one hundred and sixty 1045 00:58:39,335 --> 00:58:42,375 Speaker 5: six thousand dollars and I'm quoting from the article. However, 1046 00:58:42,455 --> 00:58:45,455 Speaker 5: a catalog of errors, as the clients described it, ensured 1047 00:58:45,495 --> 00:58:52,055 Speaker 5: that over nearly eighteen months this the work blew out 1048 00:58:52,095 --> 00:58:56,415 Speaker 5: to Washburn fixing all of the weatherboards incorrectly and installing 1049 00:58:56,415 --> 00:58:59,015 Speaker 5: the windows in such way that they leaked. So the 1050 00:58:59,215 --> 00:59:01,655 Speaker 5: couple have won a court order from the High Court 1051 00:59:01,695 --> 00:59:04,935 Speaker 5: in christ Church that Washburn in this company will pay 1052 00:59:04,975 --> 00:59:07,615 Speaker 5: them four hundred thousand dollars to fix the errors that 1053 00:59:07,655 --> 00:59:11,015 Speaker 5: he made, as well as thirty thousand dollars in compensation. 1054 00:59:14,735 --> 00:59:19,015 Speaker 5: So the person in question Washborn, he worked on it 1055 00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:24,015 Speaker 5: as well as having several employees. Errors however, quickly began 1056 00:59:24,095 --> 00:59:27,255 Speaker 5: to pile up, including windows installed out of square that 1057 00:59:27,335 --> 00:59:32,175 Speaker 5: wouldn't open and leaks developing around other installed windows. There's 1058 00:59:32,215 --> 00:59:33,935 Speaker 5: quite a lot more to the article. The other thing 1059 00:59:34,055 --> 00:59:39,335 Speaker 5: that I noticed jumps out is that they went on 1060 00:59:39,415 --> 00:59:43,015 Speaker 5: to replace a whole lot of the exterior cladding. The 1061 00:59:43,055 --> 00:59:46,535 Speaker 5: building surveyor that was called in as an expert witness, 1062 00:59:47,255 --> 00:59:50,175 Speaker 5: Rory Crosby as the building survey gave evidence to the 1063 00:59:50,215 --> 00:59:52,575 Speaker 5: court that because of the way the weather boards were affixed, 1064 00:59:52,575 --> 00:59:55,775 Speaker 5: they were highly unlikely to comply with the building code. 1065 00:59:56,855 --> 00:59:59,815 Speaker 5: Because so much of the cladding was removed, consent would 1066 00:59:59,855 --> 01:00:02,055 Speaker 5: have been needed rather than it being a like for 1067 01:00:02,375 --> 01:00:07,015 Speaker 5: like replacement. As Washburne had claimed, and that is well known, 1068 01:00:07,055 --> 01:00:10,135 Speaker 5: well accepted across the industry. So he's given sort of 1069 01:00:10,255 --> 01:00:14,255 Speaker 5: poor advice to the owners saying, oh no, we don't 1070 01:00:14,255 --> 01:00:16,815 Speaker 5: need a consent for that. That would explain why there 1071 01:00:16,855 --> 01:00:23,295 Speaker 5: was no inspection process. And you know, the manufacturer's specification 1072 01:00:23,455 --> 01:00:26,175 Speaker 5: is clearly to have this installed on a cavity. He 1073 01:00:26,215 --> 01:00:29,135 Speaker 5: made the claim as reported in the Herald or reported 1074 01:00:29,175 --> 01:00:33,375 Speaker 5: in the online article, saying that don't worry. You don't 1075 01:00:33,415 --> 01:00:35,535 Speaker 5: have to worry about that. I've got complete confidence in 1076 01:00:35,575 --> 01:00:41,935 Speaker 5: the product. You just do direct fix. So look, it's 1077 01:00:41,975 --> 01:00:46,655 Speaker 5: a pity that the clients themselves didn't seek some advice 1078 01:00:46,735 --> 01:00:49,535 Speaker 5: early on when they could see the project blowing out. 1079 01:00:49,655 --> 01:00:52,575 Speaker 5: It may not have changed anything. But and the other 1080 01:00:52,615 --> 01:00:55,575 Speaker 5: curious thing will be will they see a cent of 1081 01:00:55,615 --> 01:00:59,055 Speaker 5: the around four hundred and thirty thousand dollars that this 1082 01:00:59,575 --> 01:01:05,015 Speaker 5: person has been ordered to pay? That would be another 1083 01:01:05,055 --> 01:01:07,215 Speaker 5: interesting question, right, Ella, good. 1084 01:01:07,135 --> 01:01:10,935 Speaker 11: Morning, Oh, good morning. Then I love the show, Thank 1085 01:01:10,975 --> 01:01:14,575 Speaker 11: you very r And of course our little garden man 1086 01:01:14,615 --> 01:01:15,815 Speaker 11: as well. It was just amazing. 1087 01:01:16,895 --> 01:01:22,535 Speaker 5: He's taller than Amaza. Anyway, how can I help my sonny? Mind? Ella? 1088 01:01:23,135 --> 01:01:25,895 Speaker 11: Well, I'm ringing it's about what I saw a neighbor 1089 01:01:25,935 --> 01:01:28,095 Speaker 11: did in the past. I think in the past fortnight, 1090 01:01:28,575 --> 01:01:33,295 Speaker 11: he's got a concret talking roofing. He's got those concrete tiles. Yes, 1091 01:01:34,255 --> 01:01:37,215 Speaker 11: he got up and pressure washed it within an inch 1092 01:01:37,375 --> 01:01:41,335 Speaker 11: of its legh. I thought I heard you say in 1093 01:01:41,615 --> 01:01:44,295 Speaker 11: the last couple of weeks you were talking about similar 1094 01:01:44,335 --> 01:01:48,455 Speaker 11: type things and that you need that they could create leaks, 1095 01:01:48,575 --> 01:01:50,975 Speaker 11: et cetera, and you'd need to put a coating on top. 1096 01:01:51,095 --> 01:01:52,455 Speaker 11: Did I hear that bright or more? 1097 01:01:52,655 --> 01:01:55,895 Speaker 5: I'm just yeah, in case so I hear what you're saying. No, 1098 01:01:56,015 --> 01:01:59,175 Speaker 5: I think so. What I was talking about in that 1099 01:01:59,215 --> 01:02:02,895 Speaker 5: particular instance was some concrete roof tiles that were installed 1100 01:02:03,175 --> 01:02:06,935 Speaker 5: I think around nineteen seventy, nineteen sixty seven, right, so 1101 01:02:07,375 --> 01:02:09,375 Speaker 5: you know, almost sixty years. 1102 01:02:09,215 --> 01:02:11,695 Speaker 11: Ago these would have been put in because I know 1103 01:02:11,855 --> 01:02:14,655 Speaker 11: my house, Yes, if we took possession of it in 1104 01:02:14,735 --> 01:02:17,695 Speaker 11: eighty two, that they're not that kind of tile that 1105 01:02:17,935 --> 01:02:22,015 Speaker 11: might but the concreting one that the guy's got, yeah, 1106 01:02:22,855 --> 01:02:26,935 Speaker 11: they would have been. That house was built about a 1107 01:02:26,975 --> 01:02:30,895 Speaker 11: year after we took a possession of hours. Yes, we've 1108 01:02:30,975 --> 01:02:32,255 Speaker 11: built eighty two. 1109 01:02:32,535 --> 01:02:35,455 Speaker 5: Okay, so you know what the comment that I was making, 1110 01:02:35,575 --> 01:02:37,975 Speaker 5: is that an older roof like the one that I 1111 01:02:38,015 --> 01:02:40,935 Speaker 5: was describing, Chances are the coating that's on the top 1112 01:02:40,975 --> 01:02:43,775 Speaker 5: of it would have degraded, would have worn away over time, 1113 01:02:44,215 --> 01:02:46,295 Speaker 5: in which case what you left with is a concrete 1114 01:02:46,335 --> 01:02:49,935 Speaker 5: tile roof that's exposed, has no coating, and inevitably, if 1115 01:02:49,975 --> 01:02:52,495 Speaker 5: you've got a dry piece of concrete and it rains, 1116 01:02:52,895 --> 01:02:55,975 Speaker 5: moisture is going to be absorbed into that, right, and 1117 01:02:56,015 --> 01:02:58,575 Speaker 5: that would be happening on an old roof. Now, your 1118 01:02:58,615 --> 01:03:01,215 Speaker 5: neighbour who's got a concrete tile roof, but it might 1119 01:03:01,215 --> 01:03:04,455 Speaker 5: have been installed in the nineteen eighties, it probably still 1120 01:03:04,455 --> 01:03:07,735 Speaker 5: has reasonable coating on it, in which case cleaning it 1121 01:03:07,895 --> 01:03:10,095 Speaker 5: in the way that you've described is not going to 1122 01:03:10,895 --> 01:03:14,655 Speaker 5: shouldn't degrade the coating, shouldn't also get too much moisture 1123 01:03:14,735 --> 01:03:18,495 Speaker 5: inside there. However, like I would say, in those instances, 1124 01:03:18,535 --> 01:03:21,495 Speaker 5: the best way to clean roofs in that circumstance is 1125 01:03:21,535 --> 01:03:25,735 Speaker 5: to use a pre treatment, right, So to use a 1126 01:03:25,735 --> 01:03:29,895 Speaker 5: an anti mold or an antibacterial cleaning solution that you 1127 01:03:29,975 --> 01:03:34,415 Speaker 5: apply onto the roof, let it activate and start working 1128 01:03:34,415 --> 01:03:36,695 Speaker 5: on all of that organic material it's on there, and 1129 01:03:36,735 --> 01:03:41,615 Speaker 5: then wash that off. So you know, possibly he could 1130 01:03:41,615 --> 01:03:44,015 Speaker 5: have done something better. But what he's doing and what 1131 01:03:44,055 --> 01:03:46,335 Speaker 5: I was describing are actually two different things. 1132 01:03:47,055 --> 01:03:51,335 Speaker 11: Okay, but he certainly didn't put on something like something 1133 01:03:51,415 --> 01:03:53,975 Speaker 11: that you need to get tibet and. 1134 01:03:54,055 --> 01:03:55,975 Speaker 5: Yeah, like a pre washed solution. 1135 01:03:56,175 --> 01:03:59,735 Speaker 11: I think through that, yeah, and then the other. But 1136 01:03:59,895 --> 01:04:04,055 Speaker 11: he did and honestly he sprayed and sprayed and sprayed. 1137 01:04:04,895 --> 01:04:08,335 Speaker 11: They but they have been Wait. 1138 01:04:08,895 --> 01:04:12,855 Speaker 5: Yeah, look, cleaning the roof is a good idea, but 1139 01:04:12,935 --> 01:04:14,775 Speaker 5: you've got to know what you're doing, and you've got 1140 01:04:14,775 --> 01:04:16,055 Speaker 5: to do it in such a way that you're not 1141 01:04:16,215 --> 01:04:19,735 Speaker 5: going to, you know, either cause damage to the roof 1142 01:04:19,975 --> 01:04:23,895 Speaker 5: or use so much water that you're it's going to 1143 01:04:23,935 --> 01:04:26,215 Speaker 5: absorb moisture. It will still dry out and chances are 1144 01:04:26,295 --> 01:04:28,095 Speaker 5: there will be no ill effect from it. But he's 1145 01:04:28,135 --> 01:04:29,935 Speaker 5: probably done a lot of work that he didn't need. 1146 01:04:29,815 --> 01:04:35,175 Speaker 11: To do, right, But is there a product if he 1147 01:04:35,295 --> 01:04:38,055 Speaker 11: decided he did want to put something on it that. 1148 01:04:38,455 --> 01:04:41,495 Speaker 5: Look, there's a whole lot of sort of chemical treatments 1149 01:04:41,575 --> 01:04:44,615 Speaker 5: for exterior clean right, and most of them would involve 1150 01:04:44,615 --> 01:04:48,455 Speaker 5: an agent that will attack all of that natural growth, 1151 01:04:48,455 --> 01:04:51,175 Speaker 5: all that mold and mildew that might grow. So I 1152 01:04:51,215 --> 01:04:55,575 Speaker 5: think that that's right, yeah, I would do that. 1153 01:04:56,455 --> 01:04:58,295 Speaker 11: It's not the fact that it may have dried out 1154 01:04:58,375 --> 01:05:00,575 Speaker 11: to such a state that it is going to become 1155 01:05:01,815 --> 01:05:02,375 Speaker 11: I don't think. 1156 01:05:02,415 --> 01:05:02,495 Speaker 2: So. 1157 01:05:03,455 --> 01:05:08,015 Speaker 5: Okay, all right, nice view to call all you take 1158 01:05:08,055 --> 01:05:12,775 Speaker 5: care and quick one from you, Jan Hello, Hi. 1159 01:05:12,775 --> 01:05:13,735 Speaker 8: Oh, Hello, Pete. 1160 01:05:13,935 --> 01:05:15,535 Speaker 19: Hi. I sent the picture and. 1161 01:05:17,295 --> 01:05:21,455 Speaker 5: I have to say, and I say that with the 1162 01:05:21,455 --> 01:05:24,495 Speaker 5: greatest respects. I don't think I've ever seen a spreader 1163 01:05:25,335 --> 01:05:27,815 Speaker 5: of such an enormous length in my life. 1164 01:05:28,015 --> 01:05:28,215 Speaker 11: No. 1165 01:05:28,855 --> 01:05:31,935 Speaker 19: Well, I've never seen anything like it either. That's why 1166 01:05:31,935 --> 01:05:34,815 Speaker 19: I contacted you. But the thing you said, the gutthering 1167 01:05:34,895 --> 01:05:37,175 Speaker 19: is probably set too low. So what do I ask 1168 01:05:37,255 --> 01:05:38,735 Speaker 19: the roofer to do about this? 1169 01:05:39,095 --> 01:05:42,095 Speaker 5: Yeah? Look, that was my and the photograph that you 1170 01:05:42,575 --> 01:05:45,295 Speaker 5: sent me is basically heavy rain and the water just 1171 01:05:45,335 --> 01:05:47,575 Speaker 5: pouring straight over the top of the spouting and coming 1172 01:05:47,575 --> 01:05:50,375 Speaker 5: down in front of the door, right and yep, okay, 1173 01:05:50,455 --> 01:05:53,095 Speaker 5: So in that sense, what's happening is the water is 1174 01:05:53,215 --> 01:05:56,015 Speaker 5: jumping that front lip of the spouting. And what I 1175 01:05:56,095 --> 01:05:58,655 Speaker 5: noticed from the photograph is that from the angle that 1176 01:05:58,695 --> 01:06:02,095 Speaker 5: the photograph's taken, you can see the profile at the 1177 01:06:02,295 --> 01:06:05,295 Speaker 5: end of all of the roofing sheets. It's not concealed 1178 01:06:05,375 --> 01:06:09,575 Speaker 5: by the spouting and typically that's what we would expect 1179 01:06:09,695 --> 01:06:14,935 Speaker 5: that you shouldn't really see the end of the roofing sheets. 1180 01:06:13,695 --> 01:06:18,135 Speaker 5: That's what the position of the spouting traps. That water 1181 01:06:18,295 --> 01:06:21,535 Speaker 5: stops it jumping that front lip of the spouting. 1182 01:06:22,375 --> 01:06:24,735 Speaker 20: Oh, I see, yeah, but. 1183 01:06:27,455 --> 01:06:29,575 Speaker 5: The challenge. The challenge is, as I can see on 1184 01:06:29,615 --> 01:06:32,175 Speaker 5: the photograph as well, that's where the downpipe is, right. 1185 01:06:32,575 --> 01:06:35,575 Speaker 5: So if you lift the spouting in that area, you're 1186 01:06:35,575 --> 01:06:38,815 Speaker 5: going to end up creating fall that runs away from 1187 01:06:38,855 --> 01:06:41,135 Speaker 5: the outlet, in which case you're going to have ponding 1188 01:06:41,215 --> 01:06:45,575 Speaker 5: somewhere else. So it becomes an issue where it's almost 1189 01:06:45,695 --> 01:06:48,295 Speaker 5: like all of the spouting needs to come off and 1190 01:06:48,415 --> 01:06:52,535 Speaker 5: all of it needs to be relaid with the correct fall. 1191 01:06:53,815 --> 01:06:55,895 Speaker 5: But you can't do that just by starting at one 1192 01:06:56,015 --> 01:06:59,015 Speaker 5: end sometimes, right, So. 1193 01:06:58,975 --> 01:07:01,495 Speaker 19: It's not the roofing that's the problem, that's the spouting 1194 01:07:01,535 --> 01:07:01,855 Speaker 19: of it. 1195 01:07:02,375 --> 01:07:06,535 Speaker 5: I think. So, I mean it might be that it 1196 01:07:06,575 --> 01:07:07,295 Speaker 5: wasn't replaced. 1197 01:07:07,295 --> 01:07:10,495 Speaker 19: It was just the roofing is all new. And please, 1198 01:07:11,815 --> 01:07:14,255 Speaker 19: I can see the profile as you call it, like 1199 01:07:14,335 --> 01:07:15,775 Speaker 19: the little scarlets. 1200 01:07:15,255 --> 01:07:16,815 Speaker 8: At the end of the roofing. 1201 01:07:17,135 --> 01:07:20,175 Speaker 19: Yeah, I can see that everywhere. Actually, I'm pretty sure. 1202 01:07:20,615 --> 01:07:23,615 Speaker 5: Yeah, when you say the roof was replaced. Is it 1203 01:07:23,935 --> 01:07:27,975 Speaker 5: replacing light for like, did you always have corrugated on Okay? 1204 01:07:27,935 --> 01:07:30,575 Speaker 19: Yes, and I've never had never had a problem with 1205 01:07:30,735 --> 01:07:33,055 Speaker 19: leaking of the spouting above the front door, so it's 1206 01:07:33,135 --> 01:07:34,015 Speaker 19: really surprised. 1207 01:07:34,095 --> 01:07:37,655 Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder whether something's changed with the height of 1208 01:07:37,695 --> 01:07:44,295 Speaker 5: the Yeah, the issue is the height of the Yeah, 1209 01:07:44,535 --> 01:07:48,775 Speaker 5: I think that the issue is with the spouting. So 1210 01:07:49,815 --> 01:07:52,615 Speaker 5: and that particular type of spouting. You might be able 1211 01:07:52,655 --> 01:07:56,295 Speaker 5: to disconnect it and reuse most of it. You might 1212 01:07:56,335 --> 01:07:59,815 Speaker 5: have to replaces here and there. So it's I think 1213 01:07:59,815 --> 01:08:01,735 Speaker 5: the only answer is redo the spouting. 1214 01:08:02,975 --> 01:08:07,695 Speaker 19: Okay, So that's not a disaster. I need that it 1215 01:08:07,815 --> 01:08:13,855 Speaker 19: always been all right before. Yeah, spouting, the routine has 1216 01:08:13,895 --> 01:08:16,535 Speaker 19: been replaced, but not the spouting. That's trying to say. 1217 01:08:16,615 --> 01:08:20,735 Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a bit unusual, but that'll be the solution. 1218 01:08:21,335 --> 01:08:23,775 Speaker 19: They should be able to fix it without too much 1219 01:08:23,975 --> 01:08:24,735 Speaker 19: drama then. 1220 01:08:24,655 --> 01:08:30,055 Speaker 5: Hopefully hopefully lovely. All right, thanks, Okay, you take care 1221 01:08:30,855 --> 01:08:32,895 Speaker 5: right over, We're going to take short break and we're 1222 01:08:32,935 --> 01:08:35,455 Speaker 5: going to talk to Tim Pearson straight after the break. 1223 01:08:36,535 --> 01:08:38,095 Speaker 5: Today we're going to take a bit of a deep 1224 01:08:38,135 --> 01:08:41,895 Speaker 5: dive into tribal TGV. Now I've used it the one 1225 01:08:41,895 --> 01:08:44,335 Speaker 5: that I used. Four hundred wide panel comes in two 1226 01:08:44,415 --> 01:08:47,055 Speaker 5: lengths two point four or three point seven to four 1227 01:08:47,095 --> 01:08:50,575 Speaker 5: to oh long and it boasts a fifteen millimeter thickness. 1228 01:08:50,575 --> 01:08:53,775 Speaker 5: It's got MDF on both outer layers and it's got 1229 01:08:53,815 --> 01:08:57,175 Speaker 5: a strand care in a layer. Another person who's used 1230 01:08:57,175 --> 01:09:00,495 Speaker 5: it as Tim Pearson, a builder from Lowburn in North 1231 01:09:00,535 --> 01:09:05,895 Speaker 5: Canterbury who's been incorporating Tribal TGV into several of his projects. 1232 01:09:06,535 --> 01:09:08,695 Speaker 5: I understand that you designed and built your own home 1233 01:09:08,855 --> 01:09:13,255 Speaker 5: got creative using tribald TGV. And then Lance fitz Morris, 1234 01:09:13,255 --> 01:09:15,735 Speaker 5: who's Duke in South Island sales rep said that you 1235 01:09:15,775 --> 01:09:19,455 Speaker 5: were on the hunt for a durable lining solution discovered 1236 01:09:19,655 --> 01:09:23,535 Speaker 5: tribal TGV on a Lake Ohause story from Archie Pro. 1237 01:09:24,015 --> 01:09:28,055 Speaker 5: So the key advantage is for you for TGV from triboard. 1238 01:09:29,055 --> 01:09:29,255 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1239 01:09:29,255 --> 01:09:32,175 Speaker 20: After seeing that icle on the triboard, I talked to 1240 01:09:32,215 --> 01:09:35,375 Speaker 20: crime into using it on a large rating ceiling and 1241 01:09:36,095 --> 01:09:38,815 Speaker 20: I've gotten impressed how it went together and its durability 1242 01:09:39,055 --> 01:09:43,095 Speaker 20: and there's no need for any subtraits, so like a 1243 01:09:43,175 --> 01:09:45,575 Speaker 20: jib supper and it looks really good. So we ended 1244 01:09:45,655 --> 01:09:46,735 Speaker 20: up using it on our. 1245 01:09:46,655 --> 01:09:50,775 Speaker 5: Own home in terms of the installation process for triboard 1246 01:09:50,815 --> 01:09:54,215 Speaker 5: TGV compared to other materials, what's it like in terms 1247 01:09:54,255 --> 01:09:57,615 Speaker 5: of time complexity? And also tell me about the fixing process. 1248 01:09:58,695 --> 01:10:01,175 Speaker 20: Yeah, I found it pretty quick and easy to install. 1249 01:10:01,415 --> 01:10:05,215 Speaker 20: So I cuddle the boards using a plunge saw because 1250 01:10:05,295 --> 01:10:08,935 Speaker 20: the triboard t you see, it's four hinted white and 1251 01:10:09,215 --> 01:10:12,135 Speaker 20: you can't really use a drop saw because it's didn't 1252 01:10:12,135 --> 01:10:14,215 Speaker 20: cut that wide. So I made a square of an 1253 01:10:14,255 --> 01:10:16,615 Speaker 20: old track for the plunge saw, and I found that 1254 01:10:16,695 --> 01:10:19,095 Speaker 20: quick and efficient way to cut it. And I could 1255 01:10:19,135 --> 01:10:22,175 Speaker 20: also do miters on the external corners of that plunge saw, 1256 01:10:23,335 --> 01:10:25,975 Speaker 20: so I ended up gluing and secret nailing it through 1257 01:10:26,015 --> 01:10:28,255 Speaker 20: the tongue, so that cuts out lots of filling and 1258 01:10:28,335 --> 01:10:31,855 Speaker 20: sanding of holes. And because the boards are only faunt 1259 01:10:31,855 --> 01:10:34,095 Speaker 20: and wide, they're quite easy for one person to do 1260 01:10:34,175 --> 01:10:38,335 Speaker 20: the installation. And there was very little waste compared to 1261 01:10:38,375 --> 01:10:41,175 Speaker 20: plus board, and all the off cuts were used in 1262 01:10:41,215 --> 01:10:41,855 Speaker 20: a log burner. 1263 01:10:43,775 --> 01:10:47,495 Speaker 5: That's fantastic. Now, which lengths of triboard TGV did you 1264 01:10:47,575 --> 01:10:50,455 Speaker 5: choose for your projects and what was the thinking behind that. 1265 01:10:51,695 --> 01:10:53,855 Speaker 20: Well, in a skillion roof in our place, and we 1266 01:10:53,935 --> 01:10:57,175 Speaker 20: ran the boards vertically, so I designed the house for 1267 01:10:57,255 --> 01:11:00,495 Speaker 20: it with that board length and mind, so the internal 1268 01:11:00,535 --> 01:11:04,535 Speaker 20: walls were now higher than three seven forty and it 1269 01:11:04,615 --> 01:11:06,975 Speaker 20: worked out really all the off cuts use under the 1270 01:11:07,015 --> 01:11:11,375 Speaker 20: windows or above doors or boltcats, so it's very little wasist. 1271 01:11:11,815 --> 01:11:13,655 Speaker 5: And what did you do in terms of treating the 1272 01:11:13,695 --> 01:11:16,455 Speaker 5: tryboard TGV? Any tips for people considering? 1273 01:11:17,775 --> 01:11:20,655 Speaker 20: So we primed the boards both sides for installation and 1274 01:11:21,735 --> 01:11:23,975 Speaker 20: been careful not to put too much paint in the 1275 01:11:23,975 --> 01:11:27,335 Speaker 20: groove of the tone. And before we fitted our ceiling plow, 1276 01:11:27,415 --> 01:11:31,255 Speaker 20: we sprayed the tryboard. Once it was fitted, and we've 1277 01:11:31,295 --> 01:11:34,615 Speaker 20: done three coats and we sanded between the coats. But 1278 01:11:34,855 --> 01:11:37,335 Speaker 20: you can use a roller and a brushed it into 1279 01:11:37,375 --> 01:11:38,295 Speaker 20: the grooves as well. 1280 01:11:38,975 --> 01:11:40,575 Speaker 5: So it sounds like you didn't just use it in 1281 01:11:40,615 --> 01:11:43,175 Speaker 5: the house. But you've also got the classic man Cave 1282 01:11:43,295 --> 01:11:46,575 Speaker 5: project going on and a client opted for a natural 1283 01:11:46,695 --> 01:11:50,015 Speaker 5: try board. Look, what were the key takeaways from that project? 1284 01:11:51,015 --> 01:11:51,935 Speaker 8: Yeah, the pride. 1285 01:11:51,615 --> 01:11:54,935 Speaker 20: Board there was a perfect product for the man cave 1286 01:11:55,455 --> 01:11:58,175 Speaker 20: is still flaming, so if you use plywood, we would 1287 01:11:58,215 --> 01:11:59,775 Speaker 20: have had to wing out all the edges for the 1288 01:11:59,775 --> 01:12:03,775 Speaker 20: play so that the TGV being long, we need a 1289 01:12:03,895 --> 01:12:07,055 Speaker 20: very little blocking, and I use hard and steel breads 1290 01:12:07,215 --> 01:12:10,175 Speaker 20: and glue. The direct fix it to steel framing so 1291 01:12:10,375 --> 01:12:12,975 Speaker 20: it saved a lot of time. And the tring it 1292 01:12:13,095 --> 01:12:15,495 Speaker 20: for durable surface. And his man cave so you can 1293 01:12:16,335 --> 01:12:18,935 Speaker 20: fix his rugby jersey's up and dark board in that 1294 01:12:19,935 --> 01:12:21,935 Speaker 20: and screw anything to the walls anywhere you want it. 1295 01:12:21,935 --> 01:12:22,775 Speaker 20: It's really tough. 1296 01:12:22,975 --> 01:12:25,375 Speaker 5: Hey, so you're obviously a fan. Have you got any 1297 01:12:25,415 --> 01:12:29,175 Speaker 5: other upcoming projects? Will you'll be using triboard TGV again. 1298 01:12:30,375 --> 01:12:30,575 Speaker 10: Yeah. 1299 01:12:30,775 --> 01:12:34,015 Speaker 20: I'm building a client's batch over at Lake Brunner and 1300 01:12:35,095 --> 01:12:36,695 Speaker 20: we're not going to use any class sport on the 1301 01:12:36,735 --> 01:12:38,575 Speaker 20: house at all. It's all going to be a TGZ 1302 01:12:38,695 --> 01:12:41,015 Speaker 20: and the walls and the garage and it's got a 1303 01:12:41,575 --> 01:12:44,095 Speaker 20: loft above the garage and it's got really tight access 1304 01:12:44,375 --> 01:12:47,215 Speaker 20: so the triboard only being forward of mill is wide, 1305 01:12:47,375 --> 01:12:49,535 Speaker 20: it's really easy to get up into that tight space. 1306 01:12:50,295 --> 01:12:53,455 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's brilliant. I've used it on a small cabin 1307 01:12:53,455 --> 01:12:55,215 Speaker 5: that I built as well and did a similar thing 1308 01:12:55,415 --> 01:13:00,055 Speaker 5: walls and ceiling like you pre primed it, gave it 1309 01:13:00,095 --> 01:13:03,335 Speaker 5: a sand, put it up too, top coats and it does. 1310 01:13:03,375 --> 01:13:06,015 Speaker 5: It looks fantastic and it's got that durability, I think, 1311 01:13:06,055 --> 01:13:08,975 Speaker 5: which is what we've all come to appreciate from Triyboard. 1312 01:13:09,295 --> 01:13:11,575 Speaker 5: Tim all the very best with that upcoming project and 1313 01:13:11,615 --> 01:13:14,935 Speaker 5: thanks for your time this morning. Than thanks, Peter, pleasure, 1314 01:13:16,055 --> 01:13:19,215 Speaker 5: delightful guy. Tim. And just outside of christ Jets there 1315 01:13:19,215 --> 01:13:21,935 Speaker 5: and the j and our product that we're talking about 1316 01:13:21,935 --> 01:13:25,695 Speaker 5: there is Triyboard, which is Triboard TGV. So there are 1317 01:13:25,695 --> 01:13:27,935 Speaker 5: four hundred wide panels and I did. I put it 1318 01:13:28,015 --> 01:13:29,855 Speaker 5: up in a little cabin that we built a couple 1319 01:13:29,895 --> 01:13:34,855 Speaker 5: of years ago. And yeah, it's a very useful product. 1320 01:13:34,895 --> 01:13:36,455 Speaker 5: I can tell you that, oh eight one hundred and 1321 01:13:36,495 --> 01:13:38,495 Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty the number to call Craig talk to 1322 01:13:38,495 --> 01:13:39,735 Speaker 5: me about showers. 1323 01:13:40,495 --> 01:13:43,175 Speaker 13: Yeah, also a quickly a friend mine is a border 1324 01:13:43,175 --> 01:13:45,175 Speaker 13: and in some of that triboard left over actually now 1325 01:13:45,255 --> 01:13:46,495 Speaker 13: turned it into bookshelves. 1326 01:13:46,655 --> 01:13:51,175 Speaker 5: A brilliant actually, I've made bookshelves out of it as well. 1327 01:13:51,295 --> 01:13:55,735 Speaker 5: In fact, my work bench, I've got my old workshop right. 1328 01:13:56,135 --> 01:13:58,775 Speaker 5: I had the traditional sort of carpenter's bench, you know, 1329 01:13:58,935 --> 01:14:00,655 Speaker 5: two bits of timber and then a lower piece in 1330 01:14:00,695 --> 01:14:02,775 Speaker 5: the middle, you know, like you had it would work school. 1331 01:14:03,255 --> 01:14:06,655 Speaker 5: And then about it was twenty odd years ago I 1332 01:14:06,695 --> 01:14:09,335 Speaker 5: put a bit of twenty one mile triboard on the 1333 01:14:09,375 --> 01:14:11,495 Speaker 5: top of it, right, because I wanted a flat surface, 1334 01:14:11,855 --> 01:14:13,935 Speaker 5: and I'm still using it, and I cut it, and 1335 01:14:13,975 --> 01:14:16,375 Speaker 5: I grind on it, and I sand on it, and 1336 01:14:16,375 --> 01:14:17,935 Speaker 5: I chisel on it and all the rest of it. 1337 01:14:17,935 --> 01:14:20,175 Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, in another couple of years, i might 1338 01:14:20,175 --> 01:14:22,535 Speaker 5: flip it over and I'll keep another twenty years. 1339 01:14:22,335 --> 01:14:22,695 Speaker 8: Out of it. 1340 01:14:22,775 --> 01:14:26,695 Speaker 5: So yeah, the other side, yeah, yeah, anyway, right, showers. 1341 01:14:26,255 --> 01:14:29,935 Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, freemment. I'm just forget the behalf of appearance. 1342 01:14:30,015 --> 01:14:31,695 Speaker 13: I'm going to shower. Put in one of these free 1343 01:14:31,695 --> 01:14:34,455 Speaker 13: standing ones. Yeah, you know, like the weather glass doors 1344 01:14:34,455 --> 01:14:37,095 Speaker 13: and all. They're about probably ten years ago, yep. And 1345 01:14:37,175 --> 01:14:38,695 Speaker 13: there were saying, well, you notice when you pops in 1346 01:14:38,735 --> 01:14:40,735 Speaker 13: the show and now the shore sometimes before is a 1347 01:14:40,735 --> 01:14:43,415 Speaker 13: bit of a squeak in it. Yep, it doesn't leak. 1348 01:14:43,495 --> 01:14:45,415 Speaker 13: And I'm just thinking, I'm pretty seen under those they 1349 01:14:45,455 --> 01:14:48,615 Speaker 13: have like a foam, like a polystreine, fine thing, and 1350 01:14:48,775 --> 01:14:49,855 Speaker 13: don't they some of. 1351 01:14:49,815 --> 01:14:54,695 Speaker 5: Them might, Like I installed one about two years ago 1352 01:14:54,935 --> 01:14:56,975 Speaker 5: that didn't have the foam. It just had a whole 1353 01:14:57,015 --> 01:15:00,495 Speaker 5: series of rings. And the real challenge is because what 1354 01:15:00,535 --> 01:15:02,175 Speaker 5: you want them to do is to have a decent 1355 01:15:02,255 --> 01:15:05,055 Speaker 5: beat of adhesive under there, right, so you don't get squeaking. 1356 01:15:05,055 --> 01:15:08,895 Speaker 5: Over time, you apply the ceilant to the underside of 1357 01:15:08,935 --> 01:15:12,695 Speaker 5: the tray and then as you drop it down sometimes 1358 01:15:12,695 --> 01:15:15,295 Speaker 5: the ceilant comes off, and you know it's like it's 1359 01:15:15,295 --> 01:15:19,135 Speaker 5: tricky to do getting rid of that squeak. Kind of 1360 01:15:19,175 --> 01:15:21,775 Speaker 5: tricky because you know, how do you like, is it 1361 01:15:21,815 --> 01:15:26,855 Speaker 5: a timber floor. Could you get underneath and squirt some more? Okay? 1362 01:15:27,855 --> 01:15:30,655 Speaker 13: Yeah, I said there was probably just general movement. After time, 1363 01:15:30,695 --> 01:15:32,495 Speaker 13: he's not worried about he's asked about it. I said, 1364 01:15:32,575 --> 01:15:35,655 Speaker 13: it's probably just everything sibling and it's nothing. It's not leaking, 1365 01:15:35,735 --> 01:15:37,295 Speaker 13: so there's not leaking. Don't worry about it. 1366 01:15:37,655 --> 01:15:41,935 Speaker 5: And I think that that's very wise advice. If it's 1367 01:15:41,935 --> 01:15:43,655 Speaker 5: not leaking, just leave it. It might be a little 1368 01:15:43,655 --> 01:15:45,535 Speaker 5: bit annoying, and I know it feels a bit funny, 1369 01:15:45,815 --> 01:15:48,495 Speaker 5: you know, the shower tray moving around, that sort of thing, 1370 01:15:48,575 --> 01:15:52,455 Speaker 5: But in general, I think it'll be fine. 1371 01:15:52,495 --> 01:15:54,135 Speaker 13: It's just in a basement, so so they don't use 1372 01:15:54,135 --> 01:15:56,695 Speaker 13: it pretty often. Just he's got a he does a 1373 01:15:56,735 --> 01:15:58,895 Speaker 13: lot of wood working with lab and there down the basement, 1374 01:15:58,935 --> 01:16:00,535 Speaker 13: so he does the little bowls and stuff from that 1375 01:16:00,615 --> 01:16:03,375 Speaker 13: for hobbies and that nice. It's a shout to sort 1376 01:16:03,415 --> 01:16:05,815 Speaker 13: of show before it comes up and Mom goes, what 1377 01:16:05,855 --> 01:16:09,575 Speaker 13: you bring. It's just a clean off. But you see 1378 01:16:09,655 --> 01:16:13,615 Speaker 13: he's noticed that it squeaks a bit, probably this movement 1379 01:16:13,655 --> 01:16:17,055 Speaker 13: with over time. He goes, it's not leaking. I see 1380 01:16:17,055 --> 01:16:18,815 Speaker 13: it was not leaking. Don't It's kind of like I've 1381 01:16:18,815 --> 01:16:20,975 Speaker 13: always been brought up. If it does, it was not broken. 1382 01:16:21,055 --> 01:16:23,175 Speaker 13: Don't drive into it could cause more problems. 1383 01:16:24,415 --> 01:16:26,815 Speaker 5: I'm laughing because I love the fact that, you know, 1384 01:16:26,895 --> 01:16:29,415 Speaker 5: he can go and have a quick shower downstairs. Because 1385 01:16:29,415 --> 01:16:32,095 Speaker 5: I came back from doing a job the other day 1386 01:16:32,255 --> 01:16:35,415 Speaker 5: and you know when and walked, came and took my 1387 01:16:35,455 --> 01:16:39,135 Speaker 5: boots off, went into the bathroom, uh you know, stripped off, 1388 01:16:39,215 --> 01:16:41,455 Speaker 5: jumped in the shower, and then I was tidying up afterwards, 1389 01:16:41,495 --> 01:16:45,215 Speaker 5: and these these bits of grass and depre all over 1390 01:16:45,255 --> 01:16:48,175 Speaker 5: the bathroom floor. And that'd be awesome to be able 1391 01:16:48,175 --> 01:16:50,375 Speaker 5: to strip off outside and have a shower before you 1392 01:16:50,415 --> 01:16:53,215 Speaker 5: come inside the house. That's great. Yeah, that's what I 1393 01:16:53,255 --> 01:16:55,535 Speaker 5: love that, all right, that's awesome. 1394 01:16:55,815 --> 01:16:58,535 Speaker 13: That's what I thought it was. I thought moving a. 1395 01:16:58,495 --> 01:17:01,775 Speaker 5: Little bit annoying, but I leave well enough alone. All 1396 01:17:01,855 --> 01:17:03,695 Speaker 5: right mate, all the best you Craig. You take care. 1397 01:17:04,215 --> 01:17:06,935 Speaker 5: Actually someone suggested it could be the shower is rubbing 1398 01:17:06,935 --> 01:17:09,935 Speaker 5: against the bottom plate, because often when these are installed, 1399 01:17:10,015 --> 01:17:12,855 Speaker 5: you actually cut out the lining around the base of 1400 01:17:12,895 --> 01:17:16,695 Speaker 5: the shower so that the shower is recessed in underneath 1401 01:17:16,735 --> 01:17:18,815 Speaker 5: the wall, lining, plaster board, whatever it's going to be, 1402 01:17:19,815 --> 01:17:22,135 Speaker 5: and sometimes that can rub at that point. So thank 1403 01:17:22,175 --> 01:17:24,655 Speaker 5: you very much for that as well. Jim, good morning. 1404 01:17:25,375 --> 01:17:30,695 Speaker 4: Get two things. The woman that it's got the problems, Yes, 1405 01:17:30,815 --> 01:17:34,735 Speaker 4: the water going over the top. She couldn't put something 1406 01:17:35,175 --> 01:17:40,375 Speaker 4: on the in the gather to list the heights of 1407 01:17:40,535 --> 01:17:44,415 Speaker 4: the outside, you know, instead of. 1408 01:17:45,175 --> 01:17:47,135 Speaker 5: I know what you're saying. It like a little shield 1409 01:17:47,215 --> 01:17:49,415 Speaker 5: or something like that that directs. Yeah, but it's all 1410 01:17:49,455 --> 01:17:50,015 Speaker 5: about Hoki. 1411 01:17:50,095 --> 01:17:52,935 Speaker 4: A yeah, it is right, yep, yeah. 1412 01:17:53,775 --> 01:17:55,375 Speaker 5: Let's stay away from Hoky. 1413 01:17:56,015 --> 01:17:59,655 Speaker 4: The other thing is I've got a growth on the 1414 01:17:59,695 --> 01:18:05,415 Speaker 4: corrugated iron roof. It is shaded by trees. I'd call itchen. 1415 01:18:06,735 --> 01:18:10,295 Speaker 4: I don't know if that's right or not, but it's 1416 01:18:10,415 --> 01:18:14,855 Speaker 4: very flat on the roof. What can I spray it 1417 01:18:14,935 --> 01:18:15,895 Speaker 4: with to get it off? 1418 01:18:16,815 --> 01:18:18,735 Speaker 5: To be fair, I've heard that wit and Forget works 1419 01:18:18,735 --> 01:18:19,455 Speaker 5: really well on it. 1420 01:18:20,615 --> 01:18:22,775 Speaker 4: All right, yeah, okay, and. 1421 01:18:22,735 --> 01:18:24,335 Speaker 5: Then you know you know that it's not going to 1422 01:18:24,415 --> 01:18:27,575 Speaker 5: cause other problems in a major way, yep. So yeah, 1423 01:18:27,735 --> 01:18:30,895 Speaker 5: spray it with that if you're using the water for drinking, 1424 01:18:31,055 --> 01:18:34,735 Speaker 5: like if you've got water tanks. No otherwise no bi 1425 01:18:34,775 --> 01:18:36,775 Speaker 5: all accounts works really well. And I've got the same thing, 1426 01:18:36,895 --> 01:18:39,375 Speaker 5: a little awning roof that's got some clear light on 1427 01:18:39,415 --> 01:18:42,575 Speaker 5: it back porch and it's got a bit of liken 1428 01:18:42,655 --> 01:18:48,015 Speaker 5: on it. I've applied it and it's gone so okay, yes, okay, 1429 01:18:48,295 --> 01:18:51,135 Speaker 5: take care I see it then. And Chris a very 1430 01:18:51,135 --> 01:18:51,655 Speaker 5: good morning. 1431 01:18:52,415 --> 01:18:53,455 Speaker 21: Oh good morning, Pete. 1432 01:18:53,455 --> 01:18:55,455 Speaker 5: How are you very well in yourself? 1433 01:18:56,415 --> 01:18:59,415 Speaker 21: We had a house built for us by a building 1434 01:18:59,455 --> 01:19:02,815 Speaker 21: company about two and a half years ago. We were 1435 01:19:02,855 --> 01:19:05,495 Speaker 21: going to move the house to right on the beach 1436 01:19:05,575 --> 01:19:08,575 Speaker 21: up here in the farm. Also, of course, it was 1437 01:19:08,615 --> 01:19:11,855 Speaker 21: all stainless steel fixings, et cetera. The hardy plank, the 1438 01:19:11,895 --> 01:19:15,495 Speaker 21: seven mill hardy plank that's on the house. We supposedly 1439 01:19:16,375 --> 01:19:20,135 Speaker 21: use stainles steel flat head to hold it, hold it together, yes, 1440 01:19:21,015 --> 01:19:23,735 Speaker 21: and then painted. Now two and a half years down 1441 01:19:23,735 --> 01:19:27,135 Speaker 21: the track, I'm starting to see all rusty nail heads 1442 01:19:27,335 --> 01:19:32,055 Speaker 21: coming through the paint now might this be that one? 1443 01:19:32,535 --> 01:19:35,455 Speaker 21: They may have used galve clouds to hold the hardy 1444 01:19:35,495 --> 01:19:39,575 Speaker 21: board on, or it's had too little paint put on it. 1445 01:19:39,655 --> 01:19:42,215 Speaker 21: We suspect that it's in a very you know, like 1446 01:19:42,375 --> 01:19:44,775 Speaker 21: maybe just a single top coat. 1447 01:19:44,655 --> 01:19:45,255 Speaker 20: On the house. 1448 01:19:48,175 --> 01:19:52,135 Speaker 21: How can I fix these rusty nail heads on these? 1449 01:19:52,215 --> 01:19:53,695 Speaker 21: And is it the rest of the house as well? 1450 01:19:53,895 --> 01:19:55,455 Speaker 21: Just that I'm looking out at the moment. 1451 01:19:55,855 --> 01:19:57,895 Speaker 5: It would be interesting perhaps to try and go to 1452 01:19:57,935 --> 01:20:01,775 Speaker 5: an area that's you know, not well trafficked and see 1453 01:20:01,775 --> 01:20:04,695 Speaker 5: if you could pull a nail out to determine exactly 1454 01:20:04,735 --> 01:20:08,375 Speaker 5: what it was, you know, so you could just scratch 1455 01:20:08,455 --> 01:20:10,895 Speaker 5: the head of the nail. Right, So it's a flathead, right, 1456 01:20:11,295 --> 01:20:13,415 Speaker 5: So go to an area with a bit of sandpaper, 1457 01:20:13,615 --> 01:20:16,415 Speaker 5: send it back and see whether or not it is 1458 01:20:16,575 --> 01:20:19,855 Speaker 5: actually a stainless steel flathead, or whether it is in 1459 01:20:19,895 --> 01:20:24,815 Speaker 5: fact a galvanized flathead. Now galvanized flathead might actually be compliant, 1460 01:20:25,895 --> 01:20:27,735 Speaker 5: but inevitably. 1461 01:20:27,215 --> 01:20:30,895 Speaker 21: The zone heavy the spray zone we're in, which and 1462 01:20:30,935 --> 01:20:32,095 Speaker 21: it was specified in that. 1463 01:20:32,575 --> 01:20:35,855 Speaker 5: Hardy place, Okay, if it was specified. Now I'm going 1464 01:20:35,935 --> 01:20:37,855 Speaker 5: to have to go to stay on the line because 1465 01:20:37,895 --> 01:20:40,095 Speaker 5: I want to crash into the news like I usually do. 1466 01:20:40,175 --> 01:20:43,495 Speaker 5: We're back straight after the break Ruddio, Good morning, Welcome 1467 01:20:43,495 --> 01:20:45,375 Speaker 5: back to the program. We're just going to wrap up 1468 01:20:45,375 --> 01:20:48,215 Speaker 5: the conversation with Chris that we started before the news 1469 01:20:48,255 --> 01:20:52,575 Speaker 5: at eight o'clock. So, Chris, I'm wondering whether you you 1470 01:20:52,655 --> 01:20:55,895 Speaker 5: mentioned that obviously the work had a consent, in which 1471 01:20:55,935 --> 01:20:59,935 Speaker 5: case what was specified is what's required to have been used. 1472 01:21:00,335 --> 01:21:02,415 Speaker 5: What will be curious to find out is are the 1473 01:21:02,495 --> 01:21:04,615 Speaker 5: nails that have been used for the fixing of the 1474 01:21:04,655 --> 01:21:09,095 Speaker 5: siding stainless dealers specified or perhaps if they use galvanized. 1475 01:21:09,135 --> 01:21:11,775 Speaker 5: If they've used galvanized, then that becomes a really big 1476 01:21:11,815 --> 01:21:14,415 Speaker 5: problem for the person that nailed all of that siding 1477 01:21:14,455 --> 01:21:17,295 Speaker 5: on because I think you'd make a good case to say, actually, 1478 01:21:17,335 --> 01:21:20,775 Speaker 5: you've got to come and replace them, or at least 1479 01:21:20,775 --> 01:21:24,015 Speaker 5: come and treat all of the nails that are there, 1480 01:21:24,535 --> 01:21:28,415 Speaker 5: so you know, even like I've noticed, if sometimes when 1481 01:21:28,455 --> 01:21:31,655 Speaker 5: you're using galvanized fixings right, because you're pounding on the 1482 01:21:31,655 --> 01:21:34,135 Speaker 5: top of them, it does tend to break down a 1483 01:21:34,135 --> 01:21:37,175 Speaker 5: little bit of the galvanizing, so it exposes a bit 1484 01:21:37,175 --> 01:21:40,015 Speaker 5: of the metal. That's not unusual saying that, and it's 1485 01:21:40,055 --> 01:21:43,175 Speaker 5: a bit of a frustration I've used stainless steel pins 1486 01:21:43,415 --> 01:21:47,175 Speaker 5: in a like a finishing gun for putting on trim outside, 1487 01:21:47,375 --> 01:21:52,695 Speaker 5: and I've noticed they've rusted, So you know what standard 1488 01:21:52,735 --> 01:21:56,335 Speaker 5: of stainless steel to be fair, I bought some stuff. 1489 01:21:56,895 --> 01:22:03,815 Speaker 5: I'm not even go there, so it's a long story. 1490 01:22:04,015 --> 01:22:04,255 Speaker 7: Yeah. 1491 01:22:04,775 --> 01:22:08,735 Speaker 21: So at the moment, how do I there's about twenty 1492 01:22:09,295 --> 01:22:12,415 Speaker 21: or so nails on the south side of the house, yep, 1493 01:22:12,535 --> 01:22:14,695 Speaker 21: and like we washed the house down once a month 1494 01:22:14,735 --> 01:22:15,455 Speaker 21: because we live. 1495 01:22:15,295 --> 01:22:17,655 Speaker 5: About fantastic from the beach. 1496 01:22:17,815 --> 01:22:19,495 Speaker 11: Yes, and. 1497 01:22:21,095 --> 01:22:24,175 Speaker 21: I've noticed that the nails and the site are also 1498 01:22:24,335 --> 01:22:30,735 Speaker 21: starting to show that rust. So is it that paint 1499 01:22:30,815 --> 01:22:34,775 Speaker 21: put on or is it that they've cheaked out? 1500 01:22:34,935 --> 01:22:39,255 Speaker 5: I look, I saw the other day someone had fixed 1501 01:22:39,655 --> 01:22:47,575 Speaker 5: five er cent safite sheet with jib clouds. Okay, right, 1502 01:22:47,735 --> 01:22:49,615 Speaker 5: so I'm hoping that we're not going to go down 1503 01:22:49,655 --> 01:22:52,095 Speaker 5: that path with your job. But you know, I have 1504 01:22:52,255 --> 01:22:54,775 Speaker 5: seen that sort of thing, and you know, while they 1505 01:22:54,975 --> 01:22:58,055 Speaker 5: have some corrosion resistance, they're not designed for outside. 1506 01:22:59,935 --> 01:23:02,815 Speaker 21: Can I approach the building company that built this house 1507 01:23:02,815 --> 01:23:03,175 Speaker 21: for us? 1508 01:23:03,415 --> 01:23:03,615 Speaker 6: Yeah? 1509 01:23:03,655 --> 01:23:07,855 Speaker 5: I think so, but it's probably worth getting someone else 1510 01:23:07,895 --> 01:23:09,695 Speaker 5: to do a bit of due diligence for you. So 1511 01:23:09,735 --> 01:23:12,495 Speaker 5: maybe another experienced builder or a building surveyor to come 1512 01:23:12,895 --> 01:23:15,975 Speaker 5: have a look. So I expose the nail head and 1513 01:23:16,015 --> 01:23:17,455 Speaker 5: see whether it's actually stainless. 1514 01:23:17,535 --> 01:23:17,735 Speaker 7: Right. 1515 01:23:17,775 --> 01:23:19,935 Speaker 5: If it's not stainless and it should have been, then 1516 01:23:19,935 --> 01:23:22,975 Speaker 5: that's a problem for the contractor not following the specifications. 1517 01:23:23,735 --> 01:23:27,055 Speaker 5: If it is stainless and it's still corroding, then maybe 1518 01:23:27,055 --> 01:23:29,815 Speaker 5: that's an issue for the manufacturer or the supplier of 1519 01:23:29,855 --> 01:23:34,055 Speaker 5: the product. Is this really up to spec Let's say 1520 01:23:34,255 --> 01:23:36,375 Speaker 5: you've got the whole house, it's all been fixed off 1521 01:23:36,415 --> 01:23:40,735 Speaker 5: with galvanized flatheads that maybe should have been stainless. Then 1522 01:23:40,855 --> 01:23:42,415 Speaker 5: I would say it's probably going to be a case 1523 01:23:42,415 --> 01:23:45,935 Speaker 5: of getting the contractor to come through, expose the heads 1524 01:23:45,935 --> 01:23:48,855 Speaker 5: of all of the nails, some of the nails, apply 1525 01:23:49,095 --> 01:23:53,055 Speaker 5: a rust kill treatment to them, and then repaint the house. 1526 01:23:53,055 --> 01:23:54,975 Speaker 5: And if they can't get the patching right, then it's 1527 01:23:55,015 --> 01:23:57,535 Speaker 5: a repaint of the entire thing, not just the individual 1528 01:23:57,615 --> 01:23:59,695 Speaker 5: nails in the area around them. 1529 01:24:00,135 --> 01:24:01,055 Speaker 21: Yeah, but it. 1530 01:24:01,015 --> 01:24:03,495 Speaker 5: Should it should last more than it has. 1531 01:24:04,095 --> 01:24:09,055 Speaker 21: Yeah, a building company name the name, but they apparently 1532 01:24:09,095 --> 01:24:11,855 Speaker 21: they had an LBP that came on site from time 1533 01:24:11,895 --> 01:24:16,455 Speaker 21: to time to check up like they do and signed 1534 01:24:16,455 --> 01:24:18,615 Speaker 21: it off. I've got the name of the guy because 1535 01:24:18,615 --> 01:24:22,615 Speaker 21: there was some problem with some of the framing to internally, 1536 01:24:22,615 --> 01:24:24,575 Speaker 21: which I approached him and he was okay about that. Yes, 1537 01:24:24,895 --> 01:24:29,895 Speaker 21: but also obviously a house should have an undercoat and 1538 01:24:30,015 --> 01:24:32,775 Speaker 21: two top coats on. That would be industry standards. 1539 01:24:32,815 --> 01:24:33,975 Speaker 5: I would say, so yep. 1540 01:24:34,255 --> 01:24:34,895 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. 1541 01:24:34,935 --> 01:24:37,655 Speaker 21: So can I take we think very much that it's 1542 01:24:37,655 --> 01:24:41,575 Speaker 21: only had one coat of top coat on it. Can 1543 01:24:41,655 --> 01:24:43,895 Speaker 21: I take a piece of the paint to someone like 1544 01:24:44,015 --> 01:24:48,055 Speaker 21: Razine to see how thick the paint is that's been 1545 01:24:48,095 --> 01:24:48,495 Speaker 21: put on? 1546 01:24:48,735 --> 01:24:51,695 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's it's there's laboratory testing for that, so it's 1547 01:24:51,775 --> 01:24:54,655 Speaker 5: quite a process. But yes, I believe that you could. 1548 01:24:55,855 --> 01:24:57,495 Speaker 5: Now quick tip before we go, because I've got an 1549 01:24:57,495 --> 01:25:00,055 Speaker 5: interview to do. Easy way to check for stainless steels 1550 01:25:00,135 --> 01:25:02,775 Speaker 5: is with a magnet. If it sticks, it ain't stainless, 1551 01:25:03,975 --> 01:25:05,855 Speaker 5: that's well. Yeah, there you go. 1552 01:25:07,215 --> 01:25:07,655 Speaker 7: All right. 1553 01:25:07,815 --> 01:25:09,975 Speaker 5: I love the teks all the best, mate, Thank you 1554 01:25:10,095 --> 01:25:13,615 Speaker 5: very much for your call. Now I'm delighted to welcome 1555 01:25:13,655 --> 01:25:16,935 Speaker 5: to the show this morning. Someone who's I read an 1556 01:25:17,055 --> 01:25:21,175 Speaker 5: article written by Storm some weeks ago and thought and 1557 01:25:21,215 --> 01:25:25,135 Speaker 5: they've had a number of conversations about ventilation. So Storm 1558 01:25:25,295 --> 01:25:27,935 Speaker 5: harp them a very good morning and welcome to the show. 1559 01:25:28,855 --> 01:25:30,615 Speaker 22: Good morning today morning. 1560 01:25:30,815 --> 01:25:34,055 Speaker 5: I'm very well, So let's talk ventilation, which I think 1561 01:25:34,095 --> 01:25:36,135 Speaker 5: in all of the ten years of doing the show, 1562 01:25:36,215 --> 01:25:39,895 Speaker 5: I've never had a ventilation expert on, so I'm kind 1563 01:25:39,935 --> 01:25:43,375 Speaker 5: of excited. And where I wanted to start is what 1564 01:25:43,535 --> 01:25:45,495 Speaker 5: is ventilation? And how is it that we've sort of 1565 01:25:45,495 --> 01:25:49,095 Speaker 5: got to a place where suddenly ventilation isn't just opening 1566 01:25:49,135 --> 01:25:50,095 Speaker 5: the windows anymore. 1567 01:25:51,255 --> 01:25:54,375 Speaker 22: Yeah, Look, it's an excellent question, and for those of 1568 01:25:54,415 --> 01:25:56,255 Speaker 22: us in the ventilation industry, we do wish it had 1569 01:25:56,295 --> 01:26:03,015 Speaker 22: been that ten years ago. But the honest answer is 1570 01:26:03,095 --> 01:26:06,695 Speaker 22: ventilation is moving into and out of us. So if 1571 01:26:06,695 --> 01:26:08,535 Speaker 22: they've be air and air out, and you're probably at 1572 01:26:08,575 --> 01:26:14,575 Speaker 22: first phrases like clean air and fairlier out, but the 1573 01:26:14,695 --> 01:26:18,175 Speaker 22: actual practice of ventilation can be done in a whole 1574 01:26:18,175 --> 01:26:21,255 Speaker 22: lot of ways, which is probably why we've not not 1575 01:26:21,495 --> 01:26:23,855 Speaker 22: really talked about it too much in the past. And 1576 01:26:23,895 --> 01:26:26,615 Speaker 22: also you asked the question, and it's a really good one. 1577 01:26:26,935 --> 01:26:29,375 Speaker 22: How is it that we're only really coming to discuss 1578 01:26:29,415 --> 01:26:34,815 Speaker 22: it now and with such urgency? And the reason for 1579 01:26:34,895 --> 01:26:38,815 Speaker 22: that is we're building differently and we're living differently. But 1580 01:26:39,775 --> 01:26:43,495 Speaker 22: I don't want to accuse just the building differently that 1581 01:26:43,975 --> 01:26:46,015 Speaker 22: I've got to be really careful of that because some 1582 01:26:46,055 --> 01:26:49,535 Speaker 22: people are going, well, it's because we're building differently. Ventilation 1583 01:26:49,615 --> 01:26:52,895 Speaker 22: has always been a problem. We're just noticing it more 1584 01:26:52,935 --> 01:26:55,775 Speaker 22: now because it's turning up in our lives physically. 1585 01:26:56,975 --> 01:26:58,615 Speaker 5: And I think part of that is kind of if 1586 01:26:58,615 --> 01:27:02,735 Speaker 5: we take an analytical view of the type of houses 1587 01:27:02,775 --> 01:27:04,855 Speaker 5: that we have built for so long in New Zealand. 1588 01:27:05,695 --> 01:27:07,815 Speaker 5: So you know my house, I'm in an old villa. 1589 01:27:08,055 --> 01:27:11,095 Speaker 5: It's got no well, it never had any building paper. 1590 01:27:11,255 --> 01:27:13,295 Speaker 5: It's got lots of drafts and cracks and that sort 1591 01:27:13,335 --> 01:27:16,535 Speaker 5: of thing. In a sense, it's kind of accidental ventilation. 1592 01:27:16,655 --> 01:27:21,055 Speaker 5: It's drafty, right, and so it kind of ventilates itself, 1593 01:27:21,095 --> 01:27:24,095 Speaker 5: but not in any controllable way. Whereas today, if we've 1594 01:27:24,135 --> 01:27:27,095 Speaker 5: got a concrete slab, we've got timber framing, we've got 1595 01:27:27,855 --> 01:27:31,015 Speaker 5: either a rigid wrap or a tape around or a 1596 01:27:31,335 --> 01:27:34,375 Speaker 5: flexible barrier around. We've got a roof with an underlay, 1597 01:27:34,375 --> 01:27:37,375 Speaker 5: we've got aluminium jewelery that should be well sealed. Those 1598 01:27:37,415 --> 01:27:40,015 Speaker 5: sorts of things we're not air tight. And I'm very 1599 01:27:40,055 --> 01:27:43,175 Speaker 5: conscious about not claiming that our houses are air tight, 1600 01:27:43,255 --> 01:27:46,735 Speaker 5: because that's a very specific phrase and so on. But 1601 01:27:46,895 --> 01:27:50,135 Speaker 5: increasingly they're not as drafty as they used to be, 1602 01:27:50,175 --> 01:27:53,535 Speaker 5: so ventilation suddenly becomes something you actually need to do 1603 01:27:53,735 --> 01:27:55,335 Speaker 5: rather than it happening accidentally. 1604 01:27:56,415 --> 01:27:59,295 Speaker 22: Absolutely, and you've kind of hit the nail on the heads. 1605 01:27:59,295 --> 01:28:02,895 Speaker 22: There was the old villas. Yes, they were a little 1606 01:28:02,895 --> 01:28:03,375 Speaker 22: bit drafty. 1607 01:28:03,455 --> 01:28:03,655 Speaker 2: You know. 1608 01:28:03,695 --> 01:28:05,135 Speaker 22: You can go into an old villa, but your hand 1609 01:28:05,175 --> 01:28:07,215 Speaker 22: next to the joy in the window and you can 1610 01:28:07,335 --> 01:28:11,415 Speaker 22: feel the ear moving, and that's moving because the wind 1611 01:28:11,455 --> 01:28:13,735 Speaker 22: pressure or the wind on the outside of the building 1612 01:28:14,135 --> 01:28:16,695 Speaker 22: has created what we call the pressure differential or kind 1613 01:28:16,735 --> 01:28:18,615 Speaker 22: of like a heavier side of the building and a 1614 01:28:18,695 --> 01:28:20,855 Speaker 22: lighter side of the building, and the air wants to 1615 01:28:20,935 --> 01:28:26,175 Speaker 22: roll down hills. So you've got this this natural air movement. 1616 01:28:26,215 --> 01:28:29,135 Speaker 22: But also in old villas, you had other planned gaps. 1617 01:28:29,135 --> 01:28:30,935 Speaker 22: Did you have a fireplace in your place? 1618 01:28:31,255 --> 01:28:33,255 Speaker 18: We do, Yeah, there you go. 1619 01:28:34,015 --> 01:28:36,215 Speaker 22: So that's got a chimney and that's not blocked off. 1620 01:28:37,175 --> 01:28:40,615 Speaker 22: It's got a high and low windows, so you'll have 1621 01:28:41,575 --> 01:28:43,295 Speaker 22: the windows right up the top that you can open 1622 01:28:43,375 --> 01:28:45,775 Speaker 22: up to get air moving. When you've got heat at 1623 01:28:45,815 --> 01:28:48,295 Speaker 22: the top and cooler ear down the bottom, and it'll 1624 01:28:48,655 --> 01:28:50,895 Speaker 22: shift air out of the house. So we even designed 1625 01:28:50,935 --> 01:28:55,615 Speaker 22: and oriented our buildings differently as well. So we did 1626 01:28:55,735 --> 01:28:58,855 Speaker 22: build a lot differently and we started putting you've got 1627 01:28:58,895 --> 01:29:02,095 Speaker 22: the concerte slab now, and you've got well sealed windows. 1628 01:29:02,135 --> 01:29:03,935 Speaker 22: You're not going to get those drafts through them anymore. 1629 01:29:05,935 --> 01:29:09,095 Speaker 22: And we're also using different like rigid air barreas on 1630 01:29:09,135 --> 01:29:11,255 Speaker 22: the outside of our buildings have a different We call 1631 01:29:11,295 --> 01:29:14,335 Speaker 22: it vapor permeability, which is basically how much moisture can 1632 01:29:14,855 --> 01:29:21,175 Speaker 22: can move through a material. So our whole house is 1633 01:29:21,255 --> 01:29:25,255 Speaker 22: using different materials, different construction methods, and you know, we 1634 01:29:25,295 --> 01:29:28,375 Speaker 22: don't want to say it's air tightness or you're tight anymore, 1635 01:29:28,615 --> 01:29:32,415 Speaker 22: but we're definitely not getting natural air movements, not in 1636 01:29:32,455 --> 01:29:35,375 Speaker 22: the same way in words. 1637 01:29:35,095 --> 01:29:38,175 Speaker 5: That even I can understand. Could you try and explain 1638 01:29:38,255 --> 01:29:43,375 Speaker 5: to me vapor permeability, because it's a concept that I'm 1639 01:29:43,375 --> 01:29:46,295 Speaker 5: beginning to get my head around, but I'm still staggered 1640 01:29:46,335 --> 01:29:49,895 Speaker 5: in a sense by the notion that vapor in air 1641 01:29:50,215 --> 01:29:53,935 Speaker 5: can migrate through us. What I think is a solid surface, 1642 01:29:54,055 --> 01:29:55,255 Speaker 5: my exterior wall. 1643 01:29:56,495 --> 01:29:58,975 Speaker 22: Well, let's use something that's not quite a solid surface. 1644 01:29:59,015 --> 01:30:01,295 Speaker 22: And I've ended up with tetwel so so there with me. 1645 01:30:02,055 --> 01:30:04,255 Speaker 22: You know, you get a kind of maybe a cheap 1646 01:30:04,375 --> 01:30:05,775 Speaker 22: new tea towel and you put water on and the 1647 01:30:05,815 --> 01:30:10,615 Speaker 22: water on it yep, and then a different tea tail 1648 01:30:10,655 --> 01:30:13,815 Speaker 22: with a different wave will allow that water to sink 1649 01:30:13,855 --> 01:30:19,655 Speaker 22: and faster and potentially drop through. Now, eventually both surfaces 1650 01:30:19,775 --> 01:30:23,455 Speaker 22: soak that water up, but that wave, that kind of 1651 01:30:23,535 --> 01:30:28,895 Speaker 22: whole construction of that material causes a different reaction. So 1652 01:30:28,935 --> 01:30:31,815 Speaker 22: what happens with a fermiability is it's a little bit 1653 01:30:31,895 --> 01:30:34,255 Speaker 22: like that. I'm going sideways to kind of get to 1654 01:30:34,295 --> 01:30:38,495 Speaker 22: the point. But is that water that's in our ear 1655 01:30:38,535 --> 01:30:40,375 Speaker 22: and we have water in our air all of the time. 1656 01:30:40,455 --> 01:30:42,655 Speaker 22: We can't see it, and it's healthy a lot of 1657 01:30:42,695 --> 01:30:44,655 Speaker 22: the time. It's a healthy amount of amount of water 1658 01:30:44,695 --> 01:30:49,175 Speaker 22: and out. Yeah, but it pushes against those exterior surfaces, 1659 01:30:49,575 --> 01:30:52,455 Speaker 22: and those surfaces are prepared to take on a little 1660 01:30:52,455 --> 01:30:55,495 Speaker 22: bit of that moisture, kind of like clothes in your wardrobe, right, 1661 01:30:55,535 --> 01:30:57,615 Speaker 22: you've got dipped them in the part, but if you've 1662 01:30:57,655 --> 01:31:01,655 Speaker 22: got a damp house, you might find mold in your wardrobe. 1663 01:31:01,855 --> 01:31:04,415 Speaker 22: And so that ear is pushing against those surfaces, and 1664 01:31:04,535 --> 01:31:07,615 Speaker 22: different materials have different call it weaves because it's you 1665 01:31:07,735 --> 01:31:12,295 Speaker 22: for ttail example, and essentially that moisture can migrate into 1666 01:31:12,335 --> 01:31:16,335 Speaker 22: the surface. And so in our older styles we had 1667 01:31:16,975 --> 01:31:19,815 Speaker 22: we had a kind of a looser weave of material 1668 01:31:19,855 --> 01:31:22,415 Speaker 22: and now we've got a solid one. 1669 01:31:23,815 --> 01:31:27,415 Speaker 5: Is that Yeah? No, absolutely, And then you point you 1670 01:31:27,455 --> 01:31:30,215 Speaker 5: started to talk there about mold, because this is something 1671 01:31:30,415 --> 01:31:33,375 Speaker 5: that I was doing a presentation yesterday and in various 1672 01:31:33,455 --> 01:31:37,255 Speaker 5: brand surveys and housing condition surveys, you know, close to 1673 01:31:37,375 --> 01:31:41,535 Speaker 5: half of New Zealanders report having mold on the inside 1674 01:31:41,575 --> 01:31:48,095 Speaker 5: of their houses. Ventilation and mold. What's the correlation. 1675 01:31:49,615 --> 01:31:52,415 Speaker 22: Yeah, it's it's all about the moisture in the air 1676 01:31:53,815 --> 01:31:57,335 Speaker 22: that so I talked before about we've all got moisture 1677 01:31:57,375 --> 01:31:58,895 Speaker 22: in the air, and we'll we normally have it in 1678 01:31:58,935 --> 01:32:02,415 Speaker 22: there and you'll see it on your weather applot percentage 1679 01:32:02,615 --> 01:32:05,735 Speaker 22: relative humidity, So you might have over summer we get 1680 01:32:05,775 --> 01:32:07,575 Speaker 22: up eighty only sims up in Auckland. 1681 01:32:08,215 --> 01:32:08,455 Speaker 7: We're not. 1682 01:32:08,495 --> 01:32:12,935 Speaker 22: It's a lot drier down in Queenstown. And then there's 1683 01:32:12,655 --> 01:32:15,775 Speaker 22: this healthy amount of moisture that's sitting between about forty 1684 01:32:15,775 --> 01:32:19,455 Speaker 22: to sixty percent relative humidity. And I'll stress the relative 1685 01:32:19,615 --> 01:32:25,095 Speaker 22: because relative humidity is actually it's a percentage based on 1686 01:32:25,135 --> 01:32:27,295 Speaker 22: the temperture of your ear. So the air warms up, 1687 01:32:27,535 --> 01:32:29,895 Speaker 22: the relative humidity goes down, even if you don't change 1688 01:32:29,895 --> 01:32:33,175 Speaker 22: the moisture contents. But you've got this moisture sitting in 1689 01:32:33,175 --> 01:32:36,935 Speaker 22: your ear and we're trapped in these these boxes, and 1690 01:32:37,015 --> 01:32:39,935 Speaker 22: they are only beautiful boxes, which you've got a good artist. 1691 01:32:41,215 --> 01:32:43,255 Speaker 22: And we're trapped in these boxes. And we've been breathing, 1692 01:32:43,335 --> 01:32:46,215 Speaker 22: we've been cooking, and we've been cleaning, and we've been showering, 1693 01:32:46,575 --> 01:32:51,135 Speaker 22: and hopefully we've used our extractor fans, but we've generated 1694 01:32:51,175 --> 01:32:54,015 Speaker 22: a certain moisture level that's not left the space. And 1695 01:32:54,135 --> 01:32:58,335 Speaker 22: the longer those surfaces that close in your wardrobe, you're 1696 01:32:58,375 --> 01:33:02,855 Speaker 22: building materials. The corners stay at a high humidity level 1697 01:33:02,855 --> 01:33:06,695 Speaker 22: and it's somewhere between. It's about eighty percent normally over time. 1698 01:33:06,895 --> 01:33:11,215 Speaker 22: But even the longer it stays with that moisture, the 1699 01:33:11,295 --> 01:33:14,055 Speaker 22: more likely you are to get mold. And the temperature 1700 01:33:14,095 --> 01:33:17,735 Speaker 22: doesn't matter. It's all about that moisture. 1701 01:33:18,975 --> 01:33:23,135 Speaker 5: Right, And the most efficient way of removing that moisture 1702 01:33:23,215 --> 01:33:25,295 Speaker 5: from our environment is through extraction. 1703 01:33:27,135 --> 01:33:30,735 Speaker 22: The most efficient way to get specific moisture, so range 1704 01:33:30,735 --> 01:33:33,375 Speaker 22: should for your cooking. It's a big grader. In our home. 1705 01:33:33,455 --> 01:33:35,655 Speaker 22: You must do about three liters a day. It's another 1706 01:33:35,735 --> 01:33:40,055 Speaker 22: Brands bit of Brands research there through cooking in your home, 1707 01:33:40,135 --> 01:33:42,135 Speaker 22: and you've got another one and a half liters the 1708 01:33:42,215 --> 01:33:46,455 Speaker 22: persons per shower. So as long as you've got those 1709 01:33:46,535 --> 01:33:50,375 Speaker 22: extractions and they're working, and I want to stress that 1710 01:33:50,655 --> 01:33:55,295 Speaker 22: they're working, then you should be removing the bulk of 1711 01:33:55,295 --> 01:33:58,495 Speaker 22: the moisture. But what's really interesting is our breathing actually 1712 01:33:58,535 --> 01:34:00,655 Speaker 22: creates a lot of moisture as well. We don't have 1713 01:34:00,695 --> 01:34:03,135 Speaker 22: an extraction fan following us around home, so I think 1714 01:34:03,175 --> 01:34:06,935 Speaker 22: three liters of from cooking, we actually get three liters 1715 01:34:06,935 --> 01:34:10,175 Speaker 22: of moisture just from breathing in your home, and yet 1716 01:34:10,175 --> 01:34:15,135 Speaker 22: we've got a fan specifically to remove the cooking moisture 1717 01:34:15,455 --> 01:34:20,455 Speaker 22: and nothing to remove what we're generating. So ventilation is 1718 01:34:20,575 --> 01:34:24,015 Speaker 22: really really critical because we've got to bring in that 1719 01:34:24,095 --> 01:34:28,335 Speaker 22: clean air which is at a lower humidity level, lower 1720 01:34:28,375 --> 01:34:32,415 Speaker 22: lower moisture level and remove the bad ear. And if 1721 01:34:32,415 --> 01:34:34,935 Speaker 22: we're not changing it over, it does stay trapped in 1722 01:34:34,975 --> 01:34:37,055 Speaker 22: our house with us, and in our new builds it 1723 01:34:37,055 --> 01:34:41,135 Speaker 22: stays trapped more because yes, air tightness is one thing, 1724 01:34:41,135 --> 01:34:43,655 Speaker 22: but air tightness is important for power savings as well. 1725 01:34:43,735 --> 01:34:48,695 Speaker 22: So I would wouldn't stop doing that. But also we 1726 01:34:48,775 --> 01:34:51,735 Speaker 22: have less windows, we have less opportunity to cross slow 1727 01:34:53,135 --> 01:34:55,255 Speaker 22: to a crossloads where air can move from one side, 1728 01:34:55,295 --> 01:34:58,695 Speaker 22: that pressure difference where wants to go down, air can 1729 01:34:58,695 --> 01:35:00,215 Speaker 22: move from one side of the house to the other. 1730 01:35:00,455 --> 01:35:02,935 Speaker 22: We shut our internal doors, so you've only got windows 1731 01:35:02,935 --> 01:35:07,255 Speaker 22: on one side. Anyway, it's noisy outside and without having 1732 01:35:07,295 --> 01:35:10,055 Speaker 22: their air movements through the house, that moisture builds up, 1733 01:35:10,055 --> 01:35:14,855 Speaker 22: particularly in corners with their movements, and you get your 1734 01:35:14,855 --> 01:35:15,455 Speaker 22: mold fnaing. 1735 01:35:15,975 --> 01:35:16,455 Speaker 7: Yeah. 1736 01:35:16,615 --> 01:35:18,535 Speaker 5: Right, we're going to talk a little bit about ventilation 1737 01:35:18,655 --> 01:35:21,895 Speaker 5: systems in a moment. My guest is Storm Harpham, and 1738 01:35:22,095 --> 01:35:24,975 Speaker 5: ventilation experts down the line will come back to you 1739 01:35:25,055 --> 01:35:28,575 Speaker 5: in just a moment. Get in your garden and shape 1740 01:35:28,695 --> 01:35:30,775 Speaker 5: this spring is easy with the right advice and the 1741 01:35:30,855 --> 01:35:33,455 Speaker 5: right equipment. 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And 1770 01:37:00,975 --> 01:37:03,535 Speaker 5: I guess what I find fascinating about the discussion over 1771 01:37:03,575 --> 01:37:05,855 Speaker 5: the last couple of years is something that we've assumed 1772 01:37:05,935 --> 01:37:08,335 Speaker 5: is kind of just happening all of the time, and 1773 01:37:08,375 --> 01:37:12,615 Speaker 5: it works because we're building differently, which is good. We 1774 01:37:12,735 --> 01:37:14,575 Speaker 5: now have to be a lot more active in the 1775 01:37:14,655 --> 01:37:18,895 Speaker 5: management of ventilation. I know you're active in terms of, 1776 01:37:19,135 --> 01:37:21,335 Speaker 5: you know, a sort of a lobby group, let's say, 1777 01:37:21,455 --> 01:37:25,055 Speaker 5: or an advocacy group for this. Where if someone wanted 1778 01:37:25,095 --> 01:37:29,775 Speaker 5: to start reading something that's digestible but evidence based around ventilation, 1779 01:37:29,815 --> 01:37:31,095 Speaker 5: where's a good place to start. 1780 01:37:31,975 --> 01:37:36,415 Speaker 22: Oh, that's a really good question. Without wanting to just 1781 01:37:36,735 --> 01:37:38,815 Speaker 22: kind of push you towards what we've done. We've got 1782 01:37:38,855 --> 01:37:41,495 Speaker 22: a few articles that we've published trying to go back 1783 01:37:41,535 --> 01:37:45,335 Speaker 22: to the basic So what is moisture, where is the 1784 01:37:45,415 --> 01:37:47,535 Speaker 22: humidity coming from? How do I control it in my home? 1785 01:37:47,855 --> 01:37:50,295 Speaker 22: What types of ventilation systems should I use? So we've 1786 01:37:50,335 --> 01:37:54,495 Speaker 22: got those on the blogs on smartvent website, but also 1787 01:37:54,975 --> 01:38:00,375 Speaker 22: Brands has some really really good resources on ventilation. There's 1788 01:38:00,455 --> 01:38:04,575 Speaker 22: some resources out from if you look at advice from 1789 01:38:05,415 --> 01:38:09,855 Speaker 22: the Building Council, they've got a design guide and actually 1790 01:38:09,895 --> 01:38:12,575 Speaker 22: there's some urban design guys as well for Auckland and 1791 01:38:12,575 --> 01:38:16,575 Speaker 22: other other parts of the country where they talk about ventilation, 1792 01:38:18,095 --> 01:38:20,455 Speaker 22: some of them will talk about windows and how to 1793 01:38:20,535 --> 01:38:24,615 Speaker 22: use windows. But we have t windows correctly, so really 1794 01:38:24,935 --> 01:38:26,975 Speaker 22: really look at what that means, because a lot of 1795 01:38:26,975 --> 01:38:30,535 Speaker 22: people go, oh, can't they just open the window? Well, yes, 1796 01:38:30,615 --> 01:38:32,575 Speaker 22: if you're there, to open it and you're going to 1797 01:38:32,655 --> 01:38:34,855 Speaker 22: get the right amount of flow and the winds right 1798 01:38:35,015 --> 01:38:38,455 Speaker 22: and the noise isn't too loud. Yes, So yeah, but 1799 01:38:38,615 --> 01:38:41,215 Speaker 22: online has some really great resources. 1800 01:38:41,775 --> 01:38:45,455 Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be fantastic. Storm. I really appreciate your time 1801 01:38:45,495 --> 01:38:48,935 Speaker 5: and your expertise, and we will because next time we 1802 01:38:49,095 --> 01:38:51,095 Speaker 5: get you on I think we'll open the lines for 1803 01:38:51,215 --> 01:38:54,735 Speaker 5: text questions and go through some of the stuff. And 1804 01:38:54,815 --> 01:38:58,935 Speaker 5: then also this whole issue around ventilation systems, because there's 1805 01:38:58,975 --> 01:39:01,175 Speaker 5: lots of them on the market. Now, which one's going 1806 01:39:01,255 --> 01:39:04,415 Speaker 5: to work best for you? What's negative pressure, what's balanced pressure, 1807 01:39:04,455 --> 01:39:07,375 Speaker 5: what's positive pressure? What does it all mean? We'll unpack 1808 01:39:07,455 --> 01:39:10,695 Speaker 5: that with Storm and our next conversation. Thank you very 1809 01:39:10,775 --> 01:39:14,175 Speaker 5: much for your time this morning, brilliant. Thanks, it's pleasure 1810 01:39:14,215 --> 01:39:16,695 Speaker 5: all the best, Storm Harp And like I say, a 1811 01:39:16,735 --> 01:39:20,415 Speaker 5: few actually LinkedIn had a couple of articles that Storm 1812 01:39:20,415 --> 01:39:22,775 Speaker 5: wrote which are very very good as well, that's where 1813 01:39:22,775 --> 01:39:25,655 Speaker 5: I first sort of started reading what she's been writing 1814 01:39:25,655 --> 01:39:28,495 Speaker 5: about ventilation, which is a big issue, and I think 1815 01:39:28,495 --> 01:39:30,575 Speaker 5: it's going to be all of the talk at the 1816 01:39:30,575 --> 01:39:35,015 Speaker 5: moment about New Zealand housing and houses overheating and houses sweeting, 1817 01:39:35,055 --> 01:39:37,295 Speaker 5: and all of these sorts of things all end up 1818 01:39:37,295 --> 01:39:40,615 Speaker 5: coming back or being linked into ventilation and what we 1819 01:39:40,695 --> 01:39:44,215 Speaker 5: do about good air quality inside our houses. So really 1820 01:39:44,255 --> 01:39:48,655 Speaker 5: looking forward to continuing the conversation, speaking about conversations. Let's 1821 01:39:48,695 --> 01:39:51,215 Speaker 5: get talking to a recline past and just a. 1822 01:39:51,175 --> 01:39:55,655 Speaker 1: Moment for more from the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp. 1823 01:39:55,775 --> 01:39:58,455 Speaker 1: Listen live to news talks that'd be on Sunday Mornings 1824 01:39:58,455 --> 01:40:01,335 Speaker 1: from Sex, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.