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Speaker 1: So the damage that COVID did, as we've said many, many,

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Speaker 1: many times on this program, is turning out to be

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Speaker 1: far greater than many imagined and Education new numbers last

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Speaker 1: year one point one in four twenty five percent of

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Speaker 1: course school leavers are left without Level three or university entrants.

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Speaker 1: Prior to COVID, those figures were in fact rives in

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Speaker 1: terms of achievement, but it's been downhill ever since. Education

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Speaker 1: Hub founder doctor Nina hoodsback with us. Nina, good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming this is a surprise to nobody in education.

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Speaker 2: No, I think a lot of us were anticipating something

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Speaker 2: similar to this happening.

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Speaker 1: So what is it? Is it behavior related? Is it

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Speaker 1: how they teach, what they teach? What's happened?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a whole combination of factors. One of

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Speaker 2: them is that during the COVID lockdowns, children were missing

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Speaker 2: out on a lot of schooling. They didn't have as

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Speaker 2: much teaching as they previously would have done, and the

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Speaker 2: result of that is that they didn't build all of

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Speaker 2: the foundational knowledge and skills that they needed. Those students

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Speaker 2: are now coming through and setting their Level two Level

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Speaker 2: three in the year exam and the result of that

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Speaker 2: lower level of teaching, not having so much time in

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Speaker 2: the classroom is having an impact. I think there are

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Speaker 2: probably a few other things going on as well. We

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Speaker 2: do have anecdotal data of students showing lower levels of motivation,

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Speaker 2: and of course we also know that there's a higher

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Speaker 2: proportion of young people leaving school before the age of seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Is there good news that if this is the COVID cohort,

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Speaker 1: then the non COVID cohort are either people who start

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Speaker 1: school after COVID no no different. In other words, the

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Speaker 1: back to normal schooling will be fine.

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Speaker 2: That would be an optimistic view. But if we think

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Speaker 2: about the impact of COVID, right that's going to have

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Speaker 2: that's long term, that's a decade to words, because you know,

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Speaker 2: we still have children who started school even at the

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Speaker 2: age of five, who didn't necessarily get all that foundational

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Speaker 2: teaching when they were in their first couple of years

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Speaker 2: at school. So there's still ground to make up for

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Speaker 2: those children as well coming through the system.

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Speaker 1: Are we outlies in the Western the oecd world? Is

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Speaker 1: everybody doing the same thing or are we different?

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Speaker 2: We're not different. So there's definitely evidence coming out from

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Speaker 2: countries such as America from England that are showing very

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Speaker 2: similar statistics as well of this decline in academic achievement.

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Speaker 1: See because here's the problem. When you leave at seventeen

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Speaker 1: and you haven't got level three and you haven't got

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Speaker 1: university entrance and you're stumbling and bumbling around in life,

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Speaker 1: that's you done. Sure to have you waking up one

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Speaker 1: day and going, well, I'll go train as something rather

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Speaker 1: than what happens to you nothing. I mean, now, I's

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Speaker 1: going to fix it the systems. I mean, you're out

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Speaker 1: of the system. It's gone. You got, aren't you? You

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Speaker 1: aren't in your own you are.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of the reasons why we need to

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Speaker 2: make sure that we get what techno in school's absolutely right,

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Speaker 2: because you know, once children do press out of young

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Speaker 2: people progress out of the school system, we have far

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Speaker 2: fewer leavers to be able to pull in order to

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Speaker 2: be up to bring them back into education, back into training.

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Speaker 2: So we really need to make sure that we're getting

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Speaker 2: it right before they leave school.

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Speaker 1: Right nine. Appreciate your time as always, Doctor Ninahood, the

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