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Speaker 1: In trouble in the old school yard. We've got some

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Speaker 1: new numbers out this morning. What do we make of them?

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Speaker 1: Five hundred and twenty six kids were caught bringing weapons

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Speaker 1: to school last year, which is eighty percent up on

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. So twenty eighteen so seven years. Three hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy five of these kids were stood down, forty

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Speaker 1: were excluded from school. Louise Honor is the principal of

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Speaker 1: Kantai College, also the president of the Secondary Principal's Association.

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Speaker 1: Louise Morning, Good Morning, Way. So there's two hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty one high schools in this country according to chat GPT,

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Speaker 1: So you've got five hundred and twenty six kids in

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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty one schools. Would most schools have

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Speaker 1: seen an incident of a weapon in some way, shape

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Speaker 1: or form. Do you think.

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Speaker 2: It's really difficult to know. It's difficult to know. That's

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Speaker 2: from the data as well. I can speak from my

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Speaker 2: own experience, Like over the thirty years in education, I've

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Speaker 2: come across a few situations when a child has brought

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Speaker 2: a weapon into school. There hasn't been intent to use it.

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Speaker 2: You know, my hunches is there, it's more about possession

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Speaker 2: of rather than attempted use. But we just don't notice

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Speaker 2: from the data, mate, do we.

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Speaker 1: Have basic what's a weapon? I mean as a sticker

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Speaker 1: weapon versus a BB gun, versus a knife, all of

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Speaker 1: the above.

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Speaker 2: So really it's about if it's just if it's been

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Speaker 2: used to cause harm, and it could be a range

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Speaker 2: of things, but again I would think it would be

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Speaker 2: more around the ones that you've just mentioned.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask, is it I mean the

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Speaker 1: way that schools deal with it. If a kid brings

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Speaker 1: a BB gun and go, oh, look, it's my birthday.

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Speaker 1: I brought my BB gun, It's like, is that even

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Speaker 1: a thing? It's like the kids bringing his birthday present.

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Speaker 1: I brought it. I took a knife Louise to school

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, right because my grandparents gave

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Speaker 1: me a knife and I took it to school. Guys

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Speaker 1: did look of a knife? I wasn't going to do

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Speaker 1: anything with it. But it's like, you know, has anything

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Speaker 1: changed exactly?

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what we're talking about here. We

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Speaker 2: really need to get more detailed to make sense of

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Speaker 2: the data. But in my experience that the situations I've

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Speaker 2: come across, it's been situations like that, he hasn't been intent,

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Speaker 2: but I've still taken it really seriously in those contexts

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Speaker 2: because it's important to get there's the message out that

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Speaker 2: that can cause harm and to take a real strong

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Speaker 2: stance on it just because of the risk involved. There

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Speaker 2: is an intent, but in the worst case scenario, it

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Speaker 2: can cause serious harm to it to our young people.

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Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you, Louise go well Louise Anau,

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Speaker 1: who is the Union principle, but also she works at

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Speaker 1: Kaitai at the Union head and works at Kai Tai College.

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