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Speaker 2: Welcome into Rugby Direct to the podcast in just a second,

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Speaker 3: Welcome into Rugby Direct.

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Speaker 2: Talor By foot Solutions lifting you and your business to

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Speaker 2: Over here, Elligant Fifth and Liam Apier big episode of

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Speaker 2: Rugby Direct coming up for an interview with Mark Robinson,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby Chief Executive.

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Speaker 3: So I hope you'll.

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Speaker 2: Stick around for that, both with them a few hours

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Speaker 2: ago around a number of New Zealand rugby issues, including

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Speaker 2: the decision to endorse Print Robinson as World Rugby Chair.

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Speaker 2: I still will have that at the end of the

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Speaker 2: podcast to David Liam welcome and look, the Wellington Lyons

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Speaker 2: are at top of the pops in the NPC there.

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Speaker 4: Indeed, Elliott, big week for yourself and Rugby Directs. But

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Speaker 4: I do have an apology to make first up, because

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Speaker 4: I've been touting the fact that the lines are going

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Speaker 4: to go back to back all year and clearly how

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Speaker 4: I have offended out tuner lucky Brethren because of course

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Speaker 4: they won the MPC last year and we happened to

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Speaker 4: largely miss that competition being in France for the World Cup.

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Speaker 5: But two titles in three years.

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Speaker 4: Very pleased to welcome you aboard the Lions train, so

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Speaker 4: congratulations to you.

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Speaker 2: Very happy, Yeah, delighted, delighted to win for season and charge.

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Speaker 3: That's the kind of.

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Speaker 2: Expect that I bring as a hand a Crusader fan.

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Speaker 2: So you are very very welcome to that an ancient fan.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into the MPCs shortly, but first and foremost

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Speaker 2: ill Black against Japan. This is a weird old game,

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Speaker 2: and your respects. I thought Bill Blacks at one point

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Speaker 2: and sloppy eerrors. It's a really really hard game to

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Speaker 3: What did you make it that perm.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a bit all over the show, wasn't it?

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Speaker 4: The All Blacks cracked the fifty points after forty four minutes,

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Speaker 4: played with real pace, skill offloading, and had it all

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Speaker 4: their own way. Some really second rate defending from Japan,

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Speaker 5: So some major question marks.

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Speaker 4: I think about where Japan are at in that department overall.

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Speaker 4: And then for a number of different reasons. The All

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Speaker 5: So it left a bit of a sense of frustration.

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Speaker 4: Bill Blacks probably could have would have should have gone

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Speaker 5: It was very much a second string All Blacks team,

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Speaker 2: It was a second string team And the fact I've

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Speaker 3: Last week.

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Speaker 2: It was relatively I guess standout performance from an All

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Speaker 2: this week against England, but you know Billy Proctor is

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Speaker 3: But I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: There were too many other players that really hammered down

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Speaker 4: I think Patrick Twopolotu lead really well carrying lineouts his

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Speaker 4: Lea outplayed Sevie Reese, but the fact that Sevie was

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there were any other compelling performances that

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Speaker 4: tt was a revelation again from number eight, but you

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Speaker 4: do feel that the All Blacks are largely set on

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Speaker 4: given how the lack of impact from Japan and particularly

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Speaker 5: What about Japan before we.

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Speaker 4: Go back to the All Blacks, Elliot, they have rarely

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Speaker 5: I think it was in Tokyo. I think there are

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Speaker 4: Isn't that in this team under any Jones that's played

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Speaker 4: Japan for test rugby.

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Speaker 2: Well it's hard to make that argument because I thought

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Speaker 2: If I understand it, or the matches up here in

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Speaker 2: glorious team from twenty fifteen and a lot of players

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Speaker 2: So I think there's a little bit of growing pains

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, and I think while the top league is.

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Speaker 4: A a very desirable destination for foreigners, it's clearly one

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Speaker 4: top rugby players out there, it's not necessarily developing Japanese

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Speaker 4: Anitie Jones has a lot of work with that team.

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Speaker 5: That starting jersey.

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Speaker 4: And for me earlier I thought it was a largely

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Speaker 4: underwhelming performance from McKenzie. He made a couple of try

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Speaker 4: but there were a lot of errors, a lot of

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Speaker 4: that he needed to say, I'm going to stand my

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Speaker 4: think if we weren't sure that Boden was going back

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Speaker 5: I think we probably are now, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I say so. Look he was I thought underwhelming is

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Speaker 2: one occasion and we're playing on counter attack and picked

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Speaker 2: the ball out in the full. It was just not

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Speaker 2: the kind of performing the Damien McKenzie needed trying stampers

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Speaker 3: In Jersey for this end if he had to it.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing is whether they now go Boden Barrett

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Speaker 2: you can start all three of the big death matches

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Speaker 2: did think that Damien McKinley just think quite have the

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Speaker 5: It was a very fitting final.

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Speaker 2: It has indeed year I want to get stuck into

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Speaker 1: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fans.

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Speaker 2: Every try, try and sixty six, every tackle tackles, get

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Speaker 2: You are backwards Rugby Direct on our for final four

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Speaker 2: four Rugby topics that Leam I gets stuck into. You've

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Speaker 2: Andre Renaldo. Look I guess Liam Mark Robinson later in

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Speaker 4: It is indeed all let because you know World Rugby

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Speaker 5: Times.

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Speaker 4: The World Cup was supposed to go to South Africa

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Speaker 4: No great surprise that Miss Zellan's endorsed Brett Robertson, but

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Speaker 3: I think highly highly effect.

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Speaker 2: They just need to look into any commentary on the

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Speaker 5: I think it's a matter of time, Elliott.

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Speaker 4: are more progressive than others, but some of them certainly

440
00:24:47,733 --> 00:24:52,373
Speaker 4: have some some elements of their culture that don't sit

441
00:24:52,413 --> 00:24:57,133
Speaker 4: well with you know, where we live in terms of

442
00:24:57,453 --> 00:25:02,133
Speaker 4: how they treat women and human rights issues. So I

443
00:25:02,173 --> 00:25:06,013
Speaker 4: think if, when, if, when that day does come, New

444
00:25:06,093 --> 00:25:09,613
Speaker 4: Zealand rugby will have to a bit of criticism and

445
00:25:10,813 --> 00:25:13,773
Speaker 4: face up to the fact that there are some uncomfortable

446
00:25:13,853 --> 00:25:15,533
Speaker 4: truths in some of those nations as well.

447
00:25:16,333 --> 00:25:21,373
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think the battle against sports washing has been lost.

448
00:25:22,253 --> 00:25:24,733
Speaker 2: It's over, it's been dumb, it's been over a flat

449
00:25:24,773 --> 00:25:29,613
Speaker 2: some time, and it's for me. It's not ca'se a

450
00:25:29,693 --> 00:25:33,973
Speaker 2: Rugby being left behind necessarily, but I just don't see

451
00:25:34,013 --> 00:25:39,653
Speaker 2: the value in rugby really making moral stands. Almost feels

452
00:25:39,693 --> 00:25:41,493
Speaker 2: like if you can't beat them and join them scenario.

453
00:25:43,213 --> 00:25:46,213
Speaker 2: Ever else is getting on board it Feldhill for rugby

454
00:25:47,373 --> 00:25:50,973
Speaker 2: there would be major issue. Daddi Arabia for example, you

455
00:25:51,013 --> 00:25:52,813
Speaker 2: know the black Beriens certainly ain't going to go play

456
00:25:52,813 --> 00:25:54,933
Speaker 2: in Daudi Arabia. You wouldn't have thought, and they played

457
00:25:54,933 --> 00:25:58,373
Speaker 2: golf and lyddy Cos played in Daddi Arabia before. But

458
00:25:58,453 --> 00:26:00,813
Speaker 2: I suspect that the black Beans won't be getting there

459
00:26:01,413 --> 00:26:04,693
Speaker 2: anytime soon. But I just feel that the battles kind

460
00:26:04,733 --> 00:26:07,813
Speaker 2: of been lost. And we can harp on about sports washing,

461
00:26:07,853 --> 00:26:11,573
Speaker 2: but the reality of toward it like the way that

462
00:26:11,653 --> 00:26:15,093
Speaker 2: things have gone, and that might sound pessimistic, but and go, well,

463
00:26:15,133 --> 00:26:17,493
Speaker 2: what's the point in anything? But to me it feels

464
00:26:17,533 --> 00:26:20,573
Speaker 2: like the indevidsibility and it will happen at some point,

465
00:26:20,613 --> 00:26:24,893
Speaker 2: doesn't step in the next decade. Talking number three, let's

466
00:26:24,973 --> 00:26:29,013
Speaker 2: circle back to the NPC. As you said a few

467
00:26:30,133 --> 00:26:33,293
Speaker 2: I think can you figure on why and how do

468
00:26:33,293 --> 00:26:36,093
Speaker 2: you think that will affect the end our path where

469
00:26:36,133 --> 00:26:38,613
Speaker 2: review is due to land and you to be communicated

470
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Speaker 2: to the province of any day.

471
00:26:39,773 --> 00:26:44,253
Speaker 4: Now, I think first and foremost, the on field product

472
00:26:44,333 --> 00:26:48,773
Speaker 4: has been exceptional, and that's due to rule changes. Progressive

473
00:26:48,813 --> 00:26:52,373
Speaker 4: rule changes around designed to speed up the game, whether

474
00:26:52,413 --> 00:26:56,093
Speaker 4: it be shot clocks of scrums and lineouts and the

475
00:26:56,133 --> 00:26:59,853
Speaker 4: ball at the base of the ruck, conversions just the

476
00:26:59,933 --> 00:27:03,173
Speaker 4: general intent to minimize stoppages, play the game at pace,

477
00:27:03,973 --> 00:27:07,653
Speaker 4: and I think your real willingness to embrace attacking intent

478
00:27:07,773 --> 00:27:12,093
Speaker 4: from coaches and players. The quality of the competition, the

479
00:27:12,173 --> 00:27:16,413
Speaker 4: competitiveness across the boards, it really has been a revelation

480
00:27:16,533 --> 00:27:19,893
Speaker 4: this year. And I think also a factor in that

481
00:27:19,973 --> 00:27:24,213
Speaker 4: has been the realization of the context of this competition

482
00:27:24,293 --> 00:27:25,813
Speaker 4: and where it sets of fans.

483
00:27:25,453 --> 00:27:27,213
Speaker 5: And the need to go back to smaller venues.

484
00:27:27,293 --> 00:27:30,933
Speaker 4: You look at Plenty success and going to the Totonga

485
00:27:30,973 --> 00:27:33,733
Speaker 4: domain selling that out a couple of times this year,

486
00:27:34,293 --> 00:27:38,853
Speaker 4: even Wellington trying to go to potidor Auckland going to

487
00:27:38,973 --> 00:27:42,653
Speaker 4: Auckland Grammar. I think the Stags had you know, seven

488
00:27:42,653 --> 00:27:46,773
Speaker 4: odd thousand that's Stag Day and their local rivalry with Otago.

489
00:27:46,893 --> 00:27:51,053
Speaker 5: So but those local rivalries are real.

490
00:27:51,533 --> 00:27:54,653
Speaker 4: They're basically the lifeblood, aren't they the of the competition

491
00:27:54,733 --> 00:27:56,213
Speaker 4: and the Heartland Championship as well.

492
00:27:56,213 --> 00:27:59,133
Speaker 5: I think the final of that between teams Valley and

493
00:27:59,813 --> 00:28:01,133
Speaker 5: was a mid canry.

494
00:28:02,373 --> 00:28:05,373
Speaker 4: Had you know, six odd thousand supporters in a town

495
00:28:05,453 --> 00:28:09,173
Speaker 4: of five thousand people. So right throughout the levels of

496
00:28:09,213 --> 00:28:15,333
Speaker 4: rugby fans of flocking back and I think crowds and

497
00:28:15,453 --> 00:28:18,333
Speaker 4: viewership we're both up this year, so really positive signs.

498
00:28:18,893 --> 00:28:21,693
Speaker 4: In terms of the Pathway review, I don't see it

499
00:28:21,733 --> 00:28:24,213
Speaker 4: having a major impact and I think that will create

500
00:28:24,213 --> 00:28:25,853
Speaker 4: a bit of a backlash. I think there is a

501
00:28:25,933 --> 00:28:30,493
Speaker 4: need to streamline some of the duplication with academies that

502
00:28:30,533 --> 00:28:32,653
Speaker 4: we've got throughout New Zealand, but.

503
00:28:33,653 --> 00:28:35,933
Speaker 5: There's all sorts of spin offs that come with that.

504
00:28:36,573 --> 00:28:40,453
Speaker 4: Do you want all New Zealand Rugby's talent congregating in

505
00:28:40,493 --> 00:28:44,733
Speaker 4: the big city centers in the Super Rugby bases? How

506
00:28:44,773 --> 00:28:48,733
Speaker 4: does that affect the grassroots game and the provincial sensors.

507
00:28:49,373 --> 00:28:53,773
Speaker 4: So every decision has unintended consequences, doesn't it.

508
00:28:53,893 --> 00:28:56,493
Speaker 5: So Super Raby wants one thing, the.

509
00:28:56,453 --> 00:28:59,133
Speaker 4: Province is one another, and it's not an easy thing

510
00:28:59,253 --> 00:29:00,693
Speaker 4: to sort out.

511
00:29:01,333 --> 00:29:03,253
Speaker 3: No, it's not, And I'm not sure it would have

512
00:29:03,333 --> 00:29:04,533
Speaker 3: picked the Pathways review at all.

513
00:29:04,573 --> 00:29:08,013
Speaker 2: I think I mean too late for that, But I

514
00:29:08,053 --> 00:29:13,893
Speaker 2: think there are definitely some streamlining that could be happening

515
00:29:14,053 --> 00:29:16,853
Speaker 2: in some of the academy is not saying all they should.

516
00:29:16,613 --> 00:29:20,013
Speaker 3: Be funneled into Super Rugby Academy, but there.

517
00:29:19,853 --> 00:29:23,653
Speaker 2: Could be some further steps there around that that you

518
00:29:23,653 --> 00:29:27,773
Speaker 2: know could be taken away and put into streamline focus

519
00:29:27,893 --> 00:29:32,493
Speaker 2: rather than the sort of two step approach that is

520
00:29:32,493 --> 00:29:35,053
Speaker 2: there at the moment. So I think they can that

521
00:29:35,133 --> 00:29:39,093
Speaker 2: can certainly be tweaked, but I don't think there's too

522
00:29:39,173 --> 00:29:41,613
Speaker 2: much else that'll be taken out of this year's NBC.

523
00:29:41,893 --> 00:29:45,373
Speaker 3: On that topic, then what does the perfect NBC format

524
00:29:45,413 --> 00:29:47,133
Speaker 3: look like? The here have we got it at the moment?

525
00:29:48,693 --> 00:29:49,333
Speaker 5: I think we do.

526
00:29:49,453 --> 00:29:53,693
Speaker 4: I think going back to one division has been a success.

527
00:29:53,813 --> 00:29:58,413
Speaker 4: Everyone playing everyone and the competitiveness largely across the board.

528
00:29:58,453 --> 00:30:01,373
Speaker 4: I think, you know, man or two struggled a bit

529
00:30:01,453 --> 00:30:05,653
Speaker 4: this year, but they were still reasonably competitive by plenty

530
00:30:05,653 --> 00:30:08,613
Speaker 4: of making the final for the first time, Auckland having

531
00:30:08,613 --> 00:30:12,413
Speaker 4: a poor season and being tipped up, you know, Canterbury

532
00:30:12,453 --> 00:30:16,373
Speaker 4: struggling early and coming back late. That there was just

533
00:30:16,653 --> 00:30:20,373
Speaker 4: the competitiveness across the board I think sets the benchmark

534
00:30:20,413 --> 00:30:23,133
Speaker 4: for any competition. You want to turn up each week,

535
00:30:23,293 --> 00:30:25,573
Speaker 4: each game and not know who's going to win.

536
00:30:25,693 --> 00:30:29,893
Speaker 5: So I think the just the distribution of talents.

537
00:30:30,533 --> 00:30:34,173
Speaker 4: I think provinces are largely working out that that they

538
00:30:34,213 --> 00:30:37,493
Speaker 4: need to go local and bring in, you know, promote

539
00:30:37,493 --> 00:30:40,493
Speaker 4: from within. We've seen a bit of an influx of

540
00:30:40,773 --> 00:30:44,893
Speaker 4: Australian talent. Tane Edmund was a real success for North

541
00:30:44,933 --> 00:30:47,893
Speaker 4: Harbor and there were a couple of other examples as well,

542
00:30:47,973 --> 00:30:55,013
Speaker 4: so I think certainly in some hemisphere capacity that competition

543
00:30:55,093 --> 00:30:59,813
Speaker 4: is envy of Australia that love the equivalent. Obviously South

544
00:30:59,813 --> 00:31:02,493
Speaker 4: Africa is the Curry Cup, which is a great breeding

545
00:31:02,573 --> 00:31:05,973
Speaker 4: gap ground for them. But I think the format worked

546
00:31:05,973 --> 00:31:07,933
Speaker 4: really well this year, and I think the n PC

547
00:31:08,213 --> 00:31:12,333
Speaker 4: is as remains a really critical pathway to promote, you know,

548
00:31:12,413 --> 00:31:14,053
Speaker 4: the next generation of New Zealand talent.

549
00:31:14,813 --> 00:31:16,893
Speaker 2: I do think this possibility could bend off a couple

550
00:31:16,893 --> 00:31:20,973
Speaker 2: of teams from the First Division or the MBC and

551
00:31:21,573 --> 00:31:25,013
Speaker 2: then go into a promotion relegation scenario.

552
00:31:25,053 --> 00:31:25,733
Speaker 3: I can remember the.

553
00:31:27,373 --> 00:31:30,173
Speaker 2: A Young Slash old enough to remember teenh Country and

554
00:31:30,413 --> 00:31:33,853
Speaker 2: the Top Light in the mid nineteen nineties. I'd love

555
00:31:33,893 --> 00:31:36,013
Speaker 2: to get promotion relegation put of back in it and

556
00:31:36,653 --> 00:31:40,213
Speaker 2: go back to say a ten team First Division then

557
00:31:40,293 --> 00:31:41,893
Speaker 2: split off around that.

558
00:31:42,813 --> 00:31:44,653
Speaker 3: I don't know that it will ever happen, but I

559
00:31:44,853 --> 00:31:47,933
Speaker 3: would love to see promotion relegation back in the mix.

560
00:31:50,733 --> 00:31:51,813
Speaker 5: Central Viking xerition.

561
00:31:52,693 --> 00:31:54,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think there is at a time the

562
00:31:54,813 --> 00:31:57,093
Speaker 2: drums are beating. It didn't work first time around, but

563
00:31:57,533 --> 00:32:00,573
Speaker 2: any good ideas that we're explored for the second time

564
00:32:00,653 --> 00:32:05,053
Speaker 2: and those orange and blue jerseys were you know, something

565
00:32:05,053 --> 00:32:07,053
Speaker 2: to behold. So if we can see that back then

566
00:32:08,213 --> 00:32:11,333
Speaker 2: I think it's happy days ahead. Hey, let's move on

567
00:32:11,373 --> 00:32:14,733
Speaker 2: there to my chat with Mark Robinson. Sat down with

568
00:32:14,813 --> 00:32:19,293
Speaker 2: them at a cafe in Kensington Euly Gert today Monday

569
00:32:19,493 --> 00:32:23,053
Speaker 2: here in London about a whole range of rugby issue

570
00:32:23,613 --> 00:32:28,133
Speaker 2: including their endorsement of Robinson as the World Rugby Chair

571
00:32:28,253 --> 00:32:29,253
Speaker 2: head of that boat next month.

572
00:32:29,333 --> 00:32:30,413
Speaker 3: Let's take a listening to that.

573
00:32:30,573 --> 00:32:33,413
Speaker 2: Ended up Chief executive Mark Robinson. Good to be sitting

574
00:32:33,893 --> 00:32:35,893
Speaker 2: it's a rainy or day in London, but be good

575
00:32:35,893 --> 00:32:39,373
Speaker 2: to catch up in Kensington and.

576
00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:40,293
Speaker 6: A test week in London's always prettypecial, isn't it.

577
00:32:41,093 --> 00:32:42,933
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's pretty cool to be back in this part

578
00:32:42,933 --> 00:32:45,213
Speaker 7: of the world, isn't it. There's definitely a lot of

579
00:32:45,293 --> 00:32:49,653
Speaker 7: hype around the whole autumn series which has built up

580
00:32:49,653 --> 00:32:53,213
Speaker 7: these amazing fixtures. I guess we're a little bit ahead

581
00:32:53,253 --> 00:32:56,093
Speaker 7: of the rest of them with this game just outside

582
00:32:56,093 --> 00:32:57,933
Speaker 7: the Red nine window, but there's a huge amount of

583
00:32:58,333 --> 00:33:02,373
Speaker 7: excitement building. Feels like a lot of hype from expect Kiwis,

584
00:33:02,413 --> 00:33:05,853
Speaker 7: and we know the English are certainly wanting to know

585
00:33:05,853 --> 00:33:07,973
Speaker 7: in their own lines, right what happened in July with

586
00:33:08,013 --> 00:33:09,413
Speaker 7: a couple of close games there, So you got to

587
00:33:09,453 --> 00:33:09,893
Speaker 7: be a big.

588
00:33:09,733 --> 00:33:12,973
Speaker 2: Week It's been a big weekend as well. Japan, let's

589
00:33:12,973 --> 00:33:15,733
Speaker 2: start there. It's an important market to the New Zealand rugby.

590
00:33:15,813 --> 00:33:17,853
Speaker 2: What do you get out of these test matches I

591
00:33:17,853 --> 00:33:19,933
Speaker 2: suppose going up to Japan playing the All Blacks, but

592
00:33:19,973 --> 00:33:22,253
Speaker 2: also when the Maldi All Blacks go up All Black

593
00:33:22,293 --> 00:33:24,293
Speaker 2: swifteen what are the vital things you get out of

594
00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:25,213
Speaker 2: these Japane trips.

595
00:33:25,453 --> 00:33:28,613
Speaker 7: Well, the basis for the memory of understanding we signed

596
00:33:28,613 --> 00:33:32,293
Speaker 7: at the start last year was to make sure we

597
00:33:32,333 --> 00:33:35,573
Speaker 7: had more regular contact in that market. So historically we'd

598
00:33:35,613 --> 00:33:39,213
Speaker 7: gone out once in every four or five years look

599
00:33:39,293 --> 00:33:42,293
Speaker 7: to have a sort of strong commercial outcome from a

600
00:33:42,293 --> 00:33:46,253
Speaker 7: one off event, but it wasn't really allowing us to

601
00:33:46,253 --> 00:33:48,693
Speaker 7: build good partnerships and long term connections with the fans.

602
00:33:48,733 --> 00:33:51,813
Speaker 7: So as I'm sure people will see over the last

603
00:33:52,453 --> 00:33:56,293
Speaker 7: two years, we've been up there a lot in July

604
00:33:56,653 --> 00:34:01,733
Speaker 7: and October and even with Super Rugby preseason games last year,

605
00:34:01,813 --> 00:34:05,413
Speaker 7: so all of that just builds more continuity, more relationships

606
00:34:05,453 --> 00:34:09,013
Speaker 7: with existing partners where we have quite a on portfolio

607
00:34:09,013 --> 00:34:13,173
Speaker 7: of commercial partners now and prospects as well as the fans.

608
00:34:13,213 --> 00:34:14,773
Speaker 7: And you know, I think you would have seen through

609
00:34:14,813 --> 00:34:16,693
Speaker 7: the week just the way the Japanese fans are connecting

610
00:34:16,693 --> 00:34:18,173
Speaker 7: with our teams is fantastic.

611
00:34:18,253 --> 00:34:20,333
Speaker 8: So look, it's it's been a really.

612
00:34:20,973 --> 00:34:23,853
Speaker 7: Really successful first sort of eighty months to two years

613
00:34:23,853 --> 00:34:28,253
Speaker 7: in this and certainly the weekend and the week of

614
00:34:28,293 --> 00:34:29,853
Speaker 7: the match allowed us to build on that with.

615
00:34:31,733 --> 00:34:32,893
Speaker 8: Any at a welcoming event.

616
00:34:32,933 --> 00:34:35,693
Speaker 7: We had a whole range of meetings with existing partners,

617
00:34:35,773 --> 00:34:39,053
Speaker 7: new prospects as well as Jay are a few about

618
00:34:41,053 --> 00:34:43,213
Speaker 7: not only our EMOU but works such as the Nation's

619
00:34:43,213 --> 00:34:45,093
Speaker 7: Cup and things that are happening at World Rugby as well.

620
00:34:45,173 --> 00:34:46,733
Speaker 8: So or in all a really productive time.

621
00:34:47,413 --> 00:34:49,453
Speaker 2: While that was happening with just before combination of a

622
00:34:49,573 --> 00:34:52,613
Speaker 2: big NPC season at which it seemed that interest levels

623
00:34:52,613 --> 00:34:56,893
Speaker 2: had increased, I guess it was as pretty ange and

624
00:34:56,893 --> 00:34:57,413
Speaker 2: bad plenty.

625
00:34:57,453 --> 00:34:58,813
Speaker 6: There was some upsets along the way. What do you

626
00:34:58,813 --> 00:34:59,093
Speaker 6: make of the.

627
00:34:59,133 --> 00:35:02,093
Speaker 2: NBC season and the context of I guess we're news

628
00:35:02,213 --> 00:35:03,253
Speaker 2: on rugby season at the moment.

629
00:35:03,773 --> 00:35:07,053
Speaker 7: Well, we've always been massive supporters of the competition, but

630
00:35:07,093 --> 00:35:08,973
Speaker 7: we've also been really clear that, you know, we need

631
00:35:09,013 --> 00:35:11,613
Speaker 7: to make it work, like a lot of things in rugby,

632
00:35:11,653 --> 00:35:15,933
Speaker 7: within a financial envelope. So yeah, all the great things

633
00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:19,013
Speaker 7: we've seen in the competition over the years, the history,

634
00:35:19,093 --> 00:35:22,613
Speaker 7: the connection to community, the provincial rivalries, and the emerging

635
00:35:22,653 --> 00:35:25,733
Speaker 7: talent and the great stories of an unearthing.

636
00:35:25,413 --> 00:35:28,493
Speaker 5: Future stars were all there to see.

637
00:35:28,533 --> 00:35:31,453
Speaker 7: But as you say, some really nice sort of competitive

638
00:35:31,493 --> 00:35:36,173
Speaker 7: tension around uncertainty of results, which she helped give the competition

639
00:35:36,253 --> 00:35:39,653
Speaker 7: a lot of new impetus, I guess, especially since the

640
00:35:39,693 --> 00:35:41,253
Speaker 7: start in the middle stage, it felt like there was

641
00:35:41,333 --> 00:35:43,213
Speaker 7: lots of things happening every weekend, there were sort of

642
00:35:43,453 --> 00:35:46,653
Speaker 7: you know, some upset results, which was fantastic, and then

643
00:35:46,653 --> 00:35:48,813
Speaker 7: into the playoffs we saw some really high quality rugby.

644
00:35:48,853 --> 00:35:54,053
Speaker 7: I think from what we've seen, certainly the attendances and

645
00:35:54,573 --> 00:35:57,173
Speaker 7: the social media footprint's been really really.

646
00:35:56,973 --> 00:36:00,173
Speaker 8: Positive, and I think the style.

647
00:35:59,933 --> 00:36:02,173
Speaker 7: Of rugby built on what we saw in Super Rugby Pacific,

648
00:36:02,253 --> 00:36:06,733
Speaker 7: where again we had record viewership and social media footprint

649
00:36:07,093 --> 00:36:09,093
Speaker 7: and just a whole lot of positives entiment around the

650
00:36:09,173 --> 00:36:12,333
Speaker 7: laws we've been leading globally, I guess, and the shape

651
00:36:12,333 --> 00:36:16,093
Speaker 7: of the game and just how expensive and and sort

652
00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:18,813
Speaker 7: of free flowing the games have been so overalllready positive.

653
00:36:19,013 --> 00:36:21,573
Speaker 2: Where does that lean into with the pathways work that

654
00:36:21,653 --> 00:36:25,253
Speaker 2: is ongoing around the game in New Zealand. Does the

655
00:36:25,333 --> 00:36:29,853
Speaker 2: NPC that we've just seen help provide some data around

656
00:36:29,893 --> 00:36:31,493
Speaker 2: where this competition needs to go?

657
00:36:32,253 --> 00:36:35,333
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that works. I think has been really clear.

658
00:36:35,333 --> 00:36:36,853
Speaker 7: It's coming to a close now and we're going out

659
00:36:36,853 --> 00:36:39,053
Speaker 7: to share that with stakeholders in the.

660
00:36:38,973 --> 00:36:41,933
Speaker 8: Next week or two.

661
00:36:43,333 --> 00:36:46,533
Speaker 7: I mean it does validate, you know, the importance of

662
00:36:46,573 --> 00:36:49,173
Speaker 7: the competition. But as I say, we've always recognized it's

663
00:36:49,173 --> 00:36:51,613
Speaker 7: got an important place in New Zealand right be. It's

664
00:36:51,613 --> 00:36:54,613
Speaker 7: just how we make that fit within all the other

665
00:36:54,653 --> 00:36:58,013
Speaker 7: pathways and competitions we're doing. And so we're looking forward

666
00:36:58,053 --> 00:37:01,293
Speaker 7: to sitting down showing an update of the reports in

667
00:37:01,413 --> 00:37:04,813
Speaker 7: the near future, and then sitting down in December with

668
00:37:04,853 --> 00:37:07,413
Speaker 7: all the stakeholders again and mapping out a work plan

669
00:37:07,453 --> 00:37:10,373
Speaker 7: for twenty twenty five to how we work through this

670
00:37:10,453 --> 00:37:12,813
Speaker 7: sort of this reset work that we're looking to from

671
00:37:12,853 --> 00:37:14,613
Speaker 7: the end of twenty five Star to twenty six, where

672
00:37:14,613 --> 00:37:16,693
Speaker 7: we hope to put everything together and come up with

673
00:37:16,733 --> 00:37:19,093
Speaker 7: a more financially sustainable model.

674
00:37:19,413 --> 00:37:21,213
Speaker 2: I can't say too much, but is it a dramatic

675
00:37:21,253 --> 00:37:22,813
Speaker 2: reset you're looking at at this point in time?

676
00:37:22,893 --> 00:37:25,333
Speaker 7: Oh, look at this is really good for the work

677
00:37:25,373 --> 00:37:28,213
Speaker 7: to go and get in front of the stakeholders first

678
00:37:28,253 --> 00:37:31,333
Speaker 7: and foremost, and we want to be able to share

679
00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:33,613
Speaker 7: it with them. They are independent reports, so you know

680
00:37:33,653 --> 00:37:35,133
Speaker 7: we're not going to be saying too much more about

681
00:37:35,133 --> 00:37:37,933
Speaker 7: them other than just sharing initially and gaining some initial

682
00:37:37,973 --> 00:37:41,013
Speaker 7: feedback and views and providing some clarifications to question. So

683
00:37:41,493 --> 00:37:43,413
Speaker 7: that's what the next steps about. Would be unfair to

684
00:37:43,413 --> 00:37:44,453
Speaker 7: talk about it any more than that.

685
00:37:44,613 --> 00:37:46,373
Speaker 2: The stage's been a couple of weeks coming up for

686
00:37:46,453 --> 00:37:49,493
Speaker 2: rugby or Wild's context. As this podcast goes up, you've

687
00:37:49,533 --> 00:37:52,613
Speaker 2: just announced the NZR is backing Brett Robinson, the Australian

688
00:37:52,893 --> 00:37:56,053
Speaker 2: for World Rugby chare ahead of the other two candidates.

689
00:37:56,093 --> 00:37:58,493
Speaker 6: Why Brett Robinson? Why is either the News on Rugby choice?

690
00:37:59,453 --> 00:38:02,893
Speaker 7: Well, I guess we've been considering this decision now for

691
00:38:03,213 --> 00:38:06,533
Speaker 7: the last two to three months, and certainly our start

692
00:38:06,533 --> 00:38:10,653
Speaker 7: point wasn't to focus on personalities or Northern Hemisphere, Southern

693
00:38:10,693 --> 00:38:12,853
Speaker 7: Hemisphere or anything like that. It was really about looking

694
00:38:12,893 --> 00:38:15,293
Speaker 7: at what we think the future of the game needs

695
00:38:15,333 --> 00:38:19,333
Speaker 7: now and establishing a set of criteria to match that,

696
00:38:20,133 --> 00:38:23,933
Speaker 7: to consider the candidates against and for us.

697
00:38:24,133 --> 00:38:26,573
Speaker 8: You know, some of the things that came through as

698
00:38:26,733 --> 00:38:29,093
Speaker 8: we thought were important were, you.

699
00:38:29,053 --> 00:38:31,533
Speaker 7: Know, someone with a clear vision for the game, that

700
00:38:31,653 --> 00:38:35,133
Speaker 7: was progressive, that recognizes games got to evolve.

701
00:38:36,893 --> 00:38:38,573
Speaker 8: In different areas on and off the field.

702
00:38:40,493 --> 00:38:44,813
Speaker 7: Someone that was deeply connected to and passionate about the game,

703
00:38:44,853 --> 00:38:49,493
Speaker 7: but had also worked in environments that were large and

704
00:38:49,573 --> 00:38:52,573
Speaker 7: complex and multi dimensional in terms of stakeholder demands and

705
00:38:52,613 --> 00:38:55,493
Speaker 7: that sort of thing. So when you weigh all of

706
00:38:55,533 --> 00:38:59,333
Speaker 7: that up and you think about issues such as as

707
00:38:59,413 --> 00:39:02,133
Speaker 7: player welfare, where you know, Brett's worked in this space

708
00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:05,253
Speaker 7: as a medical doctor and being involved in high performance sport,

709
00:39:06,893 --> 00:39:09,493
Speaker 7: you know he understands the chill into the sport in

710
00:39:09,493 --> 00:39:12,573
Speaker 7: that Australian market. There are clearly, you know, some some

711
00:39:12,733 --> 00:39:15,813
Speaker 7: rival codes which are focusing on you know, how they

712
00:39:15,853 --> 00:39:18,933
Speaker 7: connect in terms of the entertainment space with with fans.

713
00:39:18,973 --> 00:39:22,533
Speaker 7: So he brings a unique lens there. I think he

714
00:39:22,613 --> 00:39:26,893
Speaker 7: understands the emerging market space really well in terms of

715
00:39:26,893 --> 00:39:30,613
Speaker 7: the opportunities because the proximity of Australia in the United

716
00:39:30,653 --> 00:39:33,813
Speaker 7: States and Japan. So there are a range of different

717
00:39:33,853 --> 00:39:36,533
Speaker 7: things where we think he against.

718
00:39:36,213 --> 00:39:37,573
Speaker 8: That criteria were established.

719
00:39:37,573 --> 00:39:40,973
Speaker 2: Was a preferred candidate, did you We presented to by

720
00:39:41,173 --> 00:39:42,573
Speaker 2: Benazzi of France, RONALDA.

721
00:39:42,693 --> 00:39:44,893
Speaker 6: Vetaly did Bendiji on Ragy here From those two.

722
00:39:44,853 --> 00:39:49,013
Speaker 7: We've had conversations with them through the last little while,

723
00:39:51,213 --> 00:39:55,933
Speaker 7: you know, and I think when we look at again

724
00:39:55,973 --> 00:39:58,653
Speaker 7: where we see the future of the game, we think

725
00:39:58,693 --> 00:40:04,093
Speaker 7: that that, Yeah, Brett's it's just a strong candidate.

726
00:40:04,093 --> 00:40:05,533
Speaker 8: For all the reasons I talked about before.

727
00:40:05,533 --> 00:40:07,213
Speaker 2: I feel confident you could work with one of those

728
00:40:07,213 --> 00:40:08,573
Speaker 2: two if they did get the numb is in a

729
00:40:08,613 --> 00:40:09,173
Speaker 2: couple of weeks time.

730
00:40:09,653 --> 00:40:11,853
Speaker 8: Oh look, I'm sure you know.

731
00:40:11,893 --> 00:40:16,373
Speaker 7: It's like any of these situations that democratic process is.

732
00:40:16,413 --> 00:40:21,853
Speaker 7: No one's sure about how things will play out. But

733
00:40:21,893 --> 00:40:23,853
Speaker 7: I'm sure you just you have to get on and

734
00:40:23,893 --> 00:40:26,853
Speaker 7: make things work. In New Zealand would put its best

735
00:40:26,973 --> 00:40:29,413
Speaker 7: foot forward to make sure that it's considered in the

736
00:40:29,773 --> 00:40:33,013
Speaker 7: setup of any new board in any new working structure

737
00:40:33,013 --> 00:40:33,773
Speaker 7: across world.

738
00:40:33,653 --> 00:40:35,373
Speaker 6: Rugby in a couple of weeks time.

739
00:40:35,653 --> 00:40:39,053
Speaker 2: The vote as well on the twenty minute red card

740
00:40:39,093 --> 00:40:43,453
Speaker 2: Global trial going aheads. It's obviously in the Automnations series,

741
00:40:43,493 --> 00:40:47,173
Speaker 2: but one of the candidates, Benazzi France, was saying that

742
00:40:47,213 --> 00:40:49,853
Speaker 2: he doesn't it's on his mandate that he doesn't agree

743
00:40:49,853 --> 00:40:51,093
Speaker 2: with it. Where do you think that is at in

744
00:40:51,173 --> 00:40:54,013
Speaker 2: terms of a world rugby context and will this twenty

745
00:40:54,013 --> 00:40:55,973
Speaker 2: minute red card, which New Zealand Rugby has been quite

746
00:40:56,693 --> 00:40:59,213
Speaker 2: at the forefront of go ahead in terms of a

747
00:40:59,253 --> 00:40:59,893
Speaker 2: global trial.

748
00:41:00,613 --> 00:41:01,453
Speaker 8: Well, I we'd like to think.

749
00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:04,693
Speaker 7: So it's I mean, it's really positive development that we're

750
00:41:04,733 --> 00:41:09,213
Speaker 7: playing the trial over the next few weeks. Six nations

751
00:41:09,213 --> 00:41:13,653
Speaker 7: have signed that off. It seems clear that you know,

752
00:41:13,693 --> 00:41:18,293
Speaker 7: every nation apart from France are supportive of it, even

753
00:41:18,333 --> 00:41:21,453
Speaker 7: though you know Ireland sort of signaled some concern with

754
00:41:21,493 --> 00:41:25,333
Speaker 7: the previosideration of the of the proposal. The current proposal

755
00:41:25,413 --> 00:41:28,853
Speaker 7: lands well with them as well. So, look, this is

756
00:41:30,893 --> 00:41:35,533
Speaker 7: a proposal that's been play now for over five years.

757
00:41:36,693 --> 00:41:39,213
Speaker 7: It's been through an awful lot of competitions and trials

758
00:41:39,293 --> 00:41:42,573
Speaker 7: and research and been fed into different forums, and we

759
00:41:42,653 --> 00:41:46,053
Speaker 7: think it's just a common sense next step for the

760
00:41:46,093 --> 00:41:48,853
Speaker 7: game that balances all the right things in terms of

761
00:41:48,853 --> 00:41:52,573
Speaker 7: player welfare demands which are critically important, as well as

762
00:41:52,613 --> 00:41:54,813
Speaker 7: balancing the needs of the fans to have a contest

763
00:41:54,853 --> 00:42:00,213
Speaker 7: which is not lost because of being ruined by a

764
00:42:00,253 --> 00:42:02,973
Speaker 7: red card, and the game has changed so much in

765
00:42:03,093 --> 00:42:05,413
Speaker 7: terms of the way red card tore rewarded.

766
00:42:05,493 --> 00:42:05,733
Speaker 2: Now.

767
00:42:06,693 --> 00:42:10,453
Speaker 7: Historically they were about it deliberate sort of foul play.

768
00:42:10,973 --> 00:42:15,853
Speaker 7: Now they obviously can be issued for incidents which are

769
00:42:15,893 --> 00:42:19,933
Speaker 7: more accidental by nature at times and very subjective at

770
00:42:19,933 --> 00:42:22,693
Speaker 7: times as well, and their incident rate has increased. So,

771
00:42:23,493 --> 00:42:25,773
Speaker 7: you know, it just makes perfect sense for us because

772
00:42:25,773 --> 00:42:28,773
Speaker 7: of the combination of the fan experience, looking after teams

773
00:42:28,773 --> 00:42:32,173
Speaker 7: interests and play welfare that this has continue to be

774
00:42:32,173 --> 00:42:34,613
Speaker 7: worked upon and we're only you know, when you think back,

775
00:42:34,773 --> 00:42:36,893
Speaker 7: we're the only probably contact sport in the world where

776
00:42:36,933 --> 00:42:39,693
Speaker 7: we create this sort of mismatch in our in our sport,

777
00:42:39,773 --> 00:42:41,973
Speaker 7: and when you're talking about premium events around things like

778
00:42:42,013 --> 00:42:45,853
Speaker 7: World Cups, Rugby Championships, Six Nations Nations Cup in the future,

779
00:42:46,493 --> 00:42:48,013
Speaker 7: we think we've got to move with the times.

780
00:42:48,493 --> 00:42:50,453
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a bit of confusion around it,

781
00:42:50,533 --> 00:42:53,013
Speaker 2: that the fact that a full red card in theory

782
00:42:53,053 --> 00:42:58,053
Speaker 2: does still exist for fuggish behavior, and maybe that there's

783
00:42:58,053 --> 00:42:59,933
Speaker 2: a bit of confusion from some of those countries that

784
00:42:59,973 --> 00:43:02,333
Speaker 2: oppose it, that you can replace a player they don't

785
00:43:02,333 --> 00:43:03,893
Speaker 2: come back on after twenty minutes, maybe.

786
00:43:03,693 --> 00:43:05,413
Speaker 6: An orange card or some sort of brand.

787
00:43:05,493 --> 00:43:07,613
Speaker 2: From a branding perspective, it maybe needs to be sort

788
00:43:07,613 --> 00:43:09,933
Speaker 2: of slightly to eat possibly.

789
00:43:10,013 --> 00:43:12,453
Speaker 8: I mean, you raise a fair question.

790
00:43:12,493 --> 00:43:16,253
Speaker 7: I mean, we've been really concerned that some countries who

791
00:43:16,813 --> 00:43:21,493
Speaker 7: have registered their concern with it and not agreed with

792
00:43:21,573 --> 00:43:25,173
Speaker 7: it haven't fully understood the proposal in previous forums. So

793
00:43:25,173 --> 00:43:27,933
Speaker 7: we're certainly hoping that that's not the case when people

794
00:43:27,933 --> 00:43:31,453
Speaker 7: come to vote on this. But you're right that safeguard

795
00:43:31,453 --> 00:43:35,453
Speaker 7: around deliberate foul play that we hardly ever see, you know,

796
00:43:35,453 --> 00:43:37,773
Speaker 7: in the game at all nowadays, is still covered for.

797
00:43:39,013 --> 00:43:43,053
Speaker 7: And then, as we say, the more newer development of

798
00:43:43,453 --> 00:43:47,493
Speaker 7: incidents around possibly things that are more accidental by nature

799
00:43:47,973 --> 00:43:51,093
Speaker 7: can be covered with more fairly with a twenty minute situation.

800
00:43:51,253 --> 00:43:54,213
Speaker 7: So look, yes, I think it's been an issue for

801
00:43:54,293 --> 00:43:56,253
Speaker 7: us that it hasn't been well understood or well researched

802
00:43:56,333 --> 00:43:58,213
Speaker 7: enough by others. But I think hopefully we're getting to

803
00:43:58,773 --> 00:44:01,773
Speaker 7: a situation now where by the vast majority of countries

804
00:44:01,773 --> 00:44:02,333
Speaker 7: are supportive.

805
00:44:02,933 --> 00:44:06,373
Speaker 2: The South African Tours story is ticked along throughout the

806
00:44:06,373 --> 00:44:09,013
Speaker 2: course of maybe about a year or so. Now it's

807
00:44:09,053 --> 00:44:11,133
Speaker 2: you know, when the deal Blacks were there, it sounded

808
00:44:11,133 --> 00:44:13,693
Speaker 2: like it was not far away from being announced. Still

809
00:44:13,693 --> 00:44:16,453
Speaker 2: on track for this to go ahead in twenty twenty six.

810
00:44:17,973 --> 00:44:20,493
Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, we are making good progress as it relates

811
00:44:20,533 --> 00:44:26,093
Speaker 7: to all the emerging competitions for the twenty twenty six

812
00:44:27,053 --> 00:44:31,133
Speaker 7: media rite cycle twenty twenty six to twenty thirty Nations Cup.

813
00:44:31,173 --> 00:44:34,453
Speaker 7: We're having meetings through this next few weeks and we've

814
00:44:34,453 --> 00:44:39,173
Speaker 7: got meetings on those with all of the major nations

815
00:44:39,213 --> 00:44:41,653
Speaker 7: attending in Dublin a few weeks time around the same

816
00:44:41,693 --> 00:44:47,333
Speaker 7: time as the as the elections, and absolutely the South

817
00:44:47,333 --> 00:44:50,333
Speaker 7: Africa All Blacks tours are still on track, so you.

818
00:44:50,293 --> 00:44:52,373
Speaker 8: Know, we're trying to where we can.

819
00:44:53,653 --> 00:44:55,413
Speaker 7: I think we'll finalize these in the next and the

820
00:44:55,453 --> 00:44:57,013
Speaker 7: next few weeks. It would be great to be out

821
00:44:57,013 --> 00:44:58,533
Speaker 7: in the market with them soon after.

822
00:44:58,653 --> 00:45:00,093
Speaker 8: So look at these things.

823
00:45:00,013 --> 00:45:01,733
Speaker 7: As I've said several times this year, they just take

824
00:45:01,733 --> 00:45:03,693
Speaker 7: a bit of time. That some of them represent significant

825
00:45:03,773 --> 00:45:06,373
Speaker 7: changes to calendars and there's just a few things we

826
00:45:06,413 --> 00:45:08,893
Speaker 7: need to make sure we get right before signed them off.

827
00:45:09,173 --> 00:45:12,493
Speaker 2: Anyways, with the Nation's Championship and these tour concepts, it's

828
00:45:12,893 --> 00:45:15,293
Speaker 2: one of the biggest changes really since maybe Argentina came

829
00:45:15,333 --> 00:45:17,653
Speaker 2: into RAGA Championship, but if you go back probably to

830
00:45:17,693 --> 00:45:19,773
Speaker 2: the professional era when the Try Nations came in.

831
00:45:20,693 --> 00:45:25,733
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. You know, when you look ahead for

832
00:45:25,773 --> 00:45:28,413
Speaker 7: this next cycle from twenty twenty six, it's probably one

833
00:45:28,413 --> 00:45:31,453
Speaker 7: of the most exciting five year periods of the game

834
00:45:31,493 --> 00:45:34,933
Speaker 7: as it rates to fans in New Zealand, and they

835
00:45:34,973 --> 00:45:36,853
Speaker 7: are major changes, you know.

836
00:45:36,853 --> 00:45:37,773
Speaker 8: I haven't.

837
00:45:38,893 --> 00:45:41,333
Speaker 7: The feedback largely around the South Africa All Blacks model

838
00:45:41,333 --> 00:45:42,293
Speaker 7: seems really positive.

839
00:45:42,853 --> 00:45:43,973
Speaker 8: We've got two Lines tours.

840
00:45:43,973 --> 00:45:47,053
Speaker 7: I met with the Lines this morning here in London

841
00:45:47,093 --> 00:45:49,973
Speaker 7: and the women's and mens to both huge amount of

842
00:45:50,013 --> 00:45:53,293
Speaker 7: excitement building the air and we'll continue we'll probably pick

843
00:45:53,373 --> 00:45:56,453
Speaker 7: up speed on the work programs around the twenty twenty

844
00:45:56,533 --> 00:45:57,653
Speaker 7: nine Men's tour.

845
00:45:58,293 --> 00:45:59,573
Speaker 8: In the early part of next year.

846
00:45:59,893 --> 00:46:02,933
Speaker 7: We've got the Global Club Competition which is being worked

847
00:46:02,973 --> 00:46:07,693
Speaker 7: on as well Nations Cup. As you say, so, look,

848
00:46:07,733 --> 00:46:10,333
Speaker 7: I just think it's remarkable time for fans in New

849
00:46:10,373 --> 00:46:14,773
Speaker 7: Zealer to get excited about world class rugby coming into.

850
00:46:13,773 --> 00:46:14,973
Speaker 8: Our shores in the next sort of while.

851
00:46:15,013 --> 00:46:17,373
Speaker 7: And yeah, we do need to make sure we get

852
00:46:17,373 --> 00:46:19,413
Speaker 7: all of the preparation for that being on if we can.

853
00:46:19,933 --> 00:46:23,733
Speaker 2: Black fernds this year, but up but down. We're in

854
00:46:23,813 --> 00:46:25,413
Speaker 2: London at the moment, which is going to be the

855
00:46:25,453 --> 00:46:28,733
Speaker 2: side of the World Cup final in just under a

856
00:46:28,813 --> 00:46:30,413
Speaker 2: year's time. I guess where do you see the black

857
00:46:30,413 --> 00:46:33,013
Speaker 2: ferns and where they're at? After a couple of losses

858
00:46:33,053 --> 00:46:34,933
Speaker 2: to England who are in an imperious form at the

859
00:46:34,933 --> 00:46:37,693
Speaker 2: moment and Ireland was a surprise loss, where do you

860
00:46:37,693 --> 00:46:39,213
Speaker 2: see there out of year at from the World Cup?

861
00:46:39,813 --> 00:46:44,333
Speaker 8: Well, look, I think I was here back in September.

862
00:46:44,373 --> 00:46:47,693
Speaker 7: I think it was when we played England at Twickenham,

863
00:46:47,933 --> 00:46:51,373
Speaker 7: and I think people would all recognize we made some

864
00:46:51,413 --> 00:46:54,213
Speaker 7: really strong progress leading into that game and played really

865
00:46:54,253 --> 00:46:57,813
Speaker 7: well for long periods, so the direction of travel.

866
00:46:57,453 --> 00:46:59,213
Speaker 8: Then we were really positive about.

867
00:46:59,253 --> 00:47:01,253
Speaker 7: Clearly the Irish game was a bit of a setback

868
00:47:01,293 --> 00:47:03,973
Speaker 7: and Ellen and the team have sort of registered their

869
00:47:03,973 --> 00:47:06,933
Speaker 7: disappointment with that, and then we saw them come back

870
00:47:06,973 --> 00:47:09,573
Speaker 7: and I thought played really well against France again. So

871
00:47:09,973 --> 00:47:14,853
Speaker 7: obviously we'd all like to see more consistency as and

872
00:47:15,253 --> 00:47:18,013
Speaker 7: I think we're always disappointed when in any team in

873
00:47:18,053 --> 00:47:22,013
Speaker 7: black losers, but I think overall probably take stock of things,

874
00:47:22,493 --> 00:47:24,293
Speaker 7: get everyrun home and go through a really good thorough

875
00:47:24,333 --> 00:47:26,773
Speaker 7: review and find out how we can wrap all the

876
00:47:26,773 --> 00:47:30,253
Speaker 7: possible support around the team leading into Super Rugby opicking

877
00:47:30,253 --> 00:47:35,333
Speaker 7: next year. We've got you know, a good amount of

878
00:47:36,693 --> 00:47:39,933
Speaker 7: Test matches leading into the World Cup and just set

879
00:47:39,973 --> 00:47:42,093
Speaker 7: the team up for all the possible success we can with,

880
00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:44,413
Speaker 7: you know, if we need more resourcing or if we

881
00:47:44,453 --> 00:47:48,253
Speaker 7: need more competitions or fixtures, sorry, then that'll be the

882
00:47:48,293 --> 00:47:49,733
Speaker 7: things we sort of decide at the end of the year.

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00:47:49,733 --> 00:47:51,773
Speaker 2: Probably I haven't touched on the All Blacks, but a

884
00:47:51,813 --> 00:47:54,293
Speaker 2: big obviously three weeks coming up or four weeks coming

885
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Speaker 2: up in Europe for the side, I guess on the

886
00:47:57,373 --> 00:48:00,173
Speaker 2: back of that Japan results and Scott Robertson's first year,

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Speaker 2: your assessment of sort of where the All Blacks sit

888
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Speaker 2: on the cusp of these big tests coming up.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean overall we're we're reasonably positive. We think

890
00:48:10,573 --> 00:48:14,333
Speaker 7: the direction of travel overall has been clear for people

891
00:48:14,333 --> 00:48:16,933
Speaker 7: to see that, you know, always disappointing to lose, and

892
00:48:17,613 --> 00:48:21,813
Speaker 7: again Scott and the team clearly, you know, felt frustrating

893
00:48:21,893 --> 00:48:24,733
Speaker 7: those losses earlier in the in the in the campaign,

894
00:48:25,093 --> 00:48:28,693
Speaker 7: in the test season, but they really fine margins around

895
00:48:28,693 --> 00:48:32,253
Speaker 7: the international game, and we saw that especially in South Africa.

896
00:48:32,933 --> 00:48:35,973
Speaker 7: Exciting to see the emergence of such great young talent

897
00:48:36,053 --> 00:48:40,333
Speaker 7: coming through and seeing opportunities provided for some of those players.

898
00:48:40,333 --> 00:48:42,373
Speaker 7: I think a large season like this, even though it's

899
00:48:42,413 --> 00:48:45,973
Speaker 7: hugely challenging, has provided that basis for a new group

900
00:48:46,013 --> 00:48:48,773
Speaker 7: to come together and develop some cohesion on and off

901
00:48:48,813 --> 00:48:51,053
Speaker 7: the field, and I think we just got to remember

902
00:48:51,053 --> 00:48:52,453
Speaker 7: that not only is it a new group on and

903
00:48:52,493 --> 00:48:53,973
Speaker 7: off the field, this is probably one of the toughest

904
00:48:54,013 --> 00:48:57,053
Speaker 7: schedules we've had in many years with the way the

905
00:48:57,773 --> 00:49:01,613
Speaker 7: calendar has worked out. So overall, you know, we're pretty positive.

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00:49:01,653 --> 00:49:04,493
Speaker 7: Well again, there'll be quite an extensive review at the

907
00:49:04,533 --> 00:49:06,573
Speaker 7: end of the year having a look at all the

908
00:49:06,613 --> 00:49:10,653
Speaker 7: things and where we can developing the growth in the environment,

909
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Speaker 7: but as we sit here right now, we're reasonably positive.

910
00:49:13,173 --> 00:49:14,373
Speaker 6: It's finished positive as well.

911
00:49:14,893 --> 00:49:19,493
Speaker 2: Community rugby figures understand up, which is it must be

912
00:49:19,573 --> 00:49:23,053
Speaker 2: incredibly welcoming for New Zealand rugby because some of those

913
00:49:23,053 --> 00:49:25,533
Speaker 2: has been challenging areas, some of those key demographics, so

914
00:49:25,773 --> 00:49:27,773
Speaker 2: to get them reversed or going the right direction must

915
00:49:27,813 --> 00:49:28,613
Speaker 2: be pretty pleasing.

916
00:49:29,173 --> 00:49:30,813
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is. And then it's a second year in

917
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Speaker 8: a row. We've had.

918
00:49:33,493 --> 00:49:37,613
Speaker 7: A good uplift in community numbers some of those key markers,

919
00:49:37,653 --> 00:49:41,213
Speaker 7: you know, teenage boys especially is often quite a strong

920
00:49:41,253 --> 00:49:42,773
Speaker 7: mark for how the community game's going.

921
00:49:42,853 --> 00:49:44,333
Speaker 8: So to have two years.

922
00:49:44,133 --> 00:49:46,453
Speaker 7: In a row with LYFT in those areas is really positive.

923
00:49:47,333 --> 00:49:50,533
Speaker 8: Great year for women and girls. We've seen the continued building.

924
00:49:50,173 --> 00:49:52,333
Speaker 7: Off Rugby World Cup a couple of years ago, which

925
00:49:52,333 --> 00:49:57,253
Speaker 7: has been fantastic, and even in senior men's club rugby

926
00:49:57,373 --> 00:49:59,933
Speaker 7: seeing growth as well. So look, we're not sitting on

927
00:49:59,933 --> 00:50:02,013
Speaker 7: our laurels at all here. We know, you know, there's

928
00:50:02,973 --> 00:50:06,333
Speaker 7: always work to be done in this area, but overall

929
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Speaker 7: we know we're being really progressive and challenging status quo

930
00:50:09,573 --> 00:50:14,493
Speaker 7: around formats, laws, different trials and we'll continue to do that.

931
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Speaker 7: Steve Lancaster and his team have done some great work

932
00:50:17,413 --> 00:50:20,373
Speaker 7: in this area and I think we're developing some real

933
00:50:20,413 --> 00:50:23,533
Speaker 7: momentum in this space. So look, we've got you know,

934
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Speaker 7: more resourcing as we've seen going into that space than

935
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Speaker 7: we have historically and we think it's starting to pay

936
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Speaker 7: dividends at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Mark Robinson, never a quiet time in rugby, is it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us in London and

939
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Speaker 2: we're shing the best of luck navigating all those meetings

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00:50:35,573 --> 00:50:36,373
Speaker 2: over the next few weeks.

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Speaker 8: Great to see Ali, Thanks very much, Mark.

942
00:50:38,093 --> 00:50:42,973
Speaker 2: Robinson, the on Rugby, Jeryfory appreciative of his time as

943
00:50:43,053 --> 00:50:45,813
Speaker 2: always on the podcast, and Liam, that will about do

944
00:50:45,933 --> 00:50:47,853
Speaker 2: us big tests this weekend.

945
00:50:48,253 --> 00:50:50,253
Speaker 3: A prediction before we wrap up, before we wrap.

946
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Speaker 4: Up, Yes, big challenge Elliott at Twickenham.

947
00:50:54,773 --> 00:50:56,613
Speaker 5: I think what was it last time.

948
00:50:56,493 --> 00:51:00,253
Speaker 4: There the All Blacks collapsed to draw at the back

949
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Speaker 4: end of the twenty twenty two season. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: say the All Blacks win this weekend in a very

951
00:51:07,013 --> 00:51:13,053
Speaker 4: tight fixture, maybe by three five points, and I think

952
00:51:13,213 --> 00:51:16,053
Speaker 4: it would be a bit of a dark sign if

953
00:51:16,053 --> 00:51:18,613
Speaker 4: they don't. Winning at Twickenham is tough, but I think

954
00:51:18,733 --> 00:51:25,013
Speaker 4: England currently not where Island or France are. So if

955
00:51:25,013 --> 00:51:27,773
Speaker 4: they don't win this weekend it's real back to the

956
00:51:27,813 --> 00:51:30,573
Speaker 4: world territory for Scott Robinson. So the All Blacks to

957
00:51:30,613 --> 00:51:32,053
Speaker 4: win in a very tight contest.

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00:51:32,333 --> 00:51:34,413
Speaker 3: All right, So the All Blacks by five.

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00:51:34,493 --> 00:51:36,773
Speaker 2: Thank you Liam, as always, look forward to catching up

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00:51:37,133 --> 00:51:40,613
Speaker 2: next week from Dublin and checking it again on the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Cheers mate, go well, that.

962
00:51:43,933 --> 00:51:44,413
Speaker 8: Has been right.

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Speaker 2: We direct with four Cliff Solutions, lifting you and your

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Speaker 2: business to a high and level of Thanks is always

965
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Speaker 2: for laughing bys English and we'll see you next week.

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