1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,747 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZB and. 3 00:00:13,027 --> 00:00:15,907 Speaker 2: We always chat to James mccaronney. Hello, mate, how's your weekend? 4 00:00:16,467 --> 00:00:19,907 Speaker 3: Oh, good things, poney, Yeah, good weekend. Still some sport 5 00:00:19,947 --> 00:00:23,267 Speaker 3: out there. Not a bad Saturday with the wires and 6 00:00:23,307 --> 00:00:24,107 Speaker 3: the Lions. 7 00:00:24,627 --> 00:00:26,987 Speaker 2: Let's talk the Lions. Did you think that was a 8 00:00:26,987 --> 00:00:27,867 Speaker 2: penalty at the end. 9 00:00:29,507 --> 00:00:31,987 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did think it was a penalty. And I 10 00:00:32,067 --> 00:00:34,787 Speaker 3: know it happens a lot with when you've got a 11 00:00:34,867 --> 00:00:37,507 Speaker 3: jackler over the ball, But the top players find a 12 00:00:37,547 --> 00:00:40,347 Speaker 3: way to clean those guys out, because generally, if your 13 00:00:40,387 --> 00:00:42,747 Speaker 3: head's pointing down towards the ground, they'll clean out. They'll 14 00:00:42,747 --> 00:00:45,347 Speaker 3: grab their back or under their outpits or you know, 15 00:00:45,427 --> 00:00:48,867 Speaker 3: even their waste sometimes to sort of move them from 16 00:00:48,947 --> 00:00:52,547 Speaker 3: the spot. But you can't have direct shoulder contact to 17 00:00:52,627 --> 00:00:55,067 Speaker 3: the back of your head and neck like that and 18 00:00:55,107 --> 00:00:57,787 Speaker 3: not give a penalty because it really is a yellow 19 00:00:57,827 --> 00:01:00,747 Speaker 3: car defense. I think your previous text has said that. 20 00:01:00,947 --> 00:01:04,187 Speaker 3: So by ignoring that, I think that the problem is 21 00:01:04,987 --> 00:01:09,787 Speaker 3: they're focusing on Tazano's dive the Hollywood, and I think 22 00:01:09,827 --> 00:01:12,387 Speaker 3: that's not the point. The point is that he was 23 00:01:12,427 --> 00:01:14,307 Speaker 3: actually hit in the back of the head and you 24 00:01:14,467 --> 00:01:16,827 Speaker 3: have to give that as a penalty. And obviously the 25 00:01:16,827 --> 00:01:20,387 Speaker 3: Australian directors TV directors were doing their best to show 26 00:01:20,427 --> 00:01:23,187 Speaker 3: them all the angles and you could even say that 27 00:01:23,587 --> 00:01:27,147 Speaker 3: Jack Morgan that got the cleaner, if you will, from 28 00:01:27,147 --> 00:01:29,947 Speaker 3: the Lions. He left his feet as well to make 29 00:01:29,987 --> 00:01:33,347 Speaker 3: that clean out, which you're not supposed to do either. 30 00:01:33,467 --> 00:01:36,267 Speaker 3: And they were being very picky in the breakdown every 31 00:01:36,307 --> 00:01:39,587 Speaker 3: other for every other minute of that game. Pinty, So yes, 32 00:01:39,627 --> 00:01:42,027 Speaker 3: it was a penalty. Yes, Australia should have won it. 33 00:01:42,467 --> 00:01:44,987 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think today, if that penalty is given 34 00:01:45,107 --> 00:01:47,667 Speaker 2: and Australia win the Test match, I think there's probably 35 00:01:48,347 --> 00:01:52,067 Speaker 2: fewer arguments around than there are today. I mean, again, 36 00:01:52,107 --> 00:01:54,907 Speaker 2: you can't take the context of the series into account, 37 00:01:54,987 --> 00:01:57,307 Speaker 2: but had they given the penalty, Australia win the Test 38 00:01:57,307 --> 00:01:59,107 Speaker 2: Match and all of a sudden we've got a blockbuster 39 00:01:59,587 --> 00:02:02,147 Speaker 2: series decider in Sydney next week. Again, I know that's 40 00:02:02,147 --> 00:02:04,467 Speaker 2: not the point, but I'm not sure that you get 41 00:02:04,507 --> 00:02:07,707 Speaker 2: as much argument if you give that penalty exactly. 42 00:02:07,787 --> 00:02:10,147 Speaker 3: I think if you give the penny, people are saying, well, 43 00:02:10,227 --> 00:02:12,307 Speaker 3: there might be a few people saying game's gone soft. 44 00:02:12,347 --> 00:02:14,627 Speaker 3: All that sort of stuff. Look, I know there's lots 45 00:02:14,627 --> 00:02:16,747 Speaker 3: of jacklers out there. You'd probably would be good to 46 00:02:16,787 --> 00:02:20,027 Speaker 3: talk to someone like duplasy Kitty feed and and to 47 00:02:20,107 --> 00:02:22,307 Speaker 3: mark the tather ta Nahai. How many times you get 48 00:02:22,387 --> 00:02:24,627 Speaker 3: hit in the back of their head or neck and 49 00:02:24,667 --> 00:02:27,627 Speaker 3: the ref doesn't care? Because I've seen this on your 50 00:02:27,627 --> 00:02:29,747 Speaker 3: show probably a couple of years ago. I think it's 51 00:02:29,747 --> 00:02:32,547 Speaker 3: one of the big anomalies or you know, sort of 52 00:02:32,547 --> 00:02:35,147 Speaker 3: blind spots and Rugby that they're not picking up on 53 00:02:35,187 --> 00:02:37,627 Speaker 3: that head contact. And you could say the same for 54 00:02:38,267 --> 00:02:40,707 Speaker 3: you know, picking go close to the line, the person 55 00:02:40,787 --> 00:02:43,707 Speaker 3: picking and going is going low, the tackler's going low. 56 00:02:44,027 --> 00:02:47,227 Speaker 3: It's pretty much like mountain goats on you know, National 57 00:02:47,267 --> 00:02:51,187 Speaker 3: geographics sort of thing, where there is heat contact but 58 00:02:51,227 --> 00:02:54,467 Speaker 3: it's just ignored. So that's where Rugby's got to. Now. 59 00:02:55,227 --> 00:02:58,707 Speaker 3: They've tried to set these parameters and now they've ignored them, 60 00:02:58,747 --> 00:03:00,987 Speaker 3: which I think is the biggest problem with last night. 61 00:03:01,587 --> 00:03:05,227 Speaker 2: I also think actually that you know, the Wallabies should 62 00:03:05,307 --> 00:03:08,227 Speaker 2: have been able to hold a twenty three to five lead. 63 00:03:08,307 --> 00:03:11,267 Speaker 2: I thought they were really good in the first half hour. 64 00:03:11,507 --> 00:03:15,027 Speaker 2: A couple of the tries they scored. Joseph Suli was 65 00:03:15,067 --> 00:03:18,667 Speaker 2: involved in one of them, and you finally you know 66 00:03:18,867 --> 00:03:21,107 Speaker 2: understand why it is that they are so keen on 67 00:03:21,147 --> 00:03:23,147 Speaker 2: this bloke exactly. 68 00:03:23,227 --> 00:03:26,267 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that the way they went for 69 00:03:26,347 --> 00:03:28,907 Speaker 3: Joseph saurierly he is probably the smartest thing they've done 70 00:03:28,947 --> 00:03:31,827 Speaker 3: in a while. Australian rugby Eddie Jones is the dumbest 71 00:03:31,867 --> 00:03:37,027 Speaker 3: getting him back, but signing saurially from Roosters from the NRL, 72 00:03:37,267 --> 00:03:38,987 Speaker 3: it was a big battle for a signature when he 73 00:03:39,107 --> 00:03:42,307 Speaker 3: was a rugby star as a youngster at school and 74 00:03:42,347 --> 00:03:44,827 Speaker 3: then they lost out to league. But getting him back 75 00:03:44,867 --> 00:03:47,147 Speaker 3: it just shows how much that one player can make 76 00:03:47,187 --> 00:03:50,987 Speaker 3: a difference in the team sport. Because yes will scouting 77 00:03:51,067 --> 00:03:54,547 Speaker 3: Rob Valentini bolsted the pack and the forwards were a 78 00:03:54,587 --> 00:03:57,627 Speaker 3: lot better, but that move it was just absolute champagne rugby. 79 00:03:58,027 --> 00:04:00,627 Speaker 3: You know, a set play from inside their own twenty 80 00:04:00,667 --> 00:04:04,387 Speaker 3: two really or just outside their twenty two, just flowing 81 00:04:04,427 --> 00:04:07,027 Speaker 3: the whole length of the field. That to me rugby 82 00:04:07,107 --> 00:04:10,707 Speaker 3: I think is at its best, and I mean you 83 00:04:10,787 --> 00:04:13,267 Speaker 3: have to congratulate that both teams on the series. I 84 00:04:13,267 --> 00:04:15,547 Speaker 3: think it's been better rugby than what we saw with 85 00:04:15,627 --> 00:04:19,707 Speaker 3: the All Blacks against France. You know, just just for 86 00:04:20,627 --> 00:04:23,227 Speaker 3: I guess at the expense of play a lot more 87 00:04:23,227 --> 00:04:26,907 Speaker 3: long passes. Some of them don't work, but hey, they regroup, 88 00:04:26,947 --> 00:04:29,467 Speaker 3: they get the ball backs, you know, thirty seconds later 89 00:04:29,467 --> 00:04:32,067 Speaker 3: because everyone's box kicking, so who cares? 90 00:04:32,427 --> 00:04:35,227 Speaker 2: In massive crowds too? Was it ninety thousand there last night? 91 00:04:35,267 --> 00:04:37,547 Speaker 2: I know the Lions are well supported with Man, what 92 00:04:37,627 --> 00:04:40,627 Speaker 2: an atmosphere there at the G last night. Hey are 93 00:04:40,667 --> 00:04:42,427 Speaker 2: the Warriors thoughts? 94 00:04:43,907 --> 00:04:46,347 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's start with the Wahena. I thought they were. 95 00:04:46,387 --> 00:04:49,907 Speaker 3: Actually they battled back so well, and then it was 96 00:04:49,947 --> 00:04:53,947 Speaker 3: the same issues, which was not being clinical in the 97 00:04:54,067 --> 00:04:57,267 Speaker 3: set of danger zone really and I think that's tough 98 00:04:57,307 --> 00:04:59,587 Speaker 3: because it is a team that's only just been brought 99 00:04:59,627 --> 00:05:03,587 Speaker 3: together this year, so that's okay. I think they did 100 00:05:03,747 --> 00:05:06,947 Speaker 3: learn though, really what it's like to have someone who's 101 00:05:06,987 --> 00:05:09,987 Speaker 3: absolutely lightning on the other team. That the Titans had 102 00:05:09,987 --> 00:05:14,667 Speaker 3: two players in particular who are just so vital to 103 00:05:14,747 --> 00:05:17,587 Speaker 3: their go forward and everything they did. So maybe they 104 00:05:17,627 --> 00:05:20,467 Speaker 3: need to I mean, you've only got one michaela break, 105 00:05:20,507 --> 00:05:22,107 Speaker 3: but you need to sort of work out where you 106 00:05:22,147 --> 00:05:25,947 Speaker 3: place your wheels around the field with the men. I 107 00:05:26,067 --> 00:05:29,147 Speaker 3: just thought that the Titans have just got their number, 108 00:05:29,227 --> 00:05:32,387 Speaker 3: do they? Because even when when the Titans went down, 109 00:05:32,587 --> 00:05:36,547 Speaker 3: they were they went flustered. Karen for and had an 110 00:05:36,547 --> 00:05:40,427 Speaker 3: incredible game. The old veteran on the left side for 111 00:05:40,947 --> 00:05:44,827 Speaker 3: the left edge for the Titans, and really they everyone 112 00:05:44,867 --> 00:05:47,067 Speaker 3: knows about Lequa Hala Sema now right, the cat is 113 00:05:47,067 --> 00:05:49,547 Speaker 3: out of the bag. Leckerscored a try, you made an 114 00:05:49,587 --> 00:05:54,467 Speaker 3: incredible run, but they still managed to deal with that 115 00:05:54,787 --> 00:05:57,547 Speaker 3: and take down the Warriors. So for me, Piney, the 116 00:05:57,627 --> 00:06:00,227 Speaker 3: issue was one of the ones we've talked about before. Yeah, 117 00:06:00,227 --> 00:06:03,227 Speaker 3: who are the danger? Mean? Lequa Roger looked good. You 118 00:06:03,347 --> 00:06:07,107 Speaker 3: need more dangers because if you've got two players that 119 00:06:07,107 --> 00:06:09,787 Speaker 3: that the opposition really have to have alarm dolls four 120 00:06:10,067 --> 00:06:13,107 Speaker 3: it's not enough. You really need five. So the great 121 00:06:13,147 --> 00:06:17,347 Speaker 3: Melbourne Storm teams doesn't matter who comes in like Pappenhausen 122 00:06:17,387 --> 00:06:19,867 Speaker 3: can be incredible, but they're also got their head on 123 00:06:19,907 --> 00:06:23,427 Speaker 3: a swivel for the Xavier Coats and Cameron Munster and 124 00:06:23,507 --> 00:06:25,987 Speaker 3: the rest you know, I mean meaning as well. So 125 00:06:26,667 --> 00:06:30,547 Speaker 3: that's where we're left. I think we've just got too 126 00:06:30,627 --> 00:06:31,827 Speaker 3: fewer focal points. 127 00:06:32,907 --> 00:06:34,227 Speaker 2: Do you reckon they're still top four? 128 00:06:37,987 --> 00:06:40,867 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so? I mean with he is an 129 00:06:40,867 --> 00:06:44,227 Speaker 3: incredible coach, and I think he's probably learned that even 130 00:06:44,227 --> 00:06:46,827 Speaker 3: getting rid of Tame Tour pick he was a mistake 131 00:06:46,947 --> 00:06:51,987 Speaker 3: because he does provide I guess that other line breaker option, 132 00:06:52,467 --> 00:06:55,827 Speaker 3: and you know, when it gets down to it, we 133 00:06:55,907 --> 00:06:58,707 Speaker 3: sort of need someone like that. I think that what 134 00:06:58,747 --> 00:07:00,547 Speaker 3: they should be looking at though, is that last week 135 00:07:00,587 --> 00:07:03,227 Speaker 3: they should be treating like a loss. If it wasn't 136 00:07:03,227 --> 00:07:06,387 Speaker 3: for Lequa's incredible try one of the greatest tries in 137 00:07:06,387 --> 00:07:10,267 Speaker 3: in RL history at the death when we're trying for 138 00:07:10,307 --> 00:07:14,387 Speaker 3: a miracle drop goal from distance, it wasn't for that try. 139 00:07:15,347 --> 00:07:17,467 Speaker 3: That's really a loss, right if it wasn't for that 140 00:07:17,507 --> 00:07:20,787 Speaker 3: one little moment. So yep, basically be saying, Okay, we're 141 00:07:20,787 --> 00:07:22,827 Speaker 3: in a slump. Now we've got to actually climb out 142 00:07:22,827 --> 00:07:25,347 Speaker 3: of it. And so I think it is time for 143 00:07:26,667 --> 00:07:28,787 Speaker 3: going back to the drawing board on a few things 144 00:07:28,787 --> 00:07:30,787 Speaker 3: that they thought were going to work. And waiting and 145 00:07:30,867 --> 00:07:33,107 Speaker 3: being out is a big problem because I think with 146 00:07:33,187 --> 00:07:35,027 Speaker 3: that headnock, he's not available next week. 147 00:07:35,347 --> 00:07:38,187 Speaker 2: No, he's definitely not. So you're right, there's another change 148 00:07:38,187 --> 00:07:39,947 Speaker 2: coming there. A couple of other matters, A m Z 149 00:07:40,067 --> 00:07:42,587 Speaker 2: Premiership Netball Final this afternoon, A couple of hours away, 150 00:07:42,907 --> 00:07:45,947 Speaker 2: two time defending champion Mystics, the Tactics who have never 151 00:07:46,027 --> 00:07:47,747 Speaker 2: won it. Who you got here? 152 00:07:49,787 --> 00:07:51,947 Speaker 3: I'm going to go maybe against the grain and go 153 00:07:52,027 --> 00:07:57,067 Speaker 3: for the Tactics. I think Donna Wilkins formerly Donna Lofhagen, 154 00:07:57,467 --> 00:08:01,067 Speaker 3: it just brought some steely resolve forgive the pun because 155 00:08:01,107 --> 00:08:03,427 Speaker 3: she is just one of those coaches who caused it 156 00:08:03,467 --> 00:08:05,947 Speaker 3: as she see it, sees it, and all those players 157 00:08:05,987 --> 00:08:10,627 Speaker 3: of respect onted to her let's say, brutal, honestly earthy 158 00:08:10,747 --> 00:08:15,427 Speaker 3: language and just you know the vibe of a winner's mentality. 159 00:08:15,587 --> 00:08:19,147 Speaker 3: So she's tough, she's got that Southern grit, and I 160 00:08:19,187 --> 00:08:23,187 Speaker 3: think the Tactics will go there, you know, just feel 161 00:08:23,187 --> 00:08:27,387 Speaker 3: and confident. Anyway. The Mystics, though, look, no grass and 162 00:08:27,427 --> 00:08:30,827 Speaker 3: wiki hasn't really slowed them down. They are sort of 163 00:08:30,867 --> 00:08:34,107 Speaker 3: like a classic what would you call it, like a 164 00:08:34,147 --> 00:08:38,307 Speaker 3: free flowing team that just seemed to sort of be 165 00:08:38,947 --> 00:08:41,747 Speaker 3: telepathic with their play. But yeah, I'm going for Donna 166 00:08:41,907 --> 00:08:44,347 Speaker 3: and her girls from down South, all. 167 00:08:44,307 --> 00:08:47,427 Speaker 2: Right, And it's been confirmed this week. I think it's 168 00:08:47,427 --> 00:08:50,027 Speaker 2: been generally understood for a while that there we know 169 00:08:50,147 --> 00:08:53,187 Speaker 2: Auckland FC women's team in the coming season. That was 170 00:08:53,227 --> 00:08:55,747 Speaker 2: the original plan that having stood the men's team up, 171 00:08:55,747 --> 00:08:57,067 Speaker 2: they would do the same with the women and the 172 00:08:57,107 --> 00:08:59,547 Speaker 2: women would compete in the Women's A League in the 173 00:08:59,587 --> 00:09:01,307 Speaker 2: season ahead. That will now have to wait for at 174 00:09:01,347 --> 00:09:03,707 Speaker 2: least one more season. I'm a bit gutted about this. 175 00:09:03,947 --> 00:09:05,947 Speaker 2: I love the men's derby so much I was looking 176 00:09:05,947 --> 00:09:07,067 Speaker 2: forward to the women's ones. 177 00:09:07,827 --> 00:09:11,267 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a massive kicking the gats for people 178 00:09:11,267 --> 00:09:13,867 Speaker 3: who love football, for women playing football in Auckland and 179 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:17,307 Speaker 3: fans of women's football, and in the Queens City, the 180 00:09:17,307 --> 00:09:20,587 Speaker 3: city of Sales. So look, it's it really is a 181 00:09:20,587 --> 00:09:25,227 Speaker 3: big backtrack. And I know that there's financial concerns from 182 00:09:25,347 --> 00:09:27,907 Speaker 3: the A League saying, look the competition runs at the lost, 183 00:09:27,947 --> 00:09:30,827 Speaker 3: we can't afford to check another team into the mix. 184 00:09:30,907 --> 00:09:33,787 Speaker 3: So that's one factor. But the other factor is, like 185 00:09:33,947 --> 00:09:36,747 Speaker 3: I think Auckland they see probably need to front foot 186 00:09:36,747 --> 00:09:39,067 Speaker 3: this a bit more and say what the plan is 187 00:09:39,107 --> 00:09:42,187 Speaker 3: and what's going to happen, because you know, if you're 188 00:09:42,187 --> 00:09:45,307 Speaker 3: an aspiring footballer in Auckland and that when they launched 189 00:09:45,307 --> 00:09:47,067 Speaker 3: Auckland the f C, they said this is the team 190 00:09:47,507 --> 00:09:50,467 Speaker 3: for all of Auckland, you know, So they need to 191 00:09:50,547 --> 00:09:55,307 Speaker 3: leave let all of Auckland know, especially women's football, is 192 00:09:55,347 --> 00:09:58,947 Speaker 3: exactly where they stand, what the plan is next when 193 00:09:58,987 --> 00:10:02,627 Speaker 3: the trials are what you know, when they're planning to 194 00:10:02,987 --> 00:10:07,067 Speaker 3: assemble them and muster all the players. So that's I 195 00:10:07,147 --> 00:10:11,507 Speaker 3: just think it's been a little handled clankily and it's 196 00:10:11,587 --> 00:10:13,187 Speaker 3: not really a good look for a team that's sort 197 00:10:13,227 --> 00:10:16,027 Speaker 3: of had a really like a pr sort of like 198 00:10:16,747 --> 00:10:19,107 Speaker 3: ridden a wave. It's been a dream for them so far, 199 00:10:19,147 --> 00:10:20,627 Speaker 3: but this isn't great. 200 00:10:21,787 --> 00:10:23,947 Speaker 2: Gott to leave it there for today, mate, Always love 201 00:10:24,027 --> 00:10:26,747 Speaker 2: chatting sport with you. Shall we do it again next Sunday? 202 00:10:27,387 --> 00:10:29,547 Speaker 3: Why not? Finally, let's talk next Sunday. 203 00:10:29,907 --> 00:10:32,267 Speaker 2: Let's do it mate. You have a great week. 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