1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Right now. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, Very good afternoon, 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Good afternoon, run so a bit of a telling off 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: to David Seymour and the naughty Corner. 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: It's really interesting, you know, watching the dynamic between David 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: Seymour and Chris Lackson and the house as I was 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: doing today, and when Winston used to sit beside Christopher Laxon, 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: there would be a lot of repartee going on, a 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: bit of ribbing, and Winston will be on his feet 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: every second question and firing shots across the house. But 10 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: David Seymour sits there very somber and no doubt because 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 2: he's just had a telling off by Christopher Laxon. I've 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: got to say, you know, we met, we talked about 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: this yesterday, this United Nations Special rappoteur Albert Barroom criticizing 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: not just the Treaty Principles Bill, but other aspects of 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: the way he sees Maldi being treated in this. 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: Country in the Coalition agreement. He had to crack at that. 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and even talked about the laws in New Zealand, 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: and rightly, Seymour saw that as our sovereignty in some 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: way being questioned by an amorphous body like the United Nations. 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: In fact, we've got no requirement to abide by what 21 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: he says we should be abiding by. But nevertheless, David 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: Seymour was too efficient in filing the letter off to 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: the Rapporteur, saying that this is not the New Zealand 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 2: position and Winston. I don't know whether Winston got up 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: tight about it or not. I've tried to get him today, 26 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: but well, he probably is. He probably felt that his 27 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: territory was being impinged in some way. And he's really 28 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: jealously guards the Foreign Affairs portfolio, so maybe that was 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: the case. So how do you withdraw a letter though 30 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: how it has already got. 31 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't have been a physical letter, it 32 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: would have been an email presuming blase, he's gone, there 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: it's done. You can't unfin Yes, a rappertur. 34 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: Now will be waiting for the official response from the 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: New Zealand government, not the one from the Deputy Prime 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: Minister for goodness. 37 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: Hey Shane Jones trumpeting how good he is as a resources. 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: Most Well, you've got to you've got to give it 39 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: to old Shane Jones, he claims in Parliament this afternoon 40 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 2: that investors are flocking to the resources of this country, 41 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: and we hope that is the case, because you know, 42 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: since the gas and the oil exploration permits were closed 43 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: down as one of the first acts of the coalition government. 44 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: Don't forget who was in that coalition government, Jones, But 45 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: I remember at the time Shane Jones was standing looking 46 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: very uncomfortable on the stage as they were announcing. And 47 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: in fact, it was a story that I broke that 48 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: they were going to do this and hurried. Remember they 49 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: did it out of the blue. It was just sudden. 50 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: But also they haven't yet undone it thing. They still 51 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: haven't passed the legislation to undo. 52 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: It, even though if you listen to Shane Jones' investors 53 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: are flocking. Jones said that, look, he's been talking to 54 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: various investors in the country, and Jones says he's making 55 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: the government's position clear to those potential investors in our 56 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: energy sector. 57 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 3: I have endeavored to assure investors in the resources sector 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: that we have decriminalized the coal industry, we have validated 59 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: the gas industry. We are not in the business of 60 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: visiting moral judgments upon various elements of the economy because 61 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: we remain agnostic as to how we keep the lights on. 62 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: I had the privilege of addressing a host of mining 63 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: investors professionals in Sydney. They regard the quality of leadership 64 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: that I have shown on behalf of the government of 65 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: such stature. They invited me to be a politician in Canberra. 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: Do you know that was the state of origin final 67 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: He was the happen to be there the same time, 68 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: just so quite convenient. 69 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: You've got to give it to Jones though, I and 70 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: you know he doesn't mind padding himself on the back. 71 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: And he does a good job of it. 72 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: He does. 73 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: Hey, de party Maori, how do you not furnish fully 74 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: audited accounts for two years and not get in trouble? 75 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: Well, the thing that I find absolutely extraordinary is that 76 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: the Electoral Commission filed a complaint with the police last year. 77 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 2: But don't forget there's a lot of stuff going on 78 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: behind the scenes with money involving the Maori Party and 79 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: various aspects of that election campaign in twenty and twenty three. 80 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: Now it was they were the first returns that they 81 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: should have filed, and parties have only been only been 82 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: required to file these returns over the past two years. Well, 83 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: the Maori Party the first year they filed returns but 84 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: they weren't audited. The Labor Party is in the same 85 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: position this year, but the Maori Party haven't filed anything 86 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: and they say, look, the returns are in mail. I 87 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: was talking to the Electoral Commission today. Well they've said 88 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: that before and the police, you know, they received the 89 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: complaint last year. What are they doing now. If you 90 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: look at the Electoral Act, it's an offense for a 91 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: party secretary to file a financial statement late or fail 92 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: financial statement to return one without reasonable excuse. Well, as 93 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: I said to the Electoral Commission today, well they said, 94 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 2: look one's in the mail. Is that an excuse? Of 95 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: course it's not. 96 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: And given the track record that they didn't do the 97 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: audited one last time, and they've even said, don't worry, 98 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: the audited one for last time will come with this year. 99 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to get a flood of information. Let's just 100 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: hope the police have a look very closely at this 101 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: because laws are in place to require political parties to 102 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: do this. They're in place for a reason, and if 103 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: they can flout their way back into Parliament in this way, 104 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: you've got to say what what is what is it 105 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: about the Maldi party that should be given special treatment. 106 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: Also, people will start to wonder why you don't have 107 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: audited accounts. Well, you know that would be a good question, mate, Barry, 108 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: thank you for that. Good to see you as always 109 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: and people are loving having you back. 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