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Speaker 1: Digging through the spiths to find the real storygory. It's

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Speaker 1: Heather Dupascylan Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected

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Speaker 1: news talks that'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Paul Goldsmith was

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Speaker 2: making some good and then also some really strange changes

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Speaker 2: to voting rules. He'll explain after five. Nikola Willis on

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Speaker 2: the calls for the Reserve Bank chair now to follow

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Speaker 2: Adrian or out the door, and should the politicians give

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Speaker 2: up their private health care while they're in power? Heather

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Speaker 2: Dupericy Allen, So, I'm heartened by where we've ended up

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Speaker 2: on this gnarly issue of transgender inclusion in community sport today.

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Speaker 2: This hat, I think we can all see the potential

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Speaker 2: to get pretty ugly and be pretty hurtful to some people,

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Speaker 2: but it hasn't gone there. Instead, we've taken the politics

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Speaker 2: of things, and we've ended up in a common sense place,

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Speaker 2: which is trusting adults to work through these issues themselves. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you haven't followed the back and forth on this,

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Speaker 2: I'll just bring you up to speed. Previously, the situation

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Speaker 2: was that sport New Zealand, who are in charge of

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Speaker 2: all of the sports Sport new Zealand published some guidelines

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Speaker 2: during the last labor government, and they didn't specifically. These

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Speaker 2: guidelines didn't specifically force community sports to include trans athletes,

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Speaker 2: but they made it pretty clear through associated commentary that

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Speaker 2: that was the expectation trans athletes would be included. New

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Speaker 2: did include trans athletes. Where we've ended up today is

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Speaker 2: it's different for every sport. Now I'm sure there are

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Speaker 3: Have ever dupericy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Nine two ninety two is the text number standard text

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Speaker 2: fees apply. Now Give a Little says it has shut

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Speaker 2: down multiple fundraising pages for guards and citizens because of

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Speaker 2: money laundering concerns. Ten tens of thousands of dollars that

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Speaker 2: least four pages shut down due to operational risk. Mike

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Speaker 2: Seawright is the founder of Relief eight. He still has

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Speaker 2: an active give a fundraiser for Gaza and he's with us. Hey, Mike, hi, Heather,

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Speaker 2: how are you very well? Thank you? Why have these

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Speaker 4: Well, we're only looking at this from an external perspective, Heather,

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Speaker 4: the end use of the funds will be. And while

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Speaker 4: if you look at it from a charity perspective, what's

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Speaker 4: important to us and what's important to our donors is

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Speaker 4: that when they give to us, we know exactly what's

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Speaker 3: And it is our team.

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Speaker 2: You are actually being You're taking the money from New

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Speaker 4: Exactly, and that's I think this is one of the

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Speaker 2: So I'm a little bit confused though, as to what

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Speaker 4: know what's happening on the ground? Both the problem, but

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Speaker 4: Make sure that what we intended happen, we say, well,

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Speaker 2: Mike, how are you getting water? And if the borders

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Speaker 4: This was one of the big changes we made through

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Speaker 4: So we're not crossing any borders. So what did this

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Speaker 2: Mike, I appreciate you taking the time to talk to us.

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Speaker 2: Mike see Wright, founder of Relief Ate. Fourteen past four

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Speaker 2: So the adrian Or email has come out. This is

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Speaker 2: sorry that Adrian lost his cool with you this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: to come and take my headphones off. The Darcy's headphone

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Speaker 5: I'm being compared to somebody important, then.

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Speaker 3: That'd be Yeah.

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Speaker 2: it clear that providing free food, free drink, free entertainment

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Speaker 1: Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart

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Speaker 2: Hey, you are going to want to hear how the

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Speaker 2: You're not going to believe this will run you through

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Speaker 2: it shortly. Wow, talk about bibang on the wrong side

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Heather. I heard your opinion read the voters

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Speaker 2: Paul Goldsmith can answer it when he's with us shortly

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Speaker 3: It's the World Wires on news Dogs.

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Speaker 2: He'd be drive more Epstein trouble for President and Trump.

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Speaker 8: I mean, this is a person who's been sentenced to many,

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Speaker 2: Australia has dropped its span on American beef imports. Trump

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Speaker 5: Won't take any of our beef.

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Speaker 4: They don't want it because they don't want it to

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Speaker 9: The job of the Albanezi government is to prosecute the

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Speaker 2: And finally, a British ship that fought in the American

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Speaker 10: Chio Bellahead, A very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 2: So why has Australia really dropped the ban on the beef.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think it's pretty obvious. It's certainly to gain

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Speaker 10: all sorts of tariffs against Australia. Don Farrell, the Trade

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Speaker 10: Ministry you heard there, He says, there's nothing to see here. Basically, look,

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Speaker 10: American beef's been allowed into Australia since twenty nineteen. The

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Speaker 10: beef sourced from Mexico and from Canada, slaughtered in the

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Speaker 10: United States and then shipped to Australia and around the world.

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Speaker 10: The government says there's been no compromise at all in

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Speaker 10: terms of biosecurity rules, and these rules, obviously, like New Zealand,

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Speaker 10: in place for decades to stop any threat of importing

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Speaker 10: diseases that could devastate the agricultural industries of both our countries.

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Speaker 10: Also and says it's got nothing to do with the

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Speaker 10: peasing President Trump. Oh really, it's been a long time coming.

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Speaker 10: The blanket band lifted, as I say, in twenty ninety.

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Speaker 10: The opposition over here says this and many questions have

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Speaker 10: to be answered and independent review must be done. But

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Speaker 10: Australian beef farmers are saying, guess what, it's no big

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Speaker 10: deal pull. There won't be a flood of American beef.

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Speaker 10: It'll be poorer quality and more expensive. So are we

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Speaker 10: going to be buying that? I mean, Australian bee's body

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Speaker 10: decent steak. You go to the butcher's good luck legal

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Speaker 10: lambs about forty Australian dollars these day, so.

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Speaker 10: Sudden a beef roast about forty bucks as well defeated

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Speaker 10: the family. So look, Australian it's good quality. Doesn't matter

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Speaker 10: which way the government was to cut it. It's clearly

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Speaker 10: designed in my view, to appease the Trump administration and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you make a very good point there. Now what

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Speaker 2: do you make of Scomo talking about China.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's not unrelated to the whole question about Australian beef.

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Speaker 10: alliances and partnerships that Washington has with other nations around

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Speaker 10: to be strengthened, not diminished, to better resist Chinese and

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Speaker 10: I'm quoting here Chinese economic coercion. Now, Morrison, of course

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Speaker 10: told the committee that Australia was basically single for punishment

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Speaker 10: he demanded an independent international inquiry. And where COVID came from.

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Speaker 10: He says a China belted Australia with illegal trade bands,

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Speaker 10: terms of Australian exports of wine, you know, all the

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Speaker 10: stuff that it still brought a truckload of Australian iron

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Speaker 10: but no beef, no wine. That's sort of twenty billion

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Speaker 10: dollars worth of lobsters and wine and all the rest

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Speaker 10: of the stuff in Australia selves to China anyway. Scott

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Speaker 10: Morrison says, listen, that was my experience as Prime Minister

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Speaker 10: under labor. Beijing has changed tac since Albanese has been elected.

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Speaker 10: Charm and flattery of China's weapons of choice, not just

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Speaker 10: for Australia, he says, Beijing is trying to influence public

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Speaker 10: opinion right around the world and Western democracies. Morrison, I

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Speaker 10: loved this. He said, you've got to stand up with

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Speaker 10: your mates and resist coercion. I mean whether or not

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Speaker 10: the US House a Committee on China listens to him.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Thanks so much, muz, look after yourself. Murriold's

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Speaker 2: Australia correspondent. Okay, this is what you need to watch

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Speaker 2: out for when you go to Paris. So there is

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Speaker 2: a paper in It's been a lot Contexters. For the

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Speaker 2: longest time. There has been suspicion that the Parisians rip

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Speaker 2: you off if you are a tourist, and I mean

448
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Speaker 2: any of these tourist hotspots, they go for you if

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Speaker 2: you're a tourist, right because I think you're an idiot,

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Speaker 2: especially if you sound like an American. And so what's

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Speaker 2: happened is that one of the leading papers over in

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Speaker 2: Paris decided to put this to the test. So they

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Speaker 2: got a bona fide French person and they sent them

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Speaker 2: into a cafe, and then they got another I think

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Speaker 2: I think it was one of their reporters. And then

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Speaker 2: they got another one of their reporters, and they dressed

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Speaker 2: this person up to look like an American tourist and

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Speaker 2: force this poor chap to speak in an American accent

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Speaker 2: and sent him in as well, and they ordered exactly

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Speaker 2: the same thing. They ordered water, and they ordered a

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Speaker 2: co or I think they just ordered a Coca cola.

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Speaker 2: The Parisian got given a free glass of water and

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Speaker 2: wasn't charged for it, and was given a Coca cola

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Speaker 2: for six euro fifty. The American tourist was charged six

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Speaker 2: euro for the water that the present had got for free,

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Speaker 2: and the Coca cola they were charged nine euro fifty,

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Speaker 2: which the other one had got for six euro fifty.

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Speaker 2: So the difference in the bill was well, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's more than double. Like the French person ended up

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Speaker 2: paying six euro fifty and the American tourist ended up

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Speaker 2: paying fifteen euro fifty. But and so I think that

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Speaker 2: settles that right. But that's not the only example of it.

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Speaker 2: There's another example where I think it was the same. No,

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Speaker 2: it is the same. It's the same. Two of them

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Speaker 2: then go sent to another cafe to go and see

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Speaker 2: what happens there. The French one gets the obligatory ten

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Speaker 2: percent service charge just added to their bill and they

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Speaker 2: pay it and that's the end of it. The American

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Speaker 2: one is told that they don't have to pay it,

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Speaker 2: but there's an expectation of a ten percent service charge

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Speaker 2: to the American agrees to it, but then the waiter

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Speaker 2: shields what they're doing and doesn't type in ten percent,

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Speaker 2: types in fifteen percent, and the American gets ripped off.

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Speaker 2: And there is another example of an undercover familiar ordering

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Speaker 2: a glass of Chebley which costs about or nine euro,

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Speaker 2: and gets served instead of the sap because they will

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Speaker 2: know the difference, obviously being a familiar. Instead of getting

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Speaker 2: served the Shibley at nine euro gets served the cheapest

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Speaker 2: drink on the menu five eurosav but still pays the

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Speaker 2: nine Euroshibley price. Watch out when you go to Paris,

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Speaker 2: they don't like you. Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certainy, it's fourteen away from five and Barry so Bo

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Speaker 2: our senior political correspondents with me. Hey Barry, good afternoon heaven.

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Speaker 2: So do you think these electoral changes are justified? Let's

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Speaker 2: start with the treating. The treating is fair enough, isn't

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Speaker 2: it so?

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Speaker 6: Because I think we're going to disagree here, and it's

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Speaker 6: unlike me to disagree with you here though, But treating, yes,

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Speaker 6: I do believe that. And we saw it the manue

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Speaker 6: or made last year oh sorry, last election, where people

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Speaker 6: were encouraged at the voting place to change roles and

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Speaker 6: offer often incentives to do that. And that's totally appose.

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Speaker 6: It's not democratic as bringing pressure on people when they're

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Speaker 6: about to make their democratic vote. As far as the

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Speaker 6: drop kicks turning up on the day and expecting to

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Speaker 6: vote if they're not enrolled, I think they are dropkicks.

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Speaker 6: I don't think. I think if they want to take

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Speaker 6: part in democracy, they've got under these new rules, thirteen days.

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Speaker 6: That's a couple of days before early voting starts. Now

511
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Speaker 6: that the advertising campaign will, there'll be a blitz and

512
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Speaker 6: people will be well aware that the elections not only on,

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Speaker 6: but when they should be enrolled and if they can't

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Speaker 6: get their butts into gear and enroll on time. Then

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Speaker 6: they've got themselves to blame if their vote's not counted.

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Speaker 6: The thing is either by narrowing this time down and

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Speaker 6: not allowing and rolling on the day. It means that

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Speaker 6: come election night, we'll find out the result earlier than

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Speaker 6: what we do at the moment, just about a fortnight,

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Speaker 6: and it could be up to three weeks off this

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Speaker 6: ridiculous situation.

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Speaker 2: And how much earlier would we find out?

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Speaker 6: Hopefully? You know that those special votes I guess you

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Speaker 6: know overseas voters, they have to be counted. But this

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Speaker 6: would preclude a lot of the nonsense that oh I

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Speaker 6: would imagine probably a week earlier.

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Speaker 2: Did you just make that up? What's your problem with it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what you're doing is you're punishing them for

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Speaker 2: being stupid.

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Speaker 5: Vote well you know, I mean you should punish voters.

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Speaker 2: Stupid people are allowed to have as much.

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Speaker 6: Votes. I've got to say, but I noticed that you

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Speaker 6: say it with more lean to the left. So what

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Speaker 6: you're saying is the left voters are stupid, more stupid

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Speaker 6: than those vot I have dug yourself into a hole

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Speaker 6: here as well.

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Speaker 2: So this will affect people who are predominant who move addresses. Right,

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about students, talking about we're talking about

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Speaker 2: people who are itinerant, maybe people who are.

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Speaker 6: Not making excuses for dropkicks.

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Speaker 2: I just I just don't. I just I think that

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Speaker 2: the punishment is completely disproportionate to the other.

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Speaker 6: Not allowed to vote. Well, I'll tell you what next

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Speaker 6: connection they'll be out in time.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what's happened with out here? Or why is

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Speaker 2: this a problem again?

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Speaker 6: Well, I love it because Winston can't stand the word

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Speaker 6: being used in a question in Parliament. He gets really

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Speaker 6: uptired about it. The word that he says that this

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Speaker 6: country is known as a word is New Zealand. That's

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Speaker 6: what we are, not art Roer. And there was only

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Speaker 6: ironically only one question on the order paper today that

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Speaker 6: are to roll in it, and thank goodness it wasn't

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Speaker 6: erected at Winston because he refuses to answer. Well, I've

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Speaker 6: got to say to justify his case as to why

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Speaker 6: the word should not be used instead of New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Peters quoted the New Zealand Geographic Board, which failed to

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Speaker 6: impress speak of jury.

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Speaker 9: Brownly, the board has no jurisdiction over the country name

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Speaker 9: of New Zealand And.

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Speaker 5: To change it would require an Act of Parliament and

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Speaker 5: of quotes.

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Speaker 12: Members may speak in any of the three languages at

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Speaker 12: any time. If other members do not like certain words,

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Speaker 12: they do not have to use them. In his time

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Speaker 12: serving New Zealand the capacity of Minister of Foreign Affairs,

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Speaker 12: he would have presented the New Zealand passport at various

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Speaker 12: passport stations around the world and never had questioned the

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Speaker 12: fact that our passport has the word altioa on the

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Speaker 12: front of it. That's for all of those years I

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Speaker 12: might use the term familiar with the member. Not a syllable,

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Speaker 12: not a sound, not a mutter, not a murmur, No

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Speaker 12: condemnation whatsoever from a government he was part of.

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Speaker 13: That is the end of the matter.

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Speaker 6: There you go, Wisdon take that, put that in your

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Speaker 6: pipe and smoke.

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Speaker 2: Its stupid anyway. Okay, So what do they get on

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Speaker 2: the food prices today?

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Speaker 6: Well, food prices never far away from their looks. I've

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Speaker 6: got to say. They say that when you've got nothing

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Speaker 6: else to talk about, you talk about the price of eggs. Well,

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Speaker 6: we've been talking about the price of butter. Labor's Barbara Edmunds.

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Speaker 6: I came off second best. I've got to say. When

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Speaker 6: she was ad nauseum quoting frontline service providers and throwing

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Speaker 6: their views at the Finance min as to who came

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Speaker 6: to the house, I've got to say, well armed.

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Speaker 14: Does she stand by her statements that quote, national will

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Speaker 14: take action to get food prices under control once more

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Speaker 14: unquote and if so, when will the price of butter

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Speaker 14: come down?

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Speaker 15: An evidence of our progress on this. In December twenty

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Speaker 15: twenty two, food price inflation was ten point seven percent.

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Speaker 15: In March twenty twenty three, food price inflation was eleven

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Speaker 15: point three percent. In June twenty twenty three, food price

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Speaker 15: inflation was twelve point three percent. Since being elected, our

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Speaker 15: government achieved in the March twenty four point two point

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Speaker 15: four percent food price inflation in June twenty four zero

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Speaker 15: point two percent.

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Speaker 2: TI vote, Come on hot, haven't you okay?

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Speaker 6: Barry?

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much? Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, eight away

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Speaker 2: from five, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 16: We've got the much anticipated Homelessness in Science report.

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Speaker 3: Chris Bishops, the Housing Ministry.

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Speaker 16: We know that we have a problem with rough sleeping

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Speaker 16: but you're dealing with people with often quite complex challenges.

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Speaker 16: Sometimes they've got mental health challenges, addictional challenges, traumap.

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Speaker 17: The opposition it's going to milk this and they're going

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Speaker 17: to go.

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Speaker 10: You went hard on emergency housing, you went hard on

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Speaker 10: state housing, and look what happens.

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Speaker 18: People end up in cars.

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Speaker 16: This is on you lock if emergency housing with the

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Speaker 16: antswer my ability like this. Between twenty eighteen and twenty

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Speaker 16: twenty three, a government spent one point four billion dollars

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Speaker 16: housing people in motels. We've pumped billions and billions of

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Speaker 16: dollars into kind or AURA and other programs, and homelessness increased.

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Speaker 3: So money is not necessarily the answer.

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Speaker 10: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 10: a Vida News talk.

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Speaker 2: Z b oh Well, I am very sorry to say

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Speaker 2: that Auckland Council has been wasting its time today on

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Speaker 2: the helicopter issue because they've been here, because you know that,

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Speaker 2: you know, there are some people who are very angry

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Speaker 2: at the Mobras for having the halipads set up in

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Speaker 2: westme or wherever the hell it is on that side

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Speaker 2: of things, and there are some people who want to

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Speaker 2: get rid of helicopters all together across Auckland City, and

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Speaker 2: so they've been they've been bending Auckland councils there about

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Speaker 2: it today, telling them why we need to get rid

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Speaker 2: of all of them. And boy, have they got creative

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Speaker 2: in their arguments today. Apparently I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: know this, but apparently if we let people keep building

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Speaker 2: halipads in Auckland, Auckland skies will soon be filled up

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Speaker 2: with door to door flying ubers, says Quiet Sky White

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Speaker 2: and Matar's Jeanette Budget.

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Speaker 5: Also.

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Speaker 2: Dan Matheson of the Herne Bay Residence Association told counselors

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Speaker 2: that the helicopters are really upsetting his neighbors because they

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Speaker 2: got they got leaves in their pool and all over

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Speaker 2: their deck because of the rotor wash, because the rot

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Speaker 2: washes when the helicopters do the thing with the rotors,

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Speaker 2: and then it blows the leaves around and stuff. And

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Speaker 2: the beach goers reported having their blown into the water.

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Speaker 2: And as Don said, they are under siege. So I'm

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Speaker 2: glad we're not being dramatic about things when it comes

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Speaker 2: to the helicopters. I'm glad we're all being calm and

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Speaker 2: rational about things. Anyway. Well, they're not making a decision

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Speaker 2: on it today. We have days more of this nonsense

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Speaker 2: to contend with, so I'll keep bringing you updates on

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Speaker 2: it now, Neil, quickly, as I told you, the Adrian

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Speaker 2: or letter has emerged. The email. This is the email

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Speaker 2: that Adrian's boss, Neil sent to Treasury to a Treasury

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Speaker 2: staffer to apologize for Adrian's behavior in a meeting. As

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Speaker 2: a result of this, there are now calls again for

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Speaker 2: Neil Quigley to quit his job. Resign his job because

658
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Speaker 2: he has misled the public, because he told us that

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Speaker 2: Adrian resigned in a personal decision where clearly it's not

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Speaker 2: a personal decision. He was behaving like a clown and

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Speaker 2: there was pressure on him to quit anyway. Nikola Willis

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Speaker 2: obviously as the person who ultimately I think is the

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Speaker 2: one who decides, at least politically, She's going to be

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Speaker 2: with us shortly to explain that. Paul Goldsmith on The

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Speaker 2: Dropkicks and Julie Anne on why she wants trains all

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Speaker 2: over the show again NEWSWALGSB.

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Speaker 1: Don't questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 5: That'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: The government is changing the rules around voting. Free food,

672
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Speaker 2: free drinks, free entertainment. Near voting booths are going to

673
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Speaker 2: be banned and same day enrollments are gone, which means

674
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Speaker 2: that you can't vote unless you remember to enroll before

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Speaker 2: voting starts. Paul Goldsmith as the Justice Minister, High Paul

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Speaker 2: hi Hen, very well, thank you. These rules around treating

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Speaker 2: that's to avoid a repeat of the manere Wami situation.

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Speaker 17: Right, Well, that sort of thing. Yes, I mean, obviously

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Speaker 17: it's important that we have the rules that are robust

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Speaker 17: and worked and so we're just amping them up a bit.

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Speaker 2: And why are you changing the rules around voting on

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Speaker 2: election day and in advanced voting.

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Speaker 17: Well, look, fundamentally you were acall that we had to

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Speaker 17: wait three weeks to get an out the final outcome

685
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Speaker 17: of the election last time. It always used to take

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Speaker 17: two weeks. It's gone to three. And the advice I

687
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 17: was getting was if we didn't do anything, we're hitting

688
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Speaker 17: going to struggle to even make three might be onto four.

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Speaker 17: And it's putting a lot of pressure on the system.

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Speaker 17: And what's happened over the last few years is the people.

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Speaker 17: More and more people have been enrolling on election day

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Speaker 17: or just before, and that all has to be sorted

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Speaker 17: out before they can do the vote counting. And so

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Speaker 17: we're just having to get the system sustainable because we

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Speaker 17: want you know, we're proud of our electoral system. We

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Speaker 17: wanted to work.

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Speaker 2: Well, how many people would do this? Is Labor correct

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Speaker 2: to say it's about one hundred and ten thousand people?

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Speaker 17: Well, yeah, about one hundred thousand people enrolled on election

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Speaker 17: day and you you could never used to be able

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Speaker 17: to do that. It was only a couple of five

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Speaker 17: years ago that Labor introduced election day enrollments. So look,

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Speaker 17: we're perfectly confident people with a clear message, No, you've

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Speaker 17: got to get enrolled earlier. We'll be able to do it,

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Speaker 17: but we need to send that clear message.

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Speaker 2: Is that one hundred thousand is that election day and

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Speaker 2: advanced voting.

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Speaker 17: Or just election day no election day?

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Speaker 2: So geez, it could be a lot bigger than that

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Speaker 2: if you count the two weeks of advanced voting as well.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, there's a sort of a probably two or

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Speaker 17: three hundred thousand people that have gotten into the habit

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Speaker 17: of doing that, and so we've just got to change

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Speaker 17: the way.

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Speaker 2: For do we not run the risk that two to

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Speaker 2: three one hundred thousand people forget or expect the same

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Speaker 2: kind of behavior as last time and just do not

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Speaker 2: get the chance to vote.

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Speaker 17: Well, I mean that's I mean one of the core

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Speaker 17: roles of the electoral commissioners to encourage people to get enrolled,

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Speaker 17: and that they've got plenty of millions of dollars to

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Speaker 17: do that, and they will. I mean the Aussie's you know,

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Speaker 17: they close their role twenty six days before the election,

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Speaker 17: and you know, so if the Aussies can manage it,

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Speaker 17: I'm sure we can.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we just get more people counting the votes

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Speaker 2: to get through it faster?

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Speaker 17: Well, it already costs nearly three hundred million dollars over

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Speaker 17: three years.

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Speaker 2: So come on, that's not all the counting people with

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Speaker 2: that expensive Well, how much to the counting people cost?

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Speaker 17: Well, there's a lot of them, and that's a broader issue.

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Speaker 17: We need to get some better technology in terms of

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Speaker 17: vote counting.

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Speaker 2: Are sure this is a good idea, Paul? It doesn't

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Speaker 2: sound like a good idea.

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Speaker 17: Oh, I think it's a perfectly good idea. In the UK,

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Speaker 17: it's twelve days before election day. There's many countries do this.

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Speaker 17: You send a clear signal if you want to engage,

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Speaker 17: you want to vote, you make sure you're enrolled. It's

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Speaker 17: actually legal. You are required legally to enroll within one

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Speaker 17: month of any change of circumstances. And we're also changing

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Speaker 17: the rules so that they can automatically update enrollment so

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Speaker 17: it's easier for people. It's all just about trying to

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Speaker 17: get the system as efficient as we can so we

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Speaker 17: can get an outcome sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you appreciate it, Paul Goldsmith, Justice Minister.

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Speaker 3: Heather due for see Allen.

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Speaker 2: There is yet another revelation about Adrian or and emails

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Speaker 2: now being released in which his boss Neil Quigley apologizes

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Speaker 2: to a Treasury staffer about U's behavior in a meeting

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Speaker 2: which happened two weeks before he quit. Neil Quigley says,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry Adrian lost is call with you this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: He should have been able to give you a more

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Speaker 2: dispassionate answer.

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Speaker 15: Now.

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Speaker 2: This has led to renewed calls for Neil Quigley to

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Speaker 2: leave his job for misleading the public because he said

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Speaker 2: Adrianaw's resignation was actually a personal decision. Nikola Willis is

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Speaker 2: the Finance Minister and with us now high Nikoler, Hello,

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Speaker 2: When we you informed that there were concerns about Adrianaw's.

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Speaker 15: Behavior, Well, I was obviously aware that emotions were running

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Speaker 15: high about discussions over the funding agreement and how that

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Speaker 15: those were progressing. I was aware that the former governor

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Speaker 15: was uncomfortable with the way those discussions were progressing. And

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Speaker 15: I also became aware that he and the bank board

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Speaker 15: had differing views about how much funding was necessary for

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Speaker 15: the bank to meet it's Yes, but I.

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Speaker 2: Mean how different opinions is different to concerns about behavior.

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Speaker 2: When we you told about concerns about behavior.

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Speaker 15: Well, I had heard reports that there had been a

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Speaker 15: meeting with the Treasury in which emotions ran high. But

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Speaker 15: I was not at that meeting, and it was clear

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Speaker 15: to me in my meeting with Adrian Or that emotions

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Speaker 15: were running high.

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Speaker 2: Did he swear in front of you? No, there was

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Speaker 2: no swearing in the meeting that you were in.

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Speaker 18: No.

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Speaker 2: Was there swearing in the Treasury meeting.

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Speaker 15: Not that I am aware of.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did he quit amid these concerns about his behavior?

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Speaker 15: Well, obviously, as I have communicated previously, Adrian Or made

783
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Speaker 15: a decision to resign. The employment discussions that preceded that

784
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Speaker 15: that occurred between him and the Reserve Bank Board. I

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Speaker 15: was not a party too, and so I am very

786
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Speaker 15: conscious of the independence of the Reserve Bank and its

787
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Speaker 15: position as the employer both of the former governor and

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Speaker 15: the future government governor, and it's very important I respect

789
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Speaker 15: their independence. The second constraint is that I have had

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Speaker 15: throughout this, I've been very conscious that my public commentary,

791
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Speaker 15: my observations, my speculation could potentially create legal or financial

792
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Speaker 15: risk for New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Tax Adrian Or may sue you, as in.

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Speaker 15: There is an employment relationship that existed between Adrian Or

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Speaker 15: and the Reserve Bank Board, and as you well know,

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Speaker 15: employment matters are always very sensitive through that employment relationship.

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Speaker 2: No, has he threatened to sue the Reserve Bank.

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Speaker 15: No on the public No, I am not. So this

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Speaker 15: is on the public record. An exit agreement was reached

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Speaker 15: between the Reserve Bank Board and the former governor. I

801
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Speaker 15: have not been informed of the terms of that agreement,

802
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Speaker 15: but I am conscious that as the employer, they have

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Speaker 15: obligations to their former employee.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Nicholas, So I have known about concerns about adrian

805
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Speaker 2: Or's behavior for probably I would say three years, from

806
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Speaker 2: the highest levels of the Reserve Bank. When were you

807
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Speaker 2: first informed of concerns around adrian Or's behavior.

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Speaker 15: Well, when I was in opposition, I heard the same

809
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Speaker 15: speculation that you did.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And when you became the Finance minister, when were

811
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Speaker 2: you first informed? Because Treasury has to inform you of

812
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Speaker 2: the stuff, when did they first tell you that there

813
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Speaker 2: were concerns?

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Speaker 15: I did not have the formal reports of that nature.

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Speaker 2: Not from Treasury. What about from Reserve Bank?

816
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Speaker 15: I had not had formal reports of nature. It is

817
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Speaker 15: on the public record, however, that I was made aware

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Speaker 15: of a complaint by an employee at the New Zealand Initiative,

819
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Speaker 15: and that I took that complaint forward to the chair

820
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Speaker 15: of the Reserve Bank Board because I viewed that it

821
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Speaker 15: went to an employment relationship. And I've been at pains

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Speaker 15: Heather not to get involved.

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Speaker 2: No, I understand.

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Speaker 15: Actually the flip side of all of this, The thing

825
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Speaker 15: is that Master Finance gets into the employment relationship between

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Speaker 15: the Reserve Bank Board and the governor. That is an

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Speaker 15: inappropriate over Nichola.

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Speaker 2: It is becoming increasingly difficult to believe that the reason

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Speaker 2: that Adrian Orquitt was just because he had just made

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Speaker 2: a personal decision one day. It is starting to look

831
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Speaker 2: incredibly like something has gone down here with his behavior. So,

832
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Speaker 2: given that Neil Quigley has told us, and I would,

833
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Speaker 2: I would go so far as to say he's misled

834
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Speaker 2: us by saying it was a personal decision, do you

835
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Speaker 2: have confidence in Neil Quigley if he is prepared to

836
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: go out there and fib to the public.

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Speaker 15: Like that, Well, those are your words, not mine, and yes,

838
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Speaker 15: I do have confidence in Neil quickly. I have also, however,

839
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Speaker 15: previously shared my disappointment at the way information on this

840
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Speaker 15: matter has been shared with New Zealanders. Today I had

841
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Speaker 15: apprecieduled meeting with the entire board of the Reserve Bank,

842
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Speaker 15: and at that meeting I sought to convey to everyone

843
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Speaker 15: present that I was disappointed with the way that this

844
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Speaker 15: matter had been handled, given the ongoing public speculation. Because

845
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Speaker 15: it's in New Zealand's interests that the Reserve Bank maintain

846
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Speaker 15: its reputation at all times, and I think would be

847
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 15: for handling, we wouldn't still be having these interviews this discussion.

848
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Speaker 2: Why did Adrian or quit Nicola.

849
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Speaker 15: Well, that is a matter that has been previously communicated

850
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Speaker 15: by the Chairman of the Reserve Bank, and I allow

851
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Speaker 15: him to characterize that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much, appreciate your time. That's Nicola

853
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Speaker 2: Willius the Finance Minister. Now did want to talk to

854
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Speaker 2: you about Miles Hurele. He's held the press conference about

855
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: the price of button all. We'll have to deal with

856
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: it later sixteen past five. Hey, just a reminder if

857
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Speaker 2: you're wanting to buy yourself a BYD Shark six, and

858
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: frankly you should. I'm driving one. They are awesome, Or

859
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: if you want a BYDC Lion six, get your wriggle

860
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 2: on because while the five thousand dollars your way deal

861
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: has been extended, you only have about seven days because

862
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: it ends thirty one July. That's not far away, is it.

863
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Speaker 2: That's five thousand dollars, by the way, that you can spend.

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Speaker 2: However you want to accessorize your vehicle and make it

865
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: your own. You've got endless ways to soup up the

866
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Speaker 2: Shark sixt You've got the canopies, the hard lids, the bullbars,

867
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: the rubber mats, and then with the Sea Lion six.

868
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Speaker 2: You got the rubber mats and the protection packs and

869
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: the roof raxen more and you have got a lot

870
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: of options, including just taking five thousand dollars straight off

871
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: the retail price. Heaps of people have already picked up

872
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Speaker 2: on the deal. Last month, the Shark six ute was

873
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Speaker 2: the third best selling ute in New Zealand, which is

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Speaker 2: pretty incredible because it's only been on the market here

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Speaker 2: for six months. So get on to it. Check out

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Speaker 2: byd auto dot co dot nz.

877
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Speaker 3: Ever due for see Ellen Heather.

878
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Speaker 2: I'm just glad Adriana has gone, oh look we all

879
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: are let's be honest. Twenty past five. Now the Green

880
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: Party wants lots of trains again. The Transport spokesperson Julianngenta

881
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 2: has launched a petition calling for the restoration of passenger

882
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 2: rail around the country and is with us. Hi, Julianne Kyodra,

883
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Speaker 2: how are you going good?

884
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Speaker 3: Thanks?

885
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Speaker 2: Where do you want it?

886
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 19: Well, we're here in Torona today, so we're calling to

887
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Speaker 19: extend to who are services to be from Toronger, including

888
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 19: Hamilton and Auckland. We've also talked about a night train

889
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 19: between Auckland and Wellington with Modern Come triple sleeper cars

890
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 19: and the southerner down in the South Island probably crash

891
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 19: Church to Dunedin in the first instance.

892
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 2: And how much would that all cost.

893
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 19: Well, in the short term, there's some operating costs, like

894
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 19: we could get to who you extended to Torona for

895
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Speaker 19: maybe two million a year two and a half million

896
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Speaker 19: a year, So we budgeted ten million over four years,

897
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Speaker 19: but it's going to be a bit.

898
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Speaker 2: More to get the long term total budget, which.

899
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Speaker 19: Would be well, total budget for all the projects, including

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00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 19: like a transformational improvement to the round network, which would

901
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 19: mean a two and a half hour train journey between

902
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Speaker 19: Torang and Auckland, is about five and a half billion

903
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 19: over five years.

904
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Speaker 15: So that's camps and operating.

905
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 2: That's a lot more than I was expecting. Like I

906
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: was gearing up for like a cool one to two

907
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: and I was going to I was going to call

908
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: bs on that, but five and a half Hey, where

909
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: you going to get that money?

910
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 19: Well, it's less than twenty percent of what the government's

911
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 19: currently planned to spend on its expensive highways program. And

912
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 19: there's a lot of potential funding methods, Like you know,

913
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Speaker 19: because obviously rail development, if you're doing really transformation or

914
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Speaker 19: rail development. It's uplifting property values and it's usually leading

915
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Speaker 19: to a lot of development, so that would be one

916
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Speaker 19: of the tools. But basically in our budget, you know,

917
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 19: I don't know if you saw, we had a fully

918
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 19: costed oh budget and now a week before budget. Yeah,

919
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 19: so we we had some increases in taxation, but most

920
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 19: of the transport spend was coming from a reduction in

921
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 19: some of the planned kapex on highways. And the great

922
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 19: thing about investing in rail is it not only benefits

923
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 19: the people who take the train, it actually benefits the

924
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 19: roads as well.

925
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, because there are a few people anyway. Listen, wonderful idea.

927
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Juliane, appreciate it, Julie engine too, Green Party

928
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: transport spokesperson. Not going to happen obviously, five twenty two.

929
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Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy lan

930
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Speaker 1: drive one New Zealand, let's get connected and us talk.

931
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Speaker 2: Sa'd be heither do I put my boat on the

932
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Speaker 2: shelf above my seat when I'm catching the train to

933
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Speaker 2: my batch and Totinger. Don't even do that, Cameron, you

934
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: will just rip Julianne's undease completely. Now five twenty five

935
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: let's be honest with each other about something.

936
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Speaker 3: Right.

937
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: That increase in in rough sleeping that the cities are

938
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: anecdotally reporting to that Homelessness report will be caused by

939
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: the shutting down of those emergency motels. I mean, I

940
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: know the government's trying to avoid having to admit that,

941
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: but that is the big thing that's changed since the election.

942
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: They've shut down the motels, and some of the people

943
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Speaker 2: who were in those motels, or who might have gone

944
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: to those motels, have ended up on the streets. And

945
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Speaker 2: I don't think that that's unexpected, that that is not

946
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: an unexpected consequence of taking a tougher line on the motels. Now,

947
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: don't see me as tough, like hard hearted on this.

948
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone sleeping on the streets, and I

949
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: venture most of us don't. But I still think that

950
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: shutting down those motels was a good idea because that

951
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: was out of hand, wasn't it. I mean, spending one

952
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: point four billion dollars on emergency accommodation in six years

953
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: was just way too much money. I prefer that I

954
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: prefer the line the government's taking at the moment, which

955
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: is to put the obligation where it actually should be,

956
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: which is on family and friends, Which is to say

957
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: that if someone finds themselves god forbid, without a roof

958
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: over their heads, the first place that they should go

959
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: for help is not the state. It should be their

960
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: mum or their brother, or their auntie, or their son

961
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: or their friend. And only then when all of their

962
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: options are exhausted and they really have no one to

963
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: turn to, then should they turn to the state. But

964
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: that is not what was happening with the emergency motels.

965
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: The state was the first port of call right if

966
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: you think about it, Actually, the state has stepped in

967
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: to take over a lot of roles that we normally

968
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: would have relied on each other for and in some

969
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: cases the sun avoidable and in some cases for the best,

970
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: for example police or whatever. But in this case, let's

971
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: be honest, one point four billion dollars is a lot

972
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: of money that could have been spent on anything else

973
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: that we are running dry on right now, healthcare, cops, education.

974
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: So actually, first place you turn to if you don't

975
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: have somewhere to sleep is your family. Only at the

976
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: end of the road should the state step in here

977
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 2: the heather, Why are you still banging on about Adrian

978
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: Or he quit months ago. You're making a fool of yourself. Listen,

979
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: none of us want to be None of us want

980
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: to be banging on about Adrian. All right, I don't

981
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: want to be banging on about Adrian Or. But the

982
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: problem is there's so much dishonesty here, and there's so

983
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: much evidence now that there was a concerted effort to

984
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: try to hide what really happened here. That is kind

985
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: of forcing us into banging on about it. And also,

986
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: it's not just a random ministry. It's the Reserve Bank.

987
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: He's the Reserve he was the Reserve Bank governor. It's

988
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 2: supposed to be a political and you're supposed to trust

989
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: the guy implicitly. Anyway, I feel like that's a that's

990
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: enough Adrian Or for now, isn't it? We talk about

991
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: something else. Have you seen Sasha Baron Cohen's body? Now,

992
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: I mean from one extreme to the other, Adrian or

993
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: his body to Sasha Baron Cohen's body. Have you seen

994
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: his body? Go and google it. Cover of Men's Fitness UK.

995
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: He's oiled up, he's got the abs, he's pump and iron.

996
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 2: It's right, pump it up. Bands posing at the gym

997
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 2: he's hard launched his midlife crisis, he says, but say

998
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: you what that'll bring a smile to your dial. News

999
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 2: is next?

1000
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: Who After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.

1001
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: It's Heather due to Cellen drive with one New Zealand

1002
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: let's get connected news talks.

1003
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 10: There'd be.

1004
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: Huddle was standing by to be with us shortly. Oh,

1005
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: by the way, Mark Peterson is the chap who's been

1006
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: running the inns of X for the past three while

1007
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: the CEO. He's decided to do that thing and quick

1008
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: while you're up, so quick while you're ahead. So he's

1009
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 2: going to chat us through that when he's with us

1010
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: after six o'clock, Heather, why doesn't Mikey Schumann do something

1011
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: useful in doorstop Adrian or actually that is not a

1012
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: bad idea, Steve, I do need to talk about Miles

1013
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: Harral at some stage. We'll do it before this half

1014
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: hours through. It's twenty four away from six now. There

1015
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: are calls for all MP's and their families to give

1016
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: up private health insurance while they're in office so that

1017
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: they have skin in the game when they're making decisions

1018
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: about the public health system. Doctor Marcus Lee is the

1019
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: spokesperson for the group of doctors calling for this, and

1020
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: it's with us.

1021
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 20: Hey, Marcus God, how are you going?

1022
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 21: Heather?

1023
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: Very well? Thank you. Are you guy serious about this?

1024
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 20: Yes, we are. We're absolutely serious. We want our politicians

1025
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 20: to show some accountability in the disease that they make.

1026
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,479
Speaker 20: They want some integrity and we want them to show

1027
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 20: that they have got some skin in the game.

1028
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Well what about the kids though, I mean, does

1029
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: it really have to affect the MP's kids.

1030
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 20: Well, it's personal for us, it's personal for a lot

1031
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 20: of kiwis. You know, they make policy decisions that affect

1032
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 20: a lot of people in New Zealand. Sure, so it

1033
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 20: is personal.

1034
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: Have any of the MP's actually committed to doing this,

1035
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: not to my knowledge? Now, have you got private healthcare?

1036
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: No? I do not.

1037
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 22: Why not kind of ford it?

1038
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 20: We've had I've got previous medical issues, so I kind

1039
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 20: of thought it.

1040
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, this is actually the part of the problem,

1041
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: isn't it? Like there will be some MPs now who

1042
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: have medical issues and if they give up their private

1043
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: health care for the sake of appeasing some people, they

1044
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: may never be able to get it again. Is it

1045
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 2: worth it?

1046
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 20: Well, they don't have to give it up. They just

1047
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 20: have to wave their rights to private health care.

1048
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 2: That's so they keep on paying for it. But then

1049
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: then they only exclusively use the public health system.

1050
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 20: Yeah, I think that that means that they actually have

1051
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 20: some skin in the game, isn't it? Like Simon Brown says,

1052
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 20: he doesn't have private insudance and I respect him for that,

1053
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 20: So he should just say make it policy. Now you

1054
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 20: know he's got nothing. There's no barrier to it.

1055
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: Enough.

1056
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: Okay, what is the what has brought this on for you?

1057
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: Guys?

1058
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: What is it that's frustrated you to the point that

1059
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 2: you've decided to launch this open letter.

1060
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 20: We're just frustrated and tire with basions still with long,

1061
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 20: long times to be seen. We have severe stuffing pressures

1062
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 20: in our hospitals. We're about to close. I think Pulple Hospital,

1063
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 20: isn't it, And there's a growing delease and trying to

1064
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 20: get specialist level care.

1065
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Marcus, thanks very much, appreciate it. Marcus Marcus Lee,

1066
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: doctor Marcus Lee, Northland, cardiologist, spokesperson for Open Letter Writers.

1067
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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes

1068
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1069
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Speaker 2: On the huddle this evening' got Allie Jones, read PR

1070
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Speaker 2: fellow Riley Iron Partners and former boss of business in New Zealand.

1071
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Speaker 3: Hire you too, Hey you do?

1072
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Speaker 2: I go, Ali, what do you think? Good idea?

1073
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Speaker 3: No?

1074
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 23: In fact, I can't even believe that you did that interview, Heather.

1075
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 23: I've never heard of anything so ridiculous in my life.

1076
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 23: I mean, what next? Are they going to make their

1077
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 23: kids go to state schools so that you know, their

1078
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 23: kids can experience you know, state schools, so.

1079
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: Actually allies get and angelo they can send their kids

1080
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: to public schools too.

1081
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 23: Oh, how bloody ridiculous. What are they going to do?

1082
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 23: Make them move into low socioeconomic housing areas as well,

1083
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 23: sell their cars so they've got to walk and catch

1084
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 23: the train that Julianne's banging on about. No, I mean,

1085
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 23: all this is is just basically trying to get into

1086
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 23: the news. And I'm really pleased that they have, but

1087
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Speaker 23: it's a ridiculous idea.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Phil, Yeah, I think with the sun and there's

1089
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 11: somewhere forty percent, call zero percent of all New Zealanders

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00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 11: have some sort of health insurance, which demonstrates what they're

1091
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 11: saying is completely wrong. That cannot be by definition only

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Speaker 11: wealthy New Zealanders. It must be working people and so on.

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Speaker 11: And of course what's also happening is that health insurance

1094
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 11: is not just for its for sorts of things, whether

1095
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 11: it's for dental care or for major medical emergency and

1096
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 11: so on. And then if she helps New Zealand. In Australia,

1097
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 11: they take this so seriously that they give you an

1098
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 11: tax incentive to go and get private health insurance because

1099
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 11: they know that that takes pressure off the public system.

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00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 11: So it's a silly thing to say. And I think

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00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 11: actually we should be proud that New Zealanders and such

1102
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 11: numbers are prepared to take out an investment on making

1103
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 11: sure that they just get the best care they possibly

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Speaker 11: can they want.

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Speaker 23: The should celebrate phil I think you know and have

1106
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 23: this is something people aren't talking about. It's not only

1107
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 23: the politicians that make these decisions, which is what you know.

1108
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 23: These people are wanting the politicians to be aware of

1109
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 23: what the public health systems like. Are you going to

1110
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 23: make all the bureaucrats that write the reports and feed

1111
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 23: into the policy, You're going to make them experience the

1112
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 23: public health system as well? It doesn't make sense.

1113
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 3: I think.

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00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: And the thing I suppose that it seems to feel

1115
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: that they believe that politicians are not motivated by trying

1116
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: to do the best thing for the country, right, Like

1117
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: the insinuation there is if they don't have skin in

1118
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: the game, then they're going to make crappy decisions for us,

1119
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 2: whereas if they have skin in the game, they'll actually try.

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Speaker 2: But I believe politicians, even if I disagree with them,

1121
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: are actually trying.

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Speaker 11: Don't you think it's exactly right? That's what it's a stunt.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I don't know have a single politician of

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00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 11: any for I don't have many, many thousands, probably over

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00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 11: the years now that didn't take these kinds of things

1126
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 11: seriously and didn't what we'ren't trying to do their very

1127
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 11: best for New Zealanders. They've got three different views.

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Speaker 3: About how to do that.

1129
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Speaker 11: But of course what we all need to understand is

1130
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 11: we want money, lots of money spent on all sorts

1131
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 11: of things, and the nature of politics is it's about choices,

1132
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 11: and literally it's about rationing. We can't have a four

1133
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 11: lane highway were either, because politicians are rationing in a

1134
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 11: pretty rational fashion. Usually, how that money might be spent,

1135
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 11: and I think we should give them a bit more

1136
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 11: respect than that allow them to carry on their private lives,

1137
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 11: and they should call them to account for the performance

1138
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 11: that they have about creating a great health system rather

1139
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 11: than some performative thing some stunt about whether they have

1140
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 11: private insurance or not.

1141
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Speaker 2: Right now, Alie, do you think people who who don't

1142
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: remember to enroll before voting day should be prohibited from voting?

1143
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 4: No?

1144
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 23: I don't, but I really hate that comment from Seymour.

1145
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 23: I mean, who uses words like dropkick these days? And

1146
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 23: you know these people are meant to be professional and statesman.

1147
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 23: But I heard that and just cringed, and he's just

1148
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 23: opening himself up and the argument actually to huge criticism.

1149
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 23: I do agree with Missus Goldsmith talking about how this

1150
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 23: takes the pressure off come election day. I mean, we

1151
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 23: saw it last time. It just takes a long time

1152
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 23: to process everything when you're also processing so many people,

1153
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 23: you know, enrolling on the day.

1154
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: So I do support it, Phil.

1155
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's the right thing to do. Bear

1156
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 11: in mind Australia that she is twice as long even

1157
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 11: what's out on forwardeen days now, Australias got twenty eight

1158
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 11: and I think the voting. Voting is not just a right,

1159
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 11: it's also a responsibility. And I think to take you,

1160
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 11: do you.

1161
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: Realize how many people might lose the ability to vote

1162
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: as a result of this, well stupidity.

1163
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 11: But still I don't think it's I don't think it's

1164
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 11: going to be that big because human nature, you can't

1165
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 11: wait till the last minute to enroll, and it's the

1166
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 11: last one of the sporting days out not on the day.

1167
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 11: I think you'll find quite a few more people will

1168
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 11: actually get roll.

1169
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. I mean people will see the deadline

1170
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: and some of them will get their a energy. But

1171
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 2: what if it is fill as big as three hundred

1172
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: thousand people, which Paul Goldsmith was a number that he

1173
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: pulled out, that's massive.

1174
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 11: Well fish, I doubt it is that big. But even

1175
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 11: if it is, as I say, voting is a responsibility

1176
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 11: as well as a right. If you're not prepared to

1177
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 11: take the responsibility, teeshy, look at what the policies are

1178
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 11: to register yourself in good time and to enable the

1179
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 11: electoral result to be known more quickly than was the

1180
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 11: case last time. They I don't think that's good for

1181
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 11: the country either.

1182
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 23: It's not part of our life though, right, why aren't

1183
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 23: we teaching civics and schools? I mean that's another thing.

1184
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 23: People don't understand what's going on, and I.

1185
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 11: Think it was.

1186
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 23: Actually if it was actually a part of our curriculum,

1187
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 23: then people would be able to carry that through into

1188
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:51,959
Speaker 23: adulthood and they might enroll.

1189
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: You don't think people already know Ali, They see the

1190
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 2: Orange Man, they know that that's part of the job

1191
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: that I think they just can't be.

1192
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 23: They know that they don't care. You're right, they don't care.

1193
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 23: But what I'm saying is, if you're teaching civics and

1194
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 23: school you can actually explain to people how important it

1195
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 23: is the exercise that democratic right.

1196
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 2: Okay, I see I am going soft to my old age.

1197
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: Will take a break, come back and talk about should

1198
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: we ao ao not Australian open think about it? Sixteen

1199
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the Ones

1201
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: for Unmasked Results.

1202
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: Whither you have become soft. You shouldn't have read Justinder's book.

1203
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: That was my mistake, Dennis, that was bang on. That

1204
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: was my mistake. She's gotten to my head. Actually, I'll

1205
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: talk about a book I'm reading in just a minute, Phil, Okay,

1206
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: do we want to talk about Adrian All.

1207
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 11: If you want?

1208
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: Should Neil quickly could well?

1209
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 11: Is the just the whole thing was just a mess,

1210
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 11: wasn't it? The who way the whole thing was handled.

1211
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 11: So where I think Neil Quickly should be considering how

1212
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 11: he reacted and what he should do about it was

1213
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 11: not necessarily because maybe someone misfit, maybe he didn't disclose

1214
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 11: something was the whole process was a bit of a mess,

1215
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 11: and it shouldn't have been because, of course, the confidence

1216
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 11: of the financial markets is very much defined by the

1217
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 11: Reserve Bank being seen as very stable and above board.

1218
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 11: So it was the whole way the thing was treated

1219
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 11: that I think got everybody in trouble. And the fact

1220
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 11: we're still raking over the coals just demonstrate.

1221
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: But the only reason we're raking over the coals fill

1222
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: because they didn't tell us everything up front, right, And

1223
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: then you go you OIA the Treasury, you get a

1224
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: whole bunch of documents, but you don't get this, and

1225
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: you go back in u o IA again. Now you

1226
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 2: get this email. It's a it's just it really is

1227
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: making them look like they tried to hide it.

1228
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 11: Well, that's exactly right. And whether they did or not,

1229
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 11: and I, you know, I had a lot of trust

1230
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 11: and faith in near Quickly is a very high quality

1231
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 11: New Zealander. But that sort of process is just unacceptable

1232
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 11: in a public position of the type that the Reserve

1233
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,959
Speaker 11: Bank governor is, you know, So you can't just hide

1234
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 11: behind privacy and say, wollw I'm not going to see here. No,

1235
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 11: you need to explain to the markets and to everybody else,

1236
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 11: because the reserve banks so important at all of our lives,

1237
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 11: exactly what happened in otherwise you'll get people not having

1238
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 11: confidence in the Reserve Bank. So that's really what I

1239
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 11: think You'll Quickly and the Board of the Reserve Bank

1240
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 11: should be thinking about did we do that right? What

1241
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 11: should be the consequences of that? And there's that matter resignation.

1242
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 11: I don't know the answer the question, but that's really

1243
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 11: the conversation I think, rather than you know, was there

1244
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 11: a misleading conversation about a particular statement that was made?

1245
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 2: Alie, what do you think?

1246
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 23: Yeah, look, I agree, Look I think this is front footing.

1247
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 23: Now I think that they were I mean, if I

1248
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 23: was advising them, they need to come out. It needs

1249
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 23: to be in their culpra. I don't think this is

1250
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 23: a sackable offense. I get very tired of people wanting

1251
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 23: people's heads on sticks. People make mistakes, and I think

1252
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 23: this was a mistake. It was poorly handled, as you said, Phil,

1253
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 23: but I think now they need to come out and

1254
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 23: say that and own it and allow everyone to move on.

1255
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 23: And by not actually doing that, as you said earlier here,

1256
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 23: that this is just going on and on and on

1257
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 23: enough already.

1258
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with that. Right now, I'm feeling reasonably

1259
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: chuffed with ourselves, with all of us collectively filth for

1260
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: the way that we've handled the transgender rules. Are the inclusive,

1261
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: you know, the participation in community sport without it getting ugly.

1262
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1263
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think we have actually we managed to dodge

1264
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 11: I think you you're right about dodging a bottle of

1265
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 11: this because in other countries of the UK, of the

1266
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 11: US and so on, it's just turned into a mess.

1267
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 11: And I actually agree what the government's trying to do here,

1268
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 11: even that, even if I wasn't trying to be anti woke,

1269
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 11: you know, in the way that they are will certainly

1270
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 11: the New Zealand first, guys are because I think it

1271
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 11: should be down to a decision of the sport, given

1272
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 11: the kind of the best basic nature of each individual sport.

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01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 11: And I was thinking this afternoon, there's a big difference

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Speaker 11: between rugby on the one hand, a contact sport, and snooker.

1275
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 11: So maybe if you're the head of the snooker sport,

1276
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 11: you say, well, here's here's some rules, because it doesn't

1277
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 11: matter so much. But in the case of rugby, there's

1278
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 11: a physical safety issue involved, so you can have a

1279
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 11: different think about that. And I think so I think

1280
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 11: it should be that left down to each individual sport,

1281
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 11: but I think the overarching thing should be that people

1282
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 11: should be able to participate. Of course, that's the idea,

1283
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 11: but you know, the different sports act in different ways,

1284
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 11: and so you've just got to I think it's the

1285
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 11: right thing that comments, don't you.

1286
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ali, I agree, And at least you know it

1287
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: didn't go full ugly like it was going to go

1288
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: with Winston Peters wanted to withhold funding and stuff like that.

1289
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Speaker 23: Ah No, I agree, but and I agree with you

1290
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 23: as well, and Phil, I think they have dodged a bullet.

1291
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 23: But my question is I'm going to sound like Luckxon. Now,

1292
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 23: my question to you is should we have dodged the bullet?

1293
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 23: Is this about dodging a bullet? What I get frustrated

1294
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 23: about is that no one seems to be prepared to

1295
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 23: have a conversation about these things. And the more we

1296
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 23: dodge the bullet and the more we don't talk about it,

1297
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 23: the more we don't actually get it out into the ore.

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Speaker 2: We aren't going to have the conversation because every single

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Speaker 2: sport is going to have to have the conversation, right,

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Speaker 2: so the hard stuff actually out ahead?

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Speaker 23: Yes, yeah, but is that fair too? I mean by

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Speaker 23: removing the guidelines, you're essentially going not our problem and

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Speaker 23: handing it over to each individual group. Now, is it

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Speaker 23: fair for each individual group and their community to be

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Speaker 23: able to or have to be dealing with it in

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Speaker 23: their community.

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Speaker 2: Politicians can't just make one rule for as Phil was saying,

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Speaker 2: rugby that also applies to snooker.

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Speaker 23: No, and you don't have to. So the guidelines should

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Speaker 23: have taken that into consideration. I think this is really

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Speaker 23: slack of the government. Yeah, I think they should have

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Speaker 23: provided the guidelines and then allow the organization some movement

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Speaker 23: within those. But the conversation's got to be had. We

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Speaker 23: can't keep dodging the bullet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, listen, Yes, I think it's I.

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Speaker 11: Think it's the best handled closest to those participating in

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Speaker 11: the sport bureaucrats in Wellington deciding what sugar should not

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Speaker 11: happen actually is what leads to those kinds of arguments.

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Speaker 11: I think it's much better to be done by sports

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Speaker 11: people and by sports administrators closer to the action, closer

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Speaker 11: to their communities, and they'll see what's acceptable to their

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Speaker 11: communities and they'll be able to handle that. So I

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Speaker 11: actually think it's the right thing to do, not just

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Speaker 11: in terms of result of getting it out, but also

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Speaker 11: in terms of resolving it.

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Speaker 2: Guys, lovely to chat to the pair of you. Thank you, Pillo, Riley,

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Speaker 2: Alli Jones, the huddle this evening. Hither they teach civics

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Speaker 2: in American high school? That's gone well, hasn't it? I

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Speaker 2: ate away from.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I was speaking of just In this book.

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Speaker 2: So Laura the German is reading just In this book

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Speaker 2: and she agrees with me just In as a fantastic

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Speaker 2: ri I've gave her my book to read. She agrees

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Speaker 2: with me, just in as a fantastic writer. So there

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Speaker 2: you go. Very evocative, she says when they're driving driving

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Speaker 2: through to Mutapata, and it's trees up to trees after

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean when you get to that,

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Speaker 2: when you're read, if you're reading it, don't, by the way,

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Speaker 2: don't read it. I did it for you. Now I'm

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Speaker 2: reading Jason Parris's wife's book.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Jason Paris is the boss of One New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: his wife, Rachel Paris, is not a trophy wife. She

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Speaker 2: is a very very accomplished woman. And she has written

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Speaker 2: a book. And this will rip the ninety of anybody

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Speaker 2: who's tried writing a book. Her book, her debut, it's

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Speaker 2: her first book. It's a day book. It is going

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Speaker 2: gangbusters because it is such an excellent read. It is

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Speaker 2: such a good read that in the first chapter, which

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Speaker 2: is incredibly stressful, the first chapter is I can't tell

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Speaker 2: you because you've got to read it. It's a a mystery.

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Speaker 2: The first chapter is so stressful I pulled a muscle

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Speaker 2: in my back. I am without a word of a lie.

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Speaker 2: I woke up the next one just trussed me out.

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Speaker 2: I woke up the next morning with a decent case

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Speaker 2: of tortar collis, which I am now suffering. So thanks

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Speaker 2: very much, Rachel. But it is a fantastic book and

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Speaker 2: I and afterwards I'll give you a mini review of

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Speaker 2: that if you could be bothered having a listen to

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Speaker 2: it anyway, Myles Harrell, so do you remember after the

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Speaker 2: big butter meeting, Nicholas said, don't worry about it. Miles

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Speaker 2: is going to Miles done such a great job of

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Speaker 2: explaining it to me, He's going to explain it to

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Speaker 2: everybody as well. So he held his press conference and

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Speaker 2: he held it in christ Church today and he was

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Speaker 2: asked all of the questions like should he discount the

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Speaker 2: butter that he sells in New Zealand.

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Speaker 21: We know have an obligation to sell here in New

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Speaker 21: Zealand and we do that and we support news and economy,

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Speaker 21: but our job is going to not come in with

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Speaker 21: a two tier pricing system to your question and discount

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Speaker 21: here in the news in a market where we have

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Speaker 21: an international obligations to it to operator as well.

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Speaker 2: They did not like that, so they asked and that

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Speaker 2: again but I have an.

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Speaker 21: Obligation to try support the news in an economy at

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Speaker 21: the same time, so as a very small.

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Speaker 13: Portion of that a solar New Zealand.

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Speaker 21: My job to think about us as the role we

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Speaker 21: play in the international market and the role we play

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Speaker 21: here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Then this was probably the most awkward part.

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Speaker 22: What do you get paid?

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Speaker 21: It's not about what I get paid, but what do

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Speaker 21: you get paid by? You can see that at the

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Speaker 21: end your report which comes out a few months time.

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Speaker 2: Just under six million dollars.

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Speaker 21: It's about what we can do to support.

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Speaker 18: The news on economy.

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Speaker 2: And then finally he was asked, but how do we

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Speaker 2: actually fix the butter price?

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Speaker 21: Ultimately, consumers that make their own calls on that, you know,

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Speaker 21: making sure we've got the right retail settings and play

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Speaker 21: to encourage the right level of competition. You'll see competition

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Speaker 21: make their own calls around lost leaders. That's not our

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Speaker 21: call to get involved in. Basically becomes a decision for

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Speaker 21: the consumer how much they consume at what price.

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Speaker 2: Basically what he's saying is you can't fix the butter price, right.

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Speaker 2: You just need more, You need more supermarket competition. You

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Speaker 2: need to buy smarter you need to make a trip

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Speaker 2: to Costco who are selling it at a at a

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Speaker 2: cut rate price. As a lost leader, you need to

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Speaker 2: make those decisions. That's the only way to bring it

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Speaker 2: down anyway. And thought Miles is, by the way, one

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Speaker 2: of the country's most successful CEOs. Miles is getting some

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Speaker 2: not great advice from his media team And I don't

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Speaker 2: feel like talking about it right now because we've already

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Speaker 2: done Adrian all but let's talk about it in the

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Speaker 2: next hour.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight Top for Business Hour with Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Allen and Mayors for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions.

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Speaker 2: Newstalk sb even in coming up for the next hour,

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Speaker 2: Sam Dicky on the possibility of big cuts and wastage

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Speaker 2: in US healthcare. Jamie McKay on the news that student

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Speaker 2: protests are being taught how to do it properly and

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Speaker 2: end of Brady will be with us out of the

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Speaker 2: UK at seven past six. Now big change is coming

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Speaker 2: for the New Zealand Stock Exchange. The chief executive Mark

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Speaker 2: Peterson has resigned today. He will leave the Inns of

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Speaker 2: X at the end of April after nine years at

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Speaker 2: the top, and he's with us now.

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Speaker 18: Mark Hi, hear that. How are you well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? How are you? Do you feel relieved?

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Speaker 18: It's a bit it's been a strange day, you know, when.

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Speaker 24: A business has been part of your life for a

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Speaker 24: long time, and you know, obviously the last nine years

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Speaker 24: we've seen lots of changes and challenges and successes and

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Speaker 24: you know, and to think that that might come to

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Speaker 24: the end in April next year is quite a weird feeling.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you have friends of mine who have recently quit big,

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Speaker 2: high profile jobs have had the experience of almost immediately

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Speaker 2: regretting it once they realize how much people love them

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Speaker 2: in the role. Are you getting any of that?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 24: I know, there's been lots of really nice messages today,

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Speaker 24: which is which is very flattering.

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Speaker 18: But you know, we've still got nine months to go.

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Speaker 18: That's quite a long time.

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Speaker 24: It give us a board a chance to find, you know,

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Speaker 24: a really good new person, and I'm sure they make

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Speaker 24: a really good job of that. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 24: we just got it. We've just got to really keep

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Speaker 24: the pedal down.

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Speaker 2: What's brought it on? Why have you decided to go?

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Speaker 24: Well, a few things really, you know, ten years, ten

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Speaker 24: years in the organization by the time we get to April,

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Speaker 24: it'll be nine years in this role. That's a long stint.

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Speaker 24: You know, I've got to think about, you know, my

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Speaker 24: career and where I'm at with it. You know, probably

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Speaker 24: would like another exec role if I can find one before,

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Speaker 24: you know, before you sort of try and you know,

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Speaker 24: maybe get into governance type activity. If I don't do,

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Speaker 24: if I don't make that step now, then it starts

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Speaker 24: to become too late. So you know, you've got to

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Speaker 24: make these tough calls. But you know, we've also at

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Speaker 24: the same time to got to a period and the

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Speaker 24: strategy with the exchange where we've ticked off a bunch

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Speaker 24: of a bunch of sort of expectations and objectives that

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Speaker 24: the board is asked of me, and really it's the

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Speaker 24: right time for somebody else to then pick it up

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Speaker 24: and take it onto the to the to the next wave.

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Speaker 2: As reading that the ends of X fifty has increased

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Speaker 2: by about seventy seven percent since twenty seventeen, what do

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Speaker 2: you put that down to?

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Speaker 10: Well, you've got you.

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Speaker 24: Know, there is economic growth. You know that that you

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Speaker 24: know that flows through the economy. You know that that's

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Speaker 24: a big part of it. You know, you've got you know,

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Speaker 24: the moving parts, if you like, of what makes up

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Speaker 24: the exchange. You've got the equity side, and the and

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Speaker 24: the and the dead side. There's a whole lot of factors,

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Speaker 24: but you know a lot of it comes down to

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Speaker 24: you know, business is actually growing and doing well over

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Speaker 24: that period, which is always good.

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Speaker 2: Do you see Do you believe that that the investing

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Speaker 2: culture is taking hold in New Zealand a little bit

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Speaker 2: more with the advent of the likes of Chasis.

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Speaker 18: I do, I absolutely do.

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Speaker 24: I think they've made a big difference for you know,

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Speaker 24: getting you know, the concept of equities, you know, into

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Speaker 24: the hands of younger people.

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Speaker 18: You know, you can see them.

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Speaker 24: You know, I've got a family members who have used it.

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Speaker 24: You know, they're really sort of learning, you know, off

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Speaker 24: the back of that, and I think it's been very

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Speaker 24: very effective. So now you've got lots of really positive

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Speaker 24: stuff going on in that regard, and there are other

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Speaker 24: players as well alongside Cheeses doing similar things. So now

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Speaker 24: I think, you know, you know, when you think about

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Speaker 24: where the property markets are, you know, how the equity marke,

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Speaker 24: it's a moving you know, it's great to see that

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Speaker 24: sort of those productive asset classes, you know, really starting

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Speaker 24: to have some engagement around it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're obviously headed and we got enough

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Speaker 2: to invest in is really the thing?

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Speaker 18: Well, yeah, we do. I mean we love more. I

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Speaker 18: think that's the I think that's.

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Speaker 2: The How do we get more? What do you reckon?

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Speaker 18: Well, there's a few things to it.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 24: We we see lots of businesses that that are interested

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Speaker 24: in accessing capital through the markets. You really want those

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Speaker 24: business to be listed ready. You also need an economic

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Speaker 24: cycle that's supportive you know, of those of those of

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Speaker 24: the timings of all of that.

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Speaker 18: We need the right product.

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Speaker 24: And when I say that that's a bit colloquial, but

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Speaker 24: our product is not just made up of what the

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Speaker 24: exchange does.

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Speaker 18: It actually is made up of what.

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Speaker 24: Law makers make create around it and what regulators create.

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Speaker 24: And the current government has been excellent actually at looking

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Speaker 24: at some of those regulatory settings and legal settings making

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Speaker 24: some adjustments around that. Really good progress on that so far.

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Speaker 24: Lots more to go, and we'd love to go quicker

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01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 24: if we can. But those elements of law and reg

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Speaker 24: and the markets generally, and all the players in the

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 24: market's not just the exchange, but all the players that

1522
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 24: wrap around it, the brokers, the lawyers.

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Speaker 3: The.

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01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 24: Investment banking teams and all the rest of it. You know,

1525
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 24: they play a big bark and getting things to grow,

1526
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 24: and it's all of that that needs to come together.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Mark, go well and thanks very much for

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01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 2: having a chat to us. It's Mark Peterson outgoing INSIDEX

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Speaker 2: Chief Executive, twelve past.

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Speaker 3: Six together do for see Ellen's.

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Speaker 2: Jamie mackay very shortly about the protesters. I was very

1532
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 2: excited today for one hot little minute because one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite companies had an announcement that's being Bremworth. They've

1534
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 2: announced they're investing six million dollars in a plant in Napier.

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01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: And I've said to Laura, I said, you don't go

1536
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: on then ask them to come on the show. Let's

1537
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: say to them that we're going to talk to them

1538
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 2: about the plant and Napier and then we'll actually we'll

1539
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 2: just talk to them about wool carpets and we'll see

1540
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 2: if we can get the price out of them about

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01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 2: Nikola keeps on refusing to tell me the price. She's like,

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01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: I'm not going no, just trust me, Heather, it costs

1543
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 2: as much. It's just as the same, same price, whether

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01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: you put in synthetic in the state houses or well,

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01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 2: Bremworth's price is so good it's no more experise a

1546
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 2: bs to that. So get them on. Let's have a check. No,

1547
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 2: they saw that coming. They're not stupid, so they said

1548
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: no thanks. I go on with everybody else because not

1549
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 2: everybody is obsessed with the stupid price with square meter

1550
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: of wool carpet and the state House. Anyway, one day

1551
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to call a truce with Bremworth because

1552
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: we can't keep cutting them out of the show for

1553
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: everyone account chasing this stupid fact. Anyway, Jamie McKay Next,

1554
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: thirteen past six, It's.

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Speaker 1: The Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1556
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio empowered by Newstalk ZEPPI. The Rural Report

1557
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Speaker 1: with MSD Animal Health Home of Maltine NZ.

1558
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 3: It's leading five in one vaccine.

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01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna deal with Fonterra A Myles Harreland just

1560
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 2: to take right now though sixteen pass six, Jamie McKay

1561
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: hosts of the Countries with me Elo.

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Speaker 9: Jamie, Hello, hither, I'm perplexed to find out what advice

1563
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 9: you're going to give the not perplexed. I'm eagerly awaiting

1564
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 9: what advice you're going to give the fontira a PR department?

1565
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 2: Do you give them?

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01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 10: Oh?

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01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 9: Would just say stick to your guns? I mean, what

1568
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,799
Speaker 9: what do people expect? Do they expect selver Firmed farms

1569
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 9: to drop the price of meat domestically in the supermarkets?

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01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 10: You know?

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01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 18: I just think.

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01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 9: I just think the whole thing's a bit of a

1573
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 9: beat up. What about zespre Do they have to drop

1574
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 9: the price of keywy fruit because they're more expensive because

1575
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 9: they're doing well on the global stage? The cost of

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01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 9: button benefits us more than a penallysis is in the supermarket?

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01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 2: I know that might Can I just say this? This

1578
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 2: is a complete people have lost their minds. How much

1579
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: better do you eat in a week?

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01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 13: Jamie Bugger all reckon?

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01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 2: I reckon if we went through a block in two

1582
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 2: I reckon two weeks, we'd go through a block. So

1583
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: are we literally having this conversation about what's costing me

1584
01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: five dollars a week?

1585
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 9: Like get a grip music, Heather, And honestly, if people

1586
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 9: want to get up in arms about these sort of things,

1587
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 9: forget about the price of butter go and have a

1588
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 9: winge and a bitch at your insurance company or your

1589
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 9: local body who are ripping you off big time, or

1590
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 9: the banks are with your overdraft rates. They're costing you

1591
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 9: far more than the butter, which is just a bit

1592
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 9: of a lightning ride at the moment.

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01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 2: Totally thank you. I feel it much better getting that

1594
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 2: out of my system anyway. Now, tell me about what's

1595
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 2: going on with this group called Climate Liberation out here

1596
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 2: or were they up to?

1597
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 9: Well, this is I know you've been dying to get

1598
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 9: this one out hither. I was hoping to talk about

1599
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 9: the Federated Farmer's Banking survey, but never mind, I'll do

1600
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 9: as I'm told. Look, this is a humorous story. I

1601
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 9: was found in the Otago Daily Times last weekend. So

1602
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,480
Speaker 9: protesters who are not fans of being pepper sprayed, handcuffed

1603
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 9: or locked up in a police spell spent two hours

1604
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 9: last week learning how to protest properly. Now, this protest

1605
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 9: Skills Night was put on by Climate Liberation atro and

1606
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 9: it was aimed at showing protests how to demonstrate their

1607
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 9: points using nonviolent direct action techniques. So event coordinator Carra

1608
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 9: Scott said, we're trying to upscal these students and how

1609
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 9: to protest in anticipation of a nationwide action they're going

1610
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 9: to take very shortly against the a n Z Bank.

1611
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 9: And this has all got to do with the Batist

1612
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 9: mining resource on the Denniston Plateau. Shane Jones is going

1613
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 9: to dig up, dig a hole and take out twenty

1614
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 9: million tons of coal. Miss Scott went on to say,

1615
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 9: we'll be showing them how to stay calm at protests

1616
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 9: and not respond emotionally to high stress situations. It's a

1617
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 9: pretty versatile skill set in my opinion, and I'm thinking,

1618
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 9: why are we subsidizing a university I'm standing like a

1619
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 9: grinch here and a grumpy old boomer, but why are

1620
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 9: we subsidizing university education to learn this set?

1621
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 2: No, no, it's no, that's absolutely fair enough. So basically

1622
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: they're learning how to do breathing exercises by the sounds

1623
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 2: of things. I don't know kids learning that at kindy.

1624
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 2: I mean I could have just sorted them out for

1625
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 2: that out for them. Okay, Jomie, thank you appreciate it.

1626
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 2: Jamie McKay, you could talk about the survey later. Jamie

1627
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 2: McKay hosted The Country, Right. I mean, that is a

1628
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 2: fair point about the price of butter, isn't it. I

1629
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: think just you know, if you will hit up, if

1630
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 2: you're sitting there going, oh, just just be honest with

1631
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 2: yourself about how much butter you're eating every week. Like,

1632
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 2: if you're eating one block, it's ten dollars, Yeah, ten dollars, Yeah,

1633
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 2: fair enough, it could be five, but now it's ten.

1634
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:28,759
Speaker 2: But like, really we're doing all of this about that anyway?

1635
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 2: Talk about Miles Hurrale next twenty past six rather whether.

1636
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 1: It's macro microbe or just playing economics. It's all on

1637
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Hellen and its for

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Speaker 1: trusted home insurance solutions use talks.

1639
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Speaker 2: Oh, Amber, Amber, you have nailed it, Heather. The butter

1640
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 2: conversation is crazy. People will pay seven dollars for a

1641
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 2: coffee they consume in fifteen minutes. But butter that last

1642
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 2: summer week is apparently horrendous. Girl on the money. Now, look,

1643
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 2: can I I'm going to talk about Miles hurral This

1644
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 2: is the thing that Jamie wants to hear. I'm just

1645
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 2: gonna talk about Miles Harroff for a minute because Miles

1646
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 2: is unfortunately looking like he's being weird about the price

1647
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 2: of butter. Now, Miles is not being weird about the

1648
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 2: price of butter, but what's actually going on is different

1649
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: to how it looks Okay, So I feel sorry for Miles.

1650
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 2: I want to say that upfront, because I don't think

1651
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 2: that Miles is doing anything wrong. And Miles did not

1652
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: get He did not ask to get dragged into this

1653
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 2: by political will by Nikola Willis for political purposes, and

1654
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: he didn't ask to get chased down the Parliamentary full

1655
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 2: court by Mikey Sherman and all that kind of nonsense.

1656
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 2: And I think he's got a perfectly good explanation for

1657
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: why the price of butter is slightly higher than it

1658
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 2: normally would be. But what is weird is that has

1659
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 2: pressed him, has quite clearly told him not to come

1660
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 2: on the radio and talk about it. So I gave

1661
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 2: him a call today because they declined all so he

1662
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: had this press conference in christ Church today. Now, no

1663
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 2: disrespect to reporters in christ Church, but when you do

1664
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,759
Speaker 2: a press conference in christ Church, you do a press

1665
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 2: conference in christ Church because you want to avoid getting

1666
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 2: the hard questions, do you know what I mean? Because

1667
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 2: you don't want because in Wellington they are rabbit and

1668
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 2: in Auckland they can be rabbit, but in christ Church

1669
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 2: it's it's just a it's a gentle vibe. And so

1670
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 2: if you I mean, here's a free piece of advice.

1671
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 2: If you ever find yourself in a difficult situation and

1672
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: you want a story, you want you want an easy interview,

1673
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 2: hold a press conference in christ Church. And that's exactly

1674
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: what happened. I listened to twenty five minutes something that

1675
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: made me want to go to sleep today. It got

1676
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 2: tiny bit awkward for a minute, hot little minute, and

1677
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 2: then it stopped being awkward. So they got what they wanted.

1678
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 2: But what was weird about it is I said, well,

1679
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:27,719
Speaker 2: why doesn't Miles come on the radio with us, because

1680
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 2: I'm sympathetic to his position, like I want to chat

1681
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 2: through this and how ridiculous it is with him. No,

1682
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 2: And I was like, well tell me, for God's sake,

1683
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 2: you're at least going to go on with Mike Hosking

1684
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning, who I can hear has exactly the same

1685
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: no what is going on? And so I think he's

1686
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 2: getting bad advice because I think what's happening, Like I

1687
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: frankly think the Fonterra team are very lucky that most

1688
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 2: of us here at Newstalk z'b are actually you know,

1689
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 2: rational about economics, and we're not going to give Miles

1690
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 2: a hard time for turning up. But geez, that was

1691
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 2: a line call, wasn't it, Because there'll be some rabbid

1692
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 2: people out there who will But anyway, whatever I think,

1693
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 2: when you don't turn up on the radio, you look

1694
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 2: like you're being shady and weird and trying to hide something.

1695
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 2: They've got nothing to hide, so they should just front

1696
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 2: up and get the interview done with and move on.

1697
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 2: But the advice has not been great to him, unfortunately.

1698
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, as I say, they're lucky because we all

1699
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 2: think that Miles is awesome, because Miles is awesome because

1700
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 2: have you seen how he's turned Fronterra around? So anyway,

1701
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:22,480
Speaker 2: six twenty.

1702
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 3: Five together, du for see Allen.

1703
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: In some show biz news.

1704
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Speaker 13: I'm going down South.

1705
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 18: I'm going to have myself to.

1706
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 2: South Park has kicked off its twenty seventh season with

1707
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 2: a parody of Donald Trump, and they're not holding back

1708
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 2: this season. They've got Trump in bed with Satan in

1709
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 2: the White House making jokes about the Epstein List, which

1710
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 2: is just you know, subtle. The creators of South Park

1711
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 2: have recently signed a mass of one point five billion

1712
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 2: one point five billion dollar deal with paramount paramount, of course,

1713
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 2: being the studio who had to settle a sixteen million

1714
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 2: dollar lawsuit with the President just recently. The deal will

1715
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Speaker 2: see fifty new episodes of south Park over the next

1716
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 2: five years, and this didn't stop the South Park team

1717
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 2: from parodying the studio's recent legal trouble. The season premiere

1718
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 2: centered on Trump suing the town of south Park, forcing

1719
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 2: them to come to a settlement. But settling comes with

1720
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 2: a catch.

1721
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: As part of the settlement, we also had to agree

1722
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: to doing pro Trump messaging.

1723
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 13: How are we supposed to do pro Trump messaging?

1724
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: Come on, guys, We're south Park.

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Speaker 3: We can do it. Yeah, trut work together.

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Speaker 2: Even more offensive is that there is currently no way

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Speaker 2: to watch old episodes of south Park in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: and someone probably needs to get on to that. So

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Speaker 2: there you go, Donald Trump, south Park. What a combination. Now,

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01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:44,839
Speaker 2: speaking of Donald Trump, actually, the White House has reacted

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01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 2: really badly to that report in the Wall Street Journal

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01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 2: that Trump's name appears multiple times in the Epstein files.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, look, I feel like, for the purposes

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01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 2: of not getting too hit up about this and kind

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01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 2: of just keeping our minds on this, let's keep our

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01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: common sense. Here are hundreds of people who are named

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01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: in the Epstein files, and being named in the Epstein

1738
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 2: files is not in and of itself a sign of guilt, right,

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01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 2: But what it does do is it continues the ongoing

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01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: bad coverage for President Trump, and it continues the pressure

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01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 2: on him to do something and release these Epstein files.

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01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 2: And he doesn't want that anyway. So the White House

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01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 2: has reacted by going septic. Nothing more than a continuation

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01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 2: of the fake news story is concocted by the Democrats

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01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 2: and the liberal media, said one spokesperson. Another fake news story,

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01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 2: just like the previous story by the Wall Street Journal,

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01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 2: said another spokesperson. So you know they are not taking

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Speaker 2: it hard, are they? Anyway? Take the news next, and

1749
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 2: then we'll talk to Sam Dickey about what's going on

1750
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 2: with US healthcare.

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01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour,

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01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,600
Speaker 1: the hand of DO for c Ellen and MAS for

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01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,480
Speaker 1: trusted Home Insurance solutions.

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Speaker 3: News talks that'd be Are you.

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01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 9: To have.

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01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:13,480
Speaker 5: That tone?

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01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 2: What Big Right and Brady's going to be with us

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01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: out of the UK?

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Speaker 12: Surely?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: By the way, Yes, the Essex Police health I was

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01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 2: telling you about that. Yes, how the press conference over

1763
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 2: and I'll get you across that shortly. Also, we're gonna

1764
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 2: have to talk about IID funny little thing. Funny little

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01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: thing there twenty five away from seven. Now, America's healthcare

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01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 2: sector is a bit of a crossroads. The US spends

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Speaker 2: almost twenty percent of its GDP on healthcare. It's nearly

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01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,919
Speaker 2: double the OECD average. But there is pressure to cut wastage,

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01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 2: and this of course has implications for the big healthcare

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Speaker 2: players who've all been reporting over the last little while.

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Speaker 2: Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is with us evening. Sam,

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Speaker 2: good evening. You give us a little bit of a

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01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 2: detail on the big picture here and what the government

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01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 2: is trying to do about it.

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Speaker 25: Yes, this ties into what you and I were talking

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01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 25: about in June. So remember US cup debt to GDPs

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01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 25: one hundred and twenty five percent versus say New Zealand

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01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 25: at fifty and healthcare spinning is an obvious target. Like

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Speaker 25: you say, almost twice the OECD average as a percentage

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Speaker 25: of GDPs spent on healthcare, which is five trillion dollars

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01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 25: and at least a trillion dollars of that, experts say

1782
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:21,799
Speaker 25: is wasted. So how's that wasted? Administrative bloat is massive,

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01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 25: So the US has an incredibly convoluted patchwork of public

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01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 25: and private insurers with thousands of different insurance plans, and

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01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 25: big hospitals, for example, dedicate entire departments with hundreds of

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Speaker 25: employees just to hand all the insurance claims, the denials,

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01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 25: the resubmittances. Then there's the middlemen that distributors everyone with

1788
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 25: their handout clapping the ticket and to feed all those mouths.

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01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 25: US drug prices are extremely inflated versus the rest of

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01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 25: the world. So to take the EpiPen or ozepic for example,

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01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 25: that the popular weight loss drug, they sell it ten

1792
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 25: times the price in the US versus say the UK

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01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 25: or Ossie. So that's the problem, but it's really really

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01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 25: hard to fix. So in twenty eighteen, Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos,

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01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 25: and Jamie Diamond set up a joint venture to tackle

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01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 25: this bloat. So think about those three guys. You probably

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01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 25: couldn't get three more capable people on Earth together in

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01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 25: a room to solve a problem, and they failed. So

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Speaker 25: the joint venture quietly dissolved. Defeated by the sheer amount

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Speaker 25: of greed, vested interests and massive political clout of the

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Speaker 25: healthcare players.

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Speaker 2: So, as I said earlier, we've had some of these

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Speaker 2: big healthcare players reporting over the last little while. What

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01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 2: have the results told us about this?

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 25: So companies like Boston Scientific, Danaher and child of Surgical,

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Speaker 25: and Icon of all reported results. So in child of

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Speaker 25: Surgical that we've spoken about this one before, the leading

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Speaker 25: soft tissue robotic surgery company, they sell their robots to

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Speaker 25: hospitals and they said on the result that hospitals not

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Speaker 25: just in the US but around the world are tightening

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Speaker 25: the purse strings. Danaher, who manufactures the tools that big

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01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 25: farm companies used to develop a mass produce drugs, said

1814
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 25: it's big farmer customers like Pfizer continue cutting costs as

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01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 25: government pressure mounts to reduce drug prices. And Icon, who

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01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 25: are a outsourced clinical trial company that tests drugs for

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01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 25: farmer companies that has been under immense pressure.

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Speaker 2: What does this all mean for investors?

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01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 25: Well, the good news is both Democrats and Republicans support

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01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 25: cutting waste. So you've had the Inflation Reduction Act in

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01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 25: twenty twenty two, which reduced prices the government pays for drugs,

1822
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 25: and Trump's Most Favored Nation policy aims to tie US

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01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,799
Speaker 25: drugs to the lowest prices paid by the developed countries.

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Speaker 25: But as an investor, it's critical to determine whether the

1825
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 25: healthcare company you own is contributing to the problem or

1826
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 25: helping solve it. So big farmer companies charging excessive US

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01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 25: drug prices are right in the cross is as are

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01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 25: distributed as and middleman. But Boston Intuitive and Icon, for example,

1829
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 25: they're part of the solution. So Icon's clinical research expertise

1830
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 25: can complete drug trials twelve months faster and up to

1831
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 25: twenty percent cheaper than than their farmer customers. Boston reported

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01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 25: forty percent higher patient through put out its cardiac or

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01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 25: heart centers, they reduced unnecessary patient stays by twenty five

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01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 25: percent and cut procedure times by fifteen percent over the

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01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 25: last few years, and Tudor's robotic systems massively speed up

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01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 25: surgical backlog. So make sure you're part of the solution

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01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 25: as an investigator, But tread carefully generally, because if the

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Speaker 25: bloated supertanker that is the US healthcare system is finally turning,

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01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 25: you do not want to be.

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Speaker 3: In its path.

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Speaker 2: A very good advice, Sam, Thank you so much as always, Sam,

1842
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 2: Dickie Fisher Funds will talk to you again soon as

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01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,919
Speaker 2: twenty one away from seven ever, I thought this was fascinating,

1844
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 2: right Nanogirl, You know nanogirl. Nanogirl owes ird more than

1845
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty five thousand dollars. The business went

1846
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 2: into liquidation in November and it's split up. I think

1847
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 2: it's something like one hundred and eighty thousand dollars in

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01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,799
Speaker 2: unpaid GST and about eighty six and a half thousand

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01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 2: dollars on PAI. Anyway, that's not the thing I'm interested in. Actually,

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01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 2: what I'm interested in is this comment from Damien Grant,

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01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 2: who's the director of an insolvency firm called Waterstone. He says,

1852
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 2: a one hundred and eighty thousand dollar GST debt is

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01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 2: very small quote. I doubt an IRD enforcement officer would

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01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 2: get up from their desk for that. I looked at that,

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01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 2: I thought, I mean, it's small in the context of

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01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 2: the economy, I suppose. But you get a few of

1857
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 2: those together and it's not small anymore. You get you

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01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 2: get ten of those together, and you're paying for Sunny

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01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,719
Speaker 2: Kochial's out. But aren't you just like that? Anyway? Feels

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01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 2: to me like I'm reading into that. I'm guessing that

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01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 2: we're leaving a whole bunch of one hundred and eighty

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01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 2: thousand dollar debts out there unclaimed. Anyway, I said this

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01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 2: in the newsroom today store, I don't know, this seems

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01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 2: like a lot of money. That's like two people's pay packets.

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01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 2: And then somebody piped up and said, well, actually, yeah, no,

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01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 2: this happens all the time. I've got a family member

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01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 2: who has a four hundred thousand dollar debt outstanding to

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01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 2: ID for ten years. ID hasn't even come knocking. I mean, hello, hello,

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Speaker 2: can we give you? Know how we gave ID a

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01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: few more resources and they went hard on the people

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01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 2: who were not paying their student loans. Can we give

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01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 2: them some more resources? Go hard on this the GST bills.

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01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 2: This sounds like a really good idea. It seems like

1874
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 2: some low hanging fruit there. Now, Rebel Wilson, you read

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01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 2: about this bird a and I don't know, starting I

1876
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,839
Speaker 2: worry for Rebel Wilson that maybe Rebel needs an intervention.

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01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 2: So Rebel Wilson, you know, Rebel the Hollywood star who's

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01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: from Australia. She's facing another lawsuit, and this time the

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01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: lawsuit claims that she deliberately blocked her own film's release

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01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 2: with legal threats and falsely outed a young actor as

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01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 2: a victim of sexual misconduct. What it is is that

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01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 2: there's a movie called The deb which is a musical

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01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 2: comedy based on a stage show, and it stars a

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Speaker 2: young one called Charlotte, Charlotte mcinness. Now, what happened in

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01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 2: July last year is that Rebel Wilson claimed that she

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01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 2: had reported bad behavior by the film's producers, and she

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01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 2: names three of them, and she says not minor things,

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01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 2: big things, inappropriate behavior towards the lead actress of the film.

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Speaker 2: This is Charlotte mcinness, embezzling funds from the film's budget, etc.

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Speaker 2: One of the allegations that she's made is that one

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Speaker 2: of the producers asked the young one to shower with

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Speaker 2: her and a BONDI will shower with him. I'm assuming

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01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 2: actually in a BONDI penthouse apartment, and that it was

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01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 2: some sort of sexual assault or sexual abuse or something

1895
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 2: like that. Anyway, she said, I made the movie, this

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01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 2: great movie, The deb and then you know, almost at

1897
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 2: the finish line, they're saying, you know, it can't come out.

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01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 2: They might not release it, they might bury it.

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Speaker 15: All.

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Speaker 2: The producers are not happy about these allegations. They have

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01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 2: now launched a lawsuit in the United States claiming that

1902
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 2: Wilson has in fact a famed them. They say she

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01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 2: has knowingly spread false information online and breached her contractual

1904
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 2: duties by effectively blocking the film's release. She threatened the

1905
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 2: Australian distributor of the film that she would obtain an

1906
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 2: injunction when she actually can't. But as a result of

1907
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 2: that threat, the Australian distributor with drew its proposal to

1908
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: distribute the film. And it's probably notable that the thing

1909
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,839
Speaker 2: premiered in September last year at the Toronto Film Festival,

1910
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 2: but as yet to reach cinema a moduling allegations between

1911
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 2: Win Wilson and her business partners. Anyway, if you read

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01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 2: there is even I am giving you a pricey by

1913
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 2: the way of this, there is even more. There is

1914
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 2: more back and forth on this, and when you read

1915
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 2: some more, you do start to worry about how Rebel

1916
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 2: is going, because it does feel slightly conspiratorial and weird anyway,

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01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like we're ever going to see the deb

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Speaker 2: does it? Seventeen away from seven?

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Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather dupic Ellen and Mes for

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01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talks Dead be.

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Speaker 2: End Brady UK Correspondence with US Evening Ender. Hello, I

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Speaker 2: have very great to speak to you, Ga, It's good

1924
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 2: to chat to you. So Starma is going to sign

1925
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,879
Speaker 2: a major trade deal today, yes.

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01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 13: With India. So the Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Moldy is

1927
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 13: here and they're going to meet at Checkers, which is

1928
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 13: the country retreat of the UK Prime Minister in Buckinghamshire.

1929
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 13: So it will all be very formal. But there is

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Speaker 13: a lot of money behind this and Starma is banging

1931
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 13: this rum. It will eventually be worth somewhere in the

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Speaker 13: region of about ten billion dollars to the UK economy.

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Speaker 13: That kind of figure getting injected in is badly, badly needed.

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01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 13: So Stammer's painting this as a win. And what we'll

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Speaker 13: see as well is major reductions in tariffs on UK

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Speaker 13: goods going into India, so car parts and vehicles for example,

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Speaker 13: will be reduced. It's a big win for the Scottish

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Speaker 13: whiskey industry because Scotch whiskey is extremely popular with middle

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Speaker 13: class India and right now they have huge tariffs, so

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Speaker 13: they will be reduced as well, and in return, India

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Speaker 13: will have tariffs reduced on the kind of goods day

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Speaker 13: scent here, from mangoes and grapes to clothing and textiles.

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Speaker 13: And interestingly, they've also asked for twelve hundred visas for

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Speaker 13: yoga instructors to come to the UK, so we may

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Speaker 13: be getting a better standard of yoga instructor out of this.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So is it a visa for a visit or is

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Speaker 2: it a visa for living for long term?

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Speaker 13: I think it'll be long term working And that in

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Speaker 13: itself is controversial of course, because Starmer's trying to drive

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Speaker 13: down migration numbers. And in addition to that, there's also

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Speaker 13: a proviso here for Indians coming to the UK on

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Speaker 13: short term contracts to not pay national insurance, which is

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Speaker 13: another form of tax. But they've ironed it all out.

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Speaker 13: The deal has been done and in two hours time

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Speaker 13: Moody and Starmer will sign it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant stuff. Are you going to watch the mastershift.

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Speaker 13: Do you know what, out of curiosity I will the

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Speaker 13: BBC having announced that the season that they already have

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Speaker 13: filmed and in the can and ready to go. The

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Speaker 13: problem they have with screening this is it features Greg

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Speaker 13: Wallace and John Torode, both of whom will not be

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Speaker 13: coming back various allegations. There was one allegation of bad

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Speaker 13: language and behavior upheld against Turoad, which he denied. Wallace

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Speaker 13: had something like forty five allegations of inappropriate behavior and

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Speaker 13: touching and groping everything He denied. Forty five allegations upheld

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Speaker 13: against Greg Wallace. So the BBC are saying it was

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Speaker 13: a very difficult decision to make, but ultimately they owe

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Speaker 13: it to the contestants to screen it, and they say

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Speaker 13: it will be edited heavily so that the show features

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Speaker 13: more of the contestants.

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Speaker 2: Are they going to try and edits Greg and John

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Speaker 2: down as much as possible?

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Speaker 13: I think it'll be pretty much Hello, this is Master

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Speaker 13: Chef and then goodbye. That was this week's Master Chef.

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Speaker 13: I think if the editors get their way, that would

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Speaker 13: be it. But how Greg Wallace got on Master Chef

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Speaker 13: is a mystery to me. He was a fruit and

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01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 13: vege guy off of Greengrocers. Best look to him. He

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Speaker 13: made it work for himself for as long as it lasted.

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Speaker 13: But I don't know. I find that he's one of

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Speaker 13: the mysteries of UK TV. Greg Wallace.

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Speaker 2: What wasn't he brought in to sort of be their

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Speaker 2: working class guy and just appeal a little bit more

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Speaker 2: to the working class viewers.

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Speaker 13: Oh, look at some BBC management bods. They've obviously done

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Speaker 13: some kind of polling and they've realized that there's an

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Speaker 13: awful lot of kind of so we say middle aged

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Speaker 13: ball the white men who watch TV and they need

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Speaker 13: to see a reflection of themselves. And that's how Greg

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Speaker 13: Wallace ended up on Mastershift. Good luck to him.

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Speaker 2: Now, how do you make fifteen million dollars on a

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Speaker 2: property in what like one year?

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Speaker 13: So this is Ellen DeGeneres, the famous TV American host

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01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 13: who basically came over here after Trump's victory. She had

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Speaker 13: bought a property last summer in the Cotswolds in Gloucestershire,

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01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 13: and yeah, she's done some renovations to it, but she's

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Speaker 13: doing what they call flipping, buying something do with up

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Speaker 13: and then sell it on. Yeah, so the price increase

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Speaker 13: in one year is fifteen million and z dollars. People

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01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 13: are scratching their heads. Apparently she's only moving because her wife,

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01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 13: who's from Australia, wants more land for their horses and

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01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 13: this property doesn't really have that. But I mean, why

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01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 13: wouldn't you've you've got all the money they have, wouldn't

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01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 13: you have taught about the horses a year ago? The

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01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 13: price tag is fifteen million eg more than they bought

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Speaker 13: it for. If you've got forty five million spare you

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01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 13: can buy Ellen DeGeneres's place in the Cotswoltz. The downside

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Speaker 13: is you'll be living next door.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Clarkson, Oh okay, this is all suddenly becoming quite

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Speaker 2: attractive to me. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Ender Brady UK, Chris, I mean, I was wondering, I

2013
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 2: don't know were you wandering. I was wondering what am

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Speaker 2: I gonna do with that fifteen million dollars plus you

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01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: know plus plus? I thought, geez, I could put in

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Speaker 2: the share market, or I could just buy Ellen's house.

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Speaker 2: It seems like a you know, slam dunk. There By

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01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 2: the way, if you do have some spare cash now

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01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 2: is the time. Now is the time to get the

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01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 2: renovation done. Now's the time to get the the whatever

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01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 2: done that you need to get done. Get the pool

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Speaker 2: out the back, get the deck, get the whatever, get

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Speaker 2: the get the granny flat. Because construction firms are reportedly

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01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:52,480
Speaker 2: slashing and with some sadness that I say this, construction

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01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 2: firms are slashing their their quotes by fifty percent at

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01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 2: the moment. They are so hard up work that they

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01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 2: will they will do it at a cut rate. I mean,

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Speaker 2: surely at fifty percent. Surely at fifty percent they're not

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Speaker 2: even making money. So maybe they're just trying to keep

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01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 2: the things ticking over. But anyway, if it you know,

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Speaker 2: it works for you, and it works for them to

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01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 2: do the work now rather than waiting for it to

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01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 2: pick up. Because if you get them now, then you

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Speaker 2: tied them over and you get a decent deal on that.

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Speaker 2: The only problem you're going to have is that rain

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Speaker 2: that just keeps on delaying everything. Twenty What was I

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01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 2: going to say? Twenty away from seven? Let's try again?

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Speaker 2: Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tooper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZBI.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so Essex, I was telling you about this yesterday, right,

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Speaker 2: This is the Essex Police being being busted with footage

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Speaker 2: escorting people protesters to accounter protest at the Migrant Hotel.

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Speaker 2: The police boss there, the Chief Constable of the Essex Police,

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Speaker 2: has held a press conference overnight New Zealand Time and

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01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 2: urged political leaders to consider the consequences of their words.

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Speaker 2: And that was basically directed at Nigel Farage, because Nigel

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Speaker 2: Farage had demanded that he resign over it. And he

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Speaker 2: is absolutely adamant that they didn't escort because it would

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Speaker 2: appear that what he's saying is they didn't bust anyone

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Speaker 2: to the counter protest. They just walked them to the

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01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 2: counter protest, you know, to keep them safe, and then

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Speaker 2: they walked them away again to keep them safe. I guess.

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Speaker 2: I guess people will decide for themselves how they feel

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01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 2: about it, and it's and time will tell how this

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Speaker 2: goes down and whether people in Essex are convinced by it.

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Speaker 2: There's some question for you. Okay, this is really Colbert.

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Speaker 2: What's his first name, Stephen, Stephen Colbert. Is it sadder

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Speaker 2: that there were people who turned up to protest outside

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Speaker 2: CBS to protest CBS and say please keep this wonderful

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Speaker 2: show going. Is it sadder that they are protesting such

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01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 2: a lame, not funny show, or is it sadder that

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Speaker 2: only a few dozen of them turned up. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go with both. I'm going to go with the fact

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Speaker 2: that there are only a few dozen who turned up

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Speaker 2: out of a country as big as America. I feel

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Speaker 2: like the fact that a few doesn't turned up is

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Speaker 2: pretty sad and probably an indication of the fact that

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Speaker 2: it's a crappy show.

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Speaker 22: And I remember when there was a big protest movement

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Speaker 22: here to get KFC to keep hot and spicy year round,

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Speaker 22: and I'm pretty sure there was like a couple hundred

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Speaker 22: people who protested outside the KFC.

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Speaker 2: That's right, New Zealand more about KFC.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, you need a couple hundred to save a TV show.

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Speaker 2: I also appreciate that a lot of your conversations look

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01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:22,759
Speaker 2: back to KFC.

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Speaker 22: I'll tell you what I think I need to start

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01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 22: charging them. Don't know, it is a bit weird health

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Speaker 22: when it's coming up to know what this is about

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Speaker 22: my life lab. I don't know whether they're into KFC,

2082
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 22: but anyway, they're going to be performing at Totunga and

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01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:37,719
Speaker 22: Auckland and the Gold Coast over the summer. They've announced

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01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 22: their summer tour and it's got a pretty solid support

2085
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:42,759
Speaker 22: line up as well. They've got Stan Walker at aDNA

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Speaker 22: te where he and then you get a different special

2087
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 22: guest depending on which show you go to. So if

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Speaker 22: you go into the Auckland show on January the thirty first,

2089
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 22: you're going to get a Nesian mystic. But before that,

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Speaker 22: if you go to the one that kicks the tour

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01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 22: off on December twenty seventh, then Todunger you will get Corella.

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01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 22: And if you go to the if you fly over

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Speaker 22: the Gold Coast for gen Orry the third, you will

2094
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 22: get Guitar.

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Speaker 2: So there you go, Hey, Nieza, I reckon Auckland gets

2096
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 2: the best deal there, Nieze and Mistick as a blast

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Speaker 2: from the past, isn't it.

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Speaker 22: So's a Radna as well, and I actually think that

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Speaker 22: overall and then to where he's just breaking through now.

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Speaker 22: So this is a very solid lineup for a headline show.

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Speaker 22: Lab have done very well with this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, l Ab actually are pretty good, actually pretty pretty

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Speaker 2: good anyway, Enjoy and we will see you tomorrow.

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