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Speaker 1: The New Zealand China relationship front and center this week

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Speaker 1: as the Premier Lee Chang hits the country and has

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Speaker 1: sweepted through the region. New Zealand China Council head Alista

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Speaker 1: Crazy is with us on all of this. Alista morning,

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Speaker 1: Good morning mate, so very much. He's going through Australia

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Speaker 1: as well, so very much. They're re engaged in this

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Speaker 1: particular part of the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's a really positive sign that Premier

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Speaker 2: has been in office for just over a year now,

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Speaker 2: hasn't been down here before as Premier, but our Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister obviously formed Prime Minister Hipkins went to China last year,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, as part of that regular tempo of high

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Speaker 2: level exchanges.

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Speaker 1: I read out of Australia that he's taking a big

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Speaker 1: business delegation there. I'm assuming he's bringing one here. Is

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Speaker 1: there much business still to do and continue to grow

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Speaker 1: or is it so big we're kind of reached peak China?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's absolutely room for growth. China still predicting that

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Speaker 2: its middle class is going to double in the next

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Speaker 2: fifteen years from four hundred million to eight hundred million,

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Speaker 2: So I think we need to look a little bit

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Speaker 2: beyond the speed wobbles coming out out of COVID and

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Speaker 2: focus on the absolute size of the market. Even if

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Speaker 2: annual GDP growth slows, the absolute increase to Chinese economy

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Speaker 2: is going to be huge.

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Speaker 1: I'm also reading about the CPTPP and they want it

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Speaker 1: and the Chinese want in and we can probably help

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Speaker 1: them do that. Is any of that realistic or not?

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Speaker 1: Do you think?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, I mean New Zealand's approach is that we

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Speaker 2: welcome any country that can meet the very high standards

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Speaker 2: of the CPTPP. I think we'd be naive to think

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Speaker 2: it was not also about regional politics, and so the

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Speaker 2: other members of the agreement have to want China as well.

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Speaker 2: But you know that it's going to be an extended discussion,

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Speaker 2: but I think it's one worth having because we need

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Speaker 2: China in these key, key economic blocks.

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Speaker 1: And how long is the meeting going between him and

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Speaker 1: luxel and before the word orcust comes up? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: It may not come up at all. It may be

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Speaker 2: a little bit more diplomatic than that, but certainly, you

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Speaker 2: know it's clear from the visits we've already had this

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Speaker 2: year by the Foreign Minister and the head of the

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Speaker 2: Communist Party International Department that there's going to be in

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Speaker 2: exchange and both sides have read through their talking points

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Speaker 2: twice this year to each other and so there'll be

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Speaker 2: another open, honest exchange of views.

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Speaker 1: Good on, yeahs Alista Krazier, who's the executive director of

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Speaker 1: the New Zealand China Council. Imagine making a living talking

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