1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:12,693 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks'd be follow 2 00:00:12,773 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,692 --> 00:00:20,413 Speaker 2: Joining us now is University of a Tiger ophthalmologist, doctor 4 00:00:20,453 --> 00:00:23,973 Speaker 2: Francisk March. He is one of the authors of the 5 00:00:24,053 --> 00:00:28,653 Speaker 2: study and joins us on the line. Now, very good afternoon, doctor. 6 00:00:31,653 --> 00:00:34,613 Speaker 3: Hello doctor, thank you for joining us. Sorry a little 7 00:00:34,613 --> 00:00:37,732 Speaker 3: sneffe with the phone there. What exactly is toxoplasmosis and 8 00:00:37,773 --> 00:00:39,653 Speaker 3: how do people typically become infected? 9 00:00:41,213 --> 00:00:46,732 Speaker 4: So it's a parasite that comes mostly from the contact 10 00:00:46,732 --> 00:00:50,373 Speaker 4: with the cats, specifically the cats. They have it inside 11 00:00:51,132 --> 00:00:54,693 Speaker 4: and they're spreading everywhere through their physis. 12 00:00:55,013 --> 00:00:58,533 Speaker 3: Right, And how common is it? And people aware of 13 00:00:58,573 --> 00:00:59,293 Speaker 3: it when they have it? 14 00:01:01,613 --> 00:01:04,813 Speaker 4: There are very good points. He's not common, and we 15 00:01:04,893 --> 00:01:06,813 Speaker 4: know that around forty percent of the people of New 16 00:01:06,893 --> 00:01:11,133 Speaker 4: Zealand have been in content with the parasite, so we'd 17 00:01:11,213 --> 00:01:14,293 Speaker 4: rather common. And we know that as well, most of 18 00:01:14,333 --> 00:01:18,012 Speaker 4: the people are having cartinus in a rather common So 19 00:01:18,413 --> 00:01:20,133 Speaker 4: both things go together. 20 00:01:22,613 --> 00:01:25,453 Speaker 3: And what symptoms should people look out for? And you 21 00:01:25,493 --> 00:01:27,333 Speaker 3: know what that like? What are you what are you 22 00:01:27,373 --> 00:01:28,933 Speaker 3: looking out for to see if you've got it? 23 00:01:30,253 --> 00:01:32,613 Speaker 4: Most of the people that they get topples now is 24 00:01:32,693 --> 00:01:34,693 Speaker 4: because we say a rather common papers and other people 25 00:01:34,733 --> 00:01:38,092 Speaker 4: they will not realize. Sometimes they can have like flu 26 00:01:39,572 --> 00:01:42,253 Speaker 4: similar situations but nothing to be especially aware. 27 00:01:44,652 --> 00:01:48,813 Speaker 3: And uh so why is just to get the bottom 28 00:01:48,813 --> 00:01:50,853 Speaker 3: of us because a lot of people that have the 29 00:01:50,933 --> 00:01:53,133 Speaker 3: symptoms have got it before, you know, like people talk 30 00:01:53,133 --> 00:01:55,133 Speaker 3: about getting it being born with that. Why is tox 31 00:01:55,213 --> 00:01:58,053 Speaker 3: so it's most is particularly dangerous during pregnancy and what 32 00:01:58,133 --> 00:01:59,853 Speaker 3: precautions should pregnant women take? 33 00:02:01,733 --> 00:02:04,813 Speaker 4: Perfect These are very good points, so we know the 34 00:02:04,853 --> 00:02:08,973 Speaker 4: pregnant woman can be especially susceptible in them in the 35 00:02:08,973 --> 00:02:12,893 Speaker 4: same way, especially with contact with cuts. This is especially 36 00:02:13,893 --> 00:02:18,733 Speaker 4: tricky because there's a there are communication between the placenta 37 00:02:18,853 --> 00:02:21,572 Speaker 4: and this can affect the children. I went to some 38 00:02:21,653 --> 00:02:26,293 Speaker 4: plasma sects newborn. This can be very aggressive and they 39 00:02:26,293 --> 00:02:27,653 Speaker 4: can create a lot of trouble. 40 00:02:28,173 --> 00:02:31,653 Speaker 2: Right, so we had a few callers earlier this hour 41 00:02:31,972 --> 00:02:35,973 Speaker 2: doctor who said that they got this parasite when they 42 00:02:36,013 --> 00:02:39,053 Speaker 2: were still in the womb. Is that is that how 43 00:02:39,133 --> 00:02:41,573 Speaker 2: most people get this parasite? Can you get it later 44 00:02:41,653 --> 00:02:43,653 Speaker 2: in life? Can it develop when you get a bit 45 00:02:43,653 --> 00:02:45,173 Speaker 2: older into adult adulthood. 46 00:02:46,413 --> 00:02:49,893 Speaker 4: Yes, you can get in when your newborn. So the 47 00:02:49,893 --> 00:02:52,213 Speaker 4: situation that comes from your mom, but most likely you 48 00:02:52,293 --> 00:02:54,493 Speaker 4: will have it from the barmu that the has come 49 00:02:54,532 --> 00:02:55,293 Speaker 4: from the contact with the. 50 00:02:55,293 --> 00:02:59,053 Speaker 3: Cuts right right, and the and the parasite is did. 51 00:02:59,653 --> 00:03:01,453 Speaker 3: Is that what we're hearing. So when you're when you're 52 00:03:01,453 --> 00:03:05,213 Speaker 3: experiencing things with your ritner or troubles at that point, 53 00:03:05,252 --> 00:03:08,053 Speaker 3: as the parasite long did and the body is still 54 00:03:08,053 --> 00:03:10,093 Speaker 3: react into it for whatever reason. 55 00:03:11,252 --> 00:03:14,413 Speaker 4: Not necessarily. The problem is that the price is the 56 00:03:14,413 --> 00:03:17,373 Speaker 4: problem is as difficult to kill the coplasma, and that's 57 00:03:17,413 --> 00:03:19,692 Speaker 4: why we have to give treatment for a long time. 58 00:03:20,773 --> 00:03:24,053 Speaker 4: And unfortunately we don't have magic solutions. Unfortunately we have 59 00:03:24,133 --> 00:03:26,732 Speaker 4: to give a lot of time treatments because we're trying 60 00:03:26,813 --> 00:03:30,493 Speaker 4: to have the inflammation and the control. We know that 61 00:03:30,532 --> 00:03:32,813 Speaker 4: we can have more than one recurrence of these episodes 62 00:03:32,853 --> 00:03:33,972 Speaker 4: of inflammation in the eyes. 63 00:03:35,213 --> 00:03:39,013 Speaker 3: Right, And what about mental health? Because if I've got 64 00:03:39,013 --> 00:03:43,573 Speaker 3: this right, part of the life cycle of the parasite, 65 00:03:44,093 --> 00:03:47,813 Speaker 3: as you know, gets you know, a rodent will eat 66 00:03:48,293 --> 00:03:51,733 Speaker 3: something that gets the parasite and then start doing crazy stuff, 67 00:03:51,733 --> 00:03:55,133 Speaker 3: and then the cat will eat the mouse. Is does 68 00:03:55,173 --> 00:03:59,333 Speaker 3: that manifest in humans that it affects our mental health 69 00:03:59,333 --> 00:04:01,813 Speaker 3: and makes us behave in strange fashions as it appears 70 00:04:01,813 --> 00:04:02,333 Speaker 3: to do in mice. 71 00:04:03,453 --> 00:04:07,333 Speaker 4: These is a very interesting research topic and we know, 72 00:04:07,413 --> 00:04:11,773 Speaker 4: for example, people have like problems with the monocomprehension, you know, 73 00:04:11,893 --> 00:04:16,293 Speaker 4: they monto depressed, they can be very aggressive. But we 74 00:04:16,373 --> 00:04:20,053 Speaker 4: think nowadays that they could have some implications maybe with autism, 75 00:04:21,053 --> 00:04:23,773 Speaker 4: with other mental issues that we have in the general 76 00:04:23,813 --> 00:04:25,413 Speaker 4: community and the general community. 77 00:04:26,493 --> 00:04:32,053 Speaker 2: So doctor, along with your colleague, Professor Bruce Russell, you 78 00:04:32,733 --> 00:04:36,413 Speaker 2: have discovered some promising compounds that might help with new treatments. 79 00:04:36,493 --> 00:04:40,173 Speaker 4: Is that right, Yes, that's all right. That's a line 80 00:04:40,173 --> 00:04:43,293 Speaker 4: of research that we want to make grow because it 81 00:04:43,293 --> 00:04:45,093 Speaker 4: can make a big difference and the way we treat 82 00:04:45,893 --> 00:04:50,933 Speaker 4: aqual to plus mosis but in general different problems parasites. 83 00:04:51,133 --> 00:04:55,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, and as it stands, clearly you've made an application 84 00:04:55,253 --> 00:04:57,253 Speaker 2: for a research grant, but that has been turned down 85 00:04:57,293 --> 00:05:00,853 Speaker 2: at the stage. Is there right, Yes, it's all right, okay. 86 00:05:00,933 --> 00:05:03,013 Speaker 3: So just to finish up, thank you so much for 87 00:05:03,013 --> 00:05:04,493 Speaker 3: talking to us today. Well, what are the best ways 88 00:05:04,493 --> 00:05:07,933 Speaker 3: for people to protect themselves from and fiction, especially cat owners? 89 00:05:08,373 --> 00:05:11,613 Speaker 3: And if someone is worried that they may have been infected, 90 00:05:11,693 --> 00:05:12,733 Speaker 3: what would you suggest they do? 91 00:05:15,013 --> 00:05:18,333 Speaker 4: These are very interesting consideration. So the most important is 92 00:05:18,373 --> 00:05:21,213 Speaker 4: to be careful with the contact with the cats agin 93 00:05:21,293 --> 00:05:25,053 Speaker 4: as well when the way we cook, be careful with that. 94 00:05:25,373 --> 00:05:29,173 Speaker 4: And if we are concerned about the situation acutely, just 95 00:05:29,213 --> 00:05:31,853 Speaker 4: go to a doctor. We know as well we can 96 00:05:31,853 --> 00:05:34,933 Speaker 4: have acual toxoplasmosis on this case aes go to entomologies 97 00:05:36,133 --> 00:05:39,173 Speaker 4: and see what we have to do. Sometimes we have 98 00:05:39,293 --> 00:05:42,613 Speaker 4: to give to give treatment with antibio pictis sometimes can 99 00:05:42,693 --> 00:05:45,813 Speaker 4: be for a few weeks or even months. 100 00:05:46,133 --> 00:05:49,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting. It's just a question that comes Revira, 101 00:05:49,253 --> 00:05:52,013 Speaker 2: a tics machine doctor. See can you please ask if 102 00:05:52,013 --> 00:05:54,693 Speaker 2: a cat defecates in your vig garden, should you eat 103 00:05:54,693 --> 00:05:58,493 Speaker 2: those vegetables? Are they easy to wash or do you 104 00:05:58,613 --> 00:06:00,973 Speaker 2: need to throw them away? 105 00:06:02,493 --> 00:06:05,213 Speaker 4: It's a little bit difficult to know about the situations particularly. 106 00:06:05,413 --> 00:06:07,413 Speaker 4: I think that I would just try to be as 107 00:06:07,533 --> 00:06:11,613 Speaker 4: careful cleaning every problem we're in contact, because we know 108 00:06:11,813 --> 00:06:14,853 Speaker 4: that the feces of the cats are going to be everywhere, 109 00:06:15,053 --> 00:06:17,653 Speaker 4: especially going to be the soil, and if we have 110 00:06:17,733 --> 00:06:20,013 Speaker 4: to eat something, just be very careful, just be leave 111 00:06:20,133 --> 00:06:22,133 Speaker 4: just clinic as much as possible to try to boid 112 00:06:22,173 --> 00:06:22,653 Speaker 4: any risk. 113 00:06:23,333 --> 00:06:25,933 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well, thank you so much. For your time. 114 00:06:26,093 --> 00:06:28,733 Speaker 2: Yep, all the best with your grant going forward. It 115 00:06:28,813 --> 00:06:31,773 Speaker 2: sounds like an important research doctor, so all the best 116 00:06:31,773 --> 00:06:34,573 Speaker 2: and hopefully you get the money you need to research 117 00:06:34,653 --> 00:06:38,493 Speaker 2: those new compounds. That is doctor Francesca March. He is 118 00:06:38,533 --> 00:06:42,973 Speaker 2: an ophthalmology consultant Editorgo University. Very interesting. I mean it 119 00:06:43,053 --> 00:06:48,493 Speaker 2: is slightly scary. Yeah, it can happen anytime. Just be 120 00:06:48,613 --> 00:06:51,853 Speaker 2: very careful if you're a cat lover owner or you're 121 00:06:51,893 --> 00:06:53,573 Speaker 2: around the feces a bit much. 122 00:06:53,693 --> 00:06:55,253 Speaker 3: Yeah, and as I say, if my dog is listening 123 00:06:55,293 --> 00:06:58,213 Speaker 3: at home Colin often, let's leave the radio on. Make 124 00:06:58,253 --> 00:07:00,253 Speaker 3: sure no cats get into the house. Colin, all right, 125 00:07:00,413 --> 00:07:01,733 Speaker 3: get the cats gone? Where the cats? 126 00:07:01,773 --> 00:07:02,293 Speaker 1: Where are the kids? 127 00:07:02,573 --> 00:07:05,293 Speaker 3: Where the cat's gone? He will be if he heard that, 128 00:07:05,333 --> 00:07:07,093 Speaker 3: he'll be running down to his dog door and running 129 00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:07,773 Speaker 3: out looking for cats. 130 00:07:07,813 --> 00:07:10,573 Speaker 1: He's a good boy. For more from Newstalk st B, 131 00:07:10,853 --> 00:07:14,093 Speaker 1: listen live on air or online and keep our shows 132 00:07:14,133 --> 00:07:17,453 Speaker 1: with you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio