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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

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Speaker 1: Exceptional marketing for every property but Hellos one a super

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Speaker 1: title title in two thousand and ten.

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Speaker 2: That's finals often come down to those moments one try,

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Speaker 2: I can already all of those little things head up

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Speaker 2: to big things in finals. And on the sports tititle

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Speaker 2: of That's this evening, we've got Adam Cooper, host of

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Speaker 2: the All Sport Breakfast in Wellington, and Jim k sports journalist.

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Speaker 2: Hello you too, Hello Jim. How good is it to

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Speaker 2: have a final without the Crusaders?

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Speaker 3: I hear you stay with that. Yeah, that's good. It's good, Shid.

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Speaker 3: It's good from a competition perspective. And you know, it's

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Speaker 3: certainly been good for me looking at Sky because there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of Crusader supporters at Sky, so I've been

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Speaker 3: able to wind them up a fair bit about not

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Speaker 3: featuring in the last couple of weeks of the compin yeah, look,

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Speaker 3: you know we're going to have a fresh winner. I

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Speaker 3: guess all of this is that the Crusader has been incredible,

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Speaker 3: haven't they with celebrating the fact that they're not here,

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of a backhanded compliment to them that

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Speaker 3: they've just been so good and so dominant that we're

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Speaker 3: actually really happy that they're not here now totally.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's nice, isn't it, Coops, because it's a

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Speaker 2: genuine contest tomorrow. Who would know who's going to win?

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Speaker 4: Either of them could win, Oh very much so. And

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Speaker 4: I mean if I think if you're looking at this

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Speaker 4: game maybe two weeks ago, if we knew that these

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Speaker 4: two teams are in the final, you'd back the Blues

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Speaker 4: the whole way just because they have, you know, I

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Speaker 4: been pretty competitive this season aside from the Hurricanes. They've

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Speaker 4: set the benchmark right through and the Chiefs had some

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Speaker 4: pretty bad losses at times through the season. I think

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Speaker 4: five losses and they were including some big Kiwi Darby's,

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Speaker 4: so you know, they spilled some games. But I think

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Speaker 4: the way the Chiefs here, they have just really put

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Speaker 4: down the throttle in these playoffs. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: a huge quarter final when just being far too strong

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Speaker 4: for the Hurricanes, just just from the absolute get go

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Speaker 4: and you know, if that momentum continues, they're going to

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Speaker 4: be real tough for the Blues tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a tough game. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 2: to it. Jim, tell me who is going to be

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Speaker 2: the captain of the All Blacks and is Damien McKenzie

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Speaker 2: the first choice?

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Speaker 3: Damien McKenzie will probably been first first five unless Scott

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Speaker 3: Robertson has been out of full Rich Smallinger out of

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Speaker 3: his hat. And who will be the captain? Well, I mean,

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Speaker 3: looked if I was at the c B, the short

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Speaker 3: eyes would be Scott Barrett. I a personally, I'd love

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Speaker 3: to see Cody Taylor captain your Blacks. Yeah, He's a

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Speaker 3: fantastic person. He's a first choice in his position, he

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Speaker 3: plays superbly well, he doesn't get red Carter very often

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Speaker 3: at all, doesn't really give away dumb penalties, and brings

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Speaker 3: a lot of money. So, I mean, if I was

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Speaker 3: to pick someone myself, I'd be going for him, but

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Speaker 3: I suspect it will more than likely be Scott Barrett.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you reckon coops?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very similar. Obviously Artie Savier has been in the

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Speaker 4: Artie is often the most important player on the park obviously, Well,

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Speaker 4: rugby Player of the Year and everything like that, and

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Speaker 4: I think for Artie just let him players game, don't

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Speaker 4: But I just think let him be the force years

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Speaker 4: just like Jim, I'm going to be pretty surprised if

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Speaker 2: Coops so wild rugby making a mistake giving the TMO

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I've been and the stands for

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Speaker 4: most of the Hurricanes games here at Wellington this year

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Speaker 4: and it is just so frustrating every time they interject,

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Speaker 4: things that aren't one hundred percent correct, but that's rugby.

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Speaker 2: I think we all react like that, Jim. But is

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Speaker 3: The MO should be treated like naughty children sometimes seen

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Speaker 3: of the referee only they shouldn't be able to interject.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, they should have be able to go back

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Speaker 3: I just don't see it. And like Adam, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're imperfect people, human being, sports imperfect and some of

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Speaker 3: the great things about sport is when things are done imperfectly.

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Speaker 3: I think if we chase perfection in sport, we're being ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, we want to get things right. Players drop

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Speaker 3: You know, they have so much focus on the referee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, I think everybody's reacted like that, which

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Speaker 2: really says that the CMO has fallen out of favor

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Speaker 2: to talk about the Warriors. We'll come back and do that.

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Speaker 2: You're back with the sports Huddle. I got Adam Cooper

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Speaker 2: and Jim Kay's coops the Warriors. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 4: Well, well that the most hardest team to predict the outcomes,

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Speaker 4: hard to know, isn't it. On the back of the

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Speaker 4: so much mona within the Warriors, but clearly just isn't

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Speaker 2: And you know the are you saying to Marty Martin

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I think so. The best moments of their game last

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim, I feel like there's still pressure on this guy, right,

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Speaker 3: A lot, absolutely, And every coach is judged by their selections.

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Speaker 3: lines of what coops are suggesting and lots of other

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Speaker 3: because obviously Sewn Johnson is the blooded Warriors player, but

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Speaker 3: form wills out eventually, doesn't it and cliches we all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it might be. Listen, okay, Coops,

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Speaker 4: It's a worry for where the game goes for the fans.

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Speaker 4: I think he I mean, this is the reality, right.

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Speaker 4: You can't blame the players for doing this. If they've

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Speaker 4: the reality, and this global calendar is going to be

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Speaker 4: so important with I think a few regulations around players

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Speaker 2: Their point, but is that And the solution gym is

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Speaker 2: obviously to have that the very clear windows. This is

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Speaker 2: your big money window, this is your play for the

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Speaker 3: No, wow, there's no sense of it. I mean, cricket

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Speaker 3: and that's where the money, that's where the power is.

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Speaker 3: And you know you're get a cricket, like Coop said

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Speaker 3: with basketball, and you know, I think rugby will probably

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Speaker 3: It's just the reality of money, isn't it. You know,

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Speaker 3: you guys have said you can never begrudge them turning

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Speaker 3: it down, that it's telephone, it's phone.

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Speaker 2: Numbers, and this is exactly right right. You've got to

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Speaker 2: acknowledge the power of the money and then you've got

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Speaker 2: to find a solution around it, not to fight it. Guys,

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Speaker 2: it's wonderful to talk to you. Enjoy your week in

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