1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Are getting harsher penalties for theft and new fines for shoplifting. 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Changes these are proposed at the stage include infringement fines 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: of five hundred bucks if the value of the stolen 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: goods was below five hundred dollars, or up to one 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: thousand dollars if the stolen goods worth more than five 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: hundred bucks. For theft, maximum penalty will be one year 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: in prison if the value is two thousand or less, 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: up to seven years in prison if goods were valued 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: at more than two thousand dollars. Jason Stockel is wil Worst, 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: director of Retail with me this morning. Hey Jason, morning, 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: How are you good? Thank you? Do you think this 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: is going? I mean, if somebody is stealing stuff, they're 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: probably not massively well off. We'll a fine deter them, 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: do you think. 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: Ryan, it'd be a nice to see how that system works. 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: But from our point of view, we're just pleased that 17 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: we've had the announcements. It's a positive step forward and 18 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: we're happy to look at any initiative that's going to 19 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: make our stores safer for our team and our customers. 20 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: How does it work? If you want to issue it 21 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: on the spot, fine, it's the cops that do it, 22 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: So you have to wait till the cops arrive to 23 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: do that. What happens if the offender leaves in the interim, You're. 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: Right from what the detail we're looking at is, the 25 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: police will obviously shoe those fines on the spot, and 26 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: if they have left, they've left, we'll obviously do our 27 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 2: normal reports who are on our CCTV reporting to hopefully 28 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: that they can track them down. But again, as you said, 29 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 2: it all depends on what the value is that we'll 30 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 2: report everything where we can to the police. 31 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: So you're not you're not going to change your practice 32 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: of not because at the moment you know you'd always 33 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: you don't let your staff hold the trolley or hold 34 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: the person. Your security guards are told not to do 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: that as well. Is that correct? 36 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: If we can't restrain anybody, we can approach if we've 37 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: had our team trained correctly to approach the offender or 38 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: the thief. But the main aim for us is to 39 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: keep our team and customers safe. 40 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: Would you like the authority to restrain people? 41 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: It'd be an interesting concept, and when we've talked about 42 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: the citizens' arrest yesterday, actually it'll be interesting but again 43 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: we've got to have some real type time framework around 44 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: that because you put your team or your customers in 45 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: the way of a cistans arrest, you don't know what 46 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: the outcome is going to be, particularly when we've got 47 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: knife threatening and abuse from theft at sixty five percent 48 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: increase on last year, so you just don't know what 49 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: they're carrying nowadays. So again for me, it's about how 50 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: do we keep our team safe. But we'll watch this 51 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: space with what the government come out with. 52 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: Okay, but if it wasn't your staff but security guards, 53 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: if they were able to do it, would you be 54 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: open to then? 55 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: Look again, probably would be. But again we've got to 56 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: make sure that the training is right. Ryan. We've got 57 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: to make sure that is third party security company that 58 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: get involved in citizens arrest, particularly if they're in a public, 59 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: open area, which our supermarkets are, we've got to make 60 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: sure that they've got exactly the right training to keep 61 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: them safe and the customers around them. 62 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: Should anyone have a taser because that's one of the 63 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: things that were going to recommen was taser training for 64 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: security guards. 65 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I won't go down that path. I've seen 66 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: it happen our stores though, but it wasn't the security 67 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: guards at the police. But again we've got to watch 68 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: what that looks like and see what the government recommend. 69 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: Jason appreciate your time this morning. Jason Stockholm, world Worst 70 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: director of Retail. For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, 71 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: Listen live to news talks. It'd be from five am weekdays, 72 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.