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Speaker 2: I want to hear a bit of Lady Gaga here

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Speaker 2: you go.

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Speaker 1: Yes, very.

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Speaker 2: Fine. I don't know is that going to make you

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Speaker 2: want to go out and vote or are you just

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Speaker 2: going to be like I'm a it's a bit down.

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Speaker 2: Does fellow Riley iron Duke, partners of Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster

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Speaker 2: with us on the huddle? Hello you too? Hey don

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Speaker 2: yeh good, thank you? What do you reckon? Is ten

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Speaker 2: dollars too much? Phil for an off of sweepstake? Because

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Speaker 2: the reason I'm asking this it's not like a ten

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Speaker 2: dollar bet. This is a ten dollar lucky dip, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually Astralian. I commission Heather and then they've

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Speaker 3: got five and ten dollars tickets in the sweep I've

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Speaker 3: just walked away from the excitement of the Melbourne Cup

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Speaker 3: to talk to you, more exciting, I know than the

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Speaker 3: Melbourn Cup function. But yeah, that's right. So five with

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Speaker 3: I reckontend's okay. I think nothing works, It's okay, And

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Speaker 3: if you don't want to do it in five fine

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Speaker 3: because it's not about the money, it's about the fun

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Speaker 3: and you know, having a bit of a steak in

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Speaker 3: the horses and there goes down the race course. My

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Speaker 3: tour is still running. Actually they're still coming, haven't aually finished? Yes,

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Speaker 3: it's just a it's just a bit of a contribution,

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Speaker 3: isn't it ever of fun? And as long as everyone's comfortable,

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Speaker 3: we should move on.

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Speaker 2: Totally says, So are you also out partying or did

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Speaker 2: no one invite you out?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: No, And here's the thing, Melbourn Cump used to be

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Speaker 5: such a big event. I think if you involved me

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Speaker 5: at something like the High Commission with fillers, or you're

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Speaker 5: doing Love for Sweet Steak, But if you're at home

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Speaker 5: being an American ellectioning tragic watching for the final addresses,

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Speaker 5: it just looked past.

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Speaker 4: And here's the annoying thing.

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Speaker 5: Had I gone to a party, or had I even

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Speaker 5: gone down to the tab I probably almost certainly would

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Speaker 5: have put a bet on the winner because it was

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Speaker 5: trained by Sheila Lackson. And so does this.

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Speaker 2: Rip your nicety that it was one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 5: I know, but that's because it's more around that. You know,

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Speaker 5: I didn't you don't feel compelled to go and have

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Speaker 5: a bet. It is around the social case of them, exactly.

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Speaker 4: And if you're not involved in.

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Speaker 5: That, you don't have a good look at the field

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Speaker 5: and you don't see your horse, you would have punted up.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm so, I'm gutted for you. Now listen, okay,

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Speaker 2: fell onto something serious. Do you have a problem with

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Speaker 2: the use of force being extended beyond the boot campgate?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is a really complicated issue, isn't it. Because

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Speaker 3: a lot of the kids that will beyond that have

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Speaker 3: already experienced plants, and so you need to be very

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Speaker 3: cautious about how you play that out. But you know,

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Speaker 3: it's the classic of where you want to think it

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Speaker 2: But this is a situation you have. These are the like,

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Speaker 2: literally the naughtiest kids in the country. So let's say

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Speaker 2: the night, somebody gets slippy to them, they start giving

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Speaker 2: here is is not spanking this child. It's literally the

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Speaker 3: Of course that's right, and if that's the case, that's

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Speaker 3: the case that it might be supported. My point is

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Speaker 3: so the last thing you want to do is just

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Speaker 3: a lot the whole boot camp experience is likely to be.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time here, of course you want

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Speaker 3: to have this middle way, which is what the cabinet

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Speaker 3: our Prime Minister did not a great job of trying

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Speaker 3: to explain to Osking this morning.

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Speaker 2: No, and we're going to come back to that, SAMs

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Speaker 2: I want your take. We'll get it after the break the.

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Speaker 2: Right, we're back with the Huddle, Mark Sainsbury Fellow Rially

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Speaker 2: sames A. What do you think is it's okay to

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Speaker 4: I, Well, the devil is always going to be in

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Speaker 5: I mean, their argument is we have the rights to

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Speaker 4: It's when they're going to outside areas. So that's sort

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, like as Phil says, it's these are

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Speaker 5: damaged kids, so you need to see what is the

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Speaker 5: you know, what are the guidelines, the regulations, the safeguards

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Speaker 5: around putting these you know, and they may be little

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Speaker 5: then under the care of other people. And I think

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Speaker 5: and it's just about I thought it was astonishing this morning.

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Speaker 5: Quite frankly, what was astonishing I thought Mike's interview.

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Speaker 2: Oh you think Luxeon's performance was astonishing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, why, well just.

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Speaker 5: Because he just didn't seem it's just too loose, not

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Speaker 4: He was cheering.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, Phil, I think this was really

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Speaker 2: bad for him. What do you think it.

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Speaker 3: Demonstrate that he's not yet a politician? Actually, when you

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Speaker 3: both know that great politicians could have just flanneled their

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Speaker 3: to his credit lacks and tried to answer it. That's

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Speaker 3: a good thing. So he did try to answer it.

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Speaker 3: But of course the downside is he's not a politician.

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Speaker 3: Every politician knows you need to be on top of

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Speaker 3: all of that detail and you need minders who are

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Speaker 3: clearly that didn't occur, and so he's just demonstrating, I think,

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Speaker 2: But also even I think the problem starts even earlier

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Speaker 2: than trying to flannel his way through that interview, Phil,

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Speaker 2: I think the problem starts with when you are sitting

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Speaker 2: making a decision about boot camps. You know, you're delivering

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Speaker 2: care stuff. You know this is going to be really

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Speaker 2: high up there and political risks for your government. The

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Speaker 2: boot camps are especially. You should pay attention to every

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Speaker 2: single decision that is being made around boot camps. Lock

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Speaker 2: it's high risk stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yes, completely agree. And what's more, you should, with your

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Speaker 3: political advisers in your press secretary, come up with a

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Speaker 3: line that ordinary people completely understand about why you're doing it.

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Speaker 3: That was that's the genius of great politicians like Allen

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Speaker 4: And he doesn't have it yet.

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Speaker 2: And this is the thing, says, because you were around

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Speaker 2: during the Helen Clark years, I mean, heaven would not

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Speaker 2: have she would not have forgotten this.

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Speaker 5: It's funny you say, you say that was when I

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Speaker 5: when I saw when I heard that, and I had

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Speaker 5: first thing I thought was, jeep is it wouldn't have

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Speaker 5: mean she was always on top of absolutely anything. Or

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Speaker 5: as Phil says, if you're not, you know how to

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Speaker 5: get your way out of it.

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Speaker 4: I mean it was, yeah, it was, it was. It

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Speaker 4: was a classic.

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Speaker 1: It really was.

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Speaker 2: Now, Okay, so saying so you weren't doing the Melbourne Cup.

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Speaker 2: You were watching the rallies. Give me your last call

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Speaker 2: before tomorrow. Who wins it?

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Speaker 5: See has head or heart stuff. But I'll tell you

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Speaker 5: what's buoyed me a bit. There was an Iowa poll

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Speaker 5: woman Amen Selza did that. Now Iowa was never in

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Speaker 5: the mix, all right, but it's shining a shift and

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Speaker 5: and this still comes back to them.

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be the big slip.

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Speaker 5: Well it's been out there, but an underestimated issue, the

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Speaker 5: woman's rights to her own body issue is I think

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Speaker 5: is starting to say you.

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Speaker 2: Are wishful thinking? Aren't you? You a wishful thinking?

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Speaker 4: Right? Well, there's a bit of that. And but I

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Speaker 4: watched the Trump looks. He looks.

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Speaker 6: If you prediclarly are purely on their demeanor and how

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Speaker 6: they look today, you'd think Harris was ten points ahead. Interesting,

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Speaker 6: Trump rambling, tired, didn't want to be there, The crowd

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Speaker 6: was muted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is getting he's on the old side.

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Speaker 2: What's your final call?

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Speaker 3: Just a guess And if I was going to guess anything,

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Speaker 3: I guess Trump because I take the view that campaigns

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Speaker 3: win elections when they're that close, and I think Trump

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Speaker 3: said the bigger campaign. I haven't seen them today, Phil,

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Speaker 3: Are you still there?

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Speaker 2: Just just to have a look at your phone. You

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Speaker 2: may have muted yourself with your cheek. Yeah you've muted yourself.

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Speaker 4: Done that. Yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 3: I've got a that cheek. So it's just a guess,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. But if I was to choose anybody right now,

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Speaker 3: I just guess Trump because the argument might be that

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Speaker 3: campaigns win elections, and on that basis, he's had the

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Speaker 3: better campaign, I think. But I think Sains is right

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Speaker 3: in the sense that also turn out wins elections. As

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Speaker 3: the point of me, among a lot of people, the

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Speaker 3: And I think I think actually Carmala Harris will get

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Speaker 3: her vote out and Trump may not. So it's a

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Speaker 3: knife edge, and we won't know what I suspect for

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Speaker 3: some time because there's going to be a lot of disputation.

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Speaker 3: But I get to pick Trump. But I kind of

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Speaker 3: hope for the sake of global geopolitics and the stability

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Speaker 3: of things, I kind of hope Harris. But I don't

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Speaker 3: hope Harris in the sense that she's going to be

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Speaker 3: any good for New Zealand. None of them are. Neither

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Speaker 3: of them are neither they're going to be great for

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Speaker 3: trade and the kinds of things we need. So it's

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Speaker 3: a you know, it's a bit of a moot point.

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Speaker 3: Who went from my perspective as a New Zealander?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, say so? Can I just give you credit for

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Speaker 2: your your real quick I've done that before, just to

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Speaker 2: help help a mate out.

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Speaker 4: That was the.

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Speaker 5: I've got the bony ere and I'll be talking the

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Speaker 5: I'll look at my phone a bony bit of my

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