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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from US talks Dby were helping you get those DIY

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Speaker 1: projects done right. The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp Call

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighteen eighteen Youth Talk Sibby.

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Speaker 2: The house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 2: grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when the

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Speaker 2: dog is too old to bar, and when you're sitting

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Speaker 2: at the table trying not to starve, sisor home, even

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Speaker 2: when we.

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Speaker 3: Are ben.

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Speaker 2: Even when you're therellone houses all given.

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Speaker 4: When there's goals given.

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Speaker 2: When you go around from the ones you love, your

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Speaker 2: moves screamed us. Broken pans appear in front of locals

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Speaker 2: vestal when they're going.

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Speaker 5: And leaving the.

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Speaker 2: House, even when wilban, even when you're in there alone.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, a very good and welcome along to the

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Speaker 6: Resident Builder on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: You're with me Peter wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and

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Speaker 4: this is an opportunity to talk all things building and construction.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about maintenance, we're talking about repairs. We're talking

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Speaker 4: about new builds. We're talking about what else got anything roofs, walls, windows, floors, foundation,

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Speaker 4: storm water. We can do elect we can do some

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Speaker 4: of the what we call subtrades. How people feel about

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Speaker 4: being called subtradees because typically it's the carpenter as the

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Speaker 4: main trade and then subtradees from there. But hey, look

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Speaker 4: there's no hierarchy on a building site anyway. We can

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Speaker 4: talk about you know, plumbing issues, electrical issues, we can

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Speaker 4: talk about planning, we can talk about legislation, we can

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Speaker 4: talk about new products. And talking about new products, it

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Speaker 4: seems like there might be a lot more new products

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Speaker 4: available to New Zealanders for building and constructing your place,

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Speaker 4: given the recent legislation. So I'll try and summarize that

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Speaker 4: as best I can a little bit later on. But

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Speaker 4: it's been very clearly signaled by the incoming government or

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Speaker 4: new government. Can we say that the government's been around

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Speaker 4: for eighteen months is still a new government. The current government,

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Speaker 4: who was not the same as the previous one, have

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Speaker 4: signaled a while ago that they wanted to see the

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Speaker 4: importation of building materials building products that meet our requirements

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Speaker 4: be a little bit more straightforward. It's probably a nicer

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Speaker 4: way of summarizing that, but that's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 4: To have a conversation during the week with a building

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Speaker 4: terms of proving compliance for a long time, so part

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Speaker 4: of this is not new, but possibly it will make

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Speaker 4: it just slightly easier for people to source products overseas

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Speaker 4: that are compliant with our regulations in terms of you know,

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Speaker 4: the testing and the durability, et cetera, et cetera, and

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Speaker 4: then be able to say, hey, look right, I prove

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Speaker 4: that it's going to work. Here's the testing here, and

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Speaker 4: we know what the standards are, and then go right,

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Speaker 4: let's bring that in. It'll be very interesting to see

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Speaker 4: what sort of you know, the whole thing about this

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Speaker 4: has been it'll make ours is cheaper? Will it make

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Speaker 4: ours is cheaper?

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Speaker 7: Don't know.

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Speaker 4: We'll wait and see, shall we. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 4: ten eighty. We are taking your calls right through till

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Speaker 4: eight point thirty this morning. I have no guests organized,

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Speaker 4: I've got no experts that we need to talk to.

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Speaker 4: So you guys are the experts today. You're the people

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Speaker 4: that I want to talk to. So the lines are open.

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Speaker 4: The number to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 4: Hope if you have been doing a project, I hope

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Speaker 4: that it's gone well. I've had a couple that have

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Speaker 4: a bit of a wrap up, which is awesome. I

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Speaker 4: I should put a bit more detail in there about

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Speaker 4: the process of getting you know, the end picture is

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Speaker 4: always lovely, I think in terms of you know, what

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Speaker 4: was kind of decayed and deteriorating has now been reinstated

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Speaker 4: and hopefully in a much more durable fashion than it

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Speaker 4: was when I first did that job twenty odd years ago.

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Speaker 4: And then a couple of little projects in between, including

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Speaker 4: stripping out my old wood vice that's been bolted to

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Speaker 4: So this involved pulling off an old English mate made

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Speaker 4: Pull it off, clean off years of gunk and glue

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Speaker 4: it looks so good I think I'll carry on using it.

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Speaker 4: The beauty of old tools again. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 4: so let's get stuck and Colin a very good morning

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Speaker 4: to you. Good morning, Peter, Good morning Colin.

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Speaker 8: Peter nineteen sixties house pine X ceiling.

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Speaker 9: In the hallway.

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Speaker 4: Oh yep, yep.

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Speaker 8: Earlier at some stage I put a commercial gas heater

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Speaker 8: in the hallway and a burst of paint.

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Speaker 10: With the heat.

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Speaker 8: Right, how do you feel about going over the top

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Speaker 8: of the pine CKX for that removing it with job?

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Speaker 4: Given that it's a hallway, I think it's probably okay

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Speaker 4: to do it. I mean, look, you can do it regardless.

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Speaker 4: The challenge sometimes is that obviously the pine ex board

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Speaker 4: when those are installed, they're often I can remember doing

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Speaker 4: it years ago. But anyway, it's like a tuber one

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Speaker 4: batten and you just whack those onto the underside of

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Speaker 4: the trusses or the ceiling joists and then put the

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Speaker 4: pine softboard on. And it kind of didn't matter if

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Speaker 4: it was super flat, right, because you know, you can't

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Speaker 4: really tell. So I would start by getting a straightage

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Speaker 4: ceiling is. And then if you can identify where all

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Speaker 4: of the timber fixings are that the pinex is stuck to,

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Speaker 4: you need to take the gooshas down. I would imagine,

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Speaker 4: so pull if there's a scosha that runs around, pull

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Speaker 4: that off. I'd go for some thirteen mil jib board

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Speaker 4: or thirteen mil plasterboard of whatever description, and then long

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Speaker 4: slightly longer screws so that your screw goes through the

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Speaker 4: plaster board, through the pineycks and gets you know, at

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Speaker 4: least twenty or thirty milimeters embedment into the timber beyond,

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Speaker 4: and then it's stopping it and so on. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's doable as long as you check that the ceiling

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Speaker 4: is reasonably flat, because and if it's not, you might

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Speaker 4: have to do some packers, you know, cut some shims

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Speaker 4: or something like that. I can certainly understand why you

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Speaker 4: wouldn't want to pull the pineycks down because it's got, however,

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Speaker 4: many years of dust and stuff on top of it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yep, can you get those those special screws for

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Speaker 8: good at the end that length?

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Speaker 4: Oh, you can get jib screws up to like fifty

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Speaker 4: odd miles or sixty mils if you really need it,

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Speaker 4: because you remember, you know, if you're doing like Fireline,

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Speaker 4: for example, you know you might be fixing through two

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Speaker 4: layers of sixteen mels. So yes, you can get longer screws.

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Speaker 4: No problem at all, No trouble at all, Good luck,

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Speaker 4: take care, all the best bother there you and news

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Speaker 4: talks he'd be. If you have a question, I'm pretty

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Speaker 4: sure I can get an answer for you. Eight hundred

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Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number. Start with the

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Speaker 4: really simple text too, Hey can you tell me the

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Speaker 4: name of the building? Of the name of the building?

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Speaker 4: Show introduction song brings a tear to my eye every

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Speaker 4: time I hear it, Thank you very much. It is

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Speaker 4: such a divisive song in many ways. But look, I

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Speaker 4: have been a huge fan of Ben Harper for a

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Speaker 4: long long time. So that song is houses a home

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Speaker 4: Ben Harper with his mum. Actually that's not a nice

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Speaker 4: part of that particular song, So he sings that with

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Speaker 4: his mum. So Ben Harper House is a home. I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure what album it came off. It's a couple

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Speaker 4: of years ago. Now. Oh eight hundred eighty is the

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Speaker 4: number to call, Hello Margaret, Oh.

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Speaker 11: Good morning. Have a problem with the flooring in my toilet.

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Speaker 11: A bubble has risen under the vinyl and I have

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Speaker 11: had a plumber, a builder and a maintenance man come

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Speaker 11: to look at it, and they are don't know what

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Speaker 11: the problem is. It's not coming from the pedestal of

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Speaker 11: the toilet. In front of the pedestal is a join

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Speaker 11: with a vinyl, and it seems to be wet where

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Speaker 11: the joiner is, and it's there is a big bubble

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Speaker 11: coming and everybody doesn't seem to know the answer to

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Speaker 4: So it sounds like the there's actually two problems there.

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Speaker 4: One is you've got water on the floor, which ideally

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Speaker 4: you shouldn't have. And does it feel like or does

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Speaker 4: it seem like that water is from a leak that

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Speaker 4: no one can determine where the leak's coming from.

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Speaker 11: That's right, it feels quite spongy.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 11: The plumber has told me that it's definitely not coming

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Speaker 11: from the pedestal, and we've had a test to put

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Speaker 11: toilet paper around the pedestal to see it wet. And

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Speaker 11: I had a guy another guy yesterday, and he has

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Speaker 11: looked almost everywhere he could look. He looked, our toilet

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Speaker 11: is next door to our laundry, yes, and he looked

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Speaker 11: to see whether there was a leak coming through there

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Speaker 11: or through the hot water water cylinder. And he's quite perplexed.

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Speaker 11: He just doesn't seem to know where it's coming from.

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Speaker 4: Sure, is the leak always there? Like is the floor

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Speaker 4: always damp in that area?

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 11: When the plumber came, he said, oh, well the floor.

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Speaker 11: The floor's not wet. The floor's not wet. And he said,

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Speaker 11: I don't know what it is. And then the other

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Speaker 11: day I went in there without my shoes on, and

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Speaker 11: I thought, that floor is wet, especially where it's coming

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Speaker 11: where the vinyl has joined in front of the pedestal.

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Speaker 11: If you get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess what the others are doing is how

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Speaker 4: I would approach it, too, which is to go, you know,

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Speaker 4: if there's moisture that's got between is it a timber

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Speaker 4: floor or concrete floor?

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Speaker 11: He said it was a groove flooring.

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Speaker 4: Well, okay, so it's vinyl over the top of tongue

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Speaker 4: and grew right, yes, and so you can go underneath

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Speaker 4: the house and look.

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Speaker 13: Up as he went.

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Speaker 11: The guy I had yesterday, he come under there and

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Speaker 11: had a look, and he was it was more baffle

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Speaker 11: than ever.

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Speaker 4: Right, So I couldn't couldn't find where the water is

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Speaker 4: coming from. Now does the water appear only when you

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Speaker 4: flush the toilet or is it there all the time?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 11: Well, I don't know. Well, the guy I had yesterday

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Speaker 11: he rushed it three times, he said, just to see,

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Speaker 11: and he couldn't see it was coming from there. The

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Speaker 11: only person I haven't had that look at it as

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Speaker 11: a floring guy.

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Speaker 4: And when when you first told me sort of who

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Speaker 4: turned up. It's like, you know, three men, welcome to

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Speaker 4: a bar. There's a plumber or a carpenter and a

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Speaker 4: Your news talk said, be people wolf Camp. It's me

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Speaker 4: joist or next to the joist, and fix some timber there,

432
00:25:05,375 --> 00:25:08,655
Speaker 4: fix some to where the join might be, so you're

433
00:25:08,655 --> 00:25:11,495
Speaker 4: not going to cut between nogs. Let's say you're from

434
00:25:11,535 --> 00:25:16,655
Speaker 4: boundary to boundary, and then replace that and then redo

435
00:25:16,695 --> 00:25:19,055
Speaker 4: the carpet. But when you pull the carpet up, I

436
00:25:19,055 --> 00:25:22,935
Speaker 4: think you'll soon tell whether or not it's been damaged

437
00:25:22,975 --> 00:25:24,615
Speaker 4: to the point that it needs to be replaced, and

438
00:25:24,655 --> 00:25:26,375
Speaker 4: if it does need to be replaced, you just cut

439
00:25:26,375 --> 00:25:29,735
Speaker 4: it out and replace it. There you go. Sounds easy,

440
00:25:29,815 --> 00:25:31,775
Speaker 4: but it's a little bit in it. Oh eight one

441
00:25:31,815 --> 00:25:34,015
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call Roger. We

442
00:25:34,095 --> 00:25:35,335
Speaker 4: have an update on the range hood.

443
00:25:36,575 --> 00:25:41,455
Speaker 10: Yes, Roger, I had a job ringing with him, so

444
00:25:42,055 --> 00:25:46,295
Speaker 10: I found the email. Yes, email, the process of the

445
00:25:46,415 --> 00:25:49,655
Speaker 10: story too. Then it took me a week, so I'm

446
00:25:49,655 --> 00:25:52,615
Speaker 10: waiting for it high So next week by the time

447
00:25:53,295 --> 00:25:53,735
Speaker 10: I'll let you.

448
00:25:54,175 --> 00:25:57,775
Speaker 4: Oh, that would be great. So yeah, I'll let people

449
00:25:57,855 --> 00:26:00,815
Speaker 4: know what the story has been. But I do appreciate.

450
00:26:01,415 --> 00:26:04,295
Speaker 4: I always wonder sometimes with these sorts of calls where

451
00:26:04,335 --> 00:26:06,855
Speaker 4: we end up. So Roger, thanks very much. This was

452
00:26:06,935 --> 00:26:11,215
Speaker 4: an instance where I feel that Roger's been not particularly

453
00:26:11,215 --> 00:26:14,175
Speaker 4: well served by the electrician that came. So the request was,

454
00:26:15,215 --> 00:26:17,455
Speaker 4: I want to put a range shoot in. They have

455
00:26:17,615 --> 00:26:20,975
Speaker 4: installed an extractor fan in the ceiling above the cook top,

456
00:26:21,775 --> 00:26:23,735
Speaker 4: which I don't think will do and it won't do

457
00:26:23,855 --> 00:26:26,775
Speaker 4: the same thing, it won't be anywhere near as effective.

458
00:26:27,695 --> 00:26:30,415
Speaker 4: And then they've been reluctant to sort of engage with him.

459
00:26:30,455 --> 00:26:32,855
Speaker 4: So if and this is the benefit I think of

460
00:26:32,975 --> 00:26:37,215
Speaker 4: professional bodies, you know, membership of in this case, the

461
00:26:37,255 --> 00:26:43,175
Speaker 4: master electricians, hopefully certified builders, master builders, you know, all

462
00:26:43,215 --> 00:26:47,455
Speaker 4: of these professional bodies. IF Roofing Association, that's been a classic.

463
00:26:48,775 --> 00:26:51,215
Speaker 4: If someone has taken the time to join one of

464
00:26:51,255 --> 00:26:55,415
Speaker 4: those organizations, pays their fees, they agree to abide by

465
00:26:55,455 --> 00:26:57,935
Speaker 4: the rules and the standards set down and then when

466
00:26:57,935 --> 00:27:00,095
Speaker 4: there's a problem, you can go to the body, the

467
00:27:00,135 --> 00:27:05,295
Speaker 4: professional body, and ask them to intervene. And that's what

468
00:27:05,335 --> 00:27:08,015
Speaker 4: I suggested that should do. So hopefully we'll get some

469
00:27:08,135 --> 00:27:10,375
Speaker 4: outcome there. But I don't think he was particularly well

470
00:27:10,375 --> 00:27:15,895
Speaker 4: served by that particular electrician not casting aspersions on all electricians.

471
00:27:16,495 --> 00:27:18,375
Speaker 4: I even got told off by mine the other day,

472
00:27:18,375 --> 00:27:20,655
Speaker 4: but that's a whole other story. Oh, eight hundred eighty

473
00:27:20,695 --> 00:27:22,975
Speaker 4: ten eighty the number to call A couple more texts

474
00:27:23,015 --> 00:27:26,495
Speaker 4: About the lie of the fertilizer that ended up being

475
00:27:26,495 --> 00:27:29,615
Speaker 4: deposited on Anna's roof, I take it by an aeroplane

476
00:27:29,615 --> 00:27:36,815
Speaker 4: flying over. Manufactured phosphate fertilizer is extremely acidic, so you'd

477
00:27:36,815 --> 00:27:41,015
Speaker 4: want to neutralize that and remove it because that's potentially

478
00:27:41,055 --> 00:27:43,455
Speaker 4: corrosive to color steel. The other thing is you could

479
00:27:43,695 --> 00:27:50,255
Speaker 4: find out challenging. Color steel is actually a specific brand.

480
00:27:50,575 --> 00:27:53,095
Speaker 4: So there are other people doing things that look like

481
00:27:53,215 --> 00:27:55,935
Speaker 4: color steel, but we can't call them color steel. They

482
00:27:55,975 --> 00:28:01,255
Speaker 4: are pre coated steel roofing products. But it's a little

483
00:28:01,255 --> 00:28:03,695
Speaker 4: bit like when people say I'm going to jib the walls. Well,

484
00:28:03,735 --> 00:28:07,415
Speaker 4: if you use a different product, elephant board, borrel, whatever

485
00:28:07,535 --> 00:28:11,815
Speaker 4: you want to use, then it's plasterboard fixing, not jib fixing.

486
00:28:12,135 --> 00:28:15,295
Speaker 4: Jib fixings only if you happen to install jib as

487
00:28:15,335 --> 00:28:18,535
Speaker 4: made by windstones. Wallboards and color steel is the same.

488
00:28:18,535 --> 00:28:20,015
Speaker 4: So when someone rings up and goes, oh, I've got

489
00:28:20,015 --> 00:28:22,895
Speaker 4: a color steel roof, I go, are you sure? Because

490
00:28:22,895 --> 00:28:26,775
Speaker 4: there are other products out there that are colored and

491
00:28:26,855 --> 00:28:29,495
Speaker 4: are steel and are roofing, but doesn't necessarily make it

492
00:28:29,655 --> 00:28:32,055
Speaker 4: color steel. So either way, I think you get where

493
00:28:32,055 --> 00:28:36,015
Speaker 4: I'm coming from. I think they need a thorough, thorough

494
00:28:36,175 --> 00:28:40,455
Speaker 4: wash off the roof after the old they use. There

495
00:28:40,495 --> 00:28:43,255
Speaker 4: are New Zealand built plane, aren't they. The crop dusting

496
00:28:43,295 --> 00:28:47,375
Speaker 4: ones drop some fertilizer on the roof. Oh eight hundred

497
00:28:47,415 --> 00:28:49,775
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty. We'll take your course, Roger again, Thank

498
00:28:49,775 --> 00:28:52,335
Speaker 4: you very much for that info. I eight hundred eighty

499
00:28:52,415 --> 00:28:56,575
Speaker 4: ten eighty is six thirty eight here at NEWSTALKSZB viewing of.

500
00:28:56,655 --> 00:28:59,255
Speaker 1: The house storting the garden asks Pete for a hand

501
00:28:59,495 --> 00:29:03,215
Speaker 1: the resident builder with Peter wolfcap call eight hundred eighty

502
00:29:03,295 --> 00:29:04,655
Speaker 1: ten eighty USTALGSB.

503
00:29:06,415 --> 00:29:10,295
Speaker 4: I was just thinking about this little project. It's been

504
00:29:10,375 --> 00:29:13,575
Speaker 4: quite productive, I have to say, And to be fair,

505
00:29:13,615 --> 00:29:17,735
Speaker 4: I'm not terribly good at making use of small bits

506
00:29:17,735 --> 00:29:20,975
Speaker 4: of time, right, so it takes me a little while

507
00:29:21,015 --> 00:29:23,295
Speaker 4: to get momentum up for a project, and then when

508
00:29:23,335 --> 00:29:25,415
Speaker 4: I'm doing it, I like to stay focused on it,

509
00:29:25,695 --> 00:29:28,015
Speaker 4: and if I end up with a gap in between,

510
00:29:29,375 --> 00:29:32,135
Speaker 4: not always that great. Whether that's paperwork anywhay, that by

511
00:29:32,175 --> 00:29:34,655
Speaker 4: the bye. But I've been spending a bit of time

512
00:29:34,655 --> 00:29:36,535
Speaker 4: in the workshop over the last couple of weeks, and

513
00:29:36,575 --> 00:29:39,255
Speaker 4: so while I'm waiting for something to set or dry

514
00:29:39,575 --> 00:29:42,895
Speaker 4: or or cure or whatever, I will grab another little

515
00:29:42,935 --> 00:29:49,095
Speaker 4: project and do something. Hence my taking off the wood vice,

516
00:29:49,175 --> 00:29:52,055
Speaker 4: an old fashioned vice that's been on my workbench for

517
00:29:52,695 --> 00:29:54,895
Speaker 4: I really don't know how long. I know I've built

518
00:29:54,935 --> 00:29:58,695
Speaker 4: it sometime in the early nineteen nineties, so probably it's

519
00:29:58,735 --> 00:30:00,775
Speaker 4: been there since then. It's certainly been on the bench

520
00:30:00,815 --> 00:30:02,455
Speaker 4: for as long as we've lived where we are, which

521
00:30:02,495 --> 00:30:05,335
Speaker 4: is getting onto thirty years, so you know it needed

522
00:30:05,375 --> 00:30:09,935
Speaker 4: some work. Anyway, pulled that off, started stripping it down,

523
00:30:10,855 --> 00:30:13,135
Speaker 4: cleaning it up. That sort of thing looks really lovely,

524
00:30:13,175 --> 00:30:15,255
Speaker 4: so now I'm going to put it on. My question

525
00:30:15,335 --> 00:30:17,815
Speaker 4: for you is, if you do some sort of restoration

526
00:30:17,855 --> 00:30:20,335
Speaker 4: of old tools and things like that, is there a

527
00:30:20,415 --> 00:30:24,415
Speaker 4: wax that you use to keep rust at bay And

528
00:30:24,535 --> 00:30:27,295
Speaker 4: I've seen it around, I've heard about it, that sort

529
00:30:27,335 --> 00:30:31,055
Speaker 4: of thing. But if you've got a tip and it

530
00:30:31,135 --> 00:30:35,575
Speaker 4: works for you, please text me nine two so you

531
00:30:35,615 --> 00:30:38,695
Speaker 4: know I've cleaned it back. There's some nice bright metal

532
00:30:38,895 --> 00:30:42,775
Speaker 4: now it's caste obviously, and I want to keep it.

533
00:30:42,775 --> 00:30:44,495
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be perfect, but I want to

534
00:30:44,535 --> 00:30:46,455
Speaker 4: just put something on it that's going to protect it

535
00:30:46,535 --> 00:30:49,855
Speaker 4: but not going to bleed out onto my hands or

536
00:30:49,855 --> 00:30:51,855
Speaker 4: onto a piece of timber, those sorts of things. Now,

537
00:30:51,895 --> 00:30:53,815
Speaker 4: all I need to do is find a nice bit

538
00:30:53,815 --> 00:30:57,055
Speaker 4: of hardwood that I can make some timber jaws on

539
00:30:57,095 --> 00:30:59,295
Speaker 4: the inside of it as well, and then it'll go

540
00:30:59,415 --> 00:31:03,495
Speaker 4: back in. But more of a story about the workbench

541
00:31:03,535 --> 00:31:05,735
Speaker 4: in a moment too. Anyway, we'll get stuck into some callers. Oh,

542
00:31:05,775 --> 00:31:09,495
Speaker 4: eight hundred eighty is the number to call. Hello Catherine,

543
00:31:10,215 --> 00:31:12,415
Speaker 4: Hi hate, Yeah, very well in yourself.

544
00:31:13,255 --> 00:31:18,535
Speaker 12: Good, thank you. Just a question. Back in twenty sixteen,

545
00:31:18,655 --> 00:31:25,415
Speaker 12: we had a fairly top of the line shower installed. Yes,

546
00:31:25,975 --> 00:31:30,535
Speaker 12: since then, it's been leaking. It leaked into the corners

547
00:31:30,575 --> 00:31:33,335
Speaker 12: where the wall meets the shower, so much so that

548
00:31:33,335 --> 00:31:40,775
Speaker 12: the jib board started disintegrating. During those nine years, we

549
00:31:40,895 --> 00:31:44,215
Speaker 12: had the build of that installed it, come back and

550
00:31:44,215 --> 00:31:46,775
Speaker 12: try to repair it three times across those nine years,

551
00:31:48,695 --> 00:31:52,775
Speaker 12: with no luck. It was still leaking. Earlier this week

552
00:31:52,815 --> 00:31:55,415
Speaker 12: we had it stripped out by another builder because I

553
00:31:55,415 --> 00:31:58,775
Speaker 12: didn't want that original builder to work on it again.

554
00:31:58,975 --> 00:32:01,535
Speaker 12: We had the entire shower stripped out by a different

555
00:32:01,535 --> 00:32:04,295
Speaker 12: builder earlier this week and he uncovered quite a few problems,

556
00:32:04,415 --> 00:32:12,615
Speaker 12: and the floorboards were molded, yet lots of problems. It

557
00:32:12,655 --> 00:32:16,135
Speaker 12: wasn't installed correctly to start with. The silicon wasn't right,

558
00:32:16,175 --> 00:32:20,175
Speaker 12: the wall was out of line. It hadn't been done

559
00:32:20,175 --> 00:32:23,215
Speaker 12: properly in the first place. So we're faced with several

560
00:32:23,255 --> 00:32:26,655
Speaker 12: thousand dollars bill. We're just wondering if there's any comeback

561
00:32:26,655 --> 00:32:30,015
Speaker 12: with this original builder. He was a master builder, just

562
00:32:30,055 --> 00:32:33,895
Speaker 12: wondering whether there's any comeback okay with that, or whether

563
00:32:33,935 --> 00:32:37,335
Speaker 12: we're just just going to have to pay the bill

564
00:32:37,415 --> 00:32:39,575
Speaker 12: and insurance we're coming to the party.

565
00:32:39,295 --> 00:32:41,135
Speaker 4: Either No, no, they wouldn't.

566
00:32:43,495 --> 00:32:47,095
Speaker 12: I'm just wondering if there's any comeback with that. I

567
00:32:47,135 --> 00:32:49,935
Speaker 12: mean it was the amount of time seen nine years.

568
00:32:49,695 --> 00:32:54,215
Speaker 4: So yeah, and typically we often talk about the sort

569
00:32:54,255 --> 00:32:59,015
Speaker 4: of ten year warranty period right where you know, as

570
00:32:59,095 --> 00:33:04,335
Speaker 4: if you're doing restricted building work then you're you're expected

571
00:33:04,415 --> 00:33:07,455
Speaker 4: to have a minimum warranty about ten years. Right. So

572
00:33:07,535 --> 00:33:10,655
Speaker 4: as an LBP, which I presume if this per well,

573
00:33:12,135 --> 00:33:12,495
Speaker 4: can you.

574
00:33:12,415 --> 00:33:14,615
Speaker 12: Be a master a masterbility?

575
00:33:14,655 --> 00:33:17,935
Speaker 4: I think, well, look, if you you've obviously got the

576
00:33:17,975 --> 00:33:21,775
Speaker 4: name somewhere, just go to building dot gov dot nz

577
00:33:22,015 --> 00:33:25,295
Speaker 4: and look on the LBP register. Right So, if the

578
00:33:25,335 --> 00:33:31,015
Speaker 4: person is an LBP, then you've sort of got some

579
00:33:31,095 --> 00:33:33,975
Speaker 4: redress through the LBP scheme, but it'll probably be quite

580
00:33:33,975 --> 00:33:38,215
Speaker 4: a hard one to prove. If they are a member

581
00:33:38,255 --> 00:33:41,535
Speaker 4: of Master Builders and they're current with their membership, then

582
00:33:41,815 --> 00:33:45,095
Speaker 4: possibly they could at least have a word with them

583
00:33:45,175 --> 00:33:47,655
Speaker 4: to go, hey, look, you know the work's not great.

584
00:33:48,735 --> 00:33:51,255
Speaker 4: Is the person who is now going to undertake the

585
00:33:51,295 --> 00:33:54,375
Speaker 4: remediation work. They're a licensed building practitioner as well.

586
00:33:55,215 --> 00:33:58,295
Speaker 12: I believe, So okay, all right again, and he's.

587
00:33:58,375 --> 00:34:00,615
Speaker 4: One of the best things. One of the best things

588
00:34:00,615 --> 00:34:02,895
Speaker 4: about the scheme is it takes about thirty seconds to

589
00:34:02,895 --> 00:34:05,575
Speaker 4: find out whether someone's an LBP or not. So building

590
00:34:05,615 --> 00:34:08,815
Speaker 4: dot gov dot in the type you're either there or

591
00:34:08,895 --> 00:34:13,255
Speaker 4: you're not right. So the other option, of course, is

592
00:34:13,295 --> 00:34:18,055
Speaker 4: to go through the disputes tribunal to write us essentially

593
00:34:18,055 --> 00:34:21,455
Speaker 4: a summary of facts, and go, look, this is the work,

594
00:34:21,535 --> 00:34:24,095
Speaker 4: it was poorly done. Here's the evidence for it being

595
00:34:24,135 --> 00:34:27,695
Speaker 4: poorly done, and then try and seek a claim from

596
00:34:27,735 --> 00:34:31,535
Speaker 4: that person through the disputes tribunal that will cover some

597
00:34:31,575 --> 00:34:35,735
Speaker 4: of the costs of the remediation. Now, if you were

598
00:34:35,775 --> 00:34:39,455
Speaker 4: talking about a year later, maybe you would have more grounds.

599
00:34:39,535 --> 00:34:42,575
Speaker 4: You know, the tribunal might decide that well, actually, ten

600
00:34:42,655 --> 00:34:46,655
Speaker 4: years is not an unreasonable amount of time or thereabouts.

601
00:34:46,695 --> 00:34:49,055
Speaker 4: I think that the shower should last much longer than that,

602
00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:52,535
Speaker 4: and I'm sure that the manufacturer of the shower will

603
00:34:52,575 --> 00:34:58,055
Speaker 4: want to say that as well. Those might be your options,

604
00:34:58,055 --> 00:35:02,535
Speaker 4: but it really depends on how much time and effort

605
00:35:02,535 --> 00:35:07,455
Speaker 4: you want to put into this or whether I can

606
00:35:07,495 --> 00:35:10,495
Speaker 4: imagine how incredibly frustrating it is, given that you know

607
00:35:10,655 --> 00:35:13,615
Speaker 4: shower installation. So this is a pre form base and

608
00:35:13,655 --> 00:35:20,695
Speaker 4: a pre formed wall, essentially like a Kitsett shower. They

609
00:35:20,695 --> 00:35:23,055
Speaker 4: should be simple to install, right, But I know that

610
00:35:23,095 --> 00:35:26,295
Speaker 4: they're not. And I know that people often do really

611
00:35:26,375 --> 00:35:29,375
Speaker 4: basic things incorrectly or don't do them at all, and

612
00:35:29,415 --> 00:35:32,055
Speaker 4: that can cause problems. So having the wall, for example,

613
00:35:32,255 --> 00:35:35,175
Speaker 4: out of square or out of plumb will mean that

614
00:35:35,255 --> 00:35:37,415
Speaker 4: trying to get the sheet sit down neatly onto the

615
00:35:37,415 --> 00:35:39,735
Speaker 4: tray is really difficult. You can get around it, but

616
00:35:39,775 --> 00:35:42,255
Speaker 4: if you don't do anything about it, you'll get leaks.

617
00:35:42,975 --> 00:35:44,255
Speaker 4: And that's obviously what's happened.

618
00:35:44,335 --> 00:35:46,775
Speaker 12: Yeah, yees, yeah, and they've had to cut away all

619
00:35:46,815 --> 00:35:48,095
Speaker 12: the floorboards.

620
00:35:47,535 --> 00:35:51,975
Speaker 4: And yeah it is. It'll be a lot of work

621
00:35:52,015 --> 00:35:55,175
Speaker 4: for something that shouldn't. I wonder whether in the end

622
00:35:56,495 --> 00:35:59,535
Speaker 4: try master builders, but dispute tribunerals there for you as well.

623
00:36:01,055 --> 00:36:04,495
Speaker 4: Good luck, thanks for help already, take care all the

624
00:36:04,495 --> 00:36:08,495
Speaker 4: this this is we need to take a break, don't

625
00:36:08,495 --> 00:36:11,375
Speaker 4: we or do we? We do? Okay, Ron is going

626
00:36:11,415 --> 00:36:13,095
Speaker 4: to tell me how to look after my old tools

627
00:36:13,815 --> 00:36:15,375
Speaker 4: after the break back in a moment.

628
00:36:15,175 --> 00:36:18,335
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting with ceiling fixings, or wondering how to

629
00:36:18,375 --> 00:36:20,775
Speaker 1: fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter wolf GAMPI

630
00:36:20,815 --> 00:36:25,455
Speaker 1: call on the resident builder on youth Dogs B.

631
00:36:26,615 --> 00:36:29,855
Speaker 4: I love this text, Hey, Pete. Showers shouldn't be done

632
00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:32,935
Speaker 4: by builders. Get a shower specialist. Ninety percent of the

633
00:36:32,975 --> 00:36:35,775
Speaker 4: time it's the liner to the tray seal, which is

634
00:36:35,775 --> 00:36:40,215
Speaker 4: why manufacturers put additional notes or on the trays about

635
00:36:40,215 --> 00:36:44,575
Speaker 4: fifteen years ago from Simon. Look, I don't completely disagree

636
00:36:44,615 --> 00:36:49,895
Speaker 4: with your Simon, but having installed a shower twenty twenty

637
00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:53,775
Speaker 4: on a project that we were doing myself and it's

638
00:36:53,815 --> 00:36:56,975
Speaker 4: okay and it doesn't leak, I feel that I hear

639
00:36:56,975 --> 00:37:00,215
Speaker 4: what you're saying. I mean they like people rush to

640
00:37:00,255 --> 00:37:02,535
Speaker 4: do them. I think people don't read the instructions, which

641
00:37:02,575 --> 00:37:08,855
Speaker 4: is a classic male thing. M and then and don't

642
00:37:08,895 --> 00:37:11,335
Speaker 4: bother setting them up right. So yeah, someone who does

643
00:37:11,375 --> 00:37:14,095
Speaker 4: them all the time probably will do it better, let's hope,

644
00:37:14,255 --> 00:37:16,855
Speaker 4: than someone who like me does it every five years

645
00:37:16,975 --> 00:37:20,455
Speaker 4: or so. But that's not to say bilders can't do it.

646
00:37:20,535 --> 00:37:22,415
Speaker 4: You just got to do it right. Oh, eight hundred

647
00:37:22,455 --> 00:37:26,015
Speaker 4: eighty eighty ten eighty eight hundred eighty ten eighty that's

648
00:37:26,015 --> 00:37:29,855
Speaker 4: the number to call. Ron talk to me about stopping

649
00:37:29,935 --> 00:37:33,895
Speaker 4: rust on the tools. And I'm in a really rubbish garage, right,

650
00:37:33,975 --> 00:37:37,055
Speaker 4: so I get quite a lot of rust, to be fair.

651
00:37:37,495 --> 00:37:39,455
Speaker 4: So what are you doing morning, Ron?

652
00:37:40,135 --> 00:37:42,895
Speaker 7: Yeah, we are too, right down on the waterfront, right.

653
00:37:44,415 --> 00:37:52,255
Speaker 7: Penetrol Have you ever used penatrol? You get it from

654
00:37:52,295 --> 00:37:55,175
Speaker 7: Bunnings or any of the paint companies. It was originally

655
00:37:55,175 --> 00:37:59,895
Speaker 7: made in the nineteen thirties, made by Flood and it's

656
00:38:00,095 --> 00:38:03,535
Speaker 7: American or American based. It was made to put into

657
00:38:03,575 --> 00:38:07,455
Speaker 7: paint to keep a wet edge paint when you're painting,

658
00:38:07,575 --> 00:38:10,295
Speaker 7: and also pull the brush marks out of it. So

659
00:38:10,455 --> 00:38:14,535
Speaker 7: anything that's turps base, yeah paint, you put a few

660
00:38:14,575 --> 00:38:18,655
Speaker 7: drops and instead of turps and it flows everything out. Now.

661
00:38:19,935 --> 00:38:23,335
Speaker 7: I use it on aluminion windows. Put it on a

662
00:38:23,415 --> 00:38:27,055
Speaker 7: rag and wipe it around your alminion windows. If it's

663
00:38:27,095 --> 00:38:30,255
Speaker 7: powder coated, you won't believe what it'll look like. It'll

664
00:38:30,295 --> 00:38:32,375
Speaker 7: come up like brand new, just on a bit of

665
00:38:32,455 --> 00:38:37,015
Speaker 7: rag and the sun doesn't affect it. As I say,

666
00:38:37,095 --> 00:38:39,855
Speaker 7: I've put it all on my aluminion windows. We're right

667
00:38:39,895 --> 00:38:42,695
Speaker 7: down on the waterfront. Salt water, salt air, God knows,

668
00:38:42,695 --> 00:38:47,615
Speaker 7: what seals all the joints. It's got a lovely flat

669
00:38:47,695 --> 00:38:51,455
Speaker 7: finish to it. It dries it, it's not sticky, but

670
00:38:51,575 --> 00:38:52,735
Speaker 7: on your tools.

671
00:38:52,815 --> 00:38:54,855
Speaker 4: That's what I was wondering about, is that, you know,

672
00:38:55,015 --> 00:38:57,535
Speaker 4: like you can put all sorts of things on, but

673
00:38:57,575 --> 00:38:59,975
Speaker 4: then every time you touch it, you've got that residue

674
00:38:59,975 --> 00:39:02,415
Speaker 4: on your fingers. Right, So I want something that's going

675
00:39:02,495 --> 00:39:06,015
Speaker 4: to kind of bond to the surface, let's say, but

676
00:39:06,415 --> 00:39:07,855
Speaker 4: the dry to the touch.

677
00:39:08,695 --> 00:39:13,095
Speaker 7: Yes, And it's absolutely dry, and it puts a beautiful

678
00:39:13,095 --> 00:39:15,375
Speaker 7: finish on it. So easy to use. You just put

679
00:39:15,455 --> 00:39:17,455
Speaker 7: on a bit of rag and just wipe it around

680
00:39:17,495 --> 00:39:20,735
Speaker 7: your your element and joint round stuff like that. But

681
00:39:21,415 --> 00:39:27,255
Speaker 7: as far as preserving old tools and old things that

682
00:39:27,335 --> 00:39:31,575
Speaker 7: have rusters started to bubble through the paint, like a bike,

683
00:39:31,695 --> 00:39:35,975
Speaker 7: mudguards or bikes, and ye put it on that, you

684
00:39:36,015 --> 00:39:39,855
Speaker 7: won't believe what will happen. It'll preserve it. So it

685
00:39:40,015 --> 00:39:44,815
Speaker 7: keeps it in keeping. And it's the it says it

686
00:39:44,855 --> 00:39:51,495
Speaker 7: makes paint stick to anything with glass, bronze, copper, element

687
00:39:51,615 --> 00:39:55,895
Speaker 7: and steel. My grandson I got him the easily built

688
00:39:55,895 --> 00:39:59,415
Speaker 7: a steel desk with a wooden top on it and

689
00:39:59,655 --> 00:40:03,935
Speaker 7: cleaned all the steel up and wiped it over with penetrols.

690
00:40:04,055 --> 00:40:08,895
Speaker 7: It's made a fantastic finish on it, and it's really

691
00:40:08,935 --> 00:40:11,375
Speaker 7: really good on all the tools on my boat. I

692
00:40:12,615 --> 00:40:15,335
Speaker 7: use it there on your saws and things like that.

693
00:40:17,735 --> 00:40:20,335
Speaker 4: Exactly that. The other day, in fact, yesterday, I was

694
00:40:20,335 --> 00:40:23,215
Speaker 4: in the workshop grabbed an old hand saw that I've

695
00:40:23,215 --> 00:40:25,295
Speaker 4: got hanging on the wall because there's one cut that

696
00:40:25,375 --> 00:40:27,935
Speaker 4: I just couldn't do any other way. And you know,

697
00:40:28,055 --> 00:40:30,535
Speaker 4: one side of it had started to get I mean,

698
00:40:30,575 --> 00:40:32,535
Speaker 4: it's pretty old, but it started to get some rust

699
00:40:32,575 --> 00:40:34,215
Speaker 4: on it, and I was like, oh damn, I need

700
00:40:34,255 --> 00:40:36,935
Speaker 4: to look Ideally, I need to get a better workshop.

701
00:40:37,015 --> 00:40:39,455
Speaker 4: But in the event that I can't do that, then

702
00:40:39,495 --> 00:40:41,615
Speaker 4: something like this might be the go Thank.

703
00:40:41,495 --> 00:40:42,055
Speaker 16: You all much.

704
00:40:42,295 --> 00:40:43,055
Speaker 4: Looks looks great.

705
00:40:43,095 --> 00:40:48,415
Speaker 7: Scotch, Scotch Bright or partner. If it's a really stainless

706
00:40:48,415 --> 00:40:52,815
Speaker 7: Partner or Scotch Bright. It won't scratch the surface and things,

707
00:40:52,855 --> 00:40:56,055
Speaker 7: but you won't believe what it'll do to powder coating.

708
00:40:58,335 --> 00:41:01,575
Speaker 7: It's cheap. It's about thredy five bucks or something.

709
00:41:02,295 --> 00:41:06,615
Speaker 4: It's gone up and it's gone. It's forty three dollars

710
00:41:06,655 --> 00:41:09,975
Speaker 4: thirty is where I found it for a litera and oh, look,

711
00:41:09,975 --> 00:41:12,015
Speaker 4: I'll probably get through it. Hey, Ron really appreciate it,

712
00:41:12,055 --> 00:41:14,655
Speaker 4: thank you very much. And this was a day that

713
00:41:14,695 --> 00:41:16,895
Speaker 4: I thought after the show, I'll just go straight home.

714
00:41:16,935 --> 00:41:18,895
Speaker 4: Now it looks like I'm going to the hardware store, which,

715
00:41:18,935 --> 00:41:21,535
Speaker 4: to be fair, is not too much of it. It's

716
00:41:21,575 --> 00:41:26,375
Speaker 4: not odious for me. Probably there, I don't know, once

717
00:41:26,415 --> 00:41:30,375
Speaker 4: a week, twice a week, maybe maybe a little bit less. Anyway,

718
00:41:30,495 --> 00:41:31,975
Speaker 4: I know what I will be doing. I'll be back

719
00:41:32,015 --> 00:41:34,255
Speaker 4: straight after news, sport and weather. We'll take your calls

720
00:41:34,375 --> 00:41:35,055
Speaker 4: after the news.

721
00:41:37,575 --> 00:41:41,215
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor. Get the right advice from

722
00:41:41,255 --> 00:41:47,975
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on news talks MB oh right, hey.

723
00:41:47,975 --> 00:41:51,975
Speaker 4: Look this is I was asking for advice. I'm more

724
00:41:52,015 --> 00:41:57,895
Speaker 4: than happy to take calls of course as well, because

725
00:41:57,935 --> 00:42:01,135
Speaker 4: I look I extuly. I'll put a photograph up on

726
00:42:01,735 --> 00:42:05,975
Speaker 4: social media the other day yesterday, I think sometime so

727
00:42:06,015 --> 00:42:09,215
Speaker 4: I have a look for resident builder on either Instagram

728
00:42:09,295 --> 00:42:12,895
Speaker 4: or Facebook. You'll find it there. And there's my little vice, right,

729
00:42:13,495 --> 00:42:16,175
Speaker 4: I've had it for ages and ages. It's been on

730
00:42:16,215 --> 00:42:20,615
Speaker 4: the bench. My bench is covered with a sheet of tryboard. Right,

731
00:42:20,695 --> 00:42:23,015
Speaker 4: So when I first made my work bench many many

732
00:42:23,095 --> 00:42:26,415
Speaker 4: years ago, I did it in the same style as

733
00:42:26,455 --> 00:42:28,015
Speaker 4: the ones that you would have had if you did

734
00:42:28,215 --> 00:42:32,175
Speaker 4: woodwork lessons at high school or at intermediate. In my case,

735
00:42:33,455 --> 00:42:34,935
Speaker 4: we didn't. I went to a school. We didn't have

736
00:42:34,975 --> 00:42:38,255
Speaker 4: our own woodwork shop at school, so we had to

737
00:42:38,295 --> 00:42:41,335
Speaker 4: go in a bus down the road to another school

738
00:42:41,415 --> 00:42:43,975
Speaker 4: or to another place to do woodwork in Form one

739
00:42:44,015 --> 00:42:46,135
Speaker 4: and Form two as it was back in the day,

740
00:42:46,175 --> 00:42:50,375
Speaker 4: so year seven and eight and woodwork benches back then

741
00:42:50,455 --> 00:42:52,415
Speaker 4: were often done in such a way that you had

742
00:42:52,535 --> 00:42:56,055
Speaker 4: two raised planks on the outside and a slightly lower

743
00:42:56,095 --> 00:42:58,615
Speaker 4: one on the inside right, so you had the step

744
00:42:58,655 --> 00:43:00,415
Speaker 4: down in the middle of the bench. So when I

745
00:43:00,535 --> 00:43:03,455
Speaker 4: made my work bench, I don't know how many years

746
00:43:03,455 --> 00:43:05,615
Speaker 4: ago I did exactly that. I had a couple of

747
00:43:05,615 --> 00:43:08,015
Speaker 4: pieces of twelve two and then the middle one was

748
00:43:08,095 --> 00:43:11,215
Speaker 4: recessed and so on, which, to be fair, nowadays I

749
00:43:11,255 --> 00:43:14,135
Speaker 4: find a little bit annoying. So again I don't know

750
00:43:14,175 --> 00:43:15,935
Speaker 4: how many years ago. It's got to be ten or

751
00:43:15,975 --> 00:43:19,815
Speaker 4: fifteen years ago. I had a leftover sheet of triboard

752
00:43:20,895 --> 00:43:24,335
Speaker 4: triboards made by Jane L. Ducan, and I got that

753
00:43:24,455 --> 00:43:26,415
Speaker 4: and I cut it down to roughly the size of

754
00:43:26,495 --> 00:43:28,775
Speaker 4: the top and I just put a couple of screws

755
00:43:28,775 --> 00:43:30,215
Speaker 4: through it and fixed it on top. So I've got

756
00:43:30,215 --> 00:43:35,855
Speaker 4: a flat surface to work on. And the triboarders, you know,

757
00:43:35,935 --> 00:43:39,015
Speaker 4: you can do house framing, you can do interior linings.

758
00:43:39,055 --> 00:43:41,175
Speaker 4: I don't think the triboard people ever thought that you

759
00:43:41,735 --> 00:43:43,735
Speaker 4: someone like me would use it as a work bench

760
00:43:44,215 --> 00:43:48,575
Speaker 4: for as long as it has. But look, I paint

761
00:43:48,655 --> 00:43:51,055
Speaker 4: on it, I weld on it, I grind on it,

762
00:43:51,135 --> 00:43:54,215
Speaker 4: I screw things into it, I cut on top of it.

763
00:43:54,415 --> 00:43:57,895
Speaker 4: I cleaned down tools on it. Da da da da da. Anyway,

764
00:43:58,055 --> 00:44:00,935
Speaker 4: it's thoroughly abused, and so one corner of it, where

765
00:44:00,975 --> 00:44:03,055
Speaker 4: I tend to do most of my work, was starting

766
00:44:03,055 --> 00:44:06,215
Speaker 4: to look quite pitted with saw cuts and drill marks

767
00:44:06,335 --> 00:44:08,895
Speaker 4: and screw holes and so on. So for the first time,

768
00:44:08,935 --> 00:44:11,815
Speaker 4: and like I say, more than ten probably fifteen years,

769
00:44:12,295 --> 00:44:16,015
Speaker 4: I unscrewed it, flipped it around, just end for end,

770
00:44:16,535 --> 00:44:19,135
Speaker 4: like swapping a mattress over, and now I've got a

771
00:44:19,135 --> 00:44:22,535
Speaker 4: slightly better corner to work on. The amazing thing is

772
00:44:22,535 --> 00:44:24,455
Speaker 4: that in a couple of years time, I'll probably just

773
00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:27,175
Speaker 4: turn it over and use the underside. But I still

774
00:44:27,175 --> 00:44:31,375
Speaker 4: haven't worn through the top of the old triboard so durable, yes, definitely.

775
00:44:31,455 --> 00:44:33,615
Speaker 4: But in doing that, that's why I could get to

776
00:44:33,655 --> 00:44:36,055
Speaker 4: the bolts for the vice, and I took the vice off,

777
00:44:36,255 --> 00:44:38,775
Speaker 4: cleaned the vice down the vice. I took a little

778
00:44:38,815 --> 00:44:41,575
Speaker 4: photograph of put it up on the old socials yesterday.

779
00:44:41,935 --> 00:44:46,295
Speaker 4: And now I've asked you listeners what type of product

780
00:44:46,335 --> 00:44:48,415
Speaker 4: I can use to put over the top of the

781
00:44:48,455 --> 00:44:52,535
Speaker 4: bear metal to ensure that it doesn't rust. And I've

782
00:44:52,575 --> 00:44:56,215
Speaker 4: had a heap of text messages, thank you very much.

783
00:44:56,575 --> 00:44:58,295
Speaker 4: The one that I was talking to Ron about just

784
00:44:58,335 --> 00:45:02,975
Speaker 4: before the break is a product called penetrol so peen

785
00:45:03,095 --> 00:45:07,895
Speaker 4: e tro l, and I found under one liter container

786
00:45:07,975 --> 00:45:10,375
Speaker 4: of it. But I've also found that it comes in

787
00:45:10,415 --> 00:45:14,895
Speaker 4: an aerosol, which could be quite helpful. So I might

788
00:45:14,895 --> 00:45:18,055
Speaker 4: go for the aerosol on my way home, which means

789
00:45:18,095 --> 00:45:20,615
Speaker 4: I won't be home for a little while because while

790
00:45:20,615 --> 00:45:22,735
Speaker 4: I'm at the store there will be something else that

791
00:45:22,775 --> 00:45:25,495
Speaker 4: I need to buy as well. Anyway, that's my day

792
00:45:25,495 --> 00:45:27,575
Speaker 4: sort of. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, let's talk

793
00:45:27,575 --> 00:45:30,095
Speaker 4: about your projects. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

794
00:45:30,135 --> 00:45:31,895
Speaker 4: the number to call. I will go through some of

795
00:45:31,895 --> 00:45:35,095
Speaker 4: the texts about different products, but the one that I

796
00:45:35,135 --> 00:45:37,495
Speaker 4: think I'm settling on right now. I love this one

797
00:45:37,535 --> 00:45:43,535
Speaker 4: person that takes through about like boiled linseed oil. I

798
00:45:43,575 --> 00:45:45,775
Speaker 4: know I've seen people who do restoration of sort of

799
00:45:45,775 --> 00:45:48,895
Speaker 4: metal items, you know, old draws and bench tops and

800
00:45:48,935 --> 00:45:52,335
Speaker 4: things like that, who might use a type of wax.

801
00:45:53,255 --> 00:45:56,895
Speaker 4: So if you've had success with that, give me a call. Oh,

802
00:45:56,975 --> 00:45:59,975
Speaker 4: eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call Roger.

803
00:46:00,055 --> 00:46:04,295
Speaker 4: Good morning, morning, Roger. I'm well in yourself.

804
00:46:04,975 --> 00:46:08,055
Speaker 17: Oh, not too bad, that's too bad. I've got a

805
00:46:08,055 --> 00:46:09,655
Speaker 17: small problem what you're can to help me with. They

806
00:46:09,695 --> 00:46:12,135
Speaker 17: had this place built or three years ago. It's only

807
00:46:12,175 --> 00:46:16,095
Speaker 17: a small place, and had some laminated smaller input down. Yes,

808
00:46:16,815 --> 00:46:20,215
Speaker 17: and after about twelve months it started, you know, bowing

809
00:46:20,255 --> 00:46:22,935
Speaker 17: and twisting in the middle of it. It's only a

810
00:46:23,015 --> 00:46:25,335
Speaker 17: small area. So we had the people come out and

811
00:46:25,335 --> 00:46:28,695
Speaker 17: they redid it. But it started again after two years

812
00:46:28,735 --> 00:46:33,375
Speaker 17: three years. Is that because there's crocretly paired? Is it

813
00:46:33,495 --> 00:46:34,975
Speaker 17: because of it's on even or.

814
00:46:36,695 --> 00:46:39,815
Speaker 4: Look to be fair, it could be sort of multiple sources, right,

815
00:46:39,855 --> 00:46:41,855
Speaker 4: It could be multiple reasons for that to happen. So

816
00:46:43,015 --> 00:46:45,615
Speaker 4: the concrete slab, I presume the concrete slab is an

817
00:46:45,655 --> 00:46:47,615
Speaker 4: older concrete slab and it's dry.

818
00:46:48,575 --> 00:46:50,015
Speaker 17: There was a new build three years ago.

819
00:46:50,135 --> 00:46:55,175
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, How did anyone test the moisture content of

820
00:46:55,215 --> 00:46:57,775
Speaker 4: the concrete slab before they put the laminate flooring down?

821
00:46:58,775 --> 00:47:01,935
Speaker 17: No, I would say, no, small place we had to build.

822
00:47:02,015 --> 00:47:05,975
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay. And if they didn't test it, did

823
00:47:06,015 --> 00:47:08,815
Speaker 4: they down a vapor barrier over the top of the

824
00:47:08,895 --> 00:47:12,175
Speaker 4: concrete before I straight lemonated.

825
00:47:12,535 --> 00:47:15,895
Speaker 17: It's not very thick lemonade, but you know, straight into

826
00:47:15,935 --> 00:47:17,135
Speaker 17: the concrete, I'd think.

827
00:47:17,535 --> 00:47:21,215
Speaker 4: Yeah, that might be the problem. Right, And even after

828
00:47:21,295 --> 00:47:24,975
Speaker 4: this time, there may still be sufficient moisture in the slab,

829
00:47:25,535 --> 00:47:28,055
Speaker 4: and especially now that you've you know, you've encapsulated that

830
00:47:28,135 --> 00:47:30,335
Speaker 4: moisture by putting the laminate floor on it, right, So

831
00:47:30,895 --> 00:47:33,335
Speaker 4: it's not going to continue drying out, and it's going

832
00:47:33,375 --> 00:47:37,535
Speaker 4: to continue to exude that moisture or extrude that moisture,

833
00:47:38,375 --> 00:47:40,855
Speaker 4: release it, and that'll get sucked up into the flooring

834
00:47:41,175 --> 00:47:43,655
Speaker 4: and that might cause the flooring to move. The flooring.

835
00:47:43,815 --> 00:47:46,055
Speaker 4: Is it a floating floor or a glued down floor.

836
00:47:48,535 --> 00:47:52,015
Speaker 17: I'm presuming it's a floating flooring. I didn't sort of

837
00:47:52,175 --> 00:47:53,375
Speaker 17: won't here when they came back and.

838
00:47:53,455 --> 00:47:53,895
Speaker 14: Did it, but.

839
00:47:56,295 --> 00:47:58,895
Speaker 4: You tap it, does it feel a little bit drummy,

840
00:47:58,975 --> 00:47:59,695
Speaker 4: a little bit hollow?

841
00:47:59,815 --> 00:48:00,855
Speaker 17: It does? It does?

842
00:48:00,935 --> 00:48:03,095
Speaker 4: Okay, So it might be a floating floor. The other

843
00:48:03,175 --> 00:48:05,735
Speaker 4: thing that people sometimes don't do with a floating floor

844
00:48:05,855 --> 00:48:11,415
Speaker 4: is enough space for expansion and contraction, because they will

845
00:48:11,535 --> 00:48:14,415
Speaker 4: move a little bit. And one of the other common

846
00:48:14,495 --> 00:48:17,095
Speaker 4: things is sometimes when it comes to the installation of

847
00:48:17,175 --> 00:48:21,415
Speaker 4: the kitchen, people may end up with panels that come

848
00:48:21,495 --> 00:48:24,495
Speaker 4: down and trap the floor and stop the floor from moving.

849
00:48:25,055 --> 00:48:27,895
Speaker 4: So typically, if you're laying the floor, you'd leave like

850
00:48:27,975 --> 00:48:30,775
Speaker 4: a ten mil gap around the perimeter, which you then

851
00:48:30,855 --> 00:48:33,375
Speaker 4: cover with the skirting board. You make sure that end

852
00:48:33,455 --> 00:48:35,855
Speaker 4: panels and those sorts of things don't come down and sit.

853
00:48:36,215 --> 00:48:39,175
Speaker 4: You certainly don't put your cabinets on top of a

854
00:48:39,415 --> 00:48:42,055
Speaker 4: floating floor because that will trap it and then the

855
00:48:42,135 --> 00:48:45,815
Speaker 4: inevitable movement will want to happen, and instead of being

856
00:48:46,655 --> 00:48:49,695
Speaker 4: able to sort of expand and contract, it's constrained and

857
00:48:49,775 --> 00:48:56,655
Speaker 4: then the boards will cup in a certain place. The

858
00:48:57,015 --> 00:49:00,335
Speaker 4: work that was done, was there any warranties off it

859
00:49:00,415 --> 00:49:02,055
Speaker 4: up or anything like that, because I'm sure that the

860
00:49:02,095 --> 00:49:05,135
Speaker 4: person the manufacturer of the product doesn't want to see

861
00:49:05,135 --> 00:49:09,855
Speaker 4: the product fail this way, not know.

862
00:49:10,295 --> 00:49:16,415
Speaker 17: Like we hit the capital two and a half by

863
00:49:16,535 --> 00:49:18,295
Speaker 17: two and a half meter spare for the kitchen, and

864
00:49:18,415 --> 00:49:22,175
Speaker 17: then yeah, all there's three sides have been more silicon.

865
00:49:22,575 --> 00:49:26,935
Speaker 4: But yeah, I wonder whether I do in this instance,

866
00:49:27,535 --> 00:49:29,855
Speaker 4: possibly there's an issue with the slab, and then there's

867
00:49:30,015 --> 00:49:32,135
Speaker 4: probably an issue with the way in which it's been

868
00:49:32,215 --> 00:49:34,015
Speaker 4: laid that doesn't allow it to move.

869
00:49:34,615 --> 00:49:39,375
Speaker 17: And in which case, when an inuation underneath the tire

870
00:49:39,495 --> 00:49:40,935
Speaker 17: an the yes.

871
00:49:41,415 --> 00:49:44,655
Speaker 4: Sometimes those floating floors are often laid down over a

872
00:49:44,775 --> 00:49:47,975
Speaker 4: mat of some description, and and some of those mats

873
00:49:48,415 --> 00:49:52,775
Speaker 4: will help control moisture. But I think on a new

874
00:49:52,815 --> 00:49:55,895
Speaker 4: build I'd often be inclined to try and put down

875
00:49:55,935 --> 00:49:59,655
Speaker 4: an actual apply a vapor barrier to the top of

876
00:49:59,735 --> 00:50:02,135
Speaker 4: the slab before I did a floating floor over the

877
00:50:02,215 --> 00:50:05,095
Speaker 4: top of it. And if that's not there, then that's

878
00:50:05,135 --> 00:50:09,335
Speaker 4: probably part of it. Have you like, do you have

879
00:50:09,455 --> 00:50:12,935
Speaker 4: confidence in the contractor who did it to solve the

880
00:50:13,015 --> 00:50:14,615
Speaker 4: problem or are you looking for someone else?

881
00:50:15,015 --> 00:50:15,175
Speaker 3: Well?

882
00:50:15,175 --> 00:50:17,175
Speaker 17: I did ring him up, but he was sort of this.

883
00:50:17,575 --> 00:50:19,335
Speaker 17: He wouldn't give him Geese said it, come out and

884
00:50:19,455 --> 00:50:23,735
Speaker 17: redo it again and charges this time, and right, they

885
00:50:23,735 --> 00:50:25,695
Speaker 17: wouldn't guarantee it it wouldn't happen again.

886
00:50:25,855 --> 00:50:29,575
Speaker 4: So yeah, okay, hey, look, if you want another bit

887
00:50:29,615 --> 00:50:34,015
Speaker 4: of advice, there's a company called Extreme Flooring. If you're

888
00:50:34,055 --> 00:50:38,735
Speaker 4: in the auto Extreme Flooring and in June, who runs

889
00:50:38,815 --> 00:50:41,055
Speaker 4: that knows a lot about it. He's been in that

890
00:50:41,135 --> 00:50:43,775
Speaker 4: space for a long time. He might be a good

891
00:50:43,815 --> 00:50:47,615
Speaker 4: person to talk to. Okay, mate, all the best, take care,

892
00:50:48,415 --> 00:50:51,695
Speaker 4: Thank you, Zerah Roger. Now quickly these texts, can you

893
00:50:51,975 --> 00:50:54,535
Speaker 4: repeat or spell the name of that product to restore

894
00:50:54,575 --> 00:50:57,095
Speaker 4: and stop rust on tools? Would really appreciate that from

895
00:50:57,135 --> 00:50:59,415
Speaker 4: Mary Anne. Look, the one that's been suggested, and I'm

896
00:50:59,455 --> 00:51:01,815
Speaker 4: open to other suggestions to be fair, is a product

897
00:51:01,855 --> 00:51:04,215
Speaker 4: called Penetrol, which I'm pretty sure I've heard about somewhere

898
00:51:04,215 --> 00:51:09,815
Speaker 4: along the line. So e tro l. Turns out you

899
00:51:09,815 --> 00:51:13,975
Speaker 4: can buy it an Elita container or an aerosol. I

900
00:51:14,095 --> 00:51:15,655
Speaker 4: might have a look at the aerosol on the way home.

901
00:51:16,175 --> 00:51:19,055
Speaker 4: Further to the earlier tos text, read the soft seal.

902
00:51:19,215 --> 00:51:20,815
Speaker 4: Use it on part of the vice that's under the

903
00:51:20,855 --> 00:51:23,935
Speaker 4: bench top. This is I'm pretty sure I've got a

904
00:51:24,015 --> 00:51:27,815
Speaker 4: canad this at home. It's a spray which but it

905
00:51:27,935 --> 00:51:31,295
Speaker 4: goes on quite thick and it's sort of tacky. So

906
00:51:31,855 --> 00:51:35,495
Speaker 4: I'm thinking that I've used it, you know, if I've

907
00:51:35,535 --> 00:51:37,415
Speaker 4: cleaned up a spade, right, and I might not use

908
00:51:37,455 --> 00:51:39,855
Speaker 4: it for a couple of weeks or months or maybe

909
00:51:39,895 --> 00:51:42,375
Speaker 4: even longer. I've used it there, but I don't know

910
00:51:42,415 --> 00:51:44,055
Speaker 4: that i'd want to use it on something that I'm

911
00:51:44,135 --> 00:51:47,695
Speaker 4: going to handle often. I don't think that's the right one.

912
00:51:48,975 --> 00:51:53,135
Speaker 4: Mate uses penetrol, keeps that Russ patina on classic cars

913
00:51:53,175 --> 00:51:55,695
Speaker 4: that he restores. I quite like that, look, I have

914
00:51:55,815 --> 00:51:59,415
Speaker 4: to say. And then a random text, Pete, when is

915
00:51:59,415 --> 00:52:02,215
Speaker 4: the Block coming back? Always enjoyed watching you on the show.

916
00:52:03,655 --> 00:52:06,215
Speaker 4: I don't think it well at the stage, there's no

917
00:52:06,495 --> 00:52:08,895
Speaker 4: sign that it's coming back. Although now that Sky has

918
00:52:08,975 --> 00:52:11,215
Speaker 4: brought three, who knows, maybe they'll look at it and go,

919
00:52:11,855 --> 00:52:14,095
Speaker 4: what was our number one rating show? It was the Block?

920
00:52:14,135 --> 00:52:16,055
Speaker 4: Why don't we bring it back? That's a good idea.

921
00:52:16,375 --> 00:52:18,855
Speaker 4: Give me a call. Oh eight hundred eighty eighty is

922
00:52:18,935 --> 00:52:23,415
Speaker 4: the number to call David. Good morning to you, Hi, Pete.

923
00:52:23,415 --> 00:52:25,255
Speaker 4: How are you good? Hey David? I'm well, thank you.

924
00:52:26,095 --> 00:52:26,575
Speaker 8: That's good.

925
00:52:27,015 --> 00:52:32,895
Speaker 18: So we've got a nineteen eighties house. Garage basement is leaky.

926
00:52:33,255 --> 00:52:38,015
Speaker 18: It's concrete block and on the outside we've got basically

927
00:52:39,175 --> 00:52:42,175
Speaker 18: dirt going up one half meters and then a deck,

928
00:52:42,335 --> 00:52:47,175
Speaker 18: so it's yes, not easily accessed. So what we have

929
00:52:47,375 --> 00:52:50,335
Speaker 18: done is we had a retired builder come in help

930
00:52:50,575 --> 00:52:55,695
Speaker 18: with on the outside put in waterproofing, put in foam

931
00:52:56,575 --> 00:53:00,535
Speaker 18: and then putting in waterproof sheeting on top. And on

932
00:53:00,655 --> 00:53:04,255
Speaker 18: the inside we've put some sort of waterproof paint right

933
00:53:04,535 --> 00:53:10,455
Speaker 18: and last downpours we've had water puddle puddling in the garage.

934
00:53:11,135 --> 00:53:14,375
Speaker 18: Looks like it's coming in maybe from the top near

935
00:53:14,455 --> 00:53:17,975
Speaker 18: the brick work, as well as at the bottom. So

936
00:53:18,055 --> 00:53:23,295
Speaker 18: I guess two things, one without hopefully having to dig

937
00:53:23,415 --> 00:53:28,095
Speaker 18: right down, which is not quite mission impossible, putting something

938
00:53:28,855 --> 00:53:32,415
Speaker 18: on the bricks and some port in case it's coming

939
00:53:32,495 --> 00:53:36,095
Speaker 18: through the bricks, some sort of waterproofing on the outside bricks,

940
00:53:37,415 --> 00:53:40,175
Speaker 18: and then on the inside. I don't know what we

941
00:53:40,655 --> 00:53:45,095
Speaker 18: do from that. We actually put a message on community

942
00:53:45,255 --> 00:53:48,495
Speaker 18: Facebook yesterday and we had to reply someone coming around

943
00:53:48,535 --> 00:53:54,335
Speaker 18: today to put something on the inside with a ten

944
00:53:54,415 --> 00:53:58,335
Speaker 18: year warranty, and someone else who replied and said, don't

945
00:53:58,375 --> 00:54:03,335
Speaker 18: bother doing that's just on the inside. It won't It's

946
00:54:03,415 --> 00:54:07,655
Speaker 18: wondering where we go from there and or so whether

947
00:54:07,775 --> 00:54:10,735
Speaker 18: you have an on air or off air recommendation.

948
00:54:11,295 --> 00:54:16,135
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it's probably no consolation, but it's not an

949
00:54:16,295 --> 00:54:20,575
Speaker 4: uncommon problem nineteen eighties build, though, I would have expected

950
00:54:20,735 --> 00:54:23,815
Speaker 4: that on the exterior of the block work that goes

951
00:54:23,855 --> 00:54:27,255
Speaker 4: into the basement area that there would have been some

952
00:54:28,495 --> 00:54:31,455
Speaker 4: probably what we flint coat or a similar sort.

953
00:54:31,335 --> 00:54:33,535
Speaker 18: Of black definite black.

954
00:54:33,935 --> 00:54:37,575
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so that should extend all the way down

955
00:54:37,615 --> 00:54:41,495
Speaker 4: the blocks and ideally lap onto the foundation and so on.

956
00:54:41,695 --> 00:54:45,335
Speaker 4: And then I don't think we were you know, I

957
00:54:45,495 --> 00:54:47,735
Speaker 4: was building then, and we didn't do a particularly good

958
00:54:47,815 --> 00:54:50,055
Speaker 4: job around the waterproofing, but there should be some flint

959
00:54:50,095 --> 00:54:52,615
Speaker 4: coat on there. Ideally it should have had a protective

960
00:54:52,695 --> 00:54:57,095
Speaker 4: layer against it, so some polystyrene or anything, right, and

961
00:54:57,215 --> 00:55:00,855
Speaker 4: then backfilled with scoria and I and.

962
00:55:00,895 --> 00:55:04,135
Speaker 18: They also had what do you call it the roofing

963
00:55:04,255 --> 00:55:06,175
Speaker 18: that left over roofing material.

964
00:55:06,695 --> 00:55:11,055
Speaker 4: Really okay, look, you know I've seen it done like

965
00:55:11,135 --> 00:55:11,575
Speaker 4: that before.

966
00:55:12,135 --> 00:55:16,375
Speaker 18: And when we bought the house the add option the

967
00:55:16,455 --> 00:55:18,975
Speaker 18: builder happened to be there who said it was a

968
00:55:19,095 --> 00:55:21,495
Speaker 18: fantastic build. It's really well built.

969
00:55:21,815 --> 00:55:28,695
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So look a belt embraces approach, is you

970
00:55:28,855 --> 00:55:32,615
Speaker 4: want to work from the outside right that you want

971
00:55:32,655 --> 00:55:35,455
Speaker 4: to stop the water getting into the block work, and

972
00:55:35,695 --> 00:55:38,455
Speaker 4: to do that, you'd have a decent waterproof layer, whether

973
00:55:38,535 --> 00:55:40,295
Speaker 4: that's a brush on or a torch on or a

974
00:55:40,415 --> 00:55:43,295
Speaker 4: peel and stick or whatever on the exterior. But you

975
00:55:43,415 --> 00:55:46,175
Speaker 4: also want to give that water somewhere to go. So

976
00:55:46,255 --> 00:55:49,535
Speaker 4: if there's no drainage coil like Baby Black Snake or

977
00:55:49,815 --> 00:55:52,175
Speaker 4: you know, some sort of perforated drain coil at the bottom,

978
00:55:52,255 --> 00:55:55,335
Speaker 4: and it doesn't have somewhere to go, you're essentially you're

979
00:55:55,375 --> 00:55:57,815
Speaker 4: putting in a dam and then you're holding the water

980
00:55:57,935 --> 00:56:00,255
Speaker 4: there and it's looking for somewhere to go, and that's

981
00:56:00,375 --> 00:56:03,975
Speaker 4: that's what's happening. So the best solution would be to

982
00:56:05,215 --> 00:56:08,215
Speaker 4: expose the exterior of the block wall right down to

983
00:56:08,295 --> 00:56:10,615
Speaker 4: the footings, at least sort of halfway down the footing,

984
00:56:11,055 --> 00:56:13,575
Speaker 4: make sure it's thoroughly water proofed, make sure that you

985
00:56:13,695 --> 00:56:18,415
Speaker 4: put drainage coil in there, and then backfill with free

986
00:56:18,535 --> 00:56:21,615
Speaker 4: draining material that allows the water to hit the drainage

987
00:56:21,655 --> 00:56:25,295
Speaker 4: coil and be directed away. That's the best case. That

988
00:56:25,495 --> 00:56:28,695
Speaker 4: might be too much work, in which case you're then

989
00:56:28,775 --> 00:56:31,975
Speaker 4: looking at applying something to the inside of the wall.

990
00:56:32,055 --> 00:56:35,655
Speaker 4: It's going to stop the water coming through rather than

991
00:56:35,735 --> 00:56:38,735
Speaker 4: getting in the challenge with that is a couple of

992
00:56:38,775 --> 00:56:40,695
Speaker 4: the products that I know of. You need to have

993
00:56:40,815 --> 00:56:43,535
Speaker 4: a bare surface, so the fact that it's already been

994
00:56:43,615 --> 00:56:49,455
Speaker 4: painted means that you've got to strip that off, which

995
00:56:49,655 --> 00:56:52,255
Speaker 4: again is a lot of work on the inside of

996
00:56:52,295 --> 00:56:56,815
Speaker 4: the wall. Right, there are some two pot of poxies.

997
00:56:57,695 --> 00:57:02,335
Speaker 4: Someone saysteck through, there's a all next two pot of POxy.

998
00:57:02,535 --> 00:57:06,575
Speaker 4: I know another guy who does, like in go through

999
00:57:06,655 --> 00:57:10,175
Speaker 4: the wall and drills holes let's say every ten centimeters

1000
00:57:10,455 --> 00:57:13,895
Speaker 4: and injects and a POxy into that that saturates through.

1001
00:57:15,055 --> 00:57:22,615
Speaker 4: Myself the other day I put down some equa mix. Yeah,

1002
00:57:22,615 --> 00:57:26,775
Speaker 4: it's by seems like a waterproof and compound that is

1003
00:57:27,375 --> 00:57:31,935
Speaker 4: a crystalline solution that seeks out moisture and seals moisture

1004
00:57:32,975 --> 00:57:35,815
Speaker 4: crystal proof. There we go. But you need a bear

1005
00:57:35,935 --> 00:57:37,935
Speaker 4: surface in order to do that, right.

1006
00:57:38,135 --> 00:57:39,375
Speaker 19: Yeah, But.

1007
00:57:43,575 --> 00:57:46,095
Speaker 4: The hard thing is by having a go at a solution,

1008
00:57:46,535 --> 00:57:48,775
Speaker 4: you might have actually gotten the way of a more

1009
00:57:48,855 --> 00:57:53,895
Speaker 4: permanent solution. Again, you know, you can't really get past

1010
00:57:53,935 --> 00:57:57,175
Speaker 4: the fact that doing it from the outside and doing

1011
00:57:57,215 --> 00:58:00,535
Speaker 4: it properly is going to be the best solution, right.

1012
00:58:00,815 --> 00:58:06,215
Speaker 18: The other I did dig down in it a third

1013
00:58:06,415 --> 00:58:09,015
Speaker 18: a meter or so half meter.

1014
00:58:10,055 --> 00:58:11,575
Speaker 16: It was very dry.

1015
00:58:12,055 --> 00:58:12,255
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1016
00:58:13,335 --> 00:58:16,455
Speaker 4: Water Yeah, the other thing that you mentioned. So you've

1017
00:58:16,495 --> 00:58:19,935
Speaker 4: got a block about basement and block foundation, and then

1018
00:58:20,015 --> 00:58:23,295
Speaker 4: you've got bricks on the first floor above that. Yes,

1019
00:58:23,855 --> 00:58:25,695
Speaker 4: So the way that that will be done is there'll

1020
00:58:25,735 --> 00:58:27,895
Speaker 4: be like a two fifty head of block on top

1021
00:58:27,975 --> 00:58:30,335
Speaker 4: of the two hundred series blocks, and then there'll be

1022
00:58:30,495 --> 00:58:33,775
Speaker 4: the cavity, your timber framing sits inside there, and then

1023
00:58:33,815 --> 00:58:37,055
Speaker 4: there's the bricks. The brick should have a wheephole at

1024
00:58:37,095 --> 00:58:40,495
Speaker 4: the bottom. So yes, that now one of the things

1025
00:58:40,575 --> 00:58:43,975
Speaker 4: like for the building code today, you would actually put

1026
00:58:44,015 --> 00:58:47,455
Speaker 4: in a small forty five degree bevel in there, do

1027
00:58:47,575 --> 00:58:50,015
Speaker 4: that with some water, and then before you lay your

1028
00:58:50,095 --> 00:58:53,255
Speaker 4: courses of blocks, you would water proof that seal, right,

1029
00:58:54,015 --> 00:58:56,375
Speaker 4: which I know we didn't do in the eighties and

1030
00:58:56,495 --> 00:58:58,935
Speaker 4: often didn't even put like a little filet in there

1031
00:58:59,135 --> 00:59:01,415
Speaker 4: to get a forty five degree. So there is a

1032
00:59:01,495 --> 00:59:05,095
Speaker 4: possibility that what's happening is moisture that's hitting the brick work,

1033
00:59:05,535 --> 00:59:07,815
Speaker 4: going through the brick work, hitting the cavity at the

1034
00:59:07,855 --> 00:59:09,735
Speaker 4: back of the brick, which is what it's designed to

1035
00:59:09,815 --> 00:59:13,935
Speaker 4: do drains down lands on that flat surface of your

1036
00:59:14,015 --> 00:59:16,775
Speaker 4: head of block, and then, rather than being directed out

1037
00:59:16,815 --> 00:59:22,015
Speaker 4: through the wheaphole, actually penetrates and soaks into the masonry,

1038
00:59:22,375 --> 00:59:24,895
Speaker 4: and that's what's tracking all the way through the wall

1039
00:59:25,135 --> 00:59:26,975
Speaker 4: and down. It's a long way for it.

1040
00:59:27,215 --> 00:59:29,015
Speaker 18: Building paper does get damp.

1041
00:59:29,615 --> 00:59:35,055
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Look, you could do a clear seala on

1042
00:59:35,175 --> 00:59:38,215
Speaker 4: the outside of the brickwork. I'm always a little bit

1043
00:59:38,335 --> 00:59:40,895
Speaker 4: dubious about it because the way that bricks work is

1044
00:59:41,095 --> 00:59:44,375
Speaker 4: that they will absorb a certain amount of moisture, and

1045
00:59:44,415 --> 00:59:47,095
Speaker 4: if it's excessive moisture, it reaches the back of the brick,

1046
00:59:47,255 --> 00:59:49,815
Speaker 4: drains down through the cavity, and back out through the wheaphole.

1047
00:59:51,415 --> 00:59:54,255
Speaker 4: But given that you've got a problem with it, maybe

1048
00:59:54,415 --> 00:59:57,415
Speaker 4: applying a clear sealer to the exterior of the bricks,

1049
00:59:57,415 --> 00:59:59,295
Speaker 4: and you'd want to know exactly what type of brick,

1050
00:59:59,335 --> 01:00:02,295
Speaker 4: whether it's glazed, and talk to a couple of brick

1051
01:00:02,415 --> 01:00:06,815
Speaker 4: manufacturers around what type of seala they might recommend. Some

1052
01:00:06,975 --> 01:00:11,655
Speaker 4: of them may well be sort of breathable but waterproof,

1053
01:00:11,975 --> 01:00:15,455
Speaker 4: so there's a little bit of complexity there. That might

1054
01:00:15,575 --> 01:00:17,975
Speaker 4: be a good place to start. And if you're saying, hey,

1055
01:00:18,055 --> 01:00:22,695
Speaker 4: look my building paper is damp. Then what's the ceiling

1056
01:00:22,815 --> 01:00:25,615
Speaker 4: around like the windows and so on on that first floor?

1057
01:00:26,655 --> 01:00:28,295
Speaker 4: You think you're getting moisture in through there?

1058
01:00:29,295 --> 01:00:29,895
Speaker 18: I don't think so.

1059
01:00:30,095 --> 01:00:30,135
Speaker 13: No.

1060
01:00:30,375 --> 01:00:35,095
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, look maybe a seiler to the brick

1061
01:00:35,175 --> 01:00:38,175
Speaker 4: work is going to help. But the really hard thing

1062
01:00:38,255 --> 01:00:41,215
Speaker 4: is if you've got a certain amount of moisture it's

1063
01:00:41,255 --> 01:00:43,215
Speaker 4: running down behind the brick and it's sitting on the

1064
01:00:43,375 --> 01:00:47,335
Speaker 4: brick rebate, and the brick rebate hasn't been waterproofed. How

1065
01:00:47,375 --> 01:00:48,375
Speaker 4: are you going to waterproof that?

1066
01:00:48,535 --> 01:00:48,655
Speaker 13: Now?

1067
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Speaker 4: Right? You know you've got a whole course of a

1068
01:00:51,135 --> 01:00:53,255
Speaker 4: whole wall of brick sitting on top of it. You

1069
01:00:53,335 --> 01:00:56,575
Speaker 4: could go sort of break by brick by brick, taking

1070
01:00:56,615 --> 01:00:59,335
Speaker 4: them out, waterproofing it and moving along, but far out.

1071
01:00:59,455 --> 01:01:04,015
Speaker 4: What a job? Yep, there's your options.

1072
01:01:06,575 --> 01:01:11,015
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, Have you got anyone to recommend in the

1073
01:01:11,135 --> 01:01:11,495
Speaker 18: the area?

1074
01:01:11,855 --> 01:01:12,375
Speaker 4: Whereabouts?

1075
01:01:12,535 --> 01:01:12,575
Speaker 5: You?

1076
01:01:14,015 --> 01:01:14,695
Speaker 18: Not far from you?

1077
01:01:14,935 --> 01:01:15,055
Speaker 3: Oh?

1078
01:01:15,135 --> 01:01:20,295
Speaker 4: Okay, sure, leave your number with Locke, my producer, and

1079
01:01:20,935 --> 01:01:24,015
Speaker 4: I'll give it some thought. Stay on the line, David,

1080
01:01:24,615 --> 01:01:27,575
Speaker 4: all the best, no trouble at all, Take care bother

1081
01:01:27,695 --> 01:01:29,535
Speaker 4: then you and newsed talk CP. If you've got a

1082
01:01:29,535 --> 01:01:31,855
Speaker 4: building question, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1083
01:01:31,935 --> 01:01:34,255
Speaker 4: that number to call a couple of people at Lanelin

1084
01:01:34,415 --> 01:01:36,255
Speaker 4: has been another product. I'm pretty sure I've got some

1085
01:01:36,335 --> 01:01:40,095
Speaker 4: of that around as well, natural and great. Oh yes,

1086
01:01:40,175 --> 01:01:42,575
Speaker 4: I got some the other day. You can imagine what

1087
01:01:42,655 --> 01:01:46,135
Speaker 4: my workshop looks like if every time someone mentions a product,

1088
01:01:46,175 --> 01:01:48,815
Speaker 4: I go, I've got a little bit of that floating around. Yes,

1089
01:01:48,895 --> 01:01:54,655
Speaker 4: I do. Probably available on aerosol. Actually, thank you very

1090
01:01:54,735 --> 01:01:57,735
Speaker 4: much for that. The Laneline one quite like that. Aqua

1091
01:01:57,815 --> 01:02:08,535
Speaker 4: kim was the waterproofing suggestion. Well, oh, bry wax, yes,

1092
01:02:08,615 --> 01:02:11,175
Speaker 4: I've had I might have some of that at home too.

1093
01:02:11,295 --> 01:02:13,935
Speaker 4: This is for looking after old tools. Happy to take

1094
01:02:13,975 --> 01:02:16,135
Speaker 4: more suggestions to be fair. But we're going to take

1095
01:02:16,135 --> 01:02:19,495
Speaker 4: a break. We're going to talk to Jeremy and remember

1096
01:02:19,655 --> 01:02:21,895
Speaker 4: in about now is time we've got climb pass. We're

1097
01:02:21,895 --> 01:02:24,575
Speaker 4: taking your calls right up till eight thirty this morning.

1098
01:02:25,415 --> 01:02:28,735
Speaker 4: Have any expert guests or people coming on to the show.

1099
01:02:28,775 --> 01:02:31,095
Speaker 4: So it's all about you guys today. It is twenty

1100
01:02:31,135 --> 01:02:36,015
Speaker 4: seven minutes after seven helping you get those DIY projects

1101
01:02:36,135 --> 01:02:39,735
Speaker 4: done right. The Resident Builder with Peter wolfgaf call oh

1102
01:02:39,775 --> 01:02:43,895
Speaker 4: eight Youth Talks Dead be taking your calls. It's just

1103
01:02:44,015 --> 01:02:46,615
Speaker 4: gone seven thirty and Jeremy, good morning.

1104
01:02:47,255 --> 01:02:52,495
Speaker 15: Morning, Peter morning, Hey, yeah him. Well, so we the

1105
01:02:52,575 --> 01:02:56,215
Speaker 15: other day we had an oven installed. We've got an

1106
01:02:56,215 --> 01:02:59,935
Speaker 15: electrician we've used for years and is excellent and always

1107
01:02:59,975 --> 01:03:04,055
Speaker 15: had great work. And at the same time our heat

1108
01:03:04,255 --> 01:03:09,255
Speaker 15: transfer system wasn't working, and I assumed it was the

1109
01:03:09,335 --> 01:03:11,775
Speaker 15: thermostat or could have been the internal fan in the

1110
01:03:12,095 --> 01:03:16,335
Speaker 15: in the ceiling cavity, and so I showed showed the

1111
01:03:16,415 --> 01:03:18,575
Speaker 15: main guy around. I said, look, this is this is

1112
01:03:18,655 --> 01:03:21,055
Speaker 15: what we've got. And by the way, heat trans who's

1113
01:03:21,135 --> 01:03:23,215
Speaker 15: not going hadn't worked for a couple of years, not urgent.

1114
01:03:23,335 --> 01:03:25,215
Speaker 15: But you know, could you have a lock if you

1115
01:03:25,295 --> 01:03:27,255
Speaker 15: do need to have a lock, here's the manhole cover.

1116
01:03:27,775 --> 01:03:30,495
Speaker 15: You just need to take a little sensor off. You

1117
01:03:30,655 --> 01:03:33,255
Speaker 15: just don't clip it, and then there's a little little

1118
01:03:33,375 --> 01:03:36,535
Speaker 15: screwed screw hole that you just twist and then the

1119
01:03:37,055 --> 01:03:42,735
Speaker 15: manhole swings down and above your head. Oh that's all good, Yeah,

1120
01:03:42,895 --> 01:03:47,575
Speaker 15: pretty ingenious. Well, very clever, yep, yeah, very very clever.

1121
01:03:48,375 --> 01:03:52,175
Speaker 15: And really later now the main electrician he didn't come

1122
01:03:52,215 --> 01:03:54,695
Speaker 15: to do the oven, and saw another guy came, did

1123
01:03:54,735 --> 01:03:57,495
Speaker 15: a great job, had to had to cut a few

1124
01:03:57,535 --> 01:03:59,055
Speaker 15: things out of the bench to make it all fit

1125
01:03:59,175 --> 01:04:01,335
Speaker 15: for the roof is getting home with the kids and stuff.

1126
01:04:01,375 --> 01:04:03,175
Speaker 15: So it did an amazing job on the oven and

1127
01:04:03,255 --> 01:04:07,215
Speaker 15: the bench shark stove. So then he went to look

1128
01:04:07,255 --> 01:04:10,655
Speaker 15: at the heat trendsur and to get into the ceiling

1129
01:04:10,735 --> 01:04:15,415
Speaker 15: cavity because I hadn't shown him. I showed the main guy.

1130
01:04:16,015 --> 01:04:19,495
Speaker 15: So he proceeded to open it from the hinge end,

1131
01:04:20,495 --> 01:04:24,215
Speaker 15: and the metal trim around the manhole cover has been mangled.

1132
01:04:24,455 --> 01:04:28,855
Speaker 15: Heat pulled it off the ceiling, He got the he

1133
01:04:28,975 --> 01:04:31,975
Speaker 15: got the fan out, which so I get home from

1134
01:04:32,015 --> 01:04:33,935
Speaker 15: work Friday night, I was on a big twelve our

1135
01:04:34,015 --> 01:04:41,615
Speaker 15: day get messages happy dinner's crocked, and I just I

1136
01:04:41,975 --> 01:04:45,415
Speaker 15: just couldn't believe it. So we're going to go back

1137
01:04:45,495 --> 01:04:49,455
Speaker 15: to the principal guy. But I'm worried about the metal

1138
01:04:49,575 --> 01:04:53,095
Speaker 15: trim because it's so bent and buckled, and it's a

1139
01:04:53,175 --> 01:04:55,615
Speaker 15: nineteen eighties house. I don't think we'll be able to

1140
01:04:55,655 --> 01:04:56,295
Speaker 15: get another one.

1141
01:04:56,495 --> 01:04:59,295
Speaker 16: And it just looks terrible.

1142
01:04:59,855 --> 01:05:03,455
Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, I would imagine that the boss of

1143
01:05:03,575 --> 01:05:05,735
Speaker 4: the electrical company will look at that and just go

1144
01:05:06,615 --> 01:05:09,095
Speaker 4: because look, I'm really sorry. What can I do to

1145
01:05:09,175 --> 01:05:14,815
Speaker 4: fix it? Because you know. Look, there's almost like this

1146
01:05:15,015 --> 01:05:17,735
Speaker 4: should be like a hippocratic oath right for trades as well.

1147
01:05:18,735 --> 01:05:21,695
Speaker 4: First do no harm, right. So if suddenly you're there

1148
01:05:21,895 --> 01:05:24,055
Speaker 4: and you're going, I'm not really sure how to get

1149
01:05:24,135 --> 01:05:29,615
Speaker 4: into this fixture and I need to use a crowbar

1150
01:05:29,855 --> 01:05:33,255
Speaker 4: to open the excess hatch into the ceiling, then I'm

1151
01:05:33,335 --> 01:05:38,775
Speaker 4: probably not doing it right and you'd stop, right, you

1152
01:05:38,935 --> 01:05:40,815
Speaker 4: just go, hey, look, I wanted to go up there,

1153
01:05:40,855 --> 01:05:44,335
Speaker 4: but I couldn't figure out you know, my apologies. We'll

1154
01:05:44,415 --> 01:05:46,735
Speaker 4: come back and sort out next week and maybe you

1155
01:05:46,775 --> 01:05:48,375
Speaker 4: could leave it open for me or something like that.

1156
01:05:48,535 --> 01:05:51,615
Speaker 15: But to have it go, I still can't work out

1157
01:05:51,695 --> 01:05:53,935
Speaker 15: how he managed to jimmy it from the hinge end

1158
01:05:54,055 --> 01:05:57,455
Speaker 15: and wrap it out. I just know it because the

1159
01:05:57,575 --> 01:05:59,975
Speaker 15: mechanism from the other end is such a piece of cake.

1160
01:06:00,015 --> 01:06:04,015
Speaker 15: And I made a point of showing it to He's

1161
01:06:04,055 --> 01:06:06,175
Speaker 15: a good guy, like, you know, it's not going to

1162
01:06:06,175 --> 01:06:09,495
Speaker 15: be a big drama by just so getting getting a

1163
01:06:09,575 --> 01:06:12,495
Speaker 15: metal trim and just getting it all done. And the

1164
01:06:12,855 --> 01:06:16,055
Speaker 15: amazing thing is that the guy did an incredible job

1165
01:06:16,335 --> 01:06:19,215
Speaker 15: getting the stove top and the other then because he

1166
01:06:19,295 --> 01:06:24,535
Speaker 15: had to change the bench top, like amazing brilliant and

1167
01:06:25,415 --> 01:06:29,455
Speaker 15: then to go and you know, yeah by the hinges,

1168
01:06:29,535 --> 01:06:31,535
Speaker 15: which wasn't even a huge priority.

1169
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Speaker 4: Incredibly frustrating. Look, I think especially the fact that you've

1170
01:06:36,055 --> 01:06:39,375
Speaker 4: got a decent relationship with the sort of the principle

1171
01:06:39,375 --> 01:06:43,095
Speaker 4: of the firm. Let's say send some photographs, go hey, look,

1172
01:06:43,095 --> 01:06:44,735
Speaker 4: we've got a bit of an issue. Can we chat

1173
01:06:44,775 --> 01:06:48,015
Speaker 4: about this, and then then you expect that they will

1174
01:06:48,135 --> 01:06:48,655
Speaker 4: sort it out.

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01:06:49,575 --> 01:06:52,775
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's what we're sort of thinking.

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01:06:54,215 --> 01:06:58,855
Speaker 4: Anyway, you know, And there is I know it's sometimes

1177
01:06:58,895 --> 01:07:01,855
Speaker 4: a bit flippant, but you know, like the only people

1178
01:07:01,895 --> 01:07:04,015
Speaker 4: that don't make mistakes of those people that make nothing

1179
01:07:04,975 --> 01:07:08,575
Speaker 4: is my attitude things. But what was really interesting I

1180
01:07:08,655 --> 01:07:11,855
Speaker 4: was reading a bit of Brands research the other day

1181
01:07:12,535 --> 01:07:15,375
Speaker 4: and it was about it was that satisfaction survey that

1182
01:07:15,535 --> 01:07:18,695
Speaker 4: came out. They publicized it a couple of months ago,

1183
01:07:18,735 --> 01:07:21,055
Speaker 4: and it was talking about how people today or the

1184
01:07:21,135 --> 01:07:24,775
Speaker 4: surveyed group, were less satisfied with let's say their main

1185
01:07:24,855 --> 01:07:27,775
Speaker 4: contractor with their builder, and they were in the previous survey.

1186
01:07:28,175 --> 01:07:29,975
Speaker 4: But then I read through and I had a bit

1187
01:07:30,015 --> 01:07:32,575
Speaker 4: of a chat to the people that authored the survey,

1188
01:07:33,095 --> 01:07:35,415
Speaker 4: and the really interesting thing was, so they do the survey.

1189
01:07:35,535 --> 01:07:37,735
Speaker 4: Then they get people to come in and actually have

1190
01:07:37,975 --> 01:07:39,935
Speaker 4: like a sit down, a bit of a round table

1191
01:07:40,015 --> 01:07:43,215
Speaker 4: thing where they can ask more questions. And what emerged is,

1192
01:07:43,415 --> 01:07:49,015
Speaker 4: let's say somebody came like yours, right, and they've caused

1193
01:07:49,055 --> 01:07:51,495
Speaker 4: some damage. It's not malicious, but they've caused some damage.

1194
01:07:52,055 --> 01:07:55,095
Speaker 4: If they then come back and fix it, and they

1195
01:07:55,175 --> 01:08:00,015
Speaker 4: do so promptly, your satisfaction will be higher. This is

1196
01:08:00,055 --> 01:08:02,615
Speaker 4: what they then if they hadn't have made a problem.

1197
01:08:04,415 --> 01:08:07,335
Speaker 4: So it's that sense that someone comes along does a

1198
01:08:07,375 --> 01:08:10,695
Speaker 4: good job. You feel good about that. Someone comes along

1199
01:08:10,815 --> 01:08:13,255
Speaker 4: makes a mistake, but they fix it, you feel even

1200
01:08:13,495 --> 01:08:17,735
Speaker 4: better about them then if they've just done the job right.

1201
01:08:17,895 --> 01:08:19,815
Speaker 4: Not saying that we want to make mistakes, but it

1202
01:08:19,895 --> 01:08:22,935
Speaker 4: seems like the fixing is the mistake is what really

1203
01:08:23,015 --> 01:08:26,255
Speaker 4: impresses clients. So in this instance, you know, I'm hoping

1204
01:08:26,335 --> 01:08:29,975
Speaker 4: that your guy will go on Monday shivers. I'm really

1205
01:08:30,015 --> 01:08:31,695
Speaker 4: sorry about that. I'll make sure I come around and

1206
01:08:31,735 --> 01:08:33,295
Speaker 4: have a look at it today and will work out

1207
01:08:33,335 --> 01:08:36,655
Speaker 4: a solution, and I'm onto it. Right, You'll feel really

1208
01:08:36,695 --> 01:08:38,975
Speaker 4: great about them, whereas if they duck and dive like

1209
01:08:39,055 --> 01:08:40,695
Speaker 4: this other guy that I'm dealing with, at the moment,

1210
01:08:41,335 --> 01:08:43,735
Speaker 4: you won't feel good. So hey, hope it goes well.

1211
01:08:43,815 --> 01:08:47,015
Speaker 4: Jeremy love the story. Thank you all the bet take

1212
01:08:47,055 --> 01:08:49,775
Speaker 4: care by way, and Peter, good morning to you.

1213
01:08:51,255 --> 01:08:52,135
Speaker 20: Oh, good morning Peter.

1214
01:08:52,215 --> 01:08:52,615
Speaker 4: Greetings.

1215
01:08:52,775 --> 01:08:56,055
Speaker 20: Hey, I've got a problem and I'm just wondering what

1216
01:08:56,255 --> 01:08:58,535
Speaker 20: your thoughts are in it. So we bought a house

1217
01:08:58,615 --> 01:09:01,935
Speaker 20: about four years ago that it had the windows replaced

1218
01:09:01,975 --> 01:09:04,855
Speaker 20: and that's that's frames windows and double glazing.

1219
01:09:05,135 --> 01:09:06,695
Speaker 4: Yes, anyway, we've.

1220
01:09:06,575 --> 01:09:09,935
Speaker 20: Noticed that in the corners because it was a barne finish,

1221
01:09:10,455 --> 01:09:13,615
Speaker 20: that the nail rush marks are coming up through. So

1222
01:09:13,735 --> 01:09:16,935
Speaker 20: we've obviously got moisture. So I've removed part of the

1223
01:09:17,615 --> 01:09:20,015
Speaker 20: window on the inside of the house, and I don't

1224
01:09:20,055 --> 01:09:21,735
Speaker 20: know the name. It's just a piece of wood that

1225
01:09:21,815 --> 01:09:27,135
Speaker 20: goes around the frame. It goes onto the reveal and anyway,

1226
01:09:27,255 --> 01:09:29,935
Speaker 20: so I found in there that the window is resting

1227
01:09:30,055 --> 01:09:33,495
Speaker 20: against the timber which has got a sort of silver

1228
01:09:33,655 --> 01:09:36,495
Speaker 20: paper with maybe tar on it, but it's not lifted

1229
01:09:36,575 --> 01:09:36,855
Speaker 20: off it.

1230
01:09:37,295 --> 01:09:39,575
Speaker 9: And it's also got bats.

1231
01:09:39,335 --> 01:09:43,895
Speaker 20: Pushed hard into the into the frame as a form

1232
01:09:43,975 --> 01:09:46,975
Speaker 20: of insulation. But there's no scribes on the house, so

1233
01:09:47,055 --> 01:09:49,615
Speaker 20: it's pulling moisture at the bottom of the bats are

1234
01:09:49,655 --> 01:09:52,335
Speaker 20: all wet, and when I put a moisture test there,

1235
01:09:52,535 --> 01:09:56,895
Speaker 20: lucky they're three point one reveals they all shown red.

1236
01:09:57,335 --> 01:10:02,415
Speaker 20: They're all wet, and so there's no flashing underneath the window.

1237
01:10:02,575 --> 01:10:06,335
Speaker 20: And it's also not lifted off the wooden frame. So

1238
01:10:06,935 --> 01:10:08,775
Speaker 20: obviously I'm thinking we're going to have to cut all

1239
01:10:08,815 --> 01:10:11,455
Speaker 20: the screws there, let and lift them up. Is there

1240
01:10:11,535 --> 01:10:13,735
Speaker 20: any way to get a flashing underneath that?

1241
01:10:15,735 --> 01:10:18,735
Speaker 4: So this would be on the sill, So you'd like

1242
01:10:18,855 --> 01:10:22,135
Speaker 4: have an under flashing or a sill flashing that goes

1243
01:10:22,255 --> 01:10:24,815
Speaker 4: in before the window gets installed.

1244
01:10:26,015 --> 01:10:28,415
Speaker 20: Yeah, which I believe should have been there anyway.

1245
01:10:28,495 --> 01:10:32,295
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so too, because most can I presume

1246
01:10:32,335 --> 01:10:35,295
Speaker 4: that the replacement joinery that went in is aluminium jowinery.

1247
01:10:36,215 --> 01:10:40,375
Speaker 4: It's okay, look the fact that they've and it's what

1248
01:10:40,495 --> 01:10:41,935
Speaker 4: weather board cladding on the exterior.

1249
01:10:43,095 --> 01:10:46,535
Speaker 20: It's a fibrous sport I think they call it rusticated board.

1250
01:10:46,775 --> 01:10:51,415
Speaker 4: Okay, But where the aluminium extrusion is pushed hard back

1251
01:10:51,495 --> 01:10:56,055
Speaker 4: on the exterior cladding, there should be either worst case

1252
01:10:56,095 --> 01:10:58,255
Speaker 4: scenario as people just fill it up with silicon that

1253
01:10:58,375 --> 01:11:02,855
Speaker 4: little divot that's there, or there should be a little

1254
01:11:02,935 --> 01:11:05,015
Speaker 4: plug that you can put into them, or there should

1255
01:11:05,055 --> 01:11:08,175
Speaker 4: be a scriber. It's made right, so down the side

1256
01:11:08,175 --> 01:11:10,415
Speaker 4: of the windows there should be no gaps, right, it

1257
01:11:10,455 --> 01:11:14,255
Speaker 4: should be seen. That's so obviously, if moisture is being

1258
01:11:14,335 --> 01:11:17,655
Speaker 4: drawn in there, that's an issue. And then lots of

1259
01:11:17,695 --> 01:11:20,895
Speaker 4: elementium joinery, lots of joinery in general, has a provision

1260
01:11:20,935 --> 01:11:23,655
Speaker 4: where moisture that gets around the edge of the sash

1261
01:11:25,575 --> 01:11:27,815
Speaker 4: is able to then drain out. But if it's draining out,

1262
01:11:27,855 --> 01:11:31,055
Speaker 4: you want it to be directed outside, right, not inadvertently

1263
01:11:31,175 --> 01:11:34,695
Speaker 4: being directed back inside to the building envelope, in which

1264
01:11:34,815 --> 01:11:38,415
Speaker 4: case are sill flashing there. But if you can solve

1265
01:11:38,495 --> 01:11:40,215
Speaker 4: the problem of the water getting in the side of

1266
01:11:40,255 --> 01:11:44,055
Speaker 4: the windows around the frame itself, then you may not

1267
01:11:44,215 --> 01:11:47,695
Speaker 4: have to solve the problem at the sill, because solving

1268
01:11:47,735 --> 01:11:49,895
Speaker 4: the problem that the sill would mean taking all of

1269
01:11:49,975 --> 01:11:50,655
Speaker 4: the windows out.

1270
01:11:51,815 --> 01:11:55,535
Speaker 20: I know, well, what I had thought is too unfortunately

1271
01:11:55,575 --> 01:12:00,255
Speaker 20: one part of its three stories high, right, as if

1272
01:12:00,295 --> 01:12:02,975
Speaker 20: we could just lift them up, you know, like it

1273
01:12:03,135 --> 01:12:06,015
Speaker 20: takes off the packers and lift it right up as

1274
01:12:06,095 --> 01:12:09,175
Speaker 20: high as I could go, and if I could slide

1275
01:12:09,255 --> 01:12:13,255
Speaker 20: something underneath it, you know, just and then drop the

1276
01:12:13,295 --> 01:12:15,575
Speaker 20: window back down with a packer, So it's not the

1277
01:12:15,695 --> 01:12:19,895
Speaker 20: actual reveil isn't sitting against the timber, but sitting on

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01:12:19,975 --> 01:12:22,615
Speaker 20: a plastic packer, that sort of thing.

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01:12:24,375 --> 01:12:26,335
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying, and you know, because the

1280
01:12:27,495 --> 01:12:29,455
Speaker 4: attractive part of that is that I don't need to

1281
01:12:29,455 --> 01:12:32,455
Speaker 4: take the window out. But you might find that for

1282
01:12:32,655 --> 01:12:35,015
Speaker 4: all of the time and effort and the fiddly nature

1283
01:12:35,055 --> 01:12:37,295
Speaker 4: of it, because in the end, if these are replacement windows,

1284
01:12:37,415 --> 01:12:41,375
Speaker 4: literally they'll be fixed through the jam liner with some nails.

1285
01:12:41,415 --> 01:12:45,495
Speaker 4: Now maybe you end up damaging well, they're screwed, okay,

1286
01:12:45,935 --> 01:12:48,335
Speaker 4: So find where the screws are back the screw out.

1287
01:12:48,855 --> 01:12:52,455
Speaker 4: It's a two person job, lift the window out, do

1288
01:12:52,655 --> 01:12:55,295
Speaker 4: the sill. You could do some tapes around the perimeter,

1289
01:12:55,415 --> 01:12:57,655
Speaker 4: and all the rest of it. You could reinstall it.

1290
01:12:57,735 --> 01:13:00,455
Speaker 4: You could do an acl around the perimeter of the window,

1291
01:13:00,935 --> 01:13:04,815
Speaker 4: and it probably almost take you as long, I would

1292
01:13:04,855 --> 01:13:07,655
Speaker 4: imagine with most of those windows to just simply take

1293
01:13:07,695 --> 01:13:10,575
Speaker 4: them out and do it properly and put them back

1294
01:13:10,615 --> 01:13:13,775
Speaker 4: in again. Then it would to basically fart around trying

1295
01:13:13,815 --> 01:13:16,975
Speaker 4: to get a flashing into the bottom. That seems like

1296
01:13:17,055 --> 01:13:18,615
Speaker 4: a really unpleasant job, to be.

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01:13:18,655 --> 01:13:22,655
Speaker 20: Fair, because I had even thought of just leaving like

1298
01:13:23,375 --> 01:13:26,455
Speaker 20: leaving the bottom part under the screws, like you've seed

1299
01:13:26,855 --> 01:13:28,655
Speaker 20: any trouble as all the screws are being.

1300
01:13:29,415 --> 01:13:30,175
Speaker 16: Bogged over all.

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01:13:30,335 --> 01:13:34,055
Speaker 20: Yeah yeah, so I'm probably just going to cut them

1302
01:13:34,095 --> 01:13:34,335
Speaker 20: with a.

1303
01:13:36,095 --> 01:13:40,415
Speaker 4: Get in there with a multi tool really hard and

1304
01:13:40,895 --> 01:13:43,135
Speaker 4: trying to slider flashing in there is you really want

1305
01:13:43,135 --> 01:13:44,935
Speaker 4: a bit of an upstand on that flashing as well,

1306
01:13:44,975 --> 01:13:46,495
Speaker 4: and you won't be able to get in there to

1307
01:13:46,615 --> 01:13:48,735
Speaker 4: adjust it or to fix that or to seal it.

1308
01:13:48,855 --> 01:13:52,535
Speaker 4: So you know, if you're there for a while and

1309
01:13:52,695 --> 01:13:55,535
Speaker 4: you wonder it right, I'd suggest you actually pulled the

1310
01:13:55,615 --> 01:13:57,815
Speaker 4: windows out they went in so they can come out,

1311
01:13:57,935 --> 01:13:58,455
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1312
01:13:58,735 --> 01:14:01,135
Speaker 20: You know they've come out all right. It's just a

1313
01:14:01,135 --> 01:14:03,655
Speaker 20: little bit annoying that there's people there they putting windows

1314
01:14:03,735 --> 01:14:06,855
Speaker 20: in like that, you know, because it's wet. She carried

1315
01:14:06,895 --> 01:14:08,215
Speaker 20: on the renovation because then.

1316
01:14:08,175 --> 01:14:08,895
Speaker 17: He did jay Bar.

1317
01:14:09,255 --> 01:14:10,615
Speaker 9: Yeah. Sure, and we've got the.

1318
01:14:10,695 --> 01:14:13,175
Speaker 20: Rest of it done. And now when I looked at

1319
01:14:13,215 --> 01:14:17,055
Speaker 20: how our the window guys have put it in, and

1320
01:14:17,215 --> 01:14:18,935
Speaker 20: that's not going to cause the problem at all. But

1321
01:14:19,055 --> 01:14:21,695
Speaker 20: I have put the other windows and they've caused the problem.

1322
01:14:21,935 --> 01:14:24,815
Speaker 20: And now we've got wet cells and windows that are

1323
01:14:24,815 --> 01:14:25,895
Speaker 20: probably six years old.

1324
01:14:26,095 --> 01:14:30,415
Speaker 4: Yeah, frustrating a and people should know better now, Like

1325
01:14:30,655 --> 01:14:33,335
Speaker 4: you know, we've been talking about windows and flashing details

1326
01:14:33,615 --> 01:14:36,495
Speaker 4: and understanding moisture and gress and all of these sorts

1327
01:14:36,495 --> 01:14:38,975
Speaker 4: of things for long enough now that really there's no

1328
01:14:39,095 --> 01:14:41,575
Speaker 4: excuse for people not knowing how to do it correctly,

1329
01:14:41,855 --> 01:14:46,175
Speaker 4: which is a little comfort to you. But I'd suggest

1330
01:14:46,495 --> 01:14:48,535
Speaker 4: a good solution pull those outside.

1331
01:14:48,735 --> 01:14:52,255
Speaker 20: And yeah, that's where I was thinking, sort of like

1332
01:14:52,895 --> 01:14:54,855
Speaker 20: I've spoke to a builder and he's saying, all, we

1333
01:14:54,935 --> 01:14:58,095
Speaker 20: can work around it, and I'm like, I'm probably like you.

1334
01:14:58,215 --> 01:15:00,655
Speaker 4: I'm like, there will always be a compromise, and I

1335
01:15:00,775 --> 01:15:03,095
Speaker 4: get the work around, I get the temptation to do

1336
01:15:03,215 --> 01:15:06,735
Speaker 4: it that way, but it'll there'll always be a promise,

1337
01:15:06,775 --> 01:15:08,335
Speaker 4: and you just don't know that you're ever going to

1338
01:15:08,415 --> 01:15:10,975
Speaker 4: get a complete job, whereas if you take the window out,

1339
01:15:11,135 --> 01:15:13,295
Speaker 4: you can get a complete job. And I'd be inclined

1340
01:15:13,335 --> 01:15:15,495
Speaker 4: to head that way. Got to move on, lovely to

1341
01:15:15,535 --> 01:15:17,415
Speaker 4: talk to you, Peter and all the very best for that.

1342
01:15:18,375 --> 01:15:22,335
Speaker 4: But like I say, you know, the in sort of

1343
01:15:22,495 --> 01:15:24,895
Speaker 4: all of the literature, whether it's the brand stuff or

1344
01:15:25,135 --> 01:15:28,575
Speaker 4: online magazines and healthy home, all of this stuff we

1345
01:15:28,735 --> 01:15:31,375
Speaker 4: know enough about how to install windows correctly that there

1346
01:15:31,415 --> 01:15:35,575
Speaker 4: should be really no excuse for basically stuffing it up anymore.

1347
01:15:35,655 --> 01:15:38,455
Speaker 4: People just should know better. It is seven forty three

1348
01:15:38,535 --> 01:15:42,775
Speaker 4: here at Newstalks b Measure. God was but maybe call

1349
01:15:42,855 --> 01:15:46,495
Speaker 4: Pete first. Pet you worfcare the resident builder. News Talk said, be.

1350
01:15:47,855 --> 01:15:49,495
Speaker 4: Your news talk said be if you've got a question,

1351
01:15:49,695 --> 01:15:51,615
Speaker 4: hopefully I've got an answer. Oh eight hundred and eighty

1352
01:15:51,695 --> 01:15:54,375
Speaker 4: ten eighty is that number to call? And again thanks

1353
01:15:55,015 --> 01:15:58,655
Speaker 4: for all your suggestions around looking after old tools and

1354
01:15:59,335 --> 01:16:02,655
Speaker 4: sort of preserving metal in such a way that it's useful.

1355
01:16:03,215 --> 01:16:05,775
Speaker 4: Like you know, I don't want something that's gooey and

1356
01:16:05,855 --> 01:16:08,295
Speaker 4: sticky that'll keep the rust down. But I can't. You

1357
01:16:08,415 --> 01:16:11,055
Speaker 4: have to be able to use it. Someone says, most

1358
01:16:11,055 --> 01:16:13,175
Speaker 4: of the show has been about the old vice. Not quite,

1359
01:16:14,375 --> 01:16:16,415
Speaker 4: but anyway heavily at the picture online. It's it's a

1360
01:16:16,655 --> 01:16:22,375
Speaker 4: it's a lovely we old thing. Nimsu good morning, good morning.

1361
01:16:24,975 --> 01:16:30,415
Speaker 9: Yesterday I was helping my friend on the gutter of his.

1362
01:16:32,975 --> 01:16:34,335
Speaker 14: Eighty build.

1363
01:16:35,495 --> 01:16:42,455
Speaker 9: Past the hole and uh in from the gutter. It's internals,

1364
01:16:42,615 --> 01:16:48,015
Speaker 9: internal gutter and it wrapped in the in the metal

1365
01:16:48,495 --> 01:16:52,535
Speaker 9: metal seat. It's not beautiful from outside, but but the

1366
01:16:52,615 --> 01:16:57,055
Speaker 9: golf got a problem and it was leaking and we

1367
01:16:57,175 --> 01:17:02,095
Speaker 9: were had look at it. It's it's not the it's

1368
01:17:02,135 --> 01:17:05,855
Speaker 9: not the usual one that we we we buy from bundings.

1369
01:17:08,055 --> 01:17:11,495
Speaker 9: Were even went to Medicend and bundions and confined the

1370
01:17:11,615 --> 01:17:16,015
Speaker 9: matching ones those gutter.

1371
01:17:19,695 --> 01:17:22,735
Speaker 4: So just to be clear, So what we're talking about

1372
01:17:22,855 --> 01:17:26,495
Speaker 4: is the internal spouting in a concealed spouting system, so

1373
01:17:26,575 --> 01:17:30,455
Speaker 4: it's out on the edge of the building, correct, Yeah, okay, Yeah.

1374
01:17:31,455 --> 01:17:34,935
Speaker 4: The challenge with some of those is that whoever did

1375
01:17:35,055 --> 01:17:38,775
Speaker 4: that system right, whichever one it is, typically they made

1376
01:17:38,935 --> 01:17:44,015
Speaker 4: that profile of spouting that internal gutter little channel themselves,

1377
01:17:44,095 --> 01:17:47,695
Speaker 4: so it's not a stock item anywhere. So you'd need

1378
01:17:47,735 --> 01:17:52,095
Speaker 4: to try and find out who what brand of concealed

1379
01:17:52,655 --> 01:17:56,535
Speaker 4: spouting external facure it is, and then try and go

1380
01:17:56,735 --> 01:17:59,975
Speaker 4: back to that manufacturer if they still exist, and have

1381
01:18:00,215 --> 01:18:04,815
Speaker 4: them make new pieces. Look, we've talked about this sort

1382
01:18:04,855 --> 01:18:08,415
Speaker 4: of thing quite a bit on the show because kind

1383
01:18:08,455 --> 01:18:10,575
Speaker 4: of the one thing that we know is that they

1384
01:18:10,655 --> 01:18:14,095
Speaker 4: all cause problems eventually, and your friend has just discovered that.

1385
01:18:14,855 --> 01:18:18,655
Speaker 4: I would suggest, if it's possible, the better long term

1386
01:18:18,735 --> 01:18:22,735
Speaker 4: solution is to actually have that system replaced with a

1387
01:18:23,215 --> 01:18:28,655
Speaker 4: new exterior facia with an exterior spouting. And there's a

1388
01:18:28,695 --> 01:18:33,215
Speaker 4: couple of companies around who do that quite readily and regularly.

1389
01:18:33,295 --> 01:18:36,655
Speaker 4: They've got a system for it. So my advice would

1390
01:18:36,655 --> 01:18:38,575
Speaker 4: be you could you can try and repair it, which

1391
01:18:38,655 --> 01:18:41,055
Speaker 4: is difficult because they're difficult to get into and to

1392
01:18:41,175 --> 01:18:48,015
Speaker 4: seal correctly, or just replace it. Yeah, that's that's one

1393
01:18:48,055 --> 01:18:52,815
Speaker 4: of the problems with them. So look, if you jot

1394
01:18:52,935 --> 01:19:00,055
Speaker 4: down continuous group or custom facier and spouting, both of

1395
01:19:00,135 --> 01:19:04,015
Speaker 4: those groups, I know that they have systems. So continuous

1396
01:19:04,015 --> 01:19:09,215
Speaker 4: group or custom flashings and spouting, both of those teams

1397
01:19:09,295 --> 01:19:11,015
Speaker 4: will be able to help you out. Oh wait one

1398
01:19:11,055 --> 01:19:14,255
Speaker 4: hundred good luck with that. We need to take another break.

1399
01:19:14,255 --> 01:19:16,975
Speaker 4: It is ten minutes away from eight o'clock. Back after

1400
01:19:17,055 --> 01:19:18,455
Speaker 4: the break, doing.

1401
01:19:18,335 --> 01:19:21,055
Speaker 1: On the house, storting the garden, asked Pete for a hand.

1402
01:19:21,175 --> 01:19:24,615
Speaker 1: It's a resident builder with Peter Wolfcab. Call eight hundred

1403
01:19:24,855 --> 01:19:27,455
Speaker 1: eighty eight US talks they'd be you, and these.

1404
01:19:27,375 --> 01:19:29,815
Speaker 4: Talks they'd be Remember rid climb passed at eight thirty.

1405
01:19:29,895 --> 01:19:31,815
Speaker 4: But right now, John, good morning to you.

1406
01:19:33,775 --> 01:19:35,055
Speaker 19: Good morning, good John.

1407
01:19:37,495 --> 01:19:38,775
Speaker 14: I've been listening to your program.

1408
01:19:38,855 --> 01:19:40,895
Speaker 16: I've listened to it every Sunday.

1409
01:19:40,575 --> 01:19:43,815
Speaker 14: Morning and rather than do it, thank you continually hear

1410
01:19:44,215 --> 01:19:48,095
Speaker 14: of this problem that people have got us actually trying

1411
01:19:48,175 --> 01:19:52,975
Speaker 14: to see all block work from moisture. Yes, and I've

1412
01:19:53,055 --> 01:19:54,735
Speaker 14: been involved in the motor trade.

1413
01:19:54,495 --> 01:19:57,095
Speaker 19: All my life and it's a bit left field.

1414
01:19:57,135 --> 01:19:57,495
Speaker 15: But there's a.

1415
01:19:57,535 --> 01:20:01,775
Speaker 14: Product that we used called flintcoat, which has actually come

1416
01:20:01,815 --> 01:20:04,655
Speaker 14: from a leader can and you screw it up on

1417
01:20:04,775 --> 01:20:09,495
Speaker 14: it like a pistol grind and you spread onto a dry,

1418
01:20:09,695 --> 01:20:12,975
Speaker 14: clean surface. Right, and I want to see all vehicles

1419
01:20:13,055 --> 01:20:14,975
Speaker 14: and that sort of thing, and it's very good for

1420
01:20:15,135 --> 01:20:16,975
Speaker 14: abrasion and that sort of thing. And I reckon that

1421
01:20:17,015 --> 01:20:18,575
Speaker 14: would be a way to solve the problem.

1422
01:20:20,495 --> 01:20:24,535
Speaker 4: The challenge was sometimes with applying product to the inside.

1423
01:20:24,735 --> 01:20:28,535
Speaker 4: Is that most of these products you put on the outside. Yeah,

1424
01:20:28,975 --> 01:20:32,655
Speaker 4: and look, flint coat is what you know we do

1425
01:20:33,095 --> 01:20:34,935
Speaker 4: on block work for a long time. You can still

1426
01:20:35,015 --> 01:20:37,495
Speaker 4: use it today and it's just a brush on application.

1427
01:20:37,775 --> 01:20:39,575
Speaker 4: Or yes, if you've got the right gear, you could

1428
01:20:39,615 --> 01:20:41,655
Speaker 4: spray it on. That would actually be quite good because

1429
01:20:41,695 --> 01:20:44,855
Speaker 4: I think you'd get a higher build and a couple

1430
01:20:44,895 --> 01:20:45,455
Speaker 4: of people.

1431
01:20:45,335 --> 01:20:47,135
Speaker 14: Here, Well, you just let it dry and then put

1432
01:20:47,135 --> 01:20:47,815
Speaker 14: another coat on.

1433
01:20:48,055 --> 01:20:52,735
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. The really hard thing sometimes is those

1434
01:20:52,775 --> 01:20:56,055
Speaker 4: sorts of jobs, Like it's never a terribly pleasant job. Right,

1435
01:20:56,135 --> 01:21:00,375
Speaker 4: You're in between an exposed clay bank and the block

1436
01:21:00,455 --> 01:21:02,855
Speaker 4: wall in front of you, and you're trying to get

1437
01:21:02,935 --> 01:21:05,935
Speaker 4: in there, and you covered in this stuff, and nobody

1438
01:21:06,095 --> 01:21:09,375
Speaker 4: likes doing it. But if you if you've got the

1439
01:21:09,455 --> 01:21:12,335
Speaker 4: right attitude, like this is this has got to last

1440
01:21:12,335 --> 01:21:14,855
Speaker 4: for fifty years, right, So if I miss a spot,

1441
01:21:15,735 --> 01:21:18,375
Speaker 4: it's going to cause a problem because the water pressure

1442
01:21:18,415 --> 01:21:21,775
Speaker 4: will build up and it'll force through there. So it's

1443
01:21:21,935 --> 01:21:25,775
Speaker 4: it's being really really diligent about applying those that you know,

1444
01:21:25,935 --> 01:21:29,015
Speaker 4: getting in there and getting every single corner. I often

1445
01:21:29,575 --> 01:21:32,015
Speaker 4: would water down my first coat just a little bit,

1446
01:21:32,055 --> 01:21:35,495
Speaker 4: as per the recommendation, and then in some cases I'd

1447
01:21:35,575 --> 01:21:38,655
Speaker 4: make up a separate little slurry with some sand in it,

1448
01:21:39,255 --> 01:21:41,415
Speaker 4: just for those areas where maybe there's a bit of

1449
01:21:41,495 --> 01:21:44,495
Speaker 4: the pointing that hasn't been completely finished, so you're effectively

1450
01:21:44,615 --> 01:21:46,575
Speaker 4: like plastering the back of the wall as well.

1451
01:21:47,015 --> 01:21:51,775
Speaker 14: Look, actually the secret is with this sort of product

1452
01:21:51,935 --> 01:21:53,695
Speaker 14: is not to actually fin it.

1453
01:21:54,055 --> 01:22:00,215
Speaker 4: But right, ah, okay, yes, that's interesting. Interesting I do

1454
01:22:00,375 --> 01:22:02,895
Speaker 4: I've often done the same thing with tubes of seilant

1455
01:22:03,975 --> 01:22:07,375
Speaker 4: if I you know, because if it's particularly cold, it's

1456
01:22:07,415 --> 01:22:10,015
Speaker 4: really hard to use sealants sometimes, so I've put them

1457
01:22:10,055 --> 01:22:13,255
Speaker 4: in warm water in the sink before i use it.

1458
01:22:13,455 --> 01:22:16,335
Speaker 4: So hey, look, I love the ideas. I really do.

1459
01:22:16,535 --> 01:22:22,015
Speaker 4: John and someone else's text through similar to John's do

1460
01:22:22,135 --> 01:22:24,935
Speaker 4: it right the first time. The best way did not

1461
01:22:25,055 --> 01:22:26,935
Speaker 4: have problems later on is to do it right the

1462
01:22:27,015 --> 01:22:32,495
Speaker 4: first time, and that might take time, but doing it

1463
01:22:32,615 --> 01:22:35,095
Speaker 4: right the first time is always the best way. We're

1464
01:22:35,095 --> 01:22:37,055
Speaker 4: going to talk to Stephen after the new Sport and

1465
01:22:37,375 --> 01:22:40,495
Speaker 4: whether we will take your calls right through to late

1466
01:22:40,615 --> 01:22:42,735
Speaker 4: thirty of a building Nature and then we're into the

1467
01:22:42,775 --> 01:22:45,415
Speaker 4: garden with red climb passed from eight point thirty this morning,

1468
01:22:45,495 --> 01:22:47,055
Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you'd like

1469
01:22:47,135 --> 01:22:48,495
Speaker 4: to call us now, we'll get things set up. We're

1470
01:22:48,535 --> 01:22:52,535
Speaker 4: back after the News, Sport and Weather at eight o'clock.

1471
01:22:53,255 --> 01:22:56,135
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans, or wondering

1472
01:22:56,215 --> 01:22:58,295
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter

1473
01:22:58,375 --> 01:23:02,615
Speaker 1: wolf Camp a call on eighty the resident builder on

1474
01:23:02,735 --> 01:23:04,815
Speaker 1: Youth Dogs' b Welcome.

1475
01:23:04,535 --> 01:23:06,615
Speaker 4: Back to the show. Pete wolf Camp resident build it

1476
01:23:06,695 --> 01:23:09,135
Speaker 4: with you right through nine. But of course we change

1477
01:23:09,175 --> 01:23:12,855
Speaker 4: gear at eight thirty, climb pasted in at eight thirty.

1478
01:23:12,895 --> 01:23:17,455
Speaker 4: If you've got any gardening and entomological questions then you

1479
01:23:17,495 --> 01:23:19,615
Speaker 4: can direct those to Rudd from eight to thirty. But

1480
01:23:19,775 --> 01:23:22,335
Speaker 4: right now we're taking your calls. Eight hundred and eighty

1481
01:23:22,575 --> 01:23:26,255
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number. Hello Stephen, Yeah.

1482
01:23:26,135 --> 01:23:26,695
Speaker 19: Hi Pete.

1483
01:23:28,055 --> 01:23:28,655
Speaker 3: Just a question.

1484
01:23:29,095 --> 01:23:33,175
Speaker 19: Yeah, I've had a window replaced around twenty years ago,

1485
01:23:33,335 --> 01:23:38,095
Speaker 19: the aluminium window. It was originally an arched wooden one

1486
01:23:38,175 --> 01:23:42,575
Speaker 19: that was replaced with a square elemion one. Yes, the

1487
01:23:42,855 --> 01:23:47,775
Speaker 19: guy that put it in, he used a skill sew

1488
01:23:47,855 --> 01:23:50,735
Speaker 19: to rip a groove to put a top flashing in

1489
01:23:52,495 --> 01:23:59,295
Speaker 19: and he's sealed that get between the flashing and the

1490
01:23:59,415 --> 01:24:05,335
Speaker 19: top or or bottom of the weather board above it. Yes,

1491
01:24:06,775 --> 01:24:09,415
Speaker 19: that's not a good idea because that traps any water

1492
01:24:09,535 --> 01:24:11,415
Speaker 19: that might get them.

1493
01:24:11,895 --> 01:24:12,455
Speaker 13: Is that right?

1494
01:24:12,535 --> 01:24:13,335
Speaker 19: Should that be done?

1495
01:24:14,255 --> 01:24:16,415
Speaker 4: It depends a little bit on whether or not there

1496
01:24:16,535 --> 01:24:19,575
Speaker 4: is a cavity behind the weather boards, right, So if

1497
01:24:19,655 --> 01:24:22,495
Speaker 4: the weather board is designed to drain it's got a

1498
01:24:22,575 --> 01:24:24,975
Speaker 4: cavity behind it, like we've been doing for probably the

1499
01:24:25,055 --> 01:24:27,855
Speaker 4: last twenty years, then yes, you don't want to seal

1500
01:24:27,935 --> 01:24:31,535
Speaker 4: that exit because you actually want to allow moisture to

1501
01:24:31,575 --> 01:24:35,535
Speaker 4: get out. But if, for example, it's direct fixed weather

1502
01:24:35,615 --> 01:24:39,135
Speaker 4: boards and you want to stop weather being driven in

1503
01:24:39,415 --> 01:24:43,375
Speaker 4: there and then basically into the building envelope, then putting

1504
01:24:43,415 --> 01:24:46,095
Speaker 4: a bead of sealant there is not a bad idea.

1505
01:24:47,095 --> 01:24:50,055
Speaker 19: Not a bad idea. Okay, Well, so that the house

1506
01:24:50,135 --> 01:24:52,095
Speaker 19: was built on the mid eighties.

1507
01:24:52,335 --> 01:24:56,615
Speaker 4: Yeah, chances are it's direct fixed weather boards. You've you know,

1508
01:24:57,695 --> 01:25:02,015
Speaker 4: it's all it's really tricky adding flashings, you know, retrospectively.

1509
01:25:02,175 --> 01:25:05,015
Speaker 4: So in this instance, you've got some existing weather boards,

1510
01:25:05,015 --> 01:25:09,695
Speaker 4: you're trying to get a flashing up there. I tend

1511
01:25:09,815 --> 01:25:12,255
Speaker 4: to prefer just putting one over the face and up

1512
01:25:12,375 --> 01:25:14,775
Speaker 4: underneath the next board rather than trying to cut through,

1513
01:25:14,895 --> 01:25:19,375
Speaker 4: depending on what type of flashing you're installing. Have you

1514
01:25:19,535 --> 01:25:20,775
Speaker 4: had any issues with leaking?

1515
01:25:22,055 --> 01:25:27,615
Speaker 19: Yeah, of the normalies we've had lately, I've noticed that

1516
01:25:27,855 --> 01:25:31,975
Speaker 19: it's been a leak path, but I've actually yesterday found

1517
01:25:32,015 --> 01:25:35,655
Speaker 19: out that the weather boards above it are rotting.

1518
01:25:35,895 --> 01:25:43,895
Speaker 4: So right, I feel your pain, exc what you mean? Yeah,

1519
01:25:44,495 --> 01:25:48,935
Speaker 4: so no funny. We got on to talking about seilans

1520
01:25:49,015 --> 01:25:51,975
Speaker 4: last week as well, and you know, I like my

1521
01:25:52,295 --> 01:25:55,735
Speaker 4: attitude has always been is it's that they're a useful

1522
01:25:55,935 --> 01:26:00,735
Speaker 4: addition to overall weather proofing a building, but I don't

1523
01:26:01,055 --> 01:26:04,335
Speaker 4: it's very rare that they are the sole line of defense.

1524
01:26:04,495 --> 01:26:04,655
Speaker 3: Right.

1525
01:26:07,655 --> 01:26:10,415
Speaker 19: They shrink, and this is a north facing wall, so

1526
01:26:11,015 --> 01:26:14,295
Speaker 19: it just gets hammered by the sun or from along

1527
01:26:14,375 --> 01:26:18,855
Speaker 19: and then seilance. You might get ten years out of

1528
01:26:18,895 --> 01:26:20,335
Speaker 19: them before they start to break down.

1529
01:26:20,375 --> 01:26:22,415
Speaker 4: I would take interesting. I went to look at a

1530
01:26:22,495 --> 01:26:26,575
Speaker 4: job on Friday where someone I know looks after a building.

1531
01:26:26,655 --> 01:26:29,295
Speaker 4: They said, look, we've done this, we've done that, and

1532
01:26:29,335 --> 01:26:31,415
Speaker 4: we're still getting leaks inside the building. And I went

1533
01:26:31,575 --> 01:26:34,895
Speaker 4: and had a look, and sure enough there was a

1534
01:26:35,135 --> 01:26:38,615
Speaker 4: flashing on a sill. So it was a slightly unusual situation.

1535
01:26:39,215 --> 01:26:42,855
Speaker 4: But the celant that they had used had obviously broken down,

1536
01:26:42,935 --> 01:26:45,455
Speaker 4: and while they'd replaced lots of other bits and pieces

1537
01:26:45,535 --> 01:26:47,615
Speaker 4: looking for the leak, no one had looked at that detail.

1538
01:26:47,975 --> 01:26:51,295
Speaker 4: And I went, well, there's your problem right. The way

1539
01:26:51,295 --> 01:26:54,055
Speaker 4: in which the flashing is connected to the joinery, it

1540
01:26:54,375 --> 01:26:57,295
Speaker 4: means that it's prone to movement. That movement is only

1541
01:26:57,415 --> 01:27:00,375
Speaker 4: then protected by the sealant, in which case you're one

1542
01:27:00,455 --> 01:27:02,975
Speaker 4: hundred percent reliant on the ceilant, and the seilant's not

1543
01:27:03,175 --> 01:27:07,855
Speaker 4: going to last forever. So there's your problem. Yeah, you know,

1544
01:27:07,975 --> 01:27:10,815
Speaker 4: ceilants really should be seen as a maintainable item. They're

1545
01:27:10,855 --> 01:27:14,735
Speaker 4: not put it in and forget about it. Yeah, nice

1546
01:27:14,735 --> 01:27:16,215
Speaker 4: to talk to you all the very best on that.

1547
01:27:16,495 --> 01:27:18,335
Speaker 4: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number to call.

1548
01:27:18,415 --> 01:27:22,615
Speaker 3: Hello Eric, Hello, Yeah.

1549
01:27:22,655 --> 01:27:25,575
Speaker 16: Today, I have an old home built in the city

1550
01:27:26,615 --> 01:27:30,255
Speaker 16: where you're a one way journer family. So we're cash

1551
01:27:30,295 --> 01:27:34,495
Speaker 16: flow can train yep. We'd like to do the exterior

1552
01:27:34,615 --> 01:27:38,855
Speaker 16: of the house and we're thinking of painting. So it's

1553
01:27:38,935 --> 01:27:43,695
Speaker 16: two story. First story is concrete block yep. The second

1554
01:27:43,775 --> 01:27:47,135
Speaker 16: story is the mixture of twos. I don't know exactly

1555
01:27:47,215 --> 01:27:50,015
Speaker 16: what they are, brough describe them. So like a four

1556
01:27:50,215 --> 01:27:52,015
Speaker 16: or five mili pick.

1557
01:27:53,055 --> 01:27:55,455
Speaker 4: Concrete for five a cement sheet.

1558
01:27:55,535 --> 01:27:56,575
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.

1559
01:27:56,815 --> 01:28:02,535
Speaker 16: With the it's almost like an asphalt skinish on the outside,

1560
01:28:02,815 --> 01:28:06,175
Speaker 16: really old stuff and the other stuff is the same,

1561
01:28:06,415 --> 01:28:10,015
Speaker 16: only it's smooth and we think it's best right. We

1562
01:28:10,095 --> 01:28:14,375
Speaker 16: don't want to disturb anything because's nothing riable, and we'd

1563
01:28:14,495 --> 01:28:16,935
Speaker 16: like to paint. We think that probably are keep this

1564
01:28:17,015 --> 01:28:20,735
Speaker 16: story out. We want to stay there for ten years

1565
01:28:20,815 --> 01:28:23,015
Speaker 16: and then we'll be a retirement agent. It's time to

1566
01:28:23,135 --> 01:28:26,255
Speaker 16: downside put somebody else to figure out the house. Is

1567
01:28:26,295 --> 01:28:29,535
Speaker 16: there any special requirements we should be putting on a

1568
01:28:29,655 --> 01:28:36,455
Speaker 16: contracted paint, like probably should use a primer, And I'm

1569
01:28:36,495 --> 01:28:38,055
Speaker 16: out of my depth here, so I just want to

1570
01:28:38,095 --> 01:28:39,455
Speaker 16: know the scope of work.

1571
01:28:39,815 --> 01:28:41,775
Speaker 4: Are you going to do the painting or you're going

1572
01:28:41,895 --> 01:28:44,575
Speaker 4: to get a painter?

1573
01:28:46,495 --> 01:28:49,175
Speaker 16: Fifty nine scared hires now fair enough?

1574
01:28:49,495 --> 01:28:51,895
Speaker 4: Fair enough, I'll tell you what.

1575
01:28:53,535 --> 01:28:54,015
Speaker 7: We use.

1576
01:28:54,735 --> 01:29:01,295
Speaker 4: Often on the show, we'll have razine experts, so they'll

1577
01:29:01,335 --> 01:29:04,815
Speaker 4: come on. One of the things that the razine sort

1578
01:29:04,855 --> 01:29:07,975
Speaker 4: of rips might do is actually come out assess the

1579
01:29:08,095 --> 01:29:10,935
Speaker 4: job and actually help you to create a scope of

1580
01:29:11,015 --> 01:29:13,575
Speaker 4: works for it. And I suspect it's going to be

1581
01:29:13,695 --> 01:29:16,895
Speaker 4: something along the lines of a chemical treatment to wash

1582
01:29:17,015 --> 01:29:20,095
Speaker 4: the exterior surface, get rid of any moss and mold

1583
01:29:20,175 --> 01:29:23,135
Speaker 4: and mildew that's on there, because if you paint over that,

1584
01:29:23,335 --> 01:29:26,575
Speaker 4: you just you're trapping that and it'll eventually cause the

1585
01:29:26,615 --> 01:29:31,295
Speaker 4: paint finished to deteriorate. So, but then, because you've got

1586
01:29:31,655 --> 01:29:33,815
Speaker 4: some concern around a SPECIs, you don't want to be

1587
01:29:33,895 --> 01:29:36,135
Speaker 4: too aggressive with that. So it's going to be a

1588
01:29:36,215 --> 01:29:40,815
Speaker 4: chemical wash and a rinse. Then probably if the paint

1589
01:29:40,935 --> 01:29:44,175
Speaker 4: is old, it'll be a primer, so an adhesion primer,

1590
01:29:44,215 --> 01:29:46,735
Speaker 4: which might just be quick dryer, it might be sure

1591
01:29:46,855 --> 01:29:50,095
Speaker 4: seals something like that, and then two top coats and

1592
01:29:50,215 --> 01:29:52,535
Speaker 4: then it could be lumberside, it could be sonic. So

1593
01:29:53,015 --> 01:29:55,695
Speaker 4: but you know, if you're unsure and you're unsure of

1594
01:29:55,935 --> 01:30:00,135
Speaker 4: what direction to give to your painting contractor, it might

1595
01:30:00,215 --> 01:30:02,975
Speaker 4: be worth phoning your local color shop and just going

1596
01:30:03,095 --> 01:30:04,495
Speaker 4: do you have a rep who can come out and

1597
01:30:04,575 --> 01:30:07,815
Speaker 4: help me with that specification? And they may also be

1598
01:30:07,895 --> 01:30:10,695
Speaker 4: able to advise some razine Eco decorators who could do

1599
01:30:10,815 --> 01:30:15,495
Speaker 4: the work. So getting sort of professional advice. I know

1600
01:30:15,615 --> 01:30:18,095
Speaker 4: that they work for a zine, but it's the professionalism

1601
01:30:18,215 --> 01:30:21,975
Speaker 4: that you want, right, Try that through your local color shop.

1602
01:30:23,535 --> 01:30:26,535
Speaker 16: Yeah, because all we're looking for is I just want

1603
01:30:26,575 --> 01:30:29,215
Speaker 16: to stay in the place until we down those we

1604
01:30:29,295 --> 01:30:31,495
Speaker 16: want to get ten years out of place roofs.

1605
01:30:32,855 --> 01:30:33,015
Speaker 14: Yes.

1606
01:30:35,295 --> 01:30:37,815
Speaker 4: And the other thing that's really important to mention is

1607
01:30:37,895 --> 01:30:40,295
Speaker 4: that you know, if if you go invest the money

1608
01:30:40,335 --> 01:30:43,135
Speaker 4: in a good paint job and it's done well, then

1609
01:30:43,535 --> 01:30:45,615
Speaker 4: continue to put aside a little bit of money to

1610
01:30:45,815 --> 01:30:48,655
Speaker 4: clean it every year as well, and that makes a

1611
01:30:48,855 --> 01:30:51,615
Speaker 4: massive difference to how much time you'll get out of

1612
01:30:52,215 --> 01:30:58,135
Speaker 4: a coating. Basically, regular washing makes a huge amount of difference.

1613
01:31:00,215 --> 01:31:01,895
Speaker 4: All right, all the best and enjoy you want you

1614
01:31:02,975 --> 01:31:06,655
Speaker 4: benefit my pleasure. All the very best. You all take care.

1615
01:31:07,375 --> 01:31:09,335
Speaker 4: We've got time for a couple more calls if you've

1616
01:31:09,375 --> 01:31:11,495
Speaker 4: got a question. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1617
01:31:11,655 --> 01:31:14,895
Speaker 4: is that number to call? Pete loved the show. Two Things.

1618
01:31:14,935 --> 01:31:22,775
Speaker 4: Trying to find Enjurius shield coat. Yep, that's yes. They

1619
01:31:22,815 --> 01:31:24,415
Speaker 4: are in Auckland, but I'm sure if you need it

1620
01:31:24,495 --> 01:31:26,615
Speaker 4: they can get it moved down. We've got solar panels

1621
01:31:26,695 --> 01:31:31,455
Speaker 4: on the roof which boosts. Can you rejuvenate it with

1622
01:31:31,615 --> 01:31:34,415
Speaker 4: a paint product? I'm not sure what you mean there, Jane.

1623
01:31:34,575 --> 01:31:38,855
Speaker 4: If you've got solar panels on the roof, can you

1624
01:31:39,015 --> 01:31:43,895
Speaker 4: rejuvenate the roof with a painting product? Not without taking

1625
01:31:43,935 --> 01:31:46,895
Speaker 4: the solar panels off. I'm thinking if that's the point

1626
01:31:46,935 --> 01:31:48,775
Speaker 4: of it. And I love this one. You know, we've

1627
01:31:48,815 --> 01:31:51,815
Speaker 4: been talking about sort of protecting tools from rust, right

1628
01:31:53,135 --> 01:31:56,895
Speaker 4: and someone has suggested this. This is great. Hey, Peter Mutton,

1629
01:31:57,015 --> 01:32:00,295
Speaker 4: fat for your saws. I was talking about handsaws that

1630
01:32:00,335 --> 01:32:01,855
Speaker 4: I've got, one of which has start to go a

1631
01:32:01,855 --> 01:32:04,895
Speaker 4: bit rusty. Leave the saw outside overnight to get a

1632
01:32:04,975 --> 01:32:08,255
Speaker 4: light coating of rust, clean it off with mutton fat.

1633
01:32:08,455 --> 01:32:12,135
Speaker 4: It will never rust again. From Dan, I have to say,

1634
01:32:12,255 --> 01:32:18,495
Speaker 4: I'm almost tempted to have a crack at that. Where

1635
01:32:18,495 --> 01:32:20,815
Speaker 4: do I do? I even want to ask the question

1636
01:32:21,015 --> 01:32:24,975
Speaker 4: where do I get mutton fat from? Too late, I've

1637
01:32:25,015 --> 01:32:28,215
Speaker 4: asked the question Rightio, We'll take a short break. We'll

1638
01:32:28,255 --> 01:32:30,015
Speaker 4: be back with you in just a moment. Oh eight

1639
01:32:30,175 --> 01:32:33,335
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty the number to call Squeaky

1640
01:32:33,415 --> 01:32:35,015
Speaker 4: door or Squeaky floor.

1641
01:32:35,255 --> 01:32:38,535
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

1642
01:32:38,815 --> 01:32:39,815
Speaker 1: on news Talks DEBB.

1643
01:32:41,015 --> 01:32:43,615
Speaker 4: Just another thing that I ran into over the course

1644
01:32:43,655 --> 01:32:46,575
Speaker 4: of this week and thought I'd just check. Is around

1645
01:32:47,455 --> 01:32:52,455
Speaker 4: funnily enough water tanks right? So I think, broadly speaking,

1646
01:32:53,095 --> 01:32:55,455
Speaker 4: most councils and all the rest of it want more

1647
01:32:55,535 --> 01:32:59,775
Speaker 4: of us to use rainwater harvesting makes a lot of sense.

1648
01:33:00,255 --> 01:33:04,495
Speaker 4: So even at my place, I've got a Bailey slim

1649
01:33:04,575 --> 01:33:07,055
Speaker 4: Gin tank. So it's one of those ones design to

1650
01:33:07,175 --> 01:33:10,175
Speaker 4: go into a confined space. It's just at the back

1651
01:33:10,215 --> 01:33:13,095
Speaker 4: of a little shed, collects the water off there. I

1652
01:33:13,215 --> 01:33:17,575
Speaker 4: can use it in the garden, use it for water blasting,

1653
01:33:18,055 --> 01:33:20,455
Speaker 4: irrigating the garden and so on. It's just gravity fed

1654
01:33:20,495 --> 01:33:22,415
Speaker 4: and I've got a little portable pump if i need

1655
01:33:22,495 --> 01:33:25,735
Speaker 4: to use it further around the property. So a couple

1656
01:33:25,735 --> 01:33:30,135
Speaker 4: of thousand liters of capacity. It sits on the ground.

1657
01:33:30,695 --> 01:33:35,015
Speaker 4: It's installed as per the Bailey Instruction Manual, so that

1658
01:33:35,135 --> 01:33:38,655
Speaker 4: slim gym tank sits there. And they do some other

1659
01:33:38,735 --> 01:33:42,015
Speaker 4: tanks which are designed, for example, to go underneath an area.

1660
01:33:42,255 --> 01:33:44,815
Speaker 4: And I someone came and said, oh, do you need

1661
01:33:44,895 --> 01:33:46,695
Speaker 4: a consent for that? And I thought I'd better check.

1662
01:33:47,175 --> 01:33:50,815
Speaker 4: So if you are putting in a water tank and

1663
01:33:50,975 --> 01:33:55,495
Speaker 4: it's for stormwater use only, so as in stormwater is

1664
01:33:55,495 --> 01:33:57,895
Speaker 4: directed into it, you're going to use it for irrigation

1665
01:33:58,055 --> 01:34:00,615
Speaker 4: in the garden, washing the car, those sorts of things.

1666
01:34:01,095 --> 01:34:04,255
Speaker 4: And it's sitting on the ground. It's not on a

1667
01:34:04,335 --> 01:34:08,455
Speaker 4: pedestal or anything like that. It doesn't require a building consent,

1668
01:34:08,575 --> 01:34:10,895
Speaker 4: or it certainly doesn't in Auckland anyway. And this is

1669
01:34:10,975 --> 01:34:15,055
Speaker 4: from the Auckland Council website. So you know, don't feel

1670
01:34:15,095 --> 01:34:17,975
Speaker 4: that you need to get a building consent for a

1671
01:34:18,695 --> 01:34:21,655
Speaker 4: water tank if you're using it for commercial purposes. If

1672
01:34:21,695 --> 01:34:23,895
Speaker 4: you're using it because it's going to become part of

1673
01:34:23,975 --> 01:34:27,695
Speaker 4: your non pottable water supply inside the house. So you're

1674
01:34:27,735 --> 01:34:31,375
Speaker 4: putting in essentially a retention tank that you're going to

1675
01:34:31,535 --> 01:34:35,095
Speaker 4: use for flushing the toilet or running into the laundry,

1676
01:34:35,135 --> 01:34:37,695
Speaker 4: those sorts of things. Yes, that requires a building consent,

1677
01:34:37,815 --> 01:34:40,695
Speaker 4: but if you're putting one in partly for I actually

1678
01:34:40,735 --> 01:34:42,815
Speaker 4: think that they're really helpful in terms of you know,

1679
01:34:43,055 --> 01:34:46,055
Speaker 4: stormwater overflow as well. Right now I don't need to

1680
01:34:46,095 --> 01:34:48,975
Speaker 4: water the garden obviously, but it does mean that that

1681
01:34:49,095 --> 01:34:53,535
Speaker 4: amount of water doesn't go straight onto the ground or

1682
01:34:53,575 --> 01:34:56,175
Speaker 4: into the stormwater system because I'm capturing it in that

1683
01:34:56,335 --> 01:34:59,535
Speaker 4: slim gym tank. So you know, it might change depending

1684
01:34:59,575 --> 01:35:02,215
Speaker 4: on which council you are, but the idea of that

1685
01:35:02,335 --> 01:35:06,175
Speaker 4: you must have a building consent that's changed in those instances.

1686
01:35:06,375 --> 01:35:09,935
Speaker 4: With those caveats, there's no reason that you shouldn't look

1687
01:35:10,775 --> 01:35:12,095
Speaker 4: for a water tank. Have a look at the Old

1688
01:35:12,095 --> 01:35:14,575
Speaker 4: Bailey website, lots of information. There are lots of different

1689
01:35:14,655 --> 01:35:16,895
Speaker 4: types of tanks depending on where you might want to

1690
01:35:16,935 --> 01:35:19,735
Speaker 4: put it. So just something I ran into this week

1691
01:35:20,015 --> 01:35:22,295
Speaker 4: that I do some research and there you go. Right here,

1692
01:35:22,375 --> 01:35:24,815
Speaker 4: let's get back into it. John, good morning to you.

1693
01:35:26,295 --> 01:35:27,255
Speaker 21: Yeah, good morning, Pat.

1694
01:35:27,935 --> 01:35:28,775
Speaker 17: I just one of those.

1695
01:35:28,935 --> 01:35:32,735
Speaker 21: I've got a problem with the radio reception inside my house,

1696
01:35:34,175 --> 01:35:38,855
Speaker 21: rather an odd problem, but what happens is I've got

1697
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Speaker 21: a steel framed house which was built in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 21: with a brick house as well, and I just wonder

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Speaker 21: if there's some kind of field that prevents radio waves

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01:35:52,015 --> 01:35:54,975
Speaker 21: from getting into the house, because I can listen to

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Speaker 21: my radio outside the house on the deck. At the

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Speaker 21: moment I come back in, I lose the radio reception

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01:36:03,735 --> 01:36:07,295
Speaker 21: and it and it phades to like why laws feel

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Speaker 21: like right? I just wanted if you had heard that

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Speaker 21: problem before, or one of your listeners might have heard

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Speaker 21: of the problem.

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Speaker 4: Certainly I can imagine that having, you know, lots of

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01:36:16,975 --> 01:36:20,815
Speaker 4: steel framing is going to interrupt signal within the house.

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Speaker 19: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Gee, you know whether whether or not you need to

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01:36:26,815 --> 01:36:30,415
Speaker 4: look at getting a specific aerial that then broadcasts signal

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01:36:30,535 --> 01:36:33,935
Speaker 4: inside the house, like a like a band expander type

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01:36:33,975 --> 01:36:37,575
Speaker 4: thing that you might have got. That might be an option.

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01:36:38,055 --> 01:36:40,255
Speaker 4: But in terms of the way in which the metal,

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01:36:40,415 --> 01:36:43,895
Speaker 4: you know, the metal framing or the steel framing impacts

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01:36:44,215 --> 01:36:46,095
Speaker 4: or that's that's baked in now, isn't it. There's no

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01:36:46,255 --> 01:36:52,335
Speaker 4: changing that. I'm sure that there are some radio hands

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01:36:52,375 --> 01:36:55,375
Speaker 4: out there who might be able to give you some

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01:36:55,575 --> 01:36:57,935
Speaker 4: help with that. I suppose the other option is do

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01:36:58,055 --> 01:37:01,855
Speaker 4: you choose to listen to the radio versus through streaming

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01:37:02,095 --> 01:37:07,735
Speaker 4: rather than through a radio. That's that's another solution. I'm

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01:37:07,775 --> 01:37:09,255
Speaker 4: not sure if I can help you too much more

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01:37:09,335 --> 01:37:11,175
Speaker 4: on that, Odette, good morning.

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Speaker 13: To you, Good morning. I don't know this is a

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01:37:15,055 --> 01:37:18,735
Speaker 13: building issue or where I should go to. We have

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Speaker 13: a house that's built in the seventies and over the

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01:37:22,855 --> 01:37:26,495
Speaker 13: last year or so we've heard the scuttling noise and

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01:37:26,655 --> 01:37:31,335
Speaker 13: the ceiling, but it's only on one side and we

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01:37:31,455 --> 01:37:34,335
Speaker 13: can't get access to it because of the angle of

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Speaker 13: the roof.

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Speaker 10: Ah.

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Speaker 13: Yes, and it only happens probably early hours of the

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01:37:40,535 --> 01:37:42,975
Speaker 13: morning and very instant.

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Speaker 4: So it's probably a rat.

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01:37:45,495 --> 01:37:48,895
Speaker 13: It hard enough on the outer wall then it stopped.

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01:37:50,255 --> 01:37:53,335
Speaker 4: So I mean, look, it would come as no surprise

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01:37:53,415 --> 01:37:55,415
Speaker 4: to you to say it's probably a rat.

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01:37:56,815 --> 01:37:57,255
Speaker 5: A rat.

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01:37:57,775 --> 01:38:01,055
Speaker 13: Okay, So best option.

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01:38:01,695 --> 01:38:04,615
Speaker 4: Pace control, so someone will be able to come and

1741
01:38:04,895 --> 01:38:07,415
Speaker 4: if they can't get into that sp lay some baits

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01:38:07,495 --> 01:38:12,175
Speaker 4: nearby that will attract the rodent to it and lead

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01:38:12,255 --> 01:38:16,295
Speaker 4: to its early demise and that'll be problem solved, hopefully.

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01:38:16,655 --> 01:38:18,375
Speaker 4: I suppose what you don't want is that the rat

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01:38:18,495 --> 01:38:21,215
Speaker 4: takes the poison dies inside the roof space, and then

1746
01:38:21,495 --> 01:38:25,455
Speaker 4: you've got to deal with that. I have to tell

1747
01:38:25,495 --> 01:38:29,215
Speaker 4: this story many many, many years ago. We were living

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01:38:29,295 --> 01:38:33,575
Speaker 4: in a little house with a recontile unit, right and

1749
01:38:34,815 --> 01:38:38,055
Speaker 4: same thing. Right middle of the night, I hear this scuttling,

1750
01:38:38,295 --> 01:38:41,495
Speaker 4: scratching sound. I thought, we've got a rat in a ceiling.

1751
01:38:41,935 --> 01:38:43,855
Speaker 4: So a couple of days later, got a rat trap,

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01:38:44,095 --> 01:38:46,775
Speaker 4: put it up inside the because it was a trust roof,

1753
01:38:46,855 --> 01:38:49,215
Speaker 4: so you get up there, put the rat trap down there.

1754
01:38:49,975 --> 01:38:52,295
Speaker 4: A couple of days later, I hear the scrab you know,

1755
01:38:53,255 --> 01:38:55,935
Speaker 4: sound of a rat scrape in its way across the ceiling,

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01:38:56,375 --> 01:39:00,015
Speaker 4: and then bang the trap goes off, and I thought, good,

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01:39:00,695 --> 01:39:04,775
Speaker 4: I've got it, Except about five seconds after that, I

1758
01:39:04,855 --> 01:39:10,135
Speaker 4: could hear this scraping set and it carried on. It

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01:39:10,295 --> 01:39:12,735
Speaker 4: got yes, and I'm like, it's like two o'clock in

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01:39:12,775 --> 01:39:14,495
Speaker 4: the morning. Do I really want to climb up into

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01:39:14,535 --> 01:39:20,215
Speaker 4: the ceiling and find what's going on? Anyway, that block

1762
01:39:20,295 --> 01:39:21,975
Speaker 4: your ears if you're a little bit sensitive. But the

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01:39:22,415 --> 01:39:25,575
Speaker 4: trap had come down and just caught the snout right,

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01:39:25,695 --> 01:39:28,495
Speaker 4: and so it didn't dispatch the critter, which was my

1765
01:39:28,695 --> 01:39:32,335
Speaker 4: job after that. So the go I would get someone

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01:39:32,375 --> 01:39:34,535
Speaker 4: to do poison. It's probably gonna work better for you,

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01:39:34,655 --> 01:39:35,855
Speaker 4: But I think it's probably a rat.

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01:39:37,055 --> 01:39:40,295
Speaker 13: And one of my pigeons constantly on our deck.

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01:39:40,775 --> 01:39:45,175
Speaker 4: Sorry the what on the wear pigeons? Oh, I tell

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01:39:45,215 --> 01:39:48,575
Speaker 4: you what. Here we go. So again I had similar

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01:39:48,655 --> 01:39:51,615
Speaker 4: problem a little while ago, and I used a product

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01:39:51,735 --> 01:39:56,975
Speaker 4: called wing go, which is a like a gel that

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01:39:57,095 --> 01:40:00,295
Speaker 4: you put down that that stops them landing somewhere. So

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01:40:00,375 --> 01:40:04,655
Speaker 4: in this particular instance, they were rest roosting inside the

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01:40:04,855 --> 01:40:08,535
Speaker 4: rafters on a on old veranda, so I cleaned that

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01:40:08,655 --> 01:40:10,175
Speaker 4: all down because you have to get rid of all

1777
01:40:10,255 --> 01:40:12,815
Speaker 4: of the bird poo and the scent of them. And

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01:40:12,935 --> 01:40:15,335
Speaker 4: then once that had dried out, I applied this window

1779
01:40:15,775 --> 01:40:19,255
Speaker 4: sort of little gel in little pockets, and to date

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01:40:19,495 --> 01:40:21,455
Speaker 4: I haven't had the birds come back. So there are

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01:40:21,735 --> 01:40:23,615
Speaker 4: sort of little baits that you can put out or

1782
01:40:23,815 --> 01:40:28,175
Speaker 4: gels that are unpleasant for birds to be around that

1783
01:40:28,495 --> 01:40:31,575
Speaker 4: it doesn't kill the bird, just gets rid of them. Yeah,

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01:40:32,655 --> 01:40:34,495
Speaker 4: So there you go. There's a couple of solutions. I

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01:40:35,015 --> 01:40:36,695
Speaker 4: don't know how we got onto rats and birds, but

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01:40:36,735 --> 01:40:39,855
Speaker 4: there you go. Both of those work. But that sound

1787
01:40:40,455 --> 01:40:42,815
Speaker 4: I thought, Oh that that that tremendous sort of Ah

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01:40:43,015 --> 01:40:49,055
Speaker 4: got the rat. And then what do you do at

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01:40:49,055 --> 01:40:53,015
Speaker 4: two o'clock in the morning, right, Um, do we have time? Yes? Ben,

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01:40:53,375 --> 01:40:55,215
Speaker 4: super quick because I don't want to hold rude up

1791
01:40:55,215 --> 01:40:58,495
Speaker 4: because it's really grumpy if I if I hold them up. Ben,

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01:40:58,575 --> 01:40:59,255
Speaker 4: good morning to you.

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01:41:01,295 --> 01:41:02,175
Speaker 3: Can you hear me real quick?

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01:41:02,255 --> 01:41:02,535
Speaker 5: Go for it?

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01:41:03,855 --> 01:41:04,015
Speaker 13: Yeah?

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01:41:05,095 --> 01:41:05,415
Speaker 5: Planning.

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01:41:05,495 --> 01:41:08,455
Speaker 3: What's your opinion that seventy five year old dwelling that's

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01:41:08,575 --> 01:41:12,215
Speaker 3: just been repainted? Yes, should we be concerned there's no

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01:41:12,415 --> 01:41:14,775
Speaker 3: proof that it's a spestos. We're probably not going to

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01:41:14,855 --> 01:41:17,455
Speaker 3: run the tests to prove that it's a spestos because

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01:41:17,455 --> 01:41:18,575
Speaker 3: it's not really needed.

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01:41:18,895 --> 01:41:19,095
Speaker 4: Yep.

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01:41:19,495 --> 01:41:23,695
Speaker 3: But in that sense, you know, what are the requirements

1804
01:41:23,735 --> 01:41:25,615
Speaker 3: there in the sense that will it will it keep

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01:41:25,695 --> 01:41:26,215
Speaker 3: chipping away?

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01:41:26,295 --> 01:41:26,375
Speaker 5: Light?

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01:41:26,535 --> 01:41:28,615
Speaker 3: Is it be fine for the next so many years?

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01:41:28,655 --> 01:41:32,295
Speaker 3: Who knows? As long as it's maintained and health wise,

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01:41:32,335 --> 01:41:33,895
Speaker 3: as long as it's not penetrated.

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01:41:34,095 --> 01:41:38,455
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be fine. Look, the primary concern is when

1811
01:41:39,775 --> 01:41:42,575
Speaker 4: essentially you cut it, grind it, break it, and the

1812
01:41:42,695 --> 01:41:46,535
Speaker 4: fibers become friable, they become airborne. Right, So if it's

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01:41:46,695 --> 01:41:48,975
Speaker 4: on a wall and it's covered in paint, and you're

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01:41:49,015 --> 01:41:51,015
Speaker 4: not going to drill through it, or grind it or

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01:41:51,095 --> 01:41:54,055
Speaker 4: sand it or do anything else to it. I actually

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01:41:54,055 --> 01:41:57,855
Speaker 4: think the risk is very, very low and manageable. It's

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01:41:58,055 --> 01:42:00,735
Speaker 4: it's when you go, oh, actually I've got to install

1818
01:42:00,815 --> 01:42:02,775
Speaker 4: a range hood or I want to put a window in,

1819
01:42:03,015 --> 01:42:05,215
Speaker 4: and then suddenly you're cutting it and grinding it and

1820
01:42:05,255 --> 01:42:07,975
Speaker 4: all the rest of it high risk, right, So in

1821
01:42:08,135 --> 01:42:11,255
Speaker 4: and of itself, I think it's low risk. Don't water

1822
01:42:11,335 --> 01:42:13,415
Speaker 4: blast it. If you're going to repaint it, just do

1823
01:42:13,495 --> 01:42:16,855
Speaker 4: a soft wash, apply a primer paint over the top

1824
01:42:16,935 --> 01:42:19,295
Speaker 4: of it, don't cut it, don't break it, don't back

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01:42:19,375 --> 01:42:22,655
Speaker 4: the car into it, and just leave it be. Eventually,

1826
01:42:22,855 --> 01:42:24,855
Speaker 4: you know, you'll probably want to remove it, in which

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01:42:24,935 --> 01:42:29,375
Speaker 4: case it becomes a job for a specialist to do

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01:42:29,535 --> 01:42:32,135
Speaker 4: the removal in a safe manner and have that monitored,

1829
01:42:32,295 --> 01:42:36,135
Speaker 4: and then to ensure that the product itself is disposed

1830
01:42:36,215 --> 01:42:38,295
Speaker 4: of in a site where it doesn't become a problem

1831
01:42:38,335 --> 01:42:42,895
Speaker 4: for someone later on. But in and of itself, no,

1832
01:42:43,135 --> 01:42:44,935
Speaker 4: I'd probably just leave it there.

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01:42:46,695 --> 01:42:49,775
Speaker 3: Easy, too easy, sweet, A hundred more questions, but around

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01:42:49,855 --> 01:42:50,735
Speaker 3: time that's all.

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01:42:50,695 --> 01:42:54,015
Speaker 4: Right, Hey, good on you. Rid appreciates your your promptness

1836
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Speaker 4: as opposed to my tardiness. Thank you, Ben very much.

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