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Speaker 1: Time four The Money Morning Commentary Box, Andrewsville and Jason

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Speaker 1: Pinder both well this fellows, good morning and happy new year.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to you, Mike morning, Welcome back, whiz g whiz.

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Speaker 2: What a pleasant surprise.

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Speaker 1: Now two weeks early. I'm so I'm so emboldened with

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Speaker 1: the joys of life. I couldn't wait to get back.

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Speaker 2: Is this because there was a landslide of emails and

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Speaker 2: messages on social to management mean for you to come back?

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Speaker 2: Or what was?

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Speaker 1: Modesty prevents Modesty prevents me confirming that? But just quickly,

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Speaker 1: because I'm not actually okay, quick question, what was the

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Speaker 1: most uplifting piece of sporting information I saw over the

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Speaker 1: summer period? Jason, go.

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Speaker 3: Cheapess.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you a clue. Let me give you

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Speaker 1: a clue. It wasn't a game or a result. It

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Speaker 1: was a person in what they said. Hm.

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Speaker 3: Was it the way David Kirk fronted the media the

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Speaker 3: other day, that's just a stab in the dark, and.

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Speaker 1: It's not a bad it's not a bad stay in

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Speaker 1: the dark. It was Kowaja, husband khwaja, and I was

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Speaker 1: doing my sit ups and you'll appreciate this, Andrew, I

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Speaker 1: was doing I was doing my sit ups and I

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Speaker 1: happened to have the television on. It was early hours

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Speaker 1: of the morning, in the middle of you know, just

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Speaker 1: before Christmas, and Kowaja announced his retirement. He did his

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Speaker 1: press conference and Sky News were taking the press conference live. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not a big cricket fan and never really

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Speaker 1: have been, in far less a supportive of the Australians,

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Speaker 1: but so I'd never heard Kowaja speak. But what an articulate, bright, insightful,

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Speaker 1: in engaging individual he is and the.

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Speaker 2: Way he got it all out there, didn't he didn't.

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Speaker 2: He had a crack it. He had a crack at

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Speaker 2: quite a few people. And I suppose he'd pinned up

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Speaker 2: after all those years of facing you know, facing a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff online and from other opponents and what

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Speaker 2: have you, you know, sledging on the field and stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he just had an art I suppose, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Exactly thought I thought, go not. He gave it to everybody,

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Speaker 1: But he did it in a very articulate way, and

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Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked his style. Do you you

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Speaker 1: ever heard him talk, Jason? Do you know him at all?

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Speaker 1: Who you know?

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Speaker 2: What I mean? No, I don't know if I have

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Speaker 2: heard him talk before.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I thought, you know, I mean, normally if

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Speaker 3: a guy gives six and seven minute answers in a

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Speaker 3: press conference, you start to not off, don't you. But no,

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Speaker 3: totally compelling and yeah, like sav said, he obviously had

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Speaker 3: a bit to say. He knew this was his opportunity,

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Speaker 3: and I think he took it well. And look he's polarizing,

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Speaker 3: But I yeah, very.

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Speaker 2: This is obviously at the start of your situps, because

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Speaker 2: if it was near the end, you wouldn't understand what

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Speaker 2: he was saying because you'd be so un.

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Speaker 1: To tell you what. I kept doing the sit ups

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Speaker 1: just as long as he kept talking, so by the

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Speaker 1: time I got three hundred and twenty five. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's why I've got the abs I've got. Speaking of which,

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Speaker 1: this morning, where are you putting this? Obviously you won't

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Speaker 1: be on here tonight, Andrew, because you'll be seemingly permanently off.

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Speaker 1: But if you were putting the bulletin together tonight, where

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Speaker 1: would the cricket from this morning go? Is that a

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Speaker 1: big deal?

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Speaker 2: I think that would have to be time. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Dan Hilly, you're finishing second in his first tournament of

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Speaker 2: the year, starting where he left off last year is

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Speaker 2: a great achievement. But beating India in India, pretty strong

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Speaker 2: Indian team with Coli leading the way, you would have

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Speaker 2: to put that at the top.

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Speaker 1: Never done before, No, that's true.

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Speaker 3: Daryl Mitchell, Darryl Mitchell got Darryl Mitchell has to be

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Speaker 3: one of our best all format batters now, doesn't he?

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Speaker 3: Every time he bats for New Zealand, regardless of the format.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the guy's got two hundreds in the series

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Speaker 3: and eighty in the other one. He's so unassuming but

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Speaker 3: Now this is massive. I mean a series win in India,

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Speaker 3: you know in the one day format, never been done yet?

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Speaker 1: Answer me this then, Andrew, forty thousand dollars you get

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Speaker 1: for a loss in round one of qualifying. This is

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Speaker 1: the Australian Open. So if you lose in round one

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Speaker 1: of qualifying, how do you get in? The caller? Can't

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Speaker 1: anyone into the qualifying? Would you have to do something? Oh?

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Speaker 2: You could have a man. There's a ranking cutoff. So

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Speaker 2: if you wanted to enter.

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Speaker 1: Oh, because I thought an easy forty, I just into

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Speaker 1: the qualify. I'd lose a get footy ground.

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Speaker 2: You need an easy forty quite frankly, but no, you

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Speaker 2: need to rank it. You need you have to. You

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Speaker 2: have to be ranked. I reckon probably around two hundred

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Speaker 1: Okay, Katie went in and bought me and us, actually

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Speaker 1: both of us tennis records. Not for the no, no,

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Speaker 1: we're doing pickle. We're doing pickle and paddle. But we

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Speaker 1: needed tennis records. And so she went in and bought

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Speaker 1: and I said to her. She goes, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: buy tennis records, and I said, go in and get

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Speaker 1: me a Wilson hammer because the last time I the

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Speaker 1: last time I played. Oh my god, there's the story,

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Speaker 1: because I said, I said, last time I was playing,

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Speaker 1: I was played with the Wilson hammer. She walks into

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Speaker 1: the shop and she goes, I want a Wilson hammer,

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Speaker 1: and the guy burst out laughing. He goes, what did

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Speaker 1: an old person ask you to buy that? And she goes,

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Speaker 1: As it turns out yes he did, because he goes,

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Speaker 1: we haven't made Wilson hammers for twenty years.

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Speaker 2: You might as well have asked for an Honie Parron

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Speaker 2: Wooden gunle.

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Speaker 1: What are your racket. Those will lass.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to play against one another? Faus mixed doubles.

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Speaker 1: Certainly not mixed doubles. I can't. I can't stand mixed doubles.

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Speaker 1: And the day that I run this country, mixed doubles

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Speaker 1: are going to be banned. But we're going to play

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Speaker 1: each other. And so we're playing in pickle, we're playing

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Speaker 1: in paddle, and we're now going to undertake.

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Speaker 2: The especial your tennis careers back on.

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Speaker 1: It's back on, Andrew and so once.

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Speaker 2: After I blew out both your knees in the.

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Speaker 1: Nineties, once I've got a vibe for how good I

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Speaker 1: can be once again, and the Master's section, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Going to give me.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a call. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: get you on the corner.

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Speaker 2: Records these days are so light, aren't they? They're amazing?

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Speaker 1: Can I be honest? Spot couldn't agree more. But the

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Speaker 1: record I wanted was not the big sweet spot one.

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Speaker 1: This was the thing about the Wilson Hammers. You had

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Speaker 1: to create your own speed. And I don't like a

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Speaker 1: big sweet spot because it just goes ping ping, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not into that. But I do you know what

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Speaker 1: you pay for a top line tennis record these days.

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Speaker 2: Oh least a grand eight hundred.

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Speaker 1: You can't break three hundred, right, you're struggling full price.

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Speaker 1: If you got ripped off and they saw you coming,

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Speaker 1: you'd be lucky to come close to five. When I

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Speaker 1: played like twenty five years ago, you're paying six seven,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars for a tennis recket, whereas now they're

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Speaker 1: cheapest chips. Okay, hey, we haven't do what's that guy's

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Speaker 1: name I used to coach the All Blacks. We should

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Speaker 1: talk about him too, shouldn't we? Probably so, Jason. You

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Speaker 1: guys both rugby experts more so than me. So, Jason,

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Speaker 1: do you, as you said here this morning, have an

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Speaker 1: explanation that you understand from David Kirk that involves Scott

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Speaker 1: Robertson and are you complete in that understanding and therefore

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Speaker 1: what they want to do why they didn't where we're at.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do have an understanding of it, probably largely

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Speaker 3: because of the way David Kirk explained it. You have

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Speaker 3: to look beyond the numbers because, as has been bandied

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Speaker 3: around a lot, the winning record was pretty good compared

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Speaker 3: to other international coaches over the same period. Only Racy

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Speaker 3: Erasmus had at a winning percentage, so you have to

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Speaker 3: look beyond what happened on the scoreboard. The couple of

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Speaker 3: David Kirk used were trajectory, where was this team going?

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Speaker 3: And this He also said this team is not on track.

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Speaker 3: So I think they looked into the future and made

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Speaker 3: the decision that this team wasn't going in the direction

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Speaker 3: that they wanted, and I think he showed some pretty

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Speaker 3: strong leadership in making them very, very tough all.

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Speaker 1: Next question for you then, is why is Robertson being

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Speaker 1: paid to do nothing? If he's not good enough to

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Speaker 1: coach the All Blacks, why can't he get on do

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Speaker 1: his own thing.

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Speaker 2: He's not allowed to coach Tier one team yea, oh no,

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Speaker 2: but why? I think it's sill the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine Neil Blacks don't want to use losing

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Speaker 2: the intellectual property to other national teams.

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Speaker 1: But I would have told I would if you're in

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Speaker 1: that position, if you're not good enough to work with

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Speaker 1: me anymore and you're going to cancel my contract, you

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Speaker 1: pay me the difference of the contract because you breached

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Speaker 1: the contract. And I'm free to go on my way.

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Speaker 2: Yep, he's obviously agreed to those clauses. Though, look Mike.

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Speaker 2: For some in the game to say they're shocked by this,

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Speaker 2: I think clearly they don't have the ear to the

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Speaker 2: ground enough. There have been ructions in this team, even

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Speaker 2: from that first series in twenty twenty four against the English.

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Speaker 2: I'd heard talk out of the camp then, and it

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Speaker 2: hasn't got better over over coaching, lack of clarity, confusion, breakdown,

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Speaker 2: and a breakdown in some of the relationships with players.

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Speaker 2: I'd heard after the Northern Tour that from very reliable

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Speaker 2: sources that he'd last ninety percent of the dressing room.

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Speaker 2: As soon as that happens, you're gone, right. I don't

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Speaker 2: think he's become.

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Speaker 3: A bad I don't think he's become a bad.

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Speaker 2: Coach of right. Just not in the right environment though,

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Speaker 2: because when you when you get into the All Blacks,

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Speaker 2: which is still one of the best sports teams in

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Speaker 2: the world, there's a there's an expectation from players, especially

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Speaker 2: that the coach is as a leader. The coach coach

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Speaker 2: is with with with a clear head. The coach treats

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Speaker 2: everybody the same. The coach that he is to all

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Speaker 2: Black standards which have been built over years and years

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Speaker 2: and years, and that didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Josephe, sorry, who's next? Who's your pack?

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Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of a lot of clamor

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Speaker 3: for for Jamie Joseph. I think Jamie Joseph with Tony

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Speaker 3: Brown is a very different proposition from Jamie Joseph without

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Speaker 3: Tony Brown. And you know, depending on who you're here,

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Speaker 3: who you listen to out of the Republic, Tony Brown

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Speaker 3: is staying put, and I think that's probably quite a

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Speaker 3: good idea for him. I really like the idea of

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Speaker 3: Dave Rennie being involved somewhere, whether that be as a

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Speaker 3: head coach or part of a coaching team. You know,

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Speaker 3: he was doing good things with Australia until they, you know,

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Speaker 3: inexplicably wanted to get Eddie Jones back in there. So

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Speaker 3: I quite like the idea of Dave Rennie. I think

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Speaker 3: they'll probably go with Jamie Joseph. But yeah, that that that's.

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Speaker 1: Kind of my what's you call? Andrew?

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Speaker 2: I think most importantly, even more more important, I think

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Speaker 2: than the appointment of an All Blacks coaches, they've got

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Speaker 2: to get this next high performance manager right. That position's open.

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Speaker 2: I'm not too sure in the near future if the

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Speaker 2: general manager of Pro rugby position becomes open, But if

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Speaker 2: it does, are the three key jobs in New Zealand rugby.

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Speaker 2: They've got to get those right. I'd love to see

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Speaker 2: to do that, but maybe be appointed as high performance

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Speaker 2: manager or another management position. All those three have to

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Speaker 2: be aligned. There's been a breakdown for a number of

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Speaker 2: years and the development of players and pathway of players,

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Speaker 2: it seems overall, Mike, I think, yes, the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: have been winning, but from what I understand, some of

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Speaker 2: the players believe can't believe how they're carrying on, how

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Speaker 2: they've been carrying on winning despite what's been happening at

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Speaker 2: the top of that team. So they've got to get

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Speaker 2: these all these positions right, and I think under David Kirk,

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Speaker 2: you'd like to think they will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Kirk. I don't have time for this, Jason,

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Speaker 1: but I'll ask you anyway, maybe carry it on next week.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with sport cricket resignation, Knitball resignation, Railing

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Speaker 1: Castle reappointment. What the hell's going on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good question. Our three top sports don't have

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Speaker 3: a CEO.

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Speaker 2: What is going on?

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Speaker 1: Something not right about it?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, it just feels.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's an old way to start a new year, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: But I'm sure there'll be lots to chat about across good.

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Speaker 1: If I start next week's segment banging on about myself again,

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Speaker 1: just reminds me that's what I wanted to actually talk about.

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Speaker 2: Let's I think I think today we should have flipped

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Speaker 2: it around. But the big question is should I should

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Speaker 2: I get my Russell Simpson scalar up all stars out

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Speaker 2: of the garage and start.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what I'm feelings.

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Speaker 2: I feel it.

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Speaker 3: Can I heearl a rematch coming on? I am I'm

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Speaker 3: coming to watch that. I'm coming to watch that. When

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Speaker 3: that happens, I need to be only the game.

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Speaker 1: The only question mark I have is pace of serve.

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Speaker 1: At this point, it used to be as you remember, say,

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Speaker 1: two twenty two thirty k's each time, But I just

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Speaker 1: worry about the tennis and elbow now and.

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Speaker 2: Same with me. I'd need I'd need several cortazone shots

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Speaker 2: into the old right shoulder to get that wound up again.

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Speaker 2: But I think there'd be a lot of I think

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Speaker 2: we'd be paid exhibition prices.

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Speaker 1: I big money there. I'm going to get on to

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Speaker 1: Wats's face, who had as legal as face broken with

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Speaker 1: that boxing the other day, and get some advice on that. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Nice to see you guys.

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