1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Hello, it's Matt Heath here with a massive self source. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: My number one best selling book, Are Lifeless Punishing Thirteen 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Ways to Love the Life You've Got, is out now. 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: It's the result of a deep dive I took into 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: how to deal with the emotions that make our lives 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: more punishing than they need to be. I reckon, I 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: found a way to live a life less bored, less stressed, angry, worried, annoyed, scared, dissatisfied, 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: and more. 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The number 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: one best selling are Lifeless Punishing Thirteen Ways to Love 17 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: the Life You Got, as available in all good bookstores now. 18 00:00:47,720 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: Shocking self source over. 19 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: Let's get bizyz. There we are. The eleventh of June 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Tuesday, the eleventh of June twenty twenty four. 21 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 2: No Daddy Today, I'm a podcast Because he's always sick. 22 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: He is a ways sick, so sick. We just did 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 3: an entire show, didn't We fellas on our own without 24 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 3: many for the first time in a very very long time. 25 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: The only time we could think about him having a 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: sick day was COVID. And it wasn't even a proper 27 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: sick day for him, was it? Because I remember him 28 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 3: coming in he was still giving it a crack. 29 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were trying to get rid of him when 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: he had COVID, like we were trying to, but it 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: wasn't easy. 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: Didn't He test in the office that came in one 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 4: day felt terrible, came in the next day was worse, 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 4: and we were like, let's find your test mate, and 35 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 4: then he suddenly he was like, oh that's right. 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 3: God, he's an admirable character. He loves his job, Maddie. 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: He loves his job and does. 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: Not like to take a day off and no war 39 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: and for that, Yeah, he's got a good work effic. 40 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: So the other thing about it was that he hadn't 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: had COVID. He was like the one person who hadn't 42 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: had it right, yeah, and he was saying, oh, I 43 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: can't get it. I can't get it. I can't get it. 44 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: And the moment that you start saying that, of course, 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: the universe has a very good way of bringing you 46 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: down to earth and giving you COVID. And he got 47 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: quite hard by it. I think he battled his way 48 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: through it. 49 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to not talk about COVID. Now. 50 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: We were just talking before we started this podcast, when 51 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 3: we felt as we were starting, why were we reflecting 52 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: on COVID? For some reason, it came up in conversation. 53 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: We were having a look back before we started recording 54 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: and having a talk about that kind of twenty to 55 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one time. I mean, maybe it is a 56 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: bit of a two depressing topic. 57 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: I was like, tesday, do you know what when I 58 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: don't think we should talk about it because for me, 59 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: it's like some kind of fever dream. 60 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: That I had. That's the past what it's like. 61 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 2: And it was. I know, there's a lot of people 62 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: that saying it was such a good time because it's like, oh, yeah, okay, 63 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: but I mean you can because we've got to stay 64 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: at home and bake, so you can do that anytime 65 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: you want, all right. The option now is that you 66 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: can't stay at home and bake, or you can go 67 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: out and hang out with your friends, or you can 68 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: go over the seas if you want, or you can 69 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: travel around the country or do whatever you want to do. 70 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: You can do all those things, whereas during that time 71 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: everybody was being forced. Anyway, let's not get into do you. 72 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 3: Think okay, instead of reflecting on maybe quite a sad 73 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 3: time looking forward, do you think we maybe learning anything 74 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 3: as a country. 75 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: I don't think we're ever going to do any of 76 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: that crap again that way, Are we put it that way? 77 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: No? Anyway? 78 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think too many people would push back 79 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 4: against the rules now. They wouldn't be able to control 80 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 4: it the way that it was, Especially in that first 81 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: one it was it was also trying to rainbows. 82 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 3: And then we were just I think they were. And 83 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: the second one we had the protests and all that 84 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: kind of stuff in Wellington, our first time, a different worlds. 85 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: Well, nobody knew what was what was going on. God, 86 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: that was a weird time. And as we've said, of course, 87 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: it's huge effects that continue on. I mean, the ripples 88 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: continue and they will for many many years. Oh, they 89 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: will continue forever now, I mean it continues inside of 90 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: people and children and also so it keeps going. 91 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: I mean there's industry is like one that you work in, Jerry. 92 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: That radio and television media in general are feeling the 93 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: ripples pretty hard right about now? Oh yeah, that time 94 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 3: and as it's very clear and the new cycle and 95 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: things like that, it's going to be like that for 96 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: a long time. Anyway. You are you away last week? 97 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 98 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: Filming Taskmaster? 99 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? How did that go? Do you want me to 100 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: tell you exactly who ws? And I'll go through every 101 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: task and I'll tell you what I judged everybody if 102 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: you want, would you mind? I mean, I'm not going 103 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: to watch it, so it's nice to know I've never 104 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: watched it, to be fair? Is it good? 105 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: Is it worth watching? 106 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: No, you've never watched it. You've never watched Task Master? 107 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 4: Nah, it's supportive work mates, Thanks. 108 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: A lot, mate, this is this is the fifth season 109 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: and you haven't watched one single show. 110 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 3: Well, why haven't you asked me to be contestant yet? 111 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 2: Jerry? Wow? 112 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: I mean do you I'll watch it if I start, 113 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: I'll watch it if I'm on it there you go. 114 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 4: Wow, it too late now? 115 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: Is that so? Is that the rule that you normally 116 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: apply to all television programs TV? You have to be 117 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: on them to watch them. 118 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: That's why it was on Plas ten seven, Wasn't it matter? 119 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: And that's why I sport pusses me off because I'm 120 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: not out there. 121 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: I run the opposite. I'd rather I will watch something 122 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: if I'm not on it. I won't watch something if 123 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: I'm on it. It's you know what it is? 124 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: Do you know what the show is, how a task 125 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: Master works? 126 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I do. 127 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: My family in all seriously, that are big fans, my 128 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: mother and my father, especially Lagish task Master. 129 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: That's good family viewing. 130 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 4: That is good family. 131 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 3: Viewing, isn't it. And I've definitely caught a couple of episodes. 132 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: But what I didn't understand about Task Master until recently, 133 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: and Jerry, you might be able to explain this to me, 134 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: and there'd be people listening right now that are one 135 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 3: of these people. But task Master fans are quite interesting. 136 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: There is this task mass it's the universe that has 137 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: kind of evolved over the last few years because of 138 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: the UK's version of success and then now also internationally 139 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: it's had some success. Like there's rid of pages and 140 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 3: forums that are so deep on the world of Taskmaster. 141 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 3: Do you find yourself in those holes at all? Never interesting? 142 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: I've never read anything about it. Well, it's not you 143 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 2: don't want to read things about yourself, do you even? Inevitably? No? No, 144 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: because I'm look, what happens in those situations is that 145 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 2: you do the job as well as you can, but 146 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: also you're well aware that you know you're not doing 147 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 2: it brilliantly, you know. I mean, if you think that 148 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: you've done a job when you're going, oh my god, 149 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: that was just absolutely amazing, I'm going to head to 150 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: social media to back up my feelings of how I 151 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: feel about my own performance. I mean, you were living it, 152 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: you were watching it through your eyes. You know every 153 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: bit that you did well, and you know every bit 154 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: that you could have done better, and you know you 155 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: know why, you know the reasons for all of those things. 156 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: It's like, why would you go to why would you 157 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: go to see a whole lot of views of people 158 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: who weren't there and don't know. Now, I hear what 159 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: you're saying, what you already know. 160 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: But you know, Jerry, that that's how people operate, and 161 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: you make it sound like that that's a silly thing 162 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: to do. There's a silly thing to be watching what 163 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: you do back and stuff like that. But that's what 164 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: most people do do. And I'm not saying it's the 165 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: right thing to do, because what you're saying is definitely 166 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: the right thing to do. But you care a lot 167 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: less than other people do. I think there's a lot 168 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: of people out there that would be on shows like 169 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: Taskmaster and then fall down holes of reading things about 170 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: themselves and all that kind of thing. 171 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: Well, I care a lot, and I think when you 172 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: read something and it reinforces your feelings on it, but 173 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: you just hope that people didn't notice, then you go, 174 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: oh god, everybody notices on I'm a complete failure and 175 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: just makes you feel thinking. Interestingly, one of the task 176 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: Master comedians who's on the season, we're having this exact 177 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: same chat, and she spoiler alert, said do you read 178 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: because she knew about the hordes of Taskmaster fans who 179 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: just pour over everything, And I mean they do things 180 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: like they write Taskmaster fan fiction, like like fiction and 181 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: stuff using the contestants. Yeah, it's it's pretty interesting. I 182 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: think the Taskmaster fans are more likely to be on 183 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: the spectrum than any fan of you any other television show. Interesting, 184 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: I think personally of the people that I've met over 185 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 2: the years. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but 186 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: that's just an observation that I've made. So she was 187 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: saying to me, what do you do in terms of 188 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: people's criticism Marine, and I said, well, I just don't. 189 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: I just think it's probably a good idea not to 190 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: read it, because you do your best in the situation 191 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: at the time, and then it's filmed and then it's edited. 192 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: Other people are trying to make you look as good 193 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: as they possibly can, or other people are making you 194 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: casting in a certain way to add to the program 195 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: and the overall vibe of the program. You've got to 196 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: have a mad, glad, sad and a bad on any panel, 197 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: on any cast, on any TV show. Otherwise it doesn't work. Sorry, 198 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 2: what a mad glad, glad, sad and bad. So when 199 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: you're casting television in terms of reality, I think it's 200 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: kind of pretty common knowledge that you've that you to 201 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: create Jeopardy within the show, you can't have everybody being 202 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: the same type of person. 203 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: I mean, that makes sense. To me, But I didn't 204 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: know that there was this kind of mad, said, glad 205 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 3: bad theory out there. So is that what you kind 206 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 3: of try and construct a panel around when. 207 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: You're well, Yeah, every successful every successful reality show has 208 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: those elements. Sometimes they've come across it by mistake. Sometimes 209 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: sometimes the people who are casting it are really smart 210 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: and know what they're doing. In terms of task Master, 211 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: they know what they're doing. So you need someone who's mad. 212 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: So someone's a bit crazy. And I know that's not 213 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: a word that you meant to use anymore, but we 214 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: all understand what that means. So mad, glad, see person 215 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 2: who's really really happy. Bad. So someone who's kind of 216 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 2: an angry person who the audience might hate. Mm hmmm, 217 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: did I say sad? Mad glad? Sad said and bad? 218 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: So it's sad as well. So someone who's a little 219 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 2: bit emotional, like an emotional character interesting, it is more 220 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: likely to show their emotional real emotions, a crier, bit 221 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: of a victim. So I mean, I'm looking at each 222 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: Taskmaster caster and now if those people are listening to 223 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: this podcast, they'll be like, wonder if I was the 224 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: sad person or the mad person? Doesn't have to be 225 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: much of that in the character, because ultimately you still 226 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 2: in Taskmaska, You've got to be funny. But it helps 227 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: to have a difference in character, and if you think 228 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: about them in that way, then it's a good way 229 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: of creating balance. 230 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 3: Just back to what you were saying before about reading 231 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: feedback on yourself, was that always the way that you've 232 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: been I mean, you've been around television for so long, 233 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 3: and you know, have a can use boy days. There's 234 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 3: a lot of work that you've made that I don't know, 235 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: Jerry might have caused a little bit. 236 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: Of a backlash. I first started, the only way that 237 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: people could communicate with you was via email or of 238 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: course just come in and facts. 239 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 4: Hmmm, so a letter, yes, a lot more letters, yeah, 240 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 4: of course. 241 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 242 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: So if you were receiving negative feedback about something contificially 243 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: you've done with Havoc or whatever it was, I don't 244 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: know if it's any media lunch or whatever, or that 245 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: big breekfast. I suppose it's a little bit later in 246 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: time and closer to cell phones, but in social media. 247 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: But so if you weren't consuming any of that stuff 248 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: that was coming in. 249 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: Well, do you know, back in the day. It took 250 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: so much effort to send in something negative via letter. 251 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: You'd have to get a pen and a paper, and 252 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 2: then you'd have to write it, and then you'd have 253 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: to get an envelope and you'd have to get a stamp, 254 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: and it would cost you forty five cents and then 255 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: you'd have to send it away. So to do that 256 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: required a certain amount of love, really and care, because 257 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: if you didn't care, then you wouldn't be bothered to 258 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: do it. So and then email came along and it 259 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: became a little bit less hard, so you found there 260 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: was more. So I can tell you that from when 261 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: I started in the media in the mid nineties only 262 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: ninety six. In those days, you only really received positive 263 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: stuff via mail, and we used to receive probably five 264 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: maybe maybe five pieces of correspondence a day in those days, 265 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: quite a lot. And you'd get mail that would come 266 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: around TVNS and you'd get all these letters from people 267 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: and people had send you stuff. It was really cool, actually, 268 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: I kept a lot of it. And then and then 269 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: email came along in the late nineties, and then you'd 270 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: still mainly get positive stuff that came through, but you'd 271 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: occasionally get a negative thing and then I witnessed the 272 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: change probably and then then people stopped writing letters in 273 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: the two thousands, and then it was only emails and 274 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: it started balancing a little bit more between positive and negative. 275 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: And then, interestingly, I reckon the comments on the bottom 276 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 2: of reviews is the first time that I really saw 277 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: people who were putting in very little effort to write 278 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: negative things about people. So it became way more at 279 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: that point. So the lower the barrier became too, correspondence, 280 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: the more negative comments that you got. 281 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 4: Okay, what about back in the day though, and I 282 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 4: think it was a segment that used to be on 283 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 4: various incarnations of the Havoc Show was the TVNZ phone logs. Ah, 284 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: that's how people is that how people used to complain. Yes, 285 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 4: ceased to ring the receptionist. Yeah, the receptionists would type 286 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: it up and pass it on, did you guys, because 287 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 4: obviously you had a segment where I think mainly Mikey 288 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: would read it out and sometimes you as well. 289 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: Yes, the phone locks. It was called the phone it 290 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: was called yeah, the TVNS We used to read the 291 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: tv Z phone locks. 292 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 4: Now, because I remember when I first started in the media, 293 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 4: which was like late two thousands, and I could see 294 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 4: the TV three phone logs, and that was the next 295 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 4: couple of years. You could actually see a real drop 296 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 4: off and the number of people that were ringing up 297 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 4: and complaining. Yeah, which sort of you know, intersects with 298 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 4: the start of social media young with the reviews, yep, totally, 299 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 4: and suddenly people became more faceless. 300 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: Yep. 301 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 4: You could say the negative things about how much you 302 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 4: hated certain media people, and instead of having to put 303 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 4: your name to it and your number to it, you 304 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: could just in fact, people just use fake fake names. 305 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: Well that's right, I suppose people did that as well, 306 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: Like you can't handle the truth sixty four at you know, 307 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: who's a commenter on stuff, and all of a sudden 308 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: the stuff comment is with pseudonyms. I've always thought, to 309 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: be honest, that all the worst things happen anonymously in 310 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: the media, so talkback used to be a thing that 311 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: you could do anonymously. It just encourages people. They don't 312 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: put their face or their name to things. They can 313 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: make a comment without actually anything really coming back at them, 314 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: whereas if you are, say a named person, if someone 315 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: knows who you are and then you make a comment publicly. 316 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: People know they can put a face to it. They 317 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: can it can follow you around a little bit. I 318 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: think the anonymous part of it is the dangerous part, 319 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: and I think you can you can sort of do 320 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: it through social media, I suppose, but generally you're doing 321 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: it through a name, aren't you. 322 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 4: There was there used to be back in the day. 323 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: I used to listen to Murraydeker a lot as a 324 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 4: late teen early twenties, and there was this took back 325 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 4: caller that was always called Mark and he had this 326 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 4: kind of kind of Australian accent, but he was always very, 327 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 4: very opinionated, and he used to get recognized out and about, 328 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 4: and he changed his name to Zay seriously because he 329 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 4: was sick of people harassing him for having an opinion 330 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 4: on Murray Decer's show. 331 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: Right. He was one of those guys that would call 332 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: up and really lay into the All Blacks if they 333 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: lost or something. 334 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 4: It was yeah, and to be fear from memory. I 335 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: think it was actually quite onto it not just like 336 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 4: all Black stuck and that was that was his whole argument. 337 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 4: But yeah, he just got sick of people coming up 338 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 4: to him and wanted to punish him in the pub 339 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 4: to change the name to Zayn, but then, funnily enough, 340 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 4: centered exactly the same. So if you'd and for longer 341 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: than about five or six months, you knew who they go. 342 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: Well, wouldn't you just change your name from? Like, why 343 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: would you ever talk back? Why would you call talkback 344 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: and use your real name? I thought everybody used the pseudonym. 345 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: I don't know that. 346 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: Bombshell. Let's come back in a moment. 347 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: A bombshell? Is it? 348 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 5: So? 349 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: I haven't got their broke button ready? 350 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: Welcome back, we're talking talk back. 351 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: I've actually got a question for you, Jerry, and maybe 352 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: you read directly for the minute, because you've been around 353 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: long enough for this as well. So this is kind 354 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: of back to the feedback thing that's being left by 355 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: listeners in the way that it's changed over time. Broadcasters 356 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: now and I don't think this is a secret very 357 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: worried about what people have to say about them, and 358 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: that's and that's fair. At what point did it change, 359 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: Durick and from? Because when you started, Jerry, it was 360 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: like broadcasting was very much an art. 361 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 5: And people took it very seriously. But you got into 362 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 5: it don't been an art. You got into it because 363 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 5: you thought whether or not it was funny or not. 364 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 5: Who was the names that come into my mind right now. 365 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 3: The sign off you doing seven sharp Paul Holmes is 366 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: you were actually quite fascinated in the way that he broadcasted. 367 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 3: It makes it sound winky, and I apologize using that wit, 368 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is you got into it because 369 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: you liked broadcasting, and you thought it was interesting and 370 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: you thought it was the techniques were interesting and all 371 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And I think that's how most 372 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: people felt when it was like late nineties, and then 373 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 3: all of a sudden feedback started coming along, and now 374 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 3: people are broadcasting not really for themselves, they're broadcasting for 375 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: other people. 376 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So what are you saying exactly? You're saying 377 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: that particulating this. Are you saying that back in the 378 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: day people used to do it for I think people 379 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: always did it for the audience. 380 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 3: Yes, I think what I'm trying to figure out here 381 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 3: is at what point did it switch from the people 382 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 3: on social media and stuff like that have been able 383 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: to have an opportunity to give some feedback towards the show. 384 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: When did that become a real concern for TV shows 385 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 3: and broadcasters. So there were do you know what I mean, 386 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 3: Like at one point, I'm sure in the late nineties 387 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 3: and early two thousands, there was a time where you're 388 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: making TV shows and it was in a room and 389 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 3: you were discussing ideas, and you're making them for people, 390 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 3: no doubt, and to entertain people. But it was just 391 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: what they're only kind of really opinions that mattered with 392 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: whatever is in the room and you're making them and 393 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: stuff like that. But now it just feels like there's 394 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: so much feedback coming into these people. It is rattling 395 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 3: a lot of broadcasters. Well what do you reckon, reader, 396 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: I reckon that. Back in the day, people like programmers. 397 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: So the people who employed the broadcasters awfully wood to questions. Sorry, 398 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: I haven't figured this out in my head. 399 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: Even it's okay though we're on a podcast, we're fleshing 400 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: things out. It's just it's all ideas. So I think 401 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: back in the day, programmers used to listen to the 402 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: show and they used to think whether or not it 403 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: was a good show based on their own experience. So 404 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: this is the program, this is the people who are 405 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: our bosses, you know. And then they used to look 406 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: at the ratings as well, and they'd say, is that 407 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: a popular show? Is this person a good broadcaster? And 408 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 2: then they'd get a little bit of feedback every now 409 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: and then, but that would be about it. But they'd 410 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 2: generally go on their own gut of experience of what 411 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 2: they thought was good and what wasn't. And the same 412 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: thing was probably with the music that they used to 413 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: play on radio shows and stuff. It would be it 414 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: was not science. There was no science to it. It 415 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: was all gut and what people thought, and it was 416 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: probably a little bit of a little bit of learning 417 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: around that. You start the hour with a banger, and 418 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 2: you know, there was probably a bit of that sort 419 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: of stuff. There's a bit of science involved at the time, 420 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 2: but the feedback was probably not a key part of it. 421 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: And then I think those people, those programmers probably started 422 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: to have to justify their decisions a little bit more. 423 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: And if people started to question it publicly and there 424 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: was more open forum to that public feedback, which they became, 425 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: maybe then at that point they had to justify it 426 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 2: to the people above them, and so they would then 427 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: have to try and hope that the feedback that was 428 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: coming back was in line with their thinking as well, yeah, 429 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: do you have. Actually, they couldn't go across. I couldn't 430 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: go against what was at that stage overt public opinion 431 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: because before that, where did the public opinion come from? 432 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: Letters to the editor. 433 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, just as you are someone that was making 434 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 3: the TV show. I think this is what I'm trying 435 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 3: to say. Does the weight of a negative comment now 436 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: compared to what it would Did they have the same 437 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: weight back then? 438 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: Oh? I think it was more because you'd get a letter, 439 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: so it was someone to write a horrible letter. Like 440 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: I remember, you'd get occasional letters from someone who has 441 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: clearly hated you, but otherwise they wouldn't put enough time 442 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: into writing a letter. Nowadays, someone can just watch something 443 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: and think, I don't think that's funny, and then they'll 444 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: just text you and then we get it funny. Do 445 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: you we get that regularly? And it's like, you know, 446 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 2: it doesn't take much effort. So I think you take 447 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: the weight of the you take the weight of the 448 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: effort that it takes for the person to make the 449 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: comment with the comment, so you've got to weigh it up. 450 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 2: I think that's what I was just trying to explore. 451 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: It's just funny that now it's easier to give feedback 452 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: than ever and the comments that are coming in should 453 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: mean far less than they used to. But it just 454 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 3: doesn't really feel that way. I don't think to a 455 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: lot of people. 456 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean well, I think as you get older 457 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: as well, you get thicker skin, and you have to 458 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: have thick skin if you're going to be in broadcasting. 459 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: I mean there's no point. You can't be a person 460 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 2: who's who's thin skinnedn be a broadcaster that's this This 461 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 2: is not the job for you. It's just that simple. 462 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: I mean that that might sound harsh, but I really 463 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: believe that. So Massa Jerry just said, this is not 464 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: the job for you. So I trant to pack your stuff. 465 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: I still get rid of older. It's not a nice feeling. 466 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 3: If you get a text, is it or a message 467 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: saying you know a bit of a shitter to day? 468 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: Mate, Well you've got to ask yourself from my day 469 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: are having Are you having a shudder? Well? 470 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 3: Hang on, are you saying that I should actually have 471 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 3: a look at this feedback and go maybe you are? 472 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: Well if you know it to be true, right, you 473 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 2: know that you've had a shutter and you go, yeah, 474 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: I had a shudder. Okay, I had a shudder. Everyone 475 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: has shitters. What's wrong with that? Everybody has a shuitter? 476 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: I mean everybody who goes to work and goes and 477 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 2: does their job has a shuitterer. The fact that you 478 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 2: have a slightly more public shitter means you have to 479 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: have thicker skin. 480 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: If you get a negative comment, is that one of 481 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 3: the first things you do is like, is this argument 482 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: that this person's making legitimate? And if it is fair play? 483 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 3: And if it's not, fuck them? 484 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: Well? 485 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? 486 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 2: And also I think to myself, because I'm old, do 487 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: you want to know the truth? I think to myself, 488 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: Now I'm old enough and I've been doing it for 489 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: long enough that can that person? Can this person do 490 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: better than what I do? 491 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 5: Oh? 492 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: So this I'll probably think. Probably not. Maybe they are 493 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: an amazing broadcaster who's never broadcaster before, but maybe they 494 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 2: don't really understand the ins and outs of it. 495 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 3: That's something I hadn't considered. Of course, You've got a 496 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 3: confidence that comes in over time as well. And I 497 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: suppose if you're new to something, you're far more susceptible 498 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 3: too intense feedback, and it feels far more jarring and 499 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: rattling than what it would if you've been doing it 500 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 3: for how many years have you been doing it? Sexty odd. 501 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: Almost I'll be thirty in a couple of years, thirty chip. 502 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: But also, don't you reckon rude it. As you get older, 503 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: you go, ah, you're just more comfortable in your skin 504 00:22:59,440 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: full stop. 505 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you just care less and less. And 506 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 4: what you say about the fact that as you do 507 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 4: things over time, you do become more confident and these 508 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 4: things sort of become second nature. Like I'm part time 509 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 4: musician and like most of the gigs that I play, 510 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 4: and probably I'm not that great, but I remember being 511 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 4: a kid and going and watching my brother's band and 512 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 4: he played for a few hours, and it was like 513 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 4: watching a magic trick, Like he just knew all of 514 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 4: these songs and he could play them from start to finish, 515 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 4: and I just found it mind blowing. But now I'm 516 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 4: sort of at a point where I go, well, it's 517 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 4: no biggie, it's just what I do. It's just my hobby, 518 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 4: it's just my part time job. But I guess that's 519 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 4: kind of like if the odd average listener came in 520 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 4: and watched you mash pressing the buttons and putting the 521 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 4: show together, which you do a great job of on 522 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 4: the radio show on the e broadcast. Very good, sounds 523 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 4: good good. They'd just be like, how the buck a 524 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 4: are you managing to do that and making it sound 525 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 4: like that, and be how are you managing to also 526 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 4: talk and understand what's going on in the meantime? 527 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: That's interesting? Yeah, that's right, Well, thank you. 528 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 2: First of all, Yeah, I know you're a very good 529 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: button push. I've said this before. I mean, this is 530 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: like a very good button pusher, very good, very good 531 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: button push. It's a non an easy. 532 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 3: Job pushing buttons, no is, trust me. 533 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: There's the difference between someone who pushes buttons competently and 534 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: someone who pushes them and gets and has real timing. 535 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: As timing is just the tiny little one percent. 536 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 3: It's always admired me about. I've always admired you for 537 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 3: that though, Jerry. The negative feedback thing, there's a lot 538 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 3: of it that goes around in the media today. 539 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 4: It's quite hard if you do look at the negative feedback. 540 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's quite hard to not bite back at it, 541 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 4: especially if the person's got no fucking point. Oh god, 542 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 4: no fuck. But there's also some hilarious negative feedback that 543 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 4: you can get through. Like I remember once watching a 544 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 4: video that i'd made at a previous radio station, and 545 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 4: it was a divisive song that I'd written, and I 546 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 4: think it was about Huntley, and one particular person went 547 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 4: on that and ripped me a new one, and they 548 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 4: finished with the comment, by the way, like the fact 549 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 4: that you need to get yourself a titty trainer, referring 550 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 4: to my man boobs. 551 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 3: You know that seems to be the one focus for 552 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: a lot of people that's deeply personal. 553 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 4: It was, I mean, it was not. It wasn't a 554 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 4: flattering shirt because you know how sometimes you wear like 555 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 4: a light colored shirt, it just really enhances the curves 556 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 4: and depending on the lighting and ways that you don't. 557 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: Like, Well, hang on, I don't think I don't think 558 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 3: you're blame here for the fact that you're wearing this shirt. 559 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 4: You don't have moves. That's that's very kind of you. 560 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: But no idea, it's just not it's just not necessary 561 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: to post that comment, is really. 562 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 4: But you'll notice if you ever watched those videos back 563 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 4: at a certain point I started wearing black t shir oh. 564 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, But the other part about that is that 565 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 2: they probably think, Oh, you're taking the piss out of 566 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: this thing, so I can take the pas out of you, 567 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: which is which is kind. 568 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 4: Of true, and that's that's probably something that happens to 569 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 4: this radio show and a lot of radio shows, is 570 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 4: that you guys just have a go at each other 571 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 4: like mates would, and then you'll go out into public 572 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 4: and they'll be a listener or a viewer and they'll 573 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 4: be like, Oh, these guys I know them, and what 574 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 4: they do in their relationship is they take the piss 575 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 4: out of each other, and so they would just start 576 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 4: ripping into you. Yeah, and they'll go For instance, someone 577 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 4: might walk up to Matt and go, fuck, you're a 578 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 4: loser and be like, that's that's just them being funny. 579 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: Did someone do that the day? 580 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 3: No. 581 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: I remember someone coming up to me, someone coming up 582 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 4: to me once and being like, because you know how 583 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 4: some people still use the word homo as an insult, 584 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 4: and he was like, ah, mate, you're just a homo 585 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 4: and just kept going at me when. 586 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: You were on the rock or yeah, I mean that's 587 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: classic rock. 588 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 4: Lesner And a few times I let it slide a 589 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 4: few times and then I just slowly started letting it 590 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 4: get to me. 591 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: You wouldn't. You wouldn't find a ridiculousnessaying something like that ironically. 592 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 4: Do you know how I dealt with it? I threw 593 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 4: a hot sausage into his face? 594 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 2: Did you? 595 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 4: And I had him in the eye. 596 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: You're going to say you grabbed his balls? 597 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 4: No, absolutely, hot sausage in the face, did you? No 598 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 4: hot from the barbecue? 599 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 2: Who's the home right now? Mate? And you're loving this? 600 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 2: I can see you're loving it. You're all barred up 601 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: in my mouth. Who's the who's the gay boe? Now? 602 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: Huh? 603 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: I think that would probably sort things out, though. Don't 604 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 2: you think if you did take that approach and you're 605 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 2: loving this and then as he ejaculates, let's see you 606 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: regret doing it? Did you think of doing it? 607 00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 5: No? 608 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 2: Okay? I threw this? Okay, well, I guess you did 609 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: the next best thing. 610 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 3: You should have called his bluff, mate, You should have 611 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 3: wake it out. 612 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 4: It's like gay chicken. Have you guys ever played gay chicken? 613 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 2: What's chick? You're crying? Do gay chicken? What's gay chicken? 614 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 4: When two intersexual guys start just getting closer and closer 615 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 4: to each other to see who pulls out of the 616 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 4: game first. And I've seen dudes kissing because they don't 617 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 4: want to be the one losing. 618 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, that's what i'd do. 619 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 4: I've pulled out a gay chicken pre kissing. 620 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 3: Have you chicken? 621 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: I've never heard of gay chick, never chicken. 622 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: Man. 623 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 3: I'm glad we got something to love that podcast because 624 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 3: I was asking questions that we're making sense. We alwyd 625 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: about negative feedback. And then what, Rudy, you ended up 626 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: with a cock in your mouth? 627 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 4: Does that that I threw through my hot sausage and 628 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 4: his face and then Jerry embellished and that's I had 629 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 4: him in the eye and then I apologize, Oh, sausage 630 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 4: fat to the eye. That can cause problems. Pink iye, 631 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 4: get pink ie from it. 632 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 3: She just get that printed on the T shirt. 633 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: I got pink eye from a sausage to the face. 634 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 3: I mean, you've always seen that. 635 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: That's a good that's a good T shirt with the sausage. 636 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 3: The picture of d of sausage. 637 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: Jesez. I don't have to be a T shirt big enough. 638 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe a nighty okay, anyway, that is 639 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: that us. I feel like we've gone rogue. He's not 640 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: here that he's not in his tidy things up. Okay, 641 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: we'll give us a course on track. We've gone, we've 642 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: gone rogue. No, don't give us a. 643 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: Call you three for three, so we wrap things up. 644 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: We don't want to I don't want to hear about 645 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: what people think of that. 646 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 4: It's anyone calling. 647 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 3: No, No, one's good. 648 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: I don't want to hear. I don't want to know. 649 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: Oh why not? 650 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: I want to know? 651 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 3: Could you actually would it be quite smart? Full circle? 652 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: Leave your feedback on this? 653 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: No, no, I don't if you if you want to 654 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: give any fee back, it has to be by letter. 655 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: That's a really good idea too. Radio Hurdocke kere Of 656 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: in the Matt and Jerry Podcast feedback Two Graham Street, Yeah, 657 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: kere Of in zied me Or Radio Hurdarcke to Graham Street, 658 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: Auckland City, Okay zero one zero our posts Yeah, I 659 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: think you know generally get away without the postcode. But 660 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 2: just two Graham Street, Auckland City, Radio Hurdickie Matt and 661 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 2: Jerry Podcast feedback. 662 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 4: So if anyone goes on to the conclave the Man 663 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 4: Jerry Facebook discussion group and they leave feedback there. We're 664 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 4: just going to ignore it, right, Okay, you're going to 665 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 4: ignore that. 666 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: Oh god, what's the conclave. 667 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 3: It's something that we set up about a year ago, mate. 668 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 4: The Madenerry Facebook discussion group to discuss the Maddenery Show 669 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 4: on Facebook. 670 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 3: Oh, they've got about two and a half thousand people 671 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 3: on the really. Oh it's a great crow. 672 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 2: Okay. 673 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: The Conclavers All right, you haven't heard about the Conclavers. No, 674 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: they sound like good people. They're the best of us. Yeah, right, 675 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 3: a couple of hotties in there, now to out there. 676 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, members can now, Oh this isn't good. Members 677 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 4: can now anonymously do posts on there that just came 678 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 4: up this morning. 679 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if you should have anonymous stuff. I 680 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: don't think you should. 681 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: Let's go in and eat it that day. 682 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: Okay, Well that was fun. Thanks everyone, We'll see you tomorrow.