1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Fourteen to five, all the secrecy, all of the hiding 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: behind the diplomacy, and finally we have our hands on 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: this comprehensive strategic partnership between the Cooks and China. Barri Sopacy, 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: Hey Barry. 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: And it has to be put into some perspective, doesn't 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: it really Ryan that the Corkhans has a population of 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: well under twenty thousand people. China has a population of 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 2: one point four billion people. The Cooks is about the 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: size population wise or smaller than Levin. So it's like 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: China doing a deal with live In. And why on 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 2: Earth Mark Brown, the Prime Minister of the Cooks has 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: kept this deal secret. Goodness only knows either it is 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: creating trouble because it is an insult in New Zealand. 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: We do have an agreement with the Cork Islands to 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: be open and frank with New Zealand about their dealings internationally. 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: They are part of a realm. Are their realm the 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: New Zealand realm, which basically means we both have there's 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: head of stake, King King Charles. So no big deal. 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: But I've read, I've skim read the deal. If they 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: if the Chinese are trying to win the hearts and 21 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: minds of the Cork Islanders. China has agreed to continue 22 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: to supply scholarship opportunities to the Cooks and they'll make 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: every endeavor to take them up. That's the Cork Island. 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: China will continue to promote the Chinese language by Cork Islanders, 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: and they're providing they'll provide teaching resources within the Corks 26 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: to teach them Chinese. 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: See the thing is I mean you mentioned Levin. Levin 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: doesn't need a new port being built, you know what 29 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean. 30 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: The infrastructure has been built by the Chinese in the 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: Cork Islands now for some considerable time. 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: Yes, but this looks to me. I mean, the thing 33 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: that worries me. The only thing that worries me about 34 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: this agreement is the mention of one belt, one road, 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: which is you know, the old Silk the new road 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: Silk road they're looking at so, I mean, and they 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: wanted to put the Cooks on it. 38 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: You know. 39 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: The thing is you look at the Pacific was ignored 40 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: by the United States for quite a long time. The 41 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: Chinese influence in the court, not in mccox, in the 42 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: Pacific nationhood has been essentially taken up by the Chinese, 43 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: so they are much more influence influence in the Pacific 44 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: than they once were. But that's you'd have to look 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: at the reasons for that. New Zealand's doing its best 46 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: now to re establish itself, but doesn't have the money. Unfortunately. 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: That China has a lot of big reports out today 48 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: which we've been you know, skimming our way through the 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: Public Service Commission report, and we've had a addis into 50 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: the vaccines and the census Dardo, and we've had the 51 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: state stats in z Boss fall on his sword. 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: Yes, Sir Mark Soden, he's going at the end of marches, 53 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: which is when his contract ends. I'm not sure there 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: has been told to walk up. I suspect that is 55 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 2: the case. Brian Roach, who I know very well, probably 56 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: said from look, it's not a good look for the 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: public service. This too many gaps, not enough checks and balances, 58 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: and of course you've got the Maldi Party right at 59 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: the center of this. What this inquiry didn't do though, 60 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: and it's important to note that it didn't look at 61 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: the validity of the specific allegations that have been made 62 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: against the Maldi Party that's being locked at by the 63 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: Privacy Commissioner and by the police, and they are the 64 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: critical ones when it comes to politics and all of this. 65 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: But certainly the public service generally has been found wanting. 66 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: And I know you're going to be talking to Brian 67 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: Roach and you'll know how to repeat those comments. 68 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: The Green's been a bit silly in parliament. 69 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: Oh honestly, Ryan, I thought, if you really want to 70 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: know how ridiculous of the Greens can come, it can 71 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: be when it comes to Parliament whether New Zealand should 72 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: be rugging up over winter or letting a leight's go off. 73 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: Here's Chloe Swarbrick answering asking Chris lux in a question 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: that obviously falls into the category of knowing the answer 75 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: before it's asked, but then later compounding it, in my view, 76 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: with just plain silliness. 77 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: Does extracting and burning coal make climate change better or worse? 78 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 4: Well, I just say having an oil and gas band 79 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 4: that that member signed up for, which has led us 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 4: to import in huge amounts of Indonesian coal to keep 81 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 4: our lights on, we would like it to be gas 82 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 4: because that's better than coal and we're not going to 83 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 4: have the situation we had last winter. 84 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 5: The Honorable Change O Kin the Prime Minister confirm is 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 5: a consequence of the cancellation and the oil and gas industry, 86 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 5: over one million dollars worth of coal will be important 87 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 5: from Indonesia to enable people to actually enjoy energy security 88 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 5: this year. 89 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and again it wouldn't need to be that way 90 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 4: if the previous government had a proper energy policy instead 91 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 4: of a bumper stigger. 92 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 3: Why does the Prime Minister think that? Rodka, former year 93 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 3: of the Climate Change Commission, and his final hearing before 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: this Parliament, said that those who promote the combustion of 95 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: fossil fuels are quote commissing crimes against humanity in. 96 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 5: Quote Godli to him. 97 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 4: I mean, this is an outrageous conversation we're actually having 98 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: here because this country needs to grow. We need to 99 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 4: have economic growth. The Greens not for economic growth. 100 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 2: Honestly, I mean, you know, I just thought it's worth 101 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: playing that just to show how silly this argument can become. 102 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: She actually even said us Chris likeson whether coal was 103 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: a mineral, and I don't think he knew actually it's 104 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: a fossil fuel. But if you look it up, if 105 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: you look up what coal consists of, there are minerals 106 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: and coals it's. 107 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: On our minerals list. Now we can probably sneak it 108 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: in there. Surely fascinating, that isn't it. I mean it's 109 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: it's that sort of level of debate. We're either with 110 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: us or you know you're a nazi, can't. 111 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: Well, no, that's exactly. It's just nonsense. 112 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: And this is Chloe's using the electricity that's generated by col. 113 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: Yes flying from Auckland every week to go to Parliament, 114 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: burning carbon credits. 115 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: So every time she gets on a plane, it's a 116 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: crime against humanity, exactly. Very sot it, Very Soper, Senior 117 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: political correspondent, News Talks. It'd be seven to five. 118 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 4: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. 119 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: Listen live to News Talks. 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