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Speaker 1: Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Just gone ten after four News Talk SEB. The Ministry

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Speaker 2: of Education has released the draft English curriculum for high schoolers.

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Speaker 2: Suggested reads include George Orwell's nineteen eighty four great book

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Speaker 2: I read that at school. You've got poetry in there,

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Speaker 2: You've got World War Two speeches from Winston Churchill. That's great. Shakespeare,

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Speaker 2: of course is in They're compulsory for seniors. English Teachers

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Speaker 2: Association President Tinning is here for reaction. Pip good afternoon, Hello,

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Speaker 2: how are you good?

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: So are you happy with the curriculum for high schoolers

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Speaker 2: and intermediate as it stands?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it a big question? And not entirely. There's definitely

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Speaker 1: some some aspects of it that I think are really promising.

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Speaker 1: There are definitely aspects that are a little bit concerning

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with those. What don't you like about it?

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Speaker 1: How full it is in the expectations for teachers to

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Speaker 1: get through a huge amount of work over across the

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Speaker 1: school year. That is worrying, And the idea of students

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Speaker 1: engaging meaningfully with the number of texts that are being

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Speaker 1: being asked to be covered, as well as all the

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Speaker 1: other areas that are expected to be covered across across

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Speaker 1: that school year.

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Speaker 2: So for years for seniors twelve and thirteen, you've got

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Speaker 2: to read one Shakespeare and you've got to read one

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Speaker 2: nineteenth century text. Aren't the rest all suggested?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? It's interesting because that is what it's been called.

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Speaker 1: Is when you look at the actual website, there's some

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Speaker 1: language there that is ringing a few of my alarm

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Speaker 1: bells definitely around whether that suggested is at some point

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Speaker 1: going to turn into compulsory. The language is still concerning

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Speaker 1: and has been now for us for oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: what are we April pushing a year? Now?

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Speaker 2: What language you're talking about? What word are they using?

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Speaker 2: Because here I'm reading.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So if we have a look on the website,

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Speaker 1: is talking about a supplement A follow list for teachers

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Speaker 1: to choose from will be available with the final English

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Speaker 1: Learning Area area. So what that sort of starts to

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Speaker 1: sound a little bit like is that actually there's going

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Speaker 1: to be a list and you're going to be expected

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Speaker 1: to choose from. Now, if I'm wrong, I'll be super stoked. However,

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Speaker 1: moving from suggested through to a fuller list for you

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Speaker 1: to choose from becomes a little bit alarming.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So but as it stands, I mean, let's let's

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Speaker 2: let's assume that they're not, you know, plotting against you here.

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Speaker 2: As it stands, you're okay with that. I mean, how

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Speaker 2: many books can it should it could read in a year, Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, over the course of a class.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important that they read definitely an

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Speaker 1: extended written text. So whether that's a novel or some

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Speaker 1: kind of nonfiction memoir, et cetera. I think we definitely

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Speaker 1: understand as English teachers that those extended texts are are vital. However,

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Speaker 1: you've got extended texts, and you've got poetry collections, you've

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Speaker 1: got drama texts, you got a film and other text

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Speaker 1: forms along with, you know, making sure that you're covering

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Speaker 1: those with some real depth and thought. And then you've

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Speaker 1: also got the idea that there's fiction and non fiction

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Speaker 1: and different times in places and this is important and

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Speaker 1: should definitely be their text by ar Turtle and New

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Speaker 1: Zealand authors around the world. Popular and youth cultures which

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Speaker 1: could be interesting, but you know in text that they've

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Speaker 1: chosen for personal enjoyment. Now, all of those are really important.

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Speaker 1: Potentially it's going to be difficult to cover all those

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Speaker 1: meaningfully when you start looking right across.

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Speaker 3: Those aspects one year, because it's so in one year

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Speaker 3: you've got to do an extended text, a poetry, a film,

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Speaker 3: a drama, and you've got to meet tack all of

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Speaker 3: those boxes as well.

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Speaker 2: And that's for one year group, that's not across the

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Speaker 2: whole their whole experience at school.

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Speaker 1: And I think Ryan, that's a really good phrase that

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Speaker 1: you've used, because it does feel a lot like a

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Speaker 1: bit of a tick box. Because the other thing that

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Speaker 1: hasn't come out is how all of this is going

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Speaker 1: to be assessed and what that's going to end up

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Speaker 1: looking like. I would hope there's actually better consultation and

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Speaker 1: working with the sector around that then there has been

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Speaker 1: with this curriculum, because the lack of openness and transparency

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Speaker 1: with it should be concerning everyone, not just English teachers.

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Speaker 2: All right, but appreciate your time. That's the English Teachers

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Speaker 2: Association President Pip Tinning on the program talking about this

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Speaker 2: new curriculum that's for English for your intermediate students and

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Speaker 2: for high schools as well. Nine two nine two. The

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Speaker 2: number of text I was saying to ants earlier, you

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Speaker 2: can only remember one book that I read at school,

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Speaker 2: and the only reason I remember it was Othello, And

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Speaker 2: the only reason I remember it because the teacher, Missus Jorgenson,

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Speaker 2: who was just brilliant, made us all perform it around

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Speaker 2: the classroom Basically, you know, read it aloud and you

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Speaker 2: would each play a character or whatever, and so it

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Speaker 2: was interactive and it was fun. But I'm sure we

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Speaker 2: had to read other books. I just honestly could not

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Speaker 2: tell you what I read nineteen eighty four. Apart from that,

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Speaker 2: I honestly couldn't tell you basically much of what happened

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Speaker 2: at high school, and now I wasn't started most of

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