1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday, Jenny Anderson's with us along with Mark Mitchell. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Good morning to both of you. 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: Morning morning, good morning. 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Do you know have you heard about our new country 5 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: music station Ginny? 6 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: Oh no, I haven't. 7 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: It's on various frequencies around the country and it's on iHeartRadio. 8 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: We've launched all launching this Friday, a country music station. 9 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Oh great, I'm in, I'm in, I reckon. I'm not 10 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: in between six and ninety listen to other times of 11 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: the day. 12 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: But I'll tell my dad too, John, and we're talking 13 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: and help me in as well. 14 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: Tell your dad, Mark. Where is GiB and mcskimming? 15 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: Well, he's suspended at the moment, and I can't say 16 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 3: anything more than that. 17 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: How long is he going to be suspended for? 18 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: Well, until the process is complete, And I'm afraid I 19 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: just can't say. 20 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: No, no, I understand that. But why does it take 21 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: so long? Is there are very obvious once this all 22 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: comes out in the wash one way or another. Is 23 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: there an obvious reason why it's taken so long. He's 24 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: been suspended for months now, Yeah. 25 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: I think so. I just you know, these metters do 26 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 3: take the hit. They're taken seriously. There are process that 27 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 3: has to be followed. It can feel like it takes 28 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: a long time, but it's got to be done properly. 29 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Okay, Jenny, I watch here's the text for you. I 30 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: watched question Time yesterday as the nude I am as indeed, 31 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: I am. I'm interested if you ask Genny please, of 32 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: Labour's biggest concern in education at the moment is emails 33 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: being sent from Erica's Gmail address and that was Willow 34 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: jen Prime. Was that story a stitch up between your 35 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: party and Mikey Sherman. 36 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: There is a concern. I mean, don't let's not forget that. 37 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: Clear Karen was prosecuted on this and ended up losing 38 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: your job as a result of not using. 39 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: I think I think it was a coffee with Carol 40 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: Hirshfeld that did her in. 41 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, but the point is that we need 42 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: to know those things, and we get pretty strict briefings 43 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: from GCSB. And that's why guys and all of those 44 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: Internet safety people that it's a real risk to be 45 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: doing that and not to do it need to be upfront. 46 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, argued. No one argues you break the rules, 47 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: but you guys all broke the rules. We know that, 48 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: and that's why I can't work out. So was it 49 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: a stitch up? Was Willa Jeen Prime feeding Mikey Sherman? 50 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: Is this how this works? 51 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: No? No, I think these information going everywhere at the moment. 52 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: There's lots of different people in the public who are 53 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: now saying that Eric Sinford has asked them to email 54 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: her at their address, So you. 55 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: Can I just say this thing. And I'm not a 56 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: technical expert, but my wife was explaining she is was 57 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: explaining to me like, We've got a number of email addresses. 58 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: I've got a number of email addresses, and depending on 59 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: how the email arrives depends on what thing it sends 60 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: it back in, and you may or may not know 61 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: what that address is. If that makes sense. Is it 62 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: possible that I write to Erica, Erica replies to me 63 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: and they go, right, that's on Gmail as opposed to 64 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: a ministerial account, and she may not have known that. 65 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: No, that's not right. So the parliamentary system is secure 66 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: and it's encrypted in Gmail is not And no, I 67 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: know that. 68 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: But if I wrote to her on Gmail, if I 69 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: looked up her address and saw it was Erica at Gmail, 70 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: and I wrote to Erica at Gmail, and she replied 71 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: on gmailers it's not her fault, wrote to. 72 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: Her, No, that I think that's the point that we 73 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: need to get to the bottom of that. The parliamentary 74 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: system is unlikely to allow that kind of a division 75 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: to be in place. 76 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: Okay. Having said that, the picture question, surely, Mark, is 77 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: that there's there's a world of really big stuff going 78 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: on right now. This isn't one of it. 79 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I can help Genny get to the bottom. 80 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: But quite simply, Erica Stanford is working extremely hard on 81 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: making our education system much better and much more friendly, 82 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: user friendly for both our teachers and parents to get 83 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: our kids back at school and get them learning again. 84 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: So that's number one. Number two, she used her Gmail, 85 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: she said, because she had to print some documents, totally 86 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 3: get it. Apparently ministerial services are fixing that. But so 87 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: the real is the real. So there's no big conspiracy here, Ginny, 88 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: it's just quite quite simply a minister is working very 89 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: hard trying to get the job done. 90 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: She said. 91 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: Yes, it wasn't the perfect process, She's aware of it. 92 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: Now we all won't do it again, create absolutely, and 93 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: we go back to twenty eighteen Jenny, And this is 94 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: the end of it because I'm sick of it. But 95 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: you guys all did it. When I say you're not 96 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: you specifically, but there's a long list of labor and 97 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: piece who did it. I mean, it's just stuff happens, 98 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: that's life, it's admin move on. I mean, this is 99 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: not a scandal. 100 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: We just need to make sure that in this day 101 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 2: and age, when there's increasing risks around security of internet 102 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: and information, particularly budget information, that everyone's using the rules 103 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: as they are. And you know Marks before, he's a 104 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: big guy for the rules, loves them, must stick to them, 105 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: so that applies to all in peace, and we need 106 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: to be clearer that everyone needs to be using them. 107 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: Well before I forget Jenny Catherine Weed's thing on social media, 108 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: would you guys back that given act won't. 109 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: Well it's a bit funny, isn't it. Why have you 110 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: got the Prime Minister standing by a backbencher saying he 111 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: loves this as a member's bill. If he thinks it's 112 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: so cool, why doesn't he just make it a government bill? 113 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: Would do it very cool? But given it isn't, why 114 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: don't would you stand behind it? 115 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: We think it's pretty it's all right. I want to 116 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: take a better look at it. 117 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you had a better look at it in theory. 118 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: Would you would you back it in theory? 119 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 2: Good? But the problem we've got is implementation, and that's 120 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: what's Australia his head, exactly, that's great. 121 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: How are you going to it doesn't work? Market doesn't work. 122 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: Have you told Catherine when it doesn't work? 123 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: Well, look there in schools. Let's look at the I 124 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: go into a bunch of high schools. They've all got 125 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: their laptops out and you're missing in each other like 126 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: crazy on their laptops, not on their phones now because 127 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: phone's got been so like we need to look at 128 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 2: if it's implemented. Is it actually going to work and 129 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: make it safer or is this just a bumper sticker 130 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: that makes parents feel okay? For a while, and then 131 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: none of the army well. 132 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: Said, well, Seed, I'm loving you more and more by 133 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: this segment goes on mark you so what Well? 134 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: The first thing I'd say is, yes, the Prime Minister 135 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: supports all of his MPs, so seeing them about supporting 136 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: one of our caucus members is something that a leader 137 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: should do. Number two, it's somebody that Catherine feels very 138 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: strongly about as a mother, and and she's brought this 139 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: forward through our caucus, which is a process that all 140 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: of the parties use, and she's put it forward as 141 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: a member's bill, which is he. 142 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: You're the government. 143 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: Government, you're the government. 144 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: So Jinny, every single just bet, every single one of 145 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: our members of caucus has got a private member's bill. 146 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 3: That's the way I bring legislation through as well. And 147 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: it may turn into a government bill. That's not my decision. 148 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 3: That will be a decision with the Coalition. But at 149 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 3: the moment you've got a really passionate member of Caucus, 150 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 3: a member of Parliament and a mum that has brought 151 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: this forward. We know that, yes, technology has been very 152 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: positive for us, it's also got some serious negatives and 153 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: the way it impacts with our young people. 154 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: All right, mark the pay equity thing. Frustration I have 155 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: with Brook van Velden in its purest form. You're never 156 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: going to be able to jerrymander gender when it comes 157 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: to work. So what is it you're trying to achieve? 158 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: Well, he didn't. 159 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: He fact checked himself into muting Boomer time. Jinny, Yeah, 160 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm here, what's the matter? With them. 161 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think it's the chubby cheeks again. 162 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: I think it is. And he'll come back on in 163 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: a moment. You go, I'm here. 164 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: Do I get to talk about pe? 165 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 166 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: All right, you because I had a neck k. 167 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: We want a system that's yeah, every. 168 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: Time music is he done again, he's done it again, 169 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: and he'll boom back anyway. The point is that, yes, yes, 170 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: just laugh. 171 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: I was just I was just going to say that 172 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we want a system 173 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: that is equitable, fear and is sustainable. 174 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you haven't got one and you're not going 175 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: to have one. That's my point this morning. You can't. 176 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: You can't go rest home, working mechanic. It's not real. 177 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's ridiculous that the lowest paid women in 178 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: New Zealand are going to have it worse under this legislation, 179 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: and then they're boasting about it. 180 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: You've got David c. 181 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: Can because you lower it, you make it harder, you 182 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: make it more difficult. How you change it from seventy 183 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: percent to sixty percent paratis seventy, You change the comparators, 184 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: how it's compared, You make those wait ridiculous, you make 185 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: those listen, though, you make it ten years before they 186 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: can go back and have it reviewed. All of the 187 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: thirty three claims that were underway are wiped out. 188 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: Make it does not stop. Pay equality claims from the ones. 189 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: That have been in training for all that time are 190 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: being wiped out. Thirty three have been absolutely wiped out 191 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: by that legislation. You have David Seymour boasting that he 192 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: has saved your budget by saving millions of dollars. Those 193 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: millions of dollars belong to women working hard and jobs 194 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 2: that should pay them more. The listeners to this radio 195 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: station will have women in those jobs and they need 196 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: to know that this government has undercut their wages in 197 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: order to pay for their budget. 198 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: You got are you guys right behind it? I mean, 199 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: I get that this is a very act ideological thing. 200 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: I get that. Are you guys in boots and all? 201 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we support it because at the end of the day, 202 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: the system, the way that Laboured set it up, was 203 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 3: not sustainable for us as a country. And what Jenny 204 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 3: fails to members, fails to mention it's all those women 205 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: out there that are also is tax payers paying for it. 206 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: So we have to make sure that so we have 207 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: to make sure that it is sustainable. It's not government 208 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 3: money you can't afford to work, it's tax payers money. 209 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: And it's not taxpayers money, it's wages of private businesses. Also, 210 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: it's a whole range. 211 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: Because a lot of people are avoiding the public service. 212 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: So is Mark actually not all though? Are you actually 213 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 2: saying Mark that it is not sustainable for this government 214 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 2: to pay the lowest paid women workers a fair wage. 215 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: It's not sustainable for this country with the settings that 216 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: you changed, and that is why and said, that's absolutely, 217 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 3: and that is why we have made the changes. And 218 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 3: that is why. 219 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: Is when you say people are worth more, who decides 220 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: And you've decided that mechanics are the same as rest 221 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 1: home workers, which is absurd, So that needs changing. But 222 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: what you know, some job work is worth what it's worth. 223 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: The comparators are ludicrous. 224 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 2: So that's fine if you want to fix that, we're 225 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: happy to have a debate, but do not eradicate thirty 226 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: three claims and do not make it. 227 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: Those claims are on old rules, so if you're changing 228 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: the rules, you can't have them some on the old 229 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: rules and some on the new rules, because that's not 230 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: a level playing field. 231 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: Those claims still come forward, They can still come forward. 232 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 2: Talks about I think. 233 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: You tell me that those claims can't progress. Is that 234 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: what you're saying? 235 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: They progress under a more difficult set of circumstances. 236 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: Resetting to what's what the settings were before and in 237 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: line with the bill that we brought forward because we 238 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that as a national party that 239 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 3: we were recognizing dealing with p equity. We recognize it's 240 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: an issue, we want to deal with it. We've all 241 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: got mums and daughters and everyone else we want. We 242 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: want it to be fear and we want it to 243 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: and we will. 244 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: It's great, isn't it. It's an excellent geney. It's an 245 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: excellent contest of ideas. I get your view, I get 246 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: mark few. It's a good contest of ideas. 247 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,599 Speaker 2: Fix the comparators don't. 248 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: And the reason why is because you keep referring to 249 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: women and enjoving to women. 250 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: And that's right. 251 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 3: That's right. But you gave an eye roll when you 252 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: when you said that we care just as bit about that, 253 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: just as much as you do. Not use they're actually 254 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 3: believe it or not. 255 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: One thing one soon as well. 256 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: Just condescending. It's just. 257 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 3: It's not condescending at all. The labor putting labels on 258 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: people submitted, you lose the debate. You try to put 259 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: labels on people you completely consistent. It's not condescending. It's 260 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 3: quite simply the fact that as a country we're trying 261 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: to be really responsible and allow system to be that's 262 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: sustainable into the future. Everyone can, they have access to it. 263 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: Every We should all be driving towards play equity and 264 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: this is what this change does. 265 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: All right, Bree, Okay, guys, appreciate it. Mike Mitchell, gy Ands, 266 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: now tell you what I'm interested in is whether it 267 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: moves the needle politically, because it's a hot potato, as 268 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: they say, ins and Mike Mitchell for another Wednesday. 269 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 270 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 3: news Talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 271 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.