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Speaker 2: One three five Madam Tyler Afternoons number one three five

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Speaker 2: the full show for Thursday, the twenty ninth of May

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. And I tell you what, our chat

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Speaker 2: about Everest went off least, so if you make it

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Speaker 2: to the end. We talked to a guy that's climbed

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Speaker 2: Mount Everest, and that's what I wanted when I put

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Speaker 2: this topic up. I was hoping someone that climbed Mount

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Speaker 2: Everest up seeing I think there's only been fifty something. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was pretty good that one of them was listening.

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Speaker 3: He was number five to three and he was amazing.

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Speaker 3: What a journey why he got put through the ringer

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Speaker 3: to get up to the top of Mount Everest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We also chat about some dietary stuff and as New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the league issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adam's Afternoons News Talk said, men.

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Speaker 3: Do you welcome into the show. Met in tyler with

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Speaker 3: you until four pm. I hope you're doing well. Where

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Speaker 3: if you're listening in the country, get a met get.

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Speaker 2: A tyler, get everyone, and thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: tuning in. You great and Zelanders. I've got a whistle.

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Speaker 3: There we go, Yes you do. Do you want to

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Speaker 3: tell the people where you got that whistle from?

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Speaker 5: Again?

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Speaker 6: If you just tuned in.

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Speaker 2: Look, I found a box that said free to a

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Speaker 2: good home whistles, and so I walked past and I

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Speaker 2: blowing it. And then my friend Kate said, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's a practical joke that people play. They give put

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Speaker 2: a box of whistles and they say free to good home,

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Speaker 2: and then you blow into it and they've done something

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Speaker 2: disgusting to it. So I know, I'm hopeful that that's

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Speaker 2: not what's happened, but yeah, but there's a possibility.

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Speaker 6: You're all in now.

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Speaker 3: I mean you've blown that thing about twelve twelve times now,

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Speaker 3: so it's too late.

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Speaker 2: Well I'm still alive. So it wasn't at It wasn't

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Speaker 2: just been something disgusting. But does if anyone out there

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Speaker 2: if you find a free whistle, should you blow it?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 3: Course you shot at nineteen nine to two though if

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Speaker 3: you disagree, right on to today's show after three thirty.

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Speaker 3: We didn't get to this earlier this week, so we

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Speaker 3: really can have a chat about it today. The most

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Speaker 6: So Everest, yes, Everest Beck.

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Speaker 2: After two o'clock. Yees. So it's called orthophobia. No it's not.

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Speaker 3: it's a good piece that was written by Nicky Bezant

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Are you stressing our Are we stressing

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Speaker 3: That is going to be a great chat after two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: But right now, let's have a chat about Kiwi supposedly

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Speaker 9: So we're not good enough at the moment.

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Speaker 8: Well, when the reality is this, which is that when

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Speaker 8: The second thing is, yeah, people will say, oh, we

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Speaker 9: But those those skilled key weeks we're leaving.

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Speaker 10: The size of Napier on a plane is an economic refugee.

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Speaker 10: Do you agree that New Zealand's not good enough for them?

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Speaker 8: Well, what I agree is that in recessionary times, as

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Speaker 8: we've seen in our past, people will make choices to

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Speaker 8: then when there's a job of our governments just to

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Speaker 9: When do you think this country will be good enough

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Speaker 8: You can't say a date, but what you can do

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Speaker 8: is make sure every thing you're doing every day is

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Speaker 8: about doing the things that I honestly believe if we

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Speaker 8: world class education, better healthcare, that is the reason can

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Speaker 10: So Treasury in the latest update, unemployment is going to

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Speaker 9: Yeah, wage growth to two point seven percent.

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Speaker 10: Even if the Aussies stood still and didn't increase their wages,

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Speaker 10: which we know that they will, it would take twelve

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Speaker 9: Is that when you think they'll come back?

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Speaker 8: Well, I can't say, but what I can tell you

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Speaker 9: And that's been a thirty year problem.

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Speaker 8: The economists will talk about economic productivity.

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Speaker 6: So can you get your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 3: So clearly he is putting it down to productivity, and

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Speaker 3: a lot is being talked about productivity. How do we

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Speaker 3: get our productivity up, But he also talked about healthcare,

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Speaker 3: you also talked about safety, but I think he talked

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 2: Are we good enough in New Zealand? Are we ever

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Speaker 2: going to be good enough in New Zealand? Is this

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Speaker 2: why people are leaving? Health care, safety, productivity? Isn't it

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Speaker 2: just because Australia is bigger and ambitious? People will always

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Speaker 2: be attracted to places where more things are happening. Aren't

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Speaker 2: we always just going to lose our brightest and a

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean when was it not like that?

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Speaker 6: It's a good point.

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Speaker 2: When have we not been hearing that that Kiwis are

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Speaker 3: Look, I know there's been a lot of young Kewis

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Speaker 3: that have decided to try and get to Australia and elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: But when I was younger, there was a good half

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Speaker 3: always been the case. It is just because they are

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Speaker 3: larger cities hence more opportunities. Can we really compete with that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And look, if we want people to stay in

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Speaker 2: cancel the trans Tasman travel arrangement because what happens now

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Speaker 2: is New Zealanders can just go over there and live

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Speaker 2: in Australia, allowing them to live, work and study indefinitely.

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Speaker 2: You know, as long as they they continue to meet

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Speaker 2: the character and health requirements and remain in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: cities and they can come and they can live in Australia.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So if we're really serious about people not going

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Speaker 2: go to London, you can be over there, you run

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Speaker 2: your oe over there for a while. Yep, But it's

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Speaker 2: a short amount of time. If we're serious about it,

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Speaker 2: why don't we shut it down? Why don't we shut

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Speaker 2: down the trans Tasman travel arrangement because it's there's not

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Speaker 2: a lot of Australians that move here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually got a system right now where our

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Speaker 2: economy by us flooding skilled people over there that we

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Speaker 2: educate here. Yeah, but why because they don't want to

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Speaker 2: come back here. I mean, how many Australians do you

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Speaker 6: Very good point.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 3: So we are talking about the Prime Minister Christopher Luckxen's

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Speaker 3: comments to Ryan Bridge this morning that our poor productivity

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Speaker 3: are poor how healthcare and security is the reasons why

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Speaker 3: young Kiwi, skilled Kiwi's are leaving this country to Australia

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Speaker 3: and the UK.

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Speaker 6: So what do you say?

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Speaker 2: And look, I've been corrected by Gen here and I

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Speaker 2: appreciate that on nine two nine two. Hello blokes. Just

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Speaker 2: remember some of the brightest and best people who's to

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Speaker 2: remain in New Zealand. Surely they come into the conversations absolutely.

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Speaker 2: When I said our brightest and best go, I mean

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Speaker 2: I meant to say some of our brightest and best

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Speaker 2: will always go. But of course some of our brightest

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Speaker 2: and best, like Gin here who sets it through, have

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Speaker 2: go to the bigger place. You know, it is like guys, Australia,

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Speaker 2: as the Texas says, Australia is a bigger country and

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Speaker 2: You can go for three years, two years, and then

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Speaker 6: Like the UK.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the UK, go and spread your queens, earn

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Speaker 2: While moving to Australia only involves getting a cheap ear

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Speaker 6: People exactly, Aaron, how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 11: Good mate?

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Speaker 6: Hell are you very good? What's your view on this?

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Speaker 13: Well, back in the late nineties, after I minded to apprenticeship,

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Speaker 5: Get back here.

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Speaker 13: I mean, the pay was incredible back then in the

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Speaker 13: I was probably on about five times the amount of

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Speaker 14: And you're right.

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Speaker 13: I came back here, I furthered my studies and I

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Speaker 5: And people have.

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Speaker 13: Got to realize that Australia's got what ever country you

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Speaker 13: there's more that well maybe those people that do go ofseas,

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Speaker 13: I mean, I'm not I've got nothing against them. I

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Speaker 15: But for me.

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Speaker 13: Anyway, I couldn't wait to get back home. I just couldn't.

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Speaker 2: I just tell you how much, I must tell you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 13: I'm as a place where you could jump in your car,

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Speaker 5: New Zealand is still pretty.

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Speaker 14: Rather offably safe.

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Speaker 13: I know all the news and stuff and everything else

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Speaker 13: you read paint asn't. But I think that depends on

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's a percempion thing?

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Speaker 6: Eron that?

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Speaker 3: A lot of young people are constantly told that if

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Speaker 3: And effectively, if you're young and skilled, you cannot get

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Speaker 6: Is that just a perception thing? And we need to

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Speaker 15: I think a lot of it is perception.

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Speaker 13: I mean, there's no doubt that I made a lot

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Speaker 13: want to torn side Tyler Tyler. I think Tyler's right.

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Speaker 13: You should just just sorry, mate, I'm really sorry. I

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Speaker 2: Back, yeah, I mean and come back if we're serious.

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Speaker 2: If it's absolutely huge problem for New Zealand, why do

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Speaker 2: What are we getting out of it as New Zealand

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Speaker 2: but you know, as we're saying, for the UK doesn't

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Speaker 13: So no, And I've worked in the UK before as well,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so let's shut it down, thank you very much.

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Speaker 16: Erin.

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Speaker 3: I mean it is it does feel sometimes that we're

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Speaker 3: need you guys. You guys are absolutely essential to what

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Speaker 2: But shut it down. Shut it down, the Trans Tasman

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Speaker 2: travel arrangement. Shut it if you care otherwise, just accept

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with Matt I eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: digital love to hear from you, or if you are

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Speaker 3: I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. It's twenty two past one, putting.

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Speaker 1: The question into the newspeakers the mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 17: Who reserving Governor gave us a lot to think about. Yes,

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Speaker 2: In Christian Hawksby's with us CA, we have.

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Speaker 7: Lowered interest rates a long way and it does take

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Speaker 15: Kind of see that in the effect.

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Speaker 2: Of mortgage rates they are going to come down mechanically,

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Speaker 15: In our projections, we have a recovery continuing.

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Speaker 17: Where is it You're seeing this recovery park, the farmers

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Speaker 4: Where is it?

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Speaker 5: It's not you know, this is the art of economics.

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Speaker 17: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: the rain drove of a LA News talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, June twenty five past one, and we

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Speaker 2: This Texas says, you should ask Christopher Luxen why he

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Speaker 6: It's a good point if he be a very good

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Speaker 2: Listen here, Kim and Kim. I'm not sure where they

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Speaker 2: call it. This person's calling us Kim and Kim. Instead

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Speaker 2: of restricting people's choice of freedom, how about you moved

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Speaker 2: Cheers David, Okay, I kind of get what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: I'm not quite confused. I was saying that if it's

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Speaker 2: But if it's such a big deal, there's a very

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Speaker 2: simple solution, isn't it that you just make Australia, like

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Speaker 2: to be fair, Australia gets to choose who can come

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Speaker 6: Oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 18: Hi, good after soon, guys, interesting comments, as I said

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Speaker 2: Home is where I came right and how's it been.

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Speaker 18: It's been an adjustment, to be honest. I was fortunate

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so with with your experience in mind, Sean,

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Speaker 18: I mean there are deffinitely bits I'm missed. I don't

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Speaker 18: a day driving to and from work, because when I

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Speaker 18: was in Melbourne, I had access to trains and trams

441
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Speaker 18: which took me out everywhere. So that's the main thing

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Speaker 18: I would say that I would miss, and of course

443
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Speaker 18: the people that you connect with. But being home Auckland

444
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Speaker 18: or New Zealand's home. It's been home for me for

445
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Speaker 18: twenty three years, so I'm happy to be here.

446
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And just on the question of you know, a

447
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Speaker 3: lot has been made in the past couple of years

448
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Speaker 3: about the brain drain, the renewed brain drain, and we're

449
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Speaker 3: losing our best and brightest and our most skilled. Do

450
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Speaker 3: you think that has overplayed a little bit that there

451
00:19:46,173 --> 00:19:49,253
Speaker 3: has always been a situation where young Kiwis want to

452
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Speaker 3: try and spread their wings and the likes of Australia.

453
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Speaker 19: I think there is a little bit of truth in

454
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Speaker 19: there with the brain drain. But at the same time,

455
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Speaker 19: I have a friend who moved over pre COVID who's

456
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Speaker 19: a qualified nurse and he basically got to Australia and

457
00:20:07,853 --> 00:20:14,693
Speaker 19: we've got a qualified, really good job or skilled person

458
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Speaker 19: and he was worked to the bone. He basically during

459
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Speaker 19: COVID came back to New Zealand and said, just because

460
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Speaker 19: he was a new person in the country, he was

461
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Speaker 19: put on shift work.

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Speaker 3: Things that I've lost you there, Sean, But think if

463
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Speaker 3: you call yeah very interesting, oh one hundred and eighty

464
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Speaker 3: ten eighty, can you get your thoughts on the supposed

465
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Speaker 3: brain drain?

466
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Speaker 6: Christ to relax and reckons. Our skilled Keiwis are flying.

467
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Speaker 3: The coop and heading to Australia because of poor productivity,

468
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Speaker 3: healthcare and security.

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Speaker 6: But Matt, you reckon, I reckon so much the problem.

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Well what I reckon is that people are

471
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Speaker 2: always going to go to Australia because it's a bigger

472
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Speaker 2: flasher and some people will have a grass's greener perspective

473
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Speaker 2: on life. Yeah, the same reason why I move from

474
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Speaker 2: Dunedin to Auckland.

475
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Speaker 20: Right.

476
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Speaker 2: I love Dunedin, but I love an Aklan because there's

477
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Speaker 2: more opptunity. It's always going to happen. We've got to

478
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Speaker 2: stop eviscerating ourselves about it. And if it's such a

479
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Speaker 2: big deal, then why don't we shut down the trans

480
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Speaker 2: Tasment travel arrangement and stop that happening? What are we

481
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Speaker 2: getting out of that here in New Zealand? And look

482
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Speaker 2: for you people that's saying that I want to I'm

483
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Speaker 2: trying to restrict people. I don't have the power to

484
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Speaker 2: do it. I'm just I'm just throwing up a thought,

485
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Speaker 2: a thought experiment. Hey, speaking of thought experiments, well, actually

486
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Speaker 2: maybe brain teasers. How many New Zealand born people live

487
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Speaker 2: in Australia ooh nine two? How many New Zealand people

488
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Speaker 2: live in New Zealand born people live in Australia right now.

489
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Speaker 3: Yep, seen through your guesses. But we'll tell you that answer.

490
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Speaker 3: Will Matt will tell you that answer. I don't actually know,

491
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Speaker 3: but that's coming up very shortly. It is twenty nine

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Speaker 3: to two.

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Speaker 21: US Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxies, it's

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Speaker 21: Trump's administration with a US Trade Court ruling blocking his

496
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497
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Speaker 21: going through Congress. It's found almost all the tariffs were

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Speaker 21: illegal and unconstitutional. Meanwhile, Trump appoint Elon Muskers posted on

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Speaker 21: x saying his time leading the controversial Department of Government

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Speaker 21: with another seventy two donating tissue like cornea's heart, valves

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512
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Speaker 21: to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: The promised I want a great songful? Is there any

514
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Speaker 2: more New Zealander lyric of all time than when you

515
00:23:23,213 --> 00:23:26,973
Speaker 2: went to Australia? I said, I would come up. That's

516
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Speaker 2: a fantastic song by m Beth.

517
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Speaker 3: That is a lovely song and yeah, bang on what

518
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Speaker 3: we're talking about now? Young Kiwee's going to Australia promising

519
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Speaker 3: that they will return and a lot of them done

520
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Speaker 3: at The Prime Minister this morning said that productivity, poor productivity,

521
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Speaker 3: poor healthcare and poor security is causing a lot of

522
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Speaker 3: our skilled and best and brightest leaving these shores for

523
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Speaker 3: the likes of Australia.

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Speaker 2: Before the break, I asked how many New Zealand born

525
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Speaker 2: people live in Australia. Lots of guesses here A million,

526
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Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty thousand. This person says million, a million,

527
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Speaker 2: a million, a million, three hundred, six hundred and eighteen thousand. Well,

528
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Speaker 2: the total is as that text has said, six hundred

529
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Speaker 2: and eighteen thousand.

530
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Speaker 3: Far.

531
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Speaker 2: Sorry it's not it's sorry now that's adding two numbers together. Sorry,

532
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Speaker 2: it's five hundred and ninety eight thousand New Zealand born

533
00:24:14,293 --> 00:24:17,093
Speaker 2: people living in Australia. Five hundred and ninety eight thousand

534
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Speaker 2: New Zealand born living in Australia.

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Speaker 6: That's a hell of a lot of kiwis you know.

536
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Speaker 2: That's a lot.

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Speaker 6: That's the population of christ Dutch Nelson combined.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: number to call. Love to your thoughts on this. Some

541
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Speaker 3: great techs coming through on nine to nine two. Hey,

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Speaker 3: Jent's great topic.

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Speaker 2: I'm on Siri, so I apologize if some of this

544
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Speaker 2: comes out a little bit confusing. I'm one of the

545
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Speaker 2: ten or so Australians that live in New Zealand. I've

546
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Speaker 2: been here for about ten years and I have to

547
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Speaker 2: say I actually really enjoy it. See when people say, actually,

548
00:24:46,013 --> 00:24:47,973
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, this show is actually pretty good today,

549
00:24:48,733 --> 00:24:52,413
Speaker 2: that's what my girlfriend says to me. So I actually

550
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Speaker 2: really enjoy it. I think it's great when you want

551
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Speaker 2: experience in a bigger place when you're young and you

552
00:24:57,533 --> 00:24:59,773
Speaker 2: need to find opportunities and stuff like that. But to

553
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Speaker 2: go to Australia just for the cost of living, I

554
00:25:01,893 --> 00:25:06,253
Speaker 2: think it's a bit of a bit fluffy, says this person.

555
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Speaker 2: So thank you for that. And you're Siri, we're wealth.

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Speaker 6: We yep nailed it, Anne, Very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 22: Yeah. Look, and I went to Australia for twenty years

558
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Speaker 22: and I did do far better in the job than

559
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Speaker 22: I could have done here. But I came back because

560
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Speaker 22: my parents weren't coping. My son was twelve when we

561
00:25:24,813 --> 00:25:29,693
Speaker 22: came back and him being a teenager and Havelock North

562
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Speaker 22: was far healthier for him and he turned out a

563
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Speaker 22: much better person than he would have been being a

564
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Speaker 22: teenager in Sydney. New Zealand is a fantastic place to

565
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Speaker 22: bring up kids, and I think a lot of people

566
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Speaker 22: that go overseas do actually come back when it's time

567
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Speaker 22: to bring up kids. The other thing is the Brisbane's

568
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Speaker 22: economy there. Housing they've got a massive housing shortage and

569
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Speaker 22: Brisbane and there's a charity there. I believe they're supported

570
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Speaker 22: by the Queencident government. That's paying for New Zealanders to

571
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Speaker 22: come back to New Zealand. They've got massive tent cities

572
00:26:06,253 --> 00:26:09,333
Speaker 22: there and they've even got people that have jobs that

573
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Speaker 22: can't afford accommodation because the rents are just so high.

574
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Speaker 3: Well I did see that story and that was the

575
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Speaker 3: gold Coach charity that was offering.

576
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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's the ABC. So it's a reasonable paper to read,

577
00:26:23,813 --> 00:26:26,133
Speaker 12: the left wing, but it's reasonable you could believe it.

578
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Speaker 12: The other thing is I've still got really good friends

579
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Speaker 12: in Sydney and their kids are in their thirties and

580
00:26:34,293 --> 00:26:38,493
Speaker 12: they're struggling far more than my son is here financially.

581
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. Everyone thinks the grass is

582
00:26:40,973 --> 00:26:42,213
Speaker 2: green and you go over there. I mean, it's the fact.

583
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Speaker 2: That's why they're saying the grass is green. The grass

584
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Speaker 2: is always green over there exists as are saying, Yeah,

585
00:26:47,253 --> 00:26:50,013
Speaker 2: hey guys, what Luckson is saying is rubbish. I've got

586
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Speaker 2: four kids all living in Queensland, Australia, left for two reasons,

587
00:26:52,853 --> 00:26:55,413
Speaker 2: money and weather end of it, along with all their

588
00:26:55,453 --> 00:26:57,973
Speaker 2: mates are over there and can't see them coming back

589
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Speaker 2: anytime soon. Cheers Mecca. Yeah, I mean that's another thing,

590
00:27:01,373 --> 00:27:05,133
Speaker 2: isn't it. Yeah, it's very hard to compete. It doesn't

591
00:27:05,173 --> 00:27:08,812
Speaker 2: matter what you do. You know, Luxon's talking about what

592
00:27:08,893 --> 00:27:14,453
Speaker 2: was it safety, Kenny healthcare. It's very hard to compete

593
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Speaker 2: with Queensland's weather.

594
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Speaker 3: Beautiful weather, a lot of sun times over there, crazy

595
00:27:19,213 --> 00:27:21,933
Speaker 3: good weather. It is Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

596
00:27:22,013 --> 00:27:23,653
Speaker 3: is the number to call love to you your thoughts

597
00:27:23,653 --> 00:27:24,053
Speaker 3: on this?

598
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Speaker 6: It is twenty to two bag for you.

599
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Speaker 1: Surely have a chat with the lads on eight hundred

600
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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons news talks.

601
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Speaker 4: That'd be Matt.

602
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Speaker 2: The grass is only greener in Australia because they have

603
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Speaker 2: to keep watering it otherwise from my experience of all

604
00:27:41,653 --> 00:27:46,333
Speaker 2: brown red like their roof tiles. That's an interesting one.

605
00:27:46,373 --> 00:27:49,693
Speaker 2: Another tips here, Hey guys with Tipatti, Mary Greens and labor,

606
00:27:49,733 --> 00:27:52,133
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you move to Ossie all the price rises

607
00:27:52,173 --> 00:27:55,013
Speaker 2: in New Zealand You need more income. We are on

608
00:27:55,053 --> 00:27:58,773
Speaker 2: a pension and rates five K plus insurance five point

609
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Speaker 2: five k. Our kids are an aussy and doing well. Kevin. Yeah,

610
00:28:01,933 --> 00:28:03,773
Speaker 2: but I mean, if you're going to move for politics

611
00:28:03,813 --> 00:28:06,533
Speaker 2: and you don't like Tipati Mary and the Greens and Labor.

612
00:28:06,693 --> 00:28:09,853
Speaker 2: Tell you what, look, just won the election over of

613
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Speaker 2: an Australia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean it's pretty feisty over there. Don't

615
00:28:12,893 --> 00:28:13,493
Speaker 3: you think it's.

616
00:28:13,493 --> 00:28:16,133
Speaker 2: Telling if people in Australia are complaining about the same

617
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Speaker 2: things here.

618
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Speaker 6: Exactly? Oh one hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number.

619
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Speaker 3: Call love to hear your thoughts. Wayne, you're an Aussie

620
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Speaker 3: living in New Zealand.

621
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Speaker 15: Yeah, don't tell too many people.

622
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Speaker 6: You're a good man.

623
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Speaker 2: You're not keeping a secret with your actual there buddy.

624
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Speaker 11: Oh oh what Yeah, I just wanted to say, yeah,

625
00:28:35,973 --> 00:28:38,733
Speaker 11: we moved here, well what ninety four, so thirty one

626
00:28:38,813 --> 00:28:42,173
Speaker 11: years ago, and you know we go back and so

627
00:28:42,253 --> 00:28:44,413
Speaker 11: on and so forth. You know, still got family over there.

628
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Speaker 11: But you know, most listening to a lot of your

629
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Speaker 11: callers there, they're saying that the grass isn't always greener,

630
00:28:50,173 --> 00:28:54,853
Speaker 11: and I've got to admit it's not. It's it's like,

631
00:28:55,533 --> 00:28:58,933
Speaker 11: you know, people don't people don't take into the equation,

632
00:28:59,333 --> 00:29:02,733
Speaker 11: like you know, just even simple things like registering your

633
00:29:02,733 --> 00:29:06,053
Speaker 11: car over there. You know, it's like fifteen hundred dollars

634
00:29:06,533 --> 00:29:08,573
Speaker 11: a year, you know, because you've got to have the

635
00:29:08,613 --> 00:29:12,453
Speaker 11: compulsory insurance. You know, people talk about the weather. You know,

636
00:29:13,253 --> 00:29:15,693
Speaker 11: at least I can have a barbecue on Saturday and

637
00:29:15,813 --> 00:29:17,933
Speaker 11: I know it's not going to rain. I mean to me,

638
00:29:18,053 --> 00:29:21,413
Speaker 11: that's not a good enough excuse people. You know, people

639
00:29:21,453 --> 00:29:24,453
Speaker 11: ask me all the time, you know, like oh, oh hey,

640
00:29:24,493 --> 00:29:26,373
Speaker 11: you know, like I want to I'm thinking about going

641
00:29:26,413 --> 00:29:27,573
Speaker 11: over to Australia. What do you think?

642
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Speaker 14: You know, they're my.

643
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Speaker 11: Age, like sixty class or fifty plas or whatever. I say,

644
00:29:31,853 --> 00:29:33,813
Speaker 11: don't do it. You know, it's it's you're going to

645
00:29:33,853 --> 00:29:35,893
Speaker 11: find it too hard. But young ones, you know, yes,

646
00:29:35,933 --> 00:29:38,413
Speaker 11: they can go over there. But I was just more

647
00:29:38,973 --> 00:29:41,493
Speaker 11: more curious to know as to how many are actually

648
00:29:41,493 --> 00:29:44,773
Speaker 11: coming back, you know, how many, how many actually Kiwis

649
00:29:44,813 --> 00:29:47,693
Speaker 11: are coming back home and after they're realizing how tough

650
00:29:47,733 --> 00:29:50,413
Speaker 11: it is. You know, we say that we've got government

651
00:29:50,493 --> 00:29:53,613
Speaker 11: problems here, you know, as you were just saying before Fellas,

652
00:29:53,653 --> 00:29:56,773
Speaker 11: you know, the government, you know, the government of the

653
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Speaker 11: government over there as well. Yeah.

654
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Speaker 2: Do you think because you see you're in you're in

655
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Speaker 2: a sorry, you're an Australian that's come to New Zealand,

656
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Speaker 2: do you think when you move to another country that

657
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Speaker 2: is a new country of both birth. You kind of

658
00:30:07,533 --> 00:30:10,213
Speaker 2: let go a lot of of a lot of things,

659
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Speaker 2: and you're not so angry about some things because you

660
00:30:12,853 --> 00:30:15,493
Speaker 2: don't feel as wronged by what's happening in your country

661
00:30:15,533 --> 00:30:18,533
Speaker 2: because you've moved somewhere. You just accept what it is.

662
00:30:18,693 --> 00:30:21,253
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a mindset of moving to another country,

663
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Speaker 2: because they often say that immigrants to countries do better

664
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Speaker 2: than the people that are that are there. Did you

665
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Speaker 2: find that that you came here and you let go

666
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Speaker 2: a lot of the anger that you might have had.

667
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, yeah, for sure, you know I could

668
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Speaker 11: I could agree with that to a certain point. You know,

669
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Speaker 11: like our daughter was four at the time, and you

670
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Speaker 11: know we put her into a public school down here

671
00:30:42,013 --> 00:30:45,253
Speaker 11: in Lala Hutte, and you know, we knew that there

672
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Speaker 11: was only going to be you know, this is back

673
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Speaker 11: in nineteen nineteen. You know, as I say, nineteen ninety four,

674
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Speaker 11: you know, we knew that there was only going to

675
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Speaker 11: be sixteen to eighteen sort of kids in a class.

676
00:30:53,693 --> 00:30:56,813
Speaker 11: You know, in Sydney where we were born, you know,

677
00:30:56,973 --> 00:31:00,093
Speaker 11: there's like plus fifty plus kids out in the suburb,

678
00:31:00,133 --> 00:31:03,333
Speaker 11: and you can't expect you can't expect a certain you know,

679
00:31:03,453 --> 00:31:05,773
Speaker 11: the kids to get a really good education, you know,

680
00:31:05,893 --> 00:31:08,613
Speaker 11: unless they unless you know, unless they can it up

681
00:31:08,653 --> 00:31:11,613
Speaker 11: the front and you know and sign on and so forth.

682
00:31:12,053 --> 00:31:13,333
Speaker 11: So yeah, maybe maybe.

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Speaker 23: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I mean people say we've got gang problems here. You've got.

685
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Speaker 2: I know, we're talking about the five oh ones coming

686
00:31:21,773 --> 00:31:24,373
Speaker 2: back here, and they're so much more hardcore because they've

687
00:31:24,373 --> 00:31:27,893
Speaker 2: grown up in the Australian gang environment. Jesus, the Victorian

688
00:31:27,973 --> 00:31:30,893
Speaker 2: gang environment is hard core, very hard core.

689
00:31:31,093 --> 00:31:35,173
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, it's in crazy. You know the

690
00:31:35,213 --> 00:31:38,493
Speaker 11: amount of probably we don't even hear about unless you news,

691
00:31:38,533 --> 00:31:41,413
Speaker 11: but you know the amount of gang land slighings and

692
00:31:41,453 --> 00:31:43,173
Speaker 11: things like that that are happening, you know.

693
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Speaker 2: Shop the vapor shot fires for example, exactly.

694
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Speaker 15: That's exactly right.

695
00:31:50,653 --> 00:31:50,973
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So I'm just curious, like, do we know any

697
00:31:54,293 --> 00:31:57,093
Speaker 11: sort of numbers of them? How many kiwis are coming back?

698
00:31:57,333 --> 00:31:59,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're looking at the net loss to Australia

699
00:31:59,773 --> 00:32:04,413
Speaker 2: being seventy thousand. Yeah, in the last year. We'll just

700
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Speaker 2: have to Tyler will rustle up some numbers for you.

701
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well we'll run the numbers and numbers for

703
00:32:09,773 --> 00:32:12,413
Speaker 3: your Wayne and and we'll mention what that is. I

704
00:32:12,413 --> 00:32:14,533
Speaker 3: mean the numbers I'm looking at right now are overall

705
00:32:14,573 --> 00:32:18,373
Speaker 3: migration numbers, so it has stabilized now. Thirty two thousand

706
00:32:18,573 --> 00:32:22,333
Speaker 3: left last month and thirty two thousand, five hundred came

707
00:32:22,373 --> 00:32:24,133
Speaker 3: into New Zealand. But of course that doesn't break it

708
00:32:24,173 --> 00:32:26,613
Speaker 3: down by country, so we'll break it down for your Wayne.

709
00:32:26,613 --> 00:32:29,093
Speaker 11: But all right, yeah, how.

710
00:32:28,733 --> 00:32:31,653
Speaker 2: Many are not many? I think you and a couple

711
00:32:31,693 --> 00:32:37,813
Speaker 2: of others stranger. Not a lot of Ozzi here, which

712
00:32:37,853 --> 00:32:40,973
Speaker 2: makes me suspicious of the transtasm and travel arrangements.

713
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Speaker 6: Thanks Wayne, that's our favorite Ozzie. Wayne. Oh, one hundred

714
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Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call love

715
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Speaker 6: to hear your thoughts.

716
00:32:49,253 --> 00:32:49,493
Speaker 4: Dean.

717
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Speaker 6: You've got a son over in Australia.

718
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Speaker 14: Hey, look, guys, thanks for the core. And look I'm

719
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Speaker 14: I'm an early gen X so I'm only five years

720
00:33:01,573 --> 00:33:05,653
Speaker 14: away from retirement, which is really scary. But you know,

721
00:33:05,893 --> 00:33:09,893
Speaker 14: we've worked hard to build. We are in New Zealand.

722
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Speaker 14: So I've got a son over there and he sees

723
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Speaker 14: an opportunity. He goes, Dad, bring over X y Z

724
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Speaker 14: thousands of dollars and I can build the saber, And

725
00:33:22,973 --> 00:33:28,253
Speaker 14: I said Hod on. I've built, all I've done in

726
00:33:28,253 --> 00:33:33,813
Speaker 14: my life and all I'm going to do is support Australia.

727
00:33:34,773 --> 00:33:40,093
Speaker 14: And it's what I haven't said it, But why don't

728
00:33:40,093 --> 00:33:42,213
Speaker 14: you go to the bank get the money over there.

729
00:33:42,573 --> 00:33:45,893
Speaker 14: It's too easy to get soft money from New Zealand

730
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Speaker 14: to support the kiwis over there to build their businesses.

731
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Speaker 14: We're not fail there's something that's concern about what's happening

732
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Speaker 14: with the desperrier that's going over there as my son

733
00:34:00,573 --> 00:34:05,453
Speaker 14: soft money gen x is. We've worked hard to build

734
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Speaker 14: our kiwi capability and all of a sudden he wants

735
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Speaker 14: to build from Australia.

736
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, good on you.

737
00:34:14,813 --> 00:34:17,292
Speaker 14: And that's the problem I've got.

738
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Speaker 11: Yeah, now.

739
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Speaker 14: I will give that money, but how many thousands of

740
00:34:24,773 --> 00:34:29,652
Speaker 14: New Zealand gen x's are going to do that into Australia.

741
00:34:29,813 --> 00:34:34,453
Speaker 14: It's like soft money into Australia from New Zealand.

742
00:34:34,933 --> 00:34:36,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hey, thank you so much for your called Dean.

743
00:34:36,853 --> 00:34:38,733
Speaker 2: That's a good point, isn't it. So he's made all

744
00:34:38,773 --> 00:34:40,813
Speaker 2: his money here, and you could argue that you know,

745
00:34:40,933 --> 00:34:43,732
Speaker 2: wider people that are educated in New Zealand go through

746
00:34:43,773 --> 00:34:45,413
Speaker 2: our public school system that all the rest of us

747
00:34:45,493 --> 00:34:48,413
Speaker 2: pay for and you know, subsidize at the university whatever

748
00:34:48,413 --> 00:34:50,573
Speaker 2: their training is or the healthkey. You are getting them

749
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Speaker 2: up to being working age and then they just nip

750
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Speaker 2: over to Australia. They've got the the trouble four going

751
00:34:56,093 --> 00:34:59,213
Speaker 2: the student loans. They're over there, and maybe we need

752
00:34:59,253 --> 00:35:01,933
Speaker 2: to start charging them. Yeah, we do a reciprocal deal

753
00:35:01,973 --> 00:35:05,293
Speaker 2: with Australia. If you're educated here and you move to Australia,

754
00:35:06,053 --> 00:35:09,053
Speaker 2: you get four years there, three year there, whatever it is,

755
00:35:09,093 --> 00:35:11,573
Speaker 2: and then you start having to pay back your education.

756
00:35:11,653 --> 00:35:15,253
Speaker 6: Yeah, you pay us for our skilled workers Australia ohipatred.

757
00:35:14,773 --> 00:35:17,413
Speaker 2: Every time you went to the dentleness we'll chuck it up.

758
00:35:17,493 --> 00:35:19,533
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the

759
00:35:19,613 --> 00:35:20,172
Speaker 6: number to call.

760
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Speaker 3: We're going to play some messages, but back with more

761
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Speaker 3: of your thoughts very shortly.

762
00:35:23,933 --> 00:35:24,893
Speaker 6: It is ten to two.

763
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Speaker 2: Only ten thousand, six hundred and seventy five came back

764
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Speaker 2: to New Zealand in the year up to March twenty

765
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Speaker 2: twenty four. That's from Scott.

766
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Speaker 6: Very good.

767
00:35:33,093 --> 00:35:35,253
Speaker 2: Scott, all right, that was that was Look, that was

768
00:35:35,293 --> 00:35:36,573
Speaker 2: your job was to get that stat and.

769
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Speaker 3: Say I'm halfway there. I'm on the stats website. So

770
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Speaker 3: I'm just going through the numbers. But thank you Scott

771
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Speaker 3: for rowing me out there.

772
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Speaker 2: Scott, you're doing doing Tyler's job for him.

773
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Speaker 6: Appreciate it, Matey.

774
00:35:44,173 --> 00:35:45,293
Speaker 2: We'll give you his wage.

775
00:35:46,293 --> 00:35:47,013
Speaker 4: Not much, not much.

776
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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

777
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler

778
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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons news Talks.

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Speaker 6: Be Brendan. Very good afternoon to you. Hello, Hello, Hey.

780
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Speaker 16: I think a lot of your listeners, they probably don't

781
00:36:08,173 --> 00:36:10,853
Speaker 16: just are of missing the point a few points there.

782
00:36:11,213 --> 00:36:14,573
Speaker 16: Christopher Luxon is correct in a lot of ways that

783
00:36:15,213 --> 00:36:18,293
Speaker 16: there are more Kiwis going going to Australia than New Zealand.

784
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Speaker 16: But I'll give you an experience for myself. I'm a

785
00:36:21,053 --> 00:36:23,773
Speaker 16: Canadian citizen. I moved to New Zealand about twenty five

786
00:36:23,893 --> 00:36:27,413
Speaker 16: years ago. And I look at both sides. You know,

787
00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:32,453
Speaker 16: my father being a Kiwi, he moved to Canada, and

788
00:36:33,173 --> 00:36:36,453
Speaker 16: we have a structural issue because all his Kiwi friends

789
00:36:36,453 --> 00:36:40,213
Speaker 16: that left New Zealand as a baby baby boomer. The

790
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Speaker 16: the taxation, Like you make a living overseas, you know,

791
00:36:44,133 --> 00:36:47,133
Speaker 16: you have family, you know you say for your retirement

792
00:36:47,133 --> 00:36:50,613
Speaker 16: and pensions and stuff. But the way New Zealand treats

793
00:36:51,173 --> 00:36:56,173
Speaker 16: returning expats is very different than than other countries. For example,

794
00:36:57,413 --> 00:36:59,973
Speaker 16: you know we have a Kiwi Saber fund here, whereas

795
00:37:00,013 --> 00:37:04,213
Speaker 16: if you earned a pension overseas, I r D treats

796
00:37:04,373 --> 00:37:08,333
Speaker 16: taxes and very different than than than those living abroad

797
00:37:08,493 --> 00:37:10,093
Speaker 16: like in Canada, Australia or.

798
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Speaker 14: Even the US.

799
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Speaker 16: So it's very discouraging for them to come back to

800
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Speaker 16: New Zealand. They have a sizeable.

801
00:37:17,093 --> 00:37:20,453
Speaker 21: Nest egge yeah right, yeah, okay.

802
00:37:20,493 --> 00:37:23,013
Speaker 14: And and this is this is rarely spoken about.

803
00:37:23,253 --> 00:37:26,893
Speaker 16: And on the opposite side, all those who have significant

804
00:37:26,893 --> 00:37:30,573
Speaker 16: assets in New Zealand moving to Australia. Let's say you

805
00:37:30,613 --> 00:37:33,773
Speaker 16: have houses, well, you know, we don't have capital gains

806
00:37:33,813 --> 00:37:36,893
Speaker 16: tax on basically your houses right here. But when you

807
00:37:37,013 --> 00:37:40,013
Speaker 16: move you also lose that right because if you live

808
00:37:40,053 --> 00:37:43,453
Speaker 16: in Australia, you're taxed on a world basis. So you

809
00:37:43,533 --> 00:37:46,813
Speaker 16: might have rental properties in New Zealand, those will not

810
00:37:47,053 --> 00:37:49,652
Speaker 16: will not have the tax free capital gain. They'll be

811
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Speaker 16: taxed by as a resident of Australian if you moved Australia.

812
00:37:54,973 --> 00:38:01,973
Speaker 16: Not many people talk about this. If you're young. When

813
00:38:01,973 --> 00:38:05,293
Speaker 16: you finish UNI, you know, you don't usually have these assets.

814
00:38:05,573 --> 00:38:06,453
Speaker 19: It doesn't matter.

815
00:38:06,813 --> 00:38:09,212
Speaker 16: So but when they you on my uncle. I got

816
00:38:09,213 --> 00:38:11,373
Speaker 16: an uncle live in the Gold Coast. He's been there

817
00:38:11,413 --> 00:38:15,493
Speaker 16: for forty years. You've got rental properties. There's just no way.

818
00:38:15,973 --> 00:38:17,933
Speaker 23: Yeah, he's going to come to Yeah.

819
00:38:18,173 --> 00:38:20,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you call Brennan, yeah.

820
00:38:20,333 --> 00:38:22,013
Speaker 3: I mean, clearly that is a big problem that if

821
00:38:22,013 --> 00:38:24,453
Speaker 3: someone does well overseas and they've got as sets.

822
00:38:24,093 --> 00:38:25,893
Speaker 2: Once you' once you've grown some roots.

823
00:38:25,973 --> 00:38:29,652
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Brendan, thank you very much. A couple of

824
00:38:29,653 --> 00:38:30,613
Speaker 3: techs to wrap.

825
00:38:30,333 --> 00:38:32,973
Speaker 2: This up poisonous jellyfish in the ocean and have to

826
00:38:32,973 --> 00:38:36,053
Speaker 2: wear a full body stinger suit crocs in the rivers. Yeah,

827
00:38:36,093 --> 00:38:39,453
Speaker 2: it sounds great. Not not going there's this Texter. Yeah,

828
00:38:39,533 --> 00:38:43,933
Speaker 2: I mean I just think where it's there's people are

829
00:38:43,933 --> 00:38:45,573
Speaker 2: always going to want to go to Australia. It's the

830
00:38:45,613 --> 00:38:48,613
Speaker 2: bigger grass is greener, it's just there. It's so easy

831
00:38:48,653 --> 00:38:53,853
Speaker 2: to get there, and we have the Trans Tasman Traveler Agreement.

832
00:38:54,093 --> 00:38:55,933
Speaker 2: So we just stopped beating ourselves up about it and

833
00:38:55,973 --> 00:38:57,773
Speaker 2: just accept it and try and make our country as

834
00:38:57,773 --> 00:39:00,172
Speaker 2: good as it can be. But it doesn't make us

835
00:39:00,253 --> 00:39:02,213
Speaker 2: lesser just because some people want to go to Australia.

836
00:39:02,213 --> 00:39:03,973
Speaker 2: It doesn't make duned And lesser because I moved to

837
00:39:04,013 --> 00:39:06,413
Speaker 2: Auckland exactly. It doesn't make New Zealand lesser because some

838
00:39:06,413 --> 00:39:08,693
Speaker 2: people move to Australia. Let's just do a good, damn

839
00:39:08,773 --> 00:39:11,893
Speaker 2: goddamn best to make New Zealand awesome and some people

840
00:39:11,973 --> 00:39:14,693
Speaker 2: will come back and some people will go. It's gonna

841
00:39:14,693 --> 00:39:14,893
Speaker 2: be all.

842
00:39:14,853 --> 00:39:15,933
Speaker 6: Right, nicely said.

843
00:39:15,933 --> 00:39:17,493
Speaker 3: They do want you back in Duneda, and I think

844
00:39:17,493 --> 00:39:19,053
Speaker 3: they they love you down there.

845
00:39:19,453 --> 00:39:20,933
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm going back this weekend.

846
00:39:21,333 --> 00:39:23,333
Speaker 3: It right, That is where will leave it. That was

847
00:39:23,373 --> 00:39:25,933
Speaker 3: a great discussion, Thank you very much. Coming up after

848
00:39:26,013 --> 00:39:30,693
Speaker 3: two o'clock this obsession with clean eating. It's called orthorexia.

849
00:39:30,733 --> 00:39:34,493
Speaker 3: We're going to chat about that and have a interview

850
00:39:34,573 --> 00:39:37,172
Speaker 3: Nicki Bizand who wrote the article. She is a nutritionist,

851
00:39:37,213 --> 00:39:39,813
Speaker 3: but it is a new fad and concerning for a

852
00:39:39,853 --> 00:39:41,613
Speaker 3: lot of doctors. We're going to open up the phone

853
00:39:41,613 --> 00:39:42,573
Speaker 3: line shortly.

854
00:39:44,293 --> 00:39:46,053
Speaker 4: Talking with you all afternoon.

855
00:39:46,373 --> 00:39:49,933
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

856
00:39:49,973 --> 00:39:50,253
Speaker 4: It'd be.

857
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Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the programs. Are

858
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Speaker 3: program six past two. So it's been called orthorexia, concerning

859
00:39:58,653 --> 00:40:02,853
Speaker 3: disorder that's been fed by social media influencers and obsession

860
00:40:03,093 --> 00:40:05,373
Speaker 3: over what we eat. Nicky bizands as a food writer,

861
00:40:05,573 --> 00:40:08,933
Speaker 3: author nutrition expert. She has pinned a very good and

862
00:40:09,053 --> 00:40:11,453
Speaker 3: very sobering article in the New Zealand Listener on this

863
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Speaker 3: and she joins us Now, Nikki, very good afternoon to you.

864
00:40:16,333 --> 00:40:16,493
Speaker 11: Hi.

865
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Speaker 2: What is orthorexia.

866
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Speaker 24: Well, it's a form of disordered eating. It is not

867
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Speaker 24: technically an eating disorder, although it's not technically recognized as

868
00:40:27,693 --> 00:40:30,213
Speaker 24: an eating disorder, although many of the experts in this

869
00:40:30,333 --> 00:40:33,893
Speaker 24: area are saying that it really is an eating disorder

870
00:40:33,893 --> 00:40:37,213
Speaker 24: in its own right now, and it's really around an

871
00:40:37,253 --> 00:40:44,453
Speaker 24: obsession with eating right, eating clean, eating everything perfectly. So

872
00:40:44,493 --> 00:40:48,212
Speaker 24: it's a very interesting one and quite you know, something

873
00:40:48,213 --> 00:40:50,293
Speaker 24: that we're seeing more and more, especially with social media.

874
00:40:50,813 --> 00:40:53,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, and do we have stats on how many Kiwis

875
00:40:53,173 --> 00:40:56,373
Speaker 2: are exhibiting orthorexia?

876
00:40:56,573 --> 00:40:56,652
Speaker 13: Have?

877
00:40:56,893 --> 00:41:00,652
Speaker 24: No, we don't have sex at this point. It hasn't

878
00:41:00,693 --> 00:41:03,733
Speaker 24: really been measured because again it's not an official eating

879
00:41:03,773 --> 00:41:08,213
Speaker 24: disorder yet, but it's probably somewhere in the range of similar,

880
00:41:08,453 --> 00:41:10,653
Speaker 24: be similar to anorexia, which is which is around I

881
00:41:10,693 --> 00:41:14,133
Speaker 24: think it's around four percent of the population, so it's

882
00:41:14,493 --> 00:41:15,853
Speaker 24: it's small but significant.

883
00:41:16,013 --> 00:41:18,413
Speaker 2: So how is it different from yoyo dieting that that's

884
00:41:18,493 --> 00:41:19,573
Speaker 2: existed for a while.

885
00:41:20,693 --> 00:41:23,693
Speaker 24: Yeah, well, I mean some of the characteristics of orthorexia

886
00:41:24,053 --> 00:41:26,613
Speaker 24: can can pop up in people who are dieting, and

887
00:41:26,693 --> 00:41:30,053
Speaker 24: certainly a lot of if you see, you know, a

888
00:41:30,053 --> 00:41:34,493
Speaker 24: lot of diet influences and promoters of diet will use

889
00:41:35,813 --> 00:41:40,213
Speaker 24: elements of orthorexic kind of thinking in their in their diet.

890
00:41:41,013 --> 00:41:46,013
Speaker 24: But the driver of this is really to be doing

891
00:41:46,053 --> 00:41:49,293
Speaker 24: everything perfectly in terms of what you're eating. And it's

892
00:41:49,333 --> 00:41:52,853
Speaker 24: not really driven by a desire to lose weight right

893
00:41:53,093 --> 00:41:55,533
Speaker 24: to look a certain way. It's actually driven by this

894
00:41:55,693 --> 00:41:57,773
Speaker 24: idea that I have to be perfect, that I have

895
00:41:57,853 --> 00:41:59,093
Speaker 24: to be doing everything clean.

896
00:41:59,733 --> 00:42:03,252
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so these people people are essentially being manipulated

897
00:42:03,293 --> 00:42:08,093
Speaker 2: by social media influencers and people posting stuff for and

898
00:42:08,133 --> 00:42:10,493
Speaker 2: gayagement and the next thing and the next thing and

899
00:42:10,533 --> 00:42:12,733
Speaker 2: the next thing of what you need to do. Is

900
00:42:12,973 --> 00:42:16,212
Speaker 2: is that what's really pushing this at this you know,

901
00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:17,252
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five.

902
00:42:18,173 --> 00:42:20,333
Speaker 24: Well, I think it's not that it's necessarily being driven

903
00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:23,293
Speaker 24: by social media, but it's it's being enhanced by social media.

904
00:42:23,333 --> 00:42:24,853
Speaker 23: So people have got this.

905
00:42:24,653 --> 00:42:28,733
Speaker 24: Tendency inside them, so and it's becoming its restricting their life.

906
00:42:29,013 --> 00:42:31,732
Speaker 24: So it's becoming something that's impairing the ability to live

907
00:42:31,733 --> 00:42:34,613
Speaker 24: a normal life. And what they're seeing, what they're engaging

908
00:42:34,653 --> 00:42:37,652
Speaker 24: with on social media, and so then the social media

909
00:42:37,693 --> 00:42:40,013
Speaker 24: algorithms are feeding them more and more of this stuff

910
00:42:40,373 --> 00:42:44,013
Speaker 24: is really making it worse. So it's it's really it's

911
00:42:44,013 --> 00:42:47,933
Speaker 24: something that I think social media can really ramp up

912
00:42:48,333 --> 00:42:49,973
Speaker 24: if it's already happening to you. And that's true of

913
00:42:50,013 --> 00:42:50,853
Speaker 24: all this and disorders.

914
00:42:50,853 --> 00:42:53,253
Speaker 3: Actually does this include And I've got people like this

915
00:42:53,333 --> 00:42:54,853
Speaker 3: in my life, Nick, you know, I imagine a lot of

916
00:42:54,853 --> 00:42:57,733
Speaker 3: people listening do as well. Where there is a health concern,

917
00:42:57,813 --> 00:43:00,692
Speaker 3: whatever that may be. It may be anxiety, it may

918
00:43:00,693 --> 00:43:03,973
Speaker 3: be another health concern that they someone just cannot get

919
00:43:04,013 --> 00:43:06,013
Speaker 3: on top of, and then they are told via social

920
00:43:06,013 --> 00:43:08,173
Speaker 3: media or whatever it is, that this is there's a

921
00:43:08,173 --> 00:43:10,333
Speaker 3: new product that is going to help you with that,

922
00:43:10,453 --> 00:43:13,893
Speaker 3: and they zero in on that, and that potentially can

923
00:43:14,013 --> 00:43:17,013
Speaker 3: cause issues if they get too obsessed with that particular product.

924
00:43:17,973 --> 00:43:20,453
Speaker 24: Yeah, definitely. And I have talked to people for this

925
00:43:20,773 --> 00:43:23,533
Speaker 24: story who have started and started for them like that

926
00:43:23,933 --> 00:43:27,773
Speaker 24: trying to solve a health issue, maybe not getting so

927
00:43:27,893 --> 00:43:33,133
Speaker 24: much resolution from traditional medicine or you know, from regular medicine,

928
00:43:33,133 --> 00:43:36,213
Speaker 24: and then you know, latching on to a diet plan

929
00:43:36,333 --> 00:43:39,053
Speaker 24: that claims to be able to solve this issue for them,

930
00:43:39,053 --> 00:43:41,693
Speaker 24: and then just becoming more and more obsessed. That's definitely

931
00:43:41,693 --> 00:43:43,613
Speaker 24: a pathway into autho ex here. I think.

932
00:43:44,533 --> 00:43:47,293
Speaker 2: Now, I'm just we've always got to go back steps

933
00:43:47,293 --> 00:43:48,813
Speaker 2: here because of course we've read the article. It's a

934
00:43:48,853 --> 00:43:51,653
Speaker 2: fantastic article. But what is just to move back a step,

935
00:43:51,693 --> 00:43:53,333
Speaker 2: what is clean eating? A bunch of people on the

936
00:43:53,333 --> 00:43:55,773
Speaker 2: text machine, a texting through asking that what actually is

937
00:43:55,813 --> 00:43:56,373
Speaker 2: clean eating?

938
00:43:57,773 --> 00:44:00,573
Speaker 24: Well, it's really around. I mean, it can mean different

939
00:44:00,613 --> 00:44:05,373
Speaker 24: things for different people. It's really, you know, a kind

940
00:44:05,373 --> 00:44:08,533
Speaker 24: of extreme version of health eating if you like, you know,

941
00:44:08,333 --> 00:44:10,813
Speaker 24: we know what healthy eating eating and eating a balanced

942
00:44:10,853 --> 00:44:13,773
Speaker 24: diet and wide variety of food. People who are interested

943
00:44:13,813 --> 00:44:16,893
Speaker 24: in clean eating will be usually eliminating a lot of

944
00:44:16,933 --> 00:44:19,413
Speaker 24: foods or a lot of food groups from their diet

945
00:44:19,693 --> 00:44:23,093
Speaker 24: because of the perception that they have that there's something

946
00:44:24,013 --> 00:44:26,613
Speaker 24: you know, unhealthy about that food or that food group.

947
00:44:27,093 --> 00:44:29,652
Speaker 24: So I'm sure we all know people who don't eat

948
00:44:29,773 --> 00:44:32,613
Speaker 24: certain foods. You know, they might not eat gluten, or

949
00:44:32,613 --> 00:44:35,293
Speaker 24: they might not eat white flour, or they might not

950
00:44:35,493 --> 00:44:38,013
Speaker 24: eat meat. You know, there's all kinds of aspects to

951
00:44:38,053 --> 00:44:40,373
Speaker 24: it or different elements of it. So clean eating can

952
00:44:40,413 --> 00:44:41,692
Speaker 24: incorporate a lot of that kind of thing.

953
00:44:42,053 --> 00:44:45,373
Speaker 2: And what are the dangers? How does it manifest itself

954
00:44:45,413 --> 00:44:46,053
Speaker 2: as a problem.

955
00:44:47,373 --> 00:44:53,533
Speaker 24: Well, the dangers are it can impair someone's life, like

956
00:44:53,613 --> 00:45:00,133
Speaker 24: other eating disorders, and so it can lead to you know, anxiety, depression,

957
00:45:00,893 --> 00:45:05,093
Speaker 24: social isolation when it starts to impact on hell because

958
00:45:05,093 --> 00:45:09,413
Speaker 24: you're eliminating so many different foods right lead to malnutrition,

959
00:45:09,973 --> 00:45:12,933
Speaker 24: It can lead to other medical problems, and severe weight

960
00:45:12,933 --> 00:45:14,652
Speaker 24: loss can be one of them, and you know, even

961
00:45:14,653 --> 00:45:19,692
Speaker 24: things like organ damage. So it is potentially dangerous. It's

962
00:45:19,693 --> 00:45:23,853
Speaker 24: a psychological condition that has got you know, physical impacts

963
00:45:23,933 --> 00:45:25,053
Speaker 24: like other eating disorders.

964
00:45:25,173 --> 00:45:28,013
Speaker 2: It's also annoying if you're trying to spend time with

965
00:45:28,053 --> 00:45:30,813
Speaker 2: people like this. Is it time to start shaming people

966
00:45:30,813 --> 00:45:32,733
Speaker 2: for this? In the end, aren't they just annoying fussy

967
00:45:32,773 --> 00:45:35,493
Speaker 2: eaters and we tell kids off for this kind of

968
00:45:35,573 --> 00:45:37,053
Speaker 2: fussy eating behavior?

969
00:45:38,333 --> 00:45:41,013
Speaker 24: Well, I mean it's probably shaming is probably not the

970
00:45:41,053 --> 00:45:43,413
Speaker 24: right thing to do in this case. It is a disorder.

971
00:45:43,853 --> 00:45:48,133
Speaker 24: So probably shaming someone is only going to make them

972
00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:50,933
Speaker 24: become more isolated and turn away from you. I guess

973
00:45:51,733 --> 00:45:53,893
Speaker 24: probably there's there is a difference between the someone who's

974
00:45:53,973 --> 00:45:56,133
Speaker 24: just a fussy eater and someone who has a disorder

975
00:45:56,813 --> 00:45:59,053
Speaker 24: that they're not really in control of, you know, Like

976
00:45:59,133 --> 00:46:00,973
Speaker 24: they can start out being in control, and maybe they

977
00:46:00,973 --> 00:46:03,173
Speaker 24: do start out as just being fussy, and then it

978
00:46:03,173 --> 00:46:06,253
Speaker 24: can progress down a path where they really have lost control.

979
00:46:06,493 --> 00:46:08,373
Speaker 2: But if it's like their disorder, if it's like the

980
00:46:08,413 --> 00:46:11,652
Speaker 2: henth thing that they've come up with, because you know,

981
00:46:11,733 --> 00:46:13,573
Speaker 2: if you're like me, I always believe the last thing

982
00:46:13,573 --> 00:46:15,293
Speaker 2: I've read on you know, and something comes up on

983
00:46:15,293 --> 00:46:17,413
Speaker 2: social media and you believe it and then you tell

984
00:46:17,413 --> 00:46:19,853
Speaker 2: people about it. And so if it's the tenth thing

985
00:46:19,893 --> 00:46:22,013
Speaker 2: that someone has said, now I'm not eating this because

986
00:46:22,013 --> 00:46:24,173
Speaker 2: of this, and now I'm not eating this because it's this,

987
00:46:25,253 --> 00:46:28,613
Speaker 2: Shaming might not be the right word, but is should

988
00:46:28,613 --> 00:46:31,333
Speaker 2: we push back and say, come on this three weeks

989
00:46:31,333 --> 00:46:33,453
Speaker 2: ago it was this, and now it was this, Come on,

990
00:46:33,693 --> 00:46:37,652
Speaker 2: just have something to eat. It's okay, it's fine, just

991
00:46:37,733 --> 00:46:40,293
Speaker 2: let yourself off the hot let's go. You're making things

992
00:46:40,333 --> 00:46:43,213
Speaker 2: difficult for yourself. You're stressing yourself out with this clean,

993
00:46:43,613 --> 00:46:46,373
Speaker 2: clean eating. Let's just go for it. Eat like, eat

994
00:46:46,373 --> 00:46:47,413
Speaker 2: what's in front of you. Let's go.

995
00:46:48,733 --> 00:46:50,813
Speaker 24: Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that there's a lot

996
00:46:50,853 --> 00:46:55,813
Speaker 24: of disordered or orthorexic kind of thinking amongst people who

997
00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:58,373
Speaker 24: aren't who don't necessarily have eating disorders. Right, So we

998
00:46:58,453 --> 00:47:00,093
Speaker 24: see this and you probably see this in your friend

999
00:47:00,093 --> 00:47:02,333
Speaker 24: groups too, where people do get kind of a bit

1000
00:47:02,853 --> 00:47:07,613
Speaker 24: fixated on particular ways of eating or diets or whatever.

1001
00:47:07,653 --> 00:47:11,133
Speaker 24: And there is room in our normal conversation for that

1002
00:47:11,453 --> 00:47:14,013
Speaker 24: for that kind of conversation to be a little bit

1003
00:47:14,293 --> 00:47:17,653
Speaker 24: challenged because because diet, I mean, it's a whole other conversation.

1004
00:47:17,733 --> 00:47:22,333
Speaker 24: But diets are nonsense. All diets, you know, any kind

1005
00:47:22,333 --> 00:47:26,133
Speaker 24: of restriction in the way that you're eating is is

1006
00:47:26,253 --> 00:47:28,853
Speaker 24: just a marketing thing, and it's really not. They're not

1007
00:47:28,853 --> 00:47:32,053
Speaker 24: designed to make us healthy. They're designed to make people money,

1008
00:47:32,213 --> 00:47:35,213
Speaker 24: people who are promoted it promoting the diet. So so

1009
00:47:35,493 --> 00:47:37,853
Speaker 24: you know, any kind of diet thinking, I'm always up

1010
00:47:37,853 --> 00:47:38,613
Speaker 24: for a challenge on that.

1011
00:47:39,573 --> 00:47:41,213
Speaker 3: I mean, is that part of it, Nikki, that a

1012
00:47:41,293 --> 00:47:45,053
Speaker 3: nutrition just seems so confusing and it's it hasn't got

1013
00:47:45,053 --> 00:47:47,853
Speaker 3: any less confusing that. You know, one week it's okay

1014
00:47:47,893 --> 00:47:49,853
Speaker 3: to eat butter, then it's not okay to eat butter.

1015
00:47:49,893 --> 00:47:52,413
Speaker 3: Then olive oils in vogue, and then there's something else.

1016
00:47:52,493 --> 00:47:54,773
Speaker 3: But eggs are bad for you, potatoes are bad for you.

1017
00:47:54,853 --> 00:47:58,173
Speaker 3: Kumera is back in. There's just so much misinformation or

1018
00:47:58,733 --> 00:48:01,933
Speaker 3: weird information coming through. Clearly social media is to play,

1019
00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:04,373
Speaker 3: but should there not be kind of a central hub

1020
00:48:04,413 --> 00:48:08,692
Speaker 3: where people can just get straight up easy information on

1021
00:48:08,733 --> 00:48:10,733
Speaker 3: what is going to be good for you and what

1022
00:48:10,973 --> 00:48:12,853
Speaker 3: is just a bit of nonsense and you probably shouldn't

1023
00:48:12,853 --> 00:48:13,733
Speaker 3: go down that route.

1024
00:48:14,453 --> 00:48:17,933
Speaker 24: Yeah, I mean, we actually all know what the answer is.

1025
00:48:18,253 --> 00:48:20,893
Speaker 24: We know what's healthy. And I mean I have been

1026
00:48:20,973 --> 00:48:23,413
Speaker 24: running that food for like twenty years or more and

1027
00:48:23,533 --> 00:48:25,293
Speaker 24: diets and I have seen it all. I've seen it

1028
00:48:25,293 --> 00:48:27,732
Speaker 24: all come and go. Honestly, things come around and gout

1029
00:48:27,773 --> 00:48:30,212
Speaker 24: and go around, and diets come and go, and they're

1030
00:48:30,213 --> 00:48:31,893
Speaker 24: all pretty much the same thing dressed up in a

1031
00:48:31,893 --> 00:48:35,613
Speaker 24: different and a different, you know, disguise or a different

1032
00:48:35,893 --> 00:48:38,933
Speaker 24: there's good different spokesperson, but it's usually the same. And so,

1033
00:48:39,053 --> 00:48:41,453
Speaker 24: but we know what is healthy. We know that we

1034
00:48:41,493 --> 00:48:44,893
Speaker 24: should eat a wide variety of food. We know that

1035
00:48:44,933 --> 00:48:48,013
Speaker 24: we should eat mostly whole foods, fresh foods, you know,

1036
00:48:48,093 --> 00:48:51,333
Speaker 24: lots of plants, not too much processed food, not too

1037
00:48:51,413 --> 00:48:54,493
Speaker 24: much you know, sugar or fat or salt. We know

1038
00:48:54,573 --> 00:48:57,613
Speaker 24: that stuff. But it's just that we get very distracted

1039
00:48:57,813 --> 00:49:00,053
Speaker 24: by all of these people on social media telling us, no,

1040
00:49:00,173 --> 00:49:01,613
Speaker 24: I've got the answer, you should eat this and not

1041
00:49:01,653 --> 00:49:04,373
Speaker 24: eat that. Yeah, but I actually think that in our

1042
00:49:04,413 --> 00:49:06,053
Speaker 24: heart we know what's good for us.

1043
00:49:06,133 --> 00:49:08,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nikki, great to chat with you, think you very

1044
00:49:08,733 --> 00:49:12,853
Speaker 3: much and we'll catch up again soon. That is Nicky Bozant,

1045
00:49:12,893 --> 00:49:15,652
Speaker 3: food writer, author and nutrition expert. You can ever read

1046
00:49:15,693 --> 00:49:17,933
Speaker 3: of that article on the New Zealand here a website

1047
00:49:17,933 --> 00:49:19,093
Speaker 3: and also in the listener.

1048
00:49:19,093 --> 00:49:20,173
Speaker 2: But can you get your thoughts on this?

1049
00:49:20,213 --> 00:49:21,693
Speaker 6: So eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1050
00:49:21,533 --> 00:49:24,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, are we stressing ourselves out too much about what

1051
00:49:24,173 --> 00:49:26,533
Speaker 2: we eat? Should we just stop following these losers on

1052
00:49:26,533 --> 00:49:28,413
Speaker 2: social media that tell us to eat and just eat

1053
00:49:28,453 --> 00:49:31,453
Speaker 2: what we know is healthy? And should we be putting

1054
00:49:31,493 --> 00:49:33,653
Speaker 2: up at hand when someone's come up with their tenth

1055
00:49:33,813 --> 00:49:37,893
Speaker 2: crazy new plan and just saying come on, come on,

1056
00:49:38,173 --> 00:49:40,252
Speaker 2: because there's the way they do it. I'll talk about

1057
00:49:40,293 --> 00:49:42,933
Speaker 2: this next. But there's the way people preach at you

1058
00:49:43,133 --> 00:49:45,333
Speaker 2: about the latest thing you should be doing that annoys

1059
00:49:45,373 --> 00:49:45,973
Speaker 2: the hell out of me.

1060
00:49:46,053 --> 00:49:48,373
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

1061
00:49:48,453 --> 00:49:50,613
Speaker 3: really keen to hear from you? It is sixteen past two.

1062
00:49:51,213 --> 00:49:55,773
Speaker 1: Wow your home of Afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

1063
00:49:55,853 --> 00:49:59,893
Speaker 1: afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

1064
00:49:59,693 --> 00:49:59,773
Speaker 20: Be.

1065
00:50:01,773 --> 00:50:05,413
Speaker 3: Afternoon, It is nineteen past two. So are you sick

1066
00:50:05,453 --> 00:50:08,093
Speaker 3: of people are trying to tell you what to eat?

1067
00:50:09,053 --> 00:50:09,652
Speaker 2: Effectively?

1068
00:50:09,693 --> 00:50:13,013
Speaker 6: That's what it comes down to, right.

1069
00:50:11,933 --> 00:50:13,853
Speaker 2: I mean, are you sick of people in your life

1070
00:50:13,853 --> 00:50:16,493
Speaker 2: with their stupid, ever changing diets that they've just heard

1071
00:50:16,493 --> 00:50:19,293
Speaker 2: about on social media? You know, we've got this saying

1072
00:50:19,293 --> 00:50:24,293
Speaker 2: here orthorexia, whatever that means. But is it just you know,

1073
00:50:24,413 --> 00:50:26,292
Speaker 2: like last night, my partner caught me eating a packet

1074
00:50:26,293 --> 00:50:28,733
Speaker 2: of chips, right yeah, And so I actually caught myself

1075
00:50:28,733 --> 00:50:30,773
Speaker 2: sneaking upstairs to have a packet of chips, and I

1076
00:50:30,813 --> 00:50:32,133
Speaker 2: felt bad and I did it, and nordally it made

1077
00:50:32,133 --> 00:50:34,213
Speaker 2: them actually taste delicious because I knew it. And then

1078
00:50:34,533 --> 00:50:37,053
Speaker 2: you just thought, who cares? Just do we need to

1079
00:50:37,173 --> 00:50:39,373
Speaker 2: just shell the hell out of diet because for all

1080
00:50:39,373 --> 00:50:41,573
Speaker 2: the talking about diets and all the social media fairs

1081
00:50:41,613 --> 00:50:43,693
Speaker 2: and everything that people are doing and every people are saying.

1082
00:50:43,813 --> 00:50:45,333
Speaker 2: When if you go out for dinner, there's someone's saying

1083
00:50:45,333 --> 00:50:47,333
Speaker 2: they won't eat. There someone wait eating that. People aren't

1084
00:50:47,333 --> 00:50:48,413
Speaker 2: getting any thinner, are they?

1085
00:50:48,453 --> 00:50:48,613
Speaker 11: No?

1086
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Speaker 2: And people aren't getting any healthier from it.

1087
00:50:50,453 --> 00:50:52,653
Speaker 3: And the stress you're causing yourself and the blood pressure

1088
00:50:52,653 --> 00:50:55,013
Speaker 3: and the quartersol levels. I mean, clearly that's bad for you.

1089
00:50:55,573 --> 00:50:57,813
Speaker 6: Oh it. One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1090
00:50:57,813 --> 00:50:58,093
Speaker 6: to call.

1091
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Speaker 2: Tim, Welcome to the show.

1092
00:51:00,533 --> 00:51:01,493
Speaker 5: Get our gentlemen.

1093
00:51:01,533 --> 00:51:01,893
Speaker 11: How are you?

1094
00:51:01,973 --> 00:51:02,172
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1095
00:51:02,253 --> 00:51:03,613
Speaker 6: Very good? What's your thoughts?

1096
00:51:04,133 --> 00:51:08,013
Speaker 5: Okay, so my thoughts now, I don't know who mad

1097
00:51:08,093 --> 00:51:10,973
Speaker 5: or to And I know there was the tongan cheek

1098
00:51:10,973 --> 00:51:15,333
Speaker 5: about shaming people out for their various choices week to

1099
00:51:15,373 --> 00:51:18,253
Speaker 5: week on eating. I'm not sure which one of the

1100
00:51:18,413 --> 00:51:19,613
Speaker 5: he was now.

1101
00:51:19,613 --> 00:51:23,053
Speaker 2: There was people, Yeah.

1102
00:51:22,253 --> 00:51:24,813
Speaker 5: Yeah, cool. Well you sort of weirded it differently. But

1103
00:51:25,213 --> 00:51:27,733
Speaker 5: I'm not so sensitive about that. You know, I'm a

1104
00:51:27,773 --> 00:51:33,013
Speaker 5: regular caller, so you know, I'm opinionated. I would I

1105
00:51:33,053 --> 00:51:42,013
Speaker 5: would tread lightly though myself around critiquing somebody on what

1106
00:51:42,173 --> 00:51:48,333
Speaker 5: they're eating, just because if it was annoying me. What

1107
00:51:48,493 --> 00:51:52,093
Speaker 5: someone else was eating or annoying, I would be looking

1108
00:51:52,133 --> 00:51:56,573
Speaker 5: at myself rather than then, you know, because and I'm

1109
00:51:56,573 --> 00:51:58,973
Speaker 5: the first one to point things out the people. But

1110
00:52:00,093 --> 00:52:02,893
Speaker 5: there are a lot of people with underlying medical conditions

1111
00:52:03,493 --> 00:52:06,652
Speaker 5: who will try all sorts of remedies, people with auto

1112
00:52:06,893 --> 00:52:15,813
Speaker 5: mean conditions, which apparently can be improved greatly by going

1113
00:52:15,853 --> 00:52:18,453
Speaker 5: down certain food eating choice.

1114
00:52:18,773 --> 00:52:20,773
Speaker 2: But I guess what we're talking about here is more

1115
00:52:20,813 --> 00:52:24,173
Speaker 2: the people that are on social media and they're constantly

1116
00:52:24,213 --> 00:52:27,533
Speaker 2: reading from these influences who have reason to do it.

1117
00:52:27,573 --> 00:52:30,213
Speaker 2: They're making money, they're getting engagement by coming up with

1118
00:52:30,253 --> 00:52:32,773
Speaker 2: these more and more extreme things. And so you you know,

1119
00:52:32,813 --> 00:52:34,733
Speaker 2: a lot of people have people in their life that

1120
00:52:34,813 --> 00:52:37,013
Speaker 2: have always got their latest thing they're doing. They've always

1121
00:52:37,013 --> 00:52:39,413
Speaker 2: got their latest fad, their latest thing they've read. You

1122
00:52:39,453 --> 00:52:41,293
Speaker 2: can't eat that, you can't eat that, you can't eat that,

1123
00:52:41,573 --> 00:52:45,973
Speaker 2: and they're stressing themselves out about it. Really, what I'm

1124
00:52:45,973 --> 00:52:48,732
Speaker 2: saying with shaming them, is it worth saying to them,

1125
00:52:49,133 --> 00:52:51,652
Speaker 2: come on, you're always doing this, You're just going for

1126
00:52:51,693 --> 00:52:54,013
Speaker 2: the last thing you've read. You're making your life so

1127
00:52:54,093 --> 00:52:57,373
Speaker 2: much more confident than complicated when it should be. And

1128
00:52:57,413 --> 00:53:00,173
Speaker 2: notwithstanding what you're saying, tim people that have serious issues

1129
00:53:00,213 --> 00:53:01,933
Speaker 2: that can't you know, there are people that are actually

1130
00:53:01,933 --> 00:53:06,853
Speaker 2: gluten intolerant and etc. Not those people, but you know,

1131
00:53:07,293 --> 00:53:09,693
Speaker 2: helping people out by saying, just let it go. We

1132
00:53:09,853 --> 00:53:12,493
Speaker 2: know what the healthy foods are, their whole foods.

1133
00:53:12,733 --> 00:53:16,413
Speaker 5: Sure understand where you're coming from, I really do. And

1134
00:53:16,813 --> 00:53:18,973
Speaker 5: you know, it's a saying that people are so invested

1135
00:53:19,053 --> 00:53:22,973
Speaker 5: in social media they allow themselves to be guided to

1136
00:53:23,053 --> 00:53:26,813
Speaker 5: that degree, you know, and maybe they're coming from it

1137
00:53:26,893 --> 00:53:29,732
Speaker 5: from a good point of view, but the person that's

1138
00:53:29,773 --> 00:53:33,053
Speaker 5: shilling that information second hand, like you say, it's an

1139
00:53:33,053 --> 00:53:38,013
Speaker 5: influencer and that they you know, they need to you know,

1140
00:53:38,253 --> 00:53:42,093
Speaker 5: critical thinking is invaluable in these situations where you know,

1141
00:53:42,493 --> 00:53:45,373
Speaker 5: you take someone's point of view, but particularly if you're

1142
00:53:45,373 --> 00:53:48,533
Speaker 5: going to try like an eating plan or sendything that's

1143
00:53:48,533 --> 00:53:49,893
Speaker 5: going into you. But do you want to do a

1144
00:53:49,973 --> 00:53:54,973
Speaker 5: bit more research before you just blindly accept something you

1145
00:53:55,013 --> 00:53:57,893
Speaker 5: saw on the internet is absolutely accurate? You know?

1146
00:53:58,053 --> 00:54:00,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that those things are so convincing because

1147
00:54:00,453 --> 00:54:03,093
Speaker 2: I get convinced by things all the time. They're so

1148
00:54:03,173 --> 00:54:06,773
Speaker 2: convincing and you go, oh that's the truth, and then

1149
00:54:06,893 --> 00:54:08,093
Speaker 2: you then it's.

1150
00:54:08,093 --> 00:54:09,893
Speaker 3: Then if someone told me, it said, Tyler, you know,

1151
00:54:10,013 --> 00:54:11,773
Speaker 3: just look into that. I don't know actually if that's

1152
00:54:11,813 --> 00:54:13,333
Speaker 3: going to do what you think it's going to do.

1153
00:54:13,493 --> 00:54:16,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then done, Krueger. If you don't know a

1154
00:54:16,093 --> 00:54:18,212
Speaker 2: lot about an issue, you believe it can you can

1155
00:54:18,333 --> 00:54:20,573
Speaker 2: you can feel like you've solved the whole problem. But

1156
00:54:20,613 --> 00:54:23,093
Speaker 2: you're exactly right. I mean, maybe that's the way you

1157
00:54:23,133 --> 00:54:26,293
Speaker 2: push back. And are you sure or is that just

1158
00:54:26,493 --> 00:54:30,693
Speaker 2: a social media post from someone that's trying to get engagement,

1159
00:54:30,773 --> 00:54:32,933
Speaker 2: you know, just pushing back on people like that when

1160
00:54:32,973 --> 00:54:34,773
Speaker 2: they sit down to a meal with you and say

1161
00:54:34,773 --> 00:54:36,652
Speaker 2: they're not eating this, they're not eating that. You know,

1162
00:54:36,693 --> 00:54:37,093
Speaker 2: maybe just.

1163
00:54:37,093 --> 00:54:41,573
Speaker 5: Question back to what you were saying about making them aware.

1164
00:54:41,813 --> 00:54:44,173
Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, I can see that's it's not

1165
00:54:44,213 --> 00:54:47,053
Speaker 5: a bad thing. And I didn't just through believe it

1166
00:54:47,093 --> 00:54:50,613
Speaker 5: was not a handful thing to do. But yeah, I

1167
00:54:50,653 --> 00:54:53,213
Speaker 5: know you've cheered me around like a gentle If you

1168
00:54:53,253 --> 00:54:59,533
Speaker 5: see someone over and over and over, yeah, just thrashing themselves,

1169
00:54:59,573 --> 00:55:02,172
Speaker 5: that's a that's a head problem.

1170
00:55:02,693 --> 00:55:04,293
Speaker 6: Love, you know, it comes from a place of love,

1171
00:55:04,333 --> 00:55:05,253
Speaker 6: that that sort of shaming.

1172
00:55:05,333 --> 00:55:07,933
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, all right. I won't take more time, but

1173
00:55:08,373 --> 00:55:09,653
Speaker 5: we ended up in the same spot.

1174
00:55:09,733 --> 00:55:11,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a great chat. Thanks so much for

1175
00:55:11,173 --> 00:55:13,573
Speaker 2: your call, Tim, You call it any time. Always enjoy

1176
00:55:13,613 --> 00:55:14,013
Speaker 2: your calls.

1177
00:55:14,093 --> 00:55:14,333
Speaker 13: Tim.

1178
00:55:14,893 --> 00:55:17,732
Speaker 2: Labeling people as are mentally unwell for choosing to eat

1179
00:55:17,773 --> 00:55:20,893
Speaker 2: healthily healthy food is ludicrous. It's the experts who came

1180
00:55:20,973 --> 00:55:25,533
Speaker 2: up with the bears who have the psychological issues. Next,

1181
00:55:25,573 --> 00:55:27,733
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical companies will want to sell a pill for this

1182
00:55:27,893 --> 00:55:28,653
Speaker 2: to make money.

1183
00:55:29,013 --> 00:55:33,333
Speaker 6: Yeah, everything in moderation, lads. That's from Kivy.

1184
00:55:33,933 --> 00:55:37,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, spot on um. And here is the simple answer,

1185
00:55:37,333 --> 00:55:40,453
Speaker 3: get off social media. I mean, but that's why it's

1186
00:55:40,453 --> 00:55:42,933
Speaker 3: a hard line, right, is that there's been an obsession

1187
00:55:42,933 --> 00:55:46,413
Speaker 3: with wellness, no doubt about it, over the last eighteen months, actually,

1188
00:55:46,493 --> 00:55:49,693
Speaker 3: since the origin of social media, we've had most of

1189
00:55:49,773 --> 00:55:52,053
Speaker 3: us in obsession with being well and healthy. And there's

1190
00:55:52,093 --> 00:55:55,613
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with that. But that line between obsession and

1191
00:55:55,653 --> 00:55:58,893
Speaker 3: craziness and going down these rabbit holes versus just eating healthy,

1192
00:55:59,213 --> 00:56:02,293
Speaker 3: exercising and doing the normal things, that can be a

1193
00:56:02,293 --> 00:56:03,692
Speaker 3: hard line to find for a lot of people.

1194
00:56:03,853 --> 00:56:06,493
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you ask yourself, the people that follow each

1195
00:56:06,693 --> 00:56:10,253
Speaker 2: of the next fads and constantly coming at you with

1196
00:56:10,293 --> 00:56:12,813
Speaker 2: a new thing, are they the most healthy and well

1197
00:56:12,853 --> 00:56:13,493
Speaker 2: balanced people?

1198
00:56:13,493 --> 00:56:16,253
Speaker 6: You know, no, Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten

1199
00:56:16,293 --> 00:56:18,213
Speaker 6: eighty is a number to call. Twenty five pus too.

1200
00:56:22,013 --> 00:56:25,373
Speaker 1: Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1201
00:56:25,453 --> 00:56:27,613
Speaker 1: eighty eight on used talk ZV.

1202
00:56:27,733 --> 00:56:32,133
Speaker 3: Afternoon and we are discussing the obsession over wellness. There

1203
00:56:32,173 --> 00:56:35,333
Speaker 3: has been a term for a disorder that people who

1204
00:56:35,373 --> 00:56:38,373
Speaker 3: go too far into the wellness side of things, an

1205
00:56:38,413 --> 00:56:42,133
Speaker 3: obsession with clean eating. It's called authoryxia. But Kenny, of

1206
00:56:42,213 --> 00:56:45,093
Speaker 3: your thoughts about the influence of social media when it

1207
00:56:45,133 --> 00:56:47,413
Speaker 3: comes to all these wellness fans and trends.

1208
00:56:47,733 --> 00:56:49,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I moost have kids. When my kids

1209
00:56:49,733 --> 00:56:51,733
Speaker 2: were little, kids would come around to my house for

1210
00:56:51,733 --> 00:56:54,453
Speaker 2: dinner and they'd go, I don't eat that. We don't

1211
00:56:54,453 --> 00:56:56,813
Speaker 2: eat that at my house. And I always say, cool story,

1212
00:56:57,053 --> 00:56:59,053
Speaker 2: yeah this is, and then just serve the same food.

1213
00:57:00,333 --> 00:57:02,253
Speaker 2: Is that, you know, it's a cool story. What you eat.

1214
00:57:02,253 --> 00:57:04,053
Speaker 2: It's so interesting to hear what people eat and what

1215
00:57:04,093 --> 00:57:05,413
Speaker 2: they won't eat and what they don't eat.

1216
00:57:05,493 --> 00:57:07,053
Speaker 3: You know, that was I mean, there was no such

1217
00:57:07,093 --> 00:57:10,212
Speaker 3: thing as fussy cad. It's fussy eating kids that long ago.

1218
00:57:10,333 --> 00:57:12,573
Speaker 3: Is that if you didn't want to eat your broccoli,

1219
00:57:12,613 --> 00:57:14,413
Speaker 3: well then you don't get any food. You've got to

1220
00:57:14,453 --> 00:57:16,533
Speaker 3: be a hungry and very soon you're coming back down

1221
00:57:16,533 --> 00:57:17,213
Speaker 3: to the kitchen.

1222
00:57:16,973 --> 00:57:19,813
Speaker 2: And eating in the end, Aren't they just annoying fussy eaters?

1223
00:57:19,893 --> 00:57:23,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, I one hundred eighty ten eighty A couple of

1224
00:57:23,173 --> 00:57:24,013
Speaker 3: ticks to the headlines.

1225
00:57:24,093 --> 00:57:26,573
Speaker 2: Ah, are you sure you too are not just justifying

1226
00:57:26,573 --> 00:57:28,373
Speaker 2: your position of eating rubbish? From Sandra?

1227
00:57:28,493 --> 00:57:30,133
Speaker 6: That's a good point, very good points.

1228
00:57:30,253 --> 00:57:33,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like you, I've had to look every now

1229
00:57:33,253 --> 00:57:35,293
Speaker 3: and again. I have Kentucky fried chicken. I've made it

1230
00:57:35,333 --> 00:57:38,053
Speaker 3: well aware that I love it. But when I feel

1231
00:57:38,093 --> 00:57:40,213
Speaker 3: I need to park in the in the car park

1232
00:57:40,253 --> 00:57:43,493
Speaker 3: and just eat my little chicken box and then dispose

1233
00:57:43,533 --> 00:57:45,893
Speaker 3: of the evidence without telling my partner, I mean, who's

1234
00:57:45,893 --> 00:57:47,293
Speaker 3: the one with the problem? Is that me or my

1235
00:57:47,333 --> 00:57:49,053
Speaker 3: partner has got the problem at that point that I

1236
00:57:49,053 --> 00:57:50,693
Speaker 3: feel I need to hide it, And I pushed.

1237
00:57:50,453 --> 00:57:52,733
Speaker 2: Back on Sandra. Maybe the point I'm trying to make

1238
00:57:52,853 --> 00:57:55,173
Speaker 2: is no one should have to justify what they're eating,

1239
00:57:55,653 --> 00:57:58,813
Speaker 2: and no one should be preaching because I guess the things,

1240
00:57:58,813 --> 00:58:00,453
Speaker 2: I don't really care what anyone sits down and eats

1241
00:58:00,453 --> 00:58:02,133
Speaker 2: around me. I I don't care, but it's just if

1242
00:58:02,213 --> 00:58:04,293
Speaker 2: you have to hear about it constantly. No, I'm not

1243
00:58:04,333 --> 00:58:06,653
Speaker 2: eating that. You shouldn't eat that. I've just read this

1244
00:58:06,653 --> 00:58:09,213
Speaker 2: thing with that's not good for you. You study says

1245
00:58:09,293 --> 00:58:12,293
Speaker 2: that's bad. That thing's terrible for your gut. BYO, go

1246
00:58:12,453 --> 00:58:14,413
Speaker 2: move away from that. That's and it's just it's this,

1247
00:58:14,733 --> 00:58:19,093
Speaker 2: this incessant and so maybe authorexia is not the right

1248
00:58:19,333 --> 00:58:21,013
Speaker 2: thing to be talking about here. It's not really what

1249
00:58:21,053 --> 00:58:24,413
Speaker 2: I mean. It's just this constant obsession with what you're eating,

1250
00:58:24,453 --> 00:58:30,093
Speaker 2: to the point of distraction and stress and overthinking when really,

1251
00:58:30,493 --> 00:58:33,773
Speaker 2: as as as Nikki said on the phone before, we

1252
00:58:33,853 --> 00:58:35,493
Speaker 2: all know what we're supposed to eat.

1253
00:58:36,093 --> 00:58:38,173
Speaker 3: You know, just let me eat my white pasta. I'm

1254
00:58:38,253 --> 00:58:40,533
Speaker 3: enjoying my macaroni and cheese, and I don't need you

1255
00:58:40,573 --> 00:58:42,693
Speaker 3: in my ears saying that carbohydrates are going to kill you.

1256
00:58:42,773 --> 00:58:44,453
Speaker 2: Well, that's exact opposite point and what I was trying

1257
00:58:44,453 --> 00:58:47,213
Speaker 2: to say. But fair enough, I'm not going to judge

1258
00:58:47,253 --> 00:58:49,133
Speaker 2: you on what you thank you, but we all know

1259
00:58:49,533 --> 00:58:50,973
Speaker 2: you eat that if you want. But we all know

1260
00:58:51,013 --> 00:58:55,373
Speaker 2: we're supposed to be eating vegetables and some protein. That's

1261
00:58:55,173 --> 00:58:55,773
Speaker 2: that's all.

1262
00:58:56,173 --> 00:58:56,613
Speaker 4: We all know.

1263
00:58:56,733 --> 00:58:58,733
Speaker 2: That making it way too complicated.

1264
00:58:58,773 --> 00:59:00,133
Speaker 6: Oh, eight hundred and eighty eight.

1265
00:59:00,213 --> 00:59:02,573
Speaker 3: We're going to pick this back up after the headlines

1266
00:59:02,613 --> 00:59:03,853
Speaker 3: with Raylene, which is coming up.

1267
00:59:07,493 --> 00:59:11,253
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1270
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1287
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, ray Lean and we are talking

1288
01:00:31,373 --> 01:00:35,533
Speaker 3: about obsession with healthy eating clean eating? Is it just

1289
01:00:35,573 --> 01:00:37,573
Speaker 3: a little bit too complicated? I think most of us

1290
01:00:37,613 --> 01:00:40,213
Speaker 3: do understand what are good foods and what are bad foods,

1291
01:00:40,853 --> 01:00:42,973
Speaker 3: but social media certainly plays a part right.

1292
01:00:42,853 --> 01:00:44,653
Speaker 2: This Texas says, it cracks me up that you two

1293
01:00:44,733 --> 01:00:47,893
Speaker 2: think that you should get your nutritional information from social media.

1294
01:00:47,973 --> 01:00:50,213
Speaker 2: Quite strange when you think about it. That's exactly the

1295
01:00:50,213 --> 01:00:52,453
Speaker 2: opposite of what we say. We're saying that you shouldn't

1296
01:00:52,453 --> 01:00:56,213
Speaker 2: be getting your your information about eating from social media

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Speaker 2: and that it's unduly stressing people out because they go

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Speaker 2: online and someone's manipulating you to get your click, to

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Speaker 2: get your view, to get your your attention so they

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01:01:07,853 --> 01:01:10,693
Speaker 2: can make more. They monetize it by coming up with

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Speaker 2: more and more extreme ideas on dietary situations when we

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Speaker 2: all know what you're actually supposed to eat. And my

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Speaker 2: sedestion here is that we should push back on people

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01:01:19,573 --> 01:01:21,453
Speaker 2: that are sitting down and you're sitting down to eat,

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01:01:21,693 --> 01:01:23,453
Speaker 2: and they go, can't eat that anymore. It's bad for

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01:01:23,453 --> 01:01:26,093
Speaker 2: your gut by them, and it's like no vegetables and

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01:01:26,133 --> 01:01:28,453
Speaker 2: a bit of protein. We know what to eat. Sometimes

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01:01:28,453 --> 01:01:30,133
Speaker 2: we move away from it. Sometimes we get up in

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01:01:30,133 --> 01:01:31,253
Speaker 2: the middle of the night and have a pack of

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Speaker 2: the chips. We don't need to be told off for it.

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Speaker 2: As someone saying to me, this whole hour of chat

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Speaker 2: is just because Matt's better because he got told off

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Speaker 2: for eating some chips last night. That could be true.

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Speaker 6: I think they could be very fair, actually very fair.

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Speaker 2: It could be some truth.

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Speaker 6: Oh one hundred and eighty eighty is another to call,

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Speaker 6: hey you Helen, good day, How are you very good?

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Speaker 6: What's your view on this?

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Speaker 25: Two sides of it? Yes, starting there's a lot of

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Speaker 25: it that's just as fair and realistically, give it five

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01:02:01,413 --> 01:02:05,053
Speaker 25: minutes and it'll be gone. But externally to that, I

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01:02:05,173 --> 01:02:08,013
Speaker 25: meaned on the sod map diet over fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 25: what's that.

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01:02:09,413 --> 01:02:11,533
Speaker 2: What's the what's the how does that work?

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01:02:11,573 --> 01:02:14,053
Speaker 25: The fod map diet, it's f O d M a

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Speaker 25: p all to do with ibs and all that lovely

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Speaker 25: lady stuff. But I went on that fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 25: and honestly, it changed my life. I went from not

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01:02:23,933 --> 01:02:27,053
Speaker 25: being able to hold a part time job so now

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Speaker 25: me and my husband own a business. It really did

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Speaker 25: make a difference. They call it a diet because it's

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Speaker 25: not one hundred It changes slightly for every person, but

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Speaker 25: it changed my life. But externally to that, definitely eat

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Speaker 25: what you want, go for gold. You only get to

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Speaker 25: live once.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to get my head around the fodmap.

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Speaker 2: So somebody to do with short chain carbohydrates and yeah,

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01:02:54,613 --> 01:02:55,413
Speaker 2: so how.

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Speaker 15: Do you you can?

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Speaker 25: And Carlie, so how do you.

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01:02:57,333 --> 01:02:59,333
Speaker 2: Live on the on the forodmap diet? What what what

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Speaker 2: do you eat? And what don't you eat?

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Speaker 25: I avoid honey, molasses, they are certainly and stone fruit

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01:03:07,333 --> 01:03:09,373
Speaker 25: is definitely ones that it sort of rack me up

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01:03:10,493 --> 01:03:13,973
Speaker 25: and make it so that I'm hospitalized. Honey will try

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01:03:14,013 --> 01:03:16,133
Speaker 25: and kill me. So that's always fun.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's interesting because all I've ever heard of my

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01:03:20,173 --> 01:03:22,813
Speaker 2: entire life is positive stuff about honey, Like it's the

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01:03:22,933 --> 01:03:25,693
Speaker 2: absolute super food. You rub it on your injuries and

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01:03:25,733 --> 01:03:27,893
Speaker 2: it solves you. You can you can eat a jar

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01:03:27,933 --> 01:03:30,213
Speaker 2: of honey that's been in an Egyptian pyramid and it's

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01:03:30,213 --> 01:03:34,053
Speaker 2: still good now, but it's bad in some regard. Is

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Speaker 2: it allan?

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Speaker 25: Well, that's the thing. I mean, if you look at

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Speaker 25: everything on the internet, if you want to pinpoint something,

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01:03:40,213 --> 01:03:44,213
Speaker 25: you'll always find something bad about it. As a country,

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01:03:44,253 --> 01:03:47,973
Speaker 25: we herow it because it's something we produce, and that's fantastic.

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Speaker 26: Absolutely.

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Speaker 25: If it works for you, go for gold. If it doesn't,

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Speaker 25: try and avoid it. And for me it doesn't work, Okay,

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01:03:55,973 --> 01:03:59,293
Speaker 25: the next person it works fantastic for your boots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And is it quite an easy food plan to follow?

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Speaker 25: I found it initially quite tricky because I said that

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01:04:08,813 --> 01:04:11,173
Speaker 25: I was able to eat everything as a kid. I

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01:04:11,293 --> 01:04:15,853
Speaker 25: ate everything. We were very traditionally brought up, so there

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01:04:15,893 --> 01:04:18,693
Speaker 25: was food in front of your edit or you get served.

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Speaker 15: It the next meal.

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Speaker 25: It was too bad, which is great. Yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 25: definitely huge life change. I certainly missed the central otago

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Speaker 25: stone fruit, but at the same time, I know it

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01:04:33,773 --> 01:04:35,853
Speaker 25: will hurt if I eat it, so there's no point

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Speaker 25: in eating it. Yeah, and you develop those allergies in time,

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Speaker 25: and you know, I was hoping to grow out of them.

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Speaker 25: But hey, I haven't, so it's one of those things.

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Speaker 2: So Helen, But is that the one thing you've done?

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01:04:50,213 --> 01:04:51,813
Speaker 2: So you said twelve years ago you jumped on the

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Speaker 2: FOD map, But that's that's worked for you, and that's

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Speaker 2: the one thing. So you're not really you're not. You're

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01:04:57,013 --> 01:04:58,973
Speaker 2: not like these people that we're complaining about that have

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Speaker 2: a new one every two weeks.

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Speaker 25: No, no bug at that.

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Speaker 2: That's thank you so much for your call, Helen. I

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01:05:06,813 --> 01:05:07,453
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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01:05:07,533 --> 01:05:10,293
Speaker 6: Yeah, eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:05:10,373 --> 01:05:13,053
Speaker 3: Text here a guys, I hate work colleagues asking what's

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Speaker 3: for lunch and what you did have for lunch and

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Speaker 3: noise the hell out of me.

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Speaker 6: Just let me eat what I want to eat.

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Speaker 2: And this one, I've been doing Carnival for four months.

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01:05:24,373 --> 01:05:26,533
Speaker 2: Was sick of being told I needed to spend thousands

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01:05:26,573 --> 01:05:28,773
Speaker 2: a year and supplements from social media have gone back

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01:05:28,813 --> 01:05:31,293
Speaker 2: to basics. It's cured my brain fog and anxiety and

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01:05:31,373 --> 01:05:33,973
Speaker 2: I've never felt better. I believe a lot of disease

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01:05:34,053 --> 01:05:36,453
Speaker 2: that we have created over the years with processed foods

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Speaker 2: and a big farmer could be almost cured with this

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01:05:39,293 --> 01:05:42,813
Speaker 2: lifestyle based on how our ancestors lived, So that's the

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Speaker 2: pure kind of carnival diet. I wonder if that's because

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01:05:45,173 --> 01:05:47,693
Speaker 2: some people go really hard and they only eat steak,

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Speaker 2: they only eat meat, but some people go for you know,

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01:05:52,293 --> 01:05:54,493
Speaker 2: meat and a bit of edge. But I think you

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01:05:54,573 --> 01:05:57,613
Speaker 2: definitely can't go wrong with meat and beg if you're

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01:05:57,653 --> 01:06:02,213
Speaker 2: eating every day, right, some bit of potatoes, get a

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01:06:02,213 --> 01:06:04,613
Speaker 2: bit of broccoli, yep, you got a bit of meat,

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01:06:04,813 --> 01:06:07,733
Speaker 2: but a bit a beautiful steak yeap, then you're don

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01:06:07,893 --> 01:06:09,013
Speaker 2: doing pretty good, right.

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Speaker 6: Meat and three vig Yeah, that's what our parents had.

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01:06:11,533 --> 01:06:13,053
Speaker 6: That's what my grandparents had, a.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, And then they'd have pikelots and they'd still.

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Speaker 6: Be all right, Oh yeah, so is it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, we don't do enough to zero the meat

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Speaker 2: and three vigt diet.

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Speaker 4: Yeap.

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Speaker 6: O eighty ten eighty is the number to call. I

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Speaker 6: love to hear your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 2: This This is a controversial text that I'll play out.

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Speaker 2: And I've also got some audio from a stand up

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Speaker 2: comedian Sean Locke on this key issue that I'll play next.

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Speaker 6: It is twenty to two three back in a mole.

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Speaker 2: Ha's the spicy text. Yeah, I'll read it out.

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Speaker 4: A fresh take on talk back.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons have your say on

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talks.

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Speaker 3: B seventeen to three. Great Evy Company are having a

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Speaker 3: great discussion about diet. Seeing a healthy food that we

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Speaker 3: should be eating.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like tall Poppy syndrome to me? Why bring those

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01:06:59,653 --> 01:07:02,173
Speaker 2: down that are only trying to do their best by themselves.

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Speaker 2: With the amount of diabetes in New Zealand, I think

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Speaker 2: a few people, more people could be aware that the

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Speaker 2: diet could be contributing, rather than just take the tablet

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Speaker 2: the doctor prescribed. Yeah, no doubt, there's people that just

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01:07:12,973 --> 01:07:16,013
Speaker 2: can eat healthily, and good on them. We're talking about

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01:07:16,213 --> 01:07:20,853
Speaker 2: a condition where you just absolutely obsessed with the latest

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01:07:20,853 --> 01:07:22,773
Speaker 2: diet that you've read on social media, where you're being

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01:07:22,813 --> 01:07:25,813
Speaker 2: played by the algorithm to believe the last thing that

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01:07:26,013 --> 01:07:29,213
Speaker 2: come through and you go you just cycle through crazy

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01:07:29,293 --> 01:07:32,013
Speaker 2: fad diet to crazy fad diet at all. That's not

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Speaker 2: I don't think that text understands what the tall Poppy

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Speaker 2: syndrome is. And if you go to someone and if

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01:07:38,973 --> 01:07:40,253
Speaker 2: you know you're sitting down to and go oh, I

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01:07:40,253 --> 01:07:42,613
Speaker 2: don't eat that, and you go why and they, oh,

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01:07:42,693 --> 01:07:44,573
Speaker 2: because have you seen this thing where you can't eat

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01:07:44,573 --> 01:07:47,813
Speaker 2: that now because of this? Yeah, there's nothing wrong with

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01:07:47,853 --> 01:07:51,893
Speaker 2: pushing back and going You always come up with these fads.

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01:07:52,173 --> 01:07:55,133
Speaker 2: You're always on social media looking at these things. Have

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01:07:55,213 --> 01:08:00,053
Speaker 2: you thought potentially that maybe you're stressing yourself out unduly

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01:08:00,373 --> 01:08:03,093
Speaker 2: when we actually all know what we're supposed to eat.

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01:08:03,053 --> 01:08:05,253
Speaker 3: Exactly, which is whole foods. Yeap, the are the ones

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01:08:05,293 --> 01:08:06,853
Speaker 3: we're going to push back on. Oh, one hundred and

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01:08:06,853 --> 01:08:11,973
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the to call Frank. What's your

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01:08:12,013 --> 01:08:15,053
Speaker 3: take on this clean eating obsession?

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01:08:16,013 --> 01:08:19,532
Speaker 27: Yeah, good afternoon, gentlemen. Yeah, a very interesting subject. And

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01:08:20,013 --> 01:08:25,253
Speaker 27: up the wise, there is one thing that we can

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01:08:25,333 --> 01:08:29,333
Speaker 27: do ice. When I was at college, I studied biology

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01:08:29,372 --> 01:08:32,932
Speaker 27: and physics, so I know a little bit and I

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01:08:32,973 --> 01:08:38,452
Speaker 27: was twenty one years My last occupation was looking after people.

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01:08:39,692 --> 01:08:45,372
Speaker 27: So the thing that we now very really here about

1459
01:08:45,452 --> 01:08:52,333
Speaker 27: this is pH pH is one to fourteen seven being neutral.

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Speaker 27: One to seven is apic acid and seven to fourteen

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01:08:56,492 --> 01:09:01,852
Speaker 27: is alkaline. And now you might if you're a gardener,

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01:09:02,053 --> 01:09:04,532
Speaker 27: there are some parts like in the garden where nothing

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01:09:04,572 --> 01:09:08,932
Speaker 27: will really grow. The bloody soil is just and why

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01:09:08,973 --> 01:09:12,013
Speaker 27: that is is because the pH is so low and

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01:09:12,053 --> 01:09:14,932
Speaker 27: you've got to add lime and so on to bring

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Speaker 27: up the pH. The pH in our own bodies is

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Speaker 27: around about the sweet spot is six point six, just

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Speaker 27: below the seven mark. And if you indulge in well

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Speaker 27: I shave your smoke, alcohol, eat process foods regularly, it

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Speaker 27: lowers your pH. It lowers it down. If it gets

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Speaker 27: around about below five, then you've got it's a prolifiation.

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Speaker 27: Then I've even get the bacteria, viruses, even get diabetes, cancers,

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01:09:54,532 --> 01:09:59,372
Speaker 27: ass writers, you name it, you get it. So you've

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Speaker 27: got to get that pH up around about six point six.

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01:10:02,893 --> 01:10:06,292
Speaker 27: And that I grow show orchids, and it's very important

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01:10:06,333 --> 01:10:10,093
Speaker 27: I keep my orchids that a good pH level. And

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Speaker 27: I know it sounds a bit, but it really, I'm

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01:10:13,933 --> 01:10:16,932
Speaker 27: really very I'm serious. I'm not preaching. Well I suppose

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01:10:16,973 --> 01:10:20,213
Speaker 27: i am, but I'm really serious about I check my

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01:10:20,293 --> 01:10:24,213
Speaker 27: pH every week and you can get little lit misticks

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01:10:24,652 --> 01:10:27,652
Speaker 27: from a chemist and it will show you what your

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01:10:27,812 --> 01:10:29,053
Speaker 27: what your pH is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well fair enough, Frank. I appreciate your

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01:10:32,532 --> 01:10:33,053
Speaker 3: thoughts on that.

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01:10:34,652 --> 01:10:37,093
Speaker 27: There is one thing that if to raise it, if

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01:10:37,093 --> 01:10:39,372
Speaker 27: it's low and on most people that will be low

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01:10:39,492 --> 01:10:44,372
Speaker 27: because it's our lifestyle. Apple Viniger's Apple side of vinegar

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Speaker 27: is the year is the thing to bring it back

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01:10:46,173 --> 01:10:48,013
Speaker 27: up right, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. When I was working at Donaldson's

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01:10:50,133 --> 01:10:54,492
Speaker 2: Dairy and I sorry, Donaldson's Nursery and Dunedin I got there,

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Speaker 2: which was were I got all the potting wrong. I

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01:10:56,973 --> 01:10:59,852
Speaker 2: got the acid wrong and you know, the pH wrong

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01:11:00,013 --> 01:11:02,372
Speaker 2: and the soil that I was potting some plants from

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01:11:02,572 --> 01:11:05,732
Speaker 2: mister Donaldson who was and I spent two days potting

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01:11:05,772 --> 01:11:09,572
Speaker 2: all these plants and Australians will it was the wrong

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01:11:09,612 --> 01:11:15,852
Speaker 2: soil and kill killed two thousands of thousands. Yeah, they

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01:11:15,853 --> 01:11:18,772
Speaker 2: don't like the wrong that. They don't like the wrong pH.

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Speaker 27: That's absolutely, very very essential.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well, thank you for.

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Speaker 3: You call Frank, Thank you very much. One hundred and

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01:11:25,572 --> 01:11:27,012
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty is the number to call.

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01:11:27,372 --> 01:11:29,532
Speaker 6: Charyl. How are you this afternoon?

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01:11:29,612 --> 01:11:33,973
Speaker 28: Hey guys, good? Thank you tell you what? So I

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01:11:34,372 --> 01:11:39,733
Speaker 28: agree that all of this fad and influencer lead dietary

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01:11:39,853 --> 01:11:44,612
Speaker 28: changes are frustrating, and they're frustrating for me because I'm

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01:11:44,652 --> 01:11:48,692
Speaker 28: a person who has a you know, some very serious

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01:11:49,293 --> 01:11:53,293
Speaker 28: health conditions that put a lot of foods off limits

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01:11:53,333 --> 01:11:57,412
Speaker 28: for me, and so I have to endure people rolling

1510
01:11:57,412 --> 01:11:59,333
Speaker 28: their eyes at me as if I'm, you know, just

1511
01:12:00,053 --> 01:12:03,333
Speaker 28: doing what what Instagram told me. When I've got, you know,

1512
01:12:03,492 --> 01:12:07,173
Speaker 28: really genuine medical reasons for having to having to ask

1513
01:12:07,293 --> 01:12:10,972
Speaker 28: for things to be modified, we're possible, and it makes

1514
01:12:11,013 --> 01:12:14,652
Speaker 28: it it makes it makes me feel self conscious that

1515
01:12:14,812 --> 01:12:18,732
Speaker 28: having to do it, and you know, and then feeling

1516
01:12:18,853 --> 01:12:22,692
Speaker 28: like I have to, you know, divulge my personal medical

1517
01:12:23,093 --> 01:12:25,612
Speaker 28: information so that I'm not looked at like it.

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01:12:26,053 --> 01:12:30,212
Speaker 2: But if you do that and it's just a quiet

1519
01:12:30,213 --> 01:12:32,532
Speaker 2: word and it's a consistent thing because it is a

1520
01:12:32,572 --> 01:12:36,893
Speaker 2: health issue that that you know is real, then absolutely

1521
01:12:36,933 --> 01:12:38,852
Speaker 2: no one should should judge you or even have a

1522
01:12:38,893 --> 01:12:40,812
Speaker 2: word to you about that or I mean, it's quite

1523
01:12:40,812 --> 01:12:42,852
Speaker 2: different from someone and I can see how you feel

1524
01:12:42,893 --> 01:12:44,412
Speaker 2: like you're being judged, like you are one of these

1525
01:12:44,412 --> 01:12:46,772
Speaker 2: people that's just being tricked by the latest latest social

1526
01:12:46,812 --> 01:12:49,612
Speaker 2: media trend. But you'd be a very harsh person that

1527
01:12:49,612 --> 01:12:52,492
Speaker 2: that that that had a problem with you doing what

1528
01:12:52,532 --> 01:12:53,772
Speaker 2: you need to do for your.

1529
01:12:53,812 --> 01:12:57,093
Speaker 28: Health once once they know what's going on. But it's

1530
01:12:57,133 --> 01:12:59,973
Speaker 28: that initial you can you can almost you know, you

1531
01:12:59,973 --> 01:13:05,572
Speaker 28: could you can almost feel them just going then you

1532
01:13:05,652 --> 01:13:07,572
Speaker 28: sort of feel obliged to have to go, oh well.

1533
01:13:07,812 --> 01:13:08,253
Speaker 24: Because of.

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01:13:09,772 --> 01:13:13,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is unfair on you as well, because there

1535
01:13:13,253 --> 01:13:15,772
Speaker 2: are a lot of people that become obsessed with their

1536
01:13:15,772 --> 01:13:19,653
Speaker 2: help and for one of a better word, makeup illnesses

1537
01:13:19,692 --> 01:13:21,772
Speaker 2: that they've got or make up reasons why they can't

1538
01:13:22,133 --> 01:13:26,933
Speaker 2: do things, and that's unfair. They're gluten intolerant. People that

1539
01:13:26,973 --> 01:13:30,012
Speaker 2: aren't gluten intolerant, and there are people with Celia's disease

1540
01:13:30,053 --> 01:13:32,253
Speaker 2: that are actually it is actually a real thing, but

1541
01:13:32,293 --> 01:13:35,133
Speaker 2: there's so many people running around saying they're gluten intolerant.

1542
01:13:35,412 --> 01:13:37,732
Speaker 2: It kind of kind of makes a mockery of the

1543
01:13:37,732 --> 01:13:40,532
Speaker 2: people that actually are going through the really serious issue.

1544
01:13:42,652 --> 01:13:44,532
Speaker 19: Yes, yes, and I.

1545
01:13:44,532 --> 01:13:46,612
Speaker 28: Kind of just want to say to them, I wish

1546
01:13:46,652 --> 01:13:49,732
Speaker 28: I could have it. Can you just eat it?

1547
01:13:51,333 --> 01:13:51,572
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1548
01:13:51,572 --> 01:13:53,572
Speaker 2: That's right. You're in a lucky position and you're making

1549
01:13:53,612 --> 01:13:55,693
Speaker 2: your life harder than it needs to be in stressing

1550
01:13:55,732 --> 01:13:58,732
Speaker 2: yourself out when you would give anything to be able

1551
01:13:58,772 --> 01:14:03,572
Speaker 2: to have that wider diet. Absolutely well, that makes them

1552
01:14:03,572 --> 01:14:04,972
Speaker 2: even worse. Thank you so much for your call.

1553
01:14:05,333 --> 01:14:07,253
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Charyl right oh one hundred and

1554
01:14:07,293 --> 01:14:09,452
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Love to

1555
01:14:09,492 --> 01:14:12,652
Speaker 3: hear from you. Just a quick text here, Hey guys,

1556
01:14:12,692 --> 01:14:15,372
Speaker 3: read the FOD map. It's linked to those to assisting

1557
01:14:15,452 --> 01:14:19,892
Speaker 3: rather those experiencing arital bowel syndrome that the previous caller mentioned.

1558
01:14:20,213 --> 01:14:22,932
Speaker 3: People following the principal have awful gut pain and gas

1559
01:14:22,933 --> 01:14:25,532
Speaker 3: with heaps of food including onions and garlic. Plus the

1560
01:14:25,572 --> 01:14:29,053
Speaker 3: previous caller said the stone fruit is well, so thank

1561
01:14:29,093 --> 01:14:31,532
Speaker 3: you very much, but keep those texts coming through. It

1562
01:14:31,652 --> 01:14:33,892
Speaker 3: is nine minutes to three. Back for you shortly here

1563
01:14:33,933 --> 01:14:36,693
Speaker 3: on News Talks heb the issues.

1564
01:14:36,333 --> 01:14:38,812
Speaker 4: That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

1565
01:14:39,053 --> 01:14:44,213
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talksb afternoon.

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01:14:44,372 --> 01:14:45,333
Speaker 6: It is seven to three.

1567
01:14:45,372 --> 01:14:49,773
Speaker 3: We've been talking about obsessions with clean eating, the obsessions

1568
01:14:49,812 --> 01:14:51,932
Speaker 3: with wellness. Social media is a big part of that.

1569
01:14:52,492 --> 01:14:54,492
Speaker 3: It had some great calls on our eight hundred eighty

1570
01:14:54,652 --> 01:14:57,732
Speaker 3: ten eighty. A few texts coming through on nine to

1571
01:14:58,133 --> 01:14:58,612
Speaker 3: nine two.

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01:14:59,053 --> 01:15:01,692
Speaker 2: Get your wife a cat. She will be busy dealing

1573
01:15:01,732 --> 01:15:04,173
Speaker 2: with the fussy, fussy eating cat. She will give up

1574
01:15:04,213 --> 01:15:04,532
Speaker 2: on you.

1575
01:15:05,293 --> 01:15:06,893
Speaker 6: Thanks from Mary.

1576
01:15:08,452 --> 01:15:11,892
Speaker 2: Matt. It's amazing who we listened to through Bittering ourselves

1577
01:15:11,933 --> 01:15:14,173
Speaker 2: because of you. I stopped drinking coffee and I'm running

1578
01:15:14,173 --> 01:15:17,132
Speaker 2: because of my cholesterol was too high. And Hoskins convinced

1579
01:15:17,173 --> 01:15:20,333
Speaker 2: me to do cold showers and brushing teeth on one leg.

1580
01:15:21,652 --> 01:15:23,973
Speaker 2: Good on your muz, Yeah, very good, I know. And

1581
01:15:24,253 --> 01:15:26,412
Speaker 2: when I'm hassling people, I believe the last thing I

1582
01:15:26,732 --> 01:15:29,932
Speaker 2: read as well. But I will absolutely back running to

1583
01:15:29,973 --> 01:15:30,852
Speaker 2: lower your cholesterol.

1584
01:15:31,013 --> 01:15:31,093
Speaker 20: Ye.

1585
01:15:31,853 --> 01:15:35,093
Speaker 2: And I will back lowering the amount of coffee you drink,

1586
01:15:35,333 --> 01:15:37,732
Speaker 2: definitely because it apps your anxiety. But I'm only saying,

1587
01:15:37,772 --> 01:15:41,093
Speaker 2: lawyer it to three, you know, three coffees. But I'm

1588
01:15:41,093 --> 01:15:44,372
Speaker 2: not going ooh when someone's eat drinking coffee, I'm not going, oh,

1589
01:15:44,452 --> 01:15:46,572
Speaker 2: you're you going to drink that You're worried about your

1590
01:15:46,572 --> 01:15:48,452
Speaker 2: anxiety because you drink a lot of coffee, Tyler?

1591
01:15:48,572 --> 01:15:49,093
Speaker 9: Do I ever go?

1592
01:15:50,492 --> 01:15:52,492
Speaker 2: I just saw something on social media that says you

1593
01:15:52,492 --> 01:15:55,333
Speaker 2: shouldn't drink that coffee. No, And I just read something

1594
01:15:55,412 --> 01:15:56,812
Speaker 2: on there that it's bad for your gut by them,

1595
01:15:56,933 --> 01:16:00,852
Speaker 2: And are you going to have that burger, Tyler? Because

1596
01:16:01,093 --> 01:16:04,133
Speaker 2: I don't know, you need to be eating hopleful, you know.

1597
01:16:04,133 --> 01:16:04,492
Speaker 11: What I mean?

1598
01:16:04,532 --> 01:16:06,732
Speaker 3: And thank god you don't because I'm always bringing boogers

1599
01:16:06,772 --> 01:16:10,013
Speaker 3: in here in KFC. I think we've got time for

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01:16:10,053 --> 01:16:10,852
Speaker 3: one more call, do we?

1601
01:16:11,053 --> 01:16:12,852
Speaker 6: Yes? Adrian is there right?

1602
01:16:14,053 --> 01:16:14,253
Speaker 4: Yes?

1603
01:16:14,452 --> 01:16:16,372
Speaker 6: Yeah, Hi, nice to check. What's your view on this?

1604
01:16:17,333 --> 01:16:21,612
Speaker 26: Hello? Well, just slightly amusing. I work for a catering company,

1605
01:16:21,692 --> 01:16:26,812
Speaker 26: so we get a lot of dietary requirements, more and

1606
01:16:26,973 --> 01:16:31,133
Speaker 26: more so these days. Frog maps are often but those

1607
01:16:31,173 --> 01:16:35,452
Speaker 26: are serious. Then we get things like and vegetarian but

1608
01:16:35,612 --> 01:16:42,412
Speaker 26: we'll eat chickens or know, a pescatarian is a vegetarian

1609
01:16:42,412 --> 01:16:46,532
Speaker 26: that will eat fish and seafood, you know, those are

1610
01:16:46,572 --> 01:16:50,053
Speaker 26: my choice. We get a lot of gluten free and

1611
01:16:50,652 --> 01:16:54,892
Speaker 26: other sort of allergies. But the funniest one was a

1612
01:16:54,973 --> 01:16:59,133
Speaker 26: woman that couldn't have eggs, so that that's fine, that

1613
01:16:59,333 --> 01:17:02,732
Speaker 26: steps an allergy, but couldn't it wouldn't eat egg plant

1614
01:17:02,893 --> 01:17:09,973
Speaker 26: because it's God, So you know what you're allergic to?

1615
01:17:10,412 --> 01:17:10,612
Speaker 7: You know?

1616
01:17:12,053 --> 01:17:14,612
Speaker 26: Okay, Yeah, so that was all.

1617
01:17:16,133 --> 01:17:16,692
Speaker 6: That's the crazy.

1618
01:17:17,372 --> 01:17:18,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of it out there.

1619
01:17:18,732 --> 01:17:22,372
Speaker 2: Most friends and family focusing on diet I know, get unwell. Yeah,

1620
01:17:22,412 --> 01:17:24,253
Speaker 2: I guess that's what we're kind of saying. All those

1621
01:17:24,253 --> 01:17:29,053
Speaker 2: wellness influences have a lot of botox. That makes me laugh. Yeah,

1622
01:17:29,133 --> 01:17:31,333
Speaker 2: I mean, and a lot of wellness influences that you

1623
01:17:31,492 --> 01:17:34,652
Speaker 2: that you listen to will then just pound bottles and

1624
01:17:34,652 --> 01:17:38,852
Speaker 2: bottles of wine. After telling you how how you should

1625
01:17:38,853 --> 01:17:43,852
Speaker 2: eat healthily, they'll they'll then slam wine. So you know, chill, chill,

1626
01:17:44,732 --> 01:17:46,093
Speaker 2: and lok. We've run out of time to play the

1627
01:17:46,093 --> 01:17:48,772
Speaker 2: Seawan Lock clip about gluten intolerance, but I'll play it

1628
01:17:48,772 --> 01:17:49,293
Speaker 2: after the break.

1629
01:17:49,372 --> 01:17:51,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, this has got to be good, right, Thank you

1630
01:17:51,612 --> 01:17:53,892
Speaker 3: very much to everyone who phoned and called on that.

1631
01:17:54,492 --> 01:17:56,492
Speaker 3: Matt's going to play that Shawn Lock clip after the

1632
01:17:56,492 --> 01:17:58,692
Speaker 3: break and then we're going to have a chat about

1633
01:17:58,692 --> 01:18:02,372
Speaker 3: climbing Mount Everested is four minutes to three, New Sport

1634
01:18:02,452 --> 01:18:04,253
Speaker 3: and Weather coming up. You're listening to Matt and Tilt.

1635
01:18:04,412 --> 01:18:20,732
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you.

1636
01:18:20,732 --> 01:18:24,532
Speaker 1: You're on new home for instul and Entertaining Talk. It's

1637
01:18:24,692 --> 01:18:28,372
Speaker 1: Maddie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

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01:18:28,492 --> 01:18:32,012
Speaker 3: Sebby, Very good afternoon, welcome back into the show. Great

1639
01:18:32,053 --> 01:18:34,173
Speaker 3: to have your company. As always, Just before we move

1640
01:18:34,213 --> 01:18:35,492
Speaker 3: on to the next topic.

1641
01:18:35,412 --> 01:18:39,132
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we put dietary concerns behind us and people

1642
01:18:39,372 --> 01:18:43,212
Speaker 2: that are constantly jumping on the latest social media dietary

1643
01:18:43,213 --> 01:18:46,173
Speaker 2: fair I mentioned before this piece of stand up from

1644
01:18:46,213 --> 01:18:49,973
Speaker 2: the great English comedian Sean Locke Rip. You might know

1645
01:18:50,093 --> 01:18:52,013
Speaker 2: him for eight out of ten cats, but he's a

1646
01:18:52,093 --> 01:18:54,652
Speaker 2: very very funny man. Well was a very very funny man.

1647
01:18:54,692 --> 01:18:58,652
Speaker 2: Died in twenty twenty one tragically, but this is a

1648
01:18:58,652 --> 01:19:01,693
Speaker 2: piece of stand up he had about gluten intolerance.

1649
01:19:01,973 --> 01:19:03,452
Speaker 29: I know quite a lot of people who've got this

1650
01:19:03,492 --> 01:19:04,492
Speaker 29: wheat intolerance.

1651
01:19:04,973 --> 01:19:06,293
Speaker 4: Fang. I'll just point out.

1652
01:19:06,293 --> 01:19:07,532
Speaker 29: You know, they come around your house and you offer

1653
01:19:07,572 --> 01:19:11,452
Speaker 29: them a sandwich. Rather than going ah, no thanks, they go.

1654
01:19:11,652 --> 01:19:13,333
Speaker 9: Oh, I can't.

1655
01:19:15,293 --> 01:19:18,013
Speaker 29: I've got this wheat intolerance. And what that means is

1656
01:19:18,133 --> 01:19:23,492
Speaker 29: if you give them some wheat, nothing happens, and you

1657
01:19:23,612 --> 01:19:25,412
Speaker 29: give them a bit more wheat nothing.

1658
01:19:26,173 --> 01:19:27,333
Speaker 2: If you keep giving them.

1659
01:19:27,173 --> 01:19:32,253
Speaker 29: Wheat, after about five days, they feel a bit, but

1660
01:19:32,293 --> 01:19:37,412
Speaker 29: they behave like they've got spine of biffider, don't they?

1661
01:19:38,692 --> 01:19:40,693
Speaker 29: Now are the people who are offended are called celiacs,

1662
01:19:40,772 --> 01:19:43,412
Speaker 29: and they are severely affected by wheat. But they're like

1663
01:19:43,532 --> 01:19:47,612
Speaker 29: zero point two percent of the wheat intolerant community. But

1664
01:19:47,692 --> 01:19:49,772
Speaker 29: I responded to the celiacs. I said, look, obviously I

1665
01:19:49,772 --> 01:19:50,412
Speaker 29: didn't mean you.

1666
01:19:50,492 --> 01:19:51,013
Speaker 9: I didn't mean you.

1667
01:19:51,053 --> 01:19:52,852
Speaker 29: I meant those legions of people I said, I know

1668
01:19:52,973 --> 01:19:55,972
Speaker 29: loads them, they're kind of appropriated an illness taken on board,

1669
01:19:55,973 --> 01:19:58,173
Speaker 29: an illness to maybe get more than their fair share

1670
01:19:58,213 --> 01:20:01,053
Speaker 29: of attention. Yeah, the attention they couldn't get from their

1671
01:20:01,093 --> 01:20:03,692
Speaker 29: personalities or achievements in life.

1672
01:20:05,133 --> 01:20:06,932
Speaker 9: Not worth mentioning, is my point.

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01:20:07,053 --> 01:20:08,812
Speaker 29: A bit like me coming out the start show tonight

1674
01:20:08,893 --> 01:20:11,133
Speaker 29: saying lovely to be here, ladies and gentlemen. Really looking

1675
01:20:11,133 --> 01:20:13,173
Speaker 29: forward to doing a great show. Although I must point

1676
01:20:13,173 --> 01:20:17,972
Speaker 29: out I have got quite a niche ard.

1677
01:20:18,053 --> 01:20:19,852
Speaker 2: Apologies for my rush editing of that. It was a

1678
01:20:19,893 --> 01:20:21,732
Speaker 2: much longer piece that I hacked together, so there was

1679
01:20:21,772 --> 01:20:24,213
Speaker 2: a few bad idits, but look it up on YouTube.

1680
01:20:24,293 --> 01:20:25,812
Speaker 2: It's a very funny piece. He goes on to say

1681
01:20:25,853 --> 01:20:29,692
Speaker 2: there were no gluten intolerant people in the trenches. Very

1682
01:20:29,772 --> 01:20:33,253
Speaker 2: very sure. Great man anyway, absolutely right, said on play that.

1683
01:20:33,412 --> 01:20:35,013
Speaker 2: Now I've said it, so let's put it behind us

1684
01:20:35,053 --> 01:20:36,213
Speaker 2: and move on to our next topic.

1685
01:20:36,293 --> 01:20:38,173
Speaker 3: Tyler put that to bed and let's have a chat

1686
01:20:38,213 --> 01:20:41,173
Speaker 3: about climbing Mount Everest. So a group of British men

1687
01:20:41,412 --> 01:20:43,852
Speaker 3: went from London to the summit of Mount Everest and

1688
01:20:43,933 --> 01:20:46,892
Speaker 3: back in less than a week. That was with the

1689
01:20:46,933 --> 01:20:49,852
Speaker 3: help of Xenon Gases what they call it mountaineers, and

1690
01:20:49,853 --> 01:20:51,213
Speaker 3: the Nepalese government.

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01:20:51,093 --> 01:20:51,892
Speaker 6: Are not pleased.

1692
01:20:51,893 --> 01:20:55,572
Speaker 3: So these four climbers they posed on the top of

1693
01:20:55,572 --> 01:21:00,572
Speaker 3: Mount Everest last Wednesday. Climbing that mountain, of course, typically

1694
01:21:00,732 --> 01:21:03,612
Speaker 3: takes weeks, with most of their time spent at the

1695
01:21:03,652 --> 01:21:07,333
Speaker 3: foot of the mountain adjusting tooth thin ear a climatizing.

1696
01:21:07,692 --> 01:21:09,772
Speaker 3: But the use of this gas meant that these four

1697
01:21:09,772 --> 01:21:12,133
Speaker 3: British climbers didn't have to do that. They could get

1698
01:21:12,173 --> 01:21:15,333
Speaker 3: to the base of Mount Everest and start climbing up

1699
01:21:15,412 --> 01:21:16,852
Speaker 3: and they don't have to stop at base.

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01:21:16,973 --> 01:21:17,093
Speaker 20: King.

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01:21:17,253 --> 01:21:20,053
Speaker 2: Do you know who didn't have that xeon gas? So

1702
01:21:20,452 --> 01:21:21,532
Speaker 2: Edmund bloody.

1703
01:21:21,253 --> 01:21:25,372
Speaker 3: Hillary, so right, knock the bastard off without that and Tensen. Yeah.

1704
01:21:25,452 --> 01:21:28,812
Speaker 2: So really, what you're saying is climbing Mount Everest less

1705
01:21:28,812 --> 01:21:29,933
Speaker 2: impressive than it used to be.

1706
01:21:31,133 --> 01:21:31,852
Speaker 6: And I think it is.

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01:21:32,732 --> 01:21:35,293
Speaker 3: It's a hell of an achievement, absolutely, But when you

1708
01:21:35,333 --> 01:21:39,532
Speaker 3: look at the pictures now and in this instance with

1709
01:21:39,732 --> 01:21:41,612
Speaker 3: or without the gas, and I think the gas is

1710
01:21:41,612 --> 01:21:44,013
Speaker 3: absolutely cheating. And by the way, there's an investigation by

1711
01:21:44,013 --> 01:21:45,932
Speaker 3: the Nipolese government into the use of this gas.

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01:21:46,053 --> 01:21:47,132
Speaker 6: They think it is unfair.

1713
01:21:47,973 --> 01:21:49,772
Speaker 2: But they've got a problem because they think if people

1714
01:21:49,772 --> 01:21:51,652
Speaker 2: are using that, they won't need their shurpas as much.

1715
01:21:51,772 --> 01:21:55,092
Speaker 6: Exactly right. That is a big part of climbing that mountain, isn't.

1716
01:21:54,933 --> 01:21:57,812
Speaker 2: It, Because the shirpers have you know, they've grown up

1717
01:21:57,812 --> 01:22:01,173
Speaker 2: in that air. They are climatized, they're incredible. Yeah, and

1718
01:22:01,213 --> 01:22:04,692
Speaker 2: they think it's crazy watching the you know, the people

1719
01:22:04,772 --> 01:22:06,173
Speaker 2: come over, they paid a lot of money and huff

1720
01:22:06,173 --> 01:22:07,133
Speaker 2: and puff their way up there.

1721
01:22:07,213 --> 01:22:09,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is so so even in this instance,

1722
01:22:09,973 --> 01:22:11,652
Speaker 3: and we all see it again and again and again

1723
01:22:11,692 --> 01:22:13,852
Speaker 3: with anyone who gets to the summit to Mount Neverest,

1724
01:22:13,933 --> 01:22:16,852
Speaker 3: that the camera pans around and then you see this

1725
01:22:17,013 --> 01:22:20,492
Speaker 3: ginormous queue of people trying to get to the summit.

1726
01:22:20,532 --> 01:22:23,532
Speaker 3: I mean, they're almost like social media influencers waiting for

1727
01:22:23,572 --> 01:22:24,612
Speaker 3: their turns to take a snap.

1728
01:22:24,692 --> 01:22:26,452
Speaker 2: Right at the top, you've got ladders up there, you're

1729
01:22:26,452 --> 01:22:28,492
Speaker 2: climbing over dead bodies. Well, i'd love to hear from

1730
01:22:28,492 --> 01:22:30,892
Speaker 2: someone that's climbed Mount Everest. That's someone that's been up

1731
01:22:30,893 --> 01:22:33,293
Speaker 2: there or been to base camp or yeah, or if

1732
01:22:33,293 --> 01:22:35,293
Speaker 2: you're a mountain climber and you've got some adventures you

1733
01:22:35,333 --> 01:22:37,972
Speaker 2: want to tell us about and tell us if it's

1734
01:22:38,093 --> 01:22:41,572
Speaker 2: ridiculous to say that the xeon gas is something to

1735
01:22:42,093 --> 01:22:45,572
Speaker 2: lower the achievement of climbing Mount Everest. Yeah, is it

1736
01:22:45,652 --> 01:22:49,333
Speaker 2: still just an incredible thing? And Tyler's got terrible Donna

1737
01:22:49,412 --> 01:22:53,852
Speaker 2: Krueger syndrome and it is actually still an incredible feat.

1738
01:22:53,973 --> 01:22:56,652
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel

1739
01:22:56,692 --> 01:22:59,372
Speaker 3: about these people who spend their heck of a lot

1740
01:22:59,372 --> 01:23:01,572
Speaker 3: of money to get carried up Mount Everest and these

1741
01:23:01,572 --> 01:23:05,692
Speaker 3: British climbers using gas to steam roll up there? Really

1742
01:23:05,732 --> 01:23:06,572
Speaker 3: ten to get your views?

1743
01:23:06,812 --> 01:23:09,452
Speaker 2: God, I'd love to hear from someone that's climb Mount Everest.

1744
01:23:09,452 --> 01:23:11,452
Speaker 2: Surely there's someone out there at eight hundred and eighty

1745
01:23:11,452 --> 01:23:14,492
Speaker 2: ten eighty or someone who knows someone back before this

1746
01:23:14,732 --> 01:23:16,173
Speaker 2: cheety zeon gas.

1747
01:23:16,372 --> 01:23:19,692
Speaker 3: It there's aleven past three, very good afternoons. So we're

1748
01:23:19,692 --> 01:23:22,253
Speaker 3: talking about climbing Everest. Is it's still the achievement that

1749
01:23:22,293 --> 01:23:25,092
Speaker 3: it once was? Heavily commercialized? You've paid a lot of money,

1750
01:23:25,133 --> 01:23:28,052
Speaker 3: there's still a lot of training involved for most people,

1751
01:23:28,133 --> 01:23:31,253
Speaker 3: including these four British climbers who are in a bit

1752
01:23:31,293 --> 01:23:33,933
Speaker 3: of strife with the Nipalese government. They're doing an investigation

1753
01:23:34,013 --> 01:23:37,853
Speaker 3: because they used xenon gas to avoid acclimatizing.

1754
01:23:38,253 --> 01:23:40,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my understanding is that they were there and

1755
01:23:40,452 --> 01:23:43,492
Speaker 2: back in four days when it normally takes about sixty

1756
01:23:43,572 --> 01:23:46,213
Speaker 2: days because you've got to have breaks and a climatization.

1757
01:23:46,372 --> 01:23:48,772
Speaker 2: You've got to climb up and then climb back down.

1758
01:23:50,293 --> 01:23:53,333
Speaker 2: So it's normally quite an amazing, quite a full on time.

1759
01:23:53,412 --> 01:23:55,852
Speaker 2: You've got to spend months and you know, nearly two months.

1760
01:23:55,893 --> 01:23:57,173
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't take that long to get up

1761
01:23:57,173 --> 01:23:59,692
Speaker 2: to the top of the summit, even though it's pretty

1762
01:23:59,732 --> 01:24:03,972
Speaker 2: pretty challenging to get there. Yeah, but you know you can't.

1763
01:24:04,053 --> 01:24:06,213
Speaker 2: You can't do it without all this acclimatization, which the

1764
01:24:06,333 --> 01:24:08,452
Speaker 2: Xeon gas sort of takes out of the equation.

1765
01:24:08,612 --> 01:24:08,852
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1766
01:24:08,893 --> 01:24:11,972
Speaker 6: So has the shine been lost on climbing Mount Everest?

1767
01:24:11,973 --> 01:24:12,093
Speaker 20: Though?

1768
01:24:12,093 --> 01:24:13,652
Speaker 3: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to

1769
01:24:13,692 --> 01:24:16,732
Speaker 3: call Trevor, how are you hey?

1770
01:24:16,772 --> 01:24:17,133
Speaker 14: Going there?

1771
01:24:17,173 --> 01:24:18,133
Speaker 6: Are you very good?

1772
01:24:18,173 --> 01:24:18,253
Speaker 20: So?

1773
01:24:18,293 --> 01:24:19,772
Speaker 3: What do you think about it? The four climber is

1774
01:24:19,853 --> 01:24:22,333
Speaker 3: using the gas? Well, just in general climbing Mount Everest?

1775
01:24:22,333 --> 01:24:25,732
Speaker 3: Does it still an incredible cheaper or has the shine

1776
01:24:25,772 --> 01:24:26,572
Speaker 3: come off a little bit?

1777
01:24:27,333 --> 01:24:30,132
Speaker 20: No? I think the mystical status of it is gone

1778
01:24:30,133 --> 01:24:32,492
Speaker 20: and it's all to do with improvements and things like that.

1779
01:24:32,532 --> 01:24:35,932
Speaker 20: But you know, we've always got Hillary, and he conquered Everest.

1780
01:24:35,933 --> 01:24:38,133
Speaker 20: And I always remember one of his comments when I

1781
01:24:38,333 --> 01:24:40,852
Speaker 20: was pointed out that apparently there's on English English and

1782
01:24:40,973 --> 01:24:43,532
Speaker 20: Mallory and they're saying that he got to the top first,

1783
01:24:43,572 --> 01:24:46,253
Speaker 20: and I'll it just come back and says, look, part

1784
01:24:46,293 --> 01:24:49,333
Speaker 20: of conquering a mountain is getting back down. Apparently already

1785
01:24:49,372 --> 01:24:53,173
Speaker 20: died on the way down. I didn't make it down. Yes, Now,

1786
01:24:53,173 --> 01:24:55,612
Speaker 20: I thought, what just what a great statement. You know,

1787
01:24:55,732 --> 01:24:57,812
Speaker 20: to conquer mountain you have to get back down. But

1788
01:24:57,893 --> 01:25:02,852
Speaker 20: you know, I remember, and this is no disrespect adam PERORI,

1789
01:25:02,973 --> 01:25:06,053
Speaker 20: but you know I remember I sort of lost a

1790
01:25:06,093 --> 01:25:08,732
Speaker 20: lot of the like it's impossible to climb over You've

1791
01:25:08,732 --> 01:25:12,293
Speaker 20: been camp tramping for all these years when adam PERORI

1792
01:25:13,333 --> 01:25:15,572
Speaker 20: and well probably would have been tough working that. But

1793
01:25:15,612 --> 01:25:18,173
Speaker 20: when Adam he conquered it and he climbed it, and

1794
01:25:18,213 --> 01:25:21,612
Speaker 20: I'm thinking, gee, you know, that sort of brings the

1795
01:25:21,652 --> 01:25:24,492
Speaker 20: status of climbing ever us right down, and it's even

1796
01:25:24,812 --> 01:25:28,932
Speaker 20: approved work more now easier now when these people, you know,

1797
01:25:29,053 --> 01:25:31,492
Speaker 20: I think they get amputees up there somehow now and

1798
01:25:31,572 --> 01:25:34,492
Speaker 20: things like that, so but no, I remember when adam

1799
01:25:34,933 --> 01:25:38,093
Speaker 20: PERORI congitive. That sort of brought it right down to

1800
01:25:38,173 --> 01:25:40,732
Speaker 20: a level to me that maybe it's not as mythical

1801
01:25:41,293 --> 01:25:44,452
Speaker 20: as people think. It just needed to common sense about

1802
01:25:44,452 --> 01:25:45,053
Speaker 20: when you do it.

1803
01:25:45,452 --> 01:25:47,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess, I mean, it's still quite an

1804
01:25:47,893 --> 01:25:51,012
Speaker 2: amazing achievement no matter what you do, right, no matter

1805
01:25:51,053 --> 01:25:53,213
Speaker 2: what the aids you get. And there are still people

1806
01:25:53,253 --> 01:25:55,612
Speaker 2: that die up there. I mean, I understand I could

1807
01:25:55,612 --> 01:25:57,852
Speaker 2: be wrong with this number, but I understand you're passing

1808
01:25:57,853 --> 01:26:00,293
Speaker 2: about three hundred bodies when you're when you're getting up there,

1809
01:26:00,652 --> 01:26:02,412
Speaker 2: and of course some of those are from the from

1810
01:26:02,532 --> 01:26:05,972
Speaker 2: the past, and you tend to get preserved if you die. Yes,

1811
01:26:06,053 --> 01:26:08,253
Speaker 2: so those lie around for a long time. But you know,

1812
01:26:08,692 --> 01:26:11,852
Speaker 2: it's an achievement to run a marathon, and it's an

1813
01:26:11,893 --> 01:26:15,173
Speaker 2: achievement to do a whole lot of things. But yeah,

1814
01:26:15,213 --> 01:26:16,933
Speaker 2: as you say, Trevor, it's never going to be the

1815
01:26:16,933 --> 01:26:19,213
Speaker 2: achievement that Sir Edmund Hillary had.

1816
01:26:19,492 --> 01:26:19,892
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1817
01:26:19,893 --> 01:26:22,372
Speaker 20: Absolutely, Maybe I'll Adham he might be listening. He might

1818
01:26:22,452 --> 01:26:24,172
Speaker 20: ring up and tell us what it was like climbing

1819
01:26:24,213 --> 01:26:24,532
Speaker 20: up there.

1820
01:26:24,652 --> 01:26:24,892
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1821
01:26:24,973 --> 01:26:27,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well just quickly, Trevor, for lack of a better word,

1822
01:26:27,492 --> 01:26:29,293
Speaker 3: is it kind of these people who are trying to

1823
01:26:29,293 --> 01:26:31,852
Speaker 3: set new challenges with new technology, and in this case

1824
01:26:31,933 --> 01:26:34,013
Speaker 3: gas it's kind of a bit of a jump the

1825
01:26:34,013 --> 01:26:37,652
Speaker 3: shark situation that that shine is completely off those sort

1826
01:26:37,692 --> 01:26:39,572
Speaker 3: of records, that they kind of feel a bit tainted.

1827
01:26:39,612 --> 01:26:41,532
Speaker 3: And there was a woman not too long ago who

1828
01:26:41,612 --> 01:26:45,053
Speaker 3: was trying to climb all of the mountains in the

1829
01:26:45,093 --> 01:26:47,253
Speaker 3: world that are higher than eight thousand meters and she

1830
01:26:47,293 --> 01:26:49,333
Speaker 3: got into a bit of strife because she ended up

1831
01:26:49,372 --> 01:26:50,933
Speaker 3: taking a chop at the base camp as some of

1832
01:26:50,973 --> 01:26:53,093
Speaker 3: those mountains, and so a lot of people said, hey,

1833
01:26:53,173 --> 01:26:55,053
Speaker 3: that doesn't count. I mean, that's kind of what it

1834
01:26:55,053 --> 01:26:57,453
Speaker 3: comes to, right, is these people trying to break records

1835
01:26:57,772 --> 01:26:59,893
Speaker 3: and doing everything they can, and it just feels a

1836
01:26:59,933 --> 01:27:00,852
Speaker 3: bit a bit cheating.

1837
01:27:01,333 --> 01:27:02,892
Speaker 6: It's not the achievement they think it is.

1838
01:27:03,612 --> 01:27:05,293
Speaker 20: Yeah, no, you're right, and you know, we've got to

1839
01:27:05,333 --> 01:27:08,133
Speaker 20: be honest. You know, probably Sir Ed couldn't have done

1840
01:27:08,133 --> 01:27:11,173
Speaker 20: it was out sherb attending, you know what I mean.

1841
01:27:11,452 --> 01:27:14,333
Speaker 20: So things do improve, but I mean nobody could ever

1842
01:27:14,492 --> 01:27:18,133
Speaker 20: ever say the difficulty and getting there back in nineteen

1843
01:27:18,173 --> 01:27:20,892
Speaker 20: fifty four or fifty three, it's just the same as

1844
01:27:20,933 --> 01:27:23,333
Speaker 20: doing it in twenty twenty five. I mean, it just

1845
01:27:23,412 --> 01:27:25,772
Speaker 20: doesn't even evaluate in the same statement.

1846
01:27:25,812 --> 01:27:29,572
Speaker 2: Really yeah, yeah, And you know you could argue, and

1847
01:27:29,612 --> 01:27:31,412
Speaker 2: this would be a controversial thing to say, but when

1848
01:27:31,452 --> 01:27:34,452
Speaker 2: Sir Edmund climbed Mount Everest in nineteen fifty three, he

1849
01:27:34,532 --> 01:27:38,372
Speaker 2: was using oxygen cylinders, so you could go back and

1850
01:27:38,412 --> 01:27:41,093
Speaker 2: say he was he was assisted in some way. He

1851
01:27:41,173 --> 01:27:43,652
Speaker 2: wasn't just I mean, and I think some people did

1852
01:27:43,933 --> 01:27:47,012
Speaker 2: the British run. I'm not taking anything anything away from

1853
01:27:47,053 --> 01:27:50,692
Speaker 2: Sir Edmund Hillary. No, but he did use oxygen cylinders,

1854
01:27:50,692 --> 01:27:50,973
Speaker 2: didn't they.

1855
01:27:51,853 --> 01:27:53,812
Speaker 6: Trevor, thank you very much. Oh sorry you go.

1856
01:27:54,652 --> 01:27:55,812
Speaker 14: Oh no, I was just going to fad.

1857
01:27:55,812 --> 01:27:58,492
Speaker 20: Also, the year they wear is probably a lot better too.

1858
01:27:58,492 --> 01:27:59,852
Speaker 23: I suppose all sports like that.

1859
01:27:59,933 --> 01:28:00,133
Speaker 7: Now.

1860
01:28:00,333 --> 01:28:02,772
Speaker 20: You know these athletes they have these shoes that bounce

1861
01:28:02,812 --> 01:28:05,293
Speaker 20: them along. Now they don't ever sort of jump or

1862
01:28:05,293 --> 01:28:08,013
Speaker 20: spring as much as normal. But no, I think they

1863
01:28:08,572 --> 01:28:12,052
Speaker 20: nothing can ever be the first man to climb Everest,

1864
01:28:12,093 --> 01:28:15,093
Speaker 20: so good love it and I love just comment about Yeah,

1865
01:28:15,133 --> 01:28:17,052
Speaker 20: he might have got there first, but he didn't comment

1866
01:28:17,093 --> 01:28:18,492
Speaker 20: the mountain because he didn't make it down.

1867
01:28:18,652 --> 01:28:19,012
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1868
01:28:19,093 --> 01:28:22,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, the British were really keen for a photo to submerge.

1869
01:28:22,652 --> 01:28:24,812
Speaker 2: It's just like a polaroid to float down the mountain.

1870
01:28:25,093 --> 01:28:28,133
Speaker 3: Yes, Trevor, thank you very much. Right, we'll take a

1871
01:28:28,253 --> 01:28:30,253
Speaker 3: quick break. Then we're going to have a chat to

1872
01:28:30,293 --> 01:28:32,772
Speaker 3: someone who actually climbed Mount Everest last year.

1873
01:28:32,853 --> 01:28:33,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go.

1874
01:28:33,973 --> 01:28:42,933
Speaker 3: This is going to be good night singing Past three.

1875
01:28:40,652 --> 01:28:44,012
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1876
01:28:44,093 --> 01:28:47,773
Speaker 1: eighty eighty on News Talks EDB, News.

1877
01:28:47,452 --> 01:28:48,133
Speaker 6: Talks ed B.

1878
01:28:48,532 --> 01:28:51,412
Speaker 3: We are talking climbing Mount Everest, a story of four

1879
01:28:51,412 --> 01:28:53,053
Speaker 3: British men who are in a bit of strife with

1880
01:28:53,053 --> 01:28:55,772
Speaker 3: the Nepalese government because they used guests to get up

1881
01:28:55,812 --> 01:28:57,772
Speaker 3: the mountain and record time. But also we had a

1882
01:28:58,013 --> 01:29:01,293
Speaker 3: caller before Trevor who talked about Adam Perreori, famous New

1883
01:29:01,412 --> 01:29:04,652
Speaker 3: Zealand cricketer who climbed Mount Everest. And this texter has

1884
01:29:04,772 --> 01:29:08,293
Speaker 3: questioned it. Adam PERORI never climbed Mount.

1885
01:29:08,133 --> 01:29:11,133
Speaker 2: Ever, says this texture he did. Actually he reached the

1886
01:29:11,133 --> 01:29:15,133
Speaker 2: summit on If I'm looking at this interview, I'm reading

1887
01:29:15,173 --> 01:29:17,812
Speaker 2: here about on the Herald on reach the Summit on

1888
01:29:17,853 --> 01:29:19,092
Speaker 2: May twentieth, twenty eleven.

1889
01:29:19,253 --> 01:29:21,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm just reading some more of this. So

1890
01:29:21,973 --> 01:29:26,333
Speaker 3: in the interview, speaking to Radio Hodaki's Matt Heath the

1891
01:29:26,333 --> 01:29:28,492
Speaker 3: forty eight year old sare it's someone seing the mountain

1892
01:29:28,612 --> 01:29:30,772
Speaker 3: was a hard slog. It's pretty tough, mate. I quite

1893
01:29:30,893 --> 01:29:33,333
Speaker 3: like it hard. But once you get above eight thousand meters,

1894
01:29:33,372 --> 01:29:35,572
Speaker 3: you're the big show. There's no question about that.

1895
01:29:35,692 --> 01:29:36,133
Speaker 6: So there you go.

1896
01:29:36,333 --> 01:29:38,173
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, he wasn't on the Xeon gas. He was

1897
01:29:38,173 --> 01:29:41,452
Speaker 2: spending a bunch of time at base camp and acclimatizing

1898
01:29:41,893 --> 01:29:45,372
Speaker 2: in the full sixty day experience eight hundred and eighty

1899
01:29:46,213 --> 01:29:49,372
Speaker 2: eight hundred and forty eight meters. You cannot take that

1900
01:29:49,412 --> 01:29:53,693
Speaker 2: away from anam Peroure, although I was. I was commentating

1901
01:29:53,692 --> 01:29:57,133
Speaker 2: the Black Class once on TV and Z and anam

1902
01:29:57,133 --> 01:29:58,932
Speaker 2: Perore had the micon so we could talk to him

1903
01:29:59,372 --> 01:30:01,572
Speaker 2: and we were trying to put his wife's game going.

1904
01:30:01,812 --> 01:30:05,412
Speaker 2: Did you really Mount Everest? He was like, yes, did

1905
01:30:05,452 --> 01:30:06,772
Speaker 2: you really? Yes?

1906
01:30:07,053 --> 01:30:07,532
Speaker 6: It was good.

1907
01:30:08,933 --> 01:30:11,093
Speaker 2: He's a great chat in peror. Yeah.

1908
01:30:11,173 --> 01:30:13,652
Speaker 6: Now, Meli, Kate, have I said that correct?

1909
01:30:14,812 --> 01:30:16,532
Speaker 23: Yes, Malki it Malachi.

1910
01:30:16,572 --> 01:30:18,812
Speaker 6: It hey, very nice to chat with you. So tell

1911
01:30:18,893 --> 01:30:19,492
Speaker 6: us your story.

1912
01:30:20,572 --> 01:30:26,692
Speaker 23: Oh good, I did Mount Vers last year wow, nineteenth

1913
01:30:26,772 --> 01:30:31,852
Speaker 23: of May twenty four at age thirty seven, and I

1914
01:30:31,893 --> 01:30:34,412
Speaker 23: am the fifty third from New Zealand to do it.

1915
01:30:34,652 --> 01:30:37,173
Speaker 23: And I think before me, Adam pro I did it.

1916
01:30:37,452 --> 01:30:41,892
Speaker 2: Yep. Wow. And so how long were you you know,

1917
01:30:41,973 --> 01:30:43,933
Speaker 2: because did you did it take you two months to

1918
01:30:43,973 --> 01:30:44,572
Speaker 2: get up there?

1919
01:30:45,492 --> 01:30:45,812
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1920
01:30:45,853 --> 01:30:52,213
Speaker 23: So I started from here tenth of April and it's

1921
01:30:52,452 --> 01:30:56,093
Speaker 23: like a briefnessed. I did it on nineteen so I

1922
01:30:56,133 --> 01:31:00,173
Speaker 23: came back on thirtieth of week. So nearly takes two

1923
01:31:00,213 --> 01:31:06,733
Speaker 23: months to do it. But the problem is there do acclimatization.

1924
01:31:06,893 --> 01:31:07,532
Speaker 11: That's master.

1925
01:31:08,412 --> 01:31:11,372
Speaker 23: Like I was hearing you the guys who did it,

1926
01:31:11,812 --> 01:31:15,012
Speaker 23: I think they took a lot of risk.

1927
01:31:16,372 --> 01:31:19,213
Speaker 2: You think what, Sorry, I just missed that they.

1928
01:31:19,093 --> 01:31:21,572
Speaker 23: Took a lot of risk. I think every one should

1929
01:31:21,973 --> 01:31:23,972
Speaker 23: have a clamination before doing it.

1930
01:31:24,612 --> 01:31:24,852
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1931
01:31:25,452 --> 01:31:29,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's something that your team to climate

1932
01:31:29,372 --> 01:31:31,333
Speaker 2: may do. You keep saying that may being the date

1933
01:31:31,372 --> 01:31:33,492
Speaker 2: that people that people go up. Is that is that

1934
01:31:33,532 --> 01:31:35,053
Speaker 2: when the weather is the best to do it.

1935
01:31:36,053 --> 01:31:38,133
Speaker 23: No, no, in the year, in a whole year, you

1936
01:31:38,173 --> 01:31:41,573
Speaker 23: get only two weeks to get the windows. From thirtieth

1937
01:31:41,612 --> 01:31:46,852
Speaker 23: of May to thirtieth of yeah, to twenty seventh of May,

1938
01:31:46,893 --> 01:31:47,692
Speaker 23: you get the window.

1939
01:31:48,213 --> 01:31:50,372
Speaker 2: That's the one day. Yes, I say, you already said.

1940
01:31:50,213 --> 01:31:53,612
Speaker 23: That two weeks, So help you can you can?

1941
01:31:53,612 --> 01:31:56,652
Speaker 2: You can you describe it, describe what it was like,

1942
01:31:56,732 --> 01:31:59,333
Speaker 2: how hard, how hard it was to get up the summit,

1943
01:31:59,492 --> 01:32:01,532
Speaker 2: and and you know what you saw as you were

1944
01:32:01,572 --> 01:32:02,013
Speaker 2: going up.

1945
01:32:03,452 --> 01:32:07,412
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's a lot, a lot to tell you, but

1946
01:32:07,893 --> 01:32:10,612
Speaker 23: in a brief I will tell you that what happened

1947
01:32:10,652 --> 01:32:13,973
Speaker 23: with me was when I did when I went to

1948
01:32:14,013 --> 01:32:17,532
Speaker 23: the base camp. So you have to do two rotations.

1949
01:32:17,572 --> 01:32:20,532
Speaker 23: Like there are four camps in order if you want

1950
01:32:20,532 --> 01:32:22,612
Speaker 23: to climb the Mount averst to the summit, they are

1951
01:32:22,612 --> 01:32:26,532
Speaker 23: four camps Camp one, two, three, four, and then the summit.

1952
01:32:27,053 --> 01:32:30,613
Speaker 23: Camp one base camp is at fifty five hundred nearlymeters

1953
01:32:31,173 --> 01:32:34,532
Speaker 23: and I'm talking in meters, and Camp one is at

1954
01:32:34,572 --> 01:32:38,372
Speaker 23: sixty one hundred, Camp two is sixty four, Camp three

1955
01:32:38,412 --> 01:32:41,852
Speaker 23: is seventy one hundred, and the Camp four last one

1956
01:32:42,013 --> 01:32:45,293
Speaker 23: is the seventy eight seventy nine and then the summit.

1957
01:32:45,772 --> 01:32:49,012
Speaker 23: The summit, like last portion is eight one hundred eighty

1958
01:32:49,133 --> 01:32:52,412
Speaker 23: four eight eight forty eight meters left, So.

1959
01:32:52,372 --> 01:32:55,812
Speaker 3: The last push is about one thousand meters is it

1960
01:32:55,853 --> 01:32:58,372
Speaker 3: coming in the last push from Camp four to the

1961
01:32:58,372 --> 01:33:01,572
Speaker 3: summit is just over one thousand meters and.

1962
01:33:02,732 --> 01:33:07,093
Speaker 23: Eight hundred forty eight, right, eight four, yeah, eight forty eight.

1963
01:33:07,572 --> 01:33:11,692
Speaker 23: But what happens is you can't stay night at camp four,

1964
01:33:12,293 --> 01:33:15,213
Speaker 23: so last night you can stay is at Camp three,

1965
01:33:16,173 --> 01:33:20,293
Speaker 23: so that's at seventy. So what happened with me was

1966
01:33:20,692 --> 01:33:23,612
Speaker 23: like I had to do rotations and one amount of

1967
01:33:23,652 --> 01:33:29,412
Speaker 23: lagushe LaBouche is one six six sixeters. So after that

1968
01:33:29,612 --> 01:33:32,973
Speaker 23: I got a loss of hepatite. Means if you go

1969
01:33:33,053 --> 01:33:38,932
Speaker 23: to the average summit, you people get altitude sickness. So

1970
01:33:38,973 --> 01:33:42,653
Speaker 23: what happened with him was I couldn't eat after doing labushe.

1971
01:33:43,293 --> 01:33:49,133
Speaker 23: So for from twenty fourth of April till uh tenth

1972
01:33:49,253 --> 01:33:52,652
Speaker 23: of May, I couldn't eat. I could only drink, and

1973
01:33:52,732 --> 01:33:58,173
Speaker 23: they put me on a drip. But luckily I was

1974
01:33:58,253 --> 01:34:03,613
Speaker 23: well enough to walk and climb, so I missed my rotations,

1975
01:34:04,013 --> 01:34:08,253
Speaker 23: but they allowed me as I was like fully fit.

1976
01:34:08,933 --> 01:34:13,532
Speaker 23: And it took me eleven days from base camp two

1977
01:34:14,732 --> 01:34:17,492
Speaker 23: to the summit and come back. That should have been

1978
01:34:17,532 --> 01:34:21,253
Speaker 23: done in only six days. It takes a normal climber

1979
01:34:21,293 --> 01:34:23,852
Speaker 23: it takes only six days and you should be back

1980
01:34:24,173 --> 01:34:27,532
Speaker 23: by six days. What happened with me was when I

1981
01:34:27,572 --> 01:34:31,412
Speaker 23: went to Camp two, the weather of everest at the

1982
01:34:31,492 --> 01:34:35,812
Speaker 23: summit went off like it was. They didn't allowed to climb,

1983
01:34:36,412 --> 01:34:39,932
Speaker 23: so I had to sit at Camp two for five

1984
01:34:40,013 --> 01:34:44,492
Speaker 23: days and for my family, I was like lost.

1985
01:34:45,452 --> 01:34:48,412
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, wow, that would have been terrified.

1986
01:34:49,532 --> 01:34:53,333
Speaker 23: Yeah yeah. So when I came back on twenty first.

1987
01:34:53,532 --> 01:34:56,173
Speaker 23: I started on tenth of May and came back I

1988
01:34:56,253 --> 01:35:00,532
Speaker 23: think twenty first of May at base camp. So that

1989
01:35:00,572 --> 01:35:02,572
Speaker 23: time only they knew that I did the Everest.

1990
01:35:03,973 --> 01:35:07,013
Speaker 3: I'm I'm just writing your story now, Melly Kate. There

1991
01:35:07,133 --> 01:35:09,932
Speaker 3: was a few out of who was published when you

1992
01:35:09,973 --> 01:35:13,133
Speaker 3: climbed it and May May last year, So tell us

1993
01:35:13,133 --> 01:35:15,293
Speaker 3: what when you I mean a heak of a journey

1994
01:35:15,333 --> 01:35:17,213
Speaker 3: for you with the altitude, sickness and what you had

1995
01:35:17,213 --> 01:35:19,452
Speaker 3: to go through. But what was that feeling like when

1996
01:35:19,492 --> 01:35:21,293
Speaker 3: you when you finally got to the summer?

1997
01:35:22,652 --> 01:35:23,732
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

1998
01:35:25,772 --> 01:35:30,133
Speaker 23: You won't believe it because I have earlier met Sir

1999
01:35:30,293 --> 01:35:33,213
Speaker 23: Edmund Hillry. So when I was in India, he was

2000
01:35:33,333 --> 01:35:35,852
Speaker 23: used to be ambassador to India and I met them.

2001
01:35:35,933 --> 01:35:40,293
Speaker 23: I met him, well, he was in India. So what

2002
01:35:40,492 --> 01:35:46,933
Speaker 23: he said, that's exactly the world. I don't say it,

2003
01:35:44,973 --> 01:35:50,892
Speaker 23: but when you do it, yeah, because and you passed

2004
01:35:50,893 --> 01:35:54,093
Speaker 23: the bodies and the climbers fol won't do it and

2005
01:35:54,213 --> 01:35:59,612
Speaker 23: were still lying on the summit, So you feel a lot.

2006
01:36:00,013 --> 01:36:00,892
Speaker 23: You feel a lot.

2007
01:36:01,013 --> 01:36:03,612
Speaker 2: On top of the world. So on the day that

2008
01:36:03,652 --> 01:36:05,572
Speaker 2: you were up there, when you when you got up there,

2009
01:36:06,093 --> 01:36:08,852
Speaker 2: how long do you spend on the summit? And was

2010
01:36:08,853 --> 01:36:11,213
Speaker 2: was the weather? Was it clear so you could say

2011
01:36:11,253 --> 01:36:11,572
Speaker 2: the view?

2012
01:36:13,013 --> 01:36:15,772
Speaker 23: Yeah, I could see the view. I reached at eight

2013
01:36:15,933 --> 01:36:20,452
Speaker 23: thirty seven or nineteenth of May, so it took only

2014
01:36:20,572 --> 01:36:23,772
Speaker 23: eight minutes or seven minutes. I stayed there because the

2015
01:36:23,812 --> 01:36:27,572
Speaker 23: weather immediately the weather changes a lot. So I tell

2016
01:36:27,612 --> 01:36:31,012
Speaker 23: you a little one when I when I was coming back,

2017
01:36:31,572 --> 01:36:35,892
Speaker 23: hell steps they please hit me. So the blazers got

2018
01:36:35,973 --> 01:36:41,173
Speaker 23: so strong, so like my specs I wear specks, and

2019
01:36:41,213 --> 01:36:43,892
Speaker 23: specks gone off, and the goggles I was not wearing

2020
01:36:43,893 --> 01:36:46,972
Speaker 23: goggles that time. Like it was good way to go.

2021
01:36:47,652 --> 01:36:50,372
Speaker 23: But the blazer came out of a sudden and the

2022
01:36:50,452 --> 01:36:53,972
Speaker 23: climbers who are climbing that time don't do it. They

2023
01:36:54,013 --> 01:36:57,612
Speaker 23: have to return back. So when when the weather goes off,

2024
01:36:58,093 --> 01:37:01,293
Speaker 23: the one who are doing it, they can't go further,

2025
01:37:01,572 --> 01:37:04,092
Speaker 23: and the one who are coming down they are stuck.

2026
01:37:05,053 --> 01:37:08,892
Speaker 23: So that's the hardest part. Yeah over there, Yeah, and

2027
01:37:09,253 --> 01:37:12,053
Speaker 23: I want one thing more. I want to add, have

2028
01:37:12,133 --> 01:37:13,412
Speaker 23: you heard of hallucination?

2029
01:37:14,572 --> 01:37:16,813
Speaker 2: One more hallucinations?

2030
01:37:16,812 --> 01:37:17,532
Speaker 23: Hallucinations?

2031
01:37:17,572 --> 01:37:18,053
Speaker 14: Oh for three?

2032
01:37:18,213 --> 01:37:20,253
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, the altitude, yes I have.

2033
01:37:20,492 --> 01:37:25,012
Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, that happened with me. So I was at

2034
01:37:25,253 --> 01:37:29,692
Speaker 23: eight four three nine meters and I knew it was

2035
01:37:29,973 --> 01:37:33,173
Speaker 23: three thirteen in the morning, and I was climbing that time,

2036
01:37:33,853 --> 01:37:36,852
Speaker 23: so I don't know my share pa. He got sick,

2037
01:37:37,013 --> 01:37:39,812
Speaker 23: like his stomach ache, and he said, you have to

2038
01:37:39,812 --> 01:37:43,212
Speaker 23: sit on the line, only the row via you climbing.

2039
01:37:43,853 --> 01:37:46,973
Speaker 23: So I have to move because if you stop, you

2040
01:37:47,532 --> 01:37:48,853
Speaker 23: start to freeze.

2041
01:37:48,532 --> 01:37:49,893
Speaker 4: Croising, razing it.

2042
01:37:50,893 --> 01:37:54,173
Speaker 23: So I was moving and all of a sudden, you

2043
01:37:54,213 --> 01:37:59,812
Speaker 23: won't believe, I started seeing thirteen fourteen feet man's big.

2044
01:37:59,732 --> 01:38:03,812
Speaker 2: Mans wow, like like a s squash situation.

2045
01:38:04,933 --> 01:38:08,572
Speaker 23: Yeah, I thought maybe he's climbers. But again when I

2046
01:38:08,652 --> 01:38:13,293
Speaker 23: turned towards those figures, they were like long figures. So

2047
01:38:13,372 --> 01:38:17,173
Speaker 23: when my serback came from behind, because gaze is at

2048
01:38:17,213 --> 01:38:20,173
Speaker 23: the back of yourslender is at back, so you can't

2049
01:38:20,213 --> 01:38:24,652
Speaker 23: see the gay gaze. So he told me multiethio oxygen snails.

2050
01:38:25,692 --> 01:38:28,733
Speaker 23: So that time he knew that it has it was hallucination,

2051
01:38:29,333 --> 01:38:32,492
Speaker 23: and if he had not come, I was not talking

2052
01:38:32,532 --> 01:38:34,492
Speaker 23: to you now, wow.

2053
01:38:34,452 --> 01:38:36,732
Speaker 2: And speaking of not talking to us now, what an experience,

2054
01:38:36,732 --> 01:38:39,132
Speaker 2: but speaking to us, there's also quite a few bodies

2055
01:38:39,173 --> 01:38:42,133
Speaker 2: you would have had to be climbing past, yeah, on

2056
01:38:42,213 --> 01:38:44,812
Speaker 2: the way, and he just you just sort of trem

2057
01:38:44,893 --> 01:38:46,852
Speaker 2: passed them. Yeah, you don't stop.

2058
01:38:46,893 --> 01:38:52,253
Speaker 23: And nobody, nobody is like pass over them. They all

2059
01:38:52,333 --> 01:38:53,093
Speaker 23: respect them.

2060
01:38:53,213 --> 01:38:55,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, they will respect them.

2061
01:38:55,732 --> 01:38:58,492
Speaker 23: And what they have done is now is the Nepal

2062
01:38:58,572 --> 01:39:02,533
Speaker 23: government they have you are tesked with two things, unsafety

2063
01:39:02,572 --> 01:39:05,972
Speaker 23: and one ascender. They have moved their safety from the line,

2064
01:39:06,333 --> 01:39:09,492
Speaker 23: so they are not just below the the line where

2065
01:39:09,532 --> 01:39:12,213
Speaker 23: you are, where you're walking, where he's claim being loved.

2066
01:39:14,253 --> 01:39:16,892
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for bringing and sharing your story.

2067
01:39:16,933 --> 01:39:19,173
Speaker 2: I was really hoping that we've talked to someone who

2068
01:39:19,612 --> 01:39:22,852
Speaker 2: had climbed Mount Everest. So I'm incredibly stoked and what

2069
01:39:22,933 --> 01:39:27,852
Speaker 2: an experience. And good on you mate, how good, thank you.

2070
01:39:29,213 --> 01:39:31,852
Speaker 6: Thank you very much, what a story, what a journey.

2071
01:39:32,173 --> 01:39:32,932
Speaker 6: Thank you very much.

2072
01:39:32,973 --> 01:39:37,293
Speaker 3: That is malikit Sing and you can see and read

2073
01:39:37,372 --> 01:39:42,213
Speaker 3: his story. It is in the Herald and other news websites.

2074
01:39:42,692 --> 01:39:44,492
Speaker 3: Man oh Man, I mean, I'll take it back. It

2075
01:39:44,572 --> 01:39:46,173
Speaker 3: is an achievement. And he went through Allen Beck to

2076
01:39:46,213 --> 01:39:47,612
Speaker 3: get no.

2077
01:39:47,652 --> 01:39:49,133
Speaker 2: But we're not talking about him. He did the full

2078
01:39:49,133 --> 01:39:50,932
Speaker 2: two months. Yeah, we're talking about the guys that are

2079
01:39:50,933 --> 01:39:53,492
Speaker 2: taking the Xeon gas yes and doing it in four days.

2080
01:39:53,812 --> 01:39:53,932
Speaker 18: Yea.

2081
01:39:54,213 --> 01:39:56,293
Speaker 2: But yeah, we got a great call and you know,

2082
01:39:56,412 --> 01:39:59,293
Speaker 2: fifty to do it, and to be the fifty third

2083
01:39:59,452 --> 01:40:02,732
Speaker 2: New Zealand to a climb Mount Everest when you know,

2084
01:40:02,812 --> 01:40:05,612
Speaker 2: Sir Edmund Hillary did it in nineteen fifty three is

2085
01:40:05,652 --> 01:40:06,333
Speaker 2: kind of cool, isn't it.

2086
01:40:06,253 --> 01:40:08,053
Speaker 3: It is, oh, one hundred and eighty teen eighty is

2087
01:40:08,053 --> 01:40:10,892
Speaker 3: the I'd love to hear your thoughts about climbing Mount

2088
01:40:10,933 --> 01:40:13,652
Speaker 3: evereston if you've done it, being to base camp, really

2089
01:40:13,692 --> 01:40:16,333
Speaker 3: keen to have a chat with you. It is twenty seven.

2090
01:40:16,293 --> 01:40:22,293
Speaker 21: Four US talks be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

2091
01:40:22,372 --> 01:40:25,932
Speaker 21: no trouble with a blue bubble. The IRIMA Reform Minister

2092
01:40:26,093 --> 01:40:29,412
Speaker 21: says the overhaul of the Resource Management to Act, now

2093
01:40:29,492 --> 01:40:33,812
Speaker 21: open for consultation, boils down to making things easier and

2094
01:40:33,933 --> 01:40:38,053
Speaker 21: gives EWEE more choice on developing land. Other changes will

2095
01:40:38,093 --> 01:40:42,532
Speaker 21: allow more mining, reduce farm regulations and free upbuilding granny flats.

2096
01:40:43,452 --> 01:40:47,253
Speaker 21: Donald Trump's ability to impose sweeping tariffs could end up

2097
01:40:47,293 --> 01:40:50,693
Speaker 21: in front of the Supreme Court after a US International

2098
01:40:50,732 --> 01:40:55,492
Speaker 21: Trade Court has ruled he overstepped in using emergency powers

2099
01:40:55,532 --> 01:40:59,213
Speaker 21: to impose them. Wild weather is about to descend on

2100
01:40:59,333 --> 01:41:03,492
Speaker 21: Auckland between four and eight pm as rain and wind

2101
01:41:03,572 --> 01:41:07,093
Speaker 21: batter the Upper North Island. Heavy gusts may force the

2102
01:41:07,133 --> 01:41:11,333
Speaker 21: harbourbridge lane closures and an amber alert runs from eight

2103
01:41:11,452 --> 01:41:16,173
Speaker 21: until midnight. McDonald's has been granted resource consent to build

2104
01:41:16,253 --> 01:41:19,173
Speaker 21: a twenty four to seven drive through on Kepper Road

2105
01:41:19,213 --> 01:41:22,333
Speaker 21: in Auckland's order K. A sixty seven year old church

2106
01:41:22,412 --> 01:41:26,253
Speaker 21: on the site was demolished last year. Totong Is fifty

2107
01:41:26,333 --> 01:41:29,532
Speaker 21: seven year old or To Multi Pool will stay open

2108
01:41:29,692 --> 01:41:33,092
Speaker 21: and get an upgrade thanks to a multimillion dollar council

2109
01:41:33,173 --> 01:41:37,732
Speaker 21: commitment new partners sought after a sudden closure of Napier

2110
01:41:37,812 --> 01:41:41,172
Speaker 21: Bar and restaurant. You can read more at enzid Herald Premium.

2111
01:41:41,372 --> 01:41:43,172
Speaker 21: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2112
01:41:43,213 --> 01:41:45,612
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. And we're talking about scaling

2113
01:41:45,732 --> 01:41:49,573
Speaker 3: Mount Everest. The Nepalese government is investigating four British climbers

2114
01:41:49,893 --> 01:41:54,372
Speaker 3: who managed to scale Mount Everest in three days less

2115
01:41:54,412 --> 01:41:58,532
Speaker 3: than a week with the help of Xenon gas.

2116
01:41:58,213 --> 01:42:01,492
Speaker 2: Well I mean because it affects the impacts on terrorism,

2117
01:42:01,612 --> 01:42:04,892
Speaker 2: tourism and Nepalese tourism. The Shep's livelyhood. So the team

2118
01:42:05,253 --> 01:42:08,812
Speaker 2: pre acclimatized using a hypoxic tents in with the Xeon

2119
01:42:08,853 --> 01:42:11,852
Speaker 2: gas treatments in Germany before they went over. And I

2120
01:42:11,853 --> 01:42:15,412
Speaker 2: guess the debate around it is it's questions around you know,

2121
01:42:15,612 --> 01:42:19,412
Speaker 2: short cutting human achievements because it's an extreme port and

2122
01:42:19,412 --> 01:42:22,412
Speaker 2: there's something you know about going up there that is

2123
01:42:23,853 --> 01:42:26,093
Speaker 2: hard and the reason why it counts is because it's

2124
01:42:26,093 --> 01:42:29,612
Speaker 2: so incredibly hard. So scientific opinions are divided about some

2125
01:42:29,692 --> 01:42:32,333
Speaker 2: experts saying that that this is this is a bad thing,

2126
01:42:32,372 --> 01:42:35,253
Speaker 2: but it's banned by the anti doping agencies for competed sports.

2127
01:42:35,532 --> 01:42:40,012
Speaker 2: This gas that they're using, the Xeon gas, And yeah,

2128
01:42:40,133 --> 01:42:43,132
Speaker 2: I don't know. Some people say it improved safety because

2129
01:42:43,213 --> 01:42:46,492
Speaker 2: you know, you can operate in your windows a bit easier,

2130
01:42:47,013 --> 01:42:51,932
Speaker 2: but it sort of just challenges traditional mountaineering essex, isn't it.

2131
01:42:52,612 --> 01:42:55,852
Speaker 2: So it's an interesting monks except what they did the

2132
01:42:55,853 --> 01:42:58,692
Speaker 2: whole thing was in four days. They were up there

2133
01:42:58,772 --> 01:43:00,893
Speaker 2: and up and four days, but they had been aclimatizing

2134
01:43:00,893 --> 01:43:01,772
Speaker 2: in Germany before that.

2135
01:43:01,973 --> 01:43:04,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the question doesn't take the shine off it.

2136
01:43:04,253 --> 01:43:06,452
Speaker 3: And we heard from Malice before it was the fifty

2137
01:43:06,492 --> 01:43:08,732
Speaker 3: third New Zealander to climb up there. He had to

2138
01:43:08,772 --> 01:43:12,173
Speaker 3: go through all that acclimatizing between the four different base gaps.

2139
01:43:13,532 --> 01:43:16,333
Speaker 2: He was on a drip, he got altitude sickness, he

2140
01:43:16,412 --> 01:43:19,732
Speaker 2: was hallucinating massive monster men on the mountain. He went

2141
01:43:19,732 --> 01:43:22,973
Speaker 2: through hardship. His family thought he was lost exactly. You know,

2142
01:43:23,213 --> 01:43:27,692
Speaker 2: these guys just blasting up there with their Xeon gas

2143
01:43:27,732 --> 01:43:30,692
Speaker 2: and they're pre acclimatizing in Germany and they're they're doping

2144
01:43:30,732 --> 01:43:33,092
Speaker 2: and they're fixing, and they're bypassing the sheerpers.

2145
01:43:33,372 --> 01:43:35,973
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly. I don't know, Diane, what do

2146
01:43:36,013 --> 01:43:36,892
Speaker 3: you reckon about all this?

2147
01:43:37,692 --> 01:43:37,972
Speaker 21: Oh?

2148
01:43:38,093 --> 01:43:38,372
Speaker 23: Good?

2149
01:43:38,612 --> 01:43:41,253
Speaker 30: Thanks? How are you? Matt and Tyler?

2150
01:43:41,853 --> 01:43:42,293
Speaker 6: Very well?

2151
01:43:42,933 --> 01:43:46,412
Speaker 30: Twenty seventh of May twenty seventeen. I was at the

2152
01:43:46,853 --> 01:43:50,532
Speaker 30: airport in Iceland waiting from a flight back to the UK,

2153
01:43:51,013 --> 01:43:52,452
Speaker 30: and all of a sudden I saw a lot of

2154
01:43:52,452 --> 01:43:54,933
Speaker 30: people with cameras hanging around the next and that, and

2155
01:43:54,973 --> 01:43:59,053
Speaker 30: I said, oh, something's on here. So I spoke to

2156
01:43:59,133 --> 01:44:02,613
Speaker 30: someone and they said, oh, the first female from Iceland

2157
01:44:02,612 --> 01:44:05,932
Speaker 30: that has just climbed Mount Everest's due in any time.

2158
01:44:06,372 --> 01:44:10,333
Speaker 30: And her name was Phil. I won't attempt to pronounce

2159
01:44:10,333 --> 01:44:11,452
Speaker 30: the surname.

2160
01:44:12,732 --> 01:44:13,572
Speaker 6: I couldn't love.

2161
01:44:14,853 --> 01:44:15,213
Speaker 23: Yeah.

2162
01:44:15,572 --> 01:44:20,213
Speaker 30: She was the first Icelandic woman to ski solo from

2163
01:44:20,652 --> 01:44:24,012
Speaker 30: hercules Inlet on the Antarctic coast, also to the South

2164
01:44:24,053 --> 01:44:27,372
Speaker 30: Pole on the seventeenth of January twenty and thirteen. Wow,

2165
01:44:28,253 --> 01:44:31,293
Speaker 30: I'm in Mount Everest. It was her third attempt to

2166
01:44:32,293 --> 01:44:36,772
Speaker 30: climate and that and I was introduced to her mother

2167
01:44:37,053 --> 01:44:41,772
Speaker 30: and her and wanted to know a lot about Mount Cook.

2168
01:44:41,853 --> 01:44:44,452
Speaker 30: So I spent quite a few minutes, you know, chatting

2169
01:44:44,492 --> 01:44:48,012
Speaker 30: to them. So it's interesting who you're banging to people

2170
01:44:48,333 --> 01:44:49,413
Speaker 30: at different airports.

2171
01:44:49,572 --> 01:44:51,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, how cool. Well, thank you for being up and

2172
01:44:51,692 --> 01:44:54,932
Speaker 2: sharing your story. So just to look at her last name,

2173
01:44:55,213 --> 01:45:00,013
Speaker 2: it's how do you reckon? You pronounce this g I

2174
01:45:00,293 --> 01:45:05,173
Speaker 2: s s u are ad t t I R Here

2175
01:45:05,173 --> 01:45:09,372
Speaker 2: you go, Ibilberg Anna Gussin. I don't know why I

2176
01:45:09,372 --> 01:45:09,852
Speaker 2: put a gym in.

2177
01:45:09,933 --> 01:45:11,892
Speaker 3: That was pretty good, actually, that was there that sounded

2178
01:45:11,893 --> 01:45:13,972
Speaker 3: about spot on. Thank you very much.

2179
01:45:14,013 --> 01:45:17,133
Speaker 2: Diane Steve, your daughter went to base camp last year?

2180
01:45:18,492 --> 01:45:22,173
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, and modern and predial achievement. That was just

2181
01:45:22,173 --> 01:45:25,053
Speaker 15: just to get to base camp. It was a I

2182
01:45:25,053 --> 01:45:27,612
Speaker 15: think there was about eight on the on the actual trip.

2183
01:45:28,412 --> 01:45:33,012
Speaker 15: Schirpers were absolutely fantastic. Couldn't have done it without them,

2184
01:45:33,053 --> 01:45:37,093
Speaker 15: and then they are just absolutely fantastic people. That's what

2185
01:45:37,133 --> 01:45:39,893
Speaker 15: they do for a living. Of course, she had a

2186
01:45:39,933 --> 01:45:44,652
Speaker 15: little bit of altitude sickness at that height, but you know, nothing,

2187
01:45:45,253 --> 01:45:47,652
Speaker 15: they had thoughts to take and what have you, and

2188
01:45:47,692 --> 01:45:51,772
Speaker 15: that sort of held things together a bit, just just

2189
01:45:51,853 --> 01:45:55,493
Speaker 15: being in the environment of the almost a third world country,

2190
01:45:55,772 --> 01:46:00,372
Speaker 15: what they put up with there, and and the length

2191
01:46:00,412 --> 01:46:03,852
Speaker 15: they have to go to get like there's no fire

2192
01:46:03,933 --> 01:46:09,572
Speaker 15: with the course, so they they fire yak going I

2193
01:46:09,572 --> 01:46:12,732
Speaker 15: think it is on the on the fires and keep

2194
01:46:12,772 --> 01:46:16,892
Speaker 15: the fires going and what have you, and yx yx,

2195
01:46:17,093 --> 01:46:20,492
Speaker 15: and they use donkeys and yax. Donkeys can only go

2196
01:46:20,532 --> 01:46:23,253
Speaker 15: to a certain height and then yax can only go

2197
01:46:23,532 --> 01:46:26,333
Speaker 15: from a certain heights. They can't come down below certain

2198
01:46:26,372 --> 01:46:28,812
Speaker 15: altitudes otherwise they die.

2199
01:46:29,293 --> 01:46:30,692
Speaker 5: So it was.

2200
01:46:30,652 --> 01:46:33,173
Speaker 15: An incredible experience for her. And when we were sort

2201
01:46:33,173 --> 01:46:35,812
Speaker 15: of just waiting for a bit of internet coverage so

2202
01:46:35,893 --> 01:46:38,692
Speaker 15: she could ring us at nighttime and or whenever it

2203
01:46:38,772 --> 01:46:41,852
Speaker 15: was available, and we were we were just it was

2204
01:46:41,933 --> 01:46:45,973
Speaker 15: just enthralling listening to what they could do and the

2205
01:46:46,053 --> 01:46:47,652
Speaker 15: fantastic people she met.

2206
01:46:47,492 --> 01:46:50,932
Speaker 2: On there, and she did she did she go into

2207
01:46:50,933 --> 01:46:55,173
Speaker 2: the Nipolese side or the Tibetan side Nipolice. Oh yeah,

2208
01:46:55,333 --> 01:46:57,973
Speaker 2: because I mean that's still for seventeen hundred feet up,

2209
01:46:58,013 --> 01:46:59,732
Speaker 2: isn't it. That's still very high?

2210
01:47:00,213 --> 01:47:03,692
Speaker 15: No? No, no, it's way higher than that, way higher

2211
01:47:03,732 --> 01:47:04,173
Speaker 15: than that.

2212
01:47:04,253 --> 01:47:05,253
Speaker 5: It's three times high.

2213
01:47:05,412 --> 01:47:07,572
Speaker 15: I think she was three times higher than Mount cock.

2214
01:47:08,053 --> 01:47:14,612
Speaker 2: Well sevens you're talking eighteen thousand feet is very high. Yeah, yeah,

2215
01:47:14,692 --> 01:47:16,972
Speaker 2: I mean that. I mean, I mean that that's incredibly high.

2216
01:47:17,053 --> 01:47:19,412
Speaker 2: Eighteen thousand feet. That's where that's where the that's how

2217
01:47:19,492 --> 01:47:22,612
Speaker 2: high the nippolize A base camp is. So that's right

2218
01:47:22,652 --> 01:47:26,253
Speaker 2: up there. So was she ever intending to climb to

2219
01:47:26,612 --> 01:47:29,213
Speaker 2: the summit or was was the trip all about base camp?

2220
01:47:29,853 --> 01:47:32,612
Speaker 15: No, no it was she's not a climber, she's she's

2221
01:47:32,612 --> 01:47:33,293
Speaker 15: in the factress.

2222
01:47:33,492 --> 01:47:33,732
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2223
01:47:33,772 --> 01:47:37,213
Speaker 15: So that's all sorts of killiman Jarros next on her list.

2224
01:47:37,253 --> 01:47:40,053
Speaker 2: I think on how much did that cost for her

2225
01:47:40,053 --> 01:47:42,573
Speaker 2: to get to base camp? If you don't mind me asking.

2226
01:47:44,013 --> 01:47:47,212
Speaker 15: I think about six and a half thousand dollars.

2227
01:47:47,452 --> 01:47:50,013
Speaker 2: Wow, that's I mean that seems like that's and is

2228
01:47:50,053 --> 01:47:51,412
Speaker 2: that what ear fears and everything.

2229
01:47:52,612 --> 01:47:54,532
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I believe.

2230
01:47:54,652 --> 01:47:58,452
Speaker 2: So that's good money. Sure, that's got good money for

2231
01:47:58,452 --> 01:48:00,652
Speaker 2: a hell of an experience, for.

2232
01:48:00,572 --> 01:48:03,213
Speaker 15: A for a bucket list. I mean, how many?

2233
01:48:03,213 --> 01:48:03,892
Speaker 5: How many people?

2234
01:48:04,013 --> 01:48:04,892
Speaker 11: Like I said to her at the.

2235
01:48:04,853 --> 01:48:07,492
Speaker 15: Time, I was in tears when I found out that

2236
01:48:07,572 --> 01:48:09,972
Speaker 15: she made it, just because how many people have been

2237
01:48:10,013 --> 01:48:12,812
Speaker 15: there a little we're talking a lot of people now

2238
01:48:12,853 --> 01:48:15,013
Speaker 15: go to the top and one have you. But this

2239
01:48:15,173 --> 01:48:19,732
Speaker 15: is Joe Boggs, little Old New Zealand decided to do

2240
01:48:20,173 --> 01:48:22,532
Speaker 15: a trek with eight other people from all around the world.

2241
01:48:22,812 --> 01:48:23,532
Speaker 11: She was with a.

2242
01:48:23,572 --> 01:48:28,293
Speaker 15: German girl and a father and son from India. It

2243
01:48:28,333 --> 01:48:32,933
Speaker 15: was just a pop brewery of nations and the sherpas.

2244
01:48:33,013 --> 01:48:36,612
Speaker 15: There was one sherp at the two people they she said,

2245
01:48:36,652 --> 01:48:39,532
Speaker 15: it was incredible the amount they can carry on their back.

2246
01:48:39,893 --> 01:48:42,812
Speaker 15: They just took day packs and the sherpas took the rest.

2247
01:48:43,133 --> 01:48:47,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, that's incredible, you know, eighteen thousand feet up?

2248
01:48:48,492 --> 01:48:51,372
Speaker 3: How cool, Steve, Thank you very much mate, that's a

2249
01:48:51,372 --> 01:48:52,532
Speaker 3: great glory.

2250
01:48:52,853 --> 01:48:54,572
Speaker 2: Where did you say she was planning to go next.

2251
01:48:54,452 --> 01:49:02,772
Speaker 15: Jack, Yeah, she's off to Kilimanjaro and the well as

2252
01:49:03,532 --> 01:49:06,532
Speaker 15: soon as finances allow on what have you. But that's

2253
01:49:06,572 --> 01:49:07,013
Speaker 15: what she does.

2254
01:49:07,412 --> 01:49:08,253
Speaker 11: She's an adventuress.

2255
01:49:08,492 --> 01:49:12,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, can I thank you very much? Kilimanjaro raising like

2256
01:49:12,853 --> 01:49:15,133
Speaker 2: a snake above the serrangetty.

2257
01:49:15,372 --> 01:49:16,133
Speaker 6: Is that part of the song?

2258
01:49:16,213 --> 01:49:17,213
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2259
01:49:17,333 --> 01:49:20,253
Speaker 3: Good lyric Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

2260
01:49:20,452 --> 01:49:24,972
Speaker 3: number to call just before we play some messages. Text here, guys,

2261
01:49:25,013 --> 01:49:28,293
Speaker 3: I've been to base camp. Unfortunately, getting to the top

2262
01:49:28,333 --> 01:49:30,972
Speaker 3: of Everest is now a glorified hike for the wealthy.

2263
01:49:31,053 --> 01:49:33,732
Speaker 3: No climbing has needed fixed ropes to hold on to

2264
01:49:33,893 --> 01:49:35,972
Speaker 3: all the way the latters for any parts that need

2265
01:49:36,053 --> 01:49:36,812
Speaker 3: actual climbing.

2266
01:49:36,933 --> 01:49:39,532
Speaker 6: K two is for the serious climbers, and that is

2267
01:49:39,532 --> 01:49:40,173
Speaker 6: a true test.

2268
01:49:40,412 --> 01:49:42,853
Speaker 2: What I meant to say is as sure as Kilimanjaro

2269
01:49:43,013 --> 01:49:49,213
Speaker 2: rises like Olympus above the cerrengettifully beautifully said you know that.

2270
01:49:49,293 --> 01:49:51,572
Speaker 2: You know they had never been to Africa when they

2271
01:49:51,612 --> 01:49:55,333
Speaker 2: wrote that song Toto, They're not. They painted the picture

2272
01:49:55,412 --> 01:49:57,253
Speaker 2: very well, didn't they. It was just a bunch of

2273
01:49:57,253 --> 01:49:59,692
Speaker 2: cliches about Africa for a song.

2274
01:49:59,853 --> 01:50:01,093
Speaker 6: Great song.

2275
01:50:01,133 --> 01:50:04,613
Speaker 2: As sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the serrangetti.

2276
01:50:04,692 --> 01:50:07,333
Speaker 2: That's a lot of syllables to fix fit into a line.

2277
01:50:07,492 --> 01:50:10,732
Speaker 6: It is caughted four beattary shortly, the.

2278
01:50:10,812 --> 01:50:14,772
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

2279
01:50:14,772 --> 01:50:15,293
Speaker 1: in between.

2280
01:50:15,492 --> 01:50:18,412
Speaker 4: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

2281
01:50:18,412 --> 01:50:19,973
Speaker 6: They'd be afternoon too.

2282
01:50:20,013 --> 01:50:23,812
Speaker 3: You we're talking about these four British ESAs members who

2283
01:50:23,933 --> 01:50:27,293
Speaker 3: have scaled Mount Everest and they used it by or

2284
01:50:27,333 --> 01:50:29,253
Speaker 3: with the help of zen on guests. So they managed

2285
01:50:29,253 --> 01:50:30,612
Speaker 3: to do it in less than a week. Does that

2286
01:50:30,772 --> 01:50:31,812
Speaker 3: take the shine off a little bit?

2287
01:50:31,812 --> 01:50:34,012
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, what on earth is problem? These guys aren't

2288
01:50:34,053 --> 01:50:36,732
Speaker 2: depriving anyone of anything and everyone knows what they've done.

2289
01:50:36,732 --> 01:50:39,972
Speaker 2: Scuba divers use mixed gas to go depth, no difference

2290
01:50:40,013 --> 01:50:42,013
Speaker 2: to is tony. Yeah, but the Nepolice government is in

2291
01:50:42,093 --> 01:50:44,492
Speaker 2: vestiag because they're worried about the impacts on tourism and

2292
01:50:44,532 --> 01:50:47,532
Speaker 2: sherper's livelihoods, because if people aren't over there for two months,

2293
01:50:47,933 --> 01:50:50,452
Speaker 2: then you know, then then it's not so great for

2294
01:50:50,532 --> 01:50:53,372
Speaker 2: their ability to earn money, and if they're climatonizing in

2295
01:50:53,412 --> 01:50:56,412
Speaker 2: another country in Germany and then coming over and also

2296
01:50:56,452 --> 01:50:59,772
Speaker 2: I guess the argument is that it takes away from

2297
01:50:59,893 --> 01:51:03,892
Speaker 2: what it is to get to the Summit of Everest

2298
01:51:03,973 --> 01:51:06,652
Speaker 2: absolutely compared to you know what our fifty third New

2299
01:51:06,732 --> 01:51:07,892
Speaker 2: Zealand did go up there?

2300
01:51:07,973 --> 01:51:08,133
Speaker 24: Did?

2301
01:51:08,412 --> 01:51:09,293
Speaker 2: Yes, he was talking to us.

2302
01:51:09,253 --> 01:51:11,692
Speaker 3: Before, right, we speak to the sherpers and the culture

2303
01:51:11,692 --> 01:51:12,932
Speaker 3: and the mountain is all part of it.

2304
01:51:13,013 --> 01:51:14,412
Speaker 2: So in a way you can look at it, you're

2305
01:51:14,452 --> 01:51:16,852
Speaker 2: kind of doping. You're kind of getting the experience. It's

2306
01:51:16,933 --> 01:51:19,532
Speaker 2: kind of stolen valor. You're getting the experience of going

2307
01:51:19,572 --> 01:51:21,572
Speaker 2: up the summit, but you're not doing the two months

2308
01:51:22,572 --> 01:51:27,173
Speaker 2: acclimatization and risking the the you know, the sickness, and

2309
01:51:27,732 --> 01:51:30,213
Speaker 2: nicely said, but you know, it's a good pointing that, Tony.

2310
01:51:30,213 --> 01:51:32,293
Speaker 2: You're allot to have your opinion exactly.

2311
01:51:34,173 --> 01:51:38,173
Speaker 13: Jack, you met Surid, Yeah, Hi, Yeah, I met him

2312
01:51:38,213 --> 01:51:41,532
Speaker 13: on quite a few occasions, and I was in Germany

2313
01:51:42,372 --> 01:51:43,812
Speaker 13: work for a German company.

2314
01:51:44,173 --> 01:51:46,213
Speaker 5: I was always talking. I as a guest speaker here

2315
01:51:46,213 --> 01:51:49,692
Speaker 5: in New Zealand for six hundred scientists from all around

2316
01:51:49,732 --> 01:51:54,973
Speaker 5: the world, and they had a preference for certain hillary

2317
01:51:55,173 --> 01:51:57,013
Speaker 5: so I can't take to them. I just looked up

2318
01:51:57,013 --> 01:51:58,612
Speaker 5: in the frame book and he was on the frame book,

2319
01:51:58,652 --> 01:52:04,133
Speaker 5: which was amazing, and so they agreed to it. This

2320
01:52:04,293 --> 01:52:07,053
Speaker 5: is twelve months out. He's women un well, but yeah,

2321
01:52:07,093 --> 01:52:10,973
Speaker 5: he did. He did do the presentation for us was

2322
01:52:10,973 --> 01:52:16,293
Speaker 5: his last official engagement, if you like to speak. Week

2323
01:52:16,333 --> 01:52:19,173
Speaker 5: Granda's house several times and met him when you'd be

2324
01:52:19,213 --> 01:52:23,412
Speaker 5: watching cricket. When I went around there and I took

2325
01:52:23,452 --> 01:52:25,892
Speaker 5: around about fifteen hundred books that he had written for

2326
01:52:25,973 --> 01:52:28,772
Speaker 5: him to sign, and he said he'd need a few

2327
01:52:28,853 --> 01:52:31,973
Speaker 5: weeks the signs. But he turned around to me and

2328
01:52:32,013 --> 01:52:34,253
Speaker 5: he said, you know the biggest ones with sign jack

2329
01:52:34,293 --> 01:52:36,892
Speaker 5: that most numbers were signed. He said, tens in an eye.

2330
01:52:37,412 --> 01:52:41,652
Speaker 5: It signed thirty five thousand books. Wow, which you know,

2331
01:52:42,013 --> 01:52:43,972
Speaker 5: but just to hear the words tens and come out

2332
01:52:43,973 --> 01:52:48,053
Speaker 5: of this guy's mouth was just amazing. So it was

2333
01:52:48,093 --> 01:52:51,333
Speaker 5: in christ Church, and went round to his hotel and

2334
01:52:51,372 --> 01:52:53,053
Speaker 5: pick him up and where to have him back there

2335
01:52:53,053 --> 01:52:55,492
Speaker 5: by half ar seven, eight o'clock, which was his bed time,

2336
01:52:55,532 --> 01:52:59,412
Speaker 5: which was fair enough. Such a humble man that I

2337
01:52:59,452 --> 01:53:03,372
Speaker 5: had to get the six hundred delegates all seated. He

2338
01:53:03,452 --> 01:53:06,053
Speaker 5: wanted anyone seated at the back of the marquet. We

2339
01:53:06,093 --> 01:53:09,213
Speaker 5: had designated room so no one could see him. And

2340
01:53:09,732 --> 01:53:13,812
Speaker 5: they introduced them, and they lasked first, and they introduced

2341
01:53:13,853 --> 01:53:17,852
Speaker 5: him as sertainer Hillary clind Everest in his non famous

2342
01:53:17,893 --> 01:53:20,013
Speaker 5: saying he knocked the basket off.

2343
01:53:19,853 --> 01:53:23,133
Speaker 2: He knocked the bim he saying, is one of the

2344
01:53:23,173 --> 01:53:25,412
Speaker 2: greatest things that's ever come out of New Zealander's mouth.

2345
01:53:25,532 --> 01:53:27,612
Speaker 6: Okay, well, isn't it. Yeah?

2346
01:53:27,772 --> 01:53:30,133
Speaker 5: It is. The thing was though, the most powerful thing.

2347
01:53:30,173 --> 01:53:32,692
Speaker 5: He put his head down and he put his hands

2348
01:53:32,732 --> 01:53:36,333
Speaker 5: over his face, and Lady June truand me and said, Jack,

2349
01:53:36,572 --> 01:53:39,693
Speaker 5: he's still embarrassed to this day. I've got that saying.

2350
01:53:40,093 --> 01:53:43,772
Speaker 3: Really, wow, that's interesting when we're so proud of it

2351
01:53:43,812 --> 01:53:45,732
Speaker 3: because it has such a good you know, that keywi

2352
01:53:45,853 --> 01:53:48,612
Speaker 3: yessence of I knocked the bastard off and that was

2353
01:53:48,652 --> 01:53:50,253
Speaker 3: the headlines around the world at the time. But what

2354
01:53:50,293 --> 01:53:53,772
Speaker 3: a cool experience, Jack, Thank you very much. Right, we'll

2355
01:53:53,812 --> 01:53:55,932
Speaker 3: have time for one more phone call. I think on

2356
01:53:55,973 --> 01:53:57,452
Speaker 3: this one of theirs nine to four.

2357
01:53:58,572 --> 01:54:01,973
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2358
01:54:02,293 --> 01:54:06,093
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used

2359
01:54:06,093 --> 01:54:07,813
Speaker 1: talks EDB, News.

2360
01:54:07,612 --> 01:54:11,532
Speaker 6: Talks EDB, get a Michael, you go for it, my friends.

2361
01:54:11,333 --> 01:54:12,092
Speaker 7: I've got to rush.

2362
01:54:12,173 --> 01:54:13,932
Speaker 14: So I'm now eighty four.

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Speaker 15: I first went up.

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Speaker 7: To in the Everest region when I was sixty sixty

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Speaker 7: two years old. I fell in love with the place.

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Speaker 7: I've been over five thousand meters twelve times, and I've

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Speaker 7: only once been in a tour group. The rest of

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Speaker 7: the time is just a guide and myself and a

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Speaker 7: porter and sometimes my partner came with me. Three times.

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Speaker 7: She's been up there. But it's so incredible. If you

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Speaker 7: obey the rules, you only rise three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 7: three hundred to three fifty meters a day. Every thousand

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Speaker 7: meters you stay an extra night. I've never had altitude sickness.

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Speaker 7: And it's unbelievable getting up there. And as I says

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Speaker 7: an old man, I was last did it when I

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Speaker 7: was eighty, and it is just you've got to be

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Speaker 7: reasonably fit, of course, but you obey the rules. And yeah,

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Speaker 7: So all I can say is I fell in love

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Speaker 7: with the place. More emails from the poor up in

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Speaker 7: the mountains. I had my eightieth birthday up there for

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Speaker 7: three and a half. I can't tell you how how invigorating,

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Speaker 7: how everything, how everything.

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Speaker 4: And the gentleman who.

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Speaker 7: Said his daughter went with the group, Yes, that's great

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Speaker 7: to go on your own, and he said six thousand.

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Speaker 14: If the FA is two.

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Speaker 15: And a half thousand, I could do it for under

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Speaker 15: four thousand.

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Speaker 6: Michael, are you phenomenal?

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Speaker 2: It's quite simple. The method matters and mountaineerings is a

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Speaker 2: text a pure style as solo, no assistance, no clothes,

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Speaker 2: helicopters at the other end of the spectrum. Xeon Gas

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01:55:46,613 --> 01:55:49,133
Speaker 2: is close to the helicopter end of the spectrum, helping

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Speaker 2: someone else getting there as the shepherd do goes one

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Speaker 2: step beyond the solo experience. How good is that? Well

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Speaker 2: that brings us to the end of the show. If

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Speaker 2: you must do anything today, I think we've had some

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Speaker 2: great chats. Check out the Matt and Tyler Full Show podcast,

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Speaker 2: Our good buddy hitherto for selling is up next. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much and until tomorrow, give a toast a key.

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