1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalks EDB. 3 00:00:12,667 --> 00:00:15,227 Speaker 2: But Argentina and the All Blacks meet tomorrow morning and 4 00:00:15,267 --> 00:00:18,267 Speaker 2: their second Rugby Championship Test of twenty twenty five. 5 00:00:18,907 --> 00:00:21,467 Speaker 1: The All Blacks go back to number one in the 6 00:00:21,507 --> 00:00:23,227 Speaker 1: world for the first time. 7 00:00:23,147 --> 00:00:28,187 Speaker 2: Since November twenty twenty one. Forty one twenty four six 8 00:00:28,267 --> 00:00:33,107 Speaker 2: tries to three, a pretty comprehensive win, well eventually anyway 9 00:00:33,107 --> 00:00:35,507 Speaker 2: from the All Blacks nine o'clock tomorrow morning, catch the 10 00:00:35,547 --> 00:00:39,227 Speaker 2: call with Elliot Smith and Ant Strawn. Let's bring in 11 00:00:39,667 --> 00:00:45,427 Speaker 2: Argentinian rugby journalist Zuko Zuka Conti from ESPN. Zuka great 12 00:00:45,467 --> 00:00:47,787 Speaker 2: to get the chance to chat. The Pumas got back 13 00:00:47,827 --> 00:00:51,267 Speaker 2: to within seven points of the All Blacks last week. 14 00:00:51,307 --> 00:00:54,387 Speaker 2: Did your CeNSE they might be about to claim their 15 00:00:54,467 --> 00:00:56,787 Speaker 2: first win? That a lusive first win over the All 16 00:00:56,787 --> 00:00:59,027 Speaker 2: Blacks on Argentinian soil? 17 00:00:59,747 --> 00:01:03,147 Speaker 3: Him, ed, how are you hopefully for us, hopefully for 18 00:01:03,267 --> 00:01:08,787 Speaker 3: us that when it's coming. It was like yesterday that 19 00:01:08,987 --> 00:01:13,307 Speaker 3: were in Paramatta, then christ sarch Wellington, but all the 20 00:01:13,427 --> 00:01:20,187 Speaker 3: Argentinian rugby fans are waiting for our first home soil victory. 21 00:01:20,987 --> 00:01:24,307 Speaker 3: I think it's going to be very tough because I 22 00:01:24,347 --> 00:01:28,147 Speaker 3: think that the Oil Blacks always from one week to 23 00:01:28,307 --> 00:01:33,027 Speaker 3: the other improve a loge. Sometimes in the same match 24 00:01:33,147 --> 00:01:38,227 Speaker 3: they improve a loge, and of course we are willing 25 00:01:38,307 --> 00:01:41,987 Speaker 3: that Argentina is going to improve to make some I 26 00:01:42,027 --> 00:01:46,867 Speaker 3: think that growns as a team in some specific points 27 00:01:46,947 --> 00:01:49,907 Speaker 3: that are are going to be vital tomorrow. 28 00:01:50,427 --> 00:01:53,987 Speaker 2: What are those specific areas? So where do the mind 29 00:01:54,027 --> 00:01:56,987 Speaker 2: improvements need to come? Where would you like to see 30 00:01:57,307 --> 00:01:59,187 Speaker 2: the improvements come from Argentina. 31 00:02:00,227 --> 00:02:04,387 Speaker 3: From Argentina, I think that it's very important the mindset 32 00:02:04,547 --> 00:02:12,587 Speaker 3: because specifically in the first half, because last year Rugby Championship, 33 00:02:12,667 --> 00:02:17,507 Speaker 3: the three victories came after a comeback because of the 34 00:02:18,427 --> 00:02:23,347 Speaker 3: of going I don't know, but fourteen twenty one points down. 35 00:02:24,667 --> 00:02:30,227 Speaker 3: Last week in Cordova, it was another match where Argentina 36 00:02:30,347 --> 00:02:37,067 Speaker 3: started losing and then the team shows that encouraged to 37 00:02:37,227 --> 00:02:44,067 Speaker 3: go back and go straight into the game. But of 38 00:02:44,107 --> 00:02:47,187 Speaker 3: course the mindset to be in the game since the 39 00:02:47,907 --> 00:02:53,547 Speaker 3: kickoff till the end. And then of course the defense 40 00:02:53,947 --> 00:02:57,067 Speaker 3: of the line and the mall because last week three 41 00:02:57,147 --> 00:03:03,547 Speaker 3: tries came came because of the of the line of 42 00:03:03,627 --> 00:03:06,187 Speaker 3: mall of the All Blacks. Of course I want to 43 00:03:06,227 --> 00:03:09,547 Speaker 3: be to watch an improvement there. 44 00:03:10,547 --> 00:03:13,227 Speaker 2: Just the two changes to the Argentina side. Did you 45 00:03:13,307 --> 00:03:16,307 Speaker 2: expect more changes or did that feel about right? 46 00:03:17,667 --> 00:03:17,747 Speaker 1: No? 47 00:03:17,907 --> 00:03:22,507 Speaker 3: I think that it's it's right. Probably I would like 48 00:03:22,627 --> 00:03:26,827 Speaker 3: to see Gido Petty as a starter. I get surprised 49 00:03:26,827 --> 00:03:33,187 Speaker 3: to Giddo being the bench again, but hung on salez 50 00:03:33,307 --> 00:03:35,947 Speaker 3: it's now. I think that it's one of the best 51 00:03:35,947 --> 00:03:40,227 Speaker 3: players in the team. I get surprised last week when 52 00:03:40,307 --> 00:03:43,787 Speaker 3: he was benched and now as a starter. I think 53 00:03:43,827 --> 00:03:46,747 Speaker 3: that in the line out, for example, it's going to 54 00:03:46,787 --> 00:03:54,667 Speaker 3: be so important not to win our own balls, of course, 55 00:03:54,747 --> 00:03:59,547 Speaker 3: to try to steal some All Black balls. And then, 56 00:04:00,027 --> 00:04:03,347 Speaker 3: of course I think that the change of of the 57 00:04:03,787 --> 00:04:07,627 Speaker 3: of Matteo Carreras, I think that it is good, it's 58 00:04:07,747 --> 00:04:12,867 Speaker 3: going to maintain in the team, but the coach choose 59 00:04:12,947 --> 00:04:16,827 Speaker 3: to deligate as a starter and Matteo Carreda's true. So 60 00:04:16,947 --> 00:04:19,387 Speaker 3: I think that that is going to be a point 61 00:04:19,547 --> 00:04:22,707 Speaker 3: where the All Blacks are going to attack because it's 62 00:04:22,787 --> 00:04:27,307 Speaker 3: grow in all the kicking game, it's so important in 63 00:04:27,387 --> 00:04:30,987 Speaker 3: the air battle and without its grow, I think that 64 00:04:31,347 --> 00:04:34,707 Speaker 3: the All Blacks are going to use a lot the 65 00:04:34,707 --> 00:04:38,987 Speaker 3: the kicking game. The kicking, strategy, strategy, where are building buried? 66 00:04:39,067 --> 00:04:42,267 Speaker 3: For example, I think it's it's a master a mastermind. 67 00:04:42,907 --> 00:04:46,027 Speaker 2: What did you think of the All Blacks performance last week? 68 00:04:48,707 --> 00:04:54,027 Speaker 3: It was not fantastic. It was in Argentina we call 69 00:04:54,067 --> 00:04:58,027 Speaker 3: it like pragmatic. It was like a victory world. The 70 00:04:58,067 --> 00:05:01,507 Speaker 3: All Blacks show you the class that the team has 71 00:05:01,307 --> 00:05:06,507 Speaker 3: in the in terms of consistency, in terms of being 72 00:05:07,587 --> 00:05:10,867 Speaker 3: a solid team in the moments that the game need 73 00:05:11,267 --> 00:05:14,107 Speaker 3: a solid mind in the final minutes of the in 74 00:05:14,147 --> 00:05:16,787 Speaker 3: the start, in the final minutes of the first half, 75 00:05:17,187 --> 00:05:19,987 Speaker 3: in the final minutes of the of the game. I 76 00:05:20,027 --> 00:05:24,027 Speaker 3: don't know, but probably when you have an advantage of 77 00:05:24,227 --> 00:05:27,907 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five points, your mind relaxed a little bit. 78 00:05:28,067 --> 00:05:32,707 Speaker 3: So Argentina come back. But when Argentina put near seven points, 79 00:05:33,027 --> 00:05:37,867 Speaker 3: the Oil Blacks the push the celebrator again and they 80 00:05:37,907 --> 00:05:41,547 Speaker 3: go back again with his game. They don't choose to 81 00:05:42,027 --> 00:05:45,267 Speaker 3: go to the polls. They go to the line out 82 00:05:45,387 --> 00:05:50,907 Speaker 3: because they watch and I think that in a good 83 00:05:50,947 --> 00:05:54,947 Speaker 3: decision that there is a point to exploit. So, I 84 00:05:54,987 --> 00:05:58,667 Speaker 3: don't know, we always hear in Argentina admire the Oil 85 00:05:58,667 --> 00:06:03,907 Speaker 3: Blacks game. We probably will learn a lot about playing 86 00:06:03,947 --> 00:06:06,907 Speaker 3: against the oil Blacks. And for example, today I make 87 00:06:07,267 --> 00:06:11,107 Speaker 3: an interview with Pablo Mattea that you know a lot 88 00:06:11,147 --> 00:06:14,627 Speaker 3: because Pablo plays there in christ and one season with 89 00:06:14,707 --> 00:06:18,987 Speaker 3: the Crusaders, and Pablo told me that in the last 90 00:06:19,027 --> 00:06:23,747 Speaker 3: game he learned more about rugby and the oil blocks 91 00:06:24,067 --> 00:06:27,987 Speaker 3: that in the other eighteen that they play against the 92 00:06:27,987 --> 00:06:32,787 Speaker 3: oil blocks. And because of that, I'm willing that tomorrow 93 00:06:32,867 --> 00:06:35,147 Speaker 3: the Argentina team is it's going to prove a lot. 94 00:06:35,427 --> 00:06:40,227 Speaker 2: Wow, that is great insight from Pablo Materea. So Parametta, 95 00:06:40,507 --> 00:06:44,587 Speaker 2: christ Church, Wellington? Are we going to add Buena series? 96 00:06:44,707 --> 00:06:46,667 Speaker 2: Is it finally going to happen? Zuka? 97 00:06:48,467 --> 00:06:51,307 Speaker 3: Hopefully? I don't know. It's always a dream. I remember 98 00:06:51,467 --> 00:06:55,387 Speaker 3: being in Paramatta going in the car to the stadium 99 00:06:55,707 --> 00:07:00,907 Speaker 3: and some friends write me via what's up? How is 100 00:07:00,907 --> 00:07:04,987 Speaker 3: the team? And with Argentina, with the Pumas, we never 101 00:07:05,107 --> 00:07:08,307 Speaker 3: have a clear view about how is the team. The 102 00:07:08,387 --> 00:07:12,627 Speaker 3: team probably when the game starts with we take there 103 00:07:13,707 --> 00:07:16,627 Speaker 3: the real sensation about how is the team. I think 104 00:07:16,667 --> 00:07:20,587 Speaker 3: that if Argentina it's good in the contact, I think 105 00:07:20,587 --> 00:07:23,507 Speaker 3: that the all tomorrow, for example, they are going to 106 00:07:23,547 --> 00:07:28,947 Speaker 3: start playing straight, going body to body to body. So 107 00:07:29,027 --> 00:07:33,827 Speaker 3: if Argentina. It's physical physically, they are in the in 108 00:07:33,907 --> 00:07:36,827 Speaker 3: the battle. Probably we are going to be near in 109 00:07:36,867 --> 00:07:41,427 Speaker 3: the match. And then it's some deitiles being good in 110 00:07:41,507 --> 00:07:46,667 Speaker 3: the with the kicking, with the points. I remember the 111 00:07:47,027 --> 00:07:50,747 Speaker 3: game in scritered a million of Aiu with his right foot 112 00:07:51,227 --> 00:07:56,227 Speaker 3: in Paramatta, Nico Santez. We need an inspirational game of 113 00:07:56,347 --> 00:08:03,787 Speaker 3: the kicker, good, good performance of the important players and 114 00:08:04,227 --> 00:08:06,947 Speaker 3: always a little bit of good luck. 115 00:08:08,787 --> 00:08:11,307 Speaker 2: Wonderful to talk with you again, Zuka, thank you for 116 00:08:11,387 --> 00:08:12,827 Speaker 2: joining us. Enjoy the game. 117 00:08:13,907 --> 00:08:16,547 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, and you enjoyed the game too. 118 00:08:16,947 --> 00:08:19,867 Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure and a plever lessure for us 119 00:08:20,307 --> 00:08:21,587 Speaker 3: playing against the old blocks. 120 00:08:21,587 --> 00:08:24,427 Speaker 2: No wonderful stuff, Souca, thanks so much. 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