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Speaker 1: Could the worst of the brain train be over? Are

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Speaker 1: we actually a nice place to live? Are people wanting

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Speaker 1: to stay? And are people coming? Well? Stat's New Zealand

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Speaker 1: figures for October so the migrant arrivals were up seven

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Speaker 1: percent on last year, migrant departures down fourteen percent. People

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Speaker 1: are coming and people are staying. The monthly net migration

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Speaker 1: gain was three thy six hundred compared to a gain

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Speaker 1: of sixteen hundred in September. So e emeritus professor and

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Speaker 1: Massa University sociologist Paul Soon Paul spoon Lee excuse me,

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Speaker 1: joins me this morning. Mording to you, Paul, is that

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Speaker 1: it is at the end of their brain drain, you know.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Andrews. Yes, we've turned a bit of a corner,

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Speaker 2: it appears. So I'm optimistic that we're beginning to see

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Speaker 2: it plateauing, if not turning around.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so first let's look at the migrant arrivals up

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Speaker 1: seven percent. Where are these people coming from and why

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Speaker 1: are they coming?

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Speaker 2: The big three countries are India, China, and the Philippines.

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Speaker 2: In their order, Indian arrivals tend to dominate most fees

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Speaker 2: of categories. I would say one thing about the Chinese arrivals,

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Speaker 2: and that is, for every two Chinese that come to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, one returns to China. So that's not quite

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Speaker 2: the turnaround for some of the other groups. The Filipinos

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Speaker 2: are big and we certainly have seen them arrive in

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Speaker 2: numbers in the last decade. There is one very interesting

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Speaker 2: bit to all of this, and that is that in

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Speaker 2: terms of UK migrants, we're seeing more leaves than arrive.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go to the migrant departures of people

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Speaker 1: running away from this place down fourteen percent. So does

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Speaker 1: this mean that they can see better times around the corner?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. I think so. There is a butt, Andrew,

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Speaker 2: and the butt is the New Zealanders. So we're still

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Speaker 2: seeing more than seventy thousand New Zealanders leave on a

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Speaker 2: twelve month cycle, and that loss is still hanging around

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Speaker 2: that forty five thousand mark. So the pull of Australia

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Speaker 2: is still very very strong, but in terms of migrants

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Speaker 2: non New Zealand migrant departures, that's looking a bit healthier.

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Speaker 1: Well, a bit of good news for this Thursday morning,

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Speaker 1: and I thank you so much Professor Paul Spinley.

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