1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,013 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:15,213 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,373 --> 00:00:22,453 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Take another pat, now'll get in. 4 00:00:22,893 --> 00:00:25,893 Speaker 2: It's a trick, it is out. The test is over. 5 00:00:28,133 --> 00:00:30,373 Speaker 2: Couldn'tess makes a beauty? 6 00:00:30,413 --> 00:00:32,493 Speaker 3: It is out and hearing guys. 7 00:00:32,573 --> 00:00:33,573 Speaker 2: This delivery has. 8 00:00:33,533 --> 00:00:35,093 Speaker 3: In the users before. 9 00:00:37,253 --> 00:00:40,613 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney, 10 00:00:40,933 --> 00:00:44,853 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head B at iHeartRadio. 11 00:00:48,333 --> 00:00:51,013 Speaker 2: Hello on the Front Foot? Will you again keeping an 12 00:00:51,053 --> 00:00:53,973 Speaker 2: eye on the World Tea? Twenty one week into it, 13 00:00:54,293 --> 00:00:57,413 Speaker 2: black Caps stumble at the first turtle? Was it punishment 14 00:00:57,493 --> 00:01:01,133 Speaker 2: for a lack of match preparation? The Americans produced the 15 00:01:01,173 --> 00:01:05,893 Speaker 2: surprise of the tournament so far, Doubting Pakistan but god 16 00:01:06,013 --> 00:01:08,773 Speaker 2: he's there, but just take a prices come under the 17 00:01:08,853 --> 00:01:13,533 Speaker 2: microscope and the Whitebirds, well they've made a significant choice 18 00:01:13,573 --> 00:01:17,413 Speaker 2: for their England tour. Former Black Cap bat batting coach 19 00:01:17,893 --> 00:01:21,453 Speaker 2: Craig McMillan is going to be with them. Interesting change. 20 00:01:21,813 --> 00:01:24,973 Speaker 2: Garth Galliley and Jeremy Cody with me. That was difficult 21 00:01:25,013 --> 00:01:28,453 Speaker 2: watching a Black Cap side performing as poorly as they did. 22 00:01:29,333 --> 00:01:32,133 Speaker 2: They were lack class. Dame Garth, you know we talked 23 00:01:32,133 --> 00:01:33,813 Speaker 2: about it leading up to this. You've got to have 24 00:01:33,893 --> 00:01:35,973 Speaker 2: some preparations, you've got to be ready to go from 25 00:01:35,973 --> 00:01:39,733 Speaker 2: ball one. They were very ordinary playing that opening game 26 00:01:39,773 --> 00:01:42,133 Speaker 2: against deff Gellison and they under restraate Afghanistan. 27 00:01:42,573 --> 00:01:45,133 Speaker 4: That was my impresson Brian and the last time we 28 00:01:45,133 --> 00:01:48,213 Speaker 4: were together doing the podcast, we just talked about the 29 00:01:48,253 --> 00:01:51,493 Speaker 4: need for good preparation and that New Zealand seemed to 30 00:01:51,533 --> 00:01:54,693 Speaker 4: be taking a significant risk by going into this tournament 31 00:01:54,693 --> 00:01:56,773 Speaker 4: without other build up and I'm afraid they got They 32 00:01:56,773 --> 00:01:58,933 Speaker 4: got caught out by it very badly yesterday by a 33 00:01:59,053 --> 00:02:02,693 Speaker 4: very good, f gunny side. I mean the Afghanistan side. 34 00:02:03,373 --> 00:02:07,293 Speaker 4: They just looked completely switched on and I thought the 35 00:02:07,333 --> 00:02:10,453 Speaker 4: New Zealand side looked bewildered. And as you say, I 36 00:02:10,493 --> 00:02:14,853 Speaker 4: mean the question is did we underestimate Afghanistan. I suppose 37 00:02:15,453 --> 00:02:18,173 Speaker 4: New Zealand will come out and say we were outplayed 38 00:02:18,413 --> 00:02:21,653 Speaker 4: and we didn't, but my impression was that we did 39 00:02:22,013 --> 00:02:24,573 Speaker 4: and we were quite wrong to. We only need to 40 00:02:24,573 --> 00:02:27,053 Speaker 4: look back at the you know, the Cricket World Cup 41 00:02:27,053 --> 00:02:30,733 Speaker 4: in India last year where Afghanistan scored two hundred and 42 00:02:30,773 --> 00:02:34,973 Speaker 4: ninety one for five against against Australia and Ibraham of 43 00:02:34,973 --> 00:02:36,813 Speaker 4: course scored one hundred and twenty nine not out in 44 00:02:36,893 --> 00:02:39,693 Speaker 4: that match and they had Australia ninety one for seven 45 00:02:39,773 --> 00:02:42,053 Speaker 4: before Maxwell came in and scored a double century. So 46 00:02:42,573 --> 00:02:44,613 Speaker 4: you know that should have been enough to tell them 47 00:02:44,613 --> 00:02:46,933 Speaker 4: that they are a very good side. And you know, 48 00:02:46,973 --> 00:02:50,893 Speaker 4: we talk a lot about this Afghanistan spin attack, but 49 00:02:50,973 --> 00:02:53,733 Speaker 4: I thought they're swing and seam bowlers yesterday were outstanding. 50 00:02:54,173 --> 00:02:57,333 Speaker 4: New Zealand completely outplayed and I thought they were embarrassing. 51 00:02:57,653 --> 00:03:00,733 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jerry, you know, we love to watch the 52 00:03:00,773 --> 00:03:03,933 Speaker 2: New Zealand side performing well and we've enjoyed them over 53 00:03:03,933 --> 00:03:06,173 Speaker 2: a long period of time, but that was hard to 54 00:03:06,253 --> 00:03:08,733 Speaker 2: watch the whole style of play. 55 00:03:09,013 --> 00:03:12,413 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, well done Afghanistan. I'm with Garth in that matter. 56 00:03:14,253 --> 00:03:17,013 Speaker 5: A competitive total not out of the realm, was it 57 00:03:17,053 --> 00:03:20,053 Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty nine, but with the help from 58 00:03:20,093 --> 00:03:23,773 Speaker 5: the opposition errors really to get to that sort of total. 59 00:03:24,493 --> 00:03:27,733 Speaker 5: And then they use their bowling weapons and they're not 60 00:03:27,933 --> 00:03:32,133 Speaker 5: as garthsa is just one dimensional with spinners only. I mean, 61 00:03:32,213 --> 00:03:37,493 Speaker 5: Farouki and Navin Alhak are very good medium fast bowlers, 62 00:03:37,533 --> 00:03:42,653 Speaker 5: swing bowlers, good slower balls, have all the Armory play 63 00:03:42,733 --> 00:03:46,413 Speaker 5: lots of T twenty format cricket. They don't play many 64 00:03:46,453 --> 00:03:50,413 Speaker 5: Tests Afghanistan. I think they might have had three, so 65 00:03:50,453 --> 00:03:54,693 Speaker 5: they really concentrate their efforts in the T twenty format 66 00:03:54,733 --> 00:03:59,093 Speaker 5: and play in the stronger franchised ones too, ipl you know, 67 00:03:59,573 --> 00:04:05,653 Speaker 5: Big Bash, those sorts of franchise games. So they are 68 00:04:05,893 --> 00:04:09,893 Speaker 5: very competitive bowling unit and that proved to be the 69 00:04:09,893 --> 00:04:12,653 Speaker 5: same yesterday. They didn't even have one of their main bowlers, 70 00:04:12,733 --> 00:04:16,693 Speaker 5: Muji Rahman, did they who normally opens the bowling for them. 71 00:04:17,133 --> 00:04:21,773 Speaker 5: So yeah, well done to them. And the thing, you know, 72 00:04:22,813 --> 00:04:25,493 Speaker 5: I guess the magnitude of the loss for New Zealand 73 00:04:25,533 --> 00:04:30,013 Speaker 5: will will shake them a bit. It'll shake every player 74 00:04:30,453 --> 00:04:33,373 Speaker 5: and it should shake every coach as well. So we're 75 00:04:33,413 --> 00:04:36,373 Speaker 5: you know, I'm sure you know we can either go 76 00:04:36,493 --> 00:04:39,933 Speaker 5: through dissecting all the batting failures and things like that 77 00:04:40,013 --> 00:04:44,813 Speaker 5: and decision making about them. But the general what you've 78 00:04:44,853 --> 00:04:48,893 Speaker 5: talked about, I would just a lack of international intensity. 79 00:04:48,973 --> 00:04:53,253 Speaker 5: I would call it kind of a general malaise. I 80 00:04:53,253 --> 00:04:56,533 Speaker 5: don't mean overhype. They're not over hyped. They just they 81 00:04:56,573 --> 00:04:59,013 Speaker 5: just need more focus on each ball to do your job. 82 00:04:59,853 --> 00:05:03,293 Speaker 2: The fielding was the area That really annoyed me because 83 00:05:03,373 --> 00:05:06,373 Speaker 2: we have prided ourselves. As Cain Williamson said in the 84 00:05:06,373 --> 00:05:11,013 Speaker 2: postmatch acknowledging we were outplayed, but he was frustrated at 85 00:05:11,013 --> 00:05:13,533 Speaker 2: the fielding. Well, you know, Cain Williamson can't do a 86 00:05:13,613 --> 00:05:15,893 Speaker 2: lot about that, But as a team, you can do 87 00:05:15,933 --> 00:05:18,493 Speaker 2: a lot about it, can't you. You've got to really 88 00:05:18,613 --> 00:05:21,573 Speaker 2: do the hard yards out in the field, drop catches, 89 00:05:22,813 --> 00:05:25,333 Speaker 2: you know, poor throws in from the outset. You talked 90 00:05:25,333 --> 00:05:28,133 Speaker 2: about it, Jerry when we had Conway as the keeper. 91 00:05:28,173 --> 00:05:31,813 Speaker 2: He trying to gather some pretty awkward throws coming and 92 00:05:31,813 --> 00:05:33,693 Speaker 2: I know they like to bounce it in down, rough 93 00:05:33,773 --> 00:05:36,093 Speaker 2: up the ball and all that sort of stuff. That's 94 00:05:36,133 --> 00:05:38,373 Speaker 2: all part of the technics of the game. But that 95 00:05:38,533 --> 00:05:42,413 Speaker 2: fielding to me was below what I expect from a 96 00:05:42,493 --> 00:05:45,133 Speaker 2: New Zealand side and what we've seen in the past 97 00:05:45,173 --> 00:05:45,613 Speaker 2: from them. 98 00:05:45,973 --> 00:05:48,333 Speaker 4: It was and it was in a key area. I think, 99 00:05:48,373 --> 00:05:51,213 Speaker 4: Brian we talked about how and I think we all 100 00:05:51,253 --> 00:05:54,373 Speaker 4: agreed before the tournament that Conway should not be the 101 00:05:54,453 --> 00:05:56,533 Speaker 4: keeper for New Zealand. And for me there were two 102 00:05:56,573 --> 00:05:58,773 Speaker 4: reasons for that. One I don't think he's good enough 103 00:05:59,213 --> 00:06:02,973 Speaker 4: and two I think it exposes him to injury, and 104 00:06:03,013 --> 00:06:05,773 Speaker 4: he's been such an important part of the betting lineup, 105 00:06:05,773 --> 00:06:09,253 Speaker 4: and of course he broke his some against Australia, so 106 00:06:09,773 --> 00:06:12,213 Speaker 4: we've seen the vulnerability that can happen with him with 107 00:06:12,253 --> 00:06:18,013 Speaker 4: the gloves. Now he missed Gerbaz on twelve. It was 108 00:06:18,053 --> 00:06:21,453 Speaker 4: a difficult chance as Goebaz came down the pitch to 109 00:06:21,533 --> 00:06:24,253 Speaker 4: Sant and drove it a ball. He got an inside edge, 110 00:06:24,413 --> 00:06:27,093 Speaker 4: but there was an opportunity for a cat's or a stumping. 111 00:06:27,173 --> 00:06:29,973 Speaker 4: He was out of his ground. He then we then 112 00:06:30,013 --> 00:06:33,693 Speaker 4: saw Abraham being dropped on thirteen by Allan inexplicably on 113 00:06:33,693 --> 00:06:36,813 Speaker 4: the squarely boundary, just an absolute lolly that went straight 114 00:06:36,853 --> 00:06:39,453 Speaker 4: into him and hit him in the chest, barely got 115 00:06:39,453 --> 00:06:42,053 Speaker 4: a hand in it. And then of course we had 116 00:06:42,093 --> 00:06:45,693 Speaker 4: Gourbez again, the key batsman who scored eighty and batted 117 00:06:45,813 --> 00:06:49,853 Speaker 4: very well, being missed in a run out by Conway, 118 00:06:50,653 --> 00:06:52,813 Speaker 4: and that was of course the one where he played 119 00:06:52,853 --> 00:06:55,253 Speaker 4: Satin at a short thirred man. Henry picked up the 120 00:06:55,293 --> 00:06:57,853 Speaker 4: ball and it was just to the left of Conway. 121 00:06:57,933 --> 00:07:00,013 Speaker 4: I thought Conway was in a bad position. He was 122 00:07:00,053 --> 00:07:02,933 Speaker 4: standing to the side of the stumps. He took the 123 00:07:02,933 --> 00:07:05,333 Speaker 4: ball and dropped it and there was a runout that 124 00:07:05,373 --> 00:07:08,733 Speaker 4: should have been effected. So at that stage they were 125 00:07:08,733 --> 00:07:11,573 Speaker 4: thirty nine without loss, you know, so chances of twenty nine, 126 00:07:11,733 --> 00:07:14,933 Speaker 4: thirty three and thirty nine altmist and then on t 127 00:07:15,293 --> 00:07:18,133 Speaker 4: firfty two of course fifty two without loss. We saw 128 00:07:18,173 --> 00:07:21,453 Speaker 4: Abraham being dropped for the second time by Williamson at 129 00:07:21,493 --> 00:07:27,013 Speaker 4: mid off. It was inexplicably bad. But that decision, which 130 00:07:27,453 --> 00:07:31,053 Speaker 4: again what he said was wrong before the tournament started, 131 00:07:31,093 --> 00:07:34,613 Speaker 4: that decision to play Conway as keeper has cost them dearly. 132 00:07:34,973 --> 00:07:36,653 Speaker 4: The cost in this match, I think. 133 00:07:37,253 --> 00:07:38,013 Speaker 3: Garth rang me. 134 00:07:38,093 --> 00:07:41,493 Speaker 5: Actually I've been up in Orphan looking at my grandchildren 135 00:07:41,533 --> 00:07:42,413 Speaker 5: watching their sport. 136 00:07:42,733 --> 00:07:45,173 Speaker 3: Was yesterday Garth rang me. 137 00:07:45,213 --> 00:07:49,773 Speaker 5: While I was watching hockey, Little Clem was playing, and 138 00:07:49,293 --> 00:07:53,173 Speaker 5: he was actually pushing his own place as keeper in 139 00:07:53,253 --> 00:07:55,653 Speaker 5: the New Zealand side, because he felt that he could 140 00:07:55,693 --> 00:07:58,573 Speaker 5: do just as well as Conway and was making himself 141 00:07:58,573 --> 00:08:00,573 Speaker 5: available at the last. 142 00:08:00,333 --> 00:08:02,893 Speaker 3: Minute to take hold. 143 00:08:03,053 --> 00:08:09,133 Speaker 5: Perhaps Clementine Omer darling Clementine and she about sort of 144 00:08:09,253 --> 00:08:10,573 Speaker 5: nine nine or ten. 145 00:08:12,973 --> 00:08:13,693 Speaker 3: It might be right. 146 00:08:14,293 --> 00:08:19,453 Speaker 5: But I agree about the fielding. They didn't look much ready. 147 00:08:19,653 --> 00:08:23,493 Speaker 5: I wonder whether they have actually had catches and practiced 148 00:08:23,533 --> 00:08:27,253 Speaker 5: catching under lights at that venue. I would say not, 149 00:08:29,213 --> 00:08:33,453 Speaker 5: they'd have to organize it. But you know, I just 150 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:37,693 Speaker 5: felt finale and he was beaten and surprised by the 151 00:08:37,693 --> 00:08:40,093 Speaker 5: pace of the ball. He just didn't triangulate on the 152 00:08:40,133 --> 00:08:42,573 Speaker 5: ball that was through his hands and as you say, 153 00:08:42,613 --> 00:08:46,853 Speaker 5: into his chest. And we've seen fielding and accuracy's wads 154 00:08:46,893 --> 00:08:50,893 Speaker 5: for some time with the side. They are slowly lowering 155 00:08:50,933 --> 00:08:55,293 Speaker 5: their standards. You think of Australia the last day, first 156 00:08:55,693 --> 00:08:57,933 Speaker 5: just in just in the sort of the ring area 157 00:08:58,053 --> 00:09:01,413 Speaker 5: that you know, Ravindra put a catch down and then 158 00:09:01,493 --> 00:09:04,373 Speaker 5: marsh went on to make about sixty or seventy. We 159 00:09:04,533 --> 00:09:09,053 Speaker 5: saw catchers drop that slip you know by Mitchell. You 160 00:09:09,093 --> 00:09:13,093 Speaker 5: know we are dropping catchers regularly now. And I don't 161 00:09:13,173 --> 00:09:18,253 Speaker 5: know who the fielding coaches is there one, but there 162 00:09:18,133 --> 00:09:19,173 Speaker 5: are certainly. 163 00:09:20,213 --> 00:09:20,453 Speaker 3: Yeah. 164 00:09:20,653 --> 00:09:24,253 Speaker 5: Well you know that you've got the gloves, Yeah, is 165 00:09:24,293 --> 00:09:24,933 Speaker 5: it okay? 166 00:09:24,973 --> 00:09:26,253 Speaker 3: Well you know. 167 00:09:28,213 --> 00:09:30,293 Speaker 5: You got the you got the gloves on. You can 168 00:09:30,333 --> 00:09:33,573 Speaker 5: take a ball at shoulder height. You might say to 169 00:09:33,613 --> 00:09:37,613 Speaker 5: yourselvit was a bit high, but you got the gloves on. 170 00:09:37,693 --> 00:09:38,893 Speaker 3: You're an international keeper. 171 00:09:38,933 --> 00:09:40,933 Speaker 5: You take that and you break the stumps and you 172 00:09:40,973 --> 00:09:45,173 Speaker 5: affect a pretty regular chance for a running don't you. 173 00:09:46,173 --> 00:09:52,053 Speaker 2: The the issue of team work together and playing as 174 00:09:52,093 --> 00:09:54,333 Speaker 2: a team. And it's all very well to practice in 175 00:09:54,373 --> 00:09:56,253 Speaker 2: the nets. There's no pressure in the nets, is there. 176 00:09:56,413 --> 00:09:59,053 Speaker 2: You just put the stump back in and and you 177 00:09:59,173 --> 00:10:03,093 Speaker 2: play another shot. But the pressure and the situation of 178 00:10:03,093 --> 00:10:06,613 Speaker 2: a team game and playing teams you work together, and 179 00:10:06,693 --> 00:10:11,093 Speaker 2: I just didn't see that you within the fielding effort. 180 00:10:11,133 --> 00:10:14,213 Speaker 2: It was eleven players running around in the outfield, all 181 00:10:14,253 --> 00:10:17,893 Speaker 2: those sorts of things. Why you have warm up games? 182 00:10:18,173 --> 00:10:22,093 Speaker 2: I made of mind. We're talking about it, and he 183 00:10:22,173 --> 00:10:24,413 Speaker 2: basically said, with the All Blacks go to an international 184 00:10:24,453 --> 00:10:29,093 Speaker 2: tournament without having a prep game, With the Sevens go 185 00:10:29,253 --> 00:10:32,533 Speaker 2: to the Olympic Games without having a preparation game or two. 186 00:10:32,933 --> 00:10:36,613 Speaker 2: I mean, those sorts of things are paramount, don't they. 187 00:10:37,053 --> 00:10:39,613 Speaker 3: It was a very very messy build up, wasn't it. 188 00:10:40,493 --> 00:10:43,613 Speaker 5: You know when you think those sending players back from 189 00:10:43,653 --> 00:10:46,533 Speaker 5: the IPL to be with their families for a few moments, 190 00:10:47,093 --> 00:10:50,773 Speaker 5: and then people arriving at different times from all sorts 191 00:10:50,773 --> 00:10:55,053 Speaker 5: of places, no warm up games, practices interrupted by rain. 192 00:10:55,933 --> 00:10:59,373 Speaker 5: Did they replace those practices with something with some intensity? 193 00:10:59,773 --> 00:11:00,693 Speaker 3: That's what you've got to have. 194 00:11:00,733 --> 00:11:03,093 Speaker 5: You've got to get that level of intensity about your 195 00:11:03,133 --> 00:11:08,133 Speaker 5: practice and so yeah, I mean Australia did, and they 196 00:11:08,373 --> 00:11:12,213 Speaker 5: us coaches a coaching staff to make up the numbers. 197 00:11:12,813 --> 00:11:15,493 Speaker 5: They were going to have a hell bent to have 198 00:11:15,573 --> 00:11:17,453 Speaker 5: some match played before this tournament. 199 00:11:18,453 --> 00:11:22,853 Speaker 2: Yeah. The point is, and we understand that families are 200 00:11:22,893 --> 00:11:24,733 Speaker 2: important and that players have to have spend time with 201 00:11:24,773 --> 00:11:27,973 Speaker 2: their families, but they are professional cricketers and this is 202 00:11:27,973 --> 00:11:33,453 Speaker 2: an international tournament. Surely they can make their plans slightly 203 00:11:33,493 --> 00:11:36,373 Speaker 2: differently when it comes to family time. And I'm not 204 00:11:36,613 --> 00:11:39,373 Speaker 2: knocking the fact that they're spending time with their families, 205 00:11:39,413 --> 00:11:42,093 Speaker 2: because people will get up in arms about that sort 206 00:11:42,093 --> 00:11:46,773 Speaker 2: of issue. But they've known when this tournament was New 207 00:11:46,853 --> 00:11:50,373 Speaker 2: Zealand cricketers none and these players have been at the 208 00:11:50,373 --> 00:11:53,853 Speaker 2: IPL hardly playing any crickets. And I'm glad they're getting 209 00:11:53,853 --> 00:11:56,733 Speaker 2: the money for it, but you know, this is New 210 00:11:56,773 --> 00:12:01,613 Speaker 2: Zealand represented at an international tournament and I just don't 211 00:12:01,653 --> 00:12:02,453 Speaker 2: think that's good enough. 212 00:12:03,413 --> 00:12:06,093 Speaker 4: Well, you think about how I think you look. Ben 213 00:12:06,413 --> 00:12:10,853 Speaker 4: Ond's about how it manifested itself. So so you know 214 00:12:11,053 --> 00:12:12,773 Speaker 4: what difference did it make? Well, it made a lot 215 00:12:12,813 --> 00:12:14,573 Speaker 4: of difference. And those are the things that we're talking 216 00:12:14,613 --> 00:12:18,813 Speaker 4: about those simple mistakes. You saw Afghanistan who were absolutely 217 00:12:18,893 --> 00:12:21,973 Speaker 4: drilled into New Zealand from the start. You know, I 218 00:12:22,013 --> 00:12:24,653 Speaker 4: thought that their batting was measured at the top of 219 00:12:24,693 --> 00:12:27,733 Speaker 4: the order, that they didn't smash the ball around because 220 00:12:27,733 --> 00:12:30,173 Speaker 4: they weren't able to in those conditions. One of the 221 00:12:30,213 --> 00:12:31,973 Speaker 4: things that we're seeing in the tournament, I think, and 222 00:12:31,973 --> 00:12:34,973 Speaker 4: it's happening in both the USA and in the West Indies, 223 00:12:35,133 --> 00:12:37,653 Speaker 4: is that the ball is swinging around quite a lot, 224 00:12:37,733 --> 00:12:39,853 Speaker 4: and it's also carrying on off the pits. There's quite 225 00:12:39,853 --> 00:12:42,573 Speaker 4: a lot of scene movement and that means, you know, 226 00:12:42,613 --> 00:12:44,853 Speaker 4: for me that the batsmen had to change their approach. 227 00:12:44,973 --> 00:12:49,293 Speaker 4: So you're not seeing in the IPL you're seeing sometimes 228 00:12:49,333 --> 00:12:52,773 Speaker 4: sixty seventy eighty ninety runs scored in the power play. 229 00:12:52,813 --> 00:12:54,773 Speaker 4: We're not seeing anything like that in this tournament at 230 00:12:54,813 --> 00:12:57,613 Speaker 4: the moment. And the sides who are adjusting are the 231 00:12:57,653 --> 00:13:00,173 Speaker 4: ones who are doing well in New Zealand to me. 232 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:03,413 Speaker 4: You know, we saw Ellen come out and as they 233 00:13:03,493 --> 00:13:05,733 Speaker 4: said on Krikinfoe, he tried to hit the ball into 234 00:13:05,773 --> 00:13:08,933 Speaker 4: the ocean first ball. I mean, it was a creatibly 235 00:13:08,973 --> 00:13:12,373 Speaker 4: full of shot in those conditions. Again, if we look 236 00:13:12,373 --> 00:13:15,373 Speaker 4: at how things manifest themselves. I thought that bowl pretty 237 00:13:15,373 --> 00:13:18,013 Speaker 4: well two for twenty two. He was on the money 238 00:13:18,053 --> 00:13:19,773 Speaker 4: and he's a player who's been playing a lot in 239 00:13:19,813 --> 00:13:23,093 Speaker 4: the IPL. Henry, I thought, just bowl too short when 240 00:13:23,133 --> 00:13:26,173 Speaker 4: he was getting a movement, you know, you want to see. 241 00:13:26,413 --> 00:13:28,733 Speaker 4: I think the bowlers who are in rhythm and who've 242 00:13:28,773 --> 00:13:30,733 Speaker 4: had a good build up when the ball is moving 243 00:13:30,733 --> 00:13:33,053 Speaker 4: around as it is, they pitched the ball up a 244 00:13:33,053 --> 00:13:36,373 Speaker 4: lot more. Otherwise, I think Henry gave the batsman too much, 245 00:13:36,893 --> 00:13:41,253 Speaker 4: too much work really and too much length, too short. 246 00:13:41,293 --> 00:13:44,053 Speaker 4: Satner and I thought bold well brace well three overs 247 00:13:44,093 --> 00:13:46,773 Speaker 4: nine to twenty seven got smacked, but Ferguson was okay. 248 00:13:46,813 --> 00:13:51,093 Speaker 4: But again, if we the fielding mistakes show that they 249 00:13:51,133 --> 00:13:53,293 Speaker 4: weren't in the zone and that build up has not 250 00:13:53,413 --> 00:13:56,773 Speaker 4: been satisfactory. Jerry, you talked about how much training they 251 00:13:56,773 --> 00:13:58,893 Speaker 4: did under light. It's my understanding is that they had 252 00:13:58,933 --> 00:14:03,333 Speaker 4: one session and I heard Became Williamson talking about you 253 00:14:03,373 --> 00:14:06,573 Speaker 4: know that they have to they get allocated time, so 254 00:14:06,613 --> 00:14:10,133 Speaker 4: they get what they get and again you would know 255 00:14:10,253 --> 00:14:12,373 Speaker 4: all of that going into the tournament, so you know 256 00:14:12,413 --> 00:14:15,053 Speaker 4: what preparation you have to do before you get there. 257 00:14:15,493 --> 00:14:17,693 Speaker 4: I thought one of the other things. That was absolutely 258 00:14:17,693 --> 00:14:20,413 Speaker 4: extraordinary in this New Zealand performance. And I was yelling 259 00:14:20,493 --> 00:14:22,973 Speaker 4: at the at the TV when it happened, was that 260 00:14:23,493 --> 00:14:26,013 Speaker 4: Williams and brought Mitchell on to bowl the nineteenth over. 261 00:14:26,693 --> 00:14:31,413 Speaker 4: That that was just bizarre and sixteen runs came off it. Again. 262 00:14:31,453 --> 00:14:34,093 Speaker 4: You know, Mitchell's done very limited bowling and international T 263 00:14:34,093 --> 00:14:36,413 Speaker 4: twenty stuff, strange things. 264 00:14:36,733 --> 00:14:40,133 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the That was the decision to complete 265 00:14:40,253 --> 00:14:43,333 Speaker 5: Bracewell's compliment, wasn't it. When he went for that he 266 00:14:43,373 --> 00:14:46,133 Speaker 5: went he was hit for three sixers I think in 267 00:14:46,173 --> 00:14:49,573 Speaker 5: his third over, and he was a bit reluctant to 268 00:14:49,733 --> 00:14:53,093 Speaker 5: use him again, but he left it so late and 269 00:14:53,373 --> 00:14:55,933 Speaker 5: as you say, the nineteenth over to bring just one 270 00:14:56,013 --> 00:14:58,293 Speaker 5: over from Mitchell, that was a you know, it was 271 00:14:58,333 --> 00:15:00,373 Speaker 5: a bit desperate, wasn't it. The whole thing had a 272 00:15:00,413 --> 00:15:04,773 Speaker 5: look of it like that. So yeah, things just did 273 00:15:04,773 --> 00:15:07,613 Speaker 5: not go well. And even in the best batting too, 274 00:15:08,333 --> 00:15:11,053 Speaker 5: just felt mistakes were made right from the start. I 275 00:15:12,533 --> 00:15:17,293 Speaker 5: can't understand, you know, someone like Vanellen. You know, I 276 00:15:17,333 --> 00:15:21,693 Speaker 5: didn't think that the ball was swinging aggressively. I didn't 277 00:15:21,693 --> 00:15:25,773 Speaker 5: think it was swinging wildly. It was just shaping gently back. 278 00:15:25,813 --> 00:15:28,933 Speaker 5: It was his first ball, and he was he bowleded 279 00:15:29,133 --> 00:15:33,453 Speaker 5: very full and really it was a regulation left dam 280 00:15:33,773 --> 00:15:36,053 Speaker 5: And you've got Bolt there, surely you know. 281 00:15:36,053 --> 00:15:36,733 Speaker 3: As an opener. 282 00:15:37,093 --> 00:15:40,733 Speaker 5: The opposition have got Feruki that you know that he's 283 00:15:40,773 --> 00:15:42,933 Speaker 5: going to swing it, probably a little bit as much 284 00:15:42,973 --> 00:15:45,373 Speaker 5: as Bolt, but you've got Bolt there to bowl at 285 00:15:45,373 --> 00:15:48,213 Speaker 5: you with a new ball. Come on, pitch it full 286 00:15:48,293 --> 00:15:50,693 Speaker 5: to me, keep it up to me, swing it at me, 287 00:15:51,053 --> 00:15:54,253 Speaker 5: give me some practice. This is part of your surely 288 00:15:54,333 --> 00:15:59,333 Speaker 5: part of your preparation. And you shouldn't be caught by 289 00:15:59,493 --> 00:16:03,293 Speaker 5: surprise trying to hit it into the ocean. You shouldn't 290 00:16:03,293 --> 00:16:06,053 Speaker 5: be caught trying to go too wide with it. It 291 00:16:06,133 --> 00:16:09,293 Speaker 5: just goes down past mid d if anything, or straight 292 00:16:09,333 --> 00:16:12,013 Speaker 5: back at the bowl, so you use the full width 293 00:16:12,013 --> 00:16:15,853 Speaker 5: of your bat. That's pretty basic, isn't it. We want 294 00:16:15,933 --> 00:16:19,413 Speaker 5: someone like fin Allen to bat between twenty four and 295 00:16:19,533 --> 00:16:23,213 Speaker 5: thirty balls. That's all we want from your Finn, not 296 00:16:23,373 --> 00:16:28,173 Speaker 5: one ball. That's very important start to our game. 297 00:16:28,653 --> 00:16:32,293 Speaker 4: Well, Luke Ronky said in something that I saw on 298 00:16:32,333 --> 00:16:36,373 Speaker 4: Instagram before the game, we have to understand our plans 299 00:16:36,813 --> 00:16:40,213 Speaker 4: and their wicket taking balls and the skills they have, 300 00:16:40,933 --> 00:16:44,333 Speaker 4: and we have to back our own style and making 301 00:16:44,333 --> 00:16:47,533 Speaker 4: sure we go out with the full belief and how 302 00:16:47,573 --> 00:16:50,013 Speaker 4: we want to play as a New Zealand cricket team. Well, 303 00:16:50,013 --> 00:16:52,893 Speaker 4: you can try and decipher that, but the point is 304 00:16:53,413 --> 00:16:57,493 Speaker 4: if we have to understand our plans and their wicket 305 00:16:57,533 --> 00:17:01,573 Speaker 4: taking balls. I thought Allan showed an absolute failure to 306 00:17:01,693 --> 00:17:05,773 Speaker 4: understand that. And like you, Jerry, I agree it wasn't 307 00:17:05,813 --> 00:17:09,893 Speaker 4: moving around viciously. But for some of these players, they're 308 00:17:09,933 --> 00:17:12,053 Speaker 4: so used to playing where the ball doesn't move in 309 00:17:12,133 --> 00:17:15,173 Speaker 4: it's so flat and they've got to make adjustments when 310 00:17:15,173 --> 00:17:18,213 Speaker 4: the ball moves around. And that's a test of how 311 00:17:18,253 --> 00:17:20,253 Speaker 4: these guys will go. Now they've got the West Indies 312 00:17:20,253 --> 00:17:24,053 Speaker 4: on Wednesday and they're potentially out of the tournament unless 313 00:17:24,053 --> 00:17:26,293 Speaker 4: they can change things. One of the things I would do, 314 00:17:26,333 --> 00:17:28,573 Speaker 4: I would drop Allen. I'd get revengerin he should have 315 00:17:28,573 --> 00:17:30,613 Speaker 4: played Yester. That wouldn't It wouldn't have made the difference 316 00:17:30,653 --> 00:17:33,533 Speaker 4: between the two teams. But I just think about dropping 317 00:17:33,533 --> 00:17:35,653 Speaker 4: Allen and saying it's just not good enough. And this 318 00:17:35,693 --> 00:17:37,453 Speaker 4: is the message when you need to send You dropped 319 00:17:37,453 --> 00:17:39,453 Speaker 4: a simple catch, you played a terrible shot and you 320 00:17:39,533 --> 00:17:43,733 Speaker 4: contributed nothing, and you've gone will they do that, probably not. 321 00:17:44,533 --> 00:17:48,973 Speaker 2: He's been injured and as recovering from injury, so you 322 00:17:48,973 --> 00:17:52,533 Speaker 2: know that's another person who hasn't been playing a lot 323 00:17:52,533 --> 00:17:54,493 Speaker 2: of cricket, as was the case with a lot of 324 00:17:54,533 --> 00:17:58,413 Speaker 2: these people. The point you make is, yeah, it is 325 00:17:58,453 --> 00:18:00,893 Speaker 2: the West Indies and tournament over. If you don't, wouldn't 326 00:18:00,973 --> 00:18:03,893 Speaker 2: that game? But how do you get it right? Apparently 327 00:18:04,293 --> 00:18:10,533 Speaker 2: the team meeting after the game was one of hard talking. 328 00:18:10,813 --> 00:18:14,133 Speaker 2: That was the words of Luke Ronky. We had long, 329 00:18:14,213 --> 00:18:16,933 Speaker 2: hard discussions. But how do you change it in a 330 00:18:16,933 --> 00:18:18,053 Speaker 2: short space of time. 331 00:18:18,693 --> 00:18:20,893 Speaker 4: Very hard to when you come in with nothing behind you. 332 00:18:21,813 --> 00:18:23,933 Speaker 4: That's the problem. And I think you know the West 333 00:18:23,973 --> 00:18:26,573 Speaker 4: Indies will be licking their lips about playing the side. 334 00:18:27,613 --> 00:18:29,573 Speaker 4: I mean, I think one of the things well, I 335 00:18:29,573 --> 00:18:30,813 Speaker 4: think one of the things you got to think about 336 00:18:30,853 --> 00:18:33,133 Speaker 4: it is do you send a signal that we expect 337 00:18:33,133 --> 00:18:35,813 Speaker 4: more from our plans so you say to Allen you 338 00:18:35,813 --> 00:18:39,773 Speaker 4: can stand down for this match. That's something I would 339 00:18:39,813 --> 00:18:42,973 Speaker 4: certainly think about mentally. How do you do it? I 340 00:18:43,053 --> 00:18:45,373 Speaker 4: think it's very hard. When you watched the comboy at 341 00:18:45,373 --> 00:18:48,773 Speaker 4: the top of the innings and Williamson and Mitchell all 342 00:18:48,813 --> 00:18:52,493 Speaker 4: scratching around seemingly unable when the ball was moving around, 343 00:18:52,653 --> 00:18:54,813 Speaker 4: just to get bat on ball and to push it. 344 00:18:55,933 --> 00:18:58,373 Speaker 4: But I in the gaps and look for ones and 345 00:18:58,413 --> 00:19:00,453 Speaker 4: twos and so on. I think they've got to go 346 00:19:00,573 --> 00:19:03,613 Speaker 4: back to a really basic and simple structure. I think 347 00:19:03,653 --> 00:19:05,853 Speaker 4: if the ball's moving around, you've got to encourage the 348 00:19:05,853 --> 00:19:08,493 Speaker 4: balls to pitch the ball up. Obviously, they have to 349 00:19:08,533 --> 00:19:11,493 Speaker 4: do a lot of work on their fielding, and the batsmen, 350 00:19:11,893 --> 00:19:15,133 Speaker 4: you know, had to stop going. I think for these, 351 00:19:15,653 --> 00:19:17,853 Speaker 4: you know, the all or nothing shots, I think they've 352 00:19:17,893 --> 00:19:20,213 Speaker 4: got to look to get you know, thirty forty fifty 353 00:19:20,253 --> 00:19:23,453 Speaker 4: in the powerplay, not lose too many like it's at 354 00:19:23,453 --> 00:19:25,093 Speaker 4: the top, and see if they can build on that. 355 00:19:26,293 --> 00:19:28,373 Speaker 4: You know, you know, one of the things is I 356 00:19:28,413 --> 00:19:30,653 Speaker 4: say that we're seeing is the balls moving around. So 357 00:19:30,653 --> 00:19:31,933 Speaker 4: they've got to change the plans. 358 00:19:32,653 --> 00:19:35,693 Speaker 5: Look, when you get into situations where either the pitcher 359 00:19:35,773 --> 00:19:39,173 Speaker 5: is doing a little bit and it's difficult to play 360 00:19:39,213 --> 00:19:42,493 Speaker 5: the big shots, you have to rain your game in 361 00:19:42,533 --> 00:19:47,413 Speaker 5: a little bit. You just cannot keep playing wildly irrespective 362 00:19:48,053 --> 00:19:50,533 Speaker 5: of what's happening in front of you. Now, that can 363 00:19:50,573 --> 00:19:52,773 Speaker 5: be up to the bowler if he's doing it well. 364 00:19:52,813 --> 00:19:56,373 Speaker 5: Before a pictures. So it's drifting or it's dropping or 365 00:19:56,453 --> 00:19:59,413 Speaker 5: whatever it is, or when it hits the surface and 366 00:19:59,453 --> 00:20:02,733 Speaker 5: does something you were just and so you start to 367 00:20:02,773 --> 00:20:06,813 Speaker 5: show your craft as a batsman. Now we have got 368 00:20:06,853 --> 00:20:11,133 Speaker 5: those sorts of players, Ah Williamson, Now we have to 369 00:20:11,493 --> 00:20:14,453 Speaker 5: we have to be smart. We've generally been quite a 370 00:20:14,533 --> 00:20:20,613 Speaker 5: smart side in tournaments. We haven't scored towering number of runs, 371 00:20:20,933 --> 00:20:24,893 Speaker 5: but we've got to a total that is competitive and 372 00:20:25,093 --> 00:20:29,893 Speaker 5: fought away and scrapped away and held our catchers. That's 373 00:20:29,933 --> 00:20:32,773 Speaker 5: the way that New Zealand has has got through to 374 00:20:32,853 --> 00:20:37,053 Speaker 5: the second phase of all these t twenty tournaments so 375 00:20:37,293 --> 00:20:40,773 Speaker 5: far that they've played. We're going to probably miss this one, 376 00:20:40,813 --> 00:20:43,693 Speaker 5: I'm thinking. I mean, I would be thinking. Uganda would 377 00:20:43,693 --> 00:20:45,493 Speaker 5: say to themselves we can beat New Zealand. 378 00:20:46,413 --> 00:20:46,973 Speaker 3: You know that. 379 00:20:46,973 --> 00:20:49,973 Speaker 5: That's the way that they played yesterday, New Zealand. So 380 00:20:50,693 --> 00:20:54,973 Speaker 5: look at the thinking yesterday too. Williamson steering a ball 381 00:20:55,013 --> 00:20:59,853 Speaker 5: to slip when presumably he wanted to go to the 382 00:20:59,933 --> 00:21:02,973 Speaker 5: right of slip, but there was a short third manner 383 00:21:03,653 --> 00:21:04,213 Speaker 5: as well. 384 00:21:04,533 --> 00:21:05,373 Speaker 3: What is the point? 385 00:21:05,413 --> 00:21:09,173 Speaker 5: Where's the value of that shot? It shows no power 386 00:21:09,653 --> 00:21:12,973 Speaker 5: coming from the captain. It was a weird stroke. And 387 00:21:13,013 --> 00:21:15,253 Speaker 5: I think Ian Smith said there's a shot of a 388 00:21:15,293 --> 00:21:19,253 Speaker 5: man who hasn't played any cricket recently, and that's absolutely 389 00:21:19,373 --> 00:21:23,333 Speaker 5: right Chapman. You know, when you're facing rushed car and 390 00:21:23,373 --> 00:21:26,453 Speaker 5: you get one dragged down just a little, he plays 391 00:21:26,453 --> 00:21:29,693 Speaker 5: a big sort of pull and its bold. You've got 392 00:21:29,693 --> 00:21:32,533 Speaker 5: to be playing that and say to yourself, what's the 393 00:21:32,653 --> 00:21:36,173 Speaker 5: risk of rushing khn He is a flat quick and 394 00:21:36,213 --> 00:21:38,093 Speaker 5: he's going to skid on at me. He doesn't turn 395 00:21:38,133 --> 00:21:41,133 Speaker 5: the ball wildly, but he's going to skid on at me. 396 00:21:41,453 --> 00:21:44,053 Speaker 5: I'm not going to play those until I'm not he 397 00:21:44,133 --> 00:21:47,013 Speaker 5: only got four. If he was forty four, yes you 398 00:21:47,093 --> 00:21:50,573 Speaker 5: might play the poll shot, but until you get a 399 00:21:50,813 --> 00:21:54,573 Speaker 5: start because you're a main batsman at number six, especially 400 00:21:54,573 --> 00:21:57,253 Speaker 5: when you're four down for twenty or whatever they were 401 00:21:57,293 --> 00:21:59,813 Speaker 5: four for forty, you know you tuck it away for 402 00:21:59,853 --> 00:22:03,773 Speaker 5: a single. I mean that's brain that's brain power. We've 403 00:22:03,813 --> 00:22:07,973 Speaker 5: lost that we've lost that ability to assess situations in 404 00:22:08,013 --> 00:22:11,253 Speaker 5: a game and how you're playing. Isn't that what cricket's about, 405 00:22:11,893 --> 00:22:15,253 Speaker 5: not just going out and slogging and bashing against a 406 00:22:15,293 --> 00:22:19,173 Speaker 5: good team. You cannot bash your way to one hundred 407 00:22:19,213 --> 00:22:21,813 Speaker 5: and eighty and that's all score. One hundred and eighty 408 00:22:21,853 --> 00:22:25,253 Speaker 5: is a good total we're seeing actually in this tournament 409 00:22:25,333 --> 00:22:25,733 Speaker 5: so far. 410 00:22:26,933 --> 00:22:28,333 Speaker 3: How dored age gives you a chance? 411 00:22:32,253 --> 00:22:36,493 Speaker 2: Yeah, the England Australia game. Australia two hundred, didn't they 412 00:22:36,853 --> 00:22:40,293 Speaker 2: They had two hundred and they had four players in 413 00:22:40,333 --> 00:22:43,333 Speaker 2: the thirties, No one was They scored it a good 414 00:22:43,973 --> 00:22:47,733 Speaker 2: strike rate, but they didn't have the real thrashbash six 415 00:22:47,773 --> 00:22:50,373 Speaker 2: hitters and as many sixes as you could hit. But 416 00:22:50,413 --> 00:22:52,493 Speaker 2: they had thirty nine to thirty. They were the top 417 00:22:52,573 --> 00:22:56,373 Speaker 2: four run scorers. I'm interested in the pitches and what 418 00:22:56,493 --> 00:23:01,053 Speaker 2: assessment we can make from afar of these pitches. They 419 00:23:01,093 --> 00:23:05,413 Speaker 2: are variable, aren't they. You watch the IPL Garth and 420 00:23:06,253 --> 00:23:10,053 Speaker 2: the quality of play to me seems totally different from 421 00:23:10,053 --> 00:23:12,293 Speaker 2: what you've talked about in terms of the IPL to 422 00:23:12,373 --> 00:23:13,533 Speaker 2: this World T twenty. 423 00:23:14,493 --> 00:23:18,453 Speaker 4: There is a difference, isn't there enormous? And I think 424 00:23:19,613 --> 00:23:22,373 Speaker 4: you know it's a much more even contest between bat 425 00:23:22,373 --> 00:23:26,613 Speaker 4: and ball in this T twenty World Cup. You know, 426 00:23:26,773 --> 00:23:28,933 Speaker 4: we talked off air Brian about the scores in the 427 00:23:29,213 --> 00:23:32,253 Speaker 4: IPL this season. You know, there were scores in excessive 428 00:23:32,253 --> 00:23:34,693 Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty runs I mean, it's just an 429 00:23:34,733 --> 00:23:37,573 Speaker 4: absolute smug fest the batsman. You know, they know that 430 00:23:37,613 --> 00:23:39,533 Speaker 4: they can just clear their happ and they know exactly 431 00:23:39,533 --> 00:23:41,173 Speaker 4: where the ball is going to be in terms of 432 00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:42,973 Speaker 4: bounce and movement and so on. 433 00:23:43,853 --> 00:23:44,013 Speaker 3: You know. 434 00:23:44,133 --> 00:23:47,333 Speaker 4: I mean Bolt was successful in the IPL in the 435 00:23:47,373 --> 00:23:49,653 Speaker 4: power playoff and with just a little bit of movement 436 00:23:49,653 --> 00:23:52,093 Speaker 4: but in the air, but the movement goes very quickly. 437 00:23:52,933 --> 00:23:55,453 Speaker 4: There's a limited amount of spin because I think you know, 438 00:23:55,453 --> 00:23:58,293 Speaker 4: we're also seeing that the ball is turning quite a lot. 439 00:23:59,093 --> 00:24:01,893 Speaker 4: It's gripping on some of these pitchers, so you saw, 440 00:24:03,613 --> 00:24:06,093 Speaker 4: and it's gripping also off the medium paces and the 441 00:24:06,133 --> 00:24:08,053 Speaker 4: quick bowl is a little bit and sitting up. So 442 00:24:08,333 --> 00:24:11,053 Speaker 4: I've seen batsman having to play different games, and that's 443 00:24:11,093 --> 00:24:15,093 Speaker 4: where I think players like Conway and Williamson look completely 444 00:24:15,093 --> 00:24:18,373 Speaker 4: out of sorts yesterday, you know, pushing hard at the 445 00:24:18,413 --> 00:24:20,813 Speaker 4: ball and getting across the crease a lot. Williamson was 446 00:24:20,853 --> 00:24:22,813 Speaker 4: lucky not to be out there bw early in his 447 00:24:22,813 --> 00:24:26,693 Speaker 4: innings and only made nine. It is you know, I 448 00:24:26,693 --> 00:24:28,973 Speaker 4: think Jerry and I are saying exactly the same thing 449 00:24:29,013 --> 00:24:31,133 Speaker 4: in a different way that you've you have to be 450 00:24:31,213 --> 00:24:33,813 Speaker 4: able to say, look that the scores unless you're playing 451 00:24:33,813 --> 00:24:36,293 Speaker 4: at Bridgeton, which looks like a good pitch in Australia, 452 00:24:36,293 --> 00:24:39,213 Speaker 4: as he says, scored two hundred. But you have to 453 00:24:39,293 --> 00:24:42,693 Speaker 4: be thinking about if you're playing on these pitches and 454 00:24:42,733 --> 00:24:44,693 Speaker 4: they all know at night time it's going to move 455 00:24:44,693 --> 00:24:46,653 Speaker 4: around and going to be a bit different. And New 456 00:24:46,773 --> 00:24:49,573 Speaker 4: Zealand talked about that going into this game, but we 457 00:24:49,653 --> 00:24:52,173 Speaker 4: didn't really see any adjustment as a result of it. 458 00:24:52,253 --> 00:24:55,053 Speaker 4: And the adjustment it's not just the batsman. The bowlers 459 00:24:55,053 --> 00:24:56,573 Speaker 4: have got to pitch the ball up and make the 460 00:24:56,613 --> 00:24:58,733 Speaker 4: most of that movement because there has been a lot 461 00:24:58,733 --> 00:25:00,933 Speaker 4: of scene movement at times as well. And as I say, 462 00:25:01,173 --> 00:25:04,693 Speaker 4: I thought that Henry just bowled too short. So so 463 00:25:05,173 --> 00:25:08,493 Speaker 4: again we just we haven't seen the brains trust converting 464 00:25:08,613 --> 00:25:10,573 Speaker 4: into execution on the field. 465 00:25:11,093 --> 00:25:11,373 Speaker 6: You know. 466 00:25:11,693 --> 00:25:17,493 Speaker 7: It was very well, very disappointing, but very different conditions 467 00:25:17,533 --> 00:25:20,293 Speaker 7: to the IPL and as Jerry says, players have got 468 00:25:20,333 --> 00:25:22,893 Speaker 7: to learn to adapt and they've got very little time 469 00:25:22,933 --> 00:25:23,253 Speaker 7: to do that. 470 00:25:24,373 --> 00:25:26,653 Speaker 2: The other thing I wanted to talk about was the 471 00:25:26,693 --> 00:25:30,053 Speaker 2: ticket prices. People are refusing to pay two five hundred 472 00:25:30,093 --> 00:25:33,893 Speaker 2: dollars to play to watch India play Pakistan in New York. 473 00:25:33,933 --> 00:25:35,893 Speaker 2: What is wrong with those people? I mean, goodness me, 474 00:25:36,253 --> 00:25:39,693 Speaker 2: those tickets are giveaway, aren't they? Two five hundred dollars? 475 00:25:40,053 --> 00:25:41,253 Speaker 3: Well, for guard they might be. 476 00:25:47,813 --> 00:25:50,653 Speaker 5: He sends Lisa out to Lisa out to work every 477 00:25:50,733 --> 00:25:55,453 Speaker 5: day least she heads off my word so he can 478 00:25:55,573 --> 00:25:57,653 Speaker 5: so he can go and buy his ticket to watch 479 00:25:57,693 --> 00:26:02,853 Speaker 5: Pakistan versus India. But that's right, Wads, that's absolutely right. 480 00:26:02,893 --> 00:26:04,173 Speaker 3: It's the same in Providence. 481 00:26:05,053 --> 00:26:07,453 Speaker 5: You and I watched that first game, didn't We were 482 00:26:07,493 --> 00:26:11,053 Speaker 5: Westerndies were laying and it wasn't very full at all, 483 00:26:11,973 --> 00:26:17,333 Speaker 5: so the home side was playing there. It's on the 484 00:26:17,373 --> 00:26:20,773 Speaker 5: outskirts that Providence is on the outskirts of Georgetown. 485 00:26:20,773 --> 00:26:22,613 Speaker 3: It's about sort of ten k's away. 486 00:26:22,933 --> 00:26:26,493 Speaker 5: I'm not sure how easy it is to get access 487 00:26:26,533 --> 00:26:29,893 Speaker 5: there with buses and so on, but certainly the ticket 488 00:26:29,893 --> 00:26:34,053 Speaker 5: price is nine five hundred Guyanese dollars. That's about forty 489 00:26:34,093 --> 00:26:38,373 Speaker 5: five US say seventy three seventy five New Zealand dollars 490 00:26:38,373 --> 00:26:38,693 Speaker 5: to go. 491 00:26:40,733 --> 00:26:42,813 Speaker 3: So that's expensive. 492 00:26:43,693 --> 00:26:46,013 Speaker 5: And maybe there was a bit of wait and see 493 00:26:46,373 --> 00:26:48,213 Speaker 5: how the Westerndies go as well. 494 00:26:48,293 --> 00:26:48,853 Speaker 3: I don't know. 495 00:26:50,253 --> 00:26:53,493 Speaker 5: Maybe that'll pick up if they beat New Zealand. I'm 496 00:26:53,533 --> 00:26:56,093 Speaker 5: not sure, but certainly the money is an issue. 497 00:26:56,213 --> 00:27:00,213 Speaker 3: Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot. 498 00:27:00,293 --> 00:27:03,533 Speaker 2: The White Fans have made some significant changes to their 499 00:27:03,613 --> 00:27:07,413 Speaker 2: team and the leadership of the group as they head 500 00:27:07,413 --> 00:27:11,213 Speaker 2: off to England for t twenty and one Day International Series. 501 00:27:11,493 --> 00:27:15,133 Speaker 2: Former Black Cap batting coach Craig McMillan giving up the 502 00:27:15,573 --> 00:27:19,613 Speaker 2: TV mike for another stan At coaching five years after 503 00:27:19,693 --> 00:27:22,733 Speaker 2: he gave up the job as the black Caps batting coach. 504 00:27:23,133 --> 00:27:25,813 Speaker 2: He's going to be batting coach for the White Fans 505 00:27:26,093 --> 00:27:29,733 Speaker 2: and also included in the side as Lauren Down five 506 00:27:29,773 --> 00:27:32,413 Speaker 2: months after she gave birth to her first child, so 507 00:27:32,493 --> 00:27:37,013 Speaker 2: she's back in the New Zealand side and well. From 508 00:27:37,093 --> 00:27:40,973 Speaker 2: Craig mcwillan's point of view, he's delighted to be back 509 00:27:41,013 --> 00:27:43,693 Speaker 2: coaching again for a new challenge. 510 00:27:43,653 --> 00:27:45,853 Speaker 6: Just thrilled to be part of the setup, really excited 511 00:27:46,773 --> 00:27:48,733 Speaker 6: with the schedule that the White Fans have got over 512 00:27:48,773 --> 00:27:51,173 Speaker 6: the next five or six months. So I can't wait 513 00:27:51,213 --> 00:27:54,493 Speaker 6: to get involved and be part of the setup. And 514 00:27:54,493 --> 00:27:56,253 Speaker 6: what I love about the White Fans set up is 515 00:27:56,253 --> 00:27:59,413 Speaker 6: they're also competitive, but they do everything with a smile 516 00:27:59,453 --> 00:28:01,653 Speaker 6: on their face and their laugh. So it's a great environment. 517 00:28:01,773 --> 00:28:04,213 Speaker 6: So that's something that as a player and as a 518 00:28:04,253 --> 00:28:06,973 Speaker 6: coach you do miss at times. And as you mentioned, 519 00:28:06,973 --> 00:28:08,973 Speaker 6: I've had five and a bit years away. I loved 520 00:28:08,973 --> 00:28:10,933 Speaker 6: the commentary because you're still part of the game, you 521 00:28:10,973 --> 00:28:13,053 Speaker 6: see it up close, you see all the action. You 522 00:28:13,053 --> 00:28:16,333 Speaker 6: still have those relationships, but coaching something a bit special 523 00:28:16,333 --> 00:28:19,453 Speaker 6: because you get to forge some special relationships with the 524 00:28:19,453 --> 00:28:23,213 Speaker 6: players and with the management as well. So as I said, 525 00:28:23,213 --> 00:28:25,013 Speaker 6: it's going to be a busy time for the White Fans, 526 00:28:25,053 --> 00:28:27,493 Speaker 6: but an exciting one. There's a number that I do 527 00:28:27,613 --> 00:28:29,693 Speaker 6: know quite well. There's a few others that I don't, 528 00:28:29,733 --> 00:28:32,333 Speaker 6: so I'm getting to know them during these camps that 529 00:28:32,373 --> 00:28:34,613 Speaker 6: we've had and the two to the UK, I'll get 530 00:28:34,653 --> 00:28:38,133 Speaker 6: close to them and build that relationship up. But what 531 00:28:38,253 --> 00:28:40,453 Speaker 6: hasn't surprised me is the talent that's within this White 532 00:28:40,453 --> 00:28:43,813 Speaker 6: Fans side. There's a good mixture of experience. We've got 533 00:28:43,813 --> 00:28:46,733 Speaker 6: some vastly experienced players and we've got some youngsters who 534 00:28:46,733 --> 00:28:48,773 Speaker 6: are finding their feet at the international level. And that's 535 00:28:48,813 --> 00:28:51,453 Speaker 6: always exciting when you've got that balance of the two 536 00:28:51,493 --> 00:28:54,493 Speaker 6: in a setup. So can't wait to get my hands 537 00:28:54,533 --> 00:28:58,053 Speaker 6: dirty start throwing some balls and being part of the group. 538 00:28:59,533 --> 00:29:02,493 Speaker 6: There's a lot of potential and there's a good mix, 539 00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:04,893 Speaker 6: as I said, between experience players who've played a lot 540 00:29:04,893 --> 00:29:07,653 Speaker 6: of international cricket and some others that are just finding 541 00:29:07,693 --> 00:29:09,613 Speaker 6: their feet at the end international level. I look at him, 542 00:29:09,733 --> 00:29:12,853 Speaker 6: is he gay? So we saw against England last season 543 00:29:12,893 --> 00:29:14,493 Speaker 6: showed how good a player she's going to be and 544 00:29:14,533 --> 00:29:17,173 Speaker 6: she's just finding the feet at the international level. And 545 00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:19,613 Speaker 6: sometimes it's really hard when you haven't played a lot 546 00:29:19,653 --> 00:29:22,613 Speaker 6: of domestic cricket and you get thrown into the international scene. 547 00:29:22,813 --> 00:29:24,853 Speaker 6: Sometimes it just takes a little while to find your 548 00:29:24,853 --> 00:29:26,333 Speaker 6: feet and that was great to see as you do 549 00:29:26,413 --> 00:29:29,813 Speaker 6: that last season. So we've got some youngsters who I 550 00:29:29,813 --> 00:29:31,773 Speaker 6: think are going to be superstars and years to come. 551 00:29:32,573 --> 00:29:34,813 Speaker 6: So I guess the onuses on us coaches is to 552 00:29:34,933 --> 00:29:38,413 Speaker 6: upskill then get them performing at that international level as 553 00:29:38,453 --> 00:29:41,053 Speaker 6: quickly as we can and get some consistency. And if 554 00:29:41,093 --> 00:29:42,533 Speaker 6: we do that, then the White Fans are going to 555 00:29:42,573 --> 00:29:43,573 Speaker 6: have a successful summer. 556 00:29:43,813 --> 00:29:45,893 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they develop on 557 00:29:45,973 --> 00:29:48,213 Speaker 2: that tour of England because it's important in terms of 558 00:29:48,253 --> 00:29:51,173 Speaker 2: the way the White Fans have been going. Bearing in 559 00:29:51,253 --> 00:29:54,413 Speaker 2: mind the home series that they just played against this 560 00:29:54,773 --> 00:29:58,453 Speaker 2: England type. For Lauren Down, she's delighted to be back 561 00:29:59,013 --> 00:30:01,613 Speaker 2: where she always thought she would be after she gave 562 00:30:01,613 --> 00:30:03,213 Speaker 2: birth to her first child. 563 00:30:03,613 --> 00:30:05,213 Speaker 8: Yeah, it was always in the back of my mind. 564 00:30:05,253 --> 00:30:07,973 Speaker 9: I knew that one I wanted to be a moment 565 00:30:08,013 --> 00:30:09,973 Speaker 9: and have family, but too that I still wanted to 566 00:30:10,013 --> 00:30:12,413 Speaker 9: give cricket a good crack and I was hoping that 567 00:30:12,453 --> 00:30:15,653 Speaker 9: if everything went well with giving birth and through the pregnancy, 568 00:30:15,653 --> 00:30:16,893 Speaker 9: that I would be able to return. 569 00:30:16,933 --> 00:30:19,653 Speaker 8: And fortunately the comeback has gone pretty well so far. 570 00:30:19,733 --> 00:30:22,213 Speaker 9: It's been tough at times and physically a bit training, 571 00:30:22,253 --> 00:30:24,893 Speaker 9: but it's been really good and it's nice being a 572 00:30:24,933 --> 00:30:27,733 Speaker 9: mom and still being able to play cricket as well. Yeah, 573 00:30:27,773 --> 00:30:30,773 Speaker 9: it's been challenging at times. I'm very grateful for sort 574 00:30:30,813 --> 00:30:32,093 Speaker 9: of my support network at home. 575 00:30:32,133 --> 00:30:32,813 Speaker 8: No, my partner. 576 00:30:33,053 --> 00:30:35,053 Speaker 9: I'm very fortunate with him that he can stay at 577 00:30:35,053 --> 00:30:37,453 Speaker 9: home and help look after Ruby while I'm training, and 578 00:30:37,453 --> 00:30:38,453 Speaker 9: it makes this whole. 579 00:30:38,253 --> 00:30:39,853 Speaker 8: Journey a whole lot easier. 580 00:30:40,533 --> 00:30:43,373 Speaker 9: It's certainly been yet there's been some sleepless nights and 581 00:30:43,373 --> 00:30:44,773 Speaker 9: then getting up and trying to do a little bit 582 00:30:44,773 --> 00:30:46,533 Speaker 9: of training, which is a little bit harder than normal, 583 00:30:46,613 --> 00:30:48,293 Speaker 9: but when you come home at the end of the 584 00:30:48,373 --> 00:30:49,973 Speaker 9: day and see a little smiling. 585 00:30:49,653 --> 00:30:50,853 Speaker 8: Face, it all feels worth it. 586 00:30:51,733 --> 00:30:55,093 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's been yeah, tough, as I say, physically as well. 587 00:30:55,733 --> 00:30:57,533 Speaker 9: Obviously your body goes through a whole lot of change 588 00:30:57,573 --> 00:31:00,533 Speaker 9: through the pregnancy and then slowly trying to work back 589 00:31:00,573 --> 00:31:03,013 Speaker 9: into things and get back to sort of the fitness 590 00:31:03,013 --> 00:31:05,893 Speaker 9: I was at beforehand. It's been a bit tough being 591 00:31:05,893 --> 00:31:07,733 Speaker 9: at the bottom of the pack and the running sessions 592 00:31:07,733 --> 00:31:10,253 Speaker 9: with the White Firm, but I know I'll get back 593 00:31:10,253 --> 00:31:12,533 Speaker 9: there and it's been nice just to be back with 594 00:31:12,613 --> 00:31:16,213 Speaker 9: the group band training again. I think time away from 595 00:31:16,213 --> 00:31:19,973 Speaker 9: the game was actually quite nice. It was refreshing, and 596 00:31:20,013 --> 00:31:22,613 Speaker 9: then it just sort of made me kind of hungry 597 00:31:22,613 --> 00:31:24,293 Speaker 9: to get back and just want to get back into 598 00:31:24,293 --> 00:31:26,453 Speaker 9: the folders as soon as I could. And I knew 599 00:31:26,493 --> 00:31:28,013 Speaker 9: it was going to be tight in terms of time 600 00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:30,413 Speaker 9: frames getting back for this England series, but I just 601 00:31:30,453 --> 00:31:32,333 Speaker 9: wanted to give myself the best chance that I could 602 00:31:32,373 --> 00:31:33,373 Speaker 9: to put my hand up. 603 00:31:33,653 --> 00:31:36,053 Speaker 8: Unfortunately, I'm yea able to get on the plane next week. 604 00:31:37,733 --> 00:31:41,293 Speaker 2: Lauren down back as a White fan for the England tour. 605 00:31:41,613 --> 00:31:43,773 Speaker 2: That's it for the sedition of On the front Foot 606 00:31:44,013 --> 00:31:47,253 Speaker 2: more matches in the World T twenty, including New Zealand's 607 00:31:47,293 --> 00:31:51,213 Speaker 2: next match against the West Indies in Trinidad. So hopefully 608 00:31:51,253 --> 00:31:53,173 Speaker 2: the ticket prices can be sorted out for the match 609 00:31:53,213 --> 00:31:56,373 Speaker 2: between New Zealand and the West Indies and Trinidad. I'm 610 00:31:56,373 --> 00:31:58,693 Speaker 2: sure the locals would want to go along there and see. 611 00:31:58,893 --> 00:32:03,133 Speaker 2: If New Zealand don't win that game, then it's Uganda 612 00:32:03,293 --> 00:32:07,533 Speaker 2: Papu New Guinea and then the departure lounge home to 613 00:32:07,893 --> 00:32:10,853 Speaker 2: New Zealand because there'll be no more play. Thanks very 614 00:32:10,893 --> 00:32:15,333 Speaker 2: much guys for analyzing the first game for New Zealand. 615 00:32:15,613 --> 00:32:19,693 Speaker 2: We'll do it after the West Indies game. Garth for you, Jeremy, 616 00:32:19,973 --> 00:32:22,053 Speaker 2: You two chez wats. 617 00:32:21,893 --> 00:32:22,773 Speaker 3: No problem at all. 618 00:32:23,053 --> 00:32:25,413 Speaker 5: Shame we've got that first start, but let's hope we're better. 619 00:32:26,613 --> 00:32:29,253 Speaker 4: Thanks once, Thanks guys, you and so let's be everything 620 00:32:29,293 --> 00:32:31,093 Speaker 4: for bright us up on Wednesday. 621 00:32:30,813 --> 00:32:41,773 Speaker 1: All the afulities of Summersting for more from News Talk 622 00:32:41,813 --> 00:32:45,093 Speaker 1: st B, listen live on air or online, and keep 623 00:32:45,133 --> 00:32:47,893 Speaker 1: our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts 624 00:32:47,933 --> 00:32:49,013 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.