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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicity Allen drive with one New Zealand Let's

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Speaker 2: get connected.

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Speaker 1: Youth Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: We're going to have a chat to Lewis sa Wall,

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Speaker 3: a former Silver ferner and a former Labor Party MP,

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Speaker 3: in support of TJ Pedanada's political hacker. It looks like

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Speaker 3: hospitals and not accepting referrals so that they don't blow

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Speaker 3: out their waiting list times. It's obviously gaming the system.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to the Association of Salary Medical Specialists and

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Speaker 3: Police Minister Mark Mitchell on the new Central Auckland Police station.

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Speaker 1: Just announced Heather Duplessy Allen.

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Speaker 3: So it looks like the rugby bosses may have already

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Speaker 3: realized how big a mistake they made with that hacker,

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Speaker 3: because we've now learned that they've cut the political bit

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Speaker 3: that TJ Pedinada did. They've cut that out of the

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Speaker 3: version of the hacker that they've uploaded to their social

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Speaker 3: media accounts. So if you went onto their install, Twitter

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Speaker 3: or whatever, you wouldn't even know necessarily that he'd done that.

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Speaker 3: And if they have done that because they realized that

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Speaker 3: they made a mistake to say yes to it. They

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Speaker 3: are right, big mistake from the All Blacks, Big mistake

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Speaker 3: from Scott robertson personally saying yes to TJ when TJ

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Speaker 3: said he was going to do this. Now, before we

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Speaker 3: get into why I think it's a big mistake, let's

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Speaker 3: just clear something up first. TJ is entitled, like we

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Speaker 3: all are to have a political opinion, and I don't

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Speaker 3: think anybody's going to be surprised that he would come

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Speaker 3: down with this particular political opinion, right, that he would

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Speaker 3: be in support of the hikoy because we know where

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Speaker 3: he stands on things. I mean, he's already publicly supported Ihumato,

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Speaker 3: and he's publicly supported the Wellington women's team when they

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Speaker 3: did their anti government hucker. So what a surprise. Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is not a TJ problem. This is an All

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Speaker 3: Blacks problem, because the All Blacks are not in a

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Speaker 3: position where they can afford to lose fans and viewers

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Speaker 3: and piss people off, especially when so many of us

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Speaker 3: are already talking about how much we prefer watching the

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Speaker 3: that I reckon that they're most rusted on the viewers

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Speaker 3: would be Heartland New Zealand. So we're talking about farms,

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Speaker 3: rural communities, old blokes who feel really loyal to the game.

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Speaker 3: And I reckon quite a few of those rusted on

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Speaker 3: Hekoy And given how intense this Treaty Principles and Hekoy

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Speaker 3: just feel kind of a bit annoyed with him that

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Speaker 3: he's presumed that he represents the views of the whole

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Speaker 3: country with that hakka, because he doesn't. And this may

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Speaker 3: be a surprise to TJR. I don't know, but if

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Speaker 3: he goes and has a look at the most recent polling,

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Speaker 3: he will find that almost twice as many key we

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Speaker 3: actually like Seymour's principles idea as oppose it. So the

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Speaker 3: support that the he KOI has is probably a lot

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Speaker 3: less than the support that David Seymour has based on

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Speaker 3: that polling anyway, So for TJ well known anti meat,

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Speaker 3: because he's heading off in a new career and his

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Speaker 3: stoked about that. For New Zealand Rugby though, fighting to

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Speaker 3: himself as the new All Blacks coach. Big mistake, Heather

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Speaker 3: do for see el Welcome to the way in nine

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Speaker 3: two ninety two is the text number, and of course

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Speaker 3: standard text fees apply. And I'll tell you in a

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Speaker 3: minute why we're going to talk to Luisa Wallf so

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Speaker 3: stand by for that.

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Speaker 4: Just quickly.

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Speaker 3: On another subject, there is yet another call for the

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Speaker 3: government to tackle obesity rates, and this time from the

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Speaker 3: Helen Clark Foundation. Now the Helen Clark Foundations released a

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Speaker 3: report today which reckons more than a third of Kiwi

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Speaker 3: individual to the wider food environment we're exposed to every

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Speaker 3: day now. Dave Latally is a community leader and the

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Speaker 3: founder of the BBM Motivation Program.

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Speaker 5: Dave Hello Hey, they how's it going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very well. Thank you. Do you agree with him?

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Speaker 3: This is no longer an individual problem. It is now

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's something that I've been saying for years. You know,

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Speaker 6: I keep banging on about this. It's you know, choice,

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Speaker 6: it implies equal starting points, and a lot of the

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Speaker 6: no equity there. We're surrounded by every single bad choice

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Speaker 5: It just makes it a lot harder.

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Speaker 6: But you know, it's why around education, what we do

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Speaker 6: is what needs to happen. It's government policy and also

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Speaker 6: community working together.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I mean tell me something, do people, regardless of

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Speaker 3: we not all know already that if you put KFC

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Speaker 6: Oh I think I think most people would know that.

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Speaker 6: But at the same time, you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of knowledge that's not being passed down to children anymore.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's not just people who are just too lazy,

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Speaker 6: but it's people who are working multiple jobs.

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Speaker 5: Trying to keep the lights on.

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Speaker 1: And that's the.

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Speaker 3: Problem though, Dave. I mean, because we learn about the food,

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Speaker 3: we learn about the food triangle at school, right like

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Speaker 3: stur ry for yourself in the family. But if you're poor,

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Speaker 3: you don't have as much time. You're traveling more, you're

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Speaker 3: working longer hours to make ends meat, it's a little

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Speaker 5: One hundred one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Now, how do we get around there?

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Speaker 1: Poor?

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Speaker 5: You're not only you're poor, your time poor.

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Speaker 3: That's the most important thing.

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Speaker 6: We've helped kids that you know this mum reached out

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Speaker 6: weighs two hundred and thirty kilos.

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Speaker 5: Sure, they're the.

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Speaker 6: Ones doing the cooking for the family because the parents

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Speaker 5: So it's just I mean, it's a massive problem.

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Speaker 6: But what we've got to do is I think is

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Speaker 1: Good days in these communities.

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Speaker 3: But then if the problem is that people are time

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Speaker 3: Limiting advertising is not going to change anything. How do

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Speaker 6: Invest in community program It's much like ours where we've

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Speaker 6: seen the results. I mean with that kid he lost

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Speaker 1: Us, how did you do it?

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Speaker 6: Educated him him and his brother and his sisters. We

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Speaker 6: to shop healthy on a budget. They've done the cooking.

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Speaker 6: That's how you break cycles. Now, it's not it's not

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Speaker 6: an immediate fix. This is but we can't we can't

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Speaker 6: look at the short term. This is long term issues

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Speaker 6: we've got to look at so that things are better

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Speaker 3: So so in that case, they actually did have people,

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Speaker 5: So he started schools.

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Speaker 6: It's just investing in programs that work alongside, you know,

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Speaker 6: like just I know, when's the last time he drove through.

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Speaker 5: Mayota Town Center or Tatta it is.

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Speaker 6: It's a fast it's a health food dees at the

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Speaker 5: It's a disgrace.

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Speaker 6: So it's a lot different than driving through Remota or

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Speaker 6: where I see you sometimes.

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Speaker 3: A ponds of me, Well, what if we got on

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Speaker 3: pondsib We've got one one KFC on pons and be

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Speaker 3: fair point that you may hey, listen, Dave on another subject, though,

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Speaker 3: idea that maybe we start giving people ozmpic jabs because

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Speaker 6: I've seen I've met people that it works. I'm look,

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Speaker 6: it's still it's still out for me. Look, I still

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Speaker 6: think those options. It's like the optic gatric bypass. Those

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Speaker 6: are options, but they shouldn't be the main option or

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Speaker 6: the only option, because they don't break cycles, they don't

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Speaker 6: educate the children. That's what we've got to do here

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Speaker 6: for long term results. I mean, there was an obesity clinic.

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Speaker 6: The problem with the system is they always invest in

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Speaker 6: top down, never bottom up. They invested a few million

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Speaker 6: give people optly fast to get them skinny enough to

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Speaker 6: get the operation, but they still might not get the

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Speaker 6: not get funded it. Where the program like ours from

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Speaker 6: the Couch gets two hundred and sixteen thousand, Like this

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Speaker 3: Dave, listen, thanks for talking to us. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Matere's Dave Lataley, the founder of BBM Motivation. So the

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Speaker 3: reason we're going to talk to Luisa Wall and let

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Speaker 3: me just read this text. Heather, my hobby and I

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Speaker 3: went grocery shopping today and he normally buys Recks Owner. Now,

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Speaker 3: this is the under arm that has the All Black

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Speaker 3: fern on it, but today he chose not to because

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Speaker 3: of what TJ did. TJ should never have done what

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Speaker 3: he did. If I was a sponsor, I'd be liverd Michelle,

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Speaker 3: thank you. We're having a debate at the moment as

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Speaker 3: to whether this is like, is this actually really going

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Speaker 3: to push people enough to turn the all Blacks off?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's slow attrition, Like I'm kind

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Speaker 3: of to be honest, like, if I take myself as

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Speaker 3: an example, I'm over rugby union. I'm really just hanging

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Speaker 3: in there for the All Blacks tests and that's the

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Speaker 3: last of it. But they probably don't need to push

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Speaker 3: me too much before I just turn it off, stop watching,

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Speaker 3: and start watching the Warriors instead. So just wonder how

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Speaker 3: much more, like, how far can they push you before

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Speaker 3: actually Sheryl and her mum was also shocked at what

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Speaker 3: her name was, but what she said to sher was

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Speaker 3: that after giving birth a month early when she was

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Speaker 3: only nineteen years old, with no pain relief, she actually

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Speaker 3: couldn't remember exactly what she'd written on the birth certificate.

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: That's funny. Imagine that shocked to mom, shocked to baby

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Life presenters with I say, Oli, hey, Heather, Okay,

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Speaker 3: so how is the government going to tackle bullying? And

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Speaker 3: good luck to them?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, good luck to them. They're saying that what they're

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Speaker 11: going to do is write to all state premiers and

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Speaker 11: education ministers to formulate a national response to bullying. Now,

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Speaker 11: look massive issue. Absolutely, I'm not trying to sugarcoat that.

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Speaker 11: And I actually think this somewhat surprises me, Heather, that

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Speaker 11: we don't actually have the best in the brightest minds

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Speaker 11: already coming together to say, whether you're bullied at a

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Speaker 11: high school or a primary school in Perth or Adelaide

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Speaker 11: or Brisbane or Hobart, that they have some sort of

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Speaker 11: model the way that the schools can respond to the

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Speaker 11: allegations or to help the bullied person or individual. But

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Speaker 11: as you say, good luck to them. And if this

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Speaker 11: hasn't already been thought about or tried, or those that

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Speaker 11: expertise hasn't been shed already, what a massive failure it

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Speaker 11: has been from the Australian state governments and the federal

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Speaker 11: government for decades like this, This is stuff which should

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Speaker 11: have been worked on as bullying has become a more

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Speaker 11: important issue. I just feel as though that you know,

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Speaker 11: the Prime Minister is desperately searching at the moment header

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Speaker 11: for you know, a win, and he thinks he's had

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Speaker 11: a win with the social media ban on the under sixteenes.

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Speaker 11: This you know, ties into that a little bit with bullying.

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Speaker 11: And while we've got that, he's trying not to focus

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Speaker 11: on the Misinformation Bill, the housing stuff, which is going

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Speaker 11: to be forwarded this week in the Federal Parliament. It's

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Speaker 11: the last week of the year that they actually sit.

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Speaker 11: He's just looking for some sort of victory because he's

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Speaker 11: had a pretty tough time of it.

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Speaker 1: As of like is it enough.

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Speaker 11: No, it's not enough, it's not enough. I mean, one,

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Speaker 11: if you want to look at, you know, the idea

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Speaker 11: that you know, first, on this bullying thing, the fact

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Speaker 11: that you just write and get collaboration from the States

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Speaker 11: ministers and the federal government. Again, they should have been

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Speaker 11: doing that already. That's not going to be a vote

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Speaker 11: winner for people. But two, you know, the economy at

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Speaker 11: the moment is still the number one issue in this country.

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Speaker 11: The government is not tackling that to the to the

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Speaker 11: level that I think Australians are expecting, and they're just

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Speaker 11: almost limping their way towards an election next year. There's

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Speaker 11: just so much uncertainly about when that will be.

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Speaker 3: Yep, fair enough. So tell me about these guys who

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Speaker 3: got arrested at the climate protest.

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Speaker 11: I mean, isn't this nuts you think about? You know,

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Speaker 11: you can have protests, but to go out into the

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Speaker 11: harbor channel there in Newcastle one hundred and seventy people

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Speaker 11: and we're talking about even a baby on a kayak,

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Speaker 11: a twelve month old on a kayak. I mean that

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Speaker 11: child should actually be taken from its parents and given

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Speaker 11: to child services.

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Speaker 3: Because you can make.

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Speaker 11: Your song and dance, but the idea that you would

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Speaker 11: go on protest in a harbor working channel is just

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Speaker 11: beyond the extreme dangers that you can really comprehend. I

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Speaker 11: mean we had to see dozens of people being helped

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Speaker 11: out of the water. One hundred and fifty six people

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Speaker 11: were arrested and fourteen children arrested for these protests. Obviously

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Speaker 11: this was an anti cold protest. They defied directions not

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Speaker 11: to edit that shipping channel. And think of all the

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Speaker 11: resources it took for the water police and the police

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Speaker 11: in general to bring this crowd under control.

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Speaker 3: You're not telling me, Ollie that they're going to charge kids.

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Speaker 3: Well they probably won't.

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Speaker 11: They get them a slap on the wrist, and they'll

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Speaker 11: probably going to do it again next week.

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Speaker 3: Well, like, how young are we talking with the kids?

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Speaker 3: Are we talking like sixteen year old kids? All one

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Speaker 3: year old kids?

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Speaker 11: No, we're talking teenagers. I don't think I don't think

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Speaker 11: the baby or I don't think the baby on the

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Speaker 11: kayak was charged.

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Speaker 1: His parents should be.

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Speaker 11: But I think they've charged the baby.

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Speaker 3: Why not tough on crime stardom young? I was wondering

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Speaker 3: about that. I'm surprised. I've got to be honest with

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Speaker 3: you to see that you guys are only in Victoria

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Speaker 3: getting the testing trial for the pills this upcoming summer.

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Speaker 3: You tell me that this has never happened before they

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Speaker 3: have any camera.

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Speaker 11: For the last couple of summers they've tried it, but

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Speaker 11: you know, this is probably the first, say mainstream states.

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Speaker 11: Sorry to all the Canburians, we'll be upset with that,

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Speaker 11: but theyre going to do it yet this summer they're

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Speaker 11: going to launch it at least five different festivals, the

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Speaker 11: first one being a festival that runs into the December

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Speaker 11: twenty eighth to January one. There's about thirty five thousand

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Speaker 11: people that go to that.

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Speaker 1: So look, you know what, I'm actually.

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Speaker 11: Four pill testing.

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Speaker 5: I know that.

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Speaker 11: You know people say that means you know legitimate drugs.

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Speaker 12: Well, no you're not.

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Speaker 11: I just hope that some people who go put those

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Speaker 11: things through the machines turn around and go, geez, you

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Speaker 11: know that was in it. Yeah, I look at you

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Speaker 11: having that again.

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Speaker 3: Right, But they're going to shove it in their faces regardless, right,

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Speaker 3: so you may as well make sure it's safe if

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Speaker 3: they're going to do it. I agree.

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Speaker 11: So they'll be doing it this summer, and I reckon

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Speaker 11: other states will follow suit. Watch I can w al

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Speaker 11: be sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good on you, thank you so much. Ollie has

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Speaker 3: always of a Peterson six pr per Life presenter Here

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Speaker 3: the New Zealand is a free country with free speech,

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Speaker 3: supposedly after listening to you, Good on pet and Natda

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Speaker 3: for taking the opportunity to express his views. Those goose

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Speaker 3: stepper clowns who say they're going to watch only the

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Speaker 3: Wars now will be seeing heaps of Mardi Flags, insignia

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Speaker 3: and anti legislation signs everywhere at the games. How they're

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Speaker 3: going to handle that while they're watching a team that

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Speaker 3: finished thirteenth this season season Charlie, thank you, Hither I

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Speaker 3: love Mark mitchell I worked with them in the police

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Speaker 3: and Gusy and good on them for reinstating a central

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Speaker 3: police station. Yes, it's happening in Auckland. They've got a

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Speaker 3: new one. It's on Federal Street, not far away from

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Speaker 3: the one that they shut down just the other day.

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Speaker 3: Barry Sober will run us through the details when he's

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Speaker 3: with us shortly sixteen away.

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Speaker 2: From five Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 2: get payments, certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper seeing your political correspondence with us, Hey, Barry,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon, Heather. Okay, So this new police station, it's

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Speaker 3: on Federal Street in Auckland. It does it sound like

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Speaker 3: it's like road frontage or is it upstairs?

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Speaker 13: No, it's going to be they're going to have a

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Speaker 13: street frontage, are they. This isn't that way at the moment.

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Speaker 13: But at the moment they occupy two floors in this building. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: and no're negotiating with the tenants, by the sounds of things,

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Speaker 13: to get off the other two floors and then they'll

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Speaker 13: occupy the whole building. That'll cost the taxpayer, of course,

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Speaker 13: quite a lot of money. And I thought they may

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Speaker 13: go back to but it's probably too late because it

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Speaker 13: would have been sold on a mural drive. That was

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Speaker 13: they moved out of that in twenty nineteen. They went

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Speaker 13: to Freeman's Bay to College Street and that's the main

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Speaker 13: Central Auckland police station. There's been a campaign to get

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Speaker 13: a police station in Central Auckland for some time, but

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Speaker 13: some of the critics would say, well, look to get

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Speaker 13: from College Hill to Federal Street takes no time at all,

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Speaker 13: So why are we wasting our money to get into

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Speaker 13: the city.

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Speaker 3: About people being able presence, it's about you're in trouble,

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Speaker 3: somebody's having a somebody smashed you in the face. You

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Speaker 3: need to go see a copper, you know where to

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Speaker 3: find them. Why they shut down the Meryll Street one,

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Speaker 3: by the way.

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Speaker 13: Well, presumably because they'd built this new one on College Hill,

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Speaker 13: which is a pretty flash police station. The nice aspect

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Speaker 13: of it today was it's the first day of the

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Speaker 13: new police Commissioner, Richard Chambers job in the job, so

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Speaker 13: it's his first day on duty and they are the

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Speaker 13: Prime Minister and he were downstairs talking to the beat cops.

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Speaker 13: They found a cop that was his first day on

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Speaker 13: the job, so they all got a photo together, and

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Speaker 13: I thought that would have been rather nice. Wayne Brown's

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Speaker 13: really happy because this police station he lives in the city.

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Speaker 13: He said it's great for him because he'll feel much

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Speaker 13: safer now that the cops have established themselves. There'll be

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Speaker 13: fifty one police at the new station.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll tell you what. When I was at university,

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Speaker 3: it was perfectly fine to wander around that part of

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Speaker 3: town where that cop shop was on Meryl Drive. So

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Speaker 3: you'd wander up Grays have no problem at all. You'd

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Speaker 3: go to the local theater there and stuff because there

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Speaker 3: was downtown food and all that kind of stuff. Cop

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Speaker 3: shop's gone that place. I would not walk down it now.

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Speaker 3: So it says a lot about the importance of a

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Speaker 3: police presence.

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Speaker 5: I think it does.

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Speaker 13: And the funny at the parade, the Christmas parade the

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Speaker 13: other day here in Auckland, I was down there and

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Speaker 13: I got one of the cops to take a photograph

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Speaker 13: of me and my little boy. Yeah, and I said,

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Speaker 13: I know it's not your job description, but I've got

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Speaker 13: to say so. I saw a lot of cops around

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Speaker 13: there and I thought, you know, it was good to see.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 13: They will have their work cut out though, because one

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Speaker 13: of them left the Police commissioner. So the Prime Minister's

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Speaker 13: itinerary when when he was in Queenstown yesterday on the

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Speaker 13: dashboard or the car, so they may have cull put

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Speaker 13: over that one. And I think it's probably fair enough

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Speaker 13: that it's one of those things that you probably don't

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Speaker 13: think about when you're jumping out of the car to

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Speaker 13: open the door for the Prime minister and you leave

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Speaker 13: it on the dashboard.

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Speaker 3: Probably, as somebody made the point, not so bad with Luxeon,

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Speaker 3: would have been terrible with Jacinda because of the fields

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Speaker 3: around it totally and yeah, yeah, So what do you

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Speaker 3: make of the first year of the coalition government.

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Speaker 13: Well, I'll tell you what that police station launched. The

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Speaker 13: Prime Minister was enthusiastic about ending his first year. He said,

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Speaker 13: the government has performed well, have listened.

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Speaker 14: We've made some tremendous progress over the last twelve months.

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Speaker 14: We know there's a lot more for us to do.

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Speaker 14: I have to say, twelve months into this job, I

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Speaker 14: feel incredibly optimistic about the future for New Zealand. I

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Speaker 14: think there is no reason why together we can't build

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Speaker 14: the best small country on planet Earth period. And we

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Speaker 14: know we've got work to do economically, socially, environmentally, but

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Speaker 14: we're working our way through that. We certainly for now

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Speaker 14: are in a turnaround job.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, they are, and it's going to be really interesting.

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Speaker 13: We've had a baptism afar. Let's face it had a

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Speaker 13: hell of a time and they took the Treasury benches.

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Speaker 13: But it's interesting to me the dynamics between the leadership

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Speaker 13: because that shared deputy prime ministership. That's never been done before.

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Speaker 13: So in main X year you're going to have David

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Speaker 13: Seymour sit alongside the Prime Minister in the House and

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Speaker 13: Winston Peters will no doubt be relegated, but he'd be

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Speaker 13: pretty close by, I would imagine. But look, you only

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Speaker 13: have to look down as I did last week on

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Speaker 13: the Prime Minister and Winston Peters to see that the

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Speaker 13: rapport between these two is very good and certainly they

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Speaker 13: obviously get on well. We saw in an interview with

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Speaker 13: the Prime Minister that he and his wife and Winston

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Speaker 13: and his partner have dinner from time to time. Not

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Speaker 13: the same with David Seymour, but Dane Sema was a

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Speaker 13: much more difficult character to work with than what Winston

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Speaker 13: Peters would be.

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Speaker 3: It's not allowed on the double dates. Okay. Now, as

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Speaker 3: a rugby fan, did TJ make you angry?

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Speaker 5: I yelled at the screen.

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Speaker 13: I wonder what he was doing and there was a

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Speaker 13: lot of grunting and stuff before the harker started. And

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Speaker 13: to learn that he was involving himself in politics in

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Speaker 13: the way he did with what is our national sport,

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Speaker 13: I thought was, you know, call me old fashioned, but

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Speaker 13: I really don't believe there's a place for politics on

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Speaker 13: the field, on the rugby field when you're at an

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Speaker 13: international test fixture. And I thought it was not unforgivable,

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Speaker 13: but it was unacceptable. The thing that worries me Heather

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Speaker 13: that we've heard Debbie rolling packing beating her gums about. Look,

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Speaker 13: the harker is our way of expressing ourselves. So in

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Speaker 13: the house when we saw that hukkah a couple of

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Speaker 13: weeks ago, you can probably bet your bottom dollar there'll

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Speaker 13: be more of that sort of behavior in the House

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Speaker 13: of the Speaker doesn't do something.

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Speaker 3: About Barry, were you not proud of the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: when they said that they were not going to go

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Speaker 3: to South Africa in opposition to the apartheish?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, But this.

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Speaker 3: Is so, why is okay for politicspecting no, no, Now.

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Speaker 13: That was a totally different situation. It wasn't an internal

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Speaker 13: New Zealand problem, although the country was divided on the

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Speaker 13: apart eid issue. But that's a totally different scenario to

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Speaker 13: what this is and the Treaty of Wye.

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Speaker 3: Tonguey okay, Thank you Berry, appreciate it. Barry, so for

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Speaker 3: seeing your political correspondence seven away from.

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Speaker 2: Five, digging into the issues that affect you, the mic

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Speaker 2: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 15: I think there was sticking a number next to it

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Speaker 15: because twenty nine just remind you there were twenty eight

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Speaker 15: other times it didn't quite come together the.

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Speaker 2: Way they thought, well, we have had it has been

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Speaker 2: a necessary negotiation.

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Speaker 5: So what is it?

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Speaker 15: Is it behavior related? Is it how they teach, what

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Speaker 15: they teach? What's happened?

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Speaker 16: I think it's a whole combination effect.

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Speaker 15: Is back tomorrow at six am the mic asking Breakfast

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Speaker 15: with the Rain driver of the LAHN News talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good news if you're on the hormone replacement therapy,

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Speaker 3: you know, obviously just for the women. By the way,

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Speaker 3: it looks like Farmac will change the brand that they're

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Speaker 3: using because there's been such a shortage of these patches

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Speaker 3: that unfortunately women have been cutting them in half and

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Speaker 3: trying to make them stretch and stuff like that. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: there's a brand change, so that sounds like it's a

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Speaker 3: good thing, and we're going to talk to somebody about

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Speaker 3: that in about half an hour's time. Heather Share is

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Speaker 3: how's it pronounced? Shares pronounced?

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Speaker 5: Chare?

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Speaker 3: Not sure your name isn't pronounced Heather? Look, thank you?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what news to me today? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I've been calling her shir the whole time, like a

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Speaker 3: lot of you people called bono bono when it's actually bono.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, what can I say, do you know what

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Speaker 3: on names? Like I felt, I felt for her on names?

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Speaker 3: May it be called Serlyn? Imagine that being your It

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Speaker 3: sounds like it sounds like west Like that is like

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Speaker 3: at the epitome of west Auckland, isn't it? Anyway? So

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Speaker 3: we went around to got the baby on the way

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Speaker 3: and it's a girl went round to somebody's house last

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Speaker 3: night for a zero alcohol beer and we were talking

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Speaker 3: about baby names and they asked me, oh, what are

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Speaker 3: you going to call the baby? And I said, well,

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Speaker 3: I mean, if I want to stick with the family names,

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Speaker 3: then I probably have to give the baby, you know,

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Speaker 3: my mum's name, But I don't. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: call the baby Elizabeth. I hate it, I said, not

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Speaker 3: holding back. I hate it. I hate Elizabeth. Wow anyway,

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Speaker 3: and then the woman was like, oh, cool, Heather, what's

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Speaker 3: my name? And I was like, oh, Lizzy, sorry, yeah,

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Speaker 3: just told him Elizabeth. How much I hate the name

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Speaker 3: of Elizabeth.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 3: Why I felt like that was an okay thing to

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Speaker 3: say is because my middle name is Elizabeth. So I

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Speaker 3: mean I have like i'm proprietal self hatred. That's okay, right,

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Speaker 3: But also, what's your mum's middle name. What's your mum's

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Speaker 3: first name? You want to call your baby your mum's

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Speaker 3: first name? No, nobody does, Nobody wants to. It's perfectly

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Speaker 3: fine to hold that a peace. But anyway, I apologize

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Speaker 3: in advance to all the Elizabeths out there, t J

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Speaker 3: pat ANDATA getting everybody worked up. Were gonna have a

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Speaker 3: chat to Lewisa Wall about that. Former silver Fern also

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Speaker 3: former Labor MP. Very upset that the All Blacks have

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Speaker 3: edited the video and stuck the wrong version up without

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Speaker 3: the political part. And then after that, let's talk to

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Speaker 3: the doctors about the gaming of the system that's going

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Speaker 3: on with the old health targets, say, News Talk.

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Speaker 17: Said, be.

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Speaker 1: Your first take on the news It's early edition with

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Would you like to see permanent police officers at all

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Speaker 2: regional airports?

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Speaker 17: Not nepirely going that far, but really strong relationship.

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Speaker 10: Half of those that were surveyed said that vapin was

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Speaker 10: harming their help.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean the other half thing?

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Speaker 1: It's fine?

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge New for twenty twenty four on early edition

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Speaker 2: with Smith City weekdays from five am on News Talks

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Speaker 2: ad B, the only drive show you can trust to

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Speaker 2: ask the questions, get the answers by the facts and

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Speaker 2: give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather, do the the Elan drive with one New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: let's get connected and you talk as that'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. It turns out the All Blacks have edited

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Speaker 3: the version of the Hukker that they put on their

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Speaker 3: social media accounts. So what's happened is before uploading the

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Speaker 3: video they have removed the controversial political bit from TJ

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Speaker 3: Petnada at the start where he says in Mari the

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Speaker 3: sovereignty of the land, the people and the Treaty of

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Speaker 3: white Tongey remains. Former Black Fern and former Labour Party

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Speaker 3: MP Luisa wallers with me. Now, hey, Luisa counter Heather,

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Speaker 3: how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 17: About the editing? Hmmm, well, it's not been done before.

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Speaker 17: As far as I know, we never edit, Hucker.

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Speaker 3: Do you know whether they put the video up, got

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Speaker 3: the responses, took it down, edited and re uploaded or

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Speaker 3: is this just how they uploaded it in the first place.

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Speaker 17: I presume it's how they uploaded it, which begs the

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Speaker 17: question who made that decision? And I chose on my

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Speaker 17: social media platform to share Sky's version which was the

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Speaker 17: hooker as it was delivered for our Sunday morning Saturday

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Speaker 17: night in Italy, which is what normally happens.

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Speaker 7: Right, we love the hacker.

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Speaker 3: This suggests to me that they are already feeling the

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Speaker 3: heat or maybe regretting the course of action that they're

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Speaker 3: taken by saying yes to it.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, somebody in there is. Obviously the players went and

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Speaker 17: the management didn't seem to, so you know, I take

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Speaker 17: Razor on his word. He was pretty clear about what

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Speaker 17: the hooker, what was behind the hooker, and the purpose

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Speaker 17: of the hooker was to call for unity back home,

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Speaker 17: which is what we want when our team goes out

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Speaker 17: on the field, to be honest, we want to unify

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Speaker 17: team ready to do the business. So you know, TJ

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Speaker 17: was accorded that leadership responsibility. He's, from what I can see,

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Speaker 17: played eighty nine tests and that's what it was, is

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Speaker 17: fifty eighth calling the hacker, so you know they trust

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Speaker 17: him to lead them.

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Speaker 3: Louis, I think it's appropriate for him to have done

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Speaker 3: what he did, given given that the hacker is. It

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Speaker 3: feels like an all Black supporter. It feels like it's

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Speaker 3: done on behalf of the whole country, and the whole

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Speaker 3: country is not in support of the he cooy So

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Speaker 3: is it appropriate.

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Speaker 17: Then, well, the whole country has been in supportive the

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Speaker 17: hooker that has been performed by the All Blacks since

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Speaker 17: nineteen oh five. None of us have ever had editorial rights,

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Speaker 17: and there's been an evolution of the hooker over time,

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Speaker 17: and in fact we have two forms of the hacker.

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Speaker 17: But every year the team goes through a process of

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Speaker 17: determining how they will do the hooker, which is about

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Speaker 17: it's a tech hunger issue. And who has vested with

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Speaker 17: the responsibility to lead the hooker on behalf of the

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Speaker 17: All Blacks and TJ was vested with that leadership responsibility.

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Speaker 17: He obviously talked to his teammates and his coach and

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Speaker 17: others about what the purpose intent was behind the hooker.

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Speaker 17: So that's their choice. Surely, why should any of us

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Speaker 17: now have a problem with the hooker being led the

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Speaker 17: way it was?

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Speaker 3: Luisa, thank you very much. I really appreciate that Lewis

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Speaker 3: and will former Blackfern and also former Labor Party MP.

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Speaker 1: Hell do for see alis.

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Speaker 3: So there's been a report that specialist doctors are refusing

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Speaker 3: to see patients because the waiting lists are already too long,

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Speaker 3: and this has come about because a letter from Parmestan

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Speaker 3: North Hospital's orthopedic clinic to a GP says a patient

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Speaker 3: can't be accepted. The waiting time targets have been leaked

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Speaker 3: to media because of the waiting time targets. Rather, Sarah

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Speaker 3: Dalton is the executive director of the Association of Salaried

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Speaker 3: Medical Specialists and is with us now, Hey, Sarah, Hey, Heather,

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Speaker 3: how are you doing very very well? Thank you that

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Speaker 3: we've got one example here, But is this happening more regularly?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I would reframe it. They're not refusing to

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Speaker 4: see patients they physically cannot given the resources they currently have,

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Speaker 4: the staffing levels we currently have, the access to clinics

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Speaker 4: and operating theaters and hospital beds we currently have. They

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Speaker 4: want to see those patients, believe you me, But.

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Speaker 3: Why can't they just put the people at the bottom

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Speaker 3: of the waiting list and then let the people work

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Speaker 3: their way up.

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Speaker 4: I think the point they're making is that if they

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Speaker 4: put someone on a waiting list like that at this time,

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Speaker 4: that person is never going to make their way up,

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Speaker 4: and so they are trying to inject I think some

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Speaker 4: honesty and some realism into what we call unmet needs.

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Speaker 4: So we are a wash in secondary unmet need in

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Speaker 4: New Zealand, which is all of those people who need

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Speaker 4: care but can't access it because of rationing. So making

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Speaker 4: a statement yeah I think so, but also being honest,

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Speaker 4: like it is so frustrating.

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Speaker 7: I was listening.

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Speaker 4: To the GPS on the radio this morning saying, this

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Speaker 4: is a real problem for us. We don't have the

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Speaker 4: resources we're being asked to manage these patients. We're only

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Speaker 4: referring them because they need hospital level care. We know

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Speaker 4: that our members know that. It is a real frustration.

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Speaker 4: So basically that funders and decision makers further up the

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Speaker 4: heap are leaving it on the shoulders of specialist GPS

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Speaker 4: and hospital specialists to say, hey, you sort it out.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is not about gaming the waiting time targets.

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Speaker 4: It is not from the perspective of our members, the

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Speaker 4: senior doctors, they are trying to say, hey, we need

877
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Speaker 4: to talk honestly with people about what we're able to

878
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Speaker 4: do at the moment. The government setting targets without providing

879
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 4: resources to meet them, that's a game all of its own.

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Speaker 4: We could talk about that there will be pressure on

881
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Speaker 4: hospital managers to gain the targets to show that they

882
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 4: are making progress against them. It is a real, really

883
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Speaker 4: problematic way to try and manage the pressures on our

884
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Speaker 4: health system.

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Speaker 3: Sarah, thank you appreciate it. That's Sarah Dalton. Association of

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Speaker 3: Salary Medical Specialist Executive.

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Speaker 1: Director, Heather duplusy Ellen now.

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Speaker 3: Longtime fan of Torri Faro on this show, as you know,

889
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: and quite I feel like if Tory Faro was a

890
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: Netflix series, I'd be able to quote bits of it

891
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: back to you, you know, like that's how much I'm

892
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Speaker 3: ingesting of Tory Fano. And one of my favorite things

893
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: that happens with Tori is that Tory likes to talk

894
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Speaker 3: about how the Wellington City Council under her is putting

895
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Speaker 3: so much water into fixing the pipes, so much money

896
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Speaker 3: in fixing the water pipes, rather that they've just injected

897
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Speaker 3: the highest ever investment. She's always going on about highest

898
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Speaker 3: ever investment. You think, WHOA must be a lot of money,

899
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Speaker 3: is it though? Coming off a low base? Let me

900
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Speaker 3: tell you about it. So Wellington City Council needs to

901
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Speaker 3: fix hundreds of kilometers of pipes. Right at the moment,

902
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: they are fixing less than one k a year. The

903
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Speaker 3: total amount, the total amount that needs to be replaced

904
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Speaker 3: would stretch or fix would stretch from Wellington to way

905
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Speaker 3: past Fiji. The pipes that are in what they call

906
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Speaker 3: a poor condition would stretch from Wellington to Auckland's north shore.

907
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Speaker 3: The pipes that are in a very poor condition would

908
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Speaker 3: stretch from Wellington to beyond thy Hupeh. They are only

909
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Speaker 3: spending enough money every year to fix the pipes along

910
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Speaker 3: Landon Key.

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Speaker 18: Now, if that's the highest investment that they've ever done,

912
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Speaker 18: does this tell you why the pipes are breaking in

913
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Speaker 18: well If the fixing welling Wellington's Lampton Key every year

914
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Speaker 18: is the biggest amount that they've.

915
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Speaker 3: Ever spent, what the hell were they spending before? Anyway? Oh,

916
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 3: the places are shambles. Yet they're spending so much money

917
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Speaker 3: laying roads, ripping them up again, putting down some speed bumps,

918
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Speaker 3: ripping them up again, putting down some cycle ways, driving

919
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Speaker 3: everybody nuts, driving businesses out. Anyway, Speak to one of

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Speaker 3: the counselors about it, about half past six, quarter past. Hey,

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Speaker 3: if your business has multiple branches throughout the country, you

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Speaker 3: want to make sure that your signage is the same

923
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Speaker 3: high standard for every one of your stores. Right both

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Speaker 3: inside and out. You don't want a different shade of green,

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Speaker 3: or a different trade of orange, or the logo that

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Speaker 3: you were using ten years ago all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: with Speedy Signs because these guys have been around for

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Speaker 3: over twenty five years and they've got close to thirty

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Speaker 3: locations throughout New Zealand. So let's say that you have

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Speaker 3: stores from Faraday to in the Cargol. One point of

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Speaker 3: contact at Speedy Signs will project manage all of your

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Speaker 3: integrity and ensures the customers get to the right place,

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Speaker 3: which is your place. And you don't have to talk

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Speaker 3: to ten different sign companies in ten different towns, and

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Speaker 1: Mzgither do for clan.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen past five now good news for men appausal women

945
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Speaker 3: who've been and everybody else around them who've been struggling

946
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Speaker 3: with the shortage of HRT patches. Far Mac has today

947
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Speaker 3: announced it's going to change the funded brand for the

948
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Speaker 3: patches because of the shortage issues that we've had. Doctor

949
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Speaker 3: Linda dere is the clinical director of MENO doctor and

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Speaker 3: with us now, Linda, Hello, Hello, Hey. This sounds like

951
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Speaker 3: good good news, is it?

952
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Speaker 16: It's kind of a mixture of good and maybe bad

953
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Speaker 16: because they what they're going to do is basically fund

954
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Speaker 16: only one brand of patch, which is called my Lamb.

955
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Speaker 16: And unfortunately, some women don't get home with my Land.

956
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Speaker 16: So for the women who don't get on with my

957
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Speaker 16: Land that this is going to make them feel a

958
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Speaker 16: little bit uneasy and a bit anxious. But on the

959
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Speaker 16: positive side, there are other options for those women, but

960
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Speaker 16: it means they might have to then do a bit

961
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Speaker 16: of work before their particular brand patch is no longer

962
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Speaker 16: funded as of first December next year.

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Speaker 3: Why is it that we were funding only one brand?

964
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Speaker 3: I mean that seems like that wasn't a really smart idea,

965
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Speaker 3: was it.

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Speaker 16: Oh no, we weren't. So before we were funding several brands.

967
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Speaker 16: So this is now restricting funding to one brand only

968
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Speaker 16: because that particular brand has come back and said we

969
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Speaker 16: can guarantee supply because one of the big problems with

970
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Speaker 16: Eastern patches has been trying to get hold of any

971
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Speaker 16: So what they are doing is choosing a brand that

972
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Speaker 16: won't run out on us. But the downside is women

973
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Speaker 16: don't have as much options for patches now. The good

974
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 16: news there though, is there are other options apart from Patches,

975
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Speaker 16: such as funder Gel, which most women who get on

976
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Speaker 16: with other non miland brands will get on with Gel fine,

977
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Speaker 16: but it means they have to start probably thinking about

978
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Speaker 16: that transition. Is they're in that group of women that

979
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Speaker 16: my Land doesn't agree with them.

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Speaker 3: Right, Linda, thank you, appreciate your time, doctor Linda Dere,

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Speaker 3: Clinical Director of Men No doctor now. Nicola willis Poor Nicola.

982
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Speaker 3: She went away to Antarctica last week and she was

983
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: if you've ever been to Antarctica, it's amazing down there.

984
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Speaker 3: She's probably having the absolute time of her life, just

985
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: being blown away by nature. Meanwhile, people are just being

986
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Speaker 3: mean about her, including a most notably Robert McCullough, the economist,

987
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Speaker 3: the Auckland University Professor of economics. If you recall last

988
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Speaker 3: week wrote that brutal opinion piece in the Herald. Now

989
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: Nicola's back, it's probably caught up on it and she's

990
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: going to be with us after six o'clock, so we'll

991
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,959
Speaker 3: ask her she will give her a right of reply

992
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: to that show We five twenty one the.

993
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Speaker 2: Then you trust to get the answers you need, Heather

994
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: Dup to see allan drive with one New Zealand.

995
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

996
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 3: Heither. Surely the edited version of the ABIs was removed

997
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 3: the Hucker because it made a political statement. It's a

998
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 3: bit rich from a country that stood against politics interfering

999
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: with sport in the nineteen eighties. Yeah, there'd be a

1000
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: lot of people who'll be feeling pretty grumpy about this

1001
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 3: and would have been absolutely fine about us taking a

1002
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 3: stance on the Springbok tour and the apartheid in South

1003
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: Africa and so on. Anyway, we'll talk to the Huddle

1004
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 3: about it shortly and Mark Mitchell, police Minister on opening

1005
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: that new cop shop in Central Auckland as well. Five

1006
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: twenty four now won't have escaped your attention that we

1007
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 3: are one year into the coalition that was yesterday, and

1008
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: so the questions, of course, what do we make of it? Well,

1009
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 3: let's deal with the main players in the coalition. First day,

1010
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 3: Chris Luxon, Now, I reckon, Chris came into the job

1011
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: probably hoping to be the next John Key, super popular,

1012
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 3: shrugging off controversially, largely governing by incremental change and everybody

1013
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: feeling absolutely stoked with that. Instead of being the next

1014
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: John Key, I reckon, he's shaping up to be the

1015
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: next Gim Bolger, not really super popular, under threat of

1016
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: being replaced by a woman in his team, you know

1017
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: what I mean by that? And Kinnen one of those

1018
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: prime ministers who is wedged between two more memorable prime ministers,

1019
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? For Bolger it was

1020
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: Longie on one side and Clarky on the other, and

1021
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 3: for Luxe and it's j Justinda on one side and

1022
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: whoever is elected next on the other. On David Seymour,

1023
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 3: I reckon, of the three leaders in this coalition, he's

1024
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: the one that we actually need the most right now,

1025
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 3: because I suspect he's actually to be fair. I think

1026
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: he might be the smartest of the three of them,

1027
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: because he's got all the ideas, and he's brave enough,

1028
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 3: given his voter base, to propose reform and do brave things.

1029
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: He's the guy wanting to go hard on cutting the

1030
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 3: fat out of the public service. He's the guy brave

1031
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: enough to tackle the race relations nonsense that we've grown

1032
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 3: so accustomed to in the last fifty years. But the

1033
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: problem is, like with a lot of very very very

1034
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: smart people, David, I suspect is not easy to work

1035
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: with and so comes across as quite bratty. I mean

1036
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: it says a lot. What did Luxon say today? Luxon

1037
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: and Winnie and their girlfriends go out on double Day,

1038
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 3: but David's not invited. That probably tells you a lot. Winnip. Now,

1039
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: as always Winnipe promises a lot on the home front

1040
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 3: and generally doesn't deliver, always very slow to deliver. And

1041
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: this time is much the same as then, but as

1042
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 3: every other time basically. But he is an awesome foreign minister.

1043
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 3: He knows what he's doing. He's been around long enough

1044
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: to have very good connections, and I reckon. I mean,

1045
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: he's pretty much shaping up to be the best one

1046
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: we've had in living memory, and that is very important

1047
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 3: at a time like this, because this is when we

1048
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: really need him to be awesome at his job.

1049
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 19: Right.

1050
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: He was more ready for a Trump reelection than Australia

1051
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: was this time around, So very valuable in that respect.

1052
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: For the coalition itself, they have actually like they've annoyed

1053
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: a lot of people, they actually got a lot done

1054
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: in the last year. I feel like they have spent

1055
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: the last year stopping our bike from warbling. Do you

1056
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: know what I mean? They've writed it. It's not wabbling anymore.

1057
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 3: But now I feel like what they need to do

1058
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: is they need to tell us how they're going to

1059
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: make this bike go faster in the next ten, next

1060
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: year or so and from there on it we need

1061
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 3: a plan for this country to get rich again. That

1062
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: is what we need. We need money in this country.

1063
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: We need a vision and we haven't quite got that

1064
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: from this government yet. So one year in pretty good

1065
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: next bit, I think it's going to be the real test.

1066
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Speaker 1: For ever due for ce Ellen's Okay, here we.

1067
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Speaker 3: Go, as if things couldn't get worse for Sir Quia Stamer.

1068
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Speaker 3: I mean, Jeezu's probably looking at Luxin's government going that

1069
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 3: looks awesome from where I'm sitting right now. This is

1070
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Speaker 3: the one running the UK brand new government. There is

1071
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: now a petition calling for a new general election over there,

1072
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 3: and he just had they add one the other day.

1073
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 3: And this it's not just sort of like change dot

1074
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Speaker 3: org dot NZ. Fifty thousand people have signed it. This

1075
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Speaker 3: petition has now hit one and a half million signatures.

1076
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: So as if he needs anything else to go wrong,

1077
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: this is going wrong for him as well. We're going

1078
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 3: to speak to Kay Oliver, who is our UK correspondent

1079
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,479
Speaker 3: this evening. She'll be with us called at a seven

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Speaker 3: Headlines next.

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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1082
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Speaker 2: your car on your drive home here the dupleth the

1083
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Speaker 2: Allan drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and

1084
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: you talk as they'd.

1085
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Speaker 17: Be now.

1086
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Speaker 3: Whether if you'd ask me a year ago, would I

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00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: ever admire David cmoy I would have said no. But

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Speaker 3: I'm actually very impressed with him, not especially his politics,

1089
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: but because he speaks. Well, we're going to talk to

1090
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 3: the huddle about that shortly. It's Tris Sherson.

1091
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 8: Oh no it's not.

1092
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: It's Joe Speghany who's back from the US. So we'll

1093
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: talk to her about that. As well, that'll be fascinating

1094
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: also David Farah, both of whom have been watching politics

1095
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 3: and working in it for the longest time, so we'll

1096
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 3: get their take on how the government's gone one year

1097
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: and in New Zealand. Now g was honestly, I mean

1098
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 3: talk about a run of bad years for a company

1099
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 3: and proving unable to turn it around. Air New Zealand

1100
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 3: has has issued its half yearly earnings guidance and it's

1101
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: down as much as thirty five percent lower than a

1102
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: year ago. They're blaming the engines, so that's kind of

1103
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: out of their hands, I guess to some extent, question

1104
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 3: is really just the engines anyway. Shane Soley has has

1105
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: been across us all day today. He's going to be

1106
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 3: with us just about quarter past six or thereabouts.

1107
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 7: Right now.

1108
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 3: It's twenty four away.

1109
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: From six, Heather doul So.

1110
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: The police are moving back into Auckland CBD be a

1111
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: new station on Federal Street, just one hundred and seventy

1112
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: meters from the big old police station that police moved

1113
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 3: out of just a few years ago, and the Minister

1114
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell is with us A Mitch Hi Heather, there

1115
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 3: was one upon a time there was one at Fort Street.

1116
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 3: You didn't think about opening one there?

1117
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 20: Well, the Federal Street one is just such a good

1118
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 20: centralized location. It covers just about the entire CBD, including downtown.

1119
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 20: So I just think that they thought strategically, you know,

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00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 20: it's just a very good location to have a storefront again,

1121
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 20: which is actually a great announcement.

1122
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: And when are you actually having the storefront?

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Speaker 20: So from what I understand is that when it's finally

1124
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 20: delivered will be sort of early to mid next year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, was it a mistake then to close down the

1126
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: one just down the road at Meryl Drive.

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00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 20: Look, obviously those were decisions that were taken on previous

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Speaker 20: by previous governments. I know that I had a policing

1129
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 20: career myself. I started at it as a beat cop

1130
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 20: in the CBD, and it was good having police officers

1131
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 20: operating out of what was then the Wharf Police Station.

1132
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 20: It was quite a popular place to go all beat constables.

1133
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 20: But I think the Federal Street option is just such

1134
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 20: a good option that centralized our beat officers are covering

1135
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 20: the entire CBD. The feedback and anecdotal feedback has just

1136
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 20: been fantastic from shopkeepers, the retailers, residents, people coming in

1137
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 20: to work in the CBD. It really has had a

1138
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 20: big impact. But I just want to say that it's

1139
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 20: been a team effort. Auckland Council has been very good.

1140
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 20: We've had government agencies, KOMSD, residents and rape pars groups,

1141
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 20: Business Association, CPNZ, Mary Warden's Social Service Prize. Everyone's come

1142
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 20: together and really got focused in aligned with a strategy

1143
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 20: to make our CBD much safer.

1144
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: Mitch, that photograph of the cop wearing the I think

1145
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 3: it was a black Power jacket. Why was he wearing

1146
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 3: that patch?

1147
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: Look, I don't know.

1148
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 20: I'm not going to speak for him obviously, you know,

1149
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 20: disappointed that that happened, and I know that he'll be

1150
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 20: feeling worse than anyone in terms of you know, it's

1151
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 20: a poor reflection and he'll really be feeling it. But

1152
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 20: you know, at the end of the day, the police

1153
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 20: will deal with it internally.

1154
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: Was it, Because what I'm interested in knowing is just

1155
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 3: whether he was sympathetic towards the gang or whether he

1156
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 3: had confiscated at some stage for whatever reason and was

1157
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: putting it on just being a bit silly.

1158
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 20: I don't think it was being sympathetic towards the gang,

1159
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 20: but I don't want to speculate and I don't want

1160
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 20: to speak for him, and the police now obviously deal

1161
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 20: with it internally.

1162
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what's going to happen to the police officers

1163
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 3: who left the Prime minister's itinerary on the dashboard?

1164
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 5: Oh?

1165
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 20: I think I think they'll get a bit of a

1166
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 20: reminder not to do that. But look, at the end

1167
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 20: of the day, we're all human and we all make mistakes,

1168
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 20: and it was it was a minimum one, but it

1169
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 20: was a good reminder and I'm sure it won't happen again.

1170
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 5: I've got no idea.

1171
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 20: I don't know what was on it actually, Okay.

1172
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: So it was like pops into bakery that type of thing,

1173
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: rather than it might have been there.

1174
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 20: It might it might have been might have been some

1175
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 20: of the prime ministers itinery. But at the end of

1176
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 20: the day, most of that is pretty well, it's already

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Speaker 20: been broadcast ahead of time.

1178
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 5: In terms of where he's going.

1179
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 3: It's not like anybody is very cross with Luxan, is it.

1180
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: He's not on that a huge amount of threat, is he.

1181
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 20: I'm not going to comment on that. Yeah, no, no, Look,

1182
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 20: he's The short answer is no, But he's got a

1183
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 20: very competent, world class DPS team there that are there

1184
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 20: to deal with anything that may that may arise. And look,

1185
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 20: at the end of the day, everyone recognizes the fact

1186
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 20: that that was a breaking, a break in protocol. It's

1187
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 20: a good reminder. I don't think it was DPS. I

1188
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 20: think it was a police officers sort of supporting the visit.

1189
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 20: And but you know, like I said, we're all human

1190
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 20: and we will make mistakes, and I'm sure they won't

1191
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 20: do it again too, right, we do.

1192
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 3: All right, Mark, thank you very much. Make Mitchell the

1193
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: Police Minister the.

1194
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, local and global

1195
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: exposure like no other.

1196
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 3: Just to reminder, Nikola Willis the Finance ministers with us

1197
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: after six o'clock we're going to ask her how much

1198
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: money we're putting into as a rich country into the

1199
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Speaker 3: poor countries to help them deal with the climate with us.

1200
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Speaker 3: Right now on the huddle, we've got David Farrow of

1201
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 3: Kiwi Blog and also Joseph Agani of Child Fun. How

1202
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,479
Speaker 3: are you guys, Hello, Josie, how do you feel about

1203
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 3: the hucker?

1204
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 12: Well, look, he says he did it for good intentions,

1205
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 12: I'm sure he did. He's motivated by showing some unity

1206
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 12: as a nation. But the problem is, I think that's

1207
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 12: a bit naive. I mean, you imagine you're waiving the

1208
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 12: mun and we're to hockey flag. You imagine if it

1209
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 12: had been I don't know, the Palestinian flag or something,

1210
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 12: and you're trying to say, oh, I'm just doing it

1211
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,479
Speaker 12: for healing and peace, and I just calling for peace,

1212
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 12: it would be seen politically agree Yeah. Oh sorry, I

1213
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 12: thought I'd just been cut off there. But yeah, So

1214
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 12: I think it's naive. And secondly, I think that you know,

1215
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 12: if you're going in principle, if you're going to say

1216
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 12: you can use the hucker for you know, showing solidarity

1217
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 12: for the HIKOI you actually have to follow the principle

1218
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 12: through and agree that you have to be happy to

1219
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 12: use the hukker for something that you don't agree with.

1220
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 12: So you imagine, I don't know if Israel Flow or

1221
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 12: something who had very controversial views around same sex relationships,

1222
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 12: but he managed to get you know, his all Blacks

1223
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 12: team on side and the all Blacks and so on.

1224
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 12: If that had happened, we be outraged, right, I mean,

1225
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 12: I think the principle. If you're going to use the

1226
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 12: hauker politically, you have to be prepared for it to

1227
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 12: be used for something that you don't always agree with.

1228
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 12: And that's where the problem is.

1229
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon, David on the personal live?

1230
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 7: Of course, any sportsperson can make any political statement they want, right,

1231
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 7: there's there, right, absolutely, But it's really stupid because what

1232
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 7: it doesn't unify When you decide to use your walking

1233
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 7: position to make political stance, half the country probably doesn't

1234
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 7: agree with you. And you do it enough, and the

1235
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 7: has happened in America with the NFL, etc. People start

1236
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 7: switching off because it's hard to get enthusiastic about your

1237
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 7: favorite players and teams if you think they dramatically disagree

1238
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 7: with me and don't respect what I think. And that's

1239
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 7: one of its best for them not to do the

1240
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 7: polity every right to. But there are consequences.

1241
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that, Josey.

1242
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 21: I do think.

1243
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 12: I do think though, that people who are all sort

1244
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 12: of canceling their Sky subscriptions and so on, that you know,

1245
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 12: we'll all smell the selling smelling salts and we'll all

1246
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 12: get over it, because it's not actually the biggest problem

1247
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 12: that faces the country right now. There's a whole bunch

1248
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 12: of other problems, and I just think we're pissed off

1249
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 12: about it, or people are pissed off about it because

1250
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 12: you know, as you said, David, that half the country

1251
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 12: don't agree with this, so they're going, oh, you know,

1252
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 12: we don't like you making a political statement. And again

1253
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 12: that's what I'm saying is that if you if you

1254
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 12: agree with it for those who think it was a

1255
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 12: brave thing for him to do and they agree with

1256
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 12: his politics, you have to be prepared to agree with

1257
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 12: someone who does it for something you don't agree with you.

1258
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 12: And I don't think that's where the problem is, David.

1259
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: I tell you what I was thinking. The thing is

1260
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: you say like half the country disagrees, is actually at

1261
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: the last polling that you did, was the last polling

1262
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: that we've got, it's actually something more like two thirds

1263
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: of people who actually had an opinion would have been

1264
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 3: in support of the general idea of the Treaty Principle's

1265
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 3: referendum versus one third who wasn't. But why I'm telling

1266
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 3: you this is because I want to know where's the

1267
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: next lot of polling. Are you guys not polling on

1268
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 3: this anymore.

1269
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 7: Well, look, we have a monthly poll that was we

1270
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 7: did a poll last October on it. We did another

1271
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 7: one in October. Wants the government announce new principles, and

1272
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 7: seeing they've now had slightly different principles in the bill

1273
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 7: they introduce, it is our our intention to have a

1274
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 7: poll in our December on the Boss and it'd be

1275
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 7: very interesting to see what comes up because any changes

1276
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 7: may reflect the slightly different wording, or it may reflect

1277
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 7: that Peace Paul agree with the opponents, or it might

1278
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 7: reflect that actually the opponents have turned them off. So

1279
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 7: what's for mid December for the latest polling.

1280
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 12: We know what though, David, I reckon that people aren't

1281
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 12: even reading the David Seymour Act, Treaty Principals Bill, et cetera,

1282
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 12: et cetera, because the whole thing has just been pitched

1283
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 12: now is that you're either for Mary or anti Marty.

1284
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 12: And whether you've read the Principal Treaty Principal Bill or not,

1285
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 12: or whatever you think about it, I don't think any

1286
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 12: changing in the wording will change anything. It's now been

1287
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 12: very successfully framed as pro or anti Mary.

1288
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 7: They're very right Josie. But when we pull on it,

1289
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 7: we actually read the proposed principles out and you're right

1290
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 7: too that if you guys asked about the bill generally

1291
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 7: you can get a different response to these are the

1292
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 7: proposed principles, Do you agree or disagree on them? And

1293
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 7: give me a weeber away here in a December poll,

1294
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 7: We're actually going to break them down to the three

1295
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 7: separate proposed principles to see if we can find where

1296
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 7: is there more agreement and disagreement I speak. We're going

1297
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 7: to find that very few people disagree with the first

1298
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 7: and third principles, which is about the government can government quality,

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Speaker 7: and it will be the second one. Hopefully that will

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Speaker 7: help the public discussion because if we can actually say

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Speaker 7: we don't all disagree on everything, it's actually just the

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Speaker 7: wording of one of the principles, that could be a

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Speaker 7: good thing. But who knows what the results are, right.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be absolutely fascinated, Thank you, David. But

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Speaker 3: now I've got something to look forward to, apart from

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00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: obviously Christmas, like everybody else, come back to you guys,

1307
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 3: and just to take quarter.

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Speaker 2: Two the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, elevate

1309
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Speaker 2: the marketing of your home.

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Speaker 3: Right back with the heart of David Phara, Joe Speghani, David,

1311
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Speaker 3: what do you reckon? How's the government going? One year in?

1312
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Speaker 7: Pretty good? Actually, I locked around the world and you've

1313
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 7: had all these governments like you look in the UK,

1314
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 7: came in with a massive lead and twelve months on

1315
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Speaker 7: they're vuly. Like you know, Keir Starmer is underwater in

1316
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 7: his ratings and I think what you see here is

1317
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 7: it's just been solid. They're not more popular, not particularly

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Speaker 7: less popular when they came and Luxin is kept around

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01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 7: in a bridge of a plus three percent approval rating,

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Speaker 7: et cetera. And sure you can look at the John

1321
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 7: Kia and say, oh he doesn't compare that, but you

1322
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 7: look at Australia, Canada, UK, America, et cetera, and things

1323
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 7: are pretty good. I think the biggest achievement, and this

1324
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 7: will send a bit funny, is making Erica stand for

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Speaker 7: the education minister. I think what she is doing the

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Speaker 7: so quickly and with such determination is so important and

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Speaker 7: is by far got the most positive payoffice as.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 12: Aren't we all.

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Speaker 7: Looks like melting her house? Who you wouldn't be surprised

1331
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 7: they whispered there under their breath, But I was honestly

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01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 7: surprised it was Erica. It just shows you human, like

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Speaker 7: all what you know what after.

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Speaker 3: She called after she called Jen a stupid b ward.

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Speaker 3: Then I started hearing about all the other stuff that

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Speaker 3: Erica says and all the pot he is not even

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Speaker 3: that bad out of Erica's mouth, And it totally surprised me.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that she's small like this, Josey.

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Speaker 12: No, I didn't, And and I kind of like that

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Speaker 12: in a person. I mean obviously not on air news

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Speaker 12: to z B drive time, but yes, it makes a human.

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Speaker 12: But look when I look at the government now, you know, yes,

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01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 12: they're not in trouble like Keir Starmer's government in terms

1344
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 12: of popularity. I think they do have a vision. I

1345
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 12: think the biggest failure, which is going to get bigger

1346
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 12: and bigger for them is their inability to explain it.

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Speaker 12: And if you take me, then well yeah, so it's

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Speaker 12: not my job to explain it. But what I think

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01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 12: it is, Heather is is basically we were elected as

1350
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 12: as Jacinda Ardun was elected on a kind of wish

1351
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 12: for a government to do something about child poverty, about inequality.

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01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 12: There was a real sense of transformation was needed. They

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Speaker 12: were elected on a promise of chain the economy, get

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Speaker 12: the economy working again and so on, and competent management.

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Speaker 12: And I think this what the problem is. They haven't

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Speaker 12: really been able to explain an exciting vision. It gets

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01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 12: people going, Okay, I get it. So if you take

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Speaker 12: the he Corey as an example, that was a moment

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Speaker 12: where any leader needs to step up and stand up

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Speaker 12: in front of people and go The reason I have

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Speaker 12: let this Treaty principal bill through is because I believe

1362
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Speaker 12: in a democratic debate. I don't agree with the bill.

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Speaker 12: So he kind of said it, but he said it,

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Speaker 12: he says it in a sort of managerial way. And

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Speaker 12: I think that's the problem for them, is that they're

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Speaker 12: doing incremental change. And you mentioned Erica Stanford. You're right, David,

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Speaker 12: She's come in with a good plan to getting you know,

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Speaker 12: an hour of maths, you know, compulsory mass and so on,

1369
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 12: but it's not going to be enough to do something

1370
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 12: where I think it's like with health, you need massive transformation.

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Speaker 12: You cannot solve that long tail and education with just

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Speaker 12: one hour of mass a week or whatever. So that

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Speaker 12: I think they're failing to real communicate an exciting vision

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Speaker 12: and get people feeling really passionate about it.

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Speaker 3: I felt David a little bit sorry for David seymore

1376
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 3: to hear that Luxon and Amanda and Winnipe and Jan

1377
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 3: are going on double dates together over dinner and David's

1378
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 3: been left out.

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Speaker 7: Maybe it's actually I think he does have a partner

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01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 7: does Yeah, yeah, but sometimes you need to spend more

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01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 7: time on what can be the more challenging relationship. I

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01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 7: don't mean once all accounts has actually been a sternly

1383
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 7: good coalition partner, but there is more history with Winston.

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01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 7: Like Winston you did have the big divorce with the

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Speaker 7: National government.

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Speaker 1: There, come on.

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Speaker 3: Fun to have dinner with because he hits the whisky exactly, Heather.

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Speaker 12: I was just going to say that it's about who's

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01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 12: more fun to have dinner with, although I'm sure David

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01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 12: is you know, God has got anecdotes and can sort

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01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 12: of amuse it dinner party. But yeah, I think it's

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01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 12: to do with a personal connection perhaps between Winston Peters

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01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 12: and Luxelon. And it was probably again a little bit

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Speaker 12: sort of politically naive to even have suggested that, you know,

1395
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 12: Winston and I have dinners and we do double dating,

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 12: and David and I have meetings. It's like, oh, I'm

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01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 12: not sure that's.

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Speaker 3: Helping now, Yeah, that's really going to make David be

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Speaker 3: nice to you in public. Guys, Thank you so much,

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01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 3: appreciate it. David Farrer and Joseph ganey our hut all

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01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 3: this evening at seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: Red or Blue?

1403
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: Trump or Harris? Who will win the battleground states? The

1404
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 2: latest on the US election. It's Heather Duplicy allan drive

1405
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: with one New Zealand. Let's get connected these talks'd behither.

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01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 3: I love swear. Sweary Erica Stanford. I swear like a trooper,

1407
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 3: and it's great to know another stoppy woman is doing

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01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 3: the same. Love it, keep it up. That's from Jilly

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01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 3: Gilly Gilly a woman. Yeah, Heather, people who swear are honest.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 3: So that's your excuse. So when your mum tells you off,

1412
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking about my own personal circumstances here, when

1413
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 3: your mum tells you off for just randomly pep every

1414
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 3: other sentence with F bombs, you just say it's because

1415
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 3: I'm honest. And that's a wonderful attribute to having a chance.

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01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 22: Kids listening, get a second opinion on this before you

1417
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 22: try it, please actually try it.

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01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 3: Try it with your parents, see see how it goes down.

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01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: Why not you're going to try it with anybody. Try

1420
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 3: it with your parents. It'll be quite fun. It'll be fun, fun, evening, fun,

1421
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 3: dinner fun, dinner time. It has got to the point.

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01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 12: So I do I do.

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01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 3: I do love the odd invective for the purposes of reinforcement.

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01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 3: You know, it just makes your statement feel a lot better,

1425
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 3: doesn't it, Like it really introduces a passion into your sentence. Anyway,

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01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 3: the other day, the husband did something and I dropped

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01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 3: the F bomb. I said if mate to him, and

1428
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 3: the baby said if mate back to me, and I thought,

1429
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 3: and there I end my swearing because little mate at

1430
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 3: three is talking a lot and we don't need to

1431
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 3: going to Kendy and repeating that. So yeah, just like

1432
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 3: you know, you can be a potty mouth mummy, but

1433
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Speaker 3: you don't want to do it in front the children.

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01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 3: I think we're all learning that lesson. Hey, listen, taxpayers Union. Now,

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01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 3: I like the taxpayers Union because I like keeping people

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01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 3: accountable with the money and stuff like that. But I'm

1437
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 3: gonna pull them up on this. This is going a

1438
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 3: bit far. They've put out a press release and they're

1439
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 3: having a crack at TV and Z because TV and

1440
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 3: Z has blown sixty four thousand dollars on Christmas parties

1441
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Speaker 3: for two years now. That's thirty two thousand dollars a year,

1442
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 3: and they've got six hundred staff, So that's fifty three

1443
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 3: dollars ahead. What does fifty three even buy you? Does

1444
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 3: that even buy you six beers? Does it even buy

1445
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 3: you five beers? Like, come on, think about how miserable

1446
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 3: it is to work at TV and Z already right,

1447
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 3: that's that's not a fun place to work. They are

1448
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 3: already have they're losing their jobs, and they're also public servants.

1449
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 3: And then got to toe the line, you know, can't

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01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 3: possibly oppose the he Corey et cetera, et cetera. They

1451
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 3: are entitled to have just a few beers at Christmas time.

1452
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 3: Lay off them on that one, please, Everything else is okay?

1453
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 3: Nikolaula's next, what's hard?

1454
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: What's down? What were the major calls?

1455
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 2: And how will it affect the economy of the big

1456
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 2: business questions on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicylan and

1457
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 2: my Hr on news.

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01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 3: Talksb even in coming up in the next hour, Shane

1459
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 3: Soley's going to talk us through what's going wrong for

1460
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 3: e New Zealand at the moment. We'll have a chat

1461
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 3: to Wellington City councilor Ben McNulty on why on earth

1462
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 3: they're still not properly funding the water pipe prepares. We'll

1463
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 3: also head off to the UK at seven past six,

1464
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 3: and of course our Finance minister is Nichola Willis Hi,

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01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 3: Nicola Hi. How much are we putting into that climate

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Speaker 3: finance fund?

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Speaker 23: Well, look, we haven't made a decision on that yet.

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01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 23: There's no set amount that we need to put in.

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01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 23: Each country decides its contribution. Our last current climate finance

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01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 23: commitment for twenty two to twenty five was one point

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Speaker 23: three billion. That obviously ends at the end of next

1472
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 23: year and we'll then decide on our next commitment.

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Speaker 3: That's one point three billion over three years, right, So

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01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 3: that's right, yeah, yeah, or three or four years or something,

1475
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 3: because it works out at two hundred and thirty five. Now,

1476
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 3: if the total package to the total path from the

1477
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 3: rich countries to the poor countries has gone from one

1478
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 3: hundred billion to five hundred billion, so it's up five times.

1479
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 3: Is our contribution not naturally therefore going to go up

1480
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 3: five times?

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01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 23: Well, look, we will always do our part to support

1482
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 23: global efforts on climate change and climate finance, but there

1483
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,799
Speaker 23: isn't a specific target or amount that each country must contribute.

1484
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,799
Speaker 23: So we as a cabinet need to weigh that contribution

1485
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 23: against all of the other contributions we make in terms

1486
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 23: of aid, in terms of development, in terms of what

1487
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 23: we're doing with our own technology, research and science here

1488
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 23: at home.

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01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 3: Is it definitely going to go up?

1490
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 23: There's nothing definite heither. This is something for Anectos as

1491
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 23: a cabinet and make.

1492
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 3: Choices about can we make it go down?

1493
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 23: Well, as I said, look, our last contribution was one

1494
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 23: point three over four. There are questions for us to

1495
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,440
Speaker 23: answer about do we want to make an annual contribution,

1496
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 23: do we want to have that multi year contribution and

1497
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 23: all of that things that were yet to step through.

1498
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 23: I haven't even taken advice on it yet.

1499
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Speaker 3: What is this money being used for?

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01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 23: Well, it goes towards those developing countries to help them

1501
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 23: lower their emissions. So you think of the likes of

1502
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 23: African countries that are still relying on coal power stations

1503
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 23: helping them convert. The basic argument being that some of

1504
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 23: those countries haven't yet gone through the development that the

1505
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 23: rest of the world has and being asked to make

1506
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 23: the transition of keys existence the same.

1507
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 3: We're facing the same trouble, right We've got a mountain

1508
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 3: of coal sitting at Huntley because we're also struggling with

1509
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 3: the transition, Like, how can we justify giving money away

1510
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 3: to help other people convert when we ourselves are struggling

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Speaker 3: we need the money.

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Speaker 23: Look, I'm sympathetic to the view that says we should

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Speaker 23: really make sure we're doing things right at home. But

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Speaker 23: this is a bit similar to the aid argument in general,

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Speaker 23: which is yes, in New Zealand, we still have challenges

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Speaker 23: in our own health system, our own education system. Yet

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Speaker 23: as global citizens, we recognize our role in making contributions

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Speaker 23: to countries that are far, far, far less well off

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Speaker 23: than we.

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Speaker 12: We're just part of being a global sit I.

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Speaker 3: Take it same principle. But if you think about our

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Speaker 3: aid budget versus this, how much is our aid budget

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Speaker 3: versus what we're spending on climate aid?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, well this is obviously pretty big in proportion aid budget.

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Speaker 23: Aid budget is still bigger. But I and I in

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Speaker 23: my mind do think of those two buckets in a

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Speaker 23: similar way. Both of them are about our global contribution, and.

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Speaker 17: I think it's right.

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Speaker 23: Your point is right, we should be balancing up both

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Speaker 23: of those. How much are we giving an aid as

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Speaker 23: a whole and what proportion of that is climate aid?

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Speaker 3: Jeez, okay, listen, when are you going to make a

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Speaker 3: decision on it?

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Speaker 23: Well, we will have advice on it obviously ahead of

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Speaker 23: the budget, because, as I say, the current Climate client

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Speaker 23: Climate finance commitment ends at the end of next year,

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Speaker 23: so we'll need to make a decision ahead of the budget.

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Speaker 3: On the budget. Are you guys not going to hit

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01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 3: surplus in twenty seven to twenty eight.

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Speaker 23: Well, look, I'm going to make an announcement about the

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Speaker 23: forecasts on the seventeenth of December. But you will have

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Speaker 23: seen that Treasury's chief economist last week pointed out that

1543
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,799
Speaker 23: there are lots of challenges to that position. Big challenge

1544
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Speaker 23: being that we depend on the forecasts of the growth

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01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 23: in the economy. When the economy is smaller, there's less revenue,

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Speaker 23: makes it harder to get a surplus. And what Treasury

1547
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 23: I've basically had to do is readjust all of their

1548
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Speaker 23: forecasts over successive forecasts. They essentially overestimated how enduring the

1549
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 23: balance back after COVID would be, and we're now in

1550
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 23: a long hangover. So the numbers are reflecting that I

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01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 23: can't control Treasury's forecast assumptions. What I can control and

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01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,839
Speaker 23: will control, is our government's discretionary spending decisions.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So it sounds to me like the So you're

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Speaker 3: going to make an announcement on December seventeen as to

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Speaker 3: whether you're going to hit that surplus or not.

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Speaker 23: That's right. That's when I'll share the latest forecasts, which

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Speaker 23: will illustrate where that sits.

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Speaker 3: It sounds to me like you guys are softening us

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01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 3: up for the fact that you're not going to hit it.

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Speaker 23: Well, look, I've always been clear I'm not going to

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Speaker 23: chase a surplus at all costs. Forecasts move up and down.

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Speaker 23: What I've committed to New Zealanders is that we will

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Speaker 23: make sensible, prudent fiscal decisions to get the books back

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Speaker 23: in balance over time, and we remain on that course.

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Speaker 3: Which is which brings us to Robert McCulloch's column. Did

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Speaker 3: you read that last week? When you were away.

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Speaker 23: I did hear that and can I can I give

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Speaker 23: a response to it, because my goodness. First of all,

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Speaker 23: he said that I do have another year to prove myself.

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Speaker 23: So that's good because no one promised to solve the

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Speaker 23: economy in year one. Then he said, look, we're having

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Speaker 23: low growth. Well look my view is yes we are,

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Speaker 23: and that's my entire rays on Deetra. What we committed

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Speaker 23: was first get inflation under control, get interest rates coming down,

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Speaker 23: deliver neutral X relief. We've done those things. We are

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Speaker 23: very focused on driving growth forward. Then he said, and

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Speaker 23: this was the curious bit, he said, oh, look she's

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 23: not doing enough to break up monopoly powers. Well, here

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Speaker 23: is what I'd say to that I am different from

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Speaker 23: other finance ministers and that I have directly confronted the

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Speaker 23: major trading banks. I've said that I'm going to do

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Speaker 23: regulatory reform at the Reserve Bank. We have the Parliamentary

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Speaker 23: Select Committee and going on. I am very determined on

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Speaker 23: that score. And I'd like to put this out to

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Speaker 23: Robert McCulloch if he has more ideas on how we

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Speaker 23: can drive competition in the New Zealand economy to break

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Speaker 23: up some of these duopolies who are making too much

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Speaker 23: money out of New Zealanders. Then I am up for

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Speaker 23: those ideas. I am a competition warrior. I love markets

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Speaker 23: that operate competitively and that is very much on my

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01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 23: agender as a finance mind staff I could keep going

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Speaker 23: through his points here this but I felt that I

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01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 23: had a response to each of them, and I basically thought, yep,

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Speaker 23: you ain't seen nothing yet.

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Speaker 3: Ye one would to come, oh well please, because as

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Speaker 3: point is simply which gets us back to the surplus thing.

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Speaker 3: His points are simply big talk not delivering right. And

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Speaker 3: before the election in the campaign you were sneering at

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Speaker 3: Labour's surplus of two point one that they had projected,

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Speaker 3: and you said you were going to deliver two point nine.

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Speaker 3: But when it comes to the crunch, actually we don't

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Speaker 3: have that's not happening.

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Speaker 23: Well, what we have done is dramatically reduced the rate

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Speaker 23: of expenditure growth. There's no question if Labor were in

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01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 23: power now, the deficit would be a lot worse.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 23: I heard you talking on this point last week and

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Speaker 23: you said, look, she's actually still spending more than Labor.

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Speaker 23: So I've gone back and I've looked at the records

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Speaker 23: going back to nineteen seventy two, so over more than

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Speaker 23: fifty years, there is only one ever example of government

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Speaker 23: spending going down in real dollar terms. Because of course

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Speaker 23: each year population grows, there's inflation, there is weight to growth,

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Speaker 23: and so what we've done is rapidly halt the rate

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Speaker 23: of increase. That's the right thing to do. We will

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Speaker 23: continue on that course. But if the argument is really

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Speaker 23: that we should have slashed funding to below the levels

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Speaker 23: it was even while the population grew, and even while

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Speaker 23: there was still high inflation, then I'd put to you, actually,

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Speaker 23: I'm a bit more compassionate than that, because I do

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Speaker 23: care about frontline service delivery.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Nichola, thank you. I really appreciate your time. That's

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Speaker 3: Nichola Willis the Finance Minister's quart.

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Speaker 2: A past analysis from the experts, bringing you everything you

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Speaker 2: need to know on the US election. It's the Business

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Speaker 2: Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR the HR

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Speaker 2: solution for busy SMEs used talks.

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Speaker 1: It'd be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as I thought, this is not going to go

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01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 3: down well, getting a lot of text messages on US

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Speaker 3: giving money to poorer countries for the climate. Hither when

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01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 3: family members die down here in the South because of

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01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 3: inadequate health resources, I'll reassure them in the global in

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Speaker 3: the knowledge that we are at least being responsible global citizens.

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Speaker 3: That's all right. So okay, if they die over here,

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Speaker 3: as long as they're not dying over there. Heither, let's

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Speaker 3: not give any money to poorer countries and aim for

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Speaker 3: surplus ourselves. Hither, get the home in order before we

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01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,799
Speaker 3: hand out money that we don't have. Hither, This climate

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Speaker 3: change donation nonsense is just an our journey and ruse

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Speaker 3: for these young polies to ingratiate themselves with the UN

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Speaker 3: and get jobs. Then when we're sick of them, I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you what, just to put this in a bit

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Speaker 3: of context for you. Right, So the amount of money,

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01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 3: I would say, almost undoubtedly it's going to go up.

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01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 3: I'd be surprised if Nikola Willison and the National led

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01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 3: government is prepared to go backwards on what we're funding

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Speaker 3: everybody else for the climate. So let's just say it's

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Speaker 3: the same amount. Let's say for now it's the same amount.

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Speaker 3: O kay, over four years, we're talking about one point

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Speaker 3: three billion dollars. That is almost exactly the same amount

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Speaker 3: that We've asked Lester Levy to cut out of our

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01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 3: health system. He's got to find savings of one point

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01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 3: four billion dollars. Now, question for you, where would you

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01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 3: prefer that money be? Because you know there's no ferry

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01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 3: at the bottom of the garden printing money for us. Right,

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01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 3: you've only got so much. So would you like the

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01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: one point three million billion dollars to go off to

1659
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 3: Africa and the Pacific and the Southeast Asian nations to

1660
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 3: help them all out fight the climate or would you

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01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 3: rather take that money and put it back in the

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Speaker 3: health system and employ some doctors and nurses, Because I

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01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 3: think the answer is pretty obvious for most of us.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen past six Shane Soally harbor asset management with US. Now,

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Speaker 3: Hey Shane, Hello, heater Shane. You've been at their New

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01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 3: Zealand AGM today. How's it looking?

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Speaker 24: Look it's been a really tough environment for a New Zion.

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Speaker 24: Despite this tough newsion economy and it's really massive supply.

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Speaker 24: Chane issues to actually provide a slightly positive update to

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Speaker 24: day driven by better cost control, revenue better than expected.

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 21: Talking about a little grin shoots.

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Speaker 24: And twos of small medium sized enterprises corporate travel Domestic

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01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 24: still got sixteen percent of the air fleet grounded by

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01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 24: lack a part supply chain. They're saying could get through

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01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 24: the worst of that by early twenty twenty six, and

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01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 24: they're even talking about growing a network again to three

1677
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Speaker 24: to four percent.

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01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 21: But it's all been driven.

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Speaker 24: By things they're doing internallys some transformation programs, talking about

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Speaker 24: three to FO one hundred men savings, a couple of

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01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 24: interesting nuggets in there, some new products, some new services

1682
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 24: will be apparently released pretty soon, but certainly investing for

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01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 24: their growth. Up to eight hundred million of capital investment

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01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 24: and per annum, so massive investment. They're talking about continuing

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Speaker 24: with their clean Skies initiative. By twenty thirty they having

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01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 24: ten percent of sustainable line viewers. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 24: a lot of these enhancements they've been working hard on

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01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 24: last year or two post COVID started to come through.

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Speaker 24: Still very tough.

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Speaker 3: So we are, i think, part way through the company

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Speaker 3: reporting season for the September period. What's the tone that

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Speaker 3: you're getting from the ins and X listed companies right now?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, we are in the think of that, Heather, You

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01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 24: right at the margin, results are looking slightly better than expected,

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Speaker 24: and it just suggests that the earnings for his own

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Speaker 24: companies may be basing again. Like in New Zealand, it's

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Speaker 24: been some tough runs, but we are seeing some real

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Speaker 24: spread of outcomes, global ag justic something main forre it,

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Speaker 24: bitter results starting to say they's some green shoots, a

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Speaker 24: bit of improvement. Reads that companies like Goodman and Argacy saying, hey,

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01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 24: we're seeing things getting a little bit better, but we're

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Speaker 24: not getting to eat of ourselves.

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Speaker 21: And we've got.

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Speaker 24: Companies that maybe thought to bounce back from a really

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01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 24: tough a whole space lad, and then we've got companies

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01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,839
Speaker 24: okay to total one out of the box, big upgrade.

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Speaker 24: So yeah, I think management teams still being cautious, but

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Speaker 24: they're becoming increasingly cautiously optimistic and bit of a contrast there,

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Speaker 24: and we think that might just provide a bit of

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01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 24: upside for his ze own company earnings.

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Speaker 3: Hey are we still are we still expecting a fifty

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Speaker 3: basis point cut this week?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 24: I think that's right. The market is saying fifty basis points.

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Speaker 24: You know, the data continues to point to inflation falling.

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Speaker 24: We are seeing businesses a little bit more confident there's

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Speaker 24: another reading later this week on Thursday, actually after the

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Speaker 24: Reserve Banking designs to report.

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Speaker 21: But you know again employment.

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Speaker 24: Level is it, so think we're going to watch for

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Speaker 24: that there is actually put unemployments on the creep up.

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Speaker 24: Reserve Bank may want to get ahead of that. This

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Speaker 24: is of course their last meeting before mid Debruary when

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Speaker 24: they come back after the summer break. So they have

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Speaker 24: maintained this path of less regrets, which means they don't

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Speaker 24: want to be the reserve bank that lets the inflation

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Speaker 24: gene out of the bottle by not by easing interest

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Speaker 24: rates to really, so they probably want to keep it a.

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Speaker 21: Little but not get too carried away.

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Speaker 24: So a three quarter point seven five percent cut that

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Speaker 24: would be a surprise.

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Speaker 21: So fifty years the odds on money at this stage.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hey, over in the US, shame, we've obviously had the

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Speaker 3: Trump trades push everything up and has come back a

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Speaker 3: wee bit. Now what are you looking when you look

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Speaker 3: at that? What do you think that means for returns

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01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 3: for the US share market and then for US as well.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, look, you've seen some extremes there. There's definitely some

1740
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Speaker 21: of the leverage exchange trade of phones, the cryptophones, all

1741
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 21: the sort of speculaive elements have really gone hot. But

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Speaker 21: there's four things that we're looking at that are sort

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Speaker 21: of seeing people will just be a bit more cautious

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Speaker 21: of recent days. Firstly, we've seen the Central Bank, the Reserve,

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Speaker 21: Central Bank, Reserve, US Federal Reserve, some of the commentators

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Speaker 21: just stepping back from cut expectations, says saying, hey, the

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Speaker 21: completion is not going away as quick quickly as we thought.

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Speaker 24: We're going to want to just be a bit slower

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Speaker 24: people are watching. Secondly, the Ukraine War getting broader. Thirdly,

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Speaker 24: certainly some of the policy a certaintly around some of

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01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 24: the appointments that mister Trump's proposing is just challenging a

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01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 24: few parts of the economy. And finally, I think you know,

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01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 24: we've seen some results, truly impressive results, but not enough,

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01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 24: not enough for expectations. And so normally we've see the

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Speaker 24: US market rally into the end of the year, into December,

1756
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Speaker 24: we've already seen four and a half five percent rally.

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Speaker 21: It's a long way for us here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 24: We've going to be careful about volatility around these political appointments,

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01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 24: particularly what that means for US bond markets and cheer markets.

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Speaker 24: And certainly there's more expansioning US fiscal spending, the government

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01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 24: spending more money that has potential to keep the reserve

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Speaker 24: bank interest rates higher, in the usual reserve higher, and

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Speaker 24: so that could mean that US dollar stays stronger, makes

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Speaker 24: it tougher for holidays.

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Speaker 21: Heather, totally US.

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Speaker 3: Shane, thanks very much appreciated. Shane Soly Harbor Asset Management,

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01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 3: just on the ocr Informetrics has pointed out that if

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Speaker 3: we get a fifty basis point cut, which is what

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01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 3: we're expecting, you're not going to see much movement in

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01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 3: your mortgage rate, right, So if you're if you're looking

1771
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 3: at the fixed rates, don't expect much because fifty basis

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01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 3: points has already been priced. And so maybe you get

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01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 3: a ten basis point cut or something like that on

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01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 3: the floating rate. Obviously it will drop the fullom mount,

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01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 3: but watch out for the seventy five basis point if

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01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 3: we get that as a cut, which really is an

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01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 3: outside chance that hasn't fully been priced, and so then

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01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 3: you see both of them, then you see it. You'll

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01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 3: see the drops right across the board fingers crossed. You

1780
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Speaker 3: never know Adrian surprises from time to time six twenty.

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Speaker 1: Four, crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: It's hither duplessy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to

1783
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 2: my HR, the HR solution for busy smys on news

1784
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 2: talks be getting a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of techs suggesting that Razor was vaping at the was

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01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 3: raised vaping at the game. I'm going to google it

1787
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 3: in a minute, and I'm gonna we're gonna clear this

1788
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 3: up because i might have just defamed the guy. I mean,

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01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 3: he's a sportsman and you can't just be going around

1790
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 3: saying rays of apes. So anyway, we'll come back to

1791
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 3: that swear at a Stanford, Megan, good from you. Erica

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01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 3: Stanford is now swear at a Stanford and she should

1793
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 3: be proud of it. How weird is that Business Desk

1794
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 3: interview today with Kenyon and Charlotte Clark. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you've caught up on this. If you haven't, let

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01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 3: me just let me just point this out to you. Okay,

1797
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 3: these are the guys who run Duvaile, right, and they're

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Speaker 3: the ones in trouble with the FMA and so on.

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Speaker 3: At the moment, it's clearly an interview that's designed to

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Speaker 3: elicit sympathy for them because they they've given the interview

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Speaker 3: to talk about the fact that they've they've been forced

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Speaker 3: to live on three thousand dollars a week between them

1803
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 3: rent paid. The rent is paid by the receivers. The

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01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 3: three thousand dollars is just you know, to fund lifestyle,

1805
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 3: et cetera, so that they're upset about that, and they're

1806
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 3: upset about the fact that that money has now dried up,

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01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 3: so now they've got no money to live on, and

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01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 3: they may in fact, the rent is overdue. No one's

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01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 3: paying the rent hasn't been paid for three weeks because

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01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 3: the receivers appear to have stopped paying them. And if

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01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,879
Speaker 3: you read between the lines, it seems like the receivers

1812
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 3: think that there's assets that has been that haven't been declared,

1813
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 3: like jewelry and stuff like that. Anyway, it's weird because

1814
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 3: she's crying in the interview. He's trying to find her tissues,

1815
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 3: he can't find the tissues, and they've got a mug

1816
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,560
Speaker 3: of gum boot tea and Value brand milk on the

1817
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 3: coffee table. I think you're supposed to feel sorry for

1818
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 3: them having to drink Value brand milk. Do you, because

1819
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 3: that's all I drink. That feels very normal to me anyway,

1820
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 3: just pointing that out.

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Speaker 25: Headline's next, whether it's Macro micro or just playing economics,

1822
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 25: it's all on the Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Allen

1823
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 25: and my HR the HR solution for Busy SMS, New

1824
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Speaker 25: Stalks busy.

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01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 3: Oh, he was vaping.

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01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:03,839
Speaker 7: He was vaping.

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Speaker 3: I looked it up on Twitter. This is the only

1828
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 3: reason I go on Twitter nowadays to look at things

1829
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 3: like this. And yes, it's a blue vape in the

1830
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 3: old Coaches books or whatever it is. I can see

1831
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 3: the video of there. It's just yeah, it was stressed

1832
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 3: out about the Italy game, had a little dragon his

1833
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 3: USB stick and I got a lot of you thank

1834
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 3: you Kevin from Massamatta Gilly. Also Jeremy also definitely spotted

1835
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 3: him vaping. Thank you for that. Now we know a

1836
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 3: secret about him. Ay, that's not good. That's not good,

1837
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 3: is it? I mean, these guys are role models. Now

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01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 3: I'm just taking the purse. I don't really care can

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01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 3: vape if he wants to, Kay, Oliver, I just because

1840
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 3: you know these double standards, isn't it?

1841
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 7: Like?

1842
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 3: Can I just point that out to you? Like Ethan

1843
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 3: does a thing. Ethan did a thing we don't even

1844
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 3: know about, and he has to miss a game, right

1845
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 3: three games in the end, Damien did a thing. Fell

1846
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 3: asleep on a beach after a hard night at the

1847
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 3: taxi back like Uber bah blah blah blah. He missed

1848
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 3: the game. It didn't affect us. But vapor there, vapor razor,

1849
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 3: razor clear as mud in the middle of the TV suck.

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01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 3: That's really bad for the kids. He doesn't miss a game.

1851
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you're going to

1852
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 3: have these tough standards applied across the board. Stop sucking

1853
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 3: on your electronic cigarette. K Oliver out of the UK

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01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 3: with us shortly twenty two away from seven Here the

1855
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 3: duspite Wellington City Council and its mayor constantly insisting that

1856
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 3: they're putting the highest ever amount of money into fixing

1857
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 3: water pipes. It turns out they're not paying that much,

1858
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 3: are they. They're only paying enough to fix about one

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01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 3: k of pipes a year, and that's despite the fact

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01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 3: that they've got two hundred and thirty seven k's of

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01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 3: pipes in a very poor condition and one hundreds more

1862
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 3: k's of pipes that need fixing less urgently now. Ben

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01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,759
Speaker 3: McNulty is a Wellington City councilor high Ben.

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Speaker 26: Hi Heather, thanks for having me, Yeah, thanks for joining us.

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01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 3: Listen, why are you guys putting in so little money?

1866
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 19: So?

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01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 26: Wellington Water are our trusted advisor in terms of where

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01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 26: the money goes. So I just want to stipulate that

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01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 26: we don't choose on are we going to replace the

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01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 26: x kilometers pipes fixed x amounts at lext We put

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01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 26: the money in and then they decide from that paul

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01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 26: where that money should go. So in the first instance,

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01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 26: the decision to do less than a kilometer sits very

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01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 26: much operationally in their hand. At the same time, yes,

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01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 26: there is a point that we're not putting enough funding

1876
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 26: in the earlier years of our long term plan. It

1877
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 26: ramps up, it gets considerable, especially for the other years.

1878
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 26: But right now the big culprit that's actually gobbling up

1879
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 26: all that spare cash is the town Hall. That project

1880
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 26: is gobbling up hundreds of millions of dollars of our

1881
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 26: borrowing capacity over the next three years, and that's borrowing

1882
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 26: capacity that should be going to pipes, and it's going

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01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 26: to an old building.

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01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 3: Instead, didn't Wellington didn't Wellington Water tell you, guys, you

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01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 3: need to fund them sufficiently to replace forty k's of

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01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 3: pipes every year.

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01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 26: They've told us that, and why don't you borrowed? We've

1888
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 26: borrowed to the maximum that we can. But councilors don't

1889
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,799
Speaker 26: make decisions in the vacuum here, and they've made decisions

1890
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 26: on other spending priorities sort of gobbled up the debt

1891
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 26: headroom and ability to put money into there. And again,

1892
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 26: the town hall is just such the prime culprit that's

1893
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 26: sitting in those first few years of the LTP that

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01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 26: even though that town hall is not there, we wontn't

1895
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 26: actually have the sufficient capital to address it. And it

1896
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 26: goes to the point of why is government doing water reform?

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01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 26: Why was the past government doing water reform? Because the

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01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 26: way that council funds its water is fundamentally broken.

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01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 3: How much money are you putting into replacing the pipes

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01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 3: this year?

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01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,959
Speaker 26: I believe it's about eighty million dollars of capital investment.

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01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 26: But that is again, we give Wellington Water about eighty

1903
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 26: million dollars of capital and then they make the decisions

1904
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 26: of where they're going to diverge that funding through there,

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01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 26: so it's going to fundamentally go and repairs.

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01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 3: I know, I know the town hall is hugely expensive,

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01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 3: and that is a fair point to make, But why

1908
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 3: don't you guys cancel your absolute weird obsession with ripping

1909
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 3: up roads and replacing them with cycle ways and all

1910
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 3: and the Golden Mile and stuff, and put that money

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Speaker 3: into the pipes instead.

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01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:43,560
Speaker 26: Well, those are the discussions that are happening in the

1913
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 26: LTP Amendment right the officers has stipulated that the Golden

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01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 26: Mile should be looked at in terms of the cost saving,

1915
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 26: but nonetheless at the financial situation.

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01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 3: Right now, saying you, I just don't understand you, guys,

1917
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 3: like you're sitting there if it was if it was

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01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 3: your house right and your pipes, we're crappy and busting

1919
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 3: the whole time. You would deal with your pipes before

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01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 3: you dealt with like putting yourself a nice, flash new driveway.

1921
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 3: So why did you guys not, in the first instance

1922
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 3: make that decision that's so bizarre to me.

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01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 26: Well, in the first instance, the decisions about cuts now

1924
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 26: around having financial resilience. So what we've been told by KPMG,

1925
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 26: by the auditors of the world is actually we need

1926
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 26: to have a billion dollars of headrooms should an earthquake

1927
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 26: hit and all the spending cuts that we're planning through

1928
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 26: our LTPMNT.

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Speaker 3: But you're not talking about the that's not the same

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01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 3: thing as me. What I'm saying to you is it's

1931
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 3: an opportunity cost here. Why didn't you when you first

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01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 3: sat down and say we're not going to do the

1933
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 3: Golden Mile because we're going to use that money for pipes, Well.

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Speaker 26: That money wouldn't have gone into the Golden Miles. What

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Speaker 26: I'm saying, so, our pressing issue of the advice that's

1936
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Speaker 26: sitting in front of us is between water and having

1937
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Speaker 26: enough money for our resilience. Actually resilience is where the

1938
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Speaker 26: money has to go through. That's the professional opinion.

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Speaker 3: Makes it even. It works like that means you had

1940
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Speaker 3: two things that should have taken priority over the Golden Mile,

1941
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Speaker 3: and you picked the Golden Mile.

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Speaker 26: Anyway, again, though, let's take the Golden Mile just from

1943
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Speaker 26: the City Council's perspective, that is fifty percent government fund.

1944
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Speaker 26: So you have to look at and there's thirty million

1945
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Speaker 26: dollars of pipe replacements within that project that are half

1946
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Speaker 26: being government funded. So just want to make the point

1947
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Speaker 26: there that actually the Golden Mile has quite a substantive

1948
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Speaker 26: water infrastructure component and Wellington ratepayers are getting half of

1949
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Speaker 26: that component from the government.

1950
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Speaker 5: If that deal.

1951
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, I know the argument. I don't buy. Hey, listen,

1952
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Speaker 3: tell me something. You guys have got this big council

1953
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Speaker 3: meeting tomorrow where you need to decide what you're going

1954
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Speaker 3: to cut to be able to afford everything. Any idea,

1955
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Speaker 3: what's going is the Golden Mile going?

1956
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Speaker 26: I think everything's going to be a matter of discussion

1957
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Speaker 26: up until the votes. At the moment, there are texts, messages, emails,

1958
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Speaker 26: meetings flying left, right and center. People trying to put

1959
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Speaker 26: things in, people trying to take things out, and honestly, heiver,

1960
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Speaker 26: I just don't know quite.

1961
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Speaker 11: Where the numbers are lobbying at the moment is there.

1962
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Speaker 26: It's going to be a lot of phone calls and

1963
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Speaker 26: things into the evening. I'm sitting in this weird camp

1964
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Speaker 26: where you know, there's cuts coming from our officials, these

1965
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Speaker 26: cuts coming from the mayor's office, and there's cuts coming

1966
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Speaker 26: from the right wing counselors, and I'm sort of just

1967
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 26: rifting in between. I will vote for things that I

1968
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 26: think are always of our poor usage of our city's money.

1969
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Speaker 26: And I'll put in the things that I think are

1970
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Speaker 26: wise to keep putting through. That's about all I can do.

1971
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Speaker 26: But yeah, we have lots of camps saying cut, lots.

1972
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Speaker 3: Of different have you had have you had any good

1973
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Speaker 3: advice from the observer?

1974
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Speaker 5: Yet?

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Speaker 26: I think the observer is actually, yeah, Look he's sitting

1976
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Speaker 26: back right now and he's saying, it's not my turn

1977
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Speaker 26: to tell you how to do these things. I want

1978
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Speaker 26: to spend the first month or two really understanding how

1979
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Speaker 26: your council works, what the dynamics are, and then you know,

1980
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Speaker 26: as you get further into the LTP process, I will

1981
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Speaker 26: involve myself a bit more. But I think that's why

1982
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Speaker 26: for him to actually he's been put in because there

1983
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Speaker 26: is an issue, there's a problem. I totally accept for

1984
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Speaker 26: Merationalepha Samian sometervention. So you don't just come in and

1985
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Speaker 26: start calling the shots. You come and you see how

1986
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Speaker 26: things are working, what's causing the problems, and then you

1987
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Speaker 26: actually go through. So no specific advice from your deserver.

1988
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Speaker 26: But I think the approach he's taking is prudent so

1989
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Speaker 26: that you don't just call the shots before you don't

1990
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Speaker 26: know what's that shot of problem?

1991
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, thank you for talking to us through I

1992
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Speaker 3: really appreciate it. Ben McNaughty, who is the willing to

1993
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Speaker 3: and city councilor by the way, we've been trying to

1994
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Speaker 3: get ahold of ins are. This is the rugby people

1995
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Speaker 3: New Zealand Rugby all day to see if they would

1996
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Speaker 3: talk to us about what's going on. Why did they

1997
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Speaker 3: edit the video? Why'd they take TJ's political stuff out

1998
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Speaker 3: if they didn't like it? Why did they say yes

1999
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Speaker 3: to it in the first place? But they said they

2000
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Speaker 3: they didn't want to. I don't even know what their

2001
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Speaker 3: excuses are. I actually don't really care. They weren't going

2002
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 3: to come and talk about it today. I think maybe

2003
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 3: it was because TJ and Scott Barrett and RASA had all,

2004
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 3: you know, had some chats after the game, so they

2005
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:31,560
Speaker 3: felt like it was covered off. I don't think so.

2006
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Speaker 3: It's been going on for days now anyway. So they

2007
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 3: say no formal response, but they wanted to point us

2008
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Speaker 3: to their position on the Treaty of White Tongy, which

2009
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,759
Speaker 3: of course they refer to as TETTI or White Tongey,

2010
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 3: clearly spelled out in page fifteen of our constitution. New

2011
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 3: Zealand Rugby acknowledges Titi or white Tongey as the founding

2012
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 3: document of Altier or in New Zealand, Mari is tongue

2013
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 3: at the fenawa of our land, in the special place

2014
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 3: that the New Zealand Maori Rugby Board has as the

2015
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 3: representative entity of Maori amongst the stakeholders of rugby in

2016
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Speaker 3: New Zealand. So that's all they've got to say about

2017
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Speaker 3: what TJ said, which I think is supposed to tell

2018
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Speaker 3: you that they are okay with what TJ said, but

2019
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Speaker 3: not okay enough to leave it in the social media VIDEOA. Anyway,

2020
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Speaker 3: here you go. It's the best you're going to get.

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Speaker 3: Quarter two.

2022
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Speaker 2: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

2023
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 2: with Heather Duper Clans and my HR, the HR solution

2024
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 2: for busy SMEs on News TALKSB.

2025
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 3: By the way, Peter's made a really good point on

2026
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Speaker 3: that climate funding that we were talking to Nikola Willis

2027
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Speaker 3: about saying hither, I think you find that if New

2028
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Speaker 3: Zealand doesn't put money into the islands, even under the

2029
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Speaker 3: climate change banner, then China will fill that gap and

2030
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Speaker 3: that will at least be part of what's going on

2031
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 3: here is that the West is trying to maintain to

2032
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 3: some extent right they're they're relevance by continuing to fund

2033
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Speaker 3: these developing countries so they still like us and they

2034
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 3: don't go off and make friends with the Chinese too much.

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Speaker 3: Might be a bit late, but anyway, you know, we'll

2036
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Speaker 3: see if it works. Twelve away from seven k Oliver

2037
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Speaker 3: our UK correspondents with US.

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Speaker 19: Now, heyk hello, Heaber.

2039
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Speaker 3: So how bad has Storm Burt been?

2040
01:32:58,400 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 5: Then?

2041
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Speaker 19: Well, it's been an absolute catastrophic event for Wales particularly,

2042
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Speaker 19: and the Welsh First Minister Ellan ned Morgan has said

2043
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:11,560
Speaker 19: the floods have been absolutely devastating. There one hundred millimeters

2044
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Speaker 19: of rain in places, falling so quickly eighty percent of

2045
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 19: November's annual rainfall in forty eight hours. We've had four

2046
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 19: hundred flood warnings across the whole of the UK. Hundreds

2047
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 19: of properties had been at risk of flooding. Three hundred

2048
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 19: properties in Wales have flooded. The other problem there is

2049
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Speaker 19: that Storm Dennis went into that area in twenty twenty.

2050
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Speaker 19: There's been a lot of work going on to repair bridges, rows, etc.

2051
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Speaker 19: For the last four years and it seems that all

2052
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 19: those repairs have also been washed away. We've had four

2053
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 19: people killed, one being a dog walker, a seventy five

2054
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Speaker 19: year old man out with walking the dog. Another man

2055
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 19: in his eighties was killed in Wales when he literally

2056
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 19: drove into a big body of water and obviously he

2057
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 19: has drowned. And these are some of the horror story

2058
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 19: that have been going on here. It was described as

2059
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:08,799
Speaker 19: a catastrophic weather event. Three forces came together, gale force winds,

2060
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 19: snow and rain, and it seems that once again it's

2061
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,799
Speaker 19: taken people by surprise and we have had extreme flooding

2062
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 19: going on here.

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01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 3: Hey, listen this petition I was just talking about this

2064
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 3: earlier on calling for a general election. Is this the

2065
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 3: fastest growing petition thus far?

2066
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 19: Well, I've been watching this one. It seems that people

2067
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 19: have one hundred thousand signatures in one hour in one instance.

2068
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 19: It has been put together by a business owner, Michael Westwood,

2069
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 19: and he's basically saying there should be another general election

2070
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 19: in this country because of the what he is calling

2071
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 19: basically the failure to deliver on promises that were made

2072
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 19: that didn't turn out to be anything alike what was

2073
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 19: going to come in reality so he wants another general election.

2074
01:34:56,080 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 19: We've got a million signatures so far. It does seen

2075
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 19: that this is even more kind of mud slinging at labor.

2076
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 19: We've obviously got discontent here about the winter fuel allowance.

2077
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 19: You've got the farmers over the inheritance tax. There are

2078
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:15,560
Speaker 19: so many things that haven't gone well for labor, and

2079
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 19: this gentleman has basically said, let's start again. Let's see

2080
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,600
Speaker 19: if we can get another general election. I doubt it

2081
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,719
Speaker 19: very much, but the former Tory leadership contender, Robert Jenrick

2082
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:28,560
Speaker 19: has also said that no one is ever going to

2083
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 19: trust labor again. And there are an awful lot of

2084
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 19: people here are saying what next? What else are they

2085
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 19: going to.

2086
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 2: Come up with?

2087
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 21: Yeah?

2088
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 3: Fair enough, Okay, Now what is going on with this

2089
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 3: sister dying vote? Ree ky Istama? Has he said which

2090
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 3: way he's going.

2091
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: To vote or no?

2092
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 19: No, Apparently he has not disclosed the way he is

2093
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 19: going to vote because he doesn't want to. Should we

2094
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 19: say convinced persuade other MPs in what is going to

2095
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 19: be a free vote on Friday? Now, people are basically

2096
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 19: they've been polled in this country. Two thirds of the

2097
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 19: general public are in favor of assisted dying of this bill,

2098
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:11,759
Speaker 19: which would allow a terminally ill person with six months

2099
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 19: or less to live to apply to two doctors and

2100
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 19: a High Court judge for permission to take their own life.

2101
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 19: But we've had people like the Justice Secretary which I

2102
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 19: mean but Mamood come out and say that this is

2103
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 19: a slippery slope and that the state doesn't provide people

2104
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Speaker 19: with death. So there's a lot of controversy about this.

2105
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 19: Terminally ill people obviously are saying they want this bill

2106
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 19: to go ahead. One of the conversations was with a

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Speaker 19: TV presenter here Esther Ranson, who is terminally ill with

2108
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Speaker 19: lung cancer, who had a lot of discussions with Keir

2109
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Speaker 19: Starmer and it would seem at one point that he

2110
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Speaker 19: was going to vote in favor of this. So we

2111
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Speaker 19: wait to see on Friday how this one is going

2112
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 19: to play out.

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Speaker 3: Heather interesting steph Kay, thanks very much, appreciate it, as

2114
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Speaker 3: Kay Oliver, our UK correspondents. So there is a pub

2115
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 3: in the UK which there is a request that the

2116
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 3: pub changed its name, and it's a reasonably well known

2117
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Speaker 3: pubb it's a historic pub. It's had a bunch of

2118
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 3: famous people like Charlie Chaplin and Laurel and Hardy in

2119
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 3: there and stuff like that. It's been going since eighteen

2120
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Speaker 3: ninety one, presumably under the same name, but they've asked

2121
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 3: changed its name because its name is the sly Old Fox,

2122
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 3: and according to Peter, your favorite animal rights activists, that's

2123
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 3: not fair on foxes, and they think it's derogatory, inaccurate,

2124
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Speaker 3: and as I say, unfair. They think that the pub

2125
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 3: needs to replace the word sly with clever, so it

2126
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Speaker 3: becomes clever old Fox. And the reason that they're saying

2127
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Speaker 3: this is because if you continue to refer to fox

2128
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Speaker 3: as as sly, it kind of continues to perpetuate the

2129
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Speaker 3: idea that foxes are pests and then people kill them.

2130
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 3: And yeah, so I don't know if that's going to

2131
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Speaker 3: work changing the name. I feel like maybe if fox

2132
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Speaker 3: has stopped at pesting people in urban centers, then maybe

2133
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Speaker 3: people aren't going to kill them. But I don't think

2134
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Speaker 3: the word is the problem. I think it's the foxes behavior.

2135
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 3: But anyway, all good luck. Oh and what was the

2136
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Speaker 3: other thing. There was something quite funny that they said, Oh, yes,

2137
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Speaker 3: they want to reflect society's ever evolving empathy for animals.

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Speaker 3: Oh please, seven away from seven.

2139
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Speaker 1: Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What

2140
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 1: will be the impact?

2141
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 2: It's the Business Hour with Heather Duplas Allen and my HR,

2142
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 2: the HR solution for busy SMEs news talks.

2143
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Speaker 5: He'd be.

2144
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Speaker 3: Heather TJ is the new Justinder. He kisses everyone off

2145
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 3: and then he leaves the country fair enough, doesn't have

2146
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 3: to wear it. I don't know why, but okay, so

2147
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Speaker 3: I've got a lot of texts from the elizabeths in

2148
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Speaker 3: my life for what I said a couple of hours ago.

2149
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Speaker 3: I'm standing by it. I am standing by it. It's

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Speaker 3: just it's just Look, it was a name that was given. Look,

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Speaker 3: it was the previous queen had the name. And when

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Speaker 3: did she ascend the throne? In like nineteen fifty two,

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Speaker 3: so when she was twenty something years old. So when

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Speaker 3: was she born. She's born in the twenties or late

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Speaker 3: thirty early thirties, So that's a that's a good old

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Speaker 3: fashioned name. So we're just gonna steer away from that.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know why Eileen thought it's a good

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Speaker 3: idea to send me bogan names as if, oh you

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Speaker 3: don't like Elizabeth, here's a bunch asta Bailey, Bella Blue Britney, Schenra, Charlotte,

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Speaker 3: she says, are all but Bogan names. That's going to

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Speaker 3: get some people upset. She says Sharon used to be

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Speaker 3: a Bogan name in her day, probably still is. She

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Speaker 3: also liked Xanthi, Corfai and Pearl. Thank you for that, Eileen,

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Speaker 3: appreciate And I think, I look, maybe I was surprised

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Speaker 3: with one of them. Probably unlikely. What do you think?

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Speaker 22: And oh, well, I just I would like to point

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Speaker 22: out that the same family, the Windsors, who gave you know,

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Speaker 22: the queen the name Elizabeth, they seem to be fans

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Speaker 22: of Charlotte as well, so you know, maybe they're Bogans.

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Speaker 22: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: This is not Charlotte spelt with a c H. This

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Speaker 3: is Charlotte s H A R L E T t

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Speaker 3: oh Charlotte not Yeah.

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Speaker 22: Fair enough. Love is a Game by Adela Players out tonight.

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Speaker 22: Her very last show was on Sunday night local time

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Speaker 22: over there. This is the song she finished her very

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Speaker 22: last set with, and she said she's a little bit

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Speaker 22: worried now because she's not really sure what she's going

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Speaker 22: to do for a job now, because this has been

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Speaker 22: a job for the last two years and she doesn't

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Speaker 22: have anything else lined up. But I'm sure she'll find

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Speaker 22: some way to make money.

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Speaker 3: She's amazing, she'll find I love how normal she is.

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Speaker 3: She will find things. Don't worry, enjoy it. See you

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Speaker 3: tomorrow

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