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Speaker 1: On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody
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Speaker 2: Hello, we're on the front foot once again, although I
Speaker 2: feel that they were on the back foot the way
Speaker 2: that this match when ed he with a chance still
Speaker 2: alive to make the World TIS Championship Final.
Speaker 3: The black Caps have.
Speaker 2: Dropped the ball literally in a test they could have won.
Speaker 2: You can't drop the next Bradman as Brook has been
Speaker 2: to him, drop him five times and expect to win
Speaker 2: and not expect him to score big. Jeremy Canney. I
Speaker 2: was watching cricket at one of your favorite grounds this morning,
Speaker 2: Sabina Park, Jamaica, and the wist Lindy's had serious case
Speaker 2: of dropsy as well against Bangladesh.
Speaker 4: Really I didn't know that what was this, what was
Speaker 4: the what was the game? There was?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I got a Test match at Sabia Park in Jamaica.
Speaker 2: They haven't played a Test match there for three years.
Speaker 2: But the Test match started late because the ground was wet.
Speaker 2: You remember that, I remember, yeah, yeah, And so they
Speaker 2: had sitting number of overs. But Kimar Oach got a
Speaker 2: couple of wickets. He's been playing Test cricket for fifteen years,
Speaker 2: did you Rose really?
Speaker 4: No? I didn't know. That's quite a long time.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: For bowl that's incredible, yeah, but never mind, back to
Speaker 2: the Test match. That's a real disappointment. We could have
Speaker 2: won that game.
Speaker 4: Well, we had chances, didn't we a lot of them.
Speaker 5: We got stuck in for a start on a matted,
Speaker 5: kind of grassy pitch the first day, quite thick, you know,
Speaker 5: and sort of tennis ball bounce because it took all
Speaker 5: the friction out as soon as it landed on it,
Speaker 5: and so you had to wait for that ball. And
Speaker 5: that's why Conway got out so quickly, pushing out the
Speaker 5: ball going past the vertical with his bat one hand
Speaker 5: of course on it, you know who he is, and
Speaker 5: it went too far and just provided the bowler with
Speaker 5: the cork bold quite reasonable catch and his follow through.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so it was a tennis ball bounce, but
Speaker 5: we did get to three for two hundred about by
Speaker 5: say the end of the second the second session, and
Speaker 5: because we'd only lost three wickets, we did have a chance.
Speaker 5: There was our chance done day one to really forge
Speaker 5: ahead of it and maybe get to three hundred and
Speaker 5: ten or so and not lose two many more wickets,
Speaker 5: but we did. Of course, we lost five wickets in
Speaker 5: that last session, with Mitchell getting court by the backstop
Speaker 5: and Williamson cutting to backward point and Blundle, you know,
Speaker 5: getting caught at backward point and Smith just turning it
Speaker 5: to backpad and all those kinds of things that happened,
Speaker 5: and we lost off ive.
Speaker 4: For one hundred and twenty. Yeah, so they weren't. It
Speaker 4: was a shame that we didn't.
Speaker 5: We lost that first opportunity, and then you said to yourself,
Speaker 5: oh no, hang on. We got a few more the
Speaker 5: next day and the next morning three forty eight, and
Speaker 5: then we had them four for seventy.
Speaker 4: And we thought, right, we'll we'll keep taking a few wickets.
Speaker 5: No we won't, because that's exactly when the catching crisis
Speaker 5: fell into full swing. And of course you know what
Speaker 5: happened then, and Brooke just kept on going and had
Speaker 5: various but Pope kept on going and then Oakes kept
Speaker 5: on going and.
Speaker 3: Brooke, Yeah, well that was the story of the game.
Speaker 2: And just before we carry on with Gus Galloway who's
Speaker 2: joining us as well, the view from the oval, Tom
Speaker 2: Latham's reaction the jual and Captain.
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I think post first innings for being put
Speaker 6: in on that sort of surface to I think first read,
Speaker 6: to be in the position we were, you know, we
Speaker 6: probably would have liked a few more runs if we're
Speaker 6: able to extend some of those partnerships to I guess,
Speaker 6: those significant partnerships that do make a difference in a game,
Speaker 6: then you know, things might have looked slightly differently. But
Speaker 6: to have them sort of seventy eighty for four with
Speaker 6: our tails up, take some catches and you know, certainly
Speaker 6: myself included, you know, things might look slightly differently. So
Speaker 6: even though the result of the game, you know, does
Speaker 6: look quite big, there are small margins in the game
Speaker 6: of cricket, and unfortunately things aren't quite full the right
Speaker 6: the right way, and you know, by no means of
Speaker 6: not trying, and you know, boys are putting the effort
Speaker 6: in some days, you know, that's just crickets, the game
Speaker 6: we play. Unfortunately, things like that happen. I don't think
Speaker 6: it's something that requires work. You know, we certainly put
Speaker 6: the work in, you know, behind the scenes, training days
Speaker 6: and all that sort of thing, and you know, it
Speaker 6: certainly hasn't been a thing that's a continuous thing that's
Speaker 6: been happening. It's just one of those games where sometimes
Speaker 6: when one goes down, sometimes they all keep keep falling. So,
Speaker 6: as I said, I'm certainly myself to blame as well
Speaker 6: in that situation. But as I said, we'd like to
Speaker 6: stay nice and level and try not to overemphasize things.
Speaker 6: You know, we know we need to be better and
Speaker 6: we'll certainly hopefully do that and want Yeah, I think
Speaker 6: we're always constantly looking to adapt, and we certainly know
Speaker 6: the way that the English are gonna are going to play.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: The pleasant thing from our point of view, we're able
Speaker 6: to create opportunities, which is which is what you need
Speaker 6: to do against this English side, and we know they're
Speaker 6: going to keep coming hard from from one to eleven
Speaker 6: and we've seen that over a period of time. But
Speaker 6: as I said, yeah, isolated to that innings where where
Speaker 6: we created enough opportunities to bowl them out and you
Speaker 6: take catches and things might look slightly differently, you know,
Speaker 6: from the first and second inning. So yeah, obviously we
Speaker 6: were at our best this game, and we certainly acknowledge that,
Speaker 6: and I hopefully we can be better heading into Ellington
Speaker 6: and Gath.
Speaker 2: I take some of the points made thereby Tom Nathan,
Speaker 2: but I'm sorry his comment that it's not an area
Speaker 2: we have to work on and it hasn't been troubling
Speaker 2: us very often.
Speaker 3: To my mind, I disagree.
Speaker 2: It is an area that needs work when you drop
Speaker 2: eight catches and I don't think they.
Speaker 3: Do the work enough work to be confident in the field.
Speaker 3: How did it look to you?
Speaker 4: Well, you've watched a lot of cricket, Brian. You've seen
Speaker 4: this team, the squad, you know, a group of players
Speaker 4: over many years warming up and you get a field
Speaker 4: for it, don't you. I mean a interesting watching England.
Speaker 4: I think they spent forty five minutes playing the keep
Speaker 4: the soccer ball up in the year today. But you
Speaker 4: do see the end doing some fielding routines. But I
Speaker 4: find it it's really interesting because you used to see
Speaker 4: a lot of bilding routines as part of the build
Speaker 4: ups and the start of the play. You know, you
Speaker 4: would see them playing those exercises where someone would roll
Speaker 4: the ball out, they would run from say a cover area,
Speaker 4: pick it up, throw it. The stunts run around and
Speaker 4: they would have those cycles. You'd see lots of slip
Speaker 4: catching being practiced, and you would see outfield catching being practiced.
Speaker 4: You go around the ground, wouldn't you watch? That was
Speaker 4: the usual way.
Speaker 5: You'd go out as a team, and you'd go and
Speaker 5: those sort of five or six would the outfielders would
Speaker 5: go around the ground high ones, flat ones ones coming
Speaker 5: out of where the crowd is. The crowd at that
Speaker 5: state a stage, you're arriving, aren't they. So you actually
Speaker 5: get an idea of what the background for a flat
Speaker 5: catcher is like, and you get your high catches and
Speaker 5: you see what it's like. You can triangulate on that
Speaker 5: and take your high catches. Same in the slips. You
Speaker 5: work with the left handers right handers. And that's exactly
Speaker 5: how we used to warm up usually as a team.
Speaker 5: I didn't see the New Zealanders out there, to be
Speaker 5: really honest, the entire match. They did not arrive out
Speaker 5: other than to do little exercises with the guy Chris Donaldson.
Speaker 5: But that was about it. We didn't see them. They
Speaker 5: batted on the background. I don't even know whether they
Speaker 5: had catching practice.
Speaker 4: No, I well, I didn't see any. What you know
Speaker 4: is they go over to the nets at the back
Speaker 4: by the you know, the Richard had the academy, and
Speaker 4: they all have a net that the guys who are
Speaker 4: going to be batting bat and that's what you'd expect
Speaker 4: them to do, and they go over there during the
Speaker 4: day when the team's batting as well. Equally, you know,
Speaker 4: you see the bowlers warming up with the with the peepers,
Speaker 4: people with the you know, the baseball mits and so on.
Speaker 4: But you don't see the fielding that we used to see.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm not I wouldn't worry too much.
Speaker 4: From England's point of view. On one occasion, we didn't
Speaker 4: see Brendan McCallum on his knees and heading slips, catching
Speaker 4: and doing it to right and left hand angles. And
Speaker 4: I thought England's catching was very good in this match,
Speaker 4: you know, you see, well it was better than than
Speaker 4: you Zealand, wasn't it.
Speaker 5: And to say that that didn't cost us the match
Speaker 5: that's the most elementary you know analysis, you would make
Speaker 5: that our eight catchers.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Basically Harry Brooke got one hundred and seventy one for six.
Speaker 5: That's what he got, you know, and that's what was Yeah,
Speaker 5: you cannot you cannot drop players of that ilk and
Speaker 5: that quality.
Speaker 4: Well Brook was dropped on, Yeah, was dropped on eleven.
Speaker 3: He didn have been one hundred for five.
Speaker 4: Yeah. He put on a good partnership with Pope and
Speaker 4: Stokes came in and they moved it around Brook. You
Speaker 4: know if Oakes was dropped, yeah, if he covers, if
Speaker 4: he'd been out for eleven, I think it would have
Speaker 4: been a very different men. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But what it does for me, sadly is we
Speaker 2: are developing some fast bowling talent. Oh rowk to me
Speaker 2: is an outstanding talent. Smith came in and I thought
Speaker 2: had a creditable game. Yeah, he got a bit expensive
Speaker 2: in the big thrash towards the end, but they were
Speaker 2: let down in the field. Smith had a five for
Speaker 2: or even six four rob from him by Paul Catching,
Speaker 2: didn't he.
Speaker 4: That's correct, It was absolutely correct.
Speaker 5: Both were the highlights of the bowlers. To me, we
Speaker 5: know what Henry's like, he's a very consistent bowler. But
Speaker 5: to bring those other two in, I've just John. I
Speaker 5: just got some of the notes here that I made
Speaker 5: during the match, wads, and that's that's a certainly there.
Speaker 4: Smith and o'rourk o rought.
Speaker 5: For his pace and consistent paceover about fifteen or sixteen overs,
Speaker 5: I think he bowled and was up there around about
Speaker 5: one hundred and forty six k's and so that's outstand
Speaker 5: that's into ninety miles an hour. And Smith was he
Speaker 5: was a bit excited at the start and got some
Speaker 5: few little balls, but he looks to be to me,
Speaker 5: when he's pitching the ball up a bit more, he
Speaker 5: can he can sit you on your backside as well.
Speaker 5: I thought he looked jolly useful, as you know, as
Speaker 5: a fourth seamer. So I was pleased to see both
Speaker 5: those additions and our attack. When Jamison gets a bit
Speaker 5: better and when Sears gets better, you won't have Saldi there.
Speaker 5: I'm afraid he will not be in that top four
Speaker 5: or five bowlers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair point.
Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the issues they're gonna have to
Speaker 2: deal with. And Smith looked as though he fitted into
Speaker 2: the role of an all rounder. He's not yet an
Speaker 2: all rounder, but his batting effort on the final day
Speaker 2: with Mitchell was excellent.
Speaker 3: What do we do at number six?
Speaker 2: Is Tom Blundell the number six batsman or should Phillips
Speaker 2: go there Blundell concentrate on his keeping Garth or do
Speaker 2: we need another working keeper?
Speaker 4: Well, I think we're getting to the point actually where
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, our views will be different to
Speaker 4: the New Zealand camps. I think looking at talking to
Speaker 4: n Smith about Blundle, he clearly thinks there has been
Speaker 4: a deterioration in his keeping. You know you can. I
Speaker 4: think you've got to put him at seven now. Phillips
Speaker 4: has to be more involved in the game. He's a
Speaker 4: player who thrives on pressure. He thrives on being involved.
Speaker 4: Get him up at number six. You've got to get
Speaker 4: him for me, That's that's essential. Blundle, I think I
Speaker 4: didn't think he kept particularly well on the Subcontinent. Keepers
Speaker 4: would say it's a very hard place to keep, and
Speaker 4: I think that's a fair comment. However, you know I
Speaker 4: don't Yeah, I just don't see that Blundle is you know,
Speaker 4: he dropped a few. I'm not talking about catchers, but
Speaker 4: he dropped a few balls. I didn't think his footwork
Speaker 4: was as good as it normally is. And most of all,
Speaker 4: you know, you have to have keepers. If you're betting
Speaker 4: in that number seven position, you've got to be scoring runs.
Speaker 4: And it seems like a long time since the twenty
Speaker 4: twenty two summer in England where Mitchell and Blundell were
Speaker 4: so magnificent for New Zealand, and really since that time,
Speaker 4: and indeed in the last calendar year it's well. In fact,
Speaker 4: if we look at this year, he had one hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty eight against England at Mountain Long and Nui,
Speaker 4: you know, a very good innings. Since then, his highest
Speaker 4: score has been thirty eight. He's out of form. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't think that.
Speaker 5: I mean, as far as Tom Blundell, he's he's been
Speaker 5: a good player and he will return. It's just a
Speaker 5: question at the moment. I think he's lost a lot
Speaker 5: of confidences. What they do with him, I guess they'll
Speaker 5: play him. I think as far as your immediate question
Speaker 5: was in the next test. But I also would add
Speaker 5: to what Garta said about his keeping is that he's
Speaker 5: standing quite deep and that he's taking the ball quite often.
Speaker 5: The knee below the knees and that pushes the slip
Speaker 5: cordon back a little. They need to be able to
Speaker 5: keep the slip Courton cordon almost in front of where
Speaker 5: Blundell is keeping.
Speaker 4: Otherwise the are not carrying.
Speaker 5: And if you remember the first catch that went to Latham,
Speaker 5: and I think it was from Duckett when he was
Speaker 5: still batting, and it was quite low. It certainly carried
Speaker 5: to him, but it was he was wanting to come
Speaker 5: forward to the catch and hit the heel of the hand. Now,
Speaker 5: if he was up another half pace, that would have
Speaker 5: been a comfortable catch for him. So he's forcing everybody
Speaker 5: back just a bit too deep.
Speaker 2: Is that the change in our pitch conditions, because I
Speaker 2: think if we look back to the Indian series of
Speaker 2: the bounce was low there, but our pitches here in
Speaker 2: New Zealand are starting to give more bounce the basiers
Speaker 2: of even the pitch at Hagley had a bounce that
Speaker 2: was consistent right the way through. There was good carry
Speaker 2: and there has been a change in what we have
Speaker 2: on the park for our players.
Speaker 4: I think the pitch at Hagley, I think that you
Speaker 4: blow the first day and a bit, wasn't it was,
Speaker 4: And that's the point I wanted to make once is
Speaker 4: that there, you know, and that when I think they
Speaker 4: talk about it having a slight tennis ball bounce on
Speaker 4: the first day there. We had to chat to Tom
Speaker 4: Latham after the game and he mentioned that, and Kane
Speaker 4: Williamson in his after match interview on day one talked
Speaker 4: about the ball just not quite being there. That's very
Speaker 4: normal at Hackley Park and Tom Latham also said that
Speaker 4: the basin can be a little bit like that as well.
Speaker 4: But yeah on day one, Yeah, good bounce after that though,
Speaker 4: But interesting, I think back to the Basin Reserve twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five years ago and grounds like Carrisbrook as well,
Speaker 4: where you know, I can recall really good bounce on
Speaker 4: those pictures. There was a period where Carrisbrook was hard
Speaker 4: and fast. Absolutely it's skyiney actually, you know, hard to
Speaker 4: believe when you think about Danitan's climate and the ground
Speaker 4: temperatures and those sort of things. We've moved away from that.
Speaker 4: One of the issues that Jerry and I were talking
Speaker 4: about Brian is, you know, when we watched England just
Speaker 4: smacking us the New Zealand side all around the park
Speaker 4: for that one hundred and four runs. You know, this
Speaker 4: pitch was Taylor made for their betting and we were
Speaker 4: chatting about having to make pictures where you're going to
Speaker 4: get a bit of turn or you're going to get
Speaker 4: a bit of scene movement. You've got to get the
Speaker 4: ball to move on was if you can't get it
Speaker 4: to move.
Speaker 5: How prior to pitching, so that you if you either
Speaker 5: swing it or pom pitching, you seem it or you
Speaker 5: spin it. We've got to change the direction of the
Speaker 5: ball against a team like England, otherwise they you see
Speaker 5: the very best kind of example and iteration of how
Speaker 5: they can be. They just because it takes lengths out
Speaker 5: of the game. You know, unless you're very short and
Speaker 5: it's bouncing hell of a lot anything in length, they
Speaker 5: can just hit through the line and they do that
Speaker 5: very very effectively, and so it makes it very hard
Speaker 5: for our bubbles. And we've just got to say to ourselves, look,
Speaker 5: let's produce pictures that are a little bit damp that
Speaker 5: lasts so that we're not penalized if we lose the
Speaker 5: time that it'll last through a paps a couple of
Speaker 5: days where the ball moves around a bit, and let's
Speaker 5: back our top order to be better defensively and stay
Speaker 5: in more than the opposition. And I think against that
Speaker 5: opposition that they have at the moment, we are better,
Speaker 5: but they are better at attacking than we are.
Speaker 4: We've got to take it.
Speaker 1: Away from Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2: Is there a confidence crisis for Conway at the top.
Speaker 2: He's a shadow of the player who was averaging nearly fifty,
Speaker 2: scored a double one hundred at Lords and really looked
Speaker 2: an opener. Yes, he's got the big money and good
Speaker 2: luck to him. I hope he enjoys it and is
Speaker 2: able to make the most of it. But is he
Speaker 2: delivering at Test match level what we can expect and
Speaker 2: what we've expected from him previously.
Speaker 4: The answer is no, Brian, and not the moment.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: He had an innings in India where he bettered very well.
Speaker 4: I think the condition suited for a couple of innings
Speaker 4: where I think the condition suited him a bit better
Speaker 4: over there here. You know, I think it's it's pretty simple. Really.
Speaker 4: His confidence is gone and that's reflected in his footwork going.
Speaker 4: And you know we saw on both occasions, the first
Speaker 4: one driving Atkinson back a really awkward shot with very
Speaker 4: limited foot movement, and then an attempted pull shot in
Speaker 4: the second innings where you know, very awkward when you
Speaker 4: see it going to mid arm and him being caught
Speaker 4: there by woke. So I think you know when you
Speaker 4: see players like Route, for example, Williamson in this Test,
Speaker 4: when they're in the zone mentally, there's no clutter in
Speaker 4: their brains. Their feet just seemed to move nicely from
Speaker 4: the from ball one. Almost With Conway, I just thought
Speaker 4: he's almost trying to hat his way out and hope.
Speaker 4: And for me, I don't think I'll be playing him.
Speaker 4: I'd give him a break. I think he deserves it.
Speaker 4: He looks absolutely shot of confidence and he doesn't look
Speaker 4: like he's enjoying quick bowling. He certainly is suspicious.
Speaker 5: Of facing anything slightly quick where he has to move
Speaker 5: his feet, and his feet are becoming a bit more
Speaker 5: frozen on, you know, around the pop increase.
Speaker 4: When he plays.
Speaker 5: The difference between playing forward or playing back is minimal.
Speaker 5: You can get away with that as long as you
Speaker 5: transfer your weight sometimes, but I just don't think he's
Speaker 5: getting close enough to the ball, and so.
Speaker 4: That's why you're seeing that.
Speaker 5: Bottom hand come off the bat so often, and so
Speaker 5: the top hand just keeps on going, keeps on going,
Speaker 5: and keeps on going, gets way out in front of
Speaker 5: himself and that's when it goes past the vertical and
Speaker 5: you end up not controlling the shot.
Speaker 4: You also, the bottom hair normally guides it, and so
Speaker 4: if you.
Speaker 5: Haven't got the guiding part, quite often you're you're playing
Speaker 5: not in the line of the ball. That's what you're
Speaker 5: doing with that bottom hand keeping it in the line
Speaker 5: of the ball.
Speaker 4: So you know his.
Speaker 5: Footwork has contracted, it's all been pulled in too small
Speaker 5: and it's become minimal. And so you know when he
Speaker 5: doesn't get inside the line once that pool stroke that
Speaker 5: he got out to in the second innings, that should
Speaker 5: really have gone much squarer and he'd have been fine,
Speaker 5: but he picked out in the on. So I feel
Speaker 5: sorry for Devon Conway. He might have to go back
Speaker 5: and play a few little first class.
Speaker 4: Games and then come back again. That's okay.
Speaker 5: That can happen to players so and then and then
Speaker 5: it's transferred to his catching. He'd put down the comfortable
Speaker 5: catch at midwicket as well, you know, running off off Brook,
Speaker 5: running out quite near the boundary so I'd hoped that
Speaker 5: because of his Indian innings he had got through it.
Speaker 2: Well, can we imagine a change at the base reserve.
Speaker 2: I can't see it, but will Young?
Speaker 3: What do they do with him?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I would play him. I would replace Conway.
Speaker 4: I'd remove Conway and say, look, go and go and
Speaker 4: have a think about you. Go and perhaps go and
Speaker 4: play some first class cricket or you know, and just relax,
Speaker 4: get that joy of the game back again, take the
Speaker 4: pressure off yourself, and I put Young in. I think
Speaker 4: every New Zealand cricket fan thinks that there should be
Speaker 4: a place for Young in this side, and I think
Speaker 4: they're right. I think Young has an excellent temperament. I mean,
Speaker 4: his figures aren't startling. He's averaging thirty in Test cricket,
Speaker 4: as you know, but he's been on the ascendence here
Speaker 4: and I thought his series in India was fantastic. I
Speaker 4: also think for a player like Young it's much harder
Speaker 4: because he's never really in and he comes in as
Speaker 4: a replacement. So his record is actually, I think pretty good,
Speaker 4: and it's trending in the right direction. So I would
Speaker 4: do that. I don't think they will want Yeah.
Speaker 2: The one thing that interested me out of all the
Speaker 2: batting in that Test match too, was England seven to eleven.
Speaker 2: We don't have players at seven to a lever who
Speaker 2: could deliver what Atkinson and Cass did, and they did
Speaker 2: it with quality in the way they played their strokes. Yes,
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of the aggressive and agricultural
Speaker 2: about it at times.
Speaker 3: The boy they looked hard to dismiss Jerry Man.
Speaker 5: Were they good words? I mean Atkinson looked the top
Speaker 5: top batsman, didn't he He came out, Wokes was dismissed
Speaker 5: quite quickly, wasn't hem? And we thought, right here we go.
Speaker 5: We're away here now, you know, we've got a couple
Speaker 5: in a row. And boy did Atkinson finish that idea
Speaker 5: of you know, he got off the back. They dropped
Speaker 5: a couple of short to him to test him out.
Speaker 5: Whack six, They dropped another one down, he whacked four.
Speaker 5: You know, he really was hitting the ball very hard
Speaker 5: and cleanly. Then they tried him on the front foot,
Speaker 5: beautiful cover drive going through, you know, to the boundary
Speaker 5: again he got I think forty eight runs at a
Speaker 5: real good clip of about thirty four balls. And then
Speaker 5: when he was dismissed out came Cass at number of
Speaker 5: ten I think, and he was thirty three not out
Speaker 5: of twenty four balls. They just really put the hammer
Speaker 5: down and added about sixty or seventy runs very quickly
Speaker 5: against our better bowlers when we thought we could finish
Speaker 5: them off.
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right about those two. Steve Harmerson said Wads
Speaker 4: that you'll never see a better number ten batting for
Speaker 4: England than Brandon Cass and on the strength of what
Speaker 4: we saw I had to agree with him. As Jerry said,
Speaker 4: They've got, you know, their proper batsmen. They really good footwork,
Speaker 4: extending back in the crease off the back foot, good
Speaker 4: extension when they come forward, and they can hook.
Speaker 1: And pull on the front foot.
Speaker 3: And here he goes.
Speaker 1: The bouncer.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bowl my traditional bouncer, good said it before.
Speaker 4: I've got a few paces run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's coming off sixteen yards Because there were
Speaker 2: thirty no balls and that was far too many for
Speaker 2: a Test match overrates. Get on my wik what is
Speaker 2: match referee David Boone? Therefore, is he going to coach
Speaker 2: the New Zealand team how to catch in the field
Speaker 2: or is he going to punish some of these sides
Speaker 2: for their overrates. Day one eighty three overs and it
Speaker 2: had included an extra half hour, Day two eighty two
Speaker 2: overs included an extra half hour. Day three seventy eight overs.
Speaker 2: There was a change of it each year and that
Speaker 2: is into an extra half hour, So that means there
Speaker 2: were about seventy on Day one, seventy seventy six, seventy seven,
Speaker 2: Day two seventy eight and seventy three and day three.
Speaker 3: When are they going to do something about it?
Speaker 2: They talk about it a lot, but nothing ever happens
Speaker 2: bang day for six.
Speaker 5: That's certainly yeah, you're absolutely right, Watts. You've made the
Speaker 5: batsman duck of he's dropped his onto the stunts. Mate, well,
Speaker 5: good bouncer. Overrates, to be honest in this match were
Speaker 5: just downright contemptuous of those paying customers who came in
Speaker 5: and sat on the bank and watched all day. And
Speaker 5: I just thought eleven point three per over by England
Speaker 5: New Zealand we'd a hell of a lot better either
Speaker 5: twelve point three. So both teams were guilty and I
Speaker 5: think it's about time. We've often talked about this one,
Speaker 5: haven't we. And I would just add to it as
Speaker 5: far as England are concerned, Why do you spend all
Speaker 5: the time smashing the ball in order to earn more
Speaker 5: time to bowl the other team out, only to bowl
Speaker 5: eleven point three overs an hour. Tell me about that?
Speaker 5: How does that make sense? It doesn't at all, does it.
Speaker 5: That's just saying earn a whole lot more and then
Speaker 5: don't even use it. So this is stupid, and I
Speaker 5: just feel it's about time umpires started to be given
Speaker 5: power and then they can actually what they can what
Speaker 5: we could call make a decision. They don't make any decisions.
Speaker 5: They make no decisions about no balls. It all comes
Speaker 5: from the fourth unbuy and we wait and we wait,
Speaker 5: and suddenly suddenly the last ball of the over is
Speaker 5: a no ball, and everyone goes back and has to
Speaker 5: get into their same positions again. So much time wasted
Speaker 5: on those sorts of things. It's about time we forgot
Speaker 5: about money, because that is now in England anyway, that
Speaker 5: is an arrangement between the players union and what's called
Speaker 5: an MoU of understanding, and now the boards pay those
Speaker 5: fines for the players, so it's nothing to do with
Speaker 5: the players. I think it's about time we started to
Speaker 5: aid the choices are you either add runs to the
Speaker 5: opposition and as long as the umpire on the field
Speaker 5: is saying to the cap listen, you're too slow. You're
Speaker 5: two behind, you're three behind. When you get to four behind,
Speaker 5: five runs per over is going to go off. If
Speaker 5: you go to seven behind, it's ten runs an over
Speaker 5: or whatever it is. They decide there needs to be
Speaker 5: some point of making a change in the match.
Speaker 4: Don't like it myself. Personally.
Speaker 5: I'd rather have fielders taken off the field for a
Speaker 5: certain number of overs. Boy, would bowlers hate that if
Speaker 5: you said you lose two fielders when you get you know,
Speaker 5: five or six behind, you lose two fielders off you go.
Speaker 5: You haven't got three slips, you've got one. You haven't
Speaker 5: got you know three in the covers, you got one.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what bowlers would hurry things up? Then
Speaker 5: I can tell you if that started to happen.
Speaker 4: The only thing I want to add ons is that
Speaker 4: is just to make the picture a little bit worse,
Speaker 4: and that is that those eighty three overs that England
Speaker 4: bowld on the first day best year and about twenty
Speaker 4: didn't they twenty one between them? Yeah?
Speaker 2: The spinner, yeah, and so there was plenty of overs
Speaker 2: that were bold gars. Did you take your tape measure
Speaker 2: out to the middle and measure the gap between the
Speaker 2: pop increase and the return crease and all that.
Speaker 3: Sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Thirty no balls And it wasn't just one bowler. They
Speaker 2: were all having a field day.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I'm glad you asked, because I did, and
Speaker 4: it was It was absolutely right and normal. It was extraordinary,
Speaker 4: wasn't it. I mean Smith, it's interesting talking and looking
Speaker 4: about Nathan Smith. His delivery stride for a man of
Speaker 4: his height is extraordinary long. It's like Joel Garner or someone. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, but he needs.
Speaker 5: To shorten that once because then he'll stand a lot
Speaker 5: higher and you'll get more bounced. He can get bounced
Speaker 5: much closer to the batsman too.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Cars was another, you know, a criminal that I think.
Speaker 4: The thing about it also, Yes, frustrating. I don't know
Speaker 4: how many of those note balls were off the last
Speaker 4: ball of an over wod. So the fielders were moving
Speaker 4: and getting into place for the next over. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: the TV umpire would call them back. And you know,
Speaker 4: this is another distraction. I mean, one of the things
Speaker 4: that I do think is eating into into the time
Speaker 4: during the day is the reviews by the umpires, and
Speaker 4: so you know, I don't justify the run rates being slow.
Speaker 4: I think they're dreadful. But the overts you mean the overrates, sorry, yeah,
Speaker 4: the overrates. I don't justify the over rates being slow.
Speaker 4: But we are seeing, for example, when the third umpire
Speaker 4: was looking at a catch being taken and whether a
Speaker 4: fieldsman had got their fingers underleath it. Tom Latham took
Speaker 4: one at second slip. You know, everything about it told
Speaker 4: you that he had taken the catch. We saw his
Speaker 4: fingers getting underneath it, We saw a sight on angle
Speaker 4: of it, and it told us the catch was taken,
Speaker 4: and that then necessitated another three or four of just
Speaker 4: roll it back if you've got a different angle. You know,
Speaker 4: some of these reviews are taking five minutes and it's
Speaker 4: killing the game, it really is. You've got to in
Speaker 4: the same way. Umpires, if they ever have to make decisions, now.
Speaker 5: Well, what do they make once? What decisions do they make?
Speaker 5: They don't make nobles, they don't.
Speaker 4: Make catchers because that's checked out. They don't give lb
Speaker 4: or if they give it.
Speaker 5: Out, everything backs the umpire if it just nicks the
Speaker 5: leg side top of the ball. Yeah, that's an umpire's
Speaker 5: call they're not making. You know, they're damn lucky they
Speaker 5: get away with them. So that's a good decision. The
Speaker 5: court behind none of that. That's all done by the
Speaker 5: all by drs and all that stuff. The only time
Speaker 5: they ever make decisions when that one team gets three
Speaker 5: or four wrong early and they got none left.
Speaker 2: Rod Tucker guessed a few right today, so that was
Speaker 2: that was something I'm sure he'd be proud of. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of interesting things. So just quickly, are we
Speaker 2: imagining changes to the New Zealand side in Wellington.
Speaker 4: I'm fantasizing about them, not imagining. I'm fantasizing because it
Speaker 4: won't happen. Young and I've talked about and I'm afraid
Speaker 4: I would stand Saudi down and bringing Duffy those are
Speaker 4: my two changes. I bring Duffy.
Speaker 5: I was watching Duffy bowl this morning and he bowls
Speaker 5: a damn heavy ball and I thought he'll look quite useful.
Speaker 5: He also moves the ball away from the right handed
Speaker 5: just a tad and that would give Tom Latham, I think,
Speaker 5: a very good extra guy to turn to, because if
Speaker 5: Saudi doesn't open the bowl.
Speaker 4: And with a new ball, so he gets some swing.
Speaker 4: When does he bowl?
Speaker 2: Yeah he should be he should be the man that
Speaker 2: does the hard yards, but he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Well, there we go. Well, we'll wait to see what
Speaker 3: they do at the base Reserve.
Speaker 4: I don't think they will either.
Speaker 5: Tom Lathan, we spoke to him, as Gar said, and
Speaker 5: he looked very much to me as if he was
Speaker 5: unconcerned about not just the catching, and about the fact
Speaker 5: that they lost the game and there was the next
Speaker 5: game coming up in the next couple of days. And
Speaker 5: I was actually quite taken aback with that. I didn't
Speaker 5: I didn't actually say anything to him because we were
Speaker 5: heading down to now.
Speaker 4: But that's so, that was the story with that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I can see them going once again once
Speaker 5: with exactly the same side.
Speaker 4: I think one of the strengths of this New Zealand
Speaker 4: group over a long period of time has been their
Speaker 4: consistent selections onds and their loyalty to players. I also
Speaker 4: think it's been one of their weaknesses.
Speaker 2: Oh well, we'll wait and see for the second tests
Speaker 2: being played at the Base Reserve starting on Friday.
Speaker 1: On the front foot with Waddle and Cody.
Speaker 2: I've got an email from Andrew and it's been a
Speaker 2: quick reaction from you guys. Hopefully or not hopefully this
Speaker 2: email ages well since I'm only emailing you after the
Speaker 2: first day of the Test. But I was thinking it
Speaker 2: it's just me? Or do opposition spinners seem to go
Speaker 2: pretty well in New Zealand? I did a quick check
Speaker 2: and there are some figures over the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: A brand last year six f one hundred and nineteen
Speaker 2: and two for fifty two, Nathan Lyon four six and
Speaker 2: three day peat, five for eighty nine and three for
Speaker 2: ninety three in Leitch five for one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: seven and three for eighty and he says, as I write,
Speaker 2: Bashir has four wickets and he sees do we just
Speaker 2: not respect the art of spin bowling as much in
Speaker 2: New Zealand and Test cricket in particular. Though we played
Speaker 2: well against spin in India, why are opposition spinners doing
Speaker 2: well against us at home? And we've talked about this
Speaker 2: in the past, But it's a slightly different tech here,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5: I think Darsville is quite strongly about that. He's been
Speaker 5: waiting to answer this. Look, he says, poised poised here
Speaker 5: with it quite and I'm waiting to.
Speaker 4: Hear what he's got to say. No, no, well, I
Speaker 4: think conye and know I do feel strongly about it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know it's not I think Andrew raises a very
Speaker 4: good point. Opposition spinners do do well in New Zealand.
Speaker 4: I mean it's quite possible. I also remember, in addition
Speaker 4: to those ones, Maharaz took a five wicket meg at
Speaker 4: the Basin for South Africa. You know, New Zealand has
Speaker 4: not treated spin bowl as well. And it reminds me
Speaker 4: a little bit of going back into the Frank Cameron
Speaker 4: erarors where he loved his seeing bowlers and spinners were
Speaker 4: you know, I mean you had Kensey was our spinner?
Speaker 4: Yeah he was, he was, Yeah he was, And you
Speaker 4: had I mean Bockie got some Test cricket and obviously
Speaker 4: braces and very successful against the Australians in eighty five
Speaker 4: eighty six. But I think we simply have not had
Speaker 4: the courage. If you look at McCullum going to England
Speaker 4: and saying he plays leech in every game and now
Speaker 4: he prefers Basher and he's taken Basher out of county
Speaker 4: cricket with a very moderate record, and he's playing him
Speaker 4: at the Hagley Oval. New Zealand's best spinner at the
Speaker 4: Hagley Oval is Cain Williamson, who's taken two wickets. So
Speaker 4: that tells you a lot about how we play the game.
Speaker 4: Was Patel took fourteen wickets in Mumbai and took the
Speaker 4: end of twenty twenty one and Jeremy Coney and I
Speaker 4: commentating and through the middle of the night confidently predicted
Speaker 4: that he would not play in a home series against
Speaker 4: Bangladesh or so Africa, and sadly we were right. And
Speaker 4: then he went to England at BOLB two Lords and
Speaker 4: that was it. He got smashed, of course, and then
Speaker 4: not used again. So so the answer to to Andrew's
Speaker 4: question is we did not treat spinners with respect. We
Speaker 4: don't develop them in the right way, and we don't
Speaker 4: create the right conditions for them, nor do we We
Speaker 4: don't provide pictures for them either. Words do we you
Speaker 4: think of a picture that changes in museum? It started
Speaker 4: to one.
Speaker 5: Of those you gave some Hamilton lyon there and that
Speaker 5: was the basin reserve if you remember against Australia recently
Speaker 5: and that's where.
Speaker 3: Philip got Philip did he did?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't I don't think that was late
Speaker 5: February if I remember. And I've got to say, I
Speaker 5: don't think it'll happen this time. You've seen the match
Speaker 5: so far, is it that? Have they played two at
Speaker 5: the basin?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Good seamers right, yeah, And that's the way the basin is.
Speaker 2: So it'll be interesting to see what fronts up for
Speaker 2: that second test.
Speaker 4: Good email from Andrew. Thanks thanks for that.
Speaker 2: Yep, And that's on the front foot twenty at gmail
Speaker 2: dot com.
Speaker 3: If you want to.
Speaker 2: Add something, how did your seventy eight reunion go?
Speaker 3: Jerry did? Did? Rock and look after you?
Speaker 5: Rockett was there and he was very good. He was
Speaker 5: there the entire match today.
Speaker 3: You got to look after you.
Speaker 4: He got it, Yeah, he got it.
Speaker 5: He got a golf buggy today and he went out
Speaker 5: round the round the crowd, up the little benks and
Speaker 5: things like that.
Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't see him because I could.
Speaker 5: Just imagine legs flying everywhere and sort of arms going
Speaker 5: back and him appealing at the time as he went
Speaker 5: down underneath the cart.
Speaker 4: Fantastic like a people visit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly waving and kissing, kissing the grass as
Speaker 5: he arrived.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, from his cart. Yeah, I saw the hadleys.
Speaker 5: Dale was there, and of course Richard, and of course
Speaker 5: Wally was there. Saw hier w Wall looked as he
Speaker 5: had gotten the sun a bit early. He was quite
Speaker 5: quite red in the face.
Speaker 4: Jumbo Anderson on crutches and using them as a tool
Speaker 4: to fend people away. Yeah, isn't usually hitting you in
Speaker 4: the groin area. Thanks, Jumbo. That's really good. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: saw writing as well. Isn't good for him. He's back
Speaker 4: from doing his scouting over an Indian so he's gone.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: And Andrew, Andrew Orison caught up with Stephen Bock there
Speaker 2: and got a couple of good stories out of him.
Speaker 7: Well, it's hard for me to remember this, but the
Speaker 7: crowd was loud and the siren was going every time
Speaker 7: a wicket fell, and the crowd was very close in
Speaker 7: those days, right into the boundary. The boundary was the
Speaker 7: fence rather than a rope inside the pitch with the
Speaker 7: other way or south, And there was a terrible southerly
Speaker 7: blowing that the two Richards bowled with it and the
Speaker 7: rest of us bowled into it. Although I didn't have
Speaker 7: to do very much in that regard. I had my
Speaker 7: first bowl in the first innings, I got my first
Speaker 7: Test wicket. Wasn't a very memorable ball, but I got
Speaker 7: out Jeff Miller, so I had a wicket. Second innings,
Speaker 7: I didn't bowl at all. I was fielding it shortly
Speaker 7: egg and I know that the runout was quite critical
Speaker 7: because Old and Taylor had potential to take the score through.
Speaker 7: And it was one of those situations where normally it
Speaker 7: would happen in a farm yard game with nobody watching
Speaker 7: but two dogs. For me, it happened in the middle
Speaker 7: of the base in reserve and a critical encounter, and
Speaker 7: Chris Holden was backing away from Richard Hadley, and I
Speaker 7: knew he would try and get away into the non
Speaker 7: striker's end and had he was bowling short, so it
Speaker 7: was odds on he was going to get it off
Speaker 7: his ribs and it was going to fly around where
Speaker 7: I was somewhere, so I was ready to take off.
Speaker 4: And I suppose if he had.
Speaker 7: Loved up a little catch, I might look quite silly,
Speaker 7: but he didn't, and what I anticipated happened.
Speaker 4: And Princess the final thoughts A find a couple of thoughts.
Speaker 8: Jeffrey Walcott, Sir Jeffrey Bycott these days is here, I think.
Speaker 8: But he came out of the dressing room after where
Speaker 8: he been skinnled by Richard Collins and in the second things,
Speaker 8: and that really set things a bit of a catalyst.
Speaker 2: What was it like when he came because he was
Speaker 2: Captain England on.
Speaker 7: The he was captain and it was very gracious of him.
Speaker 7: He came right around their dressing room and thanked this
Speaker 7: all and congratulated us all.
Speaker 3: And yeah, you were asking me about my.
Speaker 7: Comment to him, I could possibly ask Jeff got hit
Speaker 7: in the eye at practice or fell off his back
Speaker 7: and got him on the brow, and so he had
Speaker 7: a bit of a black eye. And in those days
Speaker 7: I wasn't as mature as I am now. And when
Speaker 7: Jeff congratulated me, I thanked him very much. And then
Speaker 7: I asked if he realized that his Misscara was running.
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, I look back on things like Matt
Speaker 7: and think shaky cheek you.
Speaker 2: Stephen Bock there with a memory from the nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: eight Test at the Base Reserve, the reunion held through
Speaker 2: the Test match at Hagley Oval.
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us again.
Speaker 2: Guys, it's been a lot of fun plenty to talk
Speaker 2: about in cricket. We'll look forward to seeing you at
Speaker 2: the Basin Reserve and I hope you can just put
Speaker 2: your feet up, have a good rest and enjoy the
Speaker 2: break before you get here on Friday.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Ondce. Look forward to seeing you man, it's been
Speaker 5: a while. Rather than just on the zoom zoom calls,
Speaker 5: I've got to say, well done. Well, I'll see you
Speaker 5: on the Friday, and you're going to the lunch.
Speaker 3: I'm going to the lunch, see you up there once.
Speaker 4: Look forward to it, buddy. There's a reunion of the
Speaker 4: ninety nine New Zealand side and apparently Ken's is coming.
Speaker 3: We'll try catch up with them and have a bit
Speaker 3: of a chapter book or two. Seeing you at make
Speaker 3: Sure Reserve.
Speaker 4: Can I, we'll catch you on the essence can I.
Speaker 4: We'll give on the summoning.
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