WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 198: Dropped catches lose matches 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:19.573 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:19.773 --> 0:00:24.813 Take another's it is out, the test is over. 0:00:25.333 --> 0:00:27.773 I couldn't smoke. 0:00:28.133 --> 0:00:29.293 Wow, that was a beauty. 0:00:29.333 --> 0:00:31.413 It is out and here he goes. 0:00:31.493 --> 0:00:33.373 This delivery has in years as. 0:00:33.333 --> 0:00:33.853 The goal. 0:00:36.173 --> 0:00:39.573 On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody 0:00:39.893 --> 0:00:43.773 powered by News Talk, said B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:47.933 --> 0:00:50.733 Hello, we're on the front foot once again, although I 0:00:50.813 --> 0:00:52.813 feel that they were on the back foot the way 0:00:53.133 --> 0:00:57.093 that this match when ed he with a chance still 0:00:57.133 --> 0:00:59.333 alive to make the World TIS Championship Final. 0:00:59.573 --> 0:01:00.453 The black Caps have. 0:01:00.573 --> 0:01:04.173 Dropped the ball literally in a test they could have won. 0:01:04.573 --> 0:01:07.853 You can't drop the next Bradman as Brook has been 0:01:07.893 --> 0:01:11.013 to him, drop him five times and expect to win 0:01:11.373 --> 0:01:15.093 and not expect him to score big. Jeremy Canney. I 0:01:15.173 --> 0:01:18.013 was watching cricket at one of your favorite grounds this morning, 0:01:18.093 --> 0:01:22.453 Sabina Park, Jamaica, and the wist Lindy's had serious case 0:01:22.853 --> 0:01:25.253 of dropsy as well against Bangladesh. 0:01:25.453 --> 0:01:28.453 Really I didn't know that what was this, what was 0:01:28.493 --> 0:01:30.573 the what was the game? There was? 0:01:30.933 --> 0:01:31.093 Well? 0:01:31.093 --> 0:01:33.373 I got a Test match at Sabia Park in Jamaica. 0:01:33.413 --> 0:01:36.293 They haven't played a Test match there for three years. 0:01:37.213 --> 0:01:41.853 But the Test match started late because the ground was wet. 0:01:41.893 --> 0:01:49.253 You remember that, I remember, yeah, yeah, And so they 0:01:49.293 --> 0:01:52.613 had sitting number of overs. But Kimar Oach got a 0:01:52.613 --> 0:01:56.173 couple of wickets. He's been playing Test cricket for fifteen years, 0:01:56.173 --> 0:01:58.053 did you Rose really? 0:01:58.173 --> 0:01:59.853 No? I didn't know. That's quite a long time. 0:01:59.933 --> 0:02:00.053 Yes. 0:02:00.213 --> 0:02:04.533 For bowl that's incredible, yeah, but never mind, back to 0:02:03.893 --> 0:02:07.293 the Test match. That's a real disappointment. We could have 0:02:07.293 --> 0:02:07.933 won that game. 0:02:08.373 --> 0:02:10.973 Well, we had chances, didn't we a lot of them. 0:02:11.853 --> 0:02:14.573 We got stuck in for a start on a matted, 0:02:15.013 --> 0:02:18.653 kind of grassy pitch the first day, quite thick, you know, 0:02:19.213 --> 0:02:21.973 and sort of tennis ball bounce because it took all 0:02:21.973 --> 0:02:23.853 the friction out as soon as it landed on it, 0:02:24.733 --> 0:02:26.773 and so you had to wait for that ball. And 0:02:26.773 --> 0:02:30.173 that's why Conway got out so quickly, pushing out the 0:02:30.173 --> 0:02:33.293 ball going past the vertical with his bat one hand 0:02:33.333 --> 0:02:35.413 of course on it, you know who he is, and 0:02:35.853 --> 0:02:38.933 it went too far and just provided the bowler with 0:02:38.973 --> 0:02:42.293 the cork bold quite reasonable catch and his follow through. 0:02:42.893 --> 0:02:45.293 But yeah, so it was a tennis ball bounce, but 0:02:45.413 --> 0:02:48.773 we did get to three for two hundred about by 0:02:49.133 --> 0:02:54.133 say the end of the second the second session, and 0:02:54.333 --> 0:02:57.293 because we'd only lost three wickets, we did have a chance. 0:02:57.373 --> 0:03:01.573 There was our chance done day one to really forge 0:03:01.573 --> 0:03:05.213 ahead of it and maybe get to three hundred and 0:03:05.293 --> 0:03:09.333 ten or so and not lose two many more wickets, 0:03:09.733 --> 0:03:13.013 but we did. Of course, we lost five wickets in 0:03:13.053 --> 0:03:17.093 that last session, with Mitchell getting court by the backstop 0:03:17.133 --> 0:03:20.573 and Williamson cutting to backward point and Blundle, you know, 0:03:20.773 --> 0:03:24.533 getting caught at backward point and Smith just turning it 0:03:24.573 --> 0:03:27.413 to backpad and all those kinds of things that happened, 0:03:27.973 --> 0:03:29.213 and we lost off ive. 0:03:29.013 --> 0:03:32.453 For one hundred and twenty. Yeah, so they weren't. It 0:03:32.493 --> 0:03:33.693 was a shame that we didn't. 0:03:33.693 --> 0:03:37.533 We lost that first opportunity, and then you said to yourself, 0:03:37.613 --> 0:03:40.013 oh no, hang on. We got a few more the 0:03:40.053 --> 0:03:42.253 next day and the next morning three forty eight, and 0:03:42.293 --> 0:03:45.053 then we had them four for seventy. 0:03:44.293 --> 0:03:47.933 And we thought, right, we'll we'll keep taking a few wickets. 0:03:48.293 --> 0:03:52.253 No we won't, because that's exactly when the catching crisis 0:03:52.413 --> 0:03:55.973 fell into full swing. And of course you know what 0:03:56.053 --> 0:03:59.453 happened then, and Brooke just kept on going and had 0:03:59.533 --> 0:04:02.773 various but Pope kept on going and then Oakes kept 0:04:02.813 --> 0:04:04.813 on going and. 0:04:04.773 --> 0:04:07.733 Brooke, Yeah, well that was the story of the game. 0:04:07.813 --> 0:04:11.173 And just before we carry on with Gus Galloway who's 0:04:11.253 --> 0:04:14.093 joining us as well, the view from the oval, Tom 0:04:14.173 --> 0:04:16.333 Latham's reaction the jual and Captain. 0:04:17.613 --> 0:04:21.053 Yeah, look, I think post first innings for being put 0:04:21.093 --> 0:04:23.733 in on that sort of surface to I think first read, 0:04:23.773 --> 0:04:25.733 to be in the position we were, you know, we 0:04:25.773 --> 0:04:28.093 probably would have liked a few more runs if we're 0:04:28.133 --> 0:04:31.213 able to extend some of those partnerships to I guess, 0:04:31.253 --> 0:04:34.493 those significant partnerships that do make a difference in a game, 0:04:34.573 --> 0:04:36.653 then you know, things might have looked slightly differently. But 0:04:37.693 --> 0:04:40.813 to have them sort of seventy eighty for four with 0:04:40.893 --> 0:04:43.893 our tails up, take some catches and you know, certainly 0:04:43.893 --> 0:04:47.053 myself included, you know, things might look slightly differently. So 0:04:47.813 --> 0:04:50.533 even though the result of the game, you know, does 0:04:50.533 --> 0:04:53.133 look quite big, there are small margins in the game 0:04:53.173 --> 0:04:56.213 of cricket, and unfortunately things aren't quite full the right 0:04:56.573 --> 0:05:00.373 the right way, and you know, by no means of 0:05:00.613 --> 0:05:02.693 not trying, and you know, boys are putting the effort 0:05:02.693 --> 0:05:05.253 in some days, you know, that's just crickets, the game 0:05:05.293 --> 0:05:08.933 we play. Unfortunately, things like that happen. I don't think 0:05:08.973 --> 0:05:11.853 it's something that requires work. You know, we certainly put 0:05:11.853 --> 0:05:14.733 the work in, you know, behind the scenes, training days 0:05:15.253 --> 0:05:17.493 and all that sort of thing, and you know, it 0:05:17.533 --> 0:05:20.933 certainly hasn't been a thing that's a continuous thing that's 0:05:21.013 --> 0:05:24.133 been happening. It's just one of those games where sometimes 0:05:24.173 --> 0:05:27.413 when one goes down, sometimes they all keep keep falling. So, 0:05:27.973 --> 0:05:30.693 as I said, I'm certainly myself to blame as well 0:05:31.293 --> 0:05:34.253 in that situation. But as I said, we'd like to 0:05:34.253 --> 0:05:37.933 stay nice and level and try not to overemphasize things. 0:05:38.493 --> 0:05:40.453 You know, we know we need to be better and 0:05:40.493 --> 0:05:43.453 we'll certainly hopefully do that and want Yeah, I think 0:05:43.453 --> 0:05:46.053 we're always constantly looking to adapt, and we certainly know 0:05:46.093 --> 0:05:48.413 the way that the English are gonna are going to play. 0:05:49.133 --> 0:05:49.293 You know. 0:05:49.333 --> 0:05:51.413 The pleasant thing from our point of view, we're able 0:05:51.453 --> 0:05:54.173 to create opportunities, which is which is what you need 0:05:54.213 --> 0:05:56.053 to do against this English side, and we know they're 0:05:56.053 --> 0:05:58.413 going to keep coming hard from from one to eleven 0:05:58.453 --> 0:06:00.133 and we've seen that over a period of time. But 0:06:00.693 --> 0:06:04.013 as I said, yeah, isolated to that innings where where 0:06:04.013 --> 0:06:07.213 we created enough opportunities to bowl them out and you 0:06:07.253 --> 0:06:10.133 take catches and things might look slightly differently, you know, 0:06:10.173 --> 0:06:13.453 from the first and second inning. So yeah, obviously we 0:06:13.453 --> 0:06:16.653 were at our best this game, and we certainly acknowledge that, 0:06:16.693 --> 0:06:18.733 and I hopefully we can be better heading into Ellington 0:06:19.573 --> 0:06:20.013 and Gath. 0:06:20.053 --> 0:06:23.693 I take some of the points made thereby Tom Nathan, 0:06:23.733 --> 0:06:26.933 but I'm sorry his comment that it's not an area 0:06:27.013 --> 0:06:29.653 we have to work on and it hasn't been troubling 0:06:29.733 --> 0:06:31.293 us very often. 0:06:31.613 --> 0:06:34.053 To my mind, I disagree. 0:06:34.373 --> 0:06:36.573 It is an area that needs work when you drop 0:06:36.613 --> 0:06:39.133 eight catches and I don't think they. 0:06:38.973 --> 0:06:42.053 Do the work enough work to be confident in the field. 0:06:42.333 --> 0:06:43.253 How did it look to you? 0:06:43.973 --> 0:06:46.493 Well, you've watched a lot of cricket, Brian. You've seen 0:06:47.173 --> 0:06:50.693 this team, the squad, you know, a group of players 0:06:50.733 --> 0:06:53.053 over many years warming up and you get a field 0:06:53.053 --> 0:06:55.533 for it, don't you. I mean a interesting watching England. 0:06:55.573 --> 0:06:58.573 I think they spent forty five minutes playing the keep 0:06:58.613 --> 0:07:02.693 the soccer ball up in the year today. But you 0:07:02.773 --> 0:07:05.093 do see the end doing some fielding routines. But I 0:07:05.093 --> 0:07:07.373 find it it's really interesting because you used to see 0:07:07.733 --> 0:07:09.933 a lot of bilding routines as part of the build 0:07:09.973 --> 0:07:12.973 ups and the start of the play. You know, you 0:07:12.973 --> 0:07:16.053 would see them playing those exercises where someone would roll 0:07:16.053 --> 0:07:19.573 the ball out, they would run from say a cover area, 0:07:19.613 --> 0:07:21.813 pick it up, throw it. The stunts run around and 0:07:21.853 --> 0:07:24.613 they would have those cycles. You'd see lots of slip 0:07:24.653 --> 0:07:28.413 catching being practiced, and you would see outfield catching being practiced. 0:07:28.493 --> 0:07:30.293 You go around the ground, wouldn't you watch? That was 0:07:31.133 --> 0:07:31.973 the usual way. 0:07:32.013 --> 0:07:34.733 You'd go out as a team, and you'd go and 0:07:35.053 --> 0:07:37.813 those sort of five or six would the outfielders would 0:07:37.813 --> 0:07:42.053 go around the ground high ones, flat ones ones coming 0:07:42.053 --> 0:07:43.813 out of where the crowd is. The crowd at that 0:07:43.893 --> 0:07:47.293 state a stage, you're arriving, aren't they. So you actually 0:07:47.373 --> 0:07:50.413 get an idea of what the background for a flat 0:07:50.533 --> 0:07:53.133 catcher is like, and you get your high catches and 0:07:53.173 --> 0:07:56.093 you see what it's like. You can triangulate on that 0:07:56.213 --> 0:07:59.293 and take your high catches. Same in the slips. You 0:07:59.373 --> 0:08:03.013 work with the left handers right handers. And that's exactly 0:08:03.013 --> 0:08:05.573 how we used to warm up usually as a team. 0:08:06.093 --> 0:08:08.093 I didn't see the New Zealanders out there, to be 0:08:08.173 --> 0:08:12.573 really honest, the entire match. They did not arrive out 0:08:12.693 --> 0:08:16.613 other than to do little exercises with the guy Chris Donaldson. 0:08:17.533 --> 0:08:19.853 But that was about it. We didn't see them. They 0:08:19.893 --> 0:08:22.373 batted on the background. I don't even know whether they 0:08:22.413 --> 0:08:23.893 had catching practice. 0:08:24.373 --> 0:08:27.013 No, I well, I didn't see any. What you know 0:08:27.173 --> 0:08:28.933 is they go over to the nets at the back 0:08:29.213 --> 0:08:32.573 by the you know, the Richard had the academy, and 0:08:32.613 --> 0:08:34.493 they all have a net that the guys who are 0:08:34.533 --> 0:08:36.773 going to be batting bat and that's what you'd expect 0:08:36.813 --> 0:08:38.213 them to do, and they go over there during the 0:08:38.253 --> 0:08:41.853 day when the team's batting as well. Equally, you know, 0:08:41.933 --> 0:08:44.933 you see the bowlers warming up with the with the peepers, 0:08:45.093 --> 0:08:48.213 people with the you know, the baseball mits and so on. 0:08:48.893 --> 0:08:51.053 But you don't see the fielding that we used to see. 0:08:51.493 --> 0:08:53.213 And you know, I'm not I wouldn't worry too much. 0:08:53.253 --> 0:08:55.893 From England's point of view. On one occasion, we didn't 0:08:55.933 --> 0:09:00.453 see Brendan McCallum on his knees and heading slips, catching 0:09:00.533 --> 0:09:03.853 and doing it to right and left hand angles. And 0:09:03.893 --> 0:09:06.133 I thought England's catching was very good in this match, 0:09:06.293 --> 0:09:08.093 you know, you see, well it was better than than 0:09:08.173 --> 0:09:09.213 you Zealand, wasn't it. 0:09:09.253 --> 0:09:13.373 And to say that that didn't cost us the match 0:09:14.853 --> 0:09:18.013 that's the most elementary you know analysis, you would make 0:09:18.853 --> 0:09:20.973 that our eight catchers. 0:09:21.453 --> 0:09:21.653 You know. 0:09:22.213 --> 0:09:25.813 Basically Harry Brooke got one hundred and seventy one for six. 0:09:27.253 --> 0:09:31.133 That's what he got, you know, and that's what was Yeah, 0:09:31.333 --> 0:09:34.973 you cannot you cannot drop players of that ilk and 0:09:35.013 --> 0:09:35.693 that quality. 0:09:35.813 --> 0:09:40.173 Well Brook was dropped on, Yeah, was dropped on eleven. 0:09:40.733 --> 0:09:42.213 He didn have been one hundred for five. 0:09:43.013 --> 0:09:45.733 Yeah. He put on a good partnership with Pope and 0:09:46.053 --> 0:09:49.493 Stokes came in and they moved it around Brook. You 0:09:49.533 --> 0:09:52.533 know if Oakes was dropped, yeah, if he covers, if 0:09:52.573 --> 0:09:55.293 he'd been out for eleven, I think it would have 0:09:55.293 --> 0:09:57.093 been a very different men. Yeah. 0:09:57.493 --> 0:10:00.453 Yeah, But what it does for me, sadly is we 0:10:00.493 --> 0:10:04.133 are developing some fast bowling talent. Oh rowk to me 0:10:04.613 --> 0:10:08.293 is an outstanding talent. Smith came in and I thought 0:10:08.493 --> 0:10:11.573 had a creditable game. Yeah, he got a bit expensive 0:10:11.853 --> 0:10:14.773 in the big thrash towards the end, but they were 0:10:14.853 --> 0:10:16.933 let down in the field. Smith had a five for 0:10:17.213 --> 0:10:20.133 or even six four rob from him by Paul Catching, 0:10:20.173 --> 0:10:20.613 didn't he. 0:10:21.093 --> 0:10:24.053 That's correct, It was absolutely correct. 0:10:24.453 --> 0:10:27.173 Both were the highlights of the bowlers. To me, we 0:10:27.293 --> 0:10:31.053 know what Henry's like, he's a very consistent bowler. But 0:10:31.173 --> 0:10:34.533 to bring those other two in, I've just John. I 0:10:34.653 --> 0:10:36.413 just got some of the notes here that I made 0:10:36.493 --> 0:10:39.733 during the match, wads, and that's that's a certainly there. 0:10:39.933 --> 0:10:42.173 Smith and o'rourk o rought. 0:10:41.973 --> 0:10:46.973 For his pace and consistent paceover about fifteen or sixteen overs, 0:10:47.013 --> 0:10:50.773 I think he bowled and was up there around about 0:10:50.773 --> 0:10:54.813 one hundred and forty six k's and so that's outstand 0:10:54.853 --> 0:10:58.293 that's into ninety miles an hour. And Smith was he 0:10:58.413 --> 0:11:00.293 was a bit excited at the start and got some 0:11:00.413 --> 0:11:03.373 few little balls, but he looks to be to me, 0:11:03.453 --> 0:11:06.013 when he's pitching the ball up a bit more, he 0:11:06.133 --> 0:11:08.733 can he can sit you on your backside as well. 0:11:09.293 --> 0:11:12.053 I thought he looked jolly useful, as you know, as 0:11:12.093 --> 0:11:15.253 a fourth seamer. So I was pleased to see both 0:11:15.333 --> 0:11:19.333 those additions and our attack. When Jamison gets a bit 0:11:19.373 --> 0:11:22.893 better and when Sears gets better, you won't have Saldi there. 0:11:22.893 --> 0:11:25.173 I'm afraid he will not be in that top four 0:11:25.253 --> 0:11:26.413 or five bowlers. 0:11:26.773 --> 0:11:27.573 Yeah, fair point. 0:11:27.893 --> 0:11:29.453 Well, that's one of the issues they're gonna have to 0:11:29.453 --> 0:11:33.053 deal with. And Smith looked as though he fitted into 0:11:33.093 --> 0:11:37.013 the role of an all rounder. He's not yet an 0:11:37.053 --> 0:11:40.013 all rounder, but his batting effort on the final day 0:11:40.053 --> 0:11:42.773 with Mitchell was excellent. 0:11:43.213 --> 0:11:45.813 What do we do at number six? 0:11:46.453 --> 0:11:49.773 Is Tom Blundell the number six batsman or should Phillips 0:11:49.813 --> 0:11:53.973 go there Blundell concentrate on his keeping Garth or do 0:11:54.013 --> 0:11:55.133 we need another working keeper? 0:11:55.573 --> 0:11:57.533 Well, I think we're getting to the point actually where 0:11:57.573 --> 0:12:00.013 I mean, you know, our views will be different to 0:12:00.053 --> 0:12:03.693 the New Zealand camps. I think looking at talking to 0:12:03.853 --> 0:12:07.253 n Smith about Blundle, he clearly thinks there has been 0:12:07.253 --> 0:12:11.053 a deterioration in his keeping. You know you can. I 0:12:11.093 --> 0:12:13.093 think you've got to put him at seven now. Phillips 0:12:13.133 --> 0:12:14.973 has to be more involved in the game. He's a 0:12:15.013 --> 0:12:18.133 player who thrives on pressure. He thrives on being involved. 0:12:18.373 --> 0:12:20.133 Get him up at number six. You've got to get 0:12:20.173 --> 0:12:25.533 him for me, That's that's essential. Blundle, I think I 0:12:25.893 --> 0:12:29.453 didn't think he kept particularly well on the Subcontinent. Keepers 0:12:29.493 --> 0:12:31.693 would say it's a very hard place to keep, and 0:12:31.733 --> 0:12:34.533 I think that's a fair comment. However, you know I 0:12:34.573 --> 0:12:38.213 don't Yeah, I just don't see that Blundle is you know, 0:12:38.253 --> 0:12:41.333 he dropped a few. I'm not talking about catchers, but 0:12:41.413 --> 0:12:44.093 he dropped a few balls. I didn't think his footwork 0:12:44.253 --> 0:12:47.533 was as good as it normally is. And most of all, 0:12:47.893 --> 0:12:49.693 you know, you have to have keepers. If you're betting 0:12:49.693 --> 0:12:52.813 in that number seven position, you've got to be scoring runs. 0:12:53.253 --> 0:12:55.773 And it seems like a long time since the twenty 0:12:55.813 --> 0:13:01.053 twenty two summer in England where Mitchell and Blundell were 0:13:01.093 --> 0:13:04.733 so magnificent for New Zealand, and really since that time, 0:13:05.493 --> 0:13:09.373 and indeed in the last calendar year it's well. In fact, 0:13:09.773 --> 0:13:12.373 if we look at this year, he had one hundred 0:13:12.413 --> 0:13:15.413 and thirty eight against England at Mountain Long and Nui, 0:13:16.373 --> 0:13:19.013 you know, a very good innings. Since then, his highest 0:13:19.013 --> 0:13:22.293 score has been thirty eight. He's out of form. Yeah, 0:13:22.573 --> 0:13:23.773 I don't think that. 0:13:24.293 --> 0:13:26.813 I mean, as far as Tom Blundell, he's he's been 0:13:26.853 --> 0:13:30.653 a good player and he will return. It's just a 0:13:30.733 --> 0:13:32.813 question at the moment. I think he's lost a lot 0:13:32.853 --> 0:13:36.413 of confidences. What they do with him, I guess they'll 0:13:36.453 --> 0:13:39.613 play him. I think as far as your immediate question 0:13:39.973 --> 0:13:44.253 was in the next test. But I also would add 0:13:44.293 --> 0:13:47.693 to what Garta said about his keeping is that he's 0:13:47.733 --> 0:13:51.693 standing quite deep and that he's taking the ball quite often. 0:13:51.893 --> 0:13:57.133 The knee below the knees and that pushes the slip 0:13:57.213 --> 0:14:00.653 cordon back a little. They need to be able to 0:14:00.733 --> 0:14:05.413 keep the slip Courton cordon almost in front of where 0:14:05.813 --> 0:14:06.973 Blundell is keeping. 0:14:07.413 --> 0:14:10.533 Otherwise the are not carrying. 0:14:10.973 --> 0:14:14.573 And if you remember the first catch that went to Latham, 0:14:15.573 --> 0:14:18.413 and I think it was from Duckett when he was 0:14:18.453 --> 0:14:21.613 still batting, and it was quite low. It certainly carried 0:14:21.613 --> 0:14:24.093 to him, but it was he was wanting to come 0:14:24.253 --> 0:14:27.893 forward to the catch and hit the heel of the hand. Now, 0:14:27.933 --> 0:14:30.533 if he was up another half pace, that would have 0:14:30.533 --> 0:14:34.333 been a comfortable catch for him. So he's forcing everybody 0:14:34.413 --> 0:14:35.533 back just a bit too deep. 0:14:36.653 --> 0:14:38.973 Is that the change in our pitch conditions, because I 0:14:39.013 --> 0:14:41.533 think if we look back to the Indian series of 0:14:41.573 --> 0:14:44.173 the bounce was low there, but our pitches here in 0:14:44.173 --> 0:14:47.253 New Zealand are starting to give more bounce the basiers 0:14:47.293 --> 0:14:50.693 of even the pitch at Hagley had a bounce that 0:14:50.893 --> 0:14:53.693 was consistent right the way through. There was good carry 0:14:54.213 --> 0:14:57.693 and there has been a change in what we have 0:14:58.053 --> 0:14:59.253 on the park for our players. 0:15:00.413 --> 0:15:02.693 I think the pitch at Hagley, I think that you 0:15:03.133 --> 0:15:05.173 blow the first day and a bit, wasn't it was, 0:15:05.213 --> 0:15:07.093 And that's the point I wanted to make once is 0:15:07.133 --> 0:15:12.053 that there, you know, and that when I think they 0:15:12.093 --> 0:15:14.453 talk about it having a slight tennis ball bounce on 0:15:14.493 --> 0:15:16.373 the first day there. We had to chat to Tom 0:15:16.453 --> 0:15:19.093 Latham after the game and he mentioned that, and Kane 0:15:19.133 --> 0:15:23.293 Williamson in his after match interview on day one talked 0:15:23.333 --> 0:15:26.413 about the ball just not quite being there. That's very 0:15:26.453 --> 0:15:29.813 normal at Hackley Park and Tom Latham also said that 0:15:29.853 --> 0:15:32.053 the basin can be a little bit like that as well. 0:15:33.013 --> 0:15:37.053 But yeah on day one, Yeah, good bounce after that though, 0:15:37.893 --> 0:15:41.253 But interesting, I think back to the Basin Reserve twenty 0:15:41.773 --> 0:15:45.053 twenty five years ago and grounds like Carrisbrook as well, 0:15:45.573 --> 0:15:49.413 where you know, I can recall really good bounce on 0:15:49.493 --> 0:15:52.373 those pictures. There was a period where Carrisbrook was hard 0:15:52.413 --> 0:15:57.253 and fast. Absolutely it's skyiney actually, you know, hard to 0:15:57.253 --> 0:15:59.893 believe when you think about Danitan's climate and the ground 0:15:59.973 --> 0:16:02.453 temperatures and those sort of things. We've moved away from that. 0:16:02.613 --> 0:16:04.333 One of the issues that Jerry and I were talking 0:16:04.373 --> 0:16:07.133 about Brian is, you know, when we watched England just 0:16:07.373 --> 0:16:10.293 smacking us the New Zealand side all around the park 0:16:10.293 --> 0:16:12.933 for that one hundred and four runs. You know, this 0:16:13.013 --> 0:16:16.013 pitch was Taylor made for their betting and we were 0:16:16.133 --> 0:16:18.933 chatting about having to make pictures where you're going to 0:16:18.933 --> 0:16:20.773 get a bit of turn or you're going to get 0:16:20.813 --> 0:16:22.413 a bit of scene movement. You've got to get the 0:16:22.413 --> 0:16:23.973 ball to move on was if you can't get it 0:16:23.973 --> 0:16:24.613 to move. 0:16:25.733 --> 0:16:28.853 How prior to pitching, so that you if you either 0:16:28.893 --> 0:16:32.693 swing it or pom pitching, you seem it or you 0:16:32.733 --> 0:16:36.333 spin it. We've got to change the direction of the 0:16:36.373 --> 0:16:39.813 ball against a team like England, otherwise they you see 0:16:39.853 --> 0:16:43.813 the very best kind of example and iteration of how 0:16:43.853 --> 0:16:46.733 they can be. They just because it takes lengths out 0:16:46.733 --> 0:16:49.973 of the game. You know, unless you're very short and 0:16:50.013 --> 0:16:52.493 it's bouncing hell of a lot anything in length, they 0:16:52.493 --> 0:16:55.333 can just hit through the line and they do that 0:16:55.653 --> 0:16:58.573 very very effectively, and so it makes it very hard 0:16:58.613 --> 0:17:01.693 for our bubbles. And we've just got to say to ourselves, look, 0:17:02.133 --> 0:17:05.133 let's produce pictures that are a little bit damp that 0:17:05.373 --> 0:17:08.133 lasts so that we're not penalized if we lose the 0:17:08.173 --> 0:17:10.973 time that it'll last through a paps a couple of 0:17:11.093 --> 0:17:14.373 days where the ball moves around a bit, and let's 0:17:14.453 --> 0:17:20.133 back our top order to be better defensively and stay 0:17:20.173 --> 0:17:23.773 in more than the opposition. And I think against that 0:17:23.893 --> 0:17:26.893 opposition that they have at the moment, we are better, 0:17:27.253 --> 0:17:29.373 but they are better at attacking than we are. 0:17:29.933 --> 0:17:30.933 We've got to take it. 0:17:30.813 --> 0:17:35.853 Away from Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 0:17:36.413 --> 0:17:40.173 Is there a confidence crisis for Conway at the top. 0:17:40.213 --> 0:17:43.453 He's a shadow of the player who was averaging nearly fifty, 0:17:43.653 --> 0:17:46.693 scored a double one hundred at Lords and really looked 0:17:47.053 --> 0:17:49.453 an opener. Yes, he's got the big money and good 0:17:49.533 --> 0:17:51.493 luck to him. I hope he enjoys it and is 0:17:51.533 --> 0:17:53.533 able to make the most of it. But is he 0:17:54.413 --> 0:17:58.173 delivering at Test match level what we can expect and 0:17:58.213 --> 0:18:00.253 what we've expected from him previously. 0:18:00.973 --> 0:18:04.053 The answer is no, Brian, and not the moment. 0:18:04.093 --> 0:18:04.213 No. 0:18:04.693 --> 0:18:07.093 He had an innings in India where he bettered very well. 0:18:07.533 --> 0:18:09.693 I think the condition suited for a couple of innings 0:18:09.733 --> 0:18:12.053 where I think the condition suited him a bit better 0:18:12.093 --> 0:18:16.093 over there here. You know, I think it's it's pretty simple. Really. 0:18:16.173 --> 0:18:20.373 His confidence is gone and that's reflected in his footwork going. 0:18:20.613 --> 0:18:24.533 And you know we saw on both occasions, the first 0:18:24.533 --> 0:18:28.493 one driving Atkinson back a really awkward shot with very 0:18:28.533 --> 0:18:31.853 limited foot movement, and then an attempted pull shot in 0:18:31.893 --> 0:18:34.493 the second innings where you know, very awkward when you 0:18:34.533 --> 0:18:37.413 see it going to mid arm and him being caught 0:18:37.453 --> 0:18:40.693 there by woke. So I think you know when you 0:18:41.053 --> 0:18:44.493 see players like Route, for example, Williamson in this Test, 0:18:44.573 --> 0:18:47.893 when they're in the zone mentally, there's no clutter in 0:18:47.973 --> 0:18:52.133 their brains. Their feet just seemed to move nicely from 0:18:52.173 --> 0:18:56.933 the from ball one. Almost With Conway, I just thought 0:18:57.013 --> 0:19:00.173 he's almost trying to hat his way out and hope. 0:19:00.653 --> 0:19:03.533 And for me, I don't think I'll be playing him. 0:19:03.533 --> 0:19:05.253 I'd give him a break. I think he deserves it. 0:19:05.293 --> 0:19:08.733 He looks absolutely shot of confidence and he doesn't look 0:19:08.773 --> 0:19:13.053 like he's enjoying quick bowling. He certainly is suspicious. 0:19:14.373 --> 0:19:18.653 Of facing anything slightly quick where he has to move 0:19:18.693 --> 0:19:21.453 his feet, and his feet are becoming a bit more 0:19:21.493 --> 0:19:24.573 frozen on, you know, around the pop increase. 0:19:25.213 --> 0:19:25.813 When he plays. 0:19:25.853 --> 0:19:29.613 The difference between playing forward or playing back is minimal. 0:19:31.333 --> 0:19:32.813 You can get away with that as long as you 0:19:32.853 --> 0:19:36.453 transfer your weight sometimes, but I just don't think he's 0:19:36.493 --> 0:19:38.213 getting close enough to the ball, and so. 0:19:38.253 --> 0:19:40.973 That's why you're seeing that. 0:19:40.573 --> 0:19:44.173 Bottom hand come off the bat so often, and so 0:19:44.493 --> 0:19:46.853 the top hand just keeps on going, keeps on going, 0:19:46.893 --> 0:19:48.733 and keeps on going, gets way out in front of 0:19:48.813 --> 0:19:51.693 himself and that's when it goes past the vertical and 0:19:51.733 --> 0:19:54.173 you end up not controlling the shot. 0:19:54.733 --> 0:19:58.133 You also, the bottom hair normally guides it, and so 0:19:58.253 --> 0:19:58.573 if you. 0:19:58.533 --> 0:20:02.693 Haven't got the guiding part, quite often you're you're playing 0:20:02.733 --> 0:20:04.733 not in the line of the ball. That's what you're 0:20:04.733 --> 0:20:06.813 doing with that bottom hand keeping it in the line 0:20:06.853 --> 0:20:07.413 of the ball. 0:20:08.013 --> 0:20:09.413 So you know his. 0:20:09.453 --> 0:20:13.653 Footwork has contracted, it's all been pulled in too small 0:20:14.173 --> 0:20:17.693 and it's become minimal. And so you know when he 0:20:17.733 --> 0:20:20.533 doesn't get inside the line once that pool stroke that 0:20:20.573 --> 0:20:22.973 he got out to in the second innings, that should 0:20:23.013 --> 0:20:25.933 really have gone much squarer and he'd have been fine, 0:20:25.973 --> 0:20:29.173 but he picked out in the on. So I feel 0:20:29.253 --> 0:20:33.333 sorry for Devon Conway. He might have to go back 0:20:33.333 --> 0:20:35.413 and play a few little first class. 0:20:35.093 --> 0:20:37.773