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Speaker 2: Take another's it is out, the test is over.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't smoke.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that was a beauty.

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Speaker 2: It is out and here he goes.

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Speaker 3: This delivery has in years as.

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Speaker 4: The goal.

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Speaker 1: On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody

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Speaker 2: Hello, we're on the front foot once again, although I

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Speaker 2: feel that they were on the back foot the way

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Speaker 2: that this match when ed he with a chance still

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Speaker 2: alive to make the World TIS Championship Final.

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Speaker 3: The black Caps have.

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Speaker 2: Dropped the ball literally in a test they could have won.

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Speaker 2: You can't drop the next Bradman as Brook has been

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Speaker 2: to him, drop him five times and expect to win

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Speaker 2: and not expect him to score big. Jeremy Canney. I

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Speaker 2: was watching cricket at one of your favorite grounds this morning,

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Speaker 2: Sabina Park, Jamaica, and the wist Lindy's had serious case

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Speaker 4: Really I didn't know that what was this, what was

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Speaker 4: the what was the game? There was?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: I got a Test match at Sabia Park in Jamaica.

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Speaker 2: They haven't played a Test match there for three years.

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Speaker 2: But the Test match started late because the ground was wet.

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Speaker 2: You remember that, I remember, yeah, yeah, And so they

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Speaker 2: had sitting number of overs. But Kimar Oach got a

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Speaker 2: did you Rose really?

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Speaker 4: No? I didn't know. That's quite a long time.

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Speaker 2: For bowl that's incredible, yeah, but never mind, back to

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Speaker 2: the Test match. That's a real disappointment. We could have

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Speaker 2: won that game.

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Speaker 4: Well, we had chances, didn't we a lot of them.

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Speaker 5: We got stuck in for a start on a matted,

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Speaker 5: But yeah, so it was a tennis ball bounce, but

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Speaker 5: we did get to three for two hundred about by

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Speaker 5: There was our chance done day one to really forge

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Speaker 5: but we did. Of course, we lost five wickets in

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Speaker 4: For one hundred and twenty. Yeah, so they weren't. It

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Speaker 4: was a shame that we didn't.

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Speaker 5: We lost that first opportunity, and then you said to yourself,

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Speaker 5: No we won't, because that's exactly when the catching crisis

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Speaker 2: I take some of the points made thereby Tom Nathan,

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Speaker 2: It is an area that needs work when you drop

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Speaker 4: Well, you've watched a lot of cricket, Brian. You've seen

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Speaker 5: But that was about it. We didn't see them. They

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Speaker 4: But you don't see the fielding that we used to see.

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Speaker 5: And to say that that didn't cost us the match

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Speaker 5: Basically Harry Brooke got one hundred and seventy one for six.

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Speaker 4: Well Brook was dropped on, Yeah, was dropped on eleven.

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Speaker 3: He didn have been one hundred for five.

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Speaker 4: Stokes came in and they moved it around Brook. You

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Speaker 4: been a very different men. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But what it does for me, sadly is we

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Speaker 4: That's correct, It was absolutely correct.

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Speaker 5: Both were the highlights of the bowlers. To me, we

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Speaker 5: that's into ninety miles an hour. And Smith was he

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Speaker 2: Is Tom Blundell the number six batsman or should Phillips

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Speaker 5: top batsman, didn't he He came out, Wokes was dismissed

437
00:22:38,333 --> 00:22:43,573
Speaker 5: quite quickly, wasn't hem? And we thought, right here we go.

438
00:22:43,613 --> 00:22:46,333
Speaker 5: We're away here now, you know, we've got a couple

439
00:22:46,373 --> 00:22:50,453
Speaker 5: in a row. And boy did Atkinson finish that idea

440
00:22:50,573 --> 00:22:53,573
Speaker 5: of you know, he got off the back. They dropped

441
00:22:53,573 --> 00:22:55,333
Speaker 5: a couple of short to him to test him out.

442
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:58,693
Speaker 5: Whack six, They dropped another one down, he whacked four.

443
00:22:59,333 --> 00:23:02,613
Speaker 5: You know, he really was hitting the ball very hard

444
00:23:03,173 --> 00:23:05,853
Speaker 5: and cleanly. Then they tried him on the front foot,

445
00:23:06,693 --> 00:23:10,453
Speaker 5: beautiful cover drive going through, you know, to the boundary

446
00:23:10,493 --> 00:23:14,573
Speaker 5: again he got I think forty eight runs at a

447
00:23:14,613 --> 00:23:18,133
Speaker 5: real good clip of about thirty four balls. And then

448
00:23:18,173 --> 00:23:22,893
Speaker 5: when he was dismissed out came Cass at number of

449
00:23:23,053 --> 00:23:25,973
Speaker 5: ten I think, and he was thirty three not out

450
00:23:26,173 --> 00:23:30,333
Speaker 5: of twenty four balls. They just really put the hammer

451
00:23:30,373 --> 00:23:34,733
Speaker 5: down and added about sixty or seventy runs very quickly

452
00:23:34,773 --> 00:23:37,093
Speaker 5: against our better bowlers when we thought we could finish

453
00:23:37,133 --> 00:23:37,533
Speaker 5: them off.

454
00:23:37,853 --> 00:23:41,613
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right about those two. Steve Harmerson said Wads

455
00:23:41,613 --> 00:23:44,413
Speaker 4: that you'll never see a better number ten batting for

456
00:23:44,493 --> 00:23:47,653
Speaker 4: England than Brandon Cass and on the strength of what

457
00:23:47,813 --> 00:23:50,533
Speaker 4: we saw I had to agree with him. As Jerry said,

458
00:23:50,893 --> 00:23:54,173
Speaker 4: They've got, you know, their proper batsmen. They really good footwork,

459
00:23:54,453 --> 00:23:57,213
Speaker 4: extending back in the crease off the back foot, good

460
00:23:57,253 --> 00:24:00,693
Speaker 4: extension when they come forward, and they can hook.

461
00:24:00,533 --> 00:24:02,693
Speaker 1: And pull on the front foot.

462
00:24:02,773 --> 00:24:03,693
Speaker 3: And here he goes.

463
00:24:05,093 --> 00:24:05,733
Speaker 1: The bouncer.

464
00:24:06,773 --> 00:24:10,173
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bowl my traditional bouncer, good said it before.

465
00:24:10,493 --> 00:24:12,333
Speaker 4: I've got a few paces run.

466
00:24:12,853 --> 00:24:15,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's coming off sixteen yards Because there were

467
00:24:15,893 --> 00:24:18,293
Speaker 2: thirty no balls and that was far too many for

468
00:24:18,293 --> 00:24:22,613
Speaker 2: a Test match overrates. Get on my wik what is

469
00:24:22,653 --> 00:24:25,933
Speaker 2: match referee David Boone? Therefore, is he going to coach

470
00:24:25,973 --> 00:24:27,933
Speaker 2: the New Zealand team how to catch in the field

471
00:24:28,213 --> 00:24:30,053
Speaker 2: or is he going to punish some of these sides

472
00:24:30,053 --> 00:24:33,653
Speaker 2: for their overrates. Day one eighty three overs and it

473
00:24:33,733 --> 00:24:37,333
Speaker 2: had included an extra half hour, Day two eighty two

474
00:24:37,373 --> 00:24:41,933
Speaker 2: overs included an extra half hour. Day three seventy eight overs.

475
00:24:41,973 --> 00:24:43,853
Speaker 2: There was a change of it each year and that

476
00:24:44,053 --> 00:24:46,533
Speaker 2: is into an extra half hour, So that means there

477
00:24:46,533 --> 00:24:50,173
Speaker 2: were about seventy on Day one, seventy seventy six, seventy seven,

478
00:24:50,533 --> 00:24:54,933
Speaker 2: Day two seventy eight and seventy three and day three.

479
00:24:55,213 --> 00:24:56,693
Speaker 3: When are they going to do something about it?

480
00:24:56,733 --> 00:24:59,373
Speaker 2: They talk about it a lot, but nothing ever happens

481
00:25:00,293 --> 00:25:01,653
Speaker 2: bang day for six.

482
00:25:03,133 --> 00:25:06,453
Speaker 5: That's certainly yeah, you're absolutely right, Watts. You've made the

483
00:25:06,453 --> 00:25:09,693
Speaker 5: batsman duck of he's dropped his onto the stunts. Mate, well,

484
00:25:09,773 --> 00:25:14,133
Speaker 5: good bouncer. Overrates, to be honest in this match were

485
00:25:14,173 --> 00:25:18,893
Speaker 5: just downright contemptuous of those paying customers who came in

486
00:25:18,933 --> 00:25:23,253
Speaker 5: and sat on the bank and watched all day. And

487
00:25:23,733 --> 00:25:27,573
Speaker 5: I just thought eleven point three per over by England

488
00:25:27,893 --> 00:25:29,853
Speaker 5: New Zealand we'd a hell of a lot better either

489
00:25:30,133 --> 00:25:34,773
Speaker 5: twelve point three. So both teams were guilty and I

490
00:25:34,813 --> 00:25:38,013
Speaker 5: think it's about time. We've often talked about this one,

491
00:25:38,573 --> 00:25:42,013
Speaker 5: haven't we. And I would just add to it as

492
00:25:42,093 --> 00:25:45,253
Speaker 5: far as England are concerned, Why do you spend all

493
00:25:45,253 --> 00:25:49,173
Speaker 5: the time smashing the ball in order to earn more

494
00:25:49,253 --> 00:25:52,773
Speaker 5: time to bowl the other team out, only to bowl

495
00:25:52,773 --> 00:25:56,173
Speaker 5: eleven point three overs an hour. Tell me about that?

496
00:25:56,253 --> 00:25:59,533
Speaker 5: How does that make sense? It doesn't at all, does it.

497
00:25:59,933 --> 00:26:01,693
Speaker 5: That's just saying earn a whole lot more and then

498
00:26:01,733 --> 00:26:05,453
Speaker 5: don't even use it. So this is stupid, and I

499
00:26:05,533 --> 00:26:10,653
Speaker 5: just feel it's about time umpires started to be given

500
00:26:10,733 --> 00:26:14,053
Speaker 5: power and then they can actually what they can what

501
00:26:14,133 --> 00:26:16,813
Speaker 5: we could call make a decision. They don't make any decisions.

502
00:26:17,133 --> 00:26:21,133
Speaker 5: They make no decisions about no balls. It all comes

503
00:26:21,173 --> 00:26:24,333
Speaker 5: from the fourth unbuy and we wait and we wait,

504
00:26:24,373 --> 00:26:27,973
Speaker 5: and suddenly suddenly the last ball of the over is

505
00:26:27,973 --> 00:26:30,053
Speaker 5: a no ball, and everyone goes back and has to

506
00:26:30,253 --> 00:26:34,093
Speaker 5: get into their same positions again. So much time wasted

507
00:26:34,453 --> 00:26:37,693
Speaker 5: on those sorts of things. It's about time we forgot

508
00:26:37,733 --> 00:26:42,373
Speaker 5: about money, because that is now in England anyway, that

509
00:26:42,533 --> 00:26:46,853
Speaker 5: is an arrangement between the players union and what's called

510
00:26:46,853 --> 00:26:52,333
Speaker 5: an MoU of understanding, and now the boards pay those

511
00:26:52,493 --> 00:26:56,373
Speaker 5: fines for the players, so it's nothing to do with

512
00:26:56,453 --> 00:26:59,453
Speaker 5: the players. I think it's about time we started to

513
00:26:59,573 --> 00:27:03,613
Speaker 5: aid the choices are you either add runs to the

514
00:27:03,653 --> 00:27:07,053
Speaker 5: opposition and as long as the umpire on the field

515
00:27:07,173 --> 00:27:09,773
Speaker 5: is saying to the cap listen, you're too slow. You're

516
00:27:09,773 --> 00:27:13,493
Speaker 5: two behind, you're three behind. When you get to four behind,

517
00:27:14,253 --> 00:27:16,333
Speaker 5: five runs per over is going to go off. If

518
00:27:16,333 --> 00:27:19,133
Speaker 5: you go to seven behind, it's ten runs an over

519
00:27:19,373 --> 00:27:22,493
Speaker 5: or whatever it is. They decide there needs to be

520
00:27:22,613 --> 00:27:25,493
Speaker 5: some point of making a change in the match.

521
00:27:26,173 --> 00:27:27,853
Speaker 4: Don't like it myself. Personally.

522
00:27:28,533 --> 00:27:32,093
Speaker 5: I'd rather have fielders taken off the field for a

523
00:27:32,093 --> 00:27:35,853
Speaker 5: certain number of overs. Boy, would bowlers hate that if

524
00:27:35,893 --> 00:27:39,293
Speaker 5: you said you lose two fielders when you get you know,

525
00:27:39,733 --> 00:27:42,493
Speaker 5: five or six behind, you lose two fielders off you go.

526
00:27:42,973 --> 00:27:46,133
Speaker 5: You haven't got three slips, you've got one. You haven't

527
00:27:46,173 --> 00:27:48,733
Speaker 5: got you know three in the covers, you got one.

528
00:27:49,413 --> 00:27:51,613
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what bowlers would hurry things up? Then

529
00:27:51,693 --> 00:27:53,533
Speaker 5: I can tell you if that started to happen.

530
00:27:53,733 --> 00:27:55,533
Speaker 4: The only thing I want to add ons is that

531
00:27:56,013 --> 00:27:57,973
Speaker 4: is just to make the picture a little bit worse,

532
00:27:58,173 --> 00:28:01,093
Speaker 4: and that is that those eighty three overs that England

533
00:28:01,133 --> 00:28:04,493
Speaker 4: bowld on the first day best year and about twenty

534
00:28:04,533 --> 00:28:06,333
Speaker 4: didn't they twenty one between them? Yeah?

535
00:28:06,373 --> 00:28:10,813
Speaker 2: The spinner, yeah, and so there was plenty of overs

536
00:28:10,973 --> 00:28:13,253
Speaker 2: that were bold gars. Did you take your tape measure

537
00:28:13,293 --> 00:28:16,333
Speaker 2: out to the middle and measure the gap between the

538
00:28:16,373 --> 00:28:19,173
Speaker 2: pop increase and the return crease and all that.

539
00:28:18,853 --> 00:28:19,453
Speaker 3: Sort of stuff.

540
00:28:19,613 --> 00:28:22,893
Speaker 2: Thirty no balls And it wasn't just one bowler. They

541
00:28:22,893 --> 00:28:24,333
Speaker 2: were all having a field day.

542
00:28:25,053 --> 00:28:27,693
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I'm glad you asked, because I did, and

543
00:28:28,173 --> 00:28:33,493
Speaker 4: it was It was absolutely right and normal. It was extraordinary,

544
00:28:33,533 --> 00:28:36,213
Speaker 4: wasn't it. I mean Smith, it's interesting talking and looking

545
00:28:36,293 --> 00:28:39,893
Speaker 4: about Nathan Smith. His delivery stride for a man of

546
00:28:39,933 --> 00:28:43,813
Speaker 4: his height is extraordinary long. It's like Joel Garner or someone. Yeah,

547
00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:45,813
Speaker 4: you know, but he needs.

548
00:28:45,613 --> 00:28:47,533
Speaker 5: To shorten that once because then he'll stand a lot

549
00:28:47,613 --> 00:28:49,973
Speaker 5: higher and you'll get more bounced. He can get bounced

550
00:28:50,013 --> 00:28:51,493
Speaker 5: much closer to the batsman too.

551
00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:55,453
Speaker 4: Yeah. Cars was another, you know, a criminal that I think.

552
00:28:55,493 --> 00:28:58,893
Speaker 4: The thing about it also, Yes, frustrating. I don't know

553
00:28:58,933 --> 00:29:00,853
Speaker 4: how many of those note balls were off the last

554
00:29:00,853 --> 00:29:03,653
Speaker 4: ball of an over wod. So the fielders were moving

555
00:29:03,693 --> 00:29:06,213
Speaker 4: and getting into place for the next over. Yeah, and

556
00:29:06,293 --> 00:29:08,773
Speaker 4: the TV umpire would call them back. And you know,

557
00:29:08,813 --> 00:29:11,533
Speaker 4: this is another distraction. I mean, one of the things

558
00:29:11,533 --> 00:29:14,373
Speaker 4: that I do think is eating into into the time

559
00:29:14,453 --> 00:29:18,293
Speaker 4: during the day is the reviews by the umpires, and

560
00:29:18,333 --> 00:29:21,293
Speaker 4: so you know, I don't justify the run rates being slow.

561
00:29:21,333 --> 00:29:25,893
Speaker 4: I think they're dreadful. But the overts you mean the overrates, sorry, yeah,

562
00:29:25,893 --> 00:29:29,893
Speaker 4: the overrates. I don't justify the over rates being slow.

563
00:29:30,093 --> 00:29:35,053
Speaker 4: But we are seeing, for example, when the third umpire

564
00:29:35,373 --> 00:29:38,613
Speaker 4: was looking at a catch being taken and whether a

565
00:29:38,693 --> 00:29:41,973
Speaker 4: fieldsman had got their fingers underleath it. Tom Latham took

566
00:29:42,013 --> 00:29:46,613
Speaker 4: one at second slip. You know, everything about it told

567
00:29:46,653 --> 00:29:50,053
Speaker 4: you that he had taken the catch. We saw his

568
00:29:50,093 --> 00:29:52,533
Speaker 4: fingers getting underneath it, We saw a sight on angle

569
00:29:52,573 --> 00:29:54,773
Speaker 4: of it, and it told us the catch was taken,

570
00:29:55,213 --> 00:29:58,373
Speaker 4: and that then necessitated another three or four of just

571
00:29:58,533 --> 00:30:01,053
Speaker 4: roll it back if you've got a different angle. You know,

572
00:30:01,093 --> 00:30:04,453
Speaker 4: some of these reviews are taking five minutes and it's

573
00:30:04,573 --> 00:30:07,853
Speaker 4: killing the game, it really is. You've got to in

574
00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:11,093
Speaker 4: the same way. Umpires, if they ever have to make decisions, now.

575
00:30:11,053 --> 00:30:14,253
Speaker 5: Well, what do they make once? What decisions do they make?

576
00:30:14,293 --> 00:30:16,733
Speaker 5: They don't make nobles, they don't.

577
00:30:16,573 --> 00:30:18,733
Speaker 4: Make catchers because that's checked out. They don't give lb

578
00:30:19,213 --> 00:30:19,853
Speaker 4: or if they give it.

579
00:30:19,813 --> 00:30:24,093
Speaker 5: Out, everything backs the umpire if it just nicks the

580
00:30:24,173 --> 00:30:27,813
Speaker 5: leg side top of the ball. Yeah, that's an umpire's

581
00:30:27,853 --> 00:30:31,493
Speaker 5: call they're not making. You know, they're damn lucky they

582
00:30:31,533 --> 00:30:33,973
Speaker 5: get away with them. So that's a good decision. The

583
00:30:34,053 --> 00:30:37,093
Speaker 5: court behind none of that. That's all done by the

584
00:30:37,253 --> 00:30:39,893
Speaker 5: all by drs and all that stuff. The only time

585
00:30:39,933 --> 00:30:42,653
Speaker 5: they ever make decisions when that one team gets three

586
00:30:42,773 --> 00:30:46,093
Speaker 5: or four wrong early and they got none left.

587
00:30:47,813 --> 00:30:50,213
Speaker 2: Rod Tucker guessed a few right today, so that was

588
00:30:50,733 --> 00:30:53,253
Speaker 2: that was something I'm sure he'd be proud of. Yeah,

589
00:30:53,293 --> 00:30:57,013
Speaker 2: a lot of interesting things. So just quickly, are we

590
00:30:57,093 --> 00:31:00,133
Speaker 2: imagining changes to the New Zealand side in Wellington.

591
00:31:01,053 --> 00:31:06,013
Speaker 4: I'm fantasizing about them, not imagining. I'm fantasizing because it

592
00:31:06,093 --> 00:31:10,933
Speaker 4: won't happen. Young and I've talked about and I'm afraid

593
00:31:10,973 --> 00:31:13,453
Speaker 4: I would stand Saudi down and bringing Duffy those are

594
00:31:13,493 --> 00:31:15,013
Speaker 4: my two changes. I bring Duffy.

595
00:31:15,013 --> 00:31:17,853
Speaker 5: I was watching Duffy bowl this morning and he bowls

596
00:31:17,893 --> 00:31:21,893
Speaker 5: a damn heavy ball and I thought he'll look quite useful.

597
00:31:21,933 --> 00:31:24,173
Speaker 5: He also moves the ball away from the right handed

598
00:31:24,293 --> 00:31:27,973
Speaker 5: just a tad and that would give Tom Latham, I think,

599
00:31:28,253 --> 00:31:31,493
Speaker 5: a very good extra guy to turn to, because if

600
00:31:31,573 --> 00:31:33,493
Speaker 5: Saudi doesn't open the bowl.

601
00:31:33,213 --> 00:31:36,613
Speaker 4: And with a new ball, so he gets some swing.

602
00:31:37,893 --> 00:31:38,893
Speaker 4: When does he bowl?

603
00:31:39,693 --> 00:31:41,853
Speaker 2: Yeah he should be he should be the man that

604
00:31:41,933 --> 00:31:43,493
Speaker 2: does the hard yards, but he doesn't.

605
00:31:43,573 --> 00:31:45,773
Speaker 3: Well, there we go. Well, we'll wait to see what

606
00:31:45,813 --> 00:31:47,293
Speaker 3: they do at the base Reserve.

607
00:31:47,613 --> 00:31:48,693
Speaker 4: I don't think they will either.

608
00:31:48,853 --> 00:31:51,853
Speaker 5: Tom Lathan, we spoke to him, as Gar said, and

609
00:31:51,893 --> 00:31:53,973
Speaker 5: he looked very much to me as if he was

610
00:31:54,493 --> 00:31:58,373
Speaker 5: unconcerned about not just the catching, and about the fact

611
00:31:58,413 --> 00:32:00,213
Speaker 5: that they lost the game and there was the next

612
00:32:00,253 --> 00:32:03,053
Speaker 5: game coming up in the next couple of days. And

613
00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:05,773
Speaker 5: I was actually quite taken aback with that. I didn't

614
00:32:06,013 --> 00:32:08,613
Speaker 5: I didn't actually say anything to him because we were

615
00:32:08,613 --> 00:32:09,493
Speaker 5: heading down to now.

616
00:32:10,693 --> 00:32:14,653
Speaker 4: But that's so, that was the story with that.

617
00:32:14,773 --> 00:32:17,213
Speaker 5: But yeah, I can see them going once again once

618
00:32:17,253 --> 00:32:18,893
Speaker 5: with exactly the same side.

619
00:32:19,093 --> 00:32:21,293
Speaker 4: I think one of the strengths of this New Zealand

620
00:32:21,293 --> 00:32:23,693
Speaker 4: group over a long period of time has been their

621
00:32:24,173 --> 00:32:27,773
Speaker 4: consistent selections onds and their loyalty to players. I also

622
00:32:27,813 --> 00:32:29,253
Speaker 4: think it's been one of their weaknesses.

623
00:32:30,173 --> 00:32:32,533
Speaker 2: Oh well, we'll wait and see for the second tests

624
00:32:32,573 --> 00:32:36,693
Speaker 2: being played at the Base Reserve starting on Friday.

625
00:32:37,253 --> 00:32:39,733
Speaker 1: On the front foot with Waddle and Cody.

626
00:32:40,493 --> 00:32:42,813
Speaker 2: I've got an email from Andrew and it's been a

627
00:32:42,893 --> 00:32:47,133
Speaker 2: quick reaction from you guys. Hopefully or not hopefully this

628
00:32:47,253 --> 00:32:50,813
Speaker 2: email ages well since I'm only emailing you after the

629
00:32:50,853 --> 00:32:52,733
Speaker 2: first day of the Test. But I was thinking it

630
00:32:52,733 --> 00:32:55,973
Speaker 2: it's just me? Or do opposition spinners seem to go

631
00:32:56,013 --> 00:32:58,173
Speaker 2: pretty well in New Zealand? I did a quick check

632
00:32:58,173 --> 00:33:00,613
Speaker 2: and there are some figures over the last couple of years.

633
00:33:00,893 --> 00:33:03,173
Speaker 2: A brand last year six f one hundred and nineteen

634
00:33:03,213 --> 00:33:06,893
Speaker 2: and two for fifty two, Nathan Lyon four six and

635
00:33:07,013 --> 00:33:10,253
Speaker 2: three day peat, five for eighty nine and three for

636
00:33:10,333 --> 00:33:12,933
Speaker 2: ninety three in Leitch five for one hundred and fifty

637
00:33:12,933 --> 00:33:15,333
Speaker 2: seven and three for eighty and he says, as I write,

638
00:33:15,413 --> 00:33:20,093
Speaker 2: Bashir has four wickets and he sees do we just

639
00:33:20,213 --> 00:33:22,333
Speaker 2: not respect the art of spin bowling as much in

640
00:33:22,413 --> 00:33:25,733
Speaker 2: New Zealand and Test cricket in particular. Though we played

641
00:33:25,733 --> 00:33:29,093
Speaker 2: well against spin in India, why are opposition spinners doing

642
00:33:29,133 --> 00:33:31,453
Speaker 2: well against us at home? And we've talked about this

643
00:33:31,533 --> 00:33:33,533
Speaker 2: in the past, But it's a slightly different tech here,

644
00:33:33,653 --> 00:33:34,013
Speaker 2: isn't it.

645
00:33:34,293 --> 00:33:35,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.

646
00:33:35,413 --> 00:33:37,653
Speaker 5: I think Darsville is quite strongly about that. He's been

647
00:33:37,693 --> 00:33:41,093
Speaker 5: waiting to answer this. Look, he says, poised poised here

648
00:33:41,173 --> 00:33:43,453
Speaker 5: with it quite and I'm waiting to.

649
00:33:43,373 --> 00:33:45,333
Speaker 4: Hear what he's got to say. No, no, well, I

650
00:33:45,333 --> 00:33:48,293
Speaker 4: think conye and know I do feel strongly about it. Yeah,

651
00:33:48,373 --> 00:33:51,253
Speaker 4: you know it's not I think Andrew raises a very

652
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Speaker 4: good point. Opposition spinners do do well in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's quite possible. I also remember, in addition

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Speaker 4: to those ones, Maharaz took a five wicket meg at

655
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Speaker 4: the Basin for South Africa. You know, New Zealand has

656
00:34:05,373 --> 00:34:08,453
Speaker 4: not treated spin bowl as well. And it reminds me

657
00:34:08,493 --> 00:34:11,253
Speaker 4: a little bit of going back into the Frank Cameron

658
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Speaker 4: erarors where he loved his seeing bowlers and spinners were

659
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Speaker 4: you know, I mean you had Kensey was our spinner?

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Speaker 4: Yeah he was, he was, Yeah he was, And you

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Speaker 4: had I mean Bockie got some Test cricket and obviously

662
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Speaker 4: braces and very successful against the Australians in eighty five

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Speaker 4: eighty six. But I think we simply have not had

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Speaker 4: the courage. If you look at McCullum going to England

665
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Speaker 4: and saying he plays leech in every game and now

666
00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:41,013
Speaker 4: he prefers Basher and he's taken Basher out of county

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Speaker 4: cricket with a very moderate record, and he's playing him

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Speaker 4: at the Hagley Oval. New Zealand's best spinner at the

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Speaker 4: Hagley Oval is Cain Williamson, who's taken two wickets. So

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Speaker 4: that tells you a lot about how we play the game.

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00:34:53,213 --> 00:34:56,853
Speaker 4: Was Patel took fourteen wickets in Mumbai and took the

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00:34:56,933 --> 00:35:00,733
Speaker 4: end of twenty twenty one and Jeremy Coney and I

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Speaker 4: commentating and through the middle of the night confidently predicted

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Speaker 4: that he would not play in a home series against

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Speaker 4: Bangladesh or so Africa, and sadly we were right. And

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Speaker 4: then he went to England at BOLB two Lords and

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00:35:13,373 --> 00:35:15,613
Speaker 4: that was it. He got smashed, of course, and then

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Speaker 4: not used again. So so the answer to to Andrew's

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00:35:19,293 --> 00:35:23,213
Speaker 4: question is we did not treat spinners with respect. We

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00:35:23,253 --> 00:35:25,053
Speaker 4: don't develop them in the right way, and we don't

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00:35:25,093 --> 00:35:27,373
Speaker 4: create the right conditions for them, nor do we We

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00:35:27,413 --> 00:35:29,973
Speaker 4: don't provide pictures for them either. Words do we you

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00:35:30,053 --> 00:35:32,613
Speaker 4: think of a picture that changes in museum? It started

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Speaker 4: to one.

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Speaker 5: Of those you gave some Hamilton lyon there and that

686
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Speaker 5: was the basin reserve if you remember against Australia recently

687
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Speaker 5: and that's where.

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Speaker 3: Philip got Philip did he did?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't I don't think that was late

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Speaker 5: February if I remember. And I've got to say, I

691
00:35:49,613 --> 00:35:52,613
Speaker 5: don't think it'll happen this time. You've seen the match

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00:35:52,773 --> 00:35:55,053
Speaker 5: so far, is it that? Have they played two at

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Speaker 5: the basin?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:35:58,213 --> 00:36:01,413
Speaker 2: Good seamers right, yeah, And that's the way the basin is.

696
00:36:01,693 --> 00:36:04,173
Speaker 2: So it'll be interesting to see what fronts up for

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Speaker 2: that second test.

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Speaker 4: Good email from Andrew. Thanks thanks for that.

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00:36:08,733 --> 00:36:12,173
Speaker 2: Yep, And that's on the front foot twenty at gmail

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Speaker 2: dot com.

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Speaker 3: If you want to.

702
00:36:13,653 --> 00:36:16,293
Speaker 2: Add something, how did your seventy eight reunion go?

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00:36:16,733 --> 00:36:18,853
Speaker 3: Jerry did? Did? Rock and look after you?

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00:36:19,693 --> 00:36:21,933
Speaker 5: Rockett was there and he was very good. He was

705
00:36:21,973 --> 00:36:23,813
Speaker 5: there the entire match today.

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00:36:23,853 --> 00:36:24,973
Speaker 3: You got to look after you.

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00:36:25,653 --> 00:36:27,253
Speaker 4: He got it, Yeah, he got it.

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00:36:27,293 --> 00:36:32,813
Speaker 5: He got a golf buggy today and he went out

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00:36:32,893 --> 00:36:36,173
Speaker 5: round the round the crowd, up the little benks and

710
00:36:36,253 --> 00:36:36,773
Speaker 5: things like that.

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00:36:36,813 --> 00:36:39,413
Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't see him because I could.

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00:36:39,213 --> 00:36:43,733
Speaker 5: Just imagine legs flying everywhere and sort of arms going

713
00:36:43,773 --> 00:36:45,853
Speaker 5: back and him appealing at the time as he went

714
00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:47,213
Speaker 5: down underneath the cart.

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Speaker 4: Fantastic like a people visit.

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00:36:49,693 --> 00:36:55,053
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly waving and kissing, kissing the grass as

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00:36:55,093 --> 00:36:55,693
Speaker 5: he arrived.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, from his cart. Yeah, I saw the hadleys.

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Speaker 5: Dale was there, and of course Richard, and of course

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Speaker 5: Wally was there. Saw hier w Wall looked as he

721
00:37:10,173 --> 00:37:12,853
Speaker 5: had gotten the sun a bit early. He was quite

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00:37:13,093 --> 00:37:14,453
Speaker 5: quite red in the face.

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Speaker 4: Jumbo Anderson on crutches and using them as a tool

724
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Speaker 4: to fend people away. Yeah, isn't usually hitting you in

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00:37:21,413 --> 00:37:25,413
Speaker 4: the groin area. Thanks, Jumbo. That's really good. Yeah, we

726
00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:28,253
Speaker 4: saw writing as well. Isn't good for him. He's back

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Speaker 4: from doing his scouting over an Indian so he's gone.

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Speaker 3: That's good.

729
00:37:32,293 --> 00:37:35,613
Speaker 2: And Andrew, Andrew Orison caught up with Stephen Bock there

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Speaker 2: and got a couple of good stories out of him.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's hard for me to remember this, but the

732
00:37:42,573 --> 00:37:49,773
Speaker 7: crowd was loud and the siren was going every time

733
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Speaker 7: a wicket fell, and the crowd was very close in

734
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Speaker 7: those days, right into the boundary. The boundary was the

735
00:38:01,253 --> 00:38:07,053
Speaker 7: fence rather than a rope inside the pitch with the

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Speaker 7: other way or south, And there was a terrible southerly

737
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Speaker 7: blowing that the two Richards bowled with it and the

738
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Speaker 7: rest of us bowled into it. Although I didn't have

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Speaker 7: to do very much in that regard. I had my

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00:38:26,493 --> 00:38:29,453
Speaker 7: first bowl in the first innings, I got my first

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Speaker 7: Test wicket. Wasn't a very memorable ball, but I got

742
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Speaker 7: out Jeff Miller, so I had a wicket. Second innings,

743
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Speaker 7: I didn't bowl at all. I was fielding it shortly

744
00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:49,813
Speaker 7: egg and I know that the runout was quite critical

745
00:38:50,573 --> 00:38:55,973
Speaker 7: because Old and Taylor had potential to take the score through.

746
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Speaker 7: And it was one of those situations where normally it

747
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Speaker 7: would happen in a farm yard game with nobody watching

748
00:39:06,253 --> 00:39:10,613
Speaker 7: but two dogs. For me, it happened in the middle

749
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Speaker 7: of the base in reserve and a critical encounter, and

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00:39:14,933 --> 00:39:19,613
Speaker 7: Chris Holden was backing away from Richard Hadley, and I

751
00:39:19,693 --> 00:39:23,653
Speaker 7: knew he would try and get away into the non

752
00:39:23,733 --> 00:39:29,973
Speaker 7: striker's end and had he was bowling short, so it

753
00:39:30,093 --> 00:39:32,173
Speaker 7: was odds on he was going to get it off

754
00:39:32,253 --> 00:39:36,333
Speaker 7: his ribs and it was going to fly around where

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Speaker 7: I was somewhere, so I was ready to take off.

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Speaker 4: And I suppose if he had.

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00:39:43,893 --> 00:39:47,653
Speaker 7: Loved up a little catch, I might look quite silly,

758
00:39:46,933 --> 00:39:52,413
Speaker 7: but he didn't, and what I anticipated happened.

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Speaker 4: And Princess the final thoughts A find a couple of thoughts.

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Speaker 8: Jeffrey Walcott, Sir Jeffrey Bycott these days is here, I think.

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Speaker 8: But he came out of the dressing room after where

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Speaker 8: he been skinnled by Richard Collins and in the second things,

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Speaker 8: and that really set things a bit of a catalyst.

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Speaker 2: What was it like when he came because he was

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Speaker 2: Captain England on.

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Speaker 7: The he was captain and it was very gracious of him.

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Speaker 7: He came right around their dressing room and thanked this

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Speaker 7: all and congratulated us all.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, you were asking me about my.

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Speaker 7: Comment to him, I could possibly ask Jeff got hit

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00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:43,093
Speaker 7: in the eye at practice or fell off his back

772
00:40:43,173 --> 00:40:46,053
Speaker 7: and got him on the brow, and so he had

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Speaker 7: a bit of a black eye. And in those days

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Speaker 7: I wasn't as mature as I am now. And when

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Speaker 7: Jeff congratulated me, I thanked him very much. And then

776
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Speaker 7: I asked if he realized that his Misscara was running.

777
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Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, I look back on things like Matt

778
00:41:11,973 --> 00:41:14,093
Speaker 7: and think shaky cheek you.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Bock there with a memory from the nineteen seventy

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Speaker 2: eight Test at the Base Reserve, the reunion held through

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Speaker 2: the Test match at Hagley Oval.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us again.

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Speaker 2: Guys, it's been a lot of fun plenty to talk

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00:41:28,173 --> 00:41:31,533
Speaker 2: about in cricket. We'll look forward to seeing you at

785
00:41:31,813 --> 00:41:35,373
Speaker 2: the Basin Reserve and I hope you can just put

786
00:41:35,413 --> 00:41:39,093
Speaker 2: your feet up, have a good rest and enjoy the

787
00:41:39,173 --> 00:41:41,453
Speaker 2: break before you get here on Friday.

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00:41:42,213 --> 00:41:45,573
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Ondce. Look forward to seeing you man, it's been

789
00:41:45,573 --> 00:41:49,053
Speaker 5: a while. Rather than just on the zoom zoom calls,

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Speaker 5: I've got to say, well done. Well, I'll see you

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00:41:51,733 --> 00:41:53,213
Speaker 5: on the Friday, and you're going to the lunch.

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00:41:54,773 --> 00:41:57,373
Speaker 3: I'm going to the lunch, see you up there once.

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Speaker 4: Look forward to it, buddy. There's a reunion of the

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00:42:00,613 --> 00:42:03,813
Speaker 4: ninety nine New Zealand side and apparently Ken's is coming.

795
00:42:04,093 --> 00:42:05,853
Speaker 3: We'll try catch up with them and have a bit

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00:42:05,893 --> 00:42:08,533
Speaker 3: of a chapter book or two. Seeing you at make

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Speaker 3: Sure Reserve.

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Speaker 4: Can I, we'll catch you on the essence can I.

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Speaker 4: We'll give on the summoning.

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