WEBVTT - All Blacks defeats, Netball NZ turmoil, Liam Lawson: The year in sport

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<v Speaker 1>Cielda.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a

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<v Speaker 2>daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. From sideline

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<v Speaker 2>squabbles to damning defeats, twenty twenty six will need to

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<v Speaker 2>be a year of refresh when it comes to Kiwi sports.

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<v Speaker 3>The All Blacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Season has been shaky to say the least, and headlines

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<v Speaker 2>have been dominated with netble New Zealand's off court chaos,

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<v Speaker 2>but there have been some major wins on the world

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<v Speaker 2>stage for some of our best athletes. Liam Lawson has

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<v Speaker 2>become a household name and Ryan Fox has seen some

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<v Speaker 2>career bests this year. So to wrap it all up

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<v Speaker 2>today on the front Page, we have the New Zealand

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<v Speaker 2>Heralds Christopher Reeve and Nathan Limb to take us through

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<v Speaker 2>some of twenty twenty five's highs and lows. So first off, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get this out of the way, because I know

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<v Speaker 2>how much it pains people to talk about it, the

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<v Speaker 2>All Blacks, Right, Nathan.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm looking at you. I'm looking at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, people love to talk about it, but when they lose,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's been a few big losses this year, hey

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<v Speaker 2>tell me about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so three big losses I suppose have lowlighted the

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<v Speaker 5>All Blacks year.

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<v Speaker 4>We're used to this sort of relentless standard of dominance.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I suppose the nature of those losses is

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<v Speaker 5>more the issue rather than the losses themselves. So they

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<v Speaker 5>had losses to Argentina, South Africa and England, and that

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<v Speaker 5>South Africa one in particular in Wellington where they were

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<v Speaker 5>handed their biggest.

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<v Speaker 4>Test defeat in history.

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<v Speaker 5>Really started the alarm bells ringing, and it put a

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<v Speaker 5>heap of pressure on Scott raisor Robertson the coach and

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<v Speaker 5>Scott Barrett the captain. People questioning the direction of the team.

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<v Speaker 5>There are a few issues that I guess have played

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<v Speaker 5>the All Blacks this year. Discipline, the yellow cards and

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<v Speaker 5>have continued in irregular feature. They work under the high ball,

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<v Speaker 5>their line out and their defense on the edges, and

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<v Speaker 5>to their credit, the lineout seems to have sort of

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<v Speaker 5>itself out through the Northern tour that definitely improved. They

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<v Speaker 5>had a few new players, Josh Lord came in and

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<v Speaker 5>seemed to really make an impact. But I suppose there's

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<v Speaker 5>still a few question marks over the All Blacks and

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<v Speaker 5>now they're progressing in those other areas with the World

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<v Speaker 5>Cup a couple of years away.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris, have other teams just gotten better? Have we just

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<v Speaker 3>been used to the All Blacks being.

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<v Speaker 2>The best in the world for like the past few

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<v Speaker 2>decades and other teams have just caught up.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think there's a little bit of that. My

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<v Speaker 6>thing with rugby has always been there's essentially been ten

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<v Speaker 6>countries in the world who take rugby seriously, and as

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<v Speaker 6>more start to take it seriously, you know, they're starting

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<v Speaker 6>to catch up, starting to get to the All Blacks level.

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<v Speaker 6>I was looking at this the other day because the

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<v Speaker 6>All Blacks can meet current world number one South Africa

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<v Speaker 6>and the quarterfinals of the World Cup, and they met

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<v Speaker 6>then world number one Ireland, and the last World Cup

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<v Speaker 6>before that, it was just all Blacks, world number one,

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<v Speaker 6>All Blacks, world umber, all Blacks, world number one. So

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<v Speaker 6>now all these teams are starting to get to the

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<v Speaker 6>All Blacks level, starting to I guess bring that level back,

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<v Speaker 6>and All blackson else starting to be in that position

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<v Speaker 6>where it's like, well, now we've got to match it

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<v Speaker 6>with the other teams.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It is always fun, isn't it when your team is

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<v Speaker 2>the best team in the world. But I mean there's

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<v Speaker 2>some few nail biting games, Nathan.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the course of this year.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the main criticism actually I've seen is about

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<v Speaker 2>the team's identity. They've got an identity issue. And does

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<v Speaker 2>that just mean basically, when you think of a team

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't immediately think of maybe three describing words

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<v Speaker 2>to describe them with, would you be at a loss

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<v Speaker 2>to describe this team in three words?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>And I suppose in a really positive way of you're

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<v Speaker 5>wanting to look at the team's characteristics in their biggest strengths.

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<v Speaker 5>It is hard because it has been muddled and the

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<v Speaker 5>performances have been so up and down this year. I

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<v Speaker 5>think one of the concerning areas is around the All

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<v Speaker 5>Blacks attack because for so many years they've been dynamic,

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<v Speaker 5>they've been so accurate. The simple catch and pass has

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<v Speaker 5>been the All Blacks identity. And I suppose there's a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of confusion as to the direction of how

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<v Speaker 5>this team wants to play the game because those elegant

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<v Speaker 5>sort of back line moves that were so used to seeing,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, throughout the twenty twenty tens, they're not there.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't seem to be part of the All Blacks game,

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<v Speaker 5>they shift the board of the left wing to the

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<v Speaker 5>right wing. Obviously, with the change in rules, our teams

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<v Speaker 5>are kicking a lot more and we're putting up those

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<v Speaker 5>those bombs and sometimes we're contesting them. But other countries

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<v Speaker 5>seem to be doing it a hell of a lot

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<v Speaker 5>better than us. So what is the All Blacks biggest strength?

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<v Speaker 5>I think is the question that a few people are

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<v Speaker 5>struggling to answer.

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<v Speaker 4>At this point.

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<v Speaker 3>And what about the leadership they're sticking around next year?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, yeah, the coaches will still be in charged,

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<v Speaker 5>so I Scott back from what we've seen, will still

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<v Speaker 5>be Then he's admitted, you know that it probably wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>the best year and there are things he would like

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<v Speaker 5>to improve on. So look, this coaching team, I suppose

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<v Speaker 5>has been in charge for a couple of years now,

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<v Speaker 5>and we would have probably liked to have seen more

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of that direction at this point. But they've

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<v Speaker 5>still got another year and a half until a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of years until the next World Cup, so there is

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<v Speaker 5>time to find some brother.

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<v Speaker 7>It was a very good race, I know for starting

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<v Speaker 7>third and finishing FIRSD might not sound like the best result,

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<v Speaker 7>but given the carries, and given the drivers that are

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<v Speaker 7>behind him, and given the way he just drove full stop,

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<v Speaker 7>I say that was an incredible performance the other night.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's move on to arguably one of the most talked

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<v Speaker 2>about Ken we athletes this year. Who do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to say my guess is Liam Lawson?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, exactly, Yeah, because it's been everywhere right Like I,

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<v Speaker 8>as someone who doesn't watch sports religiously or really knew

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<v Speaker 8>anything other than what's on Netflix about F one, this

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<v Speaker 8>year seems to be Liam Lawson's big year.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think?

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<v Speaker 6>Formula one is a very hard stage to crack litt

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<v Speaker 6>alone succeed and there's so many politics that go on

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<v Speaker 6>and just getting into the position that Liam Lawson is in.

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<v Speaker 6>And for Liam in particular, he started the ye arguably

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<v Speaker 6>the best team in Formula one at red Bull, they

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<v Speaker 6>only gave him two races before they said, actually, where

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<v Speaker 6>we're going to put you back to the junior team.

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<v Speaker 6>So just everything that has happened for Liam Lawson this

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<v Speaker 6>year has sort of just made for quite a compelling story.

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<v Speaker 6>And from that point it's been is he going to

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<v Speaker 6>have a seat for this for next year? And that

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<v Speaker 6>dragged on the entire season. They gave it until I

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<v Speaker 6>think the week before the final race of the season

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<v Speaker 6>to make that decision. So yeah, it's just been a

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<v Speaker 6>very very interesting and I guess fun for a reporter's

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<v Speaker 6>point of view story to follow, and people have really

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<v Speaker 6>really grabbed onto it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it a bit too early? Do you reckon to

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<v Speaker 3>have him sitting next to you? Max Vashtappen, Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a good question.

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<v Speaker 6>I think he was ready. I just don't know if

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<v Speaker 6>they gave him enough time to get used to that car.

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<v Speaker 6>That's my personal opinion. I think Liam Lawson's very good

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<v Speaker 6>at what he does and I think they just need

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<v Speaker 6>to show a little bit more patience on him.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So looking forward to seeing him next year.

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<v Speaker 4>Nathan, Yeah, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean twenty twenty five has been some big highs

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<v Speaker 5>and some big lows, and that would have been incredibly

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<v Speaker 5>difficult for Lawson to manage the spotlight for those two

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<v Speaker 5>races and then to be dropped. I mean, what's that

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<v Speaker 5>going to do to your confidence? You're a young man,

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<v Speaker 5>you're on the world stage, You've got so much pressure

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<v Speaker 5>and through the rest of the year. The best thing

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<v Speaker 5>has just been he's had a consistent seat and he

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<v Speaker 5>hasn't had to worry about that. He can just focus

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<v Speaker 5>on performance and to know that he is going to

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<v Speaker 5>get that again next year. He's going to head into

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty six with a much wiser sort of head

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<v Speaker 5>on his shoulders, more experienced, and he'll feel a bit

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<v Speaker 5>more comfortable and a bit more like he belongs because

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<v Speaker 5>he's actually had that backing of his team this time,

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<v Speaker 5>whereas he didn't have that at the start.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the year.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think they've showed the probably should have stuck

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<v Speaker 5>with him a bit longer because they've obviously dropped the

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<v Speaker 5>guy who they.

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<v Speaker 4>Replaced him with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's quite funny to see Kiwi's on the big

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<v Speaker 2>stage as well. Do you feel like Kiwi's put our

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<v Speaker 2>athletes and stuff who are who get a name and

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<v Speaker 2>are you welld known on a bit of a pedestal

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<v Speaker 2>because we've got the tall poppy syndrome obviously, But as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as Liam Lawson gets into the F one and

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<v Speaker 2>does all these amazing things at the start of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like the pressure that must have mounted on

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<v Speaker 2>him from you know, everyone talking about it, everyone having

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<v Speaker 2>his back, and then everyone talking about it when he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do so well as well.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's been surprising throughout this year just how many

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<v Speaker 6>people have seid Liam Lawson's not good enough. Liam Lawson

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't belong in Formula one, just sort of based on

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<v Speaker 6>him not being on the podium every week. Formula one

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<v Speaker 6>is a very very very hard sport to succeed in.

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<v Speaker 6>There's really only two or three teams that can consistently

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<v Speaker 6>put you on the podium. The rest of them are

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<v Speaker 6>fighting for those middle positions and that's the team Liam

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<v Speaker 6>Lawson has found himself in. Just being able to compete

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<v Speaker 6>for top ten sort of week to week or Grand

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<v Speaker 6>Prix to Grand Prix is quite a high achievement. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>it's a strange one. I feel Aliam Lawson's succeeded with

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<v Speaker 6>what he's been given. But yeah, you might get a

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<v Speaker 6>different answer if you are someone else.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a bit of a catch twenty two when you're

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<v Speaker 5>talking about the tall poppy syndrome because another, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we're talking about identity before another part of New Zealand's

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<v Speaker 5>identity in the way we view sports, we punch above

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<v Speaker 5>our weight, So in that regard it kind of is

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<v Speaker 5>in conflict with the whole tall poppy syndrome. But I

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<v Speaker 5>think for the most part New Zealanders have been very

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<v Speaker 5>supportive of Liam Lawson. Would be great to see that

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<v Speaker 5>continue into twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>The only purpose of elite sport, if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>is victory. It exists for no other reason than to

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<v Speaker 1>let a chosen for you express themselves in a way

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<v Speaker 1>where they went and others can piggyback on that by

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<v Speaker 1>way of television licensing, or ticket sales or just being fans.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless Nolan Tarua has had a personality transformation and they're

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<v Speaker 1>all wandering around Netball New Zealand at the moment going jeez,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what happened to old Knowles, Man that Knowles,

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<v Speaker 1>that Knowles has changed, which I suspect has not happened

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Then what we are left with is the

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<v Speaker 1>inescapable conclusion that Tarua is the victim of soft management

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<v Speaker 1>in a world where every cry baby needs to be heard.

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<v Speaker 2>Something else that everyone was talking about this year was

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<v Speaker 2>the Netbull and not what was happening on the court,

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<v Speaker 2>but what was happening behind the scenes. You did a

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<v Speaker 2>lot on this Nathan this year in terms of Netbulle

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<v Speaker 2>New Zealand standing down longtime Silver Fern's coach Dame Nolane Tolua.

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<v Speaker 3>Nathan, tell me about it? Do we even know what happened? Now?

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<v Speaker 4>Sort of? So I heard an.

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<v Speaker 2>Interview that she did about it, and I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>left that interview feeling like she didn't even know what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, so what happened? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>So she was stood down days out from the Tiny

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<v Speaker 5>Jamison series sort of sensationally and through everything sort of

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<v Speaker 5>it was like chaos for a couple of months because

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<v Speaker 5>no one seemed to know what was going on, and

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<v Speaker 5>there was not really any communication from Netball New Zealand

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<v Speaker 5>to the public or otherwise about why total had been

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<v Speaker 5>stood down under the cloud of it's an employment matter,

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<v Speaker 5>everything has to be private. But the problem was that

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<v Speaker 5>silence extended for months and because of that, the New

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<v Speaker 5>Zealand public, who have an understandable loyalty to their coach

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<v Speaker 5>at Totaler, wanted to find someone to hold accountable for this,

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<v Speaker 5>and because she was stood down apparently due to player complaints,

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<v Speaker 5>that turned to trying to hold the Silver Ferns players

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<v Speaker 5>accountable for it without actually knowing who complained or what

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<v Speaker 5>the complaints were, and that led to players who weren't

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<v Speaker 5>involved at all getting dragged under the bus. And so

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<v Speaker 5>the handling of the situation by Netball New zeal And,

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<v Speaker 5>that lack of communication created an environment that was highly

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<v Speaker 5>it was sort of a bit toxic in terms of

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<v Speaker 5>the public and what the players had to deal with

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of that criticism and that scrutiny because there

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<v Speaker 5>just would seem to be no reason or no accountability

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<v Speaker 5>for why this has happened. Since then, parts of the

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<v Speaker 5>stronic report the investigation have come out, and so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>the player complaints around inconsistency of Total implementing her standards,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, potentially treating some players differently to others, and

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<v Speaker 5>then also the way the environment is compared to after

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<v Speaker 5>losses versus wins. So people can read into those complaints

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<v Speaker 5>what they will for me. I mean, looking at the report,

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<v Speaker 5>I felt it. You know, from that it was you

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<v Speaker 5>do get an idea of what the complaints were. No,

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<v Speaker 5>not the specifics of who exactly complained, but totally can

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<v Speaker 5>she was in the environment, she can read between the lines.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Suppose the key issue here is this still doesn't result

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<v Speaker 5>because total effectively was reinstated as coach.

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<v Speaker 4>But then wasn't reinstated as coach for this.

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<v Speaker 5>She'll only come back next year, and given the dates

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<v Speaker 5>and how everything works with the ains in Premiership, she's

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<v Speaker 5>only going to get the Silver Ferns back together in July,

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<v Speaker 5>a few weeks out from the Commonwealth game, So she's

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<v Speaker 5>going to go almost two years without having overseen the team.

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<v Speaker 5>All of this dramas happened in the interim and she's

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<v Speaker 5>not got much time to sort it out and we'll

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<v Speaker 5>just have to see what happens. But it's a really

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<v Speaker 5>really difficult situation.

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<v Speaker 4>For the Ferns.

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<v Speaker 5>But I also think it's worth pointing out that the

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<v Speaker 5>Ferns had a really successful year despite all of this

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<v Speaker 5>off the court. They won nine out of twelve games,

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<v Speaker 5>clean swept South Africa, clean swept Scotland, beat England away

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<v Speaker 5>from home, and drew their Constellation Cup series with Australia

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<v Speaker 5>lost an extra time. But despite all of this, they

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<v Speaker 5>performed really really well on the court and I think

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<v Speaker 5>the Ferns themselves deserve.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of credit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely so sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that July next year, twenty twenty six?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>What does she do between now and then.

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<v Speaker 5>Unclear planning, planning, you know, during the ains of premiership

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<v Speaker 5>normally she'd be going around the franchise and talking to

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<v Speaker 5>the players and giving them feedback and goal setting and

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<v Speaker 5>that sort of thing. There has you know, she's she's

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<v Speaker 5>talking to Super Netball clubs as well though, so if

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<v Speaker 5>she were to take on a role the Mavericks have

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<v Speaker 5>been you know, she's talking to them. If she were

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<v Speaker 5>to take up a role with them, that would surely

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<v Speaker 5>impact whether or not she can go around the aims

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<v Speaker 5>of premiership teams. But again there's a complete lack of

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<v Speaker 5>clarity because we haven't heard from her in weeks. We

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<v Speaker 5>haven't heard from Netball New Zealand on this, so it's

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<v Speaker 5>very still up in the air and.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, so it's still really nice continue.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, credit to the Silver Ferns. They played pretty well

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<v Speaker 6>throughout the year. Once they sort of came to terms

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<v Speaker 6>with everything that was going on, they turned things around

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<v Speaker 6>very quickly, played very well against Australia, played very well

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<v Speaker 6>when they went to the Northern tourst So like they've

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<v Speaker 6>come out of this looking quite good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Well somebody else who has had a good year

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<v Speaker 2>this year, Ryan Fox. I'm not sure if you know him,

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<v Speaker 2>he's won a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me about that Grose.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so breakout.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, for Ryan Fox, it's always been a case of

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<v Speaker 6>he's good enough. It's just a matter of putting four

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<v Speaker 6>good rounds of golf together to win a tournament on

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<v Speaker 6>the PGA Tour. And yeah, he was able to do

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<v Speaker 6>that twice within the space of a month this year,

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<v Speaker 6>which is pretty unreal. The first one at Myrtle Beach

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<v Speaker 6>was what they call opposite field event, so all the

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<v Speaker 6>best players are off playing a signature event. You've got

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<v Speaker 6>to be ranked in the top seventy players to get

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<v Speaker 6>in that. The rest of the field go to this

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<v Speaker 6>other one. So Fox was at the other one and

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<v Speaker 6>one that needed to chip in from just off the green,

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<v Speaker 6>which was a pretty unreal way to win a tournament.

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<v Speaker 6>And then two weeks later he goes to the Canadian Open,

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<v Speaker 6>where most of the best players in the world were playing.

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<v Speaker 6>Scottish Effler wasn't there, but yeah, he went out and

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<v Speaker 6>won that one in a playoff as well. So very

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<v Speaker 6>very good month for Ryan Fox, and he continued that

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<v Speaker 6>throughout the year. He finished well the top fifty. So

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<v Speaker 6>now the next year, he basically gets to take his

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<v Speaker 6>pick of what tournaments he wants to play in.

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<v Speaker 2>This is something that I wanted to ask you guys

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of sporting moments of the year. Obviously we've

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<v Speaker 2>spoken about the All Blacks, Leam Laws and Ryan Fox,

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<v Speaker 2>netwle dramas, etc. Is there something quite niche that comes

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<v Speaker 2>to mind that that really is in your top moments

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<v Speaker 2>of the year. It can be something really specific, if

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<v Speaker 2>it can be funny, or it can be outstanding achievement.

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<v Speaker 2>What have you got?

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<v Speaker 5>My one that immediately comes to mind is Lekahalasimas scoring

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<v Speaker 5>after full time for the Warriors against Newcastle Knights off

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<v Speaker 5>a kick deflection. He ran forty meters, got past six

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<v Speaker 5>defenders and stole the game right at the death and

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<v Speaker 5>I remember watching it live going absolutely nuts in my

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<v Speaker 5>living room. My landlords on the other side of the

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<v Speaker 5>wall must have been wondering what the hell was going on.

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<v Speaker 5>So that one really set the season alight for the Warriors.

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<v Speaker 5>And obviously they made the first round of the playoffs

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<v Speaker 5>and it fitted. But overall, you know, the season for

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<v Speaker 5>them has been good in terms of those younger players

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<v Speaker 5>coming to the Forum for me, that moment really typified that.

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<v Speaker 6>It's funny you mentioned that as the first one that

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<v Speaker 6>came to my mid was I remember going and watching

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<v Speaker 6>after that, going online and finding all these Newcastle kind

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<v Speaker 6>of reaction videos to it. It was just great seeing

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<v Speaker 6>another fan base deflated by a moment like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because it's that's that's what sports about, right those

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<v Speaker 2>moments where you actually jump off off the couch and

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<v Speaker 2>scream at the TV or hug each other or something

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<v Speaker 2>when when somebody kicks a goal or does something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what happens right.

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<v Speaker 4>Into two sides to those moments.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean I mentioned Ryan Fox's chipping before. We

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<v Speaker 6>had people in the office yelling and cheering at the

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<v Speaker 6>TV when that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>That is genuinely why I know about that is because

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching the whole group of people next to

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<v Speaker 2>the TV screaming at the TV.

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<v Speaker 3>I just assumed that it was Rugby or something. I

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<v Speaker 3>walk walk past its goals. Oh, thank you guys so

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<v Speaker 3>much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Jos, You're welcome.

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