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Speaker 1: Barry Soper, senior political correspondent and potential Republican in the

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Speaker 1: day got afternoon right now, we'll explain that in a second. First,

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the White House?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know it was interesting, wasn't it, Because the

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Speaker 2: French President Emmanuel mcrome goes to see Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 2: not surprisingly the talk centered on the Ukrainian War. Trump

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Speaker 2: did voice his open as though, I've got to say

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Speaker 2: to a European peacekeeping force in the Ukraine, and New

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Speaker 2: Zealand has said that it may contribute to that. He'll

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Speaker 2: learn more about that later in the week when Kirs Starmer,

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Speaker 2: the British Prime Minister, visits, and he said Trump told

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Speaker 2: Macrome that Putin has quite in favor of the idea

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Speaker 2: as well the peacekeeping force. I mean, honestly. But it

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Speaker 2: was in the White House that the French President mccron

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Speaker 2: touched Trump on the arm unheard of, to correct him

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Speaker 2: over who spent what on the Ukrainian War.

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Speaker 3: He unfolded, I support the idea to have Ukraine first

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Speaker 3: being compensated because they are the one to have lose

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Speaker 3: a lot of the fellow citizen and being destroyed by

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Speaker 3: this attack. Second, all of those who paid for could

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Speaker 3: be compensated, but not by Ukraine, by Russia because they

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Speaker 3: was the one to aggress.

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Speaker 4: Again, just say you understand, Just say you understand. Europe

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Speaker 4: is loaning the money to Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: They get their money back now. In fact, to be frank,

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Speaker 3: we paid. We paid sixty percent of the total defaults

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Speaker 3: and it was who I like the US loans guarantee

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Speaker 3: grants and we provided real money. To be clear, if

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day the negotiation we will

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Speaker 3: have with Russia they're ready to give to give it

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Speaker 3: to us super it will be loan at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day and Russia will have paid for that.

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Speaker 4: If you believe that, it's okay with me.

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Speaker 2: But they get their money back without and now we do.

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Speaker 2: It's under the new legend. Meeting with Trump absolutely incredible,

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Speaker 2: but it was later in the press conference I would

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Speaker 2: say that Trump was totally oblivious to being corrected by

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Speaker 2: Macron over who paid for the war.

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Speaker 4: That's a very interesting and horrible situation, and that could

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Speaker 4: evolve into a Third World war. We're not going to

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Speaker 4: let that happen. Should have never started, but it did,

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Speaker 4: and what a mess, or a horrible, bloody mess. The

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Speaker 4: United States has put up far more aid for Ukraine

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Speaker 4: than any other nation, hundreds of billions of dollars. We've

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Speaker 4: spent more than three hundred billion, and Europe has spent

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Speaker 4: about one hundred one hundred billion. That's a big difference,

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Speaker 4: and at some point we should equalize.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable. So it's water of the ducks back with Trump.

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Speaker 2: But you'll be pleased to hear. And here comes the

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Speaker 2: Republican speaking. I'm on their internet list, mailing list. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And it said that told me this morning it was

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Speaker 2: don't let your invitation to Marri Lago expire. It said

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Speaker 2: that told me what I should wear as a VIP

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Speaker 2: to I go. He said, don't worry about the flight,

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Speaker 2: it's on me. Don't worry about your hotel, it's on me.

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Speaker 2: All you need to do is contribute whatever you can

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Speaker 2: to ensure your spot at the White House. And then

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Speaker 2: this afternoon, having got over that shock of going to

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Speaker 2: Marra Lago, I got this this afternoon. Buryer made a

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Speaker 2: big decision at Marra Lago last weekend, and consultation with

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Speaker 2: my trusted advisors like the Great Elon Musk, I made

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Speaker 2: the call to open up a few more highly selected

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Speaker 2: spots for cabinet level advisors, and the first one is

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Speaker 2: going to be you, how much do.

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Speaker 1: You have a job? How much are you paying them

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Speaker 1: to get emails like this? That's what I want to know.

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Speaker 2: Do you know why they bother?

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Speaker 1: Actually Connor sent them quite a funny message. He says.

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Speaker 1: It looks to me like President Mahon should be made

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Speaker 1: to resign if he's grabbing Trump's heart.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly the way, Andrew. There's a capital offense.

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Speaker 1: Now Lux's off to Vietnam. Talking about defense spending. Does

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Speaker 1: that include the plane?

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Speaker 2: Well, good point, because he is going on the Defense

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Speaker 2: force seven five seven. It was before he left on

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Speaker 2: the plane from Panuapai this morning that he was on

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Speaker 2: z B with the HOSK and talked about defense spending

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Speaker 2: and how it'll be a target in the May budget.

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Speaker 5: There'll be a very significant uplift and defense spending over

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Speaker 5: a period of time. I mean historically our defense and

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Speaker 5: just set has gone off and bought bits of ships

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Speaker 5: and boats and planes and stuff. What I've asked for

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Speaker 5: with new leadership is a proper strategy for the next

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Speaker 5: fifteen years of where do we want to build capability

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Speaker 5: in the defense forces, and therefore make sure that as

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Speaker 5: we tip money into it, that is actually good money

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Speaker 5: going into a good strategy.

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Speaker 2: A lot of what we've got to.

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Speaker 5: Do is make things much more interoperable with Australia, as

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Speaker 5: you've seen even over the course of this week.

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Speaker 2: Well that's right with the Chinese warships. But when you

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Speaker 2: listen to what lucks and saying, increasing spending to two

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Speaker 2: percent of GDP, that would virtually double where we are

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Speaker 2: at the moment to ten billion years.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: If you look at Australia for example, they spend two

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Speaker 2: point three percent of GDP P fifty six billion on defense,

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Speaker 2: go to the US three point four percent based old

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Speaker 2: Donald eight hundred and fifty billion bucks on defense.

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Speaker 1: So it's an interesting one. We had Nicola Willison last night.

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Speaker 1: She said that they will stagger it. She said, same thing,

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Speaker 1: massive interest, So stagger it over fifteen years exactly. It'd

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Speaker 1: be over fifteen years at least, because it's a huge

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Speaker 1: chunk of money and their operating a lance is what

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Speaker 1: two point three billion, so to add to add another

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Speaker 1: five just to defense, Yeah, no way, Barry, thank you

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Speaker 1: for that. Good to see you as always.

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Speaker 2: Nice to see you too.

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Speaker 1: Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent, off to Marra Lago by

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