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Speaker 1: Kiotra.

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Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and This is the Front Page, a

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Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. From takeovers

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Speaker 2: and sales to mergers and disputes, twenty twenty six is

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Speaker 2: lining up to be.

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Speaker 1: Quite the year for the media world.

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Speaker 2: We might just start seeing some of the biggest changes

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand media ownership in decades. Well that's according

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Speaker 2: to The Herald's media insider Shane Curry.

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Speaker 1: Last year, Carrey.

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Speaker 2: Predicted that at least one major media platform would close,

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Speaker 2: a very high profile TV broadcaster would leave their position,

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Speaker 2: and that an interesting new shareholder would emerge at enz

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Speaker 2: met all became true. But what has he foreseen As

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Speaker 2: he peers into his crystal ball ahead of this year?

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Speaker 2: He joins us now on the Front Page to talk

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Speaker 2: everything ratings, advertising, broadcasting and who will come out on

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Speaker 2: top come election time. First off, Shane, let's take a

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Speaker 2: look at your twenty twenty five predictions.

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Speaker 1: You actually got a fair fe right bad eyes, you

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Speaker 1: know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I surprised myself a little bit in terms of

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Speaker 3: just some of the predictions. I thought I'd get about

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Speaker 3: a quarter of them right, because a lot of them

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Speaker 3: were out there in terms of some of the ownership

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Speaker 3: predictions and so forth. But as it turned out, yeah,

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Speaker 3: almost up to eighty percent correct, which was chuffed about

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Speaker 3: and made the point that's slightly better than Scott Robertson's

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Speaker 3: all black records. No, I certainly, you know, it was

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Speaker 3: a year of big change and we've seen that in

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Speaker 3: the media industry of course over the last five years,

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Speaker 3: particularly since COVID it's disrupted the business models that and

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Speaker 3: you know a number of other global factors as well,

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Speaker 3: and so last year I think we saw a little

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Speaker 3: for the year ahead, I expect that to accelerate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and in terms of that, what are your predictions

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Speaker 2: in terms of that shuffle or musical chairs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got a big year ahead obviously on a

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Speaker 3: number of fronts. The election will be a framework for

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Speaker 3: not just potential new policies and what we might see

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Speaker 3: companies themselves are covering the election. We'll see a lot

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Speaker 3: of new talent, a lot of new platforms that emerge

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Speaker 3: interesting to see how they perform, and particularly as we

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Speaker 3: build up to an election later in the year. But

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Speaker 3: the other big factor is the improving economy, and I

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Speaker 3: suspect that that will absolutely help the media companies in

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Speaker 3: terms of their outlook, their confidence and investment and just

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Speaker 3: twelve months. And I think we'll see a lot more

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Speaker 3: confidence Chelsea in the way that they collaborate with each other,

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Speaker 3: but also around ownership changes and in my predictions for

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Speaker 3: the year ahead. I've said just about all of the

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Speaker 3: big six media companies are ripe for potential takeover or

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Speaker 3: new owners or new shareholders, and that you know, we

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Speaker 3: can go through some of those absolutely, but yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think they're all, you know, ripe, as I say, for acquisition.

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Speaker 1: Which is the ripest I think we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Sky TV Actually, you know, a lot of analysts and

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Speaker 3: a media commentator such as myself, we do see SkyTV

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Speaker 3: Brothers Discovery. They acquired that mid twenty twenty five for

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Speaker 3: of investor interest. It's publicly listed at the moment on

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Speaker 3: top of the list for a lot of potential new investors.

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Speaker 3: The one at the other end of the equation, but

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Speaker 3: equally right is TV and ZED.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: The government, the National Government has said no asset sales

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Speaker 3: the electorate and say, you know, asset sales for us

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Speaker 3: TV and Z will absolutely be amongst some of the contenders.

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Speaker 3: And there are a number of frameworks that could exist

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Speaker 3: One option is the Air New Zealand model, which of

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Speaker 3: private ownership come into that company.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course investors into New Zealand media companies.

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Speaker 1: You know, it did happen last year as well.

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Speaker 2: Between Jim Grennan's potential and zed me bed this year

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Speaker 2: you reckon and trade me as interest and stuff digital.

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Speaker 1: Out of the two, what do you see unfolding? First?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm probably a little less confident in those predictions that.

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Speaker 3: So Jim Greenan at the moment owns eighteen point five

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Speaker 3: he slowly acquired more and more shares. Now if he

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Speaker 3: invokes a lot of the Takeovers Panel kind of and

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Speaker 3: Takeover's code requirements. So there's a few more hurdles there

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Speaker 3: you know, From what I know of Jim Greenan, he

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Speaker 3: obviously owns our company. So it's been a very interesting

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Speaker 3: way a period of observing just what's unfolded in the

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Speaker 3: last twelve months here. I've got no inside knowledge in

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Speaker 3: terms of whether or not he will want to go

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Speaker 3: over that twenty percent, but what I do know of

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Speaker 3: him is obviously very clear about his intentions with media.

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Speaker 3: He's been very vocal with shareholders last year in terms

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Speaker 3: don't think he's sitting still. I don't think the board

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Speaker 3: So there's been improvements in the financial performance there already.

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Speaker 3: So both ended me and then on stuff Digital, which

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Speaker 3: of discussion points, as I say, slightly less confident on

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Speaker 3: those two in terms of where I see SkyTV TVNZ

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Speaker 2: Where I was going to say a big shout and

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Speaker 2: when I saw that in your list, So media Works

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Speaker 1: About it, it's got potential absolutely.

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Speaker 3: So media Works has split into two companies now in

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Speaker 3: Now both of those companies, both QMS and media Works

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Speaker 3: suspect that there will be maneuvers, particularly for QMS, the

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Speaker 3: And nine Australia, the big media company that once owned stuff,

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Speaker 4: Never going to run the organization focused on getting one

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Speaker 4: media organization. Our job is around reliable, comprehensive news, making

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Speaker 1: So our and z operational performance hit the headlines late

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Speaker 2: Salaries sared apparently, and the broadcast are admitted further savings

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Speaker 2: will need to be made. You reckon they'll cop intense

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Speaker 3: become clear in documents that were released under the Official

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Speaker 3: And that's because the tenures for the chair Jim Either

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Speaker 3: probably three new directors and a new including a new

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Speaker 3: and he is a very strong commercial radio background and

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Speaker 3: a very strong business background, and I suspect we'll see

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of aren Z, a major battle to look

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the Kings

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Speaker 2: of breakfast, Mike Hosking on Z B. You've now got

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Speaker 1: R and Z. How do you think ratings go because.

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Speaker 2: Mike dominates the mornings, right, you see those surveys number one,

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Speaker 1: How much of that can John take away?

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Speaker 3: Really that's a fascinating question, and it really will be

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Speaker 3: we face each day. I think probably, you know, I

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Speaker 3: an exciting part of the industry as well. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: Stuff.

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Speaker 3: They've all, you know, everyone's now converged and so you know,

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Speaker 3: look at you. You're performing a show, hosting a show

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Speaker 3: sold as predictions, well, who's to say. I do think

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Speaker 3: said to me today or yesterday actually, that they expect

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Speaker 3: to see Winston Peters to be the Prime Minister by

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Speaker 3: the end of the year. How's that for? That is

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Speaker 3: and the reason being that he will hold the cards.

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Speaker 1: He could be and he.

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Speaker 3: Could be the King maker, and he could then become

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Speaker 3: the King for receipt period under a coalition agreement by

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Speaker 3: all rank goodness me.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll hold you to that. I'm not putting any

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Speaker 2: money down though. That's thanks for joining us, Shane.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Jos.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You

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Speaker 2: produced by Jane Ye.

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